CDR: Re: -C-P- Re: would it be so much to ask..

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> Asymmetric <all at biosys.net> wrote:
> > As for my being naive as you claim in a second here, who is really being=
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> > naive here?  You think that just because the remailer doesn't maintain an=
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> > active database of nym mappings that it's immdiately impossible for it to=
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> > be reversed?  You implicitly trust anyone who says "here, use my remailer=
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> > I guarantee it's anonymous?"  Get with the program.  One fucking line on =
> a=20
> > console, in a firewall rule, anywhere along the way could fuck you into=
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> > losing your anonymity, unless the message was sent encrypted to the=20
> > remailer, and that's just to start with.

> You should read up on Type 1 and Type 2 remailers.  Both involve
> encryption.  In the case of Type 2 remailers, you only need to trust
> one in the chain that you use in order to be sure that your identity
> is securely hidden.

> > I think that using a forged header is just as reliable as using an=20
> > anonymous remailer, and just as anonymous if done right.  There is no "po=
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> > 25" hack involved.  It's as simple as setting whatever email software you=
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> > use to use X as it's smtp server, and then entering a nonexistant return=
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> > address somewhere else.  At best, you'll be totally anonymous.  At worst,=
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> > as is the case with any remailer, some log somewhere could exist that a=
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> > connection to the server took place from w.x.y.z and may even contain the=
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> > to and from addresses used.  In general though, sysadmins are very stupid=
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> > and seldom go to the trouble of logging this kind of information for=20
> > successful email messages.. typically only failures are logged.

> Wrong again.  By default in versions of sendmail since 4.9, all sent
> mails are logged right along with the failures--and this includes the
> IP address from which the connection was made to the SMTP server.
> Simply setting your SMTP server is not nearly enough.  If 'they' have
> the IP address from which the mail was sent, 'they' have you.  As I
> said above, please read up on Type 1 and Type 2 remailers before
> making such outrageous claims.

> > So what is more naive?  To assume the fact so plainly evident in everyone=
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> > face that the vast majority of sysadmins out there are lazy and stupid an=
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> > then just pick one at random and do as I suggested

> Finding open relays that don't do logging is difficult at best.

> > "anonymous remailers" that make an outright claim to be anonymous, but th=
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> > you have no way of verifying?

> As I said above, in the case of the Type 2 remailer, you only have to
> trust one server in the chain, and presumably you can find one that
> you're likely to trust not to disclose information to the people from
> whom you want to hide your identity.  In the case of a US national,
> for example, post through a remailer in a country that the US doesn't
> like much--there are plenty of those--and you're fine.  That, or trust
> that, for example, the MIT LCS remailer is reasonably secure (and it
> is--I know the person who runs it), and make sure it's in your chain.

> > very good chance at hitting something

> Again, I ask you to produce an example of an open relay that you are
> reasonably sure does not do logging.

> > I made a suggestion.  You people that responded so caustically maybe are=
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> > tired of hearing the same suggestion over and over again.  I'm tired of=
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> > getting spam that wastes my time, my bandwidth, space on my mail server,=
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> > and any other number of various and sundry resources.

> So please filter, and don't complain.  Or unsubscribe.  It's the
> responsibility of new readers to peruse the archives.  If you had done
> so, you would not have angered those who have heard this argument 10^9
> times.

> > If I "whine" about getting spam... well so be it.  Just know that you all=
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> > whine about my messages, with far more useless messages, and far less=20
> > reason to be at all upset.

> No.  The people of the list expect that you have gone over the
> archives so that what you say is not repetitive and a waste of time
> and bandwidth.  If a bit of time and bandwidth spent now can reinforce
> the practice of archive reading before you post, then it is well
> spent, and is, in the long run, a net savings of both bandwidth and
> time.

> --
> Riad Wahby
> rsw at mit.edu
> MIT VI-2/A 2002

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