CDR: Esther's reply on spamming

[Bill Stewart]

>To: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart at pobox.com>
>From: edyson at edventure.com (Esther Dyson)
>Subject: Re: Were you really spamming people?  I'm surprised.
>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:14:13 -0500
>
>You might as well. It won't fix anything, I'm sure, but at least I had the
>courage to respond. And what I say below is the truth; we still do talk
>about this internally and I'm not sure what's the ideal approach.  (A number
>of people *do* say what you said: It's interesting to know what I'm up to.
>I respond to everyone who responds to the mailing other than bounces.)  So,
>yes, I'd be happy to engage in argument (as opposed to flaming). 
>
>Esther
>
>At 10:42 AM 10/29/00 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
>>Esther - thanks.  Actually, no need to remove me; while I'm not
>>going to subscribe to Release 1.0, it's still interesting to know
>>what you're doing.  Is it ok if I forward your mail on to Cypherpunks,
>>or alternatively to Tim?
>>
>>	Thanks; Bill
>>
>>At 08:37 AM 10/29/00 -0500, Esther wrote:
>>>Your definition may vary, but yes, we sent out a mailing to people who one
>>>way or another have given me cards, corresponded with me, etc.  I don't
>>>honestly know how Tim got onto our list, but we'll take him off right away.
>>>
>>>In fact, as you can see below, we invite people to ask to be removed,
and if
>>>they do,  we remove them immediately.  (It's nicer when they ask us
>>>directly, but we'll treat this as a removal request from both you and Tim!)
>>>
>>>And yes, this troubles me a little, but overall I am more concerned about
>>>the use of confidential data to invade someone's privacy, than about the
>>>issue of spam.  (I get enough of it, especially over ICANN, to know that
>>>it's annoying.....but harmless.) I'm on record that people should (and
will)
>>>be able to filter their own spam, but that they do need to be able to rely
>>>on promises of confidentiality when they deal with others. That's a
somewhat
>>>different issue.  
>>>
>>>Esther
>>>
>>>At 01:21 AM 10/29/00 -0700, Bill Stewart wrote:
>>>>Hi, Esther - this message got sent to the Cypherpunks list,
>>>>and several other people pointed to references about you sending out
>>>>advertising email to people other than your conference attendees
>>>>or people who'd requested more information.
>>>>I'm really surprised - it doesn't sound like something you'd do.
>>>>
>>>>Also, I tried to check out the release1-0.com web site,
>>>>and it said something about the RPC server being too busy.
>>>>
>>>>	Thanks; Bill Stewart
>>>>
... [Tim's message, deleted]
>>>
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>>>
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				Thanks! 
					Bill
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