CDR: Fwd: Re: Data havens...

Tim Manspin aijp at yahoo.com
Sat Nov 4 02:54:44 PST 2000


--- Benjamin Reeve <breeve at IBM.NET> wrote:
> Date:         Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:13:46 -0500
> Reply-to:     Law & Policy of Computer Communications             
> <CYBERIA-L at LISTSERV.AOL.COM>
> From:         Benjamin Reeve <breeve at IBM.NET>
> Subject:      Re: Data havens...
> To:           CYBERIA-L at LISTSERV.AOL.COM
> 
> Yes.  Absolutely.  I would similarly argue that the better "data
> haven" is
> not a distinct "site" of any kind but a structure, indeed in the case
> of a
> network, a network distributed structure.
> 
> People appear not to create such things just because people minds
> think
> according to particular conventionalities, most of them phyiscalistic
>  The
> same set of presuppositions that gives us an auction "site" (e-bay)
> when
> the nature of the thing sought be to accomplished is a market/network
> thing
> (everybody gets a buy/sell client just as everybody gets an e-mail
> client
> and a network marketplace develops), gets people to think that the
> way to
> make informational "havens" is mostly like the way physical safes and
> vaults (and closets and...) work.
> 
> Every informational thing must be embedded in a physical thing and to
> take
> out the physical entity is to compromise the information embedded in
> it,
> true enough.  But that does not mean that informational things act,
> or are
> "protected," in the way physical things are.
> 
> The data havens of the moment appear organized to attract the
> physicalistic
> mindset, not the genuine dynamics of what might be informtional
> protection.
> 
> 
> At 09:28 AM 10/31/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Bill Stewart [mailto:bill.stewart at POBOX.COM]
> > >Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:39 AM
> > >To: CYBERIA-L at LISTSERV.AOL.COM
> > >Subject: Re: Data havens...PH-B
> > >
> > >
> ><snip>
> >
> > >Havenco is playing different games - providing a location for
> > >servers running traffic analysis protection,
> >
> >To help thwart traffic analysis, shouldn't havens also become loci
> for the
> >origination of spam and for popular free sites (porn, sports,
> whatever) to
> >generate lots of basically benign in- and out-flow, within which the
> >"substantive" messages of folks who really need a haven can hide?
> >
> >Chris S.
> >
> >
>
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