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PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! ============================================================= TAKE THIS ENTIRE LETTER, WITH THE MODIFIED LIST OF NAMES, AND SAVE IT ON YOUR COMPUTER, SAVE IT ALSO ON A DISK JUST IN CASE YOU LOSE ANY DATA OR YOUR COMPUTER CRASHES. ===============DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES=============== To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ============================================================= Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume you and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. 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Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and add METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. ======================AVAILABLE REPORTS =================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. =========PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW ======= REPORT#1: The Insider's Guide To Advertising for Free On The Net Order Report #1 from: Wdp P.O.Box 1201 LITCHFIELD, CT 06759 USA ________________________________________________________ REPORT #2: The Insider's Guide To Sending Bulk Email On The Net Order Report # 2 from: Kimberley Healey P.O.Box 100-353 N.S.M.C. Auckland New Zealand 1333 __________________________________________________________ REPORT #3: Secret To Multilevel Marketing On The Net Order Report #3 from : G.C. 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THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. 4. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business! ============================================================= FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! ======================= TESTIMONIALS ====================== '' My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. 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There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big''. Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ============================================================= '' I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks''. Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ===================================================================== '' It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $ 20, 560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $ 362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet''. Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ============================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY. FOR ONLY $25 YOU WILL BE ON YOUR WAY. SO DO IT NOW AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ============================================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington, D.C.: wdp P.O. Box 1201 Litchfield, CT 06759 From BF at farc.org Sun Apr 1 10:24:05 2001 From: BF at farc.org (Blank Frank) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 09:24:05 -0800 Subject: AP is *not* the point Message-ID: <3AC76435.EBEE4EBB@farc.org> At 07:38 AM 4/1/01 +0200, Anonymous wrote: > >>Um, he's not *advocating*. He pointed out that such systems were >>inevitable. > >So he is new Galileo then. > Darwin, not Galileo. Darwin said, "offspring inherit traits from parents" and "some traits are more helpful than others", "ergo selection leads to adaptation". Darwin didn't *advocate* evolution, he said, it happens, its inevitable. >Shattering the geocentrism endangered only the theological dogma, >and he almost got barbecued. The church in question admitted wrongdoing >350 years after Galileo's death (in 1992). Maybe after a similar time we will eventually forgive the Catholic bastards. Until then, From sandfort at mindspring.com Sun Apr 1 11:17:56 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 11:17:56 -0700 Subject: AP is *not* the point In-Reply-To: <330d920b3055766a9689cca51320696c@mix2.hyperreal.pl> Message-ID: Fearless Leader wrote: > The mere intensity of state's handling of > Jim Bell suggests that there is something > genuine about AP, but what it is still > escapes me. I have to disagree. AP is simply not workable in the real world. It would be trivial to spoof, scam or sting it. The states over reacts for two reasons. (1) Paranoia--no matter how unlikely the threat, the bad guys are compelled by their own guilty fear to take it seriously. (2) To set an example--The Chinese have a saying, "To frighten a dragon, kill a chicken." Bell is no threat. He's a powerless big-talker. He's easy to squash, but servers as an example of how far these government idiots are willing to go. Remember, the government can only apply point force. The only way they can keep everyone in line is to co-opt the majority by assuming the guise of moral/legal superiority, and by intimidation with an occasional demonstration of ruthlessness. > ps. I want to remind everyone not to > miss the secret meeting in Washington, > DC, on April 13, 8 pm, at Pedro's. Actually, the REAL secret meeting is in San Francisco on the 13th at 7pm (http://danger-island.com/party/). Fearless Leader will personally preside over the meeting. Party favors will include small containers of ebola virus for use on der tag. S a n d y Cypherpunk Minister of Disinformation > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cypherpunks at lne.com [mailto:owner-cypherpunks at lne.com]On > Behalf Of Anonymous > Sent: 31 March, 2001 21:39 > To: cypherpunks at lne.com > Subject: Re: AP is *not* the point > > > >Um, he's not *advocating*. He pointed out that such systems were > >inevitable. > > So he is new Galileo then. > > Shattering the geocentrism endangered only the theological dogma, > and he almost got barbecued. The church in question admitted wrongdoing > 350 years after Galileo's death (in 1992). > > The mere intensity of state's handling of Jim Bell suggests > that there is something genuine about AP, but what it is still escapes me. > > On another hand, maybe I would doubt Galileo as well. > > Cypherpunk Movement Secretary > > ps. I want to remind everyone not to miss the secret meeting > in Washington, DC, on April 13, 8 pm, at Pedro's. > > (this message is intended only for Cypherpunk members) From k-elliott at wiu.edu Sun Apr 1 13:43:42 2001 From: k-elliott at wiu.edu (Kevin Elliott) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:43:42 -0700 Subject: U.S. Secret Service raids E-Gold currency exchanger In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.2.1.0.20010330201011.02143a70@mail.well.com> <20010330142128.B15803@cluebot.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010330201011.02143a70@mail.well.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010330203318.02126150@mail.well.com> Message-ID: At 21:22 -0800 on 3/31/01, Tim May wrote: >At 12:15 PM -0800 3/31/01, Kevin Elliott wrote: >>At 20:13 -0800 on 3/30/01, Tim May wrote: >>>What sort of "nastygrams" did your lawyers send? >>> >>>Article writers are free, in a free society, to pick the headlines >>>they wish. >> >>Tsk, tsk Tim. In a free society people are also free to send those >>writers letters warning them of inaccuracies in there article >>(including the headlines). AND the newsperson is well advised to >>correct such in things when they are in fact they are untrue. >>Failure to do so can and should result in a libel suit. Such is >>the way things should work in a free society... > >I don't care for your characterization of my views. Please correct >this immediately or face a lawsuit. Which views have I attributed to you? -- ____________________________________________________________________ volatile: Because every program deserves SOME interrupt code... Kevin "The Cubbie" Elliott ICQ#23758827 ____________________________________________________________________ From ravage at ssz.com Sun Apr 1 11:47:44 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 13:47:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Apr. 10 - Austin Cypherpunks Physical Meet Message-ID: Time: Apr. 10, 2001 Second Tuesday of each month 7:00 - 9:00 pm (or later) Location: Central Market HEB Cafe 38th and N. Lamar Weather permitting we meet in the un-covered tables. If it's inclimate but not overly cold we meet in the outside covered section. Otherwise look for us inside the buidling proper. Identification: Look for the group with the "Applied Cryptography" book. It will have a red cover and is about 2 in. thick. Contact Info: http://einstein.ssz.com/cdr/index.html#austincpunks ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From declan at well.com Sun Apr 1 11:19:07 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:19:07 -0400 Subject: "Educating" the Court about Cypherpunks Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: ; from tcmay@got.net on Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 09:04:39AM -0800 References: <200103311235.HAA03617@mclean.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: <20010401141907.B14860@cluebot.com> On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 09:04:39AM -0800, Tim May wrote: > The notion that Bell's defense will be "helped" if only the Court or > its various prosecuting and defending attorneys are given an > education in The Cypherpunk Way is just plain ludicrous. Sounds reasonable to me. Some things just can't be explained succinctly, and even if they are understood may be perceived to be objectionable. > Also, I don't recall Bell being charged on anything relating to his > AP ideas, even if his writings helped make a prosecution more likely. > The "interstate stalking" stuff doesn't seem to have _any_ contact > with the Cypherpunks list. So why would educating the Court and its > officers in Cypherpunks issues help? True, except for one point, and that was (what I recall) the conversation on cpunx over the CIA possible front in Bell's area. But that could have happened on many lists, and the "cypherpunk philosophy" -- to the extent there is a philosophy -- should not be particularly relevant here, it seems to me. > I probably should have said nothing to this journalist. If Declan is > forced to testify, beyond a very basic acknowledgement that he was > the author of the articles in question, I sure plan to refuse to ever > speak to any journalist again about anything which someone might > twist in front of a jury. "Hey, Declan, nice weather we're having, > eh?" I'll continue to be Declan's friend, presumably, but I just > won't talk to him about anything that may get extracted from him in > this or in any future star chamber prosecutions. The sad thing is, I agree with Tim. If I were in his position, I would likely feel the same way. -Declan From declan at well.com Sun Apr 1 11:25:56 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:25:56 -0400 Subject: AP is *not* the point In-Reply-To: <330d920b3055766a9689cca51320696c@mix2.hyperreal.pl>; from mix@mix2.hyperreal.pl on Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 07:38:41AM +0200 References: <330d920b3055766a9689cca51320696c@mix2.hyperreal.pl> Message-ID: <20010401142556.E14860@cluebot.com> On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 07:38:41AM +0200, Anonymous wrote: > The mere intensity of state's handling of Jim Bell suggests > that there is something genuine about AP, but what it is still escapes me. That would presume a sufficient amount of intelligence on the part of federal agents that -- since I first moved to DC in 1991 -- I have generally seen lacking. As others have pointed out, AP is hardly implementable at the moment, so your explanation doesn't quite work. -Declan From declan at well.com Sun Apr 1 11:28:59 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:28:59 -0400 Subject: Louis Freeh and False Alarms [RISKS] In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20010331180058.00c50270@flex.com>; from reeza@flex.com on Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 06:23:35PM +0500 References: <5.0.2.1.1.20010331173058.009f8380@idiom.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010331180058.00c50270@flex.com> Message-ID: <20010401142858.F14860@cluebot.com> My home has a security system. I wonder what would happen if I let, say, young relatives stay here and they triggered, say, five false alarms. Most likely outcome: A severe talking-to by the local constabulary, and many fines. Not, oh gosh, and back-slapping among comrade LErs. Like you said, more equal than others. It would be interesting to read up on the laws re: false alarms of Fairfax County. -Declan On Sat, Mar 31, 2001 at 06:23:35PM +0500, Reese wrote: > In response to AW, it's very simple. Some animals are not only more equal, > but more important than others. Gee, that redundantly repeats itself. > > Trivia file entry # 1: In the land of the brave, home of the Freeh, there > are motion detectors in the basement. Nice. Squeak squeak. > > At 05:33 PM 3/31/01 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: > >Obviously this calls for wiretaps on Freeh's phones and email and > >hidden cameras in his house to prevent future occurrences.... > > > > From [risks] Risks Digest 21.28 > >========================= > >Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 13:57:54 -0500 > >From: Graystreak > >Subject: Risks of self-induced false alarms > > > >http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38625-2001Mar7.html > > > >FBI Director Louis J. Freeh said he and his wife had been baffled by a > >series of false alarms from the security system in their Great Falls area > >home. Fairfax County police responded each time, but no suspects had been > >nabbed. > > > >It seems that two of his six sons, then ages 5 and 4, had been amusing > >themselves by making their 2-year-old brother run in circles in the basement > >to set off the motion detector. "They would sit and watch for the police to > >come," Freeh said. > > > >[AW notes: no discussion of why the motion detector was on in the basement > >while the children were home, nor why the police didn't adopt a "call before > >responding" policy after some number of false alarms.] > > > >================================================= > > > > > From aimee.farr at pobox.com Sun Apr 1 12:31:24 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:31:24 -0500 Subject: CCL (Crypto Carrying License) In-Reply-To: <20010401143402.G14860@cluebot.com> Message-ID: Declan said: > No, it's perfectly reasonable to be "worked up" about more government > regulations that restrict the actions of programmers and sysadmins and > such. Agree. I was just asking if there was any evidence that tech security licensing was the intent. > Professional organizations, eager to be the ABA cartel for tech, > occasionally propose such things. But the beauty and efficency of the > tech world is that you don't need to jump over government hurdles to > do your job. When I was in high school, I was a tech consultant to a > local Good Shepherd hospital -- good cause, and I did it for > free. Restricting that would be plain silly. Agree. And furthermore, you should erase all thoughts of this from their minds. Especially since many of the best consultants have dark pasts. Yes, I think you should be concerned. Crypto and "magickal knowledge" is a threat. Be afraid, be very afraid... > After all, the best person to decide whether a consultant is worth it > or not is the person paying their bill. Are you sure you haven't been > an ABA member for too long? :) Erroneous assumptions. I don't even like protection licenses in the states. I understand the reasons for them, and think these reasons are valid, but the "license" is no indication of ability. Indeed, some of the very best.... I'm most violently against any licensing scheme of the sort, and THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR. Ya'll keep dialing the wrong damn number with me. I'm starting to get miffed about it. Go beat your chest somewhere else, Declan. :) ~Aimee From declan at well.com Sun Apr 1 11:34:02 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:34:02 -0400 Subject: CCL (Crypto Carrying License) In-Reply-To: ; from aimee.farr@pobox.com on Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 12:15:49AM -0600 References: <20010401050810.99076.qmail@web13201.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010401143402.G14860@cluebot.com> No, it's perfectly reasonable to be "worked up" about more government regulations that restrict the actions of programmers and sysadmins and such. Professional organizations, eager to be the ABA cartel for tech, occasionally propose such things. But the beauty and efficency of the tech world is that you don't need to jump over government hurdles to do your job. When I was in high school, I was a tech consultant to a local Good Shepherd hospital -- good cause, and I did it for free. Restricting that would be plain silly. After all, the best person to decide whether a consultant is worth it or not is the person paying their bill. Are you sure you haven't been an ABA member for too long? :) -Declan On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 12:15:49AM -0600, Aimee Farr wrote: > > More cut-and-pasting from ukcrypto, Britain's last remaining form of > > parliamentary oversight. This week: the government's plans to require > > all security consultants to register with the authorities, and be > > strictly licensed afore passing on their forbidden, arcane wisdom. First > > the bad news: the bill in question, the PRIVATE SECURITY INDUSTRY BILL, > > is already at its Commons' Second Reading, and is set to be law in two > > months (barring those pesky elections). Now, the good news: at the > > reading, HO minister Charles "RIP" Clarke said it's mainly aimed at > > security guards and bouncers, not IT security consultants. Now, the bad > > news: he added the word "currently" - and, "currently", the Home Office > > says it *does* apply to computer consultants, but they won't get around > > to enforcing that until 2005. Now the good news: the main restriction on > > the license is that you mustn't have a serious criminal record. > > I've seen these snips today... > > In the US private security consultants have numerous licenses, variable by > state. ("C & G" licenses - guns, dogs, exec protect, PIs, etc.) Aren't ya'll > just getting worked up over a misnomer? Not to say it won't happen, indeed, > some interests could make a powerful argument for tech security licenses, > the same rationale would definitely apply. > > Background links: > http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/psib/psbinfo.htm#psbds > Break it: > http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200001/cmbills/067/en > /01067x--.htm > > > ~Aimee From freematt at coil.com Sun Apr 1 12:05:27 2001 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:05:27 -0400 Subject: Louis Freeh and False Alarms [RISKS] In-Reply-To: <20010401142858.F14860@cluebot.com> References: <5.0.2.1.1.20010331173058.009f8380@idiom.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20010331180058.00c50270@flex.com> <20010401142858.F14860@cluebot.com> Message-ID: Declan McCullagh wrote: >My home has a security system. I wonder what would happen if I let, >say, young relatives stay here and they triggered, say, five false >alarms. > >Most likely outcome: A severe talking-to by the local constabulary, >and many fines. Not, oh gosh, and back-slapping among comrade LErs. > >Like you said, more equal than others. > >It would be interesting to read up on the laws re: false alarms of >Fairfax County. > >-Declan The usual arrangement is that some jurisdictions will allow one free false alarm per specified time period and then start charging. The costs typically range from $25-50 on average. My home system doesn't ring into the police as I consider that akin to inviting vampires into your home. My system rings my pager when an intrusion is detected plus I have 24-7 IR video surveillance on my exterior and a couple choice locations interior. Regards, Matt- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, 2175 Bayfield Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From jya at pipeline.com Sun Apr 1 12:17:28 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 15:17:28 -0400 Subject: "Educating" the Court about Cypherpunks Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: <20010401141907.B14860@cluebot.com> References: <200103311235.HAA03617@mclean.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: Bear in mind that when I appeared before the grand jury, all the charges against Bell has been made, and no new ones have been lodged, AFAIK. As with CJ, there were public warnings made by the feds through disclosures of continuing grand jury investigations. This tactic has been described as "witness coercion," to assure that witnesses, and prospective witnesses who learn of the active GJ, are intimidated by what may be done to them if they fancy challenging the authorities. The GJ did ask me about AP, though Robb London did not. I stated the scheme was considered to be unworkable by persons more qualified to judge it than me. Still, a juror persisted, why did you publish it. I said for informational purposes about evolving technology. There were other questions from the jury, not London, about disclosing information on the Internet about public officials. London did question about my posting of the CIA query, in particular the address of the alleged CIA employee. And questioned Bell's postings on the same topic. My assumption is that it is those postings which I will be asked to testify about. But AP is always looming, and I think basebuilding for a future attack is in the works despite the recent overturn of the anti-abotionists' case. Officials believe they deserve more protection for their privileges than the citizenry. Beyond that, though, there remains the question of what else might be coming from the grand jury, whether to come in fact, or to come in the form of coercion to not fuck with Sam. Sandy's note on Sam's pressure pointing is apt -- whether Bell, Declan, me or the othjer witnesses yet unknown. And publicly naming a cypherpunk Bell called from jail is typical fear-mongering as with subpoenas. I've warned two reporters they should expect no privileged protection in the Bell case and its likely followup cases -- the stakes are too high for burgeoning anti-terrorism to allow legacy press perks get in the way of high-reward homeland defense. One reporter said no way would they come after me, and they allegedly have. The other reporter said not me, and they did. One reporter said I was too conspiratorial. And he has repeated that here. One thing I've learned from that simple-mindedness is be wary of disingenuous distancing of person's kindly convictions from his vicious job requirements to hang your ass in the public interest, er, to see that justice is done, er, balance viewpoints. Sure, I'm ranting, you see the feds got a wad of my self-incriminating material. And cpunk archives offer much an e-goldmine of cypherpunks movements. From declan at well.com Sun Apr 1 12:39:03 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 15:39:03 -0400 Subject: CCL (Crypto Carrying License) In-Reply-To: References: <20010401143402.G14860@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010401153332.02071b90@mail.well.com> At 02:31 PM 4/1/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: >Agree. I was just asking if there was any evidence that tech security >licensing was the intent. No, you also downplayed the perils of licensing, saying: > In the US private security consultants have numerous licenses, variable by > state. ("C & G" licenses - guns, dogs, exec protect, PIs, etc.) Aren't ya'll > just getting worked up over a misnomer? I don't think that one or two posts is "getting worked up" over anything, and in any case I'll reserve final judgment until I read more. >I'm most violently against any licensing scheme of the sort, and THIS ONE IN >PARTICULAR. Ya'll keep dialing the wrong damn number with me. I'm starting Which your original message did not say. >to get miffed about it. Go beat your chest somewhere else, Declan. :) Go take your men-are-beating-their-chests-and-I'm-a-woman-who-wants-civility comments elsewhere, Aimee. :) -Declan From aimee.farr at pobox.com Sun Apr 1 13:56:29 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:56:29 -0500 Subject: CCL (Crypto Carrying License) In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010401153332.02071b90@mail.well.com> Message-ID: KING CHEST-BEATER said: > At 02:31 PM 4/1/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > >Agree. I was just asking if there was any evidence that tech security > >licensing was the intent. > > No, you also downplayed the perils of licensing, saying: > > In the US private security consultants have numerous licenses, > variable by > > state. ("C & G" licenses - guns, dogs, exec protect, PIs, > etc.) Aren't ya'll > > just getting worked up over a misnomer? Loaded/provocative questions get better answers. I bet you know that, hotshot. > I don't think that one or two posts is "getting worked up" over anything, > and in any case I'll reserve final judgment until I read more. I was referring to snips landing in my inbox on this issue, ..."which my original message did not say." > >I'm most violently against any licensing scheme of the sort, and > THIS ONE IN > >PARTICULAR. Ya'll keep dialing the wrong damn number with me. > I'm starting > > Which your original message did not say. Declan, debating *peck!* with you is like...*peck!-peck!* death by *peck!* a dive-bombing Mockingbird. *peck!-peck!-peck!* Gets annoying, sometimes. *peck!-peck!-peck!* Really. *peck!* You just break the skin. *peck!* Come back as *peck!* something that bites. *peck!* It's cruel. > >to get miffed about it. Go beat your chest somewhere else, Declan. :) >:) > Go take your > men-are-beating-their-chests-and-I'm-a-woman-who-wants-civility comments > elsewhere, Aimee. :) Wrong number again. This time, you are dialing the wrong damn country code. Declan, curl up around my little finger... while there's still room. ~Aimee From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Sun Apr 1 15:06:59 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 17:06:59 -0500 Subject: Slashdot | TCP/IP Over HTTP Message-ID: <3AC7A683.8ABD5109@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/03/30/1416210.shtml -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From tcmay at got.net Sun Apr 1 17:22:07 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 17:22:07 -0700 Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20010401180908.B18849@cluebot.com> References: <20010401180908.B18849@cluebot.com> Message-ID: New generations to be unveiled every year on this day, I expect? --Tim At 6:09 PM -0400 4/1/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: >----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- > >From: Declan McCullagh >Subject: FC: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras >To: politech at politechbot.com >Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:07:24 -0400 >X-URL: Politech is at http://www.politechbot.com/ > > >http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=01/04/01/2155249 > >DOJ STEPS UP CHILD PORNOGRAPHY FIGHT >Proposal makes digital cameras "childsafe" > >April 1, 2001 >By Staff Writer > > WASHINGTON -- Citing the explosive growth in child pornography and > obscenity, the U.S. Department of Justice aims to rein in the > fast-growing digital camera industry. > > A DOJ project code-named "Indecent Images" plans to implant > technologies developed to automatically recognize hard-core Internet > sex images into the next generation of cameras. An II-compliant camera > will refuse to take illegal photographs or videos, and could even > quietly tip off law enforcement to illicit behavior. > > On Friday, a DOJ spokeswoman confirmed the existence of the II > project, and said that the remarkable number of child pornographers > now using digital cameras on the Internet underground represents a new > challenge to law enforcement that Congress should carefully consider. > > The spokeswoman declined to provide details, but one DOJ source said > the Office of Legislative Affairs has drafted legislation and plans to > send it to Capitol Hill next month. The Senate has previously voted to > condemn the menace of children and sex. > > "One we'd prosecute child pornographers who take rolls of film to the > corner fot-o-mat for developing," said the source, who spoke on > condition of anonymity. "But now when everything's digital, we can no > longer protect America's children. We need a new First Amendment for > the digital age." > > Child pornography appears to be a popular Internet hobby. An Altavista > search returns 25,999 pages found that "match your search criteria." A > Google search turns up far more child pornography: 425,000 hits. > > A spokesman for President Bush said the White House supports the II > plan, which is consistent with the 2000 Republican Party platform that > urged strenuous activity involving "obscenity and child pornography." > Bush said last year that: "It's important for us to explain to our > nation that life is important. It's not only life of babies, but it's > life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the > Internet." > > Critics said the II draft bill raises free speech concerns. > > An ACLU spokeswoman said that the II proposal would unreasonably > restrict legitimate art and photography, and that the technology to > recognize images as child pornography or obscenity is far from > perfect. The ACLU and the American Library Association filed suit > earlier this month to overturn the Children's Internet Protection Act, > which encourages libraries to use filtering software -- some of which > uses II-type technology. > > The bill would likely be sponsored in the Senate by Dianne Feinstein > (D-Calif.) and Judiciary chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), and in the > House by Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.). Hatch and Feinstein co-sponsored the > 1996 "morphed" child porn law that is currently the subject of a legal > challenge, and an aide said Feinstein viewed this as a logical > extension of using technology to thwart inappropriate views and > behavior. > > The DOJ proposal requires the Federal Communications Commission -- > which already regulates "indecent" broadcasts -- to police the digital > photo and video industry as well. Any manufacturer seeking a license > to sell such products in the U.S. after April 1, 2002 would have to > demonstrate that they were II-compatible to receive FCC approval under > agency rule 602P. > > Nikon and Canon, which sell digital cameras, could not immediately be > reached for comment. Kodak faxed a statement to reporters over the > weekend that said: "We never have approved of the use of our products > to record intercourse, missionary position or otherwise, with > children, and we look forward to working with law enforcement to meet > their concerns." > > The II technology plan, according to an outline provided by the DOJ > source, has two phases: II.1, which scans images using advanced neural > networks to recognize and delete illicit material. > > II.2, which would not be mandated until April 1, 2003, is far more > high-tech. Some observers believe it will spur development of this > kind of advanced artificial intelligence, giving U.S. tech firms a > badly-needed boost given the recent stock market downturn. > > The II draft says that "any variant" of digital still or video camera > must include a GPS device and a transmitter that is compatible with > U.S. pager networks. When a child pornographer takes an illegal photo, > the camera recognizes it and transmits an encrypted message containing > the image, the date, and the location to the local police -- who would > then raid the home and save the child from continued erotic > exploitation. > > The Family Research Council, which estimates it has been involved in > helping police make 83.5 percent of arrests related to child > pornography, applauded the II approach. "It's about time Congress did > something hard-core on this issue," said FRC spokesman and author > Martin Rimm. "The Internet should be more than a place where children > can have sex with dogs." > > The DOJ wants to encourage photo-video manufacturers to license > technology from companies such as Exotrope, a firm in New York state > that sells porn-recognition software. New York Governor George Pataki > has applauded Exotrope's "state-of-the-art technology and PC Magazine > gave it an "editor's choice" award. > > The FRC's Rimm, who conducted a highly-publicized Carnegie Mellon > University study into how pornography is marketed on the information > superhighway -- an updated version will soon be published in > Georgetown University's law review -- says he hopes Congress will act > swiftly. > > "My research shows 'paraphilic pornography' is on the rise," he said. > "Our research team has undertaken the first comprehensive study of > child pornography on the information superhighway, and let me tell > you: Perversion has gone digital, and we need to penetrate this > problem now." > > Compiled from staff and wire reports > >### > >[Note the date on the above report. Caveat lector, and all that. --Declan] > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list >You may redistribute this message freely if it remains intact. >To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html >This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >----- End forwarded message ----- -- Timothy C. May tcmay at got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns From fogstorm at mac.com Sun Apr 1 17:39:32 2001 From: fogstorm at mac.com (Fog Storm) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 17:39:32 -0700 Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20010401190103.A18780@ils.unc.edu> Message-ID: <200104020039.RAA00359@smtpout.mac.com> I would think the current administration would be more interested in some sort of faith based counseling. On Sunday, April 1, 2001, at 04:01 PM, Greg Newby wrote: > Don't get me wrong: it's not HAL9000. More like Eliza. > But before notifying the feds (at least in the model I saw), > you can be engaged in a Jungian-style discussion about early > family troubles in the hopes that you will repent. > From declan at well.com Sun Apr 1 15:07:24 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:07:24 -0400 Subject: FC: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras Message-ID: http://www.cluebot.com/article.pl?sid=01/04/01/2155249 DOJ STEPS UP CHILD PORNOGRAPHY FIGHT Proposal makes digital cameras "childsafe" April 1, 2001 By Staff Writer WASHINGTON -- Citing the explosive growth in child pornography and obscenity, the U.S. Department of Justice aims to rein in the fast-growing digital camera industry. A DOJ project code-named "Indecent Images" plans to implant technologies developed to automatically recognize hard-core Internet sex images into the next generation of cameras. An II-compliant camera will refuse to take illegal photographs or videos, and could even quietly tip off law enforcement to illicit behavior. On Friday, a DOJ spokeswoman confirmed the existence of the II project, and said that the remarkable number of child pornographers now using digital cameras on the Internet underground represents a new challenge to law enforcement that Congress should carefully consider. The spokeswoman declined to provide details, but one DOJ source said the Office of Legislative Affairs has drafted legislation and plans to send it to Capitol Hill next month. The Senate has previously voted to condemn the menace of children and sex. "One we'd prosecute child pornographers who take rolls of film to the corner fot-o-mat for developing," said the source, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "But now when everything's digital, we can no longer protect America's children. We need a new First Amendment for the digital age." Child pornography appears to be a popular Internet hobby. An Altavista search returns 25,999 pages found that "match your search criteria." A Google search turns up far more child pornography: 425,000 hits. A spokesman for President Bush said the White House supports the II plan, which is consistent with the 2000 Republican Party platform that urged strenuous activity involving "obscenity and child pornography." Bush said last year that: "It's important for us to explain to our nation that life is important. It's not only life of babies, but it's life of children living in, you know, the dark dungeons of the Internet." Critics said the II draft bill raises free speech concerns. An ACLU spokeswoman said that the II proposal would unreasonably restrict legitimate art and photography, and that the technology to recognize images as child pornography or obscenity is far from perfect. The ACLU and the American Library Association filed suit earlier this month to overturn the Children's Internet Protection Act, which encourages libraries to use filtering software -- some of which uses II-type technology. The bill would likely be sponsored in the Senate by Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Judiciary chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), and in the House by Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.). Hatch and Feinstein co-sponsored the 1996 "morphed" child porn law that is currently the subject of a legal challenge, and an aide said Feinstein viewed this as a logical extension of using technology to thwart inappropriate views and behavior. The DOJ proposal requires the Federal Communications Commission -- which already regulates "indecent" broadcasts -- to police the digital photo and video industry as well. Any manufacturer seeking a license to sell such products in the U.S. after April 1, 2002 would have to demonstrate that they were II-compatible to receive FCC approval under agency rule 602P. Nikon and Canon, which sell digital cameras, could not immediately be reached for comment. Kodak faxed a statement to reporters over the weekend that said: "We never have approved of the use of our products to record intercourse, missionary position or otherwise, with children, and we look forward to working with law enforcement to meet their concerns." The II technology plan, according to an outline provided by the DOJ source, has two phases: II.1, which scans images using advanced neural networks to recognize and delete illicit material. II.2, which would not be mandated until April 1, 2003, is far more high-tech. Some observers believe it will spur development of this kind of advanced artificial intelligence, giving U.S. tech firms a badly-needed boost given the recent stock market downturn. The II draft says that "any variant" of digital still or video camera must include a GPS device and a transmitter that is compatible with U.S. pager networks. When a child pornographer takes an illegal photo, the camera recognizes it and transmits an encrypted message containing the image, the date, and the location to the local police -- who would then raid the home and save the child from continued erotic exploitation. The Family Research Council, which estimates it has been involved in helping police make 83.5 percent of arrests related to child pornography, applauded the II approach. "It's about time Congress did something hard-core on this issue," said FRC spokesman and author Martin Rimm. "The Internet should be more than a place where children can have sex with dogs." The DOJ wants to encourage photo-video manufacturers to license technology from companies such as Exotrope, a firm in New York state that sells porn-recognition software. New York Governor George Pataki has applauded Exotrope's "state-of-the-art technology and PC Magazine gave it an "editor's choice" award. The FRC's Rimm, who conducted a highly-publicized Carnegie Mellon University study into how pornography is marketed on the information superhighway -- an updated version will soon be published in Georgetown University's law review -- says he hopes Congress will act swiftly. "My research shows 'paraphilic pornography' is on the rise," he said. "Our research team has undertaken the first comprehensive study of child pornography on the information superhighway, and let me tell you: Perversion has gone digital, and we need to penetrate this problem now." Compiled from staff and wire reports ### [Note the date on the above report. Caveat lector, and all that. --Declan] ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if it remains intact. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- End forwarded message ----- From declan at well.com Sun Apr 1 15:09:08 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 18:09:08 -0400 Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras Message-ID: <20010401180908.B18849@cluebot.com> ----- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh ----- From gbnewby at ils.unc.edu Sun Apr 1 16:01:03 2001 From: gbnewby at ils.unc.edu (Greg Newby) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 19:01:03 -0400 Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20010401180908.B18849@cluebot.com>; from declan@well.com on Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 06:09:08PM -0400 References: <20010401180908.B18849@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <20010401190103.A18780@ils.unc.edu> On Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 06:09:08PM -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: > II.2, which would not be mandated until April 1, 2003, is far more > high-tech. Some observers believe it will spur development of this > kind of advanced artificial intelligence, giving U.S. tech firms a > badly-needed boost given the recent stock market downturn. I have used one of these. Now that the NDC conditions have run out, I can talk about it. The coolest feature, which the article doesn't mention, is its offer of counseling to those about to take a "forbidden" photograph. The AI technology involved in spotting the photo is sufficiently sophisticated that the manufacturers thought they might as well add voice capabilities. Don't get me wrong: it's not HAL9000. More like Eliza. But before notifying the feds (at least in the model I saw), you can be engaged in a Jungian-style discussion about early family troubles in the hopes that you will repent. The major fight, which could keep this functionality out of the final production models, is whether the cameras could explore miscreant's feelings about breast feeding. Despite affadavits from the American Psychological Association (APA) and other well-known groups, various members of congress found the topic unsavory. -- Greg From declan at well.com Sun Apr 1 17:18:45 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2001 20:18:45 -0400 Subject: How the Justice Department screws with a reporter Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010401195936.02008270@mail.well.com> As you know, the Justice Department served me with a subpoena commanding me to be in Tacoma, Washington at 9:30 am on Monday, April 2, 2001: http://www.mccullagh.org/subpoena/ Because of the judge's schedule, Jim Bell's trial was pushed back one day, so now I need to be there Tuesday, April 3, 2001. Last Wednesday or Thursday, I booked a flight with the Justice Department's "Worldtravel" agency, which instructions attached to the subpoena require me to do. The flight left from Washington early Monday morning and arrived at the Sea-Tac airport at midday PT. I didn't want to risk a later flight because of possible weather delays, etc. When I called United a few minutes ago to make sure the flight was on time, I found out that Worldtravel had moved my flight to a Tuesday departure that would get into the city that afternoon, *after* the proceedings had begun. That could (understandably) piss off the judge -- I'd be violating a court order -- not to mention make me miss our motion Tuesday morning to quash the subpoena. Neither the Justice Department, the IRS, the U.S. Attorney's office, nor Worldtravel notified me about the change in my schedule. Worldtravel indicated they believe Jeff Gordon -- the IRS agent who is the chief investigator in this case -- is the guy who phoned them and moved my flight to Tuesday. That makes sense; he seems to be playing travel agent, based on his earlier mail to me: http://www.mccullagh.org/subpoena/gordon.030901.txt This really isn't a huge deal. If I showed up at the airport and couldn't get on (what I thought was) my flight, I likely would have been able to get on another one later in the day Monday. But at least one of the remaining flights is sold out, so it's not a sure thing. What this episode does show is that IRS agents and prosecutors like to screw with reporters, and a subpoena and travel arrangements are just another petty way of doing it. -Declan From sluggo at crosspaths.net Sun Apr 1 21:08:47 2001 From: sluggo at crosspaths.net (sluggo at crosspaths.net) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:08:47 Subject: Soccer Central Newsletter Vol. 1 No. 2 Message-ID: <200104012104812.SM00188@c565783-b> Still looking for that special tournament or camp for this summer? Check out our latest entries or the entire database!! 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Promote your event and/or organization FREE! http://www.soccercentral.com TOURNAMENTS Feature Tournament - Quad City Cup, Davenport, IA - July 6-8, 2001 Details - http://www.soccercentral.com/strikers/qccup.htm For the most recent additions, visit http://www.soccercentral.com/rectourns.asp CAMPS Featured Camp - MLS Camp, Davenport, IA - July 30 - Aug. 3 For the most recent additions, visit http://www.soccercentral.com/reccamps.asp LEAGUES Featured League - Mid-American Soccer League, Western Illinois/Eastern Iowa Details - http://www.soccercentral.com/mid-am/masldefault.htm For the most recent additions, visit http://www.soccercentral.com/recleagues.asp CLUBS Featured Club - Quad-City Strikers, U9-U18, Boys and/or Girls Teams, Western Illinois/Eastern Iowa Details - http://www.qcstrikers.org For the most recent additions, visit http://www.soccercentral.com/recclubs.asp TEAMS For the most recent additions, visit http://www.soccercentral.com/recteams.asp ===================================================================== If you received this newsletter by mistake or wish to discontinue, please use your "REPLY" button and put "REMOVE" in the "Subject Line". ===================================================================== From sluggo at crosspaths.net Sun Apr 1 21:08:52 2001 From: sluggo at crosspaths.net (sluggo at crosspaths.net) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 21:08:52 Subject: Soccer Central Newsletter Vol. 1 No. 2 Message-ID: <200104012104125.SM00188@c565783-b> Still looking for that special tournament or camp for this summer? 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Find you business today. Visit our website http://www.findmybusiness.com --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- He will never let you down, Trust in the Lord with all your heart... From freematt at coil.com Sun Apr 1 20:33:53 2001 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 23:33:53 -0400 Subject: Physicist Succumbs to Dangerfield Syndrome Message-ID: APRIL 01, 21:11 EST Physicist Succumbs to Dangerfield Syndrome By Mickey Spillane Affiliated Print Writer Cambridge, Mass (AP) - Dr. Phallus Halitosis-Baker today went on a verbal rampage injuring six and boring five others. Police were called to Dr. Halitosis-Baker's east side home after neighbors noticed him yelling at them that taxes were too low and complaining that they had too many NRA bumper stickers on their gas guzzling sport utility vehicles. Before being led away to the Orwell Clinic for the critically underestimated, Dr. Halitosis-Baker vowed to return to fight what he calls the oppression of American excellence in science and education. "It's not fair that I have to come to the United States so I can make good money." Dr. Halitosis-Baker commented from the police cruiser. An initial diagnosis points to a severe case of Dangerfield Syndrome, named after American comedian Rodney Dangerfield. The syndrome causes victims to resort to name calling and ad-hominem arguments when they're not accorded the respect they think they deserve. Dr. Phallus Halitosis-Baker's episode was apparently triggered when a neighbor called Dr. Phallus Halitosis-Baker, Dick and not Dr. Dick as he prefers. The prognosis looks bright however for Dr. Phallus Halitosis-Baker, especially after technicians cleaned his mouth out with soap and gave him a toothbrush. Regards, Matt- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, 2175 Bayfield Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From declan at well.com Sun Apr 1 21:00:50 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 00:00:50 -0400 Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20010401180908.B18849@cluebot.com>; from declan@well.com on Sun, Apr 01, 2001 at 06:09:08PM -0400 References: <20010401180908.B18849@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <20010402000050.A25206@cluebot.com> I note the mainstream media is picking up on this story: http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18028.html -Declan From aleph at alumni.caltech.edu Mon Apr 2 00:06:51 2001 From: aleph at alumni.caltech.edu (Colin A. Reed) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 00:06:51 -0700 Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20010402000050.A25206@cluebot.com> References: <20010401180908.B18849@cluebot.com> <20010401180908.B18849@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010402000651.00e0f508@alumni.caltech.edu> That's not mainstream media. That's a computer industry rumor site that's wrong most of the time. Besides, the founder just got fired and started a new site, so what few viewers they had got disgusted and left. It used to be funny without stelaing from others. At 12:00 AM 4/2/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: >I note the mainstream media is picking up on this story: >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18028.html > >-Declan > > -Colin From zippity at doo.dah Mon Apr 2 00:43:19 2001 From: zippity at doo.dah (Anonymous) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 00:43:19 -0700 Subject: Save Me From the Child Sex Predators Message-ID: <20010402074319.AAA25034+3970112@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us> Not content with denouncing Joe Cypherpunk as a "child sex predator and child pornographer," our favorite Network Vigilante tries to drum up a massive letter-writing campaign to keep his new ISP from TOSing his Bovine Effluvia. Note that everyone who has ever disagreed with Mr. Echols is by definition a "child sex predator and child pornographer" and winds up having any personal information Mr. Echols can scrape up on them placed on Mr. Echols Web site of "child sex predators and child pornographers." Any animosity directed at Mr. Echols by individuals thus libeled merely serves to reinforce Mr. Echols' delusions that he is continuously under attack by "child sex predators and child pornographers" for his fabulous work in protecting children from "child sex predators and child pornographers." Bear in mind most of the individuals on Mr. Echols' list are not alleged to have committed any misdeads, other than expressing their opinions on the various forums Mr. Echols and his dittoheads continually monitor for what he considers to be signs of "child sex predators and child pornographers." Mr. Echols, who supports himself by writing trashy fictionalized adaptations of famous boy sodomy cases, on the other hand, has a rap sheet as long as your arm, which includes convictions for breaking and entering, child abuse, making terrorist threats, and being a fugitive. Mr. Echols was once characterized by a US Governor as "a man with no respect for the law." Mr. Echols, who once commented on the phone that "kids have been getting fucked since the dawn of time. It's about time someone made some money off of it" has certainly demonstrated that one cannot only make money off kids getting fucked, but one can have ones very own Tax Exempt IRS 501(c)(3) organization from which to conduct such activities, thus including the taxpayer in the growing list of individuals whose fucking provides Mr. Echols with a career. So without further ago, we bring you the latest message from BAM, everyones favorite child advocacy organization. ----- Subject: Please: BAM Needs for You to Send an Email NOW!! From: "Mike Echols" To: BAMExDir at hotmail.com Dear Friends of Better A Millstone: As you know, early the morning of March 7th, Better A Millstone's IP host server in Santa Monica, California, was attacked by hackers using the IP host servers owned by the major pedophile domain "ivan.net" in Montreal, Canada, and shut down. On March 16th we located a new IP host server and over the next few days our multiple web pages went back up on Direclynx.net in Hot Springs, Arkansas. On Boy Chit-Chat at some child sex predators and pornographers have begun to impersonate me and members of Better A Millstone as making threats to kill them, threats to encourage illegal hacker attacks on their IP host servers, and even claiming that I have died of a heart attack. (I am alive and well!) And now these child sex predators and child pornographers against whom we battle to protect children have mounted a campaign to flood emails to the customers of Direclynx.net to pressure them to quit hosting BAM's web domain because these criminals claim that our web domain shadow-net.com "provides a forum for libel, defamation, the incitement of harassment, and the intimidation of law-abiding individuals into not exercising their First Amendment free speech rights." As you know, in truth Better A Millstone members lurk on the Internet to identify and locate child sex predators and child pornographers, many of whom we find to be criminally sexually assaulting children. We provide that information and intelligence freely to law enforcement agencies and the public via email, phone, and on our web pages, and in so doing these perverts are often intimidated to the extent that they do not feel safe conversing on the Internet with other perverts about their desires to have sex with children and, in some cases, their having sexually assaulted children and manufactured child pornography. With the major Internet chat board these sick individuals normally use temporarily shut down (i.e., Boy Chat at ), these perverts are now communicating on the board Boy Chit-Chat at , Boy Talk Net at , the Danish Pedophile Association at , and the temporary board for Girl Chat (the regular URL is ) which is in Russia at . Would you please write a brief email to the President and Technical Director of Direclynx.net thanking them for hosting BAM's web site for free and urging them to continue to do for the sake of the children in spite of the clamor by the child sex predators and child pornographers? Their names, titles, and email addresses are: Mr. Larry Womack, President Mr. Ben VanWagner, Technical Director Thank you very, very much! Very truly yours, Mike Echols, Founder & Executive Director of Better A Millstone, Inc. >>>>>>The Internet Eyes & Ears for Law Enforcement<<<<<< 484-B Washington St., #220, Monterey, California 93940 USA BAM is an I.R.S. 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From George at Orwellian.Org Sun Apr 1 23:48:37 2001 From: George at Orwellian.Org (George at Orwellian.Org) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 02:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Subject: War on CopyRight violators Message-ID: <200104020648.CAA22898@www4.aa.psiweb.com> http://interactive.wsj.com/articles/SB986164716595422714.htm # # April 2, 2001 # # Microsoft Urges Global Attack # Against Piracy of Software # #[snip] # # To combat such piracy, Microsoft recently entered into a formal # partnership with the U.S. Customs Service to exchange information # on intellectual-property crimes around the world. The agency # has similar partnerships with other companies and trade # associations, including Underwriters Laboratories and the Motion # Picture Association of America. # # The partnership is a formalized cooperation process where # information is exchanged regularly, according to Customs spokesman # Dennis Murphy. "These partnership agreements have become an # effective way for us to get better information and do a better # enforcement job, as well as a way for the company to get a more # effective means to police their copyrights," Mr. Murphy said. # # Microsoft also has aggressively recruited its own security force # of former government agents led by Richard LaMagna, a 27-year # veteran of the Drug Enforcement Administration who speaks # Cantonese, Mandarin, French and Thai. During the past six months, # Microsoft officials say, the company has taken legal action # against 47,000 dubious or illegal postings on the Internet # offering its products. # # The Customs Service, through its network of attaches around the # world, helps Microsoft and other companies work with foreign # police agencies. In conjunction with the Federal Bureau of # Investigation, the agency last year inaugurated a new Intellectual # Property Rights Center in Washington to serve as a command center # for operations against copyright violators. # # The stepped-up antipiracy efforts reflect new concern about an # old problem for software makers. "As we've seen organized criminal # enterprises focusing on counterfeiting and taking it to the # Internet, it is becoming an even more important problem for the # industry and the company," Microsoft Deputy General Counsel Brad # Smith said. # # Counterfeiters, many in Asia, have recently shifted distribution # networks onto the Web, which provides a host of benefits, # including anonymity. # # In addition to Latin America, Microsoft says recent seizures # have taken place in Hong Kong, Macau, Malaysia, the Philippines, # the People's Republic of China, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, # the United Kingdom, Romania, Hungary, Germany, Poland, Canada # and the U.S. From sethf at MIT.EDU Sun Apr 1 23:52:15 2001 From: sethf at MIT.EDU (Seth Finkelstein) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 02:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions Message-ID: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> Tim May wrote: > I probably should have said nothing to this journalist. If Declan is > forced to testify, beyond a very basic acknowledgement that he was > the author of the articles in question, I sure plan to refuse to ever > speak to any journalist again about anything which someone might > twist in front of a jury. "Hey, Declan, nice weather we're having, > eh?" I'll continue to be Declan's friend, presumably, but I just > won't talk to him about anything that may get extracted from him in > this or in any future star chamber prosecutions. I may regret this - but what's new here? Declan already testified and provided quite a bit of evidence in the Carl Johnson trial: http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=7285 You know this. That was two years ago. Why in the world does this current testimony count, but not the last time Declan did that? I'm probably going to be deeply sorry for this, but the following question has been bothering me for a while: Why in the world does anyone on this list trust Declan McCullagh? If you believe that the government is planning some sort of repression, why ever say a single word to a person who will likely be a key prosecution witness at your trial? At some level, I don't get it. Yes, Declan is sociable and gives a good dinner party and chants the correct rants. Is that all that matters? Testifying for the government in criminal prosecutions is considered just a minor character flaw in such an ideologically lovable fellow-soul? I'm not a lawyer, but this is my view of the court issues in this case: Declan's authorship of the articles is not in dispute. The prosecution wishes to use them as evidence. In order for them to do so, they have to put Declan on the stand, and he has to testify not that he authored them, but under penalty of perjury, that they are accurate. Now, the prosecution would like nothing better for Declan to say "Yes, they're true so help me God, good-bye!". Star chamber??? The problem is the exact opposite. The US legal system allows the accused to challenge evidence against him. The defense attorney is going to want to impeach Declan's credibility (this is not hard to do :-)). He'll likely get up and say something along the lines of 'Mr. McCullagh, you're a sensationalist journo-monger, aren't you? You provoked my client into outbursts of meaningless rhetoric, which you then hyped-up to peddle your papers, didn't you?" (not in quite those words, of course) This is a fact: Declan's motion is mainly about how he doesn't want to be cross-examined by the DEFENSE. Not the prosecution, do you get it, the DEFENSE: "The prosecutor has informed counsel for McCullagh that McCullagh will be asked only to verify the accuracy of statements by Bell that are included in the Articles. Bell's counsel, however, has made clear that cross-examination will not be limited to published information, and Bell might seek testimony regarding a variety of areas that Bell thinks will be helpful to his defense." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ... "Requiring McCullagh to testify, even if it is very limited on direct examination, creates an impermissible burden by necessarily exposing McCullagh to the risk of an intrusive cross-examination that will interfere with McCullagh's current and future newsgathering." I'll say it again, because of where I'm writing: Declan's motion makes very clear that his fear is the cross-examination, which stems from the Sixth Amendement right of an accused to confront witnesses. This couldn't be further from a police state or Star Chamber. A key request in Declan's motion is essentially that the prosecution be given all the evidence it wants, but the defense be hamstrung trying to impeach the credibility of that evidence. Yet no-one who might, ah, be strongly affected by such a tactic in the future, seems to be going through the roof about it. There's no screaming he's in bed with the Fed, he's a stool-pigeon, he's a collaborator, etc. etc. Granted, there's some unhappiness. But look, he's moaning and groaning and minting reputation-capital about the basic fact that he's being a witness for the prosecution in a criminal trial! (again!) Once more, at some level, I don't get it: 1) Why now? Why didn't you stop talking after the Carl Johnson trial? 2) In general, why does anyone trust him given all I've outlined above? My prediction is that Declan will go testify, write some martyrish articles about the inhumanity of it all, and then everything will reset to be repeated in the next criminal trial where he's a prosecution witness. I should note, in case this message finds its way into some evidence presentation, that whether Declan testifies or not right now will make no difference in my estimation of him and as to whether I'd advise anyone to "cooperate with his newsgathering efforts because he is trustworthy and independent". My own views were formed long before this particular case, and based on seeing how callously he treated the legal risks of myself and other programmers (but that's another story). __ Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf at mit.edu http://sethf.com From declan at well.com Mon Apr 2 02:40:31 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 05:40:31 -0400 Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010402000651.00e0f508@alumni.caltech.edu> References: <20010402000050.A25206@cluebot.com> <20010401180908.B18849@cluebot.com> <20010401180908.B18849@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010402054000.00a69ec0@mail.well.com> Okay, okay, I was exaggerating. The Register is actually in on the joke, and reprinted the article, not stole it. -Declan At 12:06 AM 4/2/01 -0700, Colin A. Reed wrote: >That's not mainstream media. That's a computer industry rumor site that's >wrong most of the time. Besides, the founder just got fired and started a >new site, so what few viewers they had got disgusted and left. It used to >be funny without stelaing from others. > >At 12:00 AM 4/2/2001 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: > >I note the mainstream media is picking up on this story: > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18028.html > > > >-Declan > > > > > > > -Colin From ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com Mon Apr 2 05:27:41 2001 From: ravage at EINSTEIN.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 07:27:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: your mail In-Reply-To: <3AC85916.8123B360@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Ken Brown wrote: > You missed the main point. It's not that they can't tell you are there > from the picture, it is that they can't tell that you had any particular > association with the other guy. If you meet out by the 3rd oak from the Sorry, but I didn't miss anything. You're being naive about traffic analysis. Not if they have video. 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Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 1st level--your 6 members with $5 ($5 x 6).......................$30 2nd level--6 members from those 6 ($5 x 36)...................$180 3rd level--6 members from those 36 ($5 x 216)............ $1,080 4th level--6 members from those 216 ($5 x 1,296)........ $6,480 5th level-6 members from those 1,296 ($5 x 7,776)... .$38,880 ................................................................. ...................$46,650 __________________________________________________________________ _______ Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 6 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Many people will get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! 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Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about this program: 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE! 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST ANYTHING TO SHIP! 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE! 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE WORLD! 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR INITIAL $25 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT! ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S ******* This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, IL. I am a cost accountant with a major US Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Sincerely yours, Pam Hedland Halmstad, Sweden Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program, ..11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! Mohamed, Cairo, Egypt This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Sam Lee Suva, Fiji Islands ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM! NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS ______________________________________________________________ PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) 1-(800)827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business tax requirements. Your earnings and results are highly dependent on your activities and advertising. This letter constitutes no guarantees stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this letter constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is now void. Any testimonials or amounts of earnings listed in this letter may be factual or non-verifiable. If you have any question of the legality of this letter contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in Washington DC. __________________________________________________________________ _______ From emc at artifact.psychedelic.net Mon Apr 2 08:56:27 2001 From: emc at artifact.psychedelic.net (Eric Cordian) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 08:56:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Save Me From the Child Sex Predators In-Reply-To: <20010402074319.AAA25034+3970112@timber20.timberland.lib.wa.us> from "Anonymous" at Apr 02, 2001 12:43:19 AM Message-ID: <200104021556.f32FuRF09025@artifact.psychedelic.net> Anonymous writes: > Note that everyone who has ever disagreed with Mr. Echols is by > definition a "child sex predator and child pornographer" and winds up > having any personal information Mr. Echols can scrape up on them placed > on Mr. Echols Web site of "child sex predators and child pornographers." Ah yes, good ol' Mike Echols. A person so low that even rabble-rousers like Ms. Anne Cox of CPAC refuse to mention his name without spitting. The feds are very happy that Echols is in business, of course, as long as he continues to direct his harrassment efforts at people critical of the governments anti-porn and censorship agenda. They'll do anything to help him, particularly through quasi-governmental organizations like NCMEC, as long as they keep their plausible deniability intact should he go too far. A pest with friends in high places, one might say. > Any animosity directed at Mr. Echols by individuals thus libeled merely > serves to reinforce Mr. Echols' delusions that he is continuously under > attack by "child sex predators and child pornographers" for his fabulous > work in protecting children from "child sex predators and child > pornographers." To a hammer, everything looks like a nail. To a "child-saver," everything looks like a pedophile. One day, not so long ago, I flamed some member of the frothing radical feminist man-haters contingent, who wanted to shred the Constitution, and the next day, I was rewarded with my own entry on Echol's page, inviting people to mail in my personal information so it could be posted. Later, I engaged arch-kook Noreen Gosch on a CNN IRC server, from a shell box in Salt Lake City, and Echols happily added "Lives in Salt Lake City" to my entry. Noreen is a fine woman who thinks that the International Pedophile Conspiracy is run under the CIA's MK-ULTRA program, and uses Satanic Ritual Abuse to produce multiple personalities in their secret child operatives. Of course, it's all run by Michael Aquino, who has had his own problems with the Echols and Goschs of the world. The Animal Emancipations folks have a very amusing Echols web page of their own, with audio files of threats he left on their answering machines. Yes, Echols not only does pedophiles, he does animal rights activists too. >From a Cypherpunkish point of view, I suppose we should mirror Echols all over the place, and build him his own Eternity Server, should the BoyChat folks succeed in making him ISPless. >From a practical point of view, Echols is likely to become a lot more dangerous, now that we have Ashcroft in office, and the government is about to embark on another Ed Meese-style "porn causes all crime" campaign with the help of its conservative fellow travellers. It would be highly amusing if he managed to mainstream himself, and by the second Shrub term, had gotten himself installed as our nations first Pedophile Czar. -- Eric Michael Cordian 0+ O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law" From jawadnas at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 02:05:29 2001 From: jawadnas at hotmail.com (jawad nasir) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 09:05:29 -0000 Subject: Anonymiser Message-ID: if u wanna surf anonymously then go to www.geocities.com/jd420n/privacy.html _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. From gbnewby at ils.unc.edu Mon Apr 2 08:01:19 2001 From: gbnewby at ils.unc.edu (Greg Newby) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:01:19 -0400 Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions In-Reply-To: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu>; from sethf@MIT.EDU on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 02:52:15AM -0400 References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 02:52:15AM -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > I'm probably going to be deeply sorry for this, but the > following question has been bothering me for a while: > > Why in the world does anyone on this list trust Declan McCullagh? Your argument doesn't do much for me, Seth. The problem is, what you say of Declan could be true of ANYONE you talk to, journalist or not, and ANYONE on mailing lists or other forums where you send your thoughts. The advantage of talking to Declan is that maybe, possibly, some "freedom of the press" issues will let him avoid spilling everything. In that case, you'd need to trust him to keep your best interests. For non-press, you'd still need to wonder whose interests they have at heart, but without the (minimal) protection offered by a member of the press. More importantly, a member of the press isn't going to get a lot of inside scoops if he develops a reputation as a turncoat. This, to me, is the crux: It's in any journalist's interest to be trustworthy. In the context of cypherpunks activity, being trustworthy means not playing into the hands of over-zealous law enforcement techniques. After all, the DATA are there (that is, the Web pages, mailing list postings, news articles, etc.). All the Feds are looking for, in this case, is someone with credentials a judge will listen to. That's my logic, anyway. Personally, on what I've read from Declan, I'd trust him more than 99% of other journalists who write about technological issues. This is based on technical understanding, as well as what I consider to be a decent track record of standing up against authority. -- Greg From astewart77 at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 11:10:49 2001 From: astewart77 at hotmail.com (astewart77 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 11:10:49 Subject: What you have been waiting for Message-ID: <12.215162.103800@mailer1> WORK AT HOME USING YOUR COMPUTER!!! _________________________________________________________________ Dear Friend, You can earn $46,000 or more in next the 90 days sending e-mail. Seem impossible? Read on for details (no, there is no "catch")... _________________________________________________________________ "AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV" Thank you for your time and Interest. This is the letter you've been reading about in the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of the program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are, absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the program. This has helped to show people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way to make some extra money at home. The results of this show has been truly remarkable. So many people are participating that those involved are doing, much better than ever before. Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, its been very exciting to be a part of lately. You will understand once you experience it. "HERE IT IS BELOW" _________________________________________________________________________ *** Print This Now For Future Reference *** The following income opportunity is one you may be interested in taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $46,000 in less than 90 days! Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams will come true. This multi-level e-mail order marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME. Email is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!!! The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of this action!!! MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability. It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-level methods by the mid to late 1990's. This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the 3,500,000 millionaires in the WORLD, 20% ( 700,000) made their fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, statistics show that over 100 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald Trump (A MULTI-BILLIONAIRE, ONE OF THE WEALTHIEST MEN IN THE WORLD) made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good network marketing company and get to work. The audience started to hoot and boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!" With network marketing you have two sources of income. Direct commissions from sales you make yourself and commissions from sales made by people you introduce to the business. Residual income is the secret of the wealthy. It means investing time or money once and getting paid again and again and again. In network marketing, it also means getting paid for the work of others. This program is currently being utilized in more than 50 different countries across the world. The enclosed INF0RMATION is something I almost let slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. My name is Johnathon Rourke. Two years ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and my position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen financial problems. I owed my family, friends and creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something significant happened in my life and I am writing to share the experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!! In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for INF0RMATION on various business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start, without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the US Post Office (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." Initially I sent out 100,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any money for printing to send out the program, and because all of my orders are fulfilled via e-mail, the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me. In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $46,000 in 90 days was done. By January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $46,000 GOAL." Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 100,000, I received $42,000 with more coming in every day. I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please take time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $46,000 or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider this a sign. I DID! Sincerely, Johnathon Rourke ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, could not have been created by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been with us since 1945. I don't have to tell you what happened to the unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those who never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that. You have just received INF0RMATION that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than you have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS! I have retired from the program after sending out over 1,600,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this and several other programs here and over seas. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more...and your name will be on everyone of them! Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, INF0RMATION, materials and opportunity to become financially independent, IT IS UP TO YOU NOW! "THINK ABOUT IT" Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. IT WORKS! Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ INSTRUCTIONS: This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $46,000 or more in the next 90 days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money making opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Because of the global nature of the internet, you will be able to recruit new multi-level business partners from all over the world, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personal selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere. This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 5 reports shown on the list below(you can't sell them if you don't order them). a. For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS! b. When you place your order, make sure you order each of the five reports. You will need all five reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. c. Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the five reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "g" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the five reports, take this advertisement and REM0VE the name and address under REPORT #5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $46,000! Also, change the name of the company, the address, and the REM0VE e-mail address on the top of this document to your own. c. Move the name and address under REPORT #4 down to REPORT #5. d. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. f. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2. g. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position. Please make sure you copy every name and address ACCURATELY! 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion of this letter. Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $25). You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE! To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing INF0RMATION which includes how to send bulk e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much, much more. In addition you will be provided with INF0RMATION on Internet Marketing Clubs such as INTERNET MARKETING RESOURCES(IMR): This is one the premiere internet marketing clubs on the INTERNET. This club provides a forum where internet marketers from all over the world can exchange ideas and secrets on Internet Marketing. In addition, members of this club are provided free internet marketing tools and services for the Do-Yourself-Internet-Marketer. They will provide you with free bulk e-mail software and up to 1,000,000 fresh e-mail addresses each week. This club will provide you with hundreds of free resources which include: How to obtain free web sites, how to obtain top rankings in search engines for your web-site, how to send bulk e-mail into AOL and CompuServe, how to market your products on newsgroups, free classified ads, electronic malls, bulletin boards, banner ads and much more. There are two primary methods of building your downline: METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.3% response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.3% response, that is only 6 orders for REPORT #1. Those 6 people respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 12,000. Out of those 0.3%, 36 people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 36 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 72,000. The 0.3% response to that is 216 orders for REPORT #3. Those 216 send out 2,000 programs each for a 432,000 total. The 0.3% response to that is 1,296 orders for REPORT #4. Those 1,296 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,592,000 total. The 0.3% response to that is 7,776 orders for REPORT #5. That's 7,776 $5 bills for you, CASH!!! Your total income in this example is$30 + $180 + $1,080+ $6,480 + $38,880 for a total of $46,650!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,994 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is practically nothing. You obviously already have an internet connection and e-mail is FREE!!! REPORT #2 and #5 will show you the best methods for bulk emailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists and show you how to send out 1,000,000 e-mails for free. METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 6 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 6 downline members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 1st level--your 6 members with $5 ($5 x 6).......................$30 2nd level--6 members from those 6 ($5 x 36)...................$180 3rd level--6 members from those 36 ($5 x 216)............ $1,080 4th level--6 members from those 216 ($5 x 1,296)........ $6,480 5th level-6 members from those 1,296 ($5 x 7,776)... .$38,880 .....................................................................................$46,650 _________________________________________________________________________ Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 6 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Many people will get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! _________________________________________________________________________ AVAILABLE REPORTS _________________________________________________________________________ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** Notes: ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (US CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: ______________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: Rick stewart 275 Great oaks trail, wadsworth,OH 44281 ______________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Charity Putney 800 W. Sheridan Rd. Lansing, MI 48906 __________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: Ferrall Burgett 669 Hwy. 28 Norwalk, IA 50211 ______________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Don Trumble 937 Woodacre Dr. Boulder City, NV 89005 ______________________________________________________ REPORT #5 "How to SEND 1,000,000 e-mails for FREE" ORDER REPORT #5 FROM: Charles Akers 3145 E. Flamingo Rd. Ste. 1049 Las Vegas, NV 89121 ______________________________________________________ There currently more than 175,000,000 people on-line worldwide! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the five reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES ******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. 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If you meet out by the 3rd oak from the top of the wall in a Maine hayfield, it is obvious you met by arrangement (unless of course you both live i Maine and are in the habit of talking country walks). But if you are both on camera at the same football game it shows nothing but that you are both watching football. You walk in, buy your ticket, stay for the whole game and walk out and have done nothing out of the ordinary. Railway station even more so. Anyone and everyone can have perfectly legitimate reasons to go there. So you are on the photos? So what? Jim Choate wrote: > > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Jim Choate wrote: > > > Bus stations, train stations, airports, etc. are the WORST place to meet > > in a 'high technology' society. 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Biacco Network Administrator/Engineer thelittleprince at asteroid-b612.org Intergrafix Internet Services "Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today" http://www.asteroid-b612.org http://www.intergrafix.net .-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-._.-. On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Richard Levitte wrote: > The third beta release of OpenSSL 0.9.6a is now available from the > OpenSSL FTP site . > > OpenSSL 0.9.6a is a bug-fix release of version 0.9.6, and currently > contains 52 documented changes. Among others, this release should build > on all Windows platforms, which 0.9.6 failed to do. Just as for version > 0.9.6, this one comes in two variants, one containing the now well-known > ENGINE code and one that doesn't. The tar files are: > > openssl-0.9.6a-beta3.tar.gz > openssl-engine-0.9.6a-beta3.tar.gz > > The news section for 0.9.6a gives the following: > > o Security fix: change behavior of OpenSSL to avoid using > environment variables when running as root. > o Security fix: check the result of RSA-CRT to reduce the > possibility of deducing the private key from an incorrectly > calculated signature. > o Security fix: prevent Bleichenbacher's DSA attack. > o Security fix: Zero the premaster secret after deriving the > master secret in DH ciphersuites. > o Reimplement SSL_peek(), which had various problems. > o Compatibility fix: the function des_encrypt() renamed to > des_encrypt1() to avoid clashes with some Unixen libc. > o Bug fixes for Win32, HP/UX and Irix. > o Bug fixes in BIGNUM, SSL, PKCS#7, PKCS#12, X.509, CONF and > memory checking routines. > o Bug fixes for RSA operations in threaded enviroments. > o Bug fixes in misc. openssl applications. > o Remove a few potential memory leaks. > o Add tighter checks of BIGNUM routines. > o Shared library support has been reworked for generality. > o More documentation. > o New function BN_rand_range(). > o Add "-rand" option to openssl s_client and s_server. > > The next (hopefully real) release is scheduled for Tuesday 2001-04-03. 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To change something in country▓s life it▓s necessary to have higher education. But higher education needs big money. You are a person who has already got a good result in this world. I have honour to ask You to help me and my country of course. Maybe You will have a desive to make a contribution in the developing of this world. It will be Great! So I am a citizen of the Earth and You are also and if you want you can do a good things in this life!! Sincerely yours Yuzefovich Artem I▓m looking forward for your answer. My E-mail: nacia at ukr.net // Y U Z E F O V I C H A R T E M // U K R A I N E// From jchoate at dev.tivoli.com Mon Apr 2 11:37:55 2001 From: jchoate at dev.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 13:37:55 -0500 Subject: Slashdot | Getting Tech Law Info Past Filters The Eezy Way Message-ID: <3AC8C703.B58DEBF3@dev.tivoli.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/02/151200.shtml -- The Laws of Serendipity: 1. In order to discover anything, you must be looking for something. 2. If you wish to make an improved product, you must first be engaged in making an inferior one. Tivoli Certification Group, OSCT James Choate jchoate at tivoli.com Senior Engineer 512-436-1062 From bear at sonic.net Mon Apr 2 14:17:54 2001 From: bear at sonic.net (Ray Dillinger) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 14:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: <20010402000050.A25206@cluebot.com> Message-ID: This is an April Fool, right? Even if the tech existed, it would require substantial processing power and there's no way they could get it into cameras by... um, by April First ... Bear "Remember, Remember The fifth of november The gunpowder Treason and Plot. I see no reason The gunpowder treason should ever be forgot..." Rhyme taught to twenty-second century british children, just before detonating the charge under an effigy of a "Parliament Building"... --Time traveler's guide to seasonal celebrations. On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: >I note the mainstream media is picking up on this story: >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18028.html > >-Declan > From jchoate at dev.tivoli.com Mon Apr 2 13:41:38 2001 From: jchoate at dev.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 15:41:38 -0500 Subject: Slashdot | The DMCA Vs. Small Developers Message-ID: <3AC8E402.49F00F5F@dev.tivoli.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/02/1915200.shtml -- The Laws of Serendipity: 1. In order to discover anything, you must be looking for something. 2. If you wish to make an improved product, you must first be engaged in making an inferior one. Tivoli Certification Group, OSCT James Choate jchoate at tivoli.com Senior Engineer 512-436-1062 From k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk Mon Apr 2 08:03:11 2001 From: k.brown at ccs.bbk.ac.uk (Ken Brown) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:03:11 +0100 Subject: your mail References: Message-ID: <3AC894AF.91D8C16D@ccs.bbk.ac.uk> > Sorry, but I didn't miss anything. You're being naive about traffic > analysis. > > Not if they have video. Simply proving you were geographicaly > co-habitative is enough for probably cause. It doesn't help you, it does > help them. Not if you are in a place where you normally go. From honig at sprynet.com Mon Apr 2 16:06:30 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:06:30 -0700 Subject: Save Me From the Child Sex Predators In-Reply-To: <20010402074319.AAA25034+3970112@timber20.timberland.lib.wa .us> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010402160630.0081a280@pop.sprynet.com> At 12:43 AM 4/2/01 -0700, Anonymous wrote: > >Subject: Please: BAM Needs for You to Send an Email NOW!! >From: "Mike Echols" >To: BAMExDir at hotmail.com > >On Boy Chit-Chat at some child sex >predators and pornographers have begun to impersonate me and members of >Better A Millstone as making threats to kill them, threats to encourage >illegal hacker attacks on their IP host servers, and even claiming that I >have died of a heart attack. (I am alive and well!) Sounds like someone needs digital signatures. Possibly a lobe-job. From declan at well.com Mon Apr 2 13:25:15 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 16:25:15 -0400 Subject: hmm Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010402162510.00a502f0@mail.well.com> In a segment airing on CBS' 60 Minutes II (www.cbsnews.com) Tuesday night, April 3rd, 2001, various experts will be interviewed regarding the growing number of business owners who have stopped withholding federal taxes from their workers' paychecks because they have discovered that there is no federal law on the books requiring it. Among the interviewees will be Charles Rossotti, current Internal Revenue Service Commissioner (www.irs.gov ), Joseph R. Banister, C.P.A., a former Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division Special Agent (www.freedomabovefortune.com and www.josephbanister.com ), a spokesman from the Cato Institute (www.cato.org ), Al Thompson, owner of Cencal Aviation Products www.cencal.com ), and others. Check your local listings for exact broadcast times. From declan at well.com Mon Apr 2 14:28:06 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:28:06 -0400 Subject: PARTY, PARTY, PARTY! In-Reply-To: ; from sandfort@mindspring.com on Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:23:47AM -0800 References: Message-ID: <20010402172806.A21207@cluebot.com> Now *this* is one of the best invitations I've seen in a while. :) -Declan On Fri, Mar 30, 2001 at 11:23:47AM -0800, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > You are invited to our fabulous: > > "GOOD FRIDAY THE THIRTEENTH" > > First Millennium II > Anarcho-Dilettante Masquerade Ball > > Your formal invitation is at: > > http://danger-island.com/party/ > > Your hosts: > > Black Unicorn > Sandy Sandfort > Randy French > Bob Smith From declan at well.com Mon Apr 2 14:36:07 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:36:07 -0400 Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: References: <20010402000050.A25206@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010402173603.00a568c0@mail.well.com> Yes, it's a joke. -Declan At 02:17 PM 4/2/01 -0700, Ray Dillinger wrote: >This is an April Fool, right? Even if the tech existed, it would >require substantial processing power and there's no way they could >get it into cameras by... um, by April First ... > > Bear > > >"Remember, Remember > The fifth of november > The gunpowder Treason and Plot. > I see no reason > The gunpowder treason > should ever be forgot..." > >Rhyme taught to twenty-second century british children, just >before detonating the charge under an effigy of a "Parliament >Building"... > --Time traveler's guide to seasonal celebrations. > > > >On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: > > >I note the mainstream media is picking up on this story: > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18028.html > > > >-Declan > > From declan at well.com Mon Apr 2 14:36:41 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:36:41 -0400 Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions In-Reply-To: <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu>; from gbnewby@ils.unc.edu on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 11:01:19AM -0400 References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> Message-ID: <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> It's true that I was subpoened in the Carl Johnson case (along with John Gilmore and perhaps some other list-members) and ended up testifying very briefly. My lawyer at the time indicated that because Johnson was not a source -- just some random guy who sent me a few messages -- I had no journalistic privilege that I could raise. But I do now, and I have raised it. As for the motion, I didn't write it, and those aren't the *moral* or *principled* objections I would raise (and I have raised). Those are the objections my lawyer thinks constitute the best trial tactics, and I respect his judgment. Saying more than that seems inappropriate at this point. -Declan On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 11:01:19AM -0400, Greg Newby wrote: > On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 02:52:15AM -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > > I'm probably going to be deeply sorry for this, but the > > following question has been bothering me for a while: > > > > Why in the world does anyone on this list trust Declan McCullagh? > > Your argument doesn't do much for me, Seth. The problem is, > what you say of Declan could be true of ANYONE you talk to, > journalist or not, and ANYONE on mailing lists or other forums > where you send your thoughts. > > The advantage of talking to Declan is that maybe, possibly, > some "freedom of the press" issues will let him avoid spilling > everything. In that case, you'd need to trust him to keep > your best interests. > > For non-press, you'd still need to wonder whose interests they > have at heart, but without the (minimal) protection offered > by a member of the press. > > More importantly, a member of the press isn't going to get a lot > of inside scoops if he develops a reputation as a turncoat. > This, to me, is the crux: It's in any journalist's interest > to be trustworthy. In the context of cypherpunks activity, > being trustworthy means not playing into the hands of > over-zealous law enforcement techniques. After all, the > DATA are there (that is, the Web pages, mailing list > postings, news articles, etc.). All the Feds are looking for, > in this case, is someone with credentials a judge will > listen to. > > That's my logic, anyway. > > Personally, on what I've read from Declan, I'd trust > him more than 99% of other journalists who write about > technological issues. This is based on technical understanding, > as well as what I consider to be a decent track record > of standing up against authority. > > -- Greg > From kea1us at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 17:49:47 2001 From: kea1us at yahoo.com (kea1us at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL "TV" REAL MONEY BEING MADE FAST..TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT! Message-ID: <200104030049.RAA26943@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Dear Friends & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can -follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ''Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $ 610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in." Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. =================================================== Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, ===== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ====== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happen to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! ========================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ========================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4 .... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGUREOUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! ========================================================= REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ======================================================= Advertising on the net is very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and dd METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. =========== AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ==================================================== REPORT# 1: Secrets Of Getting Free Advertising Order Report #1 from: K.W. P.O. Box 2342 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 USA ________________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net Order Report # 2 from: XCESSPOWER 5921 Hidden Pine Ln McKinney TX 75070 USA _________________________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the net Order Report # 3 from : R.C. Swans Box436 Odebolt IA 51458 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: "How to Become a Millionaire Utilizing MLM & the Net" Order Report # 4 from: C.J. Kalata P.O. Box 130157 Roseville, MN 55113-0002 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT #5: "How to Send Out 0ne Million e-mails for Free" Order Report # 5 from: B. Taylor P.O.Box 26001 Fredericton, N.B. E3A 5V8 ____________________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. === Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ====================================================== FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! ============ MORE TESTIMONIALS ================ "My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ====================================================== ''Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big." Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ======================================================= ''I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks." Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ======================================================= ''It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet.". Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ======================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON 'YOUR' ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ======================================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington,DC. From kea1us at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 17:49:52 2001 From: kea1us at yahoo.com (kea1us at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL "TV" REAL MONEY BEING MADE FAST..TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT! Message-ID: <200104030049.RAA27289@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Dear Friends & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can -follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ''Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $ 610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in." Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. =================================================== Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, ===== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ====== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happen to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! ========================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ========================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4 .... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGUREOUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! ========================================================= REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ======================================================= Advertising on the net is very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and dd METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. =========== AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ==================================================== REPORT# 1: Secrets Of Getting Free Advertising Order Report #1 from: K.W. P.O. Box 2342 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 USA ________________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net Order Report # 2 from: XCESSPOWER 5921 Hidden Pine Ln McKinney TX 75070 USA _________________________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the net Order Report # 3 from : R.C. Swans Box436 Odebolt IA 51458 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: "How to Become a Millionaire Utilizing MLM & the Net" Order Report # 4 from: C.J. Kalata P.O. Box 130157 Roseville, MN 55113-0002 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT #5: "How to Send Out 0ne Million e-mails for Free" Order Report # 5 from: B. Taylor P.O.Box 26001 Fredericton, N.B. E3A 5V8 ____________________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. === Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ====================================================== FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! ============ MORE TESTIMONIALS ================ "My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ====================================================== ''Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big." Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ======================================================= ''I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks." Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ======================================================= ''It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet.". Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ======================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON 'YOUR' ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ======================================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington,DC. From kea1us at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 17:49:56 2001 From: kea1us at yahoo.com (kea1us at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:49:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL "TV" REAL MONEY BEING MADE FAST..TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT! Message-ID: <200104030049.RAA27585@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Dear Friends & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can -follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ''Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $ 610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in." Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. =================================================== Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, ===== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ====== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happen to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! ========================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ========================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4 .... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGUREOUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! ========================================================= REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ======================================================= Advertising on the net is very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and dd METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. =========== AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ==================================================== REPORT# 1: Secrets Of Getting Free Advertising Order Report #1 from: K.W. P.O. Box 2342 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 USA ________________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net Order Report # 2 from: XCESSPOWER 5921 Hidden Pine Ln McKinney TX 75070 USA _________________________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the net Order Report # 3 from : R.C. Swans Box436 Odebolt IA 51458 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: "How to Become a Millionaire Utilizing MLM & the Net" Order Report # 4 from: C.J. Kalata P.O. Box 130157 Roseville, MN 55113-0002 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT #5: "How to Send Out 0ne Million e-mails for Free" Order Report # 5 from: B. Taylor P.O.Box 26001 Fredericton, N.B. E3A 5V8 ____________________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. === Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ====================================================== FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! ============ MORE TESTIMONIALS ================ "My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ====================================================== ''Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big." Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ======================================================= ''I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks." Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ======================================================= ''It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet.". Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ======================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON 'YOUR' ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ======================================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington,DC. From kea1us at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 17:50:03 2001 From: kea1us at yahoo.com (kea1us at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL "TV" REAL MONEY BEING MADE FAST..TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT! Message-ID: <200104030050.RAA28039@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Dear Friends & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can -follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ''Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $ 610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in." Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. =================================================== Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, ===== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ====== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happen to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! ========================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ========================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4 .... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGUREOUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! ========================================================= REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ======================================================= Advertising on the net is very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and dd METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. =========== AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ==================================================== REPORT# 1: Secrets Of Getting Free Advertising Order Report #1 from: K.W. P.O. Box 2342 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 USA ________________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net Order Report # 2 from: XCESSPOWER 5921 Hidden Pine Ln McKinney TX 75070 USA _________________________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the net Order Report # 3 from : R.C. Swans Box436 Odebolt IA 51458 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: "How to Become a Millionaire Utilizing MLM & the Net" Order Report # 4 from: C.J. Kalata P.O. Box 130157 Roseville, MN 55113-0002 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT #5: "How to Send Out 0ne Million e-mails for Free" Order Report # 5 from: B. Taylor P.O.Box 26001 Fredericton, N.B. E3A 5V8 ____________________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. === Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ====================================================== FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! ============ MORE TESTIMONIALS ================ "My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ====================================================== ''Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big." Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ======================================================= ''I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks." Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ======================================================= ''It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet.". Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ======================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON 'YOUR' ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ======================================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington,DC. From kea1us at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 17:50:12 2001 From: kea1us at yahoo.com (kea1us at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL "TV" REAL MONEY BEING MADE FAST..TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT! Message-ID: <200104030050.RAA28694@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Dear Friends & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can -follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ''Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $ 610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in." Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. =================================================== Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, ===== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ====== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happen to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! ========================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ========================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4 .... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGUREOUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! ========================================================= REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ======================================================= Advertising on the net is very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and dd METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. =========== AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ==================================================== REPORT# 1: Secrets Of Getting Free Advertising Order Report #1 from: K.W. P.O. Box 2342 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 USA ________________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net Order Report # 2 from: XCESSPOWER 5921 Hidden Pine Ln McKinney TX 75070 USA _________________________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the net Order Report # 3 from : R.C. Swans Box436 Odebolt IA 51458 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: "How to Become a Millionaire Utilizing MLM & the Net" Order Report # 4 from: C.J. Kalata P.O. Box 130157 Roseville, MN 55113-0002 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT #5: "How to Send Out 0ne Million e-mails for Free" Order Report # 5 from: B. Taylor P.O.Box 26001 Fredericton, N.B. E3A 5V8 ____________________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. === Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ====================================================== FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! ============ MORE TESTIMONIALS ================ "My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ====================================================== ''Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big." Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ======================================================= ''I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks." Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ======================================================= ''It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet.". Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ======================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON 'YOUR' ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ======================================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington,DC. From kea1us at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 17:50:17 2001 From: kea1us at yahoo.com (kea1us at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL "TV" REAL MONEY BEING MADE FAST..TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT! Message-ID: <200104030050.RAA29001@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Dear Friends & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can -follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ''Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $ 610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in." Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. =================================================== Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, ===== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ====== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happen to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! ========================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ========================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4 .... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGUREOUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! ========================================================= REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ======================================================= Advertising on the net is very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and dd METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. =========== AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least 2 sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, Write the NUMBER & the NAME of the Report you are ordering, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS and your name and postal address. PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW : ==================================================== REPORT# 1: Secrets Of Getting Free Advertising Order Report #1 from: K.W. P.O. Box 2342 Mt. Vernon, IL 62864 USA ________________________________________________________ REPORT # 2: The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk e-mail on the Net Order Report # 2 from: XCESSPOWER 5921 Hidden Pine Ln McKinney TX 75070 USA _________________________________________________________________ REPORT # 3: Secret to Multilevel marketing on the net Order Report # 3 from : R.C. Swans Box436 Odebolt IA 51458 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT # 4: "How to Become a Millionaire Utilizing MLM & the Net" Order Report # 4 from: C.J. Kalata P.O. Box 130157 Roseville, MN 55113-0002 USA ____________________________________________________________ REPORT #5: "How to Send Out 0ne Million e-mails for Free" Order Report # 5 from: B. Taylor P.O.Box 26001 Fredericton, N.B. E3A 5V8 ____________________________________________________________ $$$$$$$$$ YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES $$$$$$$$$$$ Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: === If you do not receive at least 10 orders for Report #1 within 2 weeks, continue sending e-mails until you do. === After you have received 10 orders, 2 to 3 weeks after that you should receive 100 orders or more for REPORT # 2. If you did not, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. === Once you have received 100 or more orders for Report # 2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in ! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a Different report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. IF YOU WANT TO GENERATE MORE INCOME SEND ANOTHER BATCH OF E-MAILS AND START THE WHOLE PROCESS AGAIN. There is NO LIMIT to the income you can generate from this business !!! ====================================================== FOLLOWING IS A NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: You have just received information that can give you financial freedom for the rest of your life, with NO RISK and JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT. You can make more money in the next few weeks and months than you have ever imagined. Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do Not change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report after you have put your name and address in Report #1 and moved others to #2 ...........# 5 as instructed above. One of the people you send this to may send out 100,000 or more e-mails and your name will be on every one of them. Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customers you will reach. So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials and opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW ! ============ MORE TESTIMONIALS ================ "My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody and I live in Chicago. I am an accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received this program I grumbled to Jody about receiving ''junk mail''. I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I ''knew'' it wouldn't work. Jody totally ignored my supposed intelligence and few days later she jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old ''I told you so'' on her when the thing didn't work. Well, the laugh was on me! Within 3 weeks she had received 50 responses. Within the next 45 days she had received total $ 147,200.00 ........... all cash! I was shocked. I have joined Jody in her ''hobby''. Mitchell Wolf M.D., Chicago, Illinois ====================================================== ''Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back''. '' I was surprised when I found my medium size post office box crammed with orders. I made $319,210.00in the first 12 weeks. The nice thing about this deal is that it does not matter where people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return and so big." Dan Sondstrom, Alberta, Canada ======================================================= ''I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I should have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed again by someone else.........11 months passed then it luckily came again...... I did not delete this one! I made more than $490,000 on my first try and all the money came within 22 weeks." Susan De Suza, New York, N.Y. ======================================================= ''It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money with little cost to you. I followed the simple instructions carefully and within 10 days the money started to come in. My first month I made $20,560.00 and by the end of third month my total cash count was $362,840.00. Life is beautiful, Thanx to internet.". Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ======================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON 'YOUR' ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ======================================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington,DC. From kea1us at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 17:50:25 2001 From: kea1us at yahoo.com (kea1us at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL "TV" REAL MONEY BEING MADE FAST..TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT! Message-ID: <200104030050.RAA29629@snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Dear Friends & Future Millionaire: AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV: Making over half million dollars every 4 to 5 months from your home for an investment of only $25 U.S. Dollars expense one time THANK'S TO THE COMPUTER AGE AND THE INTERNET ! ================================================== BE A MILLIONAIRE LIKE OTHERS WITHIN A YEAR!!! Before you say ''Bull'', please read the following. This is the letter you have been hearing about on the news lately. Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, a national weekly news program recently devoted an entire show to the investigation of this program described below, to see if it really can make people money. The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal. Their findings proved once and for all that there are ''absolutely NO Laws prohibiting the participation in the program and if people can -follow the simple instructions, they are bound to make some mega bucks with only $25 out of pocket cost''. DUE TO THE RECENT INCREASE OF POPULARITY & RESPECT THIS PROGRAM HAS ATTAINED, IT IS CURRENTLY WORKING BETTER THAN EVER. This is what one had to say: ''Thanks to this profitable opportunity. I was approached many times before but each time I passed on it. I am so glad I finally joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received total $ 610,470.00 in 21 weeks, with money still coming in." Pam Hedland, Fort Lee, New Jersey. =================================================== Here is another testimonial: "This program has been around for a long time but I never believed in it. But one day when I received this again in the mail I decided to gamble my $25 on it. I followed the simple instructions and walaa ..... 3 weeks later the money started to come in. First month I only made $240.00 but the next 2 months after that I made a total of $290,000.00. So far, in the past 8 months by re-entering the program, I have made over $710,000.00 and I am playing it again. The key to success in this program is to follow the simple steps and NOT change anything.'' More testimonials later but first, ===== PRINT THIS NOW FOR YOUR FUTURE REFERENCE ====== $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ If you would like to make at least $500,000 every 4 to 5 months easily and comfortably, please read the following...THEN READ IT AGAIN and AGAIN!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTION BELOW AND YOUR FINANCIAL DREAMS WILL COME TRUE, GUARANTEED! INSTRUCTIONS: =====Order all 5 reports shown on the list below ===== For each report, send $5 CASH, THE NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING and YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS to the person whose name appears ON THAT LIST next to the report. MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE TOP LEFT CORNER in case of any mail problems. === When you place your order, make sure you order each of the 5 reports. You will need all 5 reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. YOUR TOTAL COST $5 X 5=$25.00. Within a few days you will receive, vie e-mail, each of the 5 reports from these 5 different individuals. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. Also make a floppy of these reports and keep it on your desk in case something happen to your computer. IMPORTANT - DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than what is instructed below in step '' 1 through 6 '' or you will loose out on majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works, you will also see how it does not work if you change it. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter, it will NOT work !!! People have tried to put their friends/relatives names on all five thinking they could get all the money. But it does not work this way. Believe us, we all have tried to be greedy and then nothing happened. So Do Not try to change anything other than what is instructed. Because if you do, it will not work for you. Remember, honesty reaps the reward!!! 1.... After you have ordered all 5 reports, take this advertisement and REMOVE the name & address of the person in REPORT # 5. This person has made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their fortune. 2.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 4 down TO REPORT # 5. 3.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 3 down TO REPORT # 4. 4.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 2 down TO REPORT # 3. 5.... Move the name & address in REPORT # 1 down TO REPORT # 2 6.... Insert YOUR name & address in the REPORT # 1 Position. PLEASE MAKE SURE you copy every name & address ACCURATELY! ========================================================== **** Take this entire letter, with the modified list of names, and save it on your computer. DO NOT MAKE ANY OTHER CHANGES. Save this on a disk as well just in case if you loose any data. To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, the 5 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable marketing information which includes how to send bulk e-mails legally, where to find thousands of free classified ads and much more. There are 2 Primary methods to get this venture going: METHOD # 1: BY SENDING BULK E-MAIL LEGALLY ========================================================== Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes, and we will assume You and those involved send out only 5,000 e-mails each. Let's also assume that the mailing receive only a 0.2% response (the response could be much better but lets just say it is only 0.2%. Also many people will send out hundreds of thousands e-mails instead of only 5,000 each). Continuing with this example, you send out only 5,000 e-mails. With a 0.2% response, that is only 10 orders for report # 1. Those 10 people responded by sending out 5,000 e-mail each for a total of 50,000. Out of those 50,000 e-mails only 0.2% responded with orders. That's=100 people responded and ordered Report # 2. Those 100 people mail out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 500,000 e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 1000 orders for Report # 3. Those 1000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 5 million e-mails sent out. The 0.2% response to that is 10,000 orders for Report # 4. Those 10,000 people send out 5,000 e-mails each for a total of 50,000,000 (50 million) e-mails. The 0.2% response to that is 100,000 orders for Report # 5 THAT'S 100,000 ORDERS TIMES $5 EACH=$500,000.00 (half million). Your total income in this example is: 1..... $50 + 2..... $500 + 3..... $5,000 + 4 .... $50,000 + 5..... $500,000 ........ Grand Total=$555,550.00 NUMBERS DO NOT LIE. GET A PENCIL & PAPER AND FIGUREOUT THE WORST POSSIBLE RESPONSES AND NO MATTER HOW YOU CALCULATE IT, YOU WILL STILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY ! ========================================================= REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING ONLY 10 PEOPLE ORDERING OUT OF 5,000 YOU MAILED TO. Dare to think for a moment what would happen if everyone or half or even one 4th of those people mailed 100,000e-mails each or more? There are over 150 million people on the Internet worldwide and counting. Believe me, many people will do just that, and more! METHOD # 2 : BY PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET ======================================================= Advertising on the net is very inexpensive and there are hundreds of FREE places to advertise. Placing a lot of free ads on the Internet will easily get a larger response. We strongly suggest you start with Method # 1 and dd METHOD # 2 as you go along. For every $5 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the Report they ordered. That's it. Always provide same day service on all orders. This will guarantee that the e-mail they send out, with your name and address on it, will be prompt because they can not advertise until they receive the report. =========== AVAILABLE REPORTS ==================== ORDER EACH REPORT BY ITS NUMBER & NAME ONLY. Notes: Always send $5 cash (U.S. CURRENCY) for each Report. Checks NOT accepted. 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Fred Dellaca, Westport, New Zealand ======================================================= ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON 'YOUR' ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM ! ======================================================= If you have any questions of the legality of this program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection, Washington,DC. From pzakas at toucancapital.com Mon Apr 2 14:55:19 2001 From: pzakas at toucancapital.com (Phillip H. Zakas) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 17:55:19 -0400 Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: ya know this does sound like an april fools joke (esp. the part about encouraging the photographer to enter into counseling.) but while working for aol i remember companies trying to sell me on the concept of 'anti-porn' pic filtering software. it worked by looking for a high percentage of flesh tones in a pic. if the pic hit the min. level of flesh tone we could block it from proxy servers, or filter it from kid view, etc. worked essentially like the satellite image processing software used to locate certain types of flora or pollution, etc. none of it was quick enough or reliable enough to work properly (not sure about the current state of the art though). phillip -----Original Message----- From: owner-cypherpunks at Algebra.COM [mailto:owner-cypherpunks at Algebra.COM]On Behalf Of Ray Dillinger Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 5:18 PM To: Declan McCullagh Cc: cypherpunks at cyberpass.net; fight-censorship at vorlon.mit.edu Subject: Re: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras This is an April Fool, right? Even if the tech existed, it would require substantial processing power and there's no way they could get it into cameras by... um, by April First ... Bear "Remember, Remember The fifth of november The gunpowder Treason and Plot. I see no reason The gunpowder treason should ever be forgot..." Rhyme taught to twenty-second century british children, just before detonating the charge under an effigy of a "Parliament Building"... --Time traveler's guide to seasonal celebrations. On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote: >I note the mainstream media is picking up on this story: >http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18028.html > >-Declan > From honig at sprynet.com Mon Apr 2 17:57:59 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:57:59 -0700 Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010402175759.0081ecf0@pop.sprynet.com> At 05:55 PM 4/2/01 -0400, Phillip H. Zakas wrote: > >ya know this does sound like an april fools joke (esp. the part about >encouraging the photographer to enter into counseling.) Particularly if you only ran across it Monday. Got Mr. Bear, too. There are some cute RFCs dated 1.4.x too. but while working >for aol i remember companies trying to sell me on the concept of 'anti-porn' >pic filtering software. it worked by looking for a high percentage of flesh >tones in a pic. Yeah but all that blue latex and black leather screws up the pinkfilter. To say nothing of the feathers, whipped cream, or blood. From billstewart at att.com Mon Apr 2 18:00:10 2001 From: billstewart at att.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:00:10 -0700 Subject: PRE-ANNOUNCE: San Francisco Cypherpunks, 4/7, 1pm, Downtown Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.1.20010402174850.00a0f2d0@idiom.com> This is a pre-announcement for the Saturday April 7 Cypherpunks Meeting in San Francisco. This is the FIRST Saturday of the month, because the RSA conference will be the following week and many usual suspects from out of town will be around. The meeting will start at 1pm, and will be followed by dinner afterwards. Agenda: The primary agenda is discussion of the work people are doing, projects, things you're playing with, current events in crypto and privacy. If you'd like to give a talk, please contact Bill or DDT. We're still confirming the location, but it will either be at Moscone Center, where the conference is being held, or within two blocks, at AT&T 795 Folsom St., or at the Thirsty Bear Tavern on Howard. All of these are 5-10 minutes walk from Caltrain and BART. A follow-on announcement will give the definite location. Thanks! Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com, Cell +1-415-307-7119. Dave Del Torto, dave at deltor.to From ravage at ssz.com Mon Apr 2 16:31:03 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:31:03 -0500 Subject: Slashdot | ICANN Limits Terms Of VeriSign Domain Control Message-ID: <3AC90BB7.C99FA357@ssz.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/02/1940204.shtml -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Mon Apr 2 16:38:26 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:38:26 -0500 Subject: The Register - CPRM fails this time Message-ID: <3AC90D72.1FA01CC9@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/18053.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From sethf at MIT.EDU Mon Apr 2 16:36:48 2001 From: sethf at MIT.EDU (Seth Finkelstein) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <200104022336.TAA24955@oobleck.mit.edu> Declan McCullagh wrote: > It's true that I was subpoened in the Carl Johnson case (along with > John Gilmore and perhaps some other list-members) and ended up > testifying very briefly. My lawyer at the time indicated that because > Johnson was not a source -- just some random guy who sent me a few > messages -- I had no journalistic privilege that I could raise. > > But I do now, and I have raised it. My question does not involve journalistic privilege _per se_. It is addressed to the reputational implications of testifying as a witness for the prosecution in criminal trials (past, present, and future). By the way, again note you have raised privilege as a matter against the DEFENSE. You are not being asked by the prosecution to do anything but validate your articles under oath, in court, so they can use those articles as incriminating evidence. > As for the motion, I didn't write it, and those aren't the *moral* or > *principled* objections I would raise (and I have raised). ... I'm absolutely sure they aren't. And those "*moral* or *principled* objections" and a plane ticket get you to Tacoma. It's an excellent legal motion, in terms of serving the interests of the client. But the interests of the client and the interests of the person facing years in jail aren't the same at all. And that is manifest in the portion where the Court is asked to give the prosecution its evidence, but severely limit the defense's ability to attack the evidence via cross-examination. Which brings me back to my I-don't-get-it of why all of this somehow seems to *increases* the reputation-capital of the person being a prosecution witness in a criminal trial, to a group where many seem to think a police state is always around the corner (if not here already). Greg Newby wrote: > The advantage of talking to Declan is that maybe, possibly, > some "freedom of the press" issues will let him avoid spilling > everything. In that case, you'd need to trust him to keep > your best interests. But this is a worked-example of where his press interests are contrary to the defendant's interests. It's spelled out in great legal detail in his motion, and I summarized it colloquially. Can I summarize your argument to me as the classic If-[he]-didn't-do-it-somebody-else-would ? Generally, this doesn't work very well for the person who did do it. That is, is the situation that he doesn't "develops a reputation as a turncoat", no matter how many criminal trials he appears as a prosecution witness, if he just complains mightily about doing it? It's what he *says*, not what he *does*, which is determinative? I should disclaim that I'm not stating what Declan should or should not do, according to my views. Nor again is this an issue which has formed my own opinion of him. But it is a great mystery to me how he seems to always come out ahead for being a government prosecution witness, in the regard of many people who are supposedly under government prosecution risk, when all is said and done (especially done). __ Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf at mit.edu http://sethf.com From tcmay at got.net Mon Apr 2 19:44:04 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 19:44:04 -0700 Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions In-Reply-To: <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> Message-ID: At 5:36 PM -0400 4/2/01, Declan McCullagh wrote: >It's true that I was subpoened in the Carl Johnson case (along with >John Gilmore and perhaps some other list-members) and ended up >testifying very briefly. My lawyer at the time indicated that because >Johnson was not a source -- just some random guy who sent me a few >messages -- I had no journalistic privilege that I could raise. What's so weird (translation: IMO "unconstitutional" in the libertarian/Founders sense) about this is that it is completely arbitrary as to what constitutes being a _source_ in Declan's sense. Am I a "source" or just "some random guy" when I discuss with Declan my views about Washington? Am I a "source" or just "some random guy" when I discuss with Declan my personal views about what Timothy McVeigh did? Am I a "source" or just "some random guy" when I discuss with Declan the implications of untraceable digital money? Most importantly, Am I a "source" or just "some random guy" when Declan visits my house and I show him my arsenal of weapons and talk into the evening about things political? I think the Feds realize what a gold mine they have in Declan. A pity, really. And why is Declan's recounting of what Bell has been talking about any more "subpoenable" than what any number of list members responded to? (Because, of course, Declan is a journalist, and a journalist who writes about Toto or Bell or Detweiler or May or whomever has a "cachet" in prosecutorial circles that an article by a "not officially recognized" journalist (writer) does not have. Thus, prosecutors look to Declan's (or maybe Adam Chiralsky's) articles as somehow being more presentable in court than J. Random Listmember's articles. And so they haul Declan into court and expose him to cross examination about whom he talked to, what they said, who else was present, etc. (No doubt they are salivating about getting testimony about the infamous Alpine Inn Conclave. The nation's leading anarcho capitalist present. Too bad they didn't have advance warning.) Personally, I wish Declan well in his battles. He has been fair with me. Unfortunately, we seem to be entering an Orwellian era of thoughtcrime prosecutions, so it may be time to stop talking to Declan about anything besides "What about those 49ers, eh, Declan?" My hunch is that if he has to testify in a fishing expedition, his contacts with Cypherpunks will evaporate. Which may actually be one of the main reasons he is being called, actually. What a great way for Big Brother to silence a leading Cypherpunk-friendly journalist. The fact is, a journalist should no more be callable as a witness to an alleged crime than some other person who was not a witness to the actual events. If a claim is made that the alleged crime committer explained his crime, then this should be counted as "hearsay" in the same way hearsay it ordinarily treated. Enough for now. --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay at got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns From info at giganetstore.com Mon Apr 2 12:05:45 2001 From: info at giganetstore.com (info at giganetstore.com) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:05:45 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Nesta_P=E1scoa...?= Message-ID: <030d34505190241WWWSHOPENS@wwwshopens.giganetstore.com> Se pretender visualizar esta informação numa página do seu browser em formato HTML, basta clicar aqui. Transforme-se em Coelhinho.. ..e encha o cesto de "ovos". Na nossas Categorias de: Livros Harry Potter e o Cálice de Ouro J.K Rowling Não te deixarei Morrer... 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James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Mon Apr 2 18:30:36 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:30:36 -0500 Subject: Desktop Black Hole Possibly on the Horizon Message-ID: <3AC927BC.EDA879B8@ssz.com> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/desktop_blackhole_010123.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Mon Apr 2 18:41:18 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:41:18 -0500 Subject: Goldbach's Conjecture Message-ID: <3AC92A3E.766FCD38@ssz.com> http://www.informatik.uni-giessen.de/staff/richstein/ca/Goldbach.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From tcmay at got.net Mon Apr 2 20:41:58 2001 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:41:58 -0700 Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions In-Reply-To: <200104030318.XAA25120@oobleck.mit.edu> References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> <200104022336.TAA24955@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402211329.A26023@cluebot.com> <200104030318.XAA25120@oobleck.mit.edu> Message-ID: At 11:18 PM -0400 4/2/01, Seth Finkelstein wrote: >Declan McCullagh wrote: >> You appear to be intentionally misrepresenting the motion we filed >> last week as a way to make a personal attack. I understand your >> motive, but I don't care for it much. > > I believe I understand why you think that. But note I've taken >care to try to separate out the question I'm asking, from a personal >moral criticism. That is, I'm not making a moral criticism of you. I'm >asking why, logically, other people aren't making a moral criticism of >you according to their framework. I don't make a moral criticism of Declan because he doesn't appear to have any choice in the matter. It's not as if he could have simply said "Fuck you" to either the Toto/CJ or the Bell subpoenas. For instance, in cases where I have been subpoenaed, I have complied. To do otherwise, to rot in jail on a contempt charge for several years the way that D.C. chick did, is foolish. I take it, Seth, that if you are ever subpoenaed you will do the morally right thing and go to jail? --Tim May -- Timothy C. May tcmay at got.net Corralitos, California Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns From jamesd at echeque.com Mon Apr 2 20:47:05 2001 From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 20:47:05 -0700 Subject: Mr. Choate, an important message from Justice Scalia.... In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.1.20010326102630.00a48cc0@idiom.com> References: <20010314131734.A4609@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010402204401.01b14f68@mail.echeque.com> -- At 12:43 PM 3/30/2001 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: > Marbury vs. Madison was an entertaining power grab by the Supremes, > but while it may not have been explicitly planned by the bunch of > politicians who wrote the messy compromise that's the Constitution, > the Constitutional requirement that there be a hierarchy of courts > with one Supreme Court means that something like it should happen. Not "should happen", "would happen" To say that the constitution implicitly implies Marbury vs. Madison is true only in the way that for a girl to walk through a dark alley in a short short skirt implies consent for sex with random strangers in the alley. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG SmWWLGhDkaom2nZX4Vi9cCLQT0fxuw4s7BI+tfCq 4yULnjP1D6fY3fx8tINOn7HgtxGQV5/8BL9u6NASi From alan at clueserver.org Mon Apr 2 20:59:39 2001 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan Olsen) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 20:59:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20010402175759.0081ecf0@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, David Honig wrote: > but while working > >for aol i remember companies trying to sell me on the concept of 'anti-porn' > >pic filtering software. it worked by looking for a high percentage of flesh > >tones in a pic. > > Yeah but all that blue latex and black leather screws up the pinkfilter. > To say nothing of the feathers, whipped cream, or blood. Or that not all people are pink. This sounds like an interesting descrimination suit waiting to happen. ]:> "Your porn filter descriminates for people of color!" alan at ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame." From declan at well.com Mon Apr 2 18:13:30 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:13:30 -0400 Subject: Journalists vs. defendants vs. prosecutors In-Reply-To: <200104022336.TAA24955@oobleck.mit.edu>; from sethf@mit.edu on Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 07:36:48PM -0400 References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> <200104022336.TAA24955@oobleck.mit.edu> Message-ID: <20010402211329.A26023@cluebot.com> On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 07:36:48PM -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > My question does not involve journalistic privilege _per se_. > It is addressed to the reputational implications of testifying as a > witness for the prosecution in criminal trials (past, present, and future). > > By the way, again note you have raised privilege as a matter > against the DEFENSE. You are not being asked by the prosecution to do > anything but validate your articles under oath, in court, so they can > use those articles as incriminating evidence. You appear to be intentionally misrepresenting the motion we filed last week as a way to make a personal attack. I understand your motive, but I don't care for it much. You have me at a disadvantage. My attorney advises me not to make public statements about what we're doing at this time, so I can only say that the motion speaks for itself: http://www.mccullagh.org/subpoena/motion.032901.html Also, it is not a surprise that the interests of a defendant and journalist may diverge. -Declan From weeklymag at corpmail.hr.com Mon Apr 2 19:13:50 2001 From: weeklymag at corpmail.hr.com (weeklymag at corpmail.hr.com) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 21:13:50 -0500 Subject: HR.com's eBulletin for the Week of April 2, 2001 Message-ID: <200104031542.IAA18072@cyberpass.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 37519 bytes Desc: not available URL: From aimee.farr at pobox.com Mon Apr 2 20:18:34 2001 From: aimee.farr at pobox.com (Aimee Farr) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 22:18:34 -0500 Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions In-Reply-To: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> Message-ID: Seth said: > Why in the world does anyone on this list trust Declan McCullagh? You've got a sympathant reporter that knows his beat. Also, he's protective, and that's a lot more than you might get elsewhere. Most big "investigative" full-teeth news orgs roll over as a matter of practice, and wouldn't offer you any level of source protection. (I previously posted an outline for a reporter-source agreement, but it's not much help in a criminal context.) If this was another reporter, there probably wouldn't be a fight here. It's not Declan's fault that press shields have been shot full of holes. I know some reporters that have fought these fights... some have trouble finding work... all are nervous near federal all-terrain vehicles. Nevertheless, Seth, your post is illustrative. The erosion of press shields in this country only serve to *keep information away* from the general public and authorities. On balance, I wonder if it might cost them more than they gain from it. When discontents stop talking to reporters, the government is in the dark until ..."KABOOOM!" Another way to draw attention to oneself, or one's cause, is to talk to reporters. Sadly, many "could be dangerous people" are reluctant to do that now. A trusted in-the-know reporter can serve an important educational role to the LEA and the public, who sometimes "misunderstand" collective groups of individuals. This educational role can be in the interests of all parties, and need not involve testimony, prosecutorial acts, or finking. Just judicially unfettered newsgathering and reporting. The press is an intermediary in public dialogue. Our changing demographics and pockets of discontent seem to make for stronger arguments for press shields, not weaker ones. The comments of May, Finkelstein, et. al. seem to support this proposition. Off soapbox, ~Aimee From sethf at MIT.EDU Mon Apr 2 20:18:27 2001 From: sethf at MIT.EDU (Seth Finkelstein) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> <200104022336.TAA24955@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402211329.A26023@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <200104030318.XAA25120@oobleck.mit.edu> Declan McCullagh wrote: > You appear to be intentionally misrepresenting the motion we filed > last week as a way to make a personal attack. I understand your > motive, but I don't care for it much. I believe I understand why you think that. But note I've taken care to try to separate out the question I'm asking, from a personal moral criticism. That is, I'm not making a moral criticism of you. I'm asking why, logically, other people aren't making a moral criticism of you according to their framework. Because there's something here I just don't understand. Granted, it's a bit subtle, and I'm not likely to get a candid answer on-list. But for reasons of my own, it's been bothering me much over the past months. And since John Young already threw me into the flaming-pit, I thought I'd give the question a try in public. I conjecture that you think I'm making a backstabbing attack, because: a) It's what you would do, and often standard practice in your articles. b) You don't understand how I think about legal risk, since it's all a game to you. [See, I'm very clear when I am criticizing you _per se_] > You have me at a disadvantage. My attorney advises me not to make > public statements about what we're doing at this time, so I can only > say that the motion speaks for itself: I'm sure you will eventually write a rousing article, saying how you hated to do it, you fought every inch of the way. This was your strategy to battle the horrible actions forced on you by the jack-booted-thugs, and defend Free Speech, the First Amendment, Common Law, and the Freedom Of The Press. I'll stipulate all of that. And you're a Libertarian and I'm not, too! It all would be a distraction from my question. None of this is a criticism of the legal arguments in the motion. They are fine client-advocacy. I went through it all to talk about the interests of the prosecution vs. defense. Now, as a general proposition, if there's a fear of government criminal prosecution, showing up as a prosecution witness is regarded very poorly by people who wonder if they might be next. They tend to hold that against you, no matter what your reasons. In fact, even if you have what's objectively a very good reason, often people will not accept it. Yet, you did this at the first such criminal trial. You're likely about to do it at the second such criminal trial. And you seem come out of it each time with *greater* reputation-capital. You may think I'm backstabbingly insinuating you're a bad person for what you're doing. Actually, I'm not. I'm trying very carefully to stay away from such implications. I just don't understand how you end up with a higher reputation among some of the very people you might be testifying against in the future. Can you comprehend how this utterly, honestly, mystifies me at some level? I *conjecture* the answer is that ideology overrides action. A few chants of "Free Huey!" (or, here "Free Market!"), often go a long way. But still, there's a limit, which is usually exceeded the first time you show up in the witness box. A second time boggles my mind. You appear to think I'm saying "Hey everyone, Declan's a collaborator". No. Rather, I'm asking "Why doesn't Declan get flamingly denounced as a collaborator?". Not because I want to imply you should be. Rather, because I'm trying to understand why it isn't happening. Again, I know, it's a journalistic technique to coyly ask a question when the real goal is to imply the assertion, to get the idea into play. *Shrug*. All I can say is that I don't operate that way, and I think I've shown it given I state my objections very directly. > Also, it is not a surprise that the interests of a defendant and > journalist may diverge. Right. If I ever become a defendant, or have a risk of becoming a defendant, I hope you will understand why I want you *far*, *far*, away from me. It's not because of your politics. It's because you're a hazard to one's legal health. And again, this is not based on this case. But rather, your actions in retaliating via abusing your lists and journalistic position to get back at people, and your arrogance in fanning the flames of lawsuits against programmers (e.g. your initial coverage and contemptuous messages to the developers involved in DeCSS/LiViD), are a sterling example of where "the interests of a defendant and journalist may diverge.". And I'd like to insure I'm never a similar worked example vis-a-vis your divergent interests. __ Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf at mit.edu http://sethf.com From pzakas at toucancapital.com Mon Apr 2 20:30:38 2001 From: pzakas at toucancapital.com (Phillip H. Zakas) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:30:38 -0400 Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i'll resist the urge to point out farm animal skin tones probably weren't filtered, either. eieio. -----Original Message----- From: owner-cypherpunks at Algebra.COM [mailto:owner-cypherpunks at Algebra.COM]On Behalf Of Alan Olsen Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 12:00 AM To: David Honig Cc: Phillip H. Zakas; Ray Dillinger; Declan McCullagh; cypherpunks at cyberpass.net; fight-censorship at vorlon.mit.edu Subject: RE: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, David Honig wrote: > but while working > >for aol i remember companies trying to sell me on the concept of 'anti-porn' > >pic filtering software. it worked by looking for a high percentage of flesh > >tones in a pic. > > Yeah but all that blue latex and black leather screws up the pinkfilter. > To say nothing of the feathers, whipped cream, or blood. Or that not all people are pink. This sounds like an interesting descrimination suit waiting to happen. ]:> "Your porn filter descriminates for people of color!" alan at ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame." From ravage at ssz.com Mon Apr 2 21:52:42 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 23:52:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: What is a 'police state'? Message-ID: What are the defining characteristics? ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Mon Apr 2 21:59:12 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:59:12 -0500 Subject: The Register - Check out the 'Booknote'... Message-ID: <3AC958A0.EC875EC7@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/17132.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From sethf at MIT.EDU Mon Apr 2 21:29:12 2001 From: sethf at MIT.EDU (Seth Finkelstein) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 00:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> <200104022336.TAA24955@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402211329.A26023@cluebot.com> <200104030318.XAA25120@oobleck.mit.edu> Message-ID: <200104030429.AAA25195@oobleck.mit.edu> Tim May wrote: > I take it, Seth, that if you are ever subpoenaed you will do the > morally right thing and go to jail? I would be astounded if anyone who thought they might face a similar criminal prosecution would ever say a word to me again. Moreover, I'd be flabbergasted if they remained friends with me. I'll repeat again - I'm not saying what you should do. I am trying to understand the reasoning behind it. I do not believe this country is on the verge of a police state. Nor do I expect to be of Federal criminal interest for any sort of gun or violent offense. This is a key difference. __ Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf at mit.edu http://sethf.com From MonitorShelf at MiracleNet.com Tue Apr 3 01:26:26 2001 From: MonitorShelf at MiracleNet.com (MonitorShelf at MiracleNet.com) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 01:26:26 Subject: Gain Extra Desk Space Instantly Message-ID: <200104030529.WAA29548@cyberpass.net> The new Screen-top Monitor Shelf creates a flat, level storage surface on top of your monitor giving you much needed extra desk space immediately. 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Name: not available Type: text/html Size: 6201 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sethf at MIT.EDU Mon Apr 2 22:52:04 2001 From: sethf at MIT.EDU (Seth Finkelstein) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 01:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <200104030552.BAA25278@oobleck.mit.edu> Tim May wrote: > And why is Declan's recounting of what Bell has been talking about > any more "subpoenable" than what any number of list members responded to? Because it allegedly came from Bell's own mouth. Note some of Bell's messages are part of the Federal Complaint. Be of good cheer. I suspect that if you conducted an interview with Jim Bell, where you claimed he made incriminating admissions, then wrote-up and posted the results, the prosecution would in general be just as willing to have you testify as a witness as they would an "official" journalist. You could test this :-). > My hunch is that if he has to testify in a fishing expedition, his > contacts with Cypherpunks will evaporate. Umm, why? Remember they didn't evaporate the first time around, from the Carl Johnson trial. And there's no government "fishing expedition" here. The prosecution has set out exactly the evidence it's seeking. Or were you referring to this part of the motion? "Put simply, Bell's likely cross-examination of McCullagh will be a fishing expedition in its purest form. The "mere hope" of obtaining exculpatory evidence is not sufficient for enforcement of a Rule 17 subpoena." > Which may actually be one of the main reasons he is being called, > actually. What a great way for Big Brother to silence a leading > Cypherpunk-friendly journalist. I think I'm finally getting the answer to my question ... __ Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf at mit.edu http://sethf.com From codehead at ix.netcom.com Tue Apr 3 02:18:37 2001 From: codehead at ix.netcom.com (codehead at ix.netcom.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:18:37 -0700 Subject: Seattle cypherpunks group Message-ID: Matthew, I'm pulling together a local cypherpunks group in Seattle. If you know anyone in the area who is interested in issues of cryptography and privacy, could you please pass this announcement on? Thanks, Emily Sandblade P.S. If you're ever in the area, I'd love to have you as a speaker. ===================================== ***Please circulate to all interested parties*** Announcing the first meeting of 2001 of Cypherpunks-Seattle. When: April 14, 2001 12:30 - 4:00 p.m. Where: Bellevue Las Margaritas 437 - 108th Avenue N. E., downtown Bellevue Space is limited, please RSVP to seacypherpunks at ix.netcom.com Agenda - Introductions and Open Discussion E-Gold and other Alternative Currency Systems Problems and Tradeoffs in Public Key Infrastructures E-Gold and other Alternative Currency Systems E-gold has enjoyed increasing success as the first viable free-market electronic currency. It is privately backed, and does not rely on any particular government's political stability to retain its value. Vince Callaway, who wears hats as both an independent in- and out-exchange provider for e-gold and Norfed and a software engineer, will discuss the background of free-market currencies, some of the current operating paradigms, and will touch on some of the future prospects for these currencies. Vince has the distinction of having been an early BBS sysop, moving into becoming Tacoma's first internet provider in 1991. He has been involved both in getting Washington State's leginfo site created, and was instrumental in getting a digital signature law passed in Washington. Vince also operates a PGP key server. Problems and Tradeoffs in Public Key Infrastructures This could hardly come at a better time, after the announcement that Verisign issued a Class 3 Digital Certificate to someone who purported to be from Microsoft, but wasn't. This certificate can be used to code-sign things like ActiveX controls, macros, and applications. Anyone in possession of that certificate could present malicious code to an unsuspecting user and fool that user into accepting it into his computer. ("After all, it said it was from Microsoft.") Albert Yang will discuss what PKI--Public Key Infrastructures--can and cannot do. He will briefly cover the basics of how PKI works, where it fails, and when and how certificates can be trusted--and defeated. In addition, Albert has promised to give a glimpse of some of the new PKI developments on the horizon. Albert is currently a security architect and PKI consultant with Baltimore Technology. Previously, he was a consultant with RSA. He has several years of background in Linux, BSD, and web site design and programming. The cypherpunks meeting is an Open Meeting on US Soil and it is free for anyone to attend. ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, 2175 Bayfield Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From freematt at coil.com Tue Apr 3 00:05:31 2001 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 03:05:31 -0400 Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions In-Reply-To: <200104030318.XAA25120@oobleck.mit.edu> References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> <200104022336.TAA24955@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402211329.A26023@cluebot.com> <200104030318.XAA25120@oobleck.mit.edu> Message-ID: Seth Finkelstein wrote: > > I *conjecture* the answer is that ideology overrides action. >A few chants of "Free Huey!" (or, here "Free Market!"), often go a long >way. But still, there's a limit, which is usually exceeded the first >time you show up in the witness box. A second time boggles my mind. If you really must chant I'd prefer "Freematt" over "Free Huey" but then I'm somewhat biased. Really you shouldn't say anything to a reporter anywhere that you wouldn't mind seeing on the front page of your local newspaper. And you really, really, shouldn't post your innermost feelings and plans for world domination on cypherpunks, unless of course you want everyone who cares to look know your innermost feelings and plans for world domination. Regards, Matt- ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) Matthew Gaylor, 2175 Bayfield Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ ************************************************************************** From carol at webbittown.net Tue Apr 3 04:08:42 2001 From: carol at webbittown.net (Carol Braddock) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 07:08:42 -0400 Subject: For whom the Bell case tolls....... Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp Size: 3880 bytes Desc: not available URL: From honig at sprynet.com Tue Apr 3 07:21:46 2001 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 07:21:46 -0700 Subject: DOJ steps up child porn fight, plan regulates digital cameras In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.20010402175759.0081ecf0@pop.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20010403072146.007b0810@pop.sprynet.com> At 08:59 PM 4/2/01 -0700, Alan Olsen wrote: >On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, David Honig wrote: > >> but while working >> >for aol i remember companies trying to sell me on the concept of 'anti-porn' >> >pic filtering software. it worked by looking for a high percentage of flesh >> >tones in a pic. >> >> Yeah but all that blue latex and black leather screws up the pinkfilter. >> To say nothing of the feathers, whipped cream, or blood. > >Or that not all people are pink. Yeah, if your porn-AI can parse http://www.mccullagh.org/theme/dazzle-dancers.html you're a better heurist than I. From bf at farc.org Tue Apr 3 09:18:53 2001 From: bf at farc.org (Blank Frank) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 08:18:53 -0800 Subject: monopolists Message-ID: <3AC9F7EC.F635EE40@farc.org> "I am aghast that a bunch of thieves like Napster could end up winning because they have 60 million users.... It's like making a drug dealer a pharmacist because they sell a lot of drugs." — Liquid Audio CEO Gerry Kearby on Napster's underground success. He sure likes state-blessed monopolies, doesn't he? http://wired.com/ From djb at gci.net Tue Apr 3 09:32:12 2001 From: djb at gci.net (Daniel J. Boone) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 08:32:12 -0800 Subject: Mr. Choate, an important message from Justice Scalia.... References: <20010314131734.A4609@cluebot.com> <5.0.2.1.0.20010402204401.01b14f68@mail.echeque.com> Message-ID: <007201c0bc5b$fea8e020$7660ed18@juneau.ak.net> Good lord, man, that's amazing. You do realize that you just accurately summarized in 41 words the losing side of one of the most important constitutional debates in our nation's history? It's almost not quite short enough to tempt me to make a new .sig. Thank you -- that one goes in the digital scrapbook. -- Daniel James A. Donald wrote: > To say that the constitution implicitly implies Marbury vs. Madison is true > only in the way that for a girl to walk through a dark alley in a short > short skirt implies consent for sex with random strangers in the alley. ======================================================= The Law Office of Daniel J. Boone 326 Fourth Avenue, Suite B Juneau, Alaska 99801 (907) 723-9902 djb at gci.net ======================================================= "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe when the legislature is in session." -- Judge Gideon Tucker ======================================================= From jamesd at echeque.com Tue Apr 3 09:13:55 2001 From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:13:55 -0700 Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions In-Reply-To: <200104030318.XAA25120@oobleck.mit.edu> References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> <200104022336.TAA24955@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402211329.A26023@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010403091155.01acdd00@mail.echeque.com> -- At 11:18 PM 4/2/2001 -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > You appear to think I'm saying "Hey everyone, Declan's a > collaborator". No. Rather, I'm asking "Why doesn't Declan get > flamingly denounced as a collaborator?". Not because I want > to imply you should be. Rather, because I'm trying to > understand why it isn't happening. Probably because his testimony is not very exciting, and making him testify seems more like an act of harassment against him, than anything very useful to the prosecution. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG q70ASRR8QZ/E1/BHWVxAk/TTaG2QfkPsvvf402/9 4m9AD/So6EOlMgNcDyyIc2ZQH6YpNvb5vqh7QxyhT From jamesd at echeque.com Tue Apr 3 09:19:44 2001 From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:19:44 -0700 Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions In-Reply-To: <200104030429.AAA25195@oobleck.mit.edu> References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> <200104022336.TAA24955@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402211329.A26023@cluebot.com> <200104030318.XAA25120@oobleck.mit.edu> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010403091604.01ac6488@mail.echeque.com> -- At 12:29 AM 4/3/2001 -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > I would be astounded if anyone who thought they might face a > similar criminal prosecution would ever say a word to me > again. Then you must have few friends indeed, for as far as I can determine, every member of the ordinary respectable middle class that I know reasonably well has committed multiple felonies that theoretically could put them behind bars for forty years or so, in the unlikely event that the prosecutors got the hots for them, and in the event the prosecutors found out. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 5+hxwoYj4hnVfACXBQ8mFFBUjc+LLYKJKlxm5HJh 4CvXRNzUxXkoBpc0LealKucnkHyKaWEjgmITSL2Q+ From jamesd at echeque.com Tue Apr 3 09:30:11 2001 From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:30:11 -0700 Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions In-Reply-To: <200104030552.BAA25278@oobleck.mit.edu> References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010403092511.02c981f8@mail.echeque.com> -- Tim May wrote: > > Which may actually be one of the main reasons he is being called, > > actually. What a great way for Big Brother to silence a leading > > Cypherpunk-friendly journalist. At 01:52 AM 4/3/2001 -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote: > I think I'm finally getting the answer to my question ... You are kind of slow on the uptake. The government has been using the judicial process itself as a punishment for many years, most infamously the PGP grand jury. These subpeonas are a form of harassment. I curb my speach not for fear that I will be prosecuted, but for fear that I will be summoned as a witness, in the course of investigating a supposed conspiracy. Recollect the great indignation during the fifties about the way the government used an investigation of an entirely real conspiracy, a conspiracy directed by a hostile foreign power seeking the destruction of the US, as a punishment against those of certain political views. --digsig James A. 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From freematt at coil.com Tue Apr 3 10:42:00 2001 From: freematt at coil.com (Matthew Gaylor) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:42:00 -0400 Subject: Seattle cypherpunks group Message-ID: From jchoate at dev.tivoli.com Tue Apr 3 11:42:46 2001 From: jchoate at dev.tivoli.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:42:46 -0500 Subject: Slashdot | New flaws in 802.11B Message-ID: <3ACA19A6.56123094@dev.tivoli.com> http://slashdot.org/articles/01/04/03/160236.shtml -- Adapt, Adopt, Improvise! - Anonymous Venimus, Vidimus, Delavimus - 1st Linux Motto, Anonymous Tivoli Certification Group, OSCT James Choate jchoate at tivoli.com Senior Engineer 512-436-1062 From alan at clueserver.org Tue Apr 3 13:52:39 2001 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan Olsen) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 13:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Seattle cypherpunks group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There used to be a Seattle Cypherpunks list, but I have not seen traffic on it in years. I need to get the Portland group going again. Got kind of burned out being the only one actually doing anything to organize meetings and the like... (As well as having damn little time.) On Tue, 3 Apr 2001, Matthew Gaylor wrote: > From: codehead at ix.netcom.com > To: Matthew Gaylor > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 02:18:37 -0700 > Subject: Seattle cypherpunks group > > > Matthew, > > I'm pulling together a local cypherpunks group in Seattle. If you > know anyone in the area who is interested in issues of cryptography > and privacy, could you please pass this announcement on? > > Thanks, > > Emily Sandblade > > P.S. If you're ever in the area, I'd love to have you as a speaker. > > ===================================== > > ***Please circulate to all interested parties*** > > Announcing the first meeting of 2001 of Cypherpunks-Seattle. > > When: April 14, 2001 12:30 - 4:00 p.m. > Where: Bellevue Las Margaritas > 437 - 108th Avenue N. E., downtown Bellevue > Space is limited, please RSVP to > seacypherpunks at ix.netcom.com > > > Agenda - > > Introductions and Open Discussion > > E-Gold and other Alternative Currency Systems > > Problems and Tradeoffs in Public Key Infrastructures > > > E-Gold and other Alternative Currency Systems > > E-gold has enjoyed increasing success as the first viable > free-market electronic currency. It is privately backed, and > does not rely on any particular government's political stability > to retain its value. > > Vince Callaway, who wears hats as both an independent in- > and out-exchange provider for e-gold and Norfed and a software > engineer, will discuss the background of free-market currencies, > some of the current operating paradigms, and will touch on some > of the future prospects for these currencies. > > Vince has the distinction of having been an early BBS sysop, > moving into becoming Tacoma's first internet provider in 1991. > He has been involved both in getting Washington State's leginfo > site created, and was instrumental in getting a digital signature > law passed in Washington. Vince also operates a PGP key server. > > > Problems and Tradeoffs in Public Key Infrastructures > > This could hardly come at a better time, after the > announcement that Verisign issued a Class 3 Digital Certificate > to someone who purported to be from Microsoft, but wasn't. This > certificate can be used to code-sign things like ActiveX > controls, macros, and applications. Anyone in possession of that > certificate could present malicious code to an unsuspecting user > and fool that user into accepting it into his computer. ("After > all, it said it was from Microsoft.") > > Albert Yang will discuss what PKI--Public Key > Infrastructures--can and cannot do. He will briefly cover the > basics of how PKI works, where it fails, and when and how > certificates can be trusted--and defeated. In addition, Albert > has promised to give a glimpse of some of the new PKI > developments on the horizon. > > Albert is currently a security architect and PKI consultant > with Baltimore Technology. Previously, he was a consultant with > RSA. He has several years of background in Linux, BSD, and web > site design and programming. > > > The cypherpunks meeting is an Open Meeting on US Soil and it is > free for anyone to attend. > > ************************************************************************** > Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues > Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA > on the subject line. List is private and moderated (7-30 messages per week) > Matthew Gaylor, 2175 Bayfield Drive, Columbus, OH 43229 > (614) 313-5722 ICQ: 106212065 Archived at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/fa/ > ************************************************************************** > > alan at ctrl-alt-del.com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply Alan Olsen | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys. "In the future, everything will have its 15 minutes of blame." 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The technology allows a recorder to > record encrypted content, and a player to play it back, without > having any keys in common. The media acts as a passive oracle to > allow the different boxes to come to the same cryptographic key. > In contrast, previous copy protection technologies like the one > used for DVD video, depended on shared keys between the mastering > studio and the players, with predictable results. As soon as a > 16-year-old in Norway found one shared key, the system was > effectively broken: there was no way to exclude the broken key > from the system without hurting too many innocent consumers. In > contrast, CPRM can survive thousands of independent attacks, and > exclude millions of circumvention devices, without any chance of > innocent consumers being affected. > > Recently, articles have appeared in the press that CPRM will be > standardized on all PC hard drives. This has fueled Orwellian > mages of a Big Brother chip on your PC that will decide whether > your files are worthy of being copied. This is complete nonsense. > CPRM would never be standardized, nor have we ever proposed such > a thing. CPRM strength is portability and interchangeability and > it is mismatch for fixed hard drive. It is completely passive, > requires no hardware, and can only be exploited by newly-designed > applications. It cannot possibly affect existing files or > applications. How these myths came about, and persist, was an > object lesson for a media-naive researcher. > > About the speaker: > > Jeff Lotspiech is the manager of the Content Protection > Technology Group at the IBM Almaden Research Center. He has a BS > and MS in Computer Science from MIT, 1972. He has been working on > content protection technologies, both the Internet and media, for > the last six years. > > Contact information: > > Jeffrey B. Lotspiech > IBM Almaden Research Center DPEM/B3 > 650 Harry Road > San Jose, CA 95120 > 408-927-1851 > 408-927-3497 > lotspiech at almaden.ibm.com > > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -+ > | This message was sent via the Stanford Computer Science Department | > | colloquium mailing list. To be added to this list send an arbitrary | > | message to colloq-subscribe at cs.stanford.edu. To be removed from this list,| > | send a message to colloq-unsubscribe at cs.stanford.edu. For more information,| > | send an arbitrary message to colloq-request at cs.stanford.edu. For directions| > | to Stanford, check out http://www-forum.stanford.edu | > +-------------------------------------------------------------------------xc l+ > --------------1B75234EF6D4C6F043E7587C-- From decoy at iki.fi Tue Apr 3 05:55:55 2001 From: decoy at iki.fi (Sampo Syreeni) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 15:55:55 +0300 (EEST) Subject: "Educating" the Court about Cypherpunks Considered Harmful In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Tim May wrote: >The notion that Bell's defense will be "helped" if only the Court or >its various prosecuting and defending attorneys are given an >education in The Cypherpunk Way is just plain ludicrous. But it does help create a context for AP that doesn't seem nearly as bad as the essay alone. It's the difference between incitement and incitement discussed in a periodical, more or less. Not that that should matter, or would do much good when the Guv'nment doesn't like what is being said. 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Your opinions are important to us. Share your thoughts about the site with us by sending an e-mail to feedback at nytimes.com ************************************************************* Your account information is listed below for future reference: Your Member ID is nytsuxhardcox You selected your password at registration. Your e-mail address is cypherpunks at ssz.com If you did not authorize this registration, someone has mistakenly registered using your e-mail address. We regret the inconvenience; please forward this e-mail to cancel at nytimes.com and write "cancel" in the subject line or visit http://www.nytimes.com/subscribe/help/cancel.html From BF at farc.org Tue Apr 3 17:31:52 2001 From: BF at farc.org (Blank Frank) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 16:31:52 -0800 Subject: have you heard of cypherpunks? Message-ID: <3ACA6B77.C43B35DE@farc.org> At 05:26 PM 4/3/01 -0400, John Young wrote: >Tacoma 2PM >A party said the first question asked of prospective >jurors was: "have you heard of cypherpunks?" Yeah, it was Jude M's nickname for a friend's intellectual-clique. ..... This is your brain. This is your brain on crypto. Any questions? From sethf at MIT.EDU Tue Apr 3 13:35:50 2001 From: sethf at MIT.EDU (Seth Finkelstein) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Declan McCullagh and prosecutions References: <200104020652.CAA23475@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402110119.D19061@ils.unc.edu> <20010402173641.B21207@cluebot.com> <200104022336.TAA24955@oobleck.mit.edu> <20010402211329.A26023@cluebot.com> <200104030318.XAA25120@oobleck.mit.edu> <5.0.2.1.0.20010403091155.01acdd00@mail.echeque.com> Message-ID: <200104032035.QAA26543@oobleck.mit.edu> >At 11:18 PM 4/2/2001 -0400, Seth Finkelstein wrote: >> You appear to think I'm saying "Hey everyone, Declan's a >> collaborator". No. Rather, I'm asking "Why doesn't Declan get >> flamingly denounced as a collaborator?". Not because I want >> to imply you should be. Rather, because I'm trying to >> understand why it isn't happening. > James A. Donald wrote: > Probably because his testimony is not very exciting, and making him > testify seems more like an act of harassment against him, than > anything very useful to the prosecution. I'm fascinated that you view it that way. Isn't it clear why his testimony is useful to the prosecution? It's a key part of the Federal Complaint. I was going to ask if you think the prosecution got a subpoena signed by the Attorney General himself just for giggles, but that's actually been answered. It's not "exciting" testimony, but then a lot of trials are very boring ("Where were you on the night of the 12th?" "I was by myself", etc. etc.). Once the prosecution wants him to testify, then exactly because we have functioning Constitutional due-process rights, generally that testimony has to be in open court. And the defense gets a chance to confront the accuser. That's just how it works. Now, the defense could agree not to oppose Declan's testimony, but that would be foolish of them (in my view). Again. people seem to somehow have acquired the idea that the *prosecution* is fishing for something. NO. Their evidence is specified already. They want Declan in and out of court as fast as possible, and wouldn't have him in court at all if they could avoid it. It's exactly the fact that they can't avoid having him in court which is causing the headache. Because the Sixth Amendment says a defendant has certain rights, and those are not being waived here. Again, that is just basic stuff as to how the system functions. If we didn't have Sixth Amendment protections in it, none of this would be happening! __ Seth Finkelstein Consulting Programmer sethf at mit.edu http://sethf.com From ptrei at rsasecurity.com Tue Apr 3 13:39:37 2001 From: ptrei at rsasecurity.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:39:37 -0400 Subject: RSA Conference Expo Free Passes Message-ID: Sorry for the late notice, but I just found out that the deadline for obtaining free passes has been extended. While the website puts the free pass period as ending a month ago, they are actually still available, but will probably end today. What: Expo section at the RSA Security 2001 Conference Where: Moscone Center, San Francisco When: 9am-5pm 10-11 April 2001 How: Regsiter at www.rsaconference.com Peter Trei From jya at pipeline.com Tue Apr 3 14:26:42 2001 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:26:42 -0400 Subject: Bell Trial Day 1/2 Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20010403212642.00bb3610@pop.pipeline.com> Tacoma 2PM Declan's motion to avoid testifying was denied, though Judge Tanner said defense cross-examination would be limited to his testimony. Declan is testifying this afternoon. Judge Tanner twice warned Jim to not speak out and that he will be muzzled or taken "down stairs" if he does so. No mistrial, Jack barked. Jim scribbled "SHAM" on a notepad and displayed it to the courtroom. Declan and I were excluded from the courtroom after the hearing on his motion and the jury was empaneled. My partner is allowed to remain but is not allowed to tell me what is happening in the courtroom until after my testimony tomorrow or the next day. Nor can I buy a copy of the transcript until after I testify. My partner can buy it but cannot show it to me. My partner strictly obeys the rules. Anonymous showed a copy of the feds memorandum on how the trial is to proceed, about 40 pages. There may be a chance of getting this at the end of the day if the judge returns the case file to the public records office. A quick glance at the memo revealed the feds witness and evidence lists. At least one other alleged cpunk listed. In fact, it looks as though anybody who spoke with Jim in jail has been subpoenaed, except Adam Ciralsky of 60 Minutes, who is covering the trial but has not been subpoenaed. All calls were recorded, some of them to be used as evidence. The memo reveals that the feds have been tracking Jim for a long time, including using high tech devices and udercover agents, as Jim has been claiming. The memo makes considerable use of "murder-for-hire on the Internet." Anonymous said the stalking law used against Jim was enacted only a month before his arrest, and this trial is the first application of the law. A party said the first question asked of prospective jurors was: "have you heard of cypherpunks?" The memo states I will be asked about a post to cpunks concerning location of CIA agents and that I might invoke the 5th. And that I will be immunized if that happens. My partner expects a subpoena to disclose what we speculate is the real reason for the Bell trial: training for prosecuting counterterrorism in the homeland. Retroactive application of laws and investigations once limited to foreign enemies. From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Apr 3 15:33:02 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:33:02 -0500 Subject: The Register - Brit Spooks and RIP Message-ID: <3ACA4F9E.CAE34A4B@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18073.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Apr 3 15:35:02 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:35:02 -0500 Subject: The Register - Stab yourself in the back... Message-ID: <3ACA5016.C82C9953@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18057.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From declan at well.com Tue Apr 3 18:20:42 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 18:20:42 -0700 Subject: What happened with the subpoena: Report from Tacoma courthouse Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010403182019.00ac4ec0@mail.well.com> [originally sent to politech] U.S. District Judge Jack Tanner did not grant our motion to quash the subpoena, so I took the stand this afternoon. When I did, I confirmed that I was the author of two Wired News articles and I said I believed those articles were accurate. When the prosecution and (mainly) defense asked me other questions, each time I said I "respectfully declined" to answer that question based on my First Amendment privilege as a journalist. I did this about six times before both sides gave up and said they had no further questions. Also, Assistant U.S. Attorney Robb London asked the judge to declare me a "hostile witness," but Tanner did not rule on the government's motion. The questions I refused to answer included whether I subscribed to the cypherpunks list, whether I interviewed government agents while writing my articles, what else defendant Jim Bell told me in other conversations, and whether I knew cypherpunks co-founder Eric Hughes. I did not answer any of those questions. This morning I emailed family and some close friends with emergency contact info for my attorney, Tim Alger, in case I was held in contempt and went to jail. Some were concerned enough that they already contacted Tim, and it's heartwarming to know that you have friends who will do that for you. Thanks (you know who you are). As an aside, this is a very interesting trial. It appears to be the first time the new "interstate stalking" law will be tested in court, the first time a defendant has been prevented from viewing discovery material because he wishes to post it to the Internet, the first time the Feds appear to be using a GPS bug implanted in a defendant's car, and so on. Local journalists or interested politechnicals may want to stop by the Tacoma federal courthouse tomorrow. I'll send along a writeup of today's proceedings later on. -Declan Tacoma, Washington http://www.politechbot.com/p-01882.html From Results at TVEyes.com Tue Apr 3 15:23:06 2001 From: Results at TVEyes.com (Results at TVEyes.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:23:06 -0400 Subject: crypto Message-ID: <59EBFD05352BD411B71600D0B74739D101790AE8@maileyes.tveyes.com> Your keyword(s), crypto, was recently spoken on FNC during Special Report. Tuesday, Apr 3 2001 at 06:23 PM ......is how we gather the information and what technology we have they would be able to destroy the crypto gear within the aircraft ...... For details, visit http://www.TVEyes.com/database/expand.asp?ln=3157299&Key=crypto Just follow the above link to keep your account active for this keyword. For total control of your keywords, go to http://www.tveyes.com/log_in.asp Marriott and Renaissance Hotels Help You Stay Connected: By 2001 almost every room will have high-speed internet service powered by AT&T. This means you will have 50 times faster-than-typical Internet connection from the comfort of your room. And you get a full day of Internet access for one low price. Click here to make your reservation and stay connected! http://by.advertising.com/1/c/23066/9974//13882 AOL users click here From BF at farc.org Tue Apr 3 19:59:03 2001 From: BF at farc.org (Blank Frank) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 18:59:03 -0800 Subject: Monty Python, with Tim May and Eric Hughes Message-ID: <3ACA8DF6.ED816@farc.org> At 09:28 PM 4/3/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote: > Cypherpunks and AP play a key >role of the government's case, with Tim May and Eric Hughes being >mentioned, and this is just Day One. The anarchist (tm) Black Block of Seattle was a psyop to prime the grand jury's adrenals. Channelling JY's divine paranoia/prescience, BF From declan at well.com Tue Apr 3 19:29:35 2001 From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:29:35 -0700 Subject: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk? Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010403191855.00a7c0c0@mail.well.com> It's important for cypherpunks to understand why Seth Finkelstein has (apparently) recently subscribed to the list. Seth is essentially an anti-cypherpunk, someone who violently disagrees with free-market points of view and has spent (a conservative estimate) hundreds of hours arguing against them. Seth's claim to fame is that he popularized the "Libertarianism Makes You Stupid" saying, popular among a small clutch of Net-leftists. An article he wrote: http://www.spectacle.org/897/finkel.html Obviously there are going to be some points of agreement. Seth is a liberal and a programmer who is going to like strong crypto, free speech (only the types the ACLU approves of, naturally), and so on. But on cases involving free trade, commercial speech, critiques of government regulation, Seth is an aggressive anti-cypherpunk and proud of it. (This is not to say that all cypherpunks are libertarians, of course. The DC cpunx are mostly Finkelsteinian leftists, as far as I can tell. But the problem is that modern leftism runs up against cypherpunkly thinking -- to the extent there is such a consensus -- pretty quickly.) -Declan From ravage at einstein.ssz.com Tue Apr 3 17:39:26 2001 From: ravage at einstein.ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:39:26 -0500 Subject: The Register - America brainwashed... Message-ID: <3ACA6D3E.E30F53E4@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18079.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ravage at ssz.com Tue Apr 3 17:41:30 2001 From: ravage at ssz.com (Jim Choate) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 19:41:30 -0500 Subject: The Register - Fear and loathing in small town America Message-ID: <3ACA6DBA.3F725636@ssz.com> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/18069.html -- ____________________________________________________________________ Beware gentle knight, there is no greater monster than reason. Miguel de Cervantes The Armadillo Group ,::////;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'///// ``::>/|/ ravage at ssz.com www.ssz.com .', |||| `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From sandfort at mindspring.com Tue Apr 3 20:03:22 2001 From: sandfort at mindspring.com (Sandy Sandfort) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:03:22 -0700 Subject: Seth Finkelstein, reluctant cypherpunk? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Declan and Jim both seemed to have missed the point about Cypherpunks. I've attended physical meetings, off and on, since meeting #2 or #3 in the Bay Area. I'm not uncomfortable being called--or calling myself--a libertarian, but one of the first things that the meetings revealed was that we had attendees from all corners of the political arena. And as a result, we soon saw that nothing would ever get discussed--much less done--if we focused on our political DIFFERENCES instead of our community of interest. What is that community of interest? It is the fight for privacy, against those who would deny it to us, primarily through technological (as opposed to political) means. As long as we all kept our eyes on that prize, we had no problem getting along. When we got diverted into other areas of politics/philosophy we ended up accomplishing nothing. So, do the participants of this list wish to actually get something done with regard to securing privacy, or shall we just spin our wheels in internecine warfare? S a n d y From e_shaun at extropy.org Tue Apr 3 20:12:38 2001 From: e_shaun at extropy.org (E. Shaun Russell) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ray Kurzweil to Participate In Extro-5!! Message-ID: ******RAY KURZWEIL KICKS OFF EXTRO-5!!!****** Greetings! We are extremely pleased to announce that Ray Kurzweil, author of _The Age of Spiritual Machines_ and the forthcoming _The Singularity is Near_ will be participating in Extro-5! Ray has gone to great lengths to ensure that we will be able to conduct a 2 & 1/2 hour state-of-the-art videoconference on the afternoon of Friday, June 15th. Ray has agreed to speak for 40 minutes about his forthcoming book. After this, all registrants will have the opportunity to interact with Ray Kurzweil through various means, including a lengthy question and answer session. This videoconference is tentatively scheduled to begin at 1:00 PM PST on Friday, June 15th. For those of you who have registered but cannot arrive by that time, we will soon be creating a method for you to send Ray Kurzweil questions that you would like answered. His responses will be available later in the conference. In addition to the above, KurzweilAI.net will be an official sponsor of Extro-5, and Ray Kurzweil will be providing all of the videoconferencing arrangements and necessary personnel. Ray also plans to have the videoconference taped for broadcast on the above website, as well as for later in the conference itself! So for those of you who have not yet registered for Extro-5, here is one more major reason to do so! To register (and see other confirmed speakers), please go to http://www.extropy.org/ex5/extro5.htm , the official conference website. For any other questions or comments, please feel free to contact me at e_shaun at extropy.org. P.S.: For those who have not yet heard, David Friedman and Ronald Bailey will also be attending Extro-5. Check the above website regularly for updates! ************************************************************************** Subscribe to Freematt's Alerts: Pro-Individual Rights Issues Send a blank message to: freematt at coil.com with the words subscribe FA on the subject line. 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