CDR: Why Free Speech Matters

Duncan Frissell frissell at panix.com
Thu Sep 28 03:58:59 PDT 2000


At 07:20 PM 9/27/00 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>It has to do with that term 'free' or 'freedom' you keep throwing around.
>Your application does not do justice to the meaning of the term.
>
>The reality is that 'freedom' means (even in crypto-anarchy circles) the
>right (note that word Timmy) to engage in whatever behaviour one chooses
>so long as it is consensual and doesn't abridge anothers right to
>expression.
>
>Trying to 'shun' somebody for their non-invasive behaviour (e.g. two dykes
>kissing in a ball park) is the peak of anti-freedom. If a person really
>respects freedom it is more than 'freedom for me but not for thee'.
>
>The kissing of the girls was nobodies business, in or out of the park in a
>FREE society.
>
>Tim, you're a bigot and a hypocrite.


Now James, you've been hanging around libertarians enough to know that 
their extreme notion of freedom includes property rights which involve the 
right to exclude anyone without a pre-existing contract right to use or be 
on the property.  Thus a stadium owner excluding lesbians or a lesbian bar 
excluding men are both perfect examples of liberty.

To hold otherwise would mean that property didn't exist.  I want the right 
to exclude anyone from my property (government agents for example).

DCF  





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