CDR: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
!Dr. Joe Baptista
baptista at pccf.net
Fri Sep 15 01:06:12 PDT 2000
Thank you. I will get this information to you promptly. I have to ask a
third person to do it for me. Thank you very much Judi and God bless you.
regards
Joe Baptista
http://www.dot.god/
dot.GOD Hostmaster
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jodi Hoffman wrote:
> If you're serious, send it. We own a law firm. Furthermore, a lot of
> the cases we handle are pro bono, especially when children are involved.
> We would help in any way we can. What you say doesn't surprise me.
>
> !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:
> >
> > People don't seem to understand what free speech is all about. You might
> > be interested in knowing Jodi that Hitlers Germany had one of the most
> > progressive free speech policies in the world. You could say whatever you
> > wanted to say, provided it was authorized by the state.
> >
> > I don't support free speech because it's the fashionable thing to
> > do. Free speech is the basic right of all. The content of that right is
> > irrelevant.
> >
> > Now - you spending alot of time on the sex angle here. I don't think you
> > understand what freedom of speech means. If I were to tell you that I had
> > personal knowledge of the rape by canadian politicians and senior
> > bureacrats of young boys from fort lauderdale during the 60, 70, 80's -
> > and that these rapes and further investigation of those who abuse these
> > children is being intentionally suppressed by senior police officers and
> > law officers in Canada - how would you react to this?
> >
> > Now here's the kicker. I have all of that knowledge and I am prevented by
> > court order from exposing any of these people. You can thank Judge
> > William Browne of the Ontario Court for that.
> >
> > It's people like you who are willing to deny others rights who end up
> > taking away my rights to expose these political child molesters.
> >
> > Would you like to follow up with the investigating officer in fort
> > lauderdale and verify this? You talk a big talk Jodi - now do you have
> > the passion to walk the walk and help these former kids. Just let me know
> > and I will phone someone who will forward you a URL. We don't want to
> > break our court order you understand ;-)
> >
> > regards
> > Joe Baptista
> >
> > http://www.dot.god/
> > dot.GOD Hostmaster
> >
> > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jodi Hoffman wrote:
> >
> > > You are wrong to protect them without knowing what they're about, Jay.
> > > Their motto is, "Sex before eight, or it's too late." They are
> > > referring to grown men having sex with an under-eight year old little
> > > boy. Surely you don't mean to suggest that a website promoting
> > > intercourse with a little boy should be protected speech, do you?
> > >
> > > Jay Holovacs wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You miss the point... I have never read their site, I do not intend to.
> > > > That is immaterial.
> > > >
> > > > I am addressing the other issue, that your crowd too is protected by free
> > > > speech rights even though there are plenty who would like to hold you
> > > > responsible for crime against gays and abortion providers.
> > > >
> > > > jay
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm at attglobal.net>
> > > > To: Jay Holovacs <holovacs at idt.net>
> > > > Cc: Lizard <lizard at mrlizard.com>; Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com>;
> > > > <fight-censorship at vorlon.mit.edu>; <cypherpunks at cyberpass.net>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:45 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
> > > >
> > > > > Jay Holovacs wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT
> > > > the
> > > > > > same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they
> > > > > > advocate violence to children)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, please. Anal sex with an eight year old child is not violent?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Remember, Jodi, the *same* law that should be protecting their speech
> > > > > > protects you and your allies from being prosecuted each time a gay is
> > > > > > murdered or an abortion clinic bombed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > jay
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm at attglobal.net>
> > > > > > To: Lizard <lizard at mrlizard.com>
> > > > > > Cc: Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com>;
> > > > <fight-censorship at vorlon.mit.edu>;
> > > > > > <cypherpunks at cyberpass.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:56 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ah, the Lizard slinks to the support of child rapists and
> > > > > > > murderers. Don't sacrifice my child on the altar of the First
> > > > > > > Amendment, Liz. I'm sure if it were your son, you would feel
> > > > > > > differently.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
> > > > > the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy
> > > > > R.A.M.P.-Restore America's Moral Pride
> > > > >
> > > > > Jodi Hoffman R.A.M.P. http://www.gocin.com/ramp
> > > > > Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America
> > > > > 2805 E. OAKLAND PARK BLVD., SUITE 122 FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA 33306
> > > > > TELEPHONE (954) 567-0698 TeleFax (954) 630-2280
> > > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
> > > the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy
> > > R.A.M.P.-Restore America’s Moral Pride
> > >
> > > Jodi Hoffman R.A.M.P. http://www.gocin.com/ramp
> > > Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America
> > > 2805 E. OAKLAND PARK BLVD., SUITE 122 FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA 33306
> > > TELEPHONE (954) 567-0698 TeleFax (954) 630-2280
> > >
>
> --
> "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
> the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy
> R.A.M.P.-Restore America’s Moral Pride
>
> Jodi Hoffman R.A.M.P. http://www.gocin.com/ramp
> Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America
> 2805 E. OAKLAND PARK BLVD., SUITE 122 FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA 33306
> TELEPHONE (954) 567-0698 TeleFax (954) 630-2280
>
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