Pleading the 5th

[Declan McCullagh]

The question is who establishes the rules that govern IP rights -- i.e.
list owner policies.

-Declan

On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 09:20:08AM -0800, Daniel J. Boone wrote:
> Inaccurate indeed.  List owner policies have nothing to do with it.  Jim's
> assertion, your mockery of it, and my mockery of your similar assertion back in
> 1997 all had to do with intellectual property rights, not list owner policies.
> 
> I am looking forward to hearing you explain that the assertion "you own your
> words" is not an assertion about intellectual property rights.  But I'm not
> holding my breath....
> 
> -- Daniel
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com>
> To: Daniel J. Boone <djb at gci.net>
> Cc: <cypherpunks at einstein.ssz.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 9:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Pleading the 5th
> 
> 
> > Cute, but inaccurate. I never have questioned the ability of list
> > owners to set their own list policies (I am a member of a number of
> > mailing lists with do-not-forward policies).
> >
> > Cypherpunks, on the other hand, is just a little different than a
> > private, invite-only mailing list that's run by one person for a specific
> > purpose on one server.
> >
> > -Declan
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 07, 2001 at 09:40:26AM -0800, Daniel J. Boone wrote:
> > > I find this hilarious coming from Declan, who once (WAAY back in 1997)
> closed
> > > one one of his previously open-subscription mailing lists because people
> were
> > > *gasp* forwarding messages from it to other lists.  His list policy was, if
> I
> > > recall, "you own your words, no retransmission without your permission" and
> he
> > > was outraged that some of his subscribers, specifically Hettinga, did not
> > > respect these vital intellectual property rights.
> > >
> > > Now when somebody else makes the same silly assertion he was making, he
> calls
> > > it silly.  I guess we all grow up eventually....
> > >
> > > -- Daniel
> > >
> > > Declan wrote:
> > >
> > > > The problem with Choate's argument is that (besides that it's silly),
> > > > he gives implied consent to redistribute by posting here. Also, as he
> claims
> > > > to know, CDR is by nature distributed, and each node can set its own
> > > > policy. Dont' like it? Don't participate.
> > >
> > > in response to Choate's:
> > >
> > > > > I also own the copyright on everything I post to Cypherpunks. If it
> gets
> > > > > printed without my permission (and I won't give it) in a newspaper or
> > > > > other COMMERCIAL venture it is copyright infringement. You're free to
> post
> > > > > excerpts. I believe ~200 lines is the maximum allowed under current
> > > > > copyright law.