BESS's Secret LOOPHOLE (censorware vs. privacy & anonymity)

[Adam Shostack]

Mac, we've always been silly.  Its part of our charm.

Adam


On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:53:49PM -0500, Mac Norton wrote:
| Pot. Kettle. Chip. Shoulder.
| You boys are getting a little silly.
| MacN
| 
| On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Tim May wrote:
| 
| > On Wednesday, August 15, 2001, at 06:21 PM, Seth Finkelstein wrote:
| > 
| > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 08:17:02PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
| > >> At one point Seth was capable of sane arguments and discussions
| > >> without insults. This was, of course, many years ago, and now he's
| > >> just nutty and should not be taken particularly seriously.
| > >
| > > 	I'm sorry Declan, I just can't take the cypherpunks list
| > > seriously anymore. After you testified for Federal government
| > > prosecutors, helping to put members in jail - not once, but twice -
| > > and anyone still respected you, I just lost all ability to regard that
| > > zeitgeist as other than a joke.
| > >
| > 
| >  From what I know of the situations, based on journalistic reports (from 
| > reports _other_ than from Declan), Declan took the obvious and legal 
| > steps to limit his testimony to statements of the form:
| > 
| > "Yes, I am a reporter for "Wired News.""
| > 
| > "Yes, I wrote the story you are referring to."
| > 
| > He was subpoenaed to testify, he and/or his employer hired lawyers to 
| > deal with the subpoena and to seek ways to state only things like the 
| > above, and, so far as I have ever heard, he did not offer "helpful" 
| > suggestions or speculations.
| > 
| > By contrast, Jim Choate was visited by the FBI for one of the show 
| > trials and offered speculations that I (Tim) am a dangerous person with 
| > lots of guns and money. The court records show these depositions from 
| > Choate. No such malicious help came from Declan, at least none in court 
| > records.
| > 
| > Declan has been to my house several times. (Choate has never been to my 
| > house and will never be welcome.)
| > 
| > If he writes a story about me, or you, or anyone, and the court demands 
| > for evidentiary reasons that he confirm or deny that he authored a 
| > particular chunk of text, he would presumably do so. However, if FBI 
| > agents on a fishing expedition ask him for incriminating speculations, I 
| > assume he would tell them to leave.
| > 
| > As for you, you are not to be taken seriously by anyone, narcs or others.
| > 
| > 
| > --Tim May

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