CDR: Re: Re: Ho to KICK OUT Junkbusters users
Igor Chudov
ichudov at Algebra.Com
Tue Oct 31 10:01:29 PST 2000
Yep, it is the fact that my conversation programs are stateless that
makes the situation most appalling.
But the point it, the illusion that Splotchy (see www.algebra.com)
is a human is created because a lot of humans participate in
conversations without even keeping their own "state". Remarks like
"oh realy", "that's terrible", etc etc, are stateless form of
conversation.
igor
Alex B. Shepardsen wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Oct 2000, Igor Chudov wrote:
>
> > > Has anyone had cybersex with your incarnation of G W Bush? [shudder]
> > >
> >
> > yep, numerous times. the funny thing is that the "AI" program that is
>
> I don't know who's more screwed up: the people who attempt cybersex with
> your AI GWB, you for programming the AI to respond to people initiating
> cybersex, or us for finding it fascinating that this occurs.
>
> [snip]
>
> > My experience with splotchy and georgewbush illustrates ridiculousness
> > of most human conversations.
>
> [snip]
>
> > Answer: I like talking to you
> > User: so do i
>
> I had the opportunity several years ago to have dinner with author Gentry
> Lee. We discussed the state of employment in the coming century if it
> presented a future where automation was ubiquitous.
>
> Lee hypothesized that less than 10% of the population would be employed at
> any given time. All labor and services that could be done by machines and
> computers would be. (This was about the time that NeXT Cubes were running
> the NeXT manufacturing plant, and everyone found that so amazing...) The
> intelligentsia would become the working class. Humans would only need to
> "work" as architects of the automation system. People in these roles would
> work for a small period of time, but spend most of their lives unemployed.
>
> He predicted that the unemployed masses would spend their time in reality
> simulation programs, living out fantasy lives. This had the benefit of
> limiting the visible effects of overpopulation, crime, and other social
> problems. He presented this as a utopian view of the future.
>
> I disagreed for two main reasons. I didn't see it likely that 10% of the
> world's population would be interested in working to support the other
> 90%, without receiving something in return. (_The Matrix_ was still a few
> years from being released, so the thought of using people as a fuel source
> hadn't occurred to me. I did suggest that perhaps a Soylent Green type
> scenario might provide some justification for such a lop-sided burden
> on this working minority, but not enough.) I don't recall that Lee had any
> really solid answer to this argument.
>
> The other issue I had, and the one that applies to this thread, is that I
> found it impossible to believe that AI personalities and VR environments
> would have developed far enough to provide systems capable of passing the
> Turing test [is there an equivalent test for VR systems? A user should
> not be able to distinguish between VR and reality... ] and thus the 90%
> of idle masses would not be content to be fed brain candy, rotting their
> lives away in computer generated fantasies.
>
> I'm becoming convinced that I was wrong.
>
> I've heard of people dropping out of college because they have spent too
> much time on text-based MUDs. I've seen teenagers go into debt so that
> they could spend most of their waking moments in the arcades.
>
> And now, I've read a transcript of a person getting herself off through a
> text conversation with a stateless program designed to emulate one of the
> most boring presidential candidates in years.
>
> People like this would be more than happy to embrace Lee's virtual reality
> existence, and would be more than willing to exist on the donations
> provided by the productive few. I doubt they would be motivated enough to
> cause any trouble for this plan.
>
> Our "human rights" measures are counteracting the natural protections
> against laziness and stupidity. The human species is in trouble if people
> like "User" breed.
>
> God, I hate welfare.
>
>
- Igor.
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