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Bulk rates of 100, 1000, and 10,000 are available --------------------------------------------------------------------- If you wish to be removed from our mailing list, please call 1-800-374-6477 ext. 2420. From mixmaster at remail.obscura.com Sun Mar 1 04:29:34 1998 From: mixmaster at remail.obscura.com (Mixmaster) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 04:29:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: HP Crypto Hardware Message-ID: <199803011211.EAA24273@sirius.infonex.com> With regard to: > Hewlett-Packard Granted License For Encryption System > > The Commerce Department has granted Hewlett-Packard an > export license for its VerSecure encryption architecture... > The catch is that the products must take their orders > from a central computer...will dictate how...products > will behave in each country. No fucking way! > The company hopes that the solution would break the > deadlock between the Clinton Administration...and the > computer industry... "The company hopes that its solution of a gun that will shoot forward in jurisdictions that allow possession of firearms and backward in jurisdictions that prohibit same will break the deadlock between overweening, self-inflated, scum-sucking, dog-fucking, shit-brained totalitarians and those seeking nothing more than to be LEFT THE FUCK ALONE." Whores! Two-dollar whores! 25-cent whores! HP can stick its encryption card and everything else it makes straight up its mercenary ass. HP just created a powerful incentive for a lot of very capable and creative people to see to it that HP products don't exactly shine in the marketplace, if you get my drift. > The new solution effectively disconnects the problem > of distributing encryption technology from the process > of determining the policy for government access to > information. Wonderful! That's like selling nerve gas that calls Washington to ask permission before it deploys. Stupid, stupid, STUPID fucking assholes! > The heart is a new class of trusted hardware cards and > chips that take their orders from a central company > known as a Security Domain Authority or SDA. In countries > like France that require people to keep a record of keys > for unlocking data, the SDA would only allow the computers > to encrypt information if it complied with the laws. The communists were right on one point. Capitalists will sell them the rope that will be used to hang them. And hang their children. Stupid, stupid, STUPID! > In countries with no laws about encryption usage like > the United States, Germany and Great Britain, the SDA > would allow users to encrypt in whatever manner they > choose. Yeah, _today_. And what about _tomorrow_, you astronomical fuckwits? What about when the USG decides that with this neat mechanism in place they will just advise Slavery Central that citizen-units in the US may no longer encrypt things "in whatever manner they choose?" Names. We need names publicized. Who thought of this monstrous product? Who approved it? Who developed it? Who signed off on it, saying, "Yeah, this will really make our stockholders proud! Who gives a shit if their kids and grandchildren live under the iron fist of a U.S. technocratic dictatorship? We're gonna score a few points here, make a little extra bonus this year, lock it in with a couple of patents... Who cares if we all end up with brainchip implants?" > Hewlett-Packard sees the solution as a win for the > industry, which will be able to build one set of > hardware and software that can be shipped throughout > the world. The SDA's will set the local rules because > the computers will not encrypt information without > first getting permission from the SDA. This is too abominable for words. It's the ultimate sell-out. I know now that there is no hope, not even a spark of the flame of freedom to illuminate the gloom into which we are headed. What's the use of being a well-behaved citizen-unit when this kind of utter shit is afoot or underfoot? It's war. It's always been war, we just haven't understood that it was war. The other side has understood it from the start. > Doug McGowan, one of the director of Hewlett-Packard's > efforts, said in a telephone interview, "Never before > has a general purpose cryptography tool been exportable > from the United States, with or without key recovery. > We're opening a huge market for American industry to > enable commerce on a worldwide basis." !!! Some justification, eh Doug? Hey Doug! When they ask for cerebral implants that explode on command, will you offer a similar product that checks with Citizen Control Central before detonating, to make sure the target is in a country that authorizes it? "Hey, no problem!" says Doug. "Our new CerebSecure will only explode heads in countries like Iran, Iraq, Cuba, and North Korea when people attempt to make unauthorized purchases with its electronic purse feature. In countries with no laws about political or religious transactions like the United States, Germany^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H and Great Britain, the SDA would allow users to purchase in whatever manner they choose." > The price for this flexibility is the need for > specialized hardware that treats the SDA as its > master. In an ordinary computer, the owner can > control all aspects of what the computer does. > This extra hardware will raise the price of machines > and is bound to be more expensive than software which > can be distributed at minimal cost. Yeah, this is just the kind of thing that Americans, even with their severly dulled sense of freedom, will run right out to buy! Sure. First we can expect to see the feds mandate this for all government purchases, then at some point mandate the chipset for all computers, then outlaw encryption that doesn't use the chipset. And I don't even own a crystal ball anymore! > Feisal Mosleh [said], "...It...gives us a lot of > strength in terms of tamper resistance." OK, I give up. Where is the tamper resistance for the Constitution? Is anybody working on that? HEL-lo???? FuckWithMeMongerII From business at checkfax.net Sun Mar 1 07:03:43 1998 From: business at checkfax.net (business at checkfax.net) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:03:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: AD: Complete Checks by Fax Software Message-ID: <199803011503.HAA05521@toad.com> Did you know that over 125 Million people in the U.S. have checking accounts? Out of those people over 70 Million DO NOT have a credit card.. Now, YOU can tap into this huge customer base by using Checker. 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This is a 24 hour phone number to place a CREDIT CARD order. 5) FAX A COPY of your signed check to 530-895-8470. This is an EXCELLENT way to order without a credit card! Electric Email is a private company and is not affiliated with, or endorsed by, AOL, MSN, or any other Internet Service Provider. Copyright 1998 All rights reserved Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Amendment I, The US Constitution :-) From stevehall at csi.com Sun Mar 1 16:38:07 1998 From: stevehall at csi.com (Michael Hall) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 16:38:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: I'd like to join your mailing list... Message-ID: <01bd4573$52367c60$b1aaaccf@p2> ��� I read about your mailing list in The Happy Mutant Handbook, and I am inclined to get on the list.� Address is stevehall at csi.com . From paladin at lvcablemodem.com Sun Mar 1 17:42:23 1998 From: paladin at lvcablemodem.com (Eric Tune) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:42:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fw: Missing the Big Picture Message-ID: <001b01bd457c$5e918be0$2a06ea18@paladin.lvcablemodem.com> William H. Geiger III said: > I have noticed that many members of the list are missing the "big >picture" when it comes to fighting censorship. > >While I support the various efforts to combat the numerous attacks on >personal liberties world wide it is all for nought unless we push for >fundamental changes in government. > >There is an old saying: "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts >absolutely". > >So long as we have Statist governments (fascists, communist, socialist, >they are all the same) we will suffer a never ending infringement of our >basic civil liberties. You can not give a government overwhelming powers >to control every minute aspect of our lives and not expect them to use it >AS THEY SEE FIT. > >We go on wining little battles over this law or that law only to be losing >the war. Every year governments become more powerful, more repressive, >and are freedoms are curtailed even more. We need to strike into the belly >of the beast, and rip out it's hart. We must remove it's power to tax, to >regulate, to control only then will we be free. > >Not only must we castrate this beast leaving it a shell of it's former >self but we must stop being children and act like free men. We must be >willing to stand on our own and take our destinies into our own hands. We >must resist running to Big Brother every time we have a problem like a >small school boy running to mommy when he scrapes his knees. > >It is far better to try and fail as a free man than to have never tried at >all living the life of the slave. > >-- Well said William, very well said. Free men must cooperate in their own defeat, refuse to cooperate, refuse to give in, and you will not lose. In the end, tyranny will fall. In the history of our civilizations, all governments have eventually failed, regardless that they may have had noble intent in their beginnings, and they have fallen. So have each succeeding government after them. They fail because when times passes, decades or centuries (doesn't matter) the average citizenry becomes accepting and complacent while said government becomes more and more abusive, excessive, impulsive, and corrupt. Finally, those people who can no longer tolerate this from those who would call themselves their rulers, rise to the occasion and the now festering, malignant government is torn down. Unfortunately, the cycle repeats itself. The U.S. government has lasted this long only due to the freedoms guaranteed by our Constitution, but it still has been following in the tracks as all the previous governments before it. In lasting longer than any other constitutional form of government, it is now so corrupt that at this point only 1 of 2 things can really happen: a 2nd American Revolution, and hopefully a new start and (for the time being) a change for the better, or total Fascism, and the last remaining freedoms people have will be quickly extinguished. I don't want to live in a socialist environment. I don't want somebody telling me how to raise my children, and I don't want someone telling me I'm a criminal because I don't want to let the government read what I have to say. It doesn't "Take a Village" and it doesn't take Big Brother.... it takes freedom, ingenuity, drive, determination, self-worth, cooperation, and dedication to build something better. Scream to your Senators and Representatives, as loud as you can, we all must do what we can, or we will be lost, and as William said, in perpetual, permanent slavery, with no privacy, no rights, and no hope for a self-determined future. To hell with that. Eric J. Tune -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: pgp00000.pgp Type: application/octet-stream Size: 339 bytes Desc: "PGP signature" URL: From blazer at mail.nevalink.ru Sun Mar 1 18:02:32 1998 From: blazer at mail.nevalink.ru (Mike) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:02:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: Newbie pgp question Message-ID: <34FA122A.74E4@mail.nevalink.ru> Hi guys, I've got a question - may be it is FAQ, the please point me. I need - well, it sounds funny - to crack PGP-encrypted text ;) I have secring.pgp but not the keyphrase - does it make things easier or not? I also have pgpcrack99.zip (DOS-version, zip means that I unzipped it for the 1st time :) But I guess it will take megahours with big dictionary - and it will cover only single words, not sentences. Please, can somebody introduce me a little? TIA PS. I also know few words in that file, may be even phrases. -- ******************************************* Mike Blazer blazer at mail.nevalink.ru ******************************************* From billp at nmol.com Sun Mar 1 18:18:56 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:18:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: sick feeling Message-ID: <34FA16FB.3668@nmol.com> Subject: Halabja, Iraq and what you wrote Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:58:39 -0700 From: bill payne To: L E Banderet Sunday 3/1/98 6:33 PM Lou Got your stuff on Saturday. Patty and I both commented on the picture of your lovely new wife. And I was pleased that you had authored or co-authored 85 publications. This is what I was supposed to train you for. Patty and I watched 60 Minutes tonight and what happened in Halabja, Iraq. The IMMEDIATE and LONG TERM effects of a combination mustard and sarin gas attack on genetics. Last night I transcribed some of your and you co-authors' words. Volume 9, Number 4, 1997 MILITARY PSYCHOLOGY The Official Journal of the Division of Military Psychology American Psychological Association Special Issue: Effects of Chemical Protective Clothing of Military Performance Guest Editors: Gerald P. Krueger and Louis E. Banderet Psychological Aspects of Chemical Defense and Warfare James W. Stokes U.S. Army Medical Department Center and School Fort Sam Houston, Texas Louis E. Banderet U.S. Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine Natick, Massachusetts Concerns about chemical, biological, or radiation (CBR) weapons and their potential for warfare can be very stressful. Such concerns subject people to unfamiliar threats in highly ambiguous situations, in which people feel they may be wronged or they are helpless. Maladaptive psychological overreactions or underreactions may result. Such reactions to chemical warfare are illustrated with the experience from World War I, the 1991 Persian Gulf War, and the 1995 terrorist attack in the Tokyo subway. General principles of psychology suggest strategies and tactics for training and materiel development that should enhance military performance and reduce maladaptive stress in CBR threat situations. Some of these practices may be relevant to nonmilitary law enforcement and relief agencies that manage CBR threats. page 395. Now I transcribe some of the more relevant stuff. Effects of Chemical Protective Clothing on Military Performance: A Review of the Issues Gerald P. Krueger Star Mountain, Inc. Alexandria, Virginia Lous E. Banderet U.S. Army Research Institute of Environmental Medicine Natick, Massachusetts This review in this special issue of Military Psychology on the effects of chemical protective clothing (CPC) on military performance provide a historical perspective on continued anxieties over likely use of battlefield chemical-biological weapons and summarizes significant concerns of military personnel weaning CPC in training and combat. This review describes pschophysiological stresses such protective ensembles have on personnel and how these affect military performance, and it summarizes major military psychological research program on the effect of wearing CPC. This article reviews what is known about wearing CPC, describes future CPC developments, and identifies domains for improved military training with CPC. MEDICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECT OF C-B WEAPONS There are many medical, physiological and psychological reactions from exposure to chemical-biological (C-B) weapons. Many bio-warfare agents and most chemical weapons are designed to interfere with function of the nervous system and to disrupt normal control of vital organ systems that sustain life. For example, the more common chemical war nerve agents involve organophosphate compounds, similar to insecticides, that inhibit cholinesterase enzymes throughout the body. Because cholinesterase hydrolyzes acetylcholine where ever liberated, this inhibition results in excessive concentrations of acetylcholine at various sites - from the ending of the parasympathetic nerves to smooth muscles of the iris, ciliary body, bronchi, gastrointestinal trace, bladder, and blood vessels; to secretary gland of the respiratory tract' and to endings of the sympathetic nerves to sweat glands (Newhouse, 1987; Simmons et at 1989). Exposure to large amounts of nerve agent may lead to loss of muscle control, twitching, paralysis, unconsciousness, convulsions, coma, and even death. The most common cause of death after acute exposure is respiratory arrest. Death may occur within minutes or take several hours. In terms of psychological functioning, moderate but nonlethal exposure to nerve agent produces severe impairment in cognition, vigilance, memory and language. Acute intoxication produces confusion, drowsiness, and difficulty in concentration (Newhouse, 1987). These impairment make it difficult to continue to perform may soldier tasks. Effects on cognition may persist after only a slight exposure. Performance improvement appears to correlate with the body's regeneration of acetycholinesterase, usually requiring several months. Neurophysychological testing (Newhouse, 1987) reveals that chronic exposure to organophosphates significantly impairs higher mental function requiring use of the frontal lobes, particularly the left lobe. Organophosphate poisoning selectively impairs memory of recently learned information, and this impairment is likely related to cholinergic involvement in the memory processes. The effects include defects in long-term memory, visual searching, and response alteration - effects similar to those caused by a frontal lobotomy. In chronically exposed individuals, speed of task performance and overall cognitive efficiency also declines. Persistent visual impairments are reported in workers poisoned with anticholinesterase insecticides, and acute poisoning impair oculomotor function. Poisoning with nerve agents may also cause psychiatric disturbances such as depression. Use of C-B weapons results not only in large number of physical casualties on the battlefield by in may psychological casualties as well. Concern over the mere threat that C-B weapons might be used raises battlefield anxiety of combatants and can produce a level of fear disproportionate to that evoked by countless alternative conventional battlefield means of killing or maiming, such a with guns, artillery, and bombs. Such anxieties can create large numbers of psychological stress casualties contribution to unit ineffectiveness on the battlefield and combat losses. Such adverse emotions may also cause posttraumatic stress disorders after combat ceases. DEVELOPMENT OF COUNTERMEASURES FOR THE COMBAT THEATER Modern military forces recognize the C-B weapons can be the attention-getting equivalent of a poor country's nuclear weapons. Such weapons can be counter-acted, however, and concerned nations prepare their forces to preserve their health and safety against C-B warfare. ... THE THREAT OF C-B WARFARE Although biological warfare was used centuries ago by the Romans and was used in the 14th century by the Tartars, who catapulted plague-infected bodies into cities under siege (Hewish, 1997), military forces have made scant use of biological warfare in modern times. The more recent innovation of chemical warfare dates to 1914 when the French used tear gas against unprotected German forces, who in turn introduced chlorine and phosgene in 1915 and mustard gas in 1917 against the British, who sustained 14,000 casualties in 3 months (Hewish, 1997). May World Ware I soldiers were grotesquely injured or died in gas war trenches in France and Russia; Russia's gas casualties exceed a half million, including 50,000 fatalities (Westerhoff, 1980). In 1925, many countries signed a Geneva Protocol prohibiting first use of chemical and bacteriological weapons. However, during the 1930s, several countries, notably Germany, encouraged chemists to develop chemical weapons as a by-product of insecticide research production. By World War II, Germany and powers stockpiled huge caches of chemical, but probably due to fear of in-kind retaliation, chemical weapons were not used in World War II. After the war, Germany's organophoshporous arsenal fell into Russian hands, and for the next 50 years, military forces relegated C-B warfare efforts to relatively quiet development programs for future battlefields. Since World War II, C-B weapons have been employed several times on a relatively small scale. In the 1970s, the Vietnamese used chemical and "yellow rain" biological agents in Cambodian jungles, the Soviets used chemical in Afghanistan (U.S. Department of State, 1980), Iraq used sulfur mustard and other chemical in the Iran-Iraq conflict (1979-1980), and Iraq used chemical in 1980 - this time against its own people, the northern Kurds (Stuteville, 1997). There have been periodic threats to use chemical weapons on a grand scale. In the 1970s, the Warsaw Pact possessed huge stockpiles of chemical weapons ( mostly soman, cyanide, and mustard gas), and Soviet chemical warfare teams openly conducted extensive training in gas warfare tactics. Such readiness for large scale C-B warfare was underscored in the Persian Gulf War of 1991, as Iraq threatened to use chemical (sarin) and biologicals (anthrax spores) against coalition forces and possibly against neighboring cities in Saudi Arabia and Israel (Begley, Barry, & Hager, 1991). By January 1991, Saudi Arabia had predug 50,000 graves planned for burying civilian (noncombat) casualties expected to succumb to Iraqi chemical poisoning from anticipated rocket attacks on Saudi cities oraerosols drifting from the battlefields (Kaplan, 1991). Although Iraq did not unleash such chemical, and the battles were ultimately short, many U.S. military personnel may been exposed to chemical during the March 1991 destruction of Iraqi weapon stockpiled (mostly sarin) near Khamisiyah, Iraq (Stuteville, 1997). The U. S. government continue to investigate whether exposures to chemical agents may have contributed to the so-called Gulf War illnesses experienced by many U.S. military veterans of that encounter. Exposure of soldiers to multiple chemical and and environmental stressors may be linked to psychophysiological illnesses that manifest in symptomatology such as disabling fatigue, insomnia, malaise, joint and muscle pains, skin sores, hair loss, and gastrointestinal and respiratory difficulties (Brown & Priest, 1996). Others asset that U.S. military personnel were exposed to Iraq chemical warfare from Scud missiles, artillery and aircraft (Stuteville, 1997) PUBLIC CONCERN Open, frank, public news of existent military chemical stockpiles, proliferation of chemical or biological weaponry, and periodic 'saber-ratting' threats to use such weapons amplify world public concerns over the enormity of what someday could be a horrific chemical or biological calamity. Unprotected civilian populations fear they may be deliberately attacked by chemical and biological weapons or inadvertently by aerosol warfare agents drifting into populated areas of a battlefield. Disastrous incident like the one in 1984 at a chemical actory in Bhopal, India, which killed over 2,000 people and sickened countless others, sensitized citizenry to the lethal potential of such chemical compounds. In 1995, terrorist attacks on the Tokyo subway, and news media discussion of possible use of nerve agents in terrorist disruption of public gathering like the 1992 and 1996 Olympics, heightened Public fears over such chemical incidents have become almost visceral. News of recent advances in genetic technologies (Dando, 1997) suggest use of future biological weapons with unprecedented insidiousness and specificity is possible. Moreover, the mass media and media expert sources remind the public that the United States may not be adequately prepared or trained to defend itself against chemical or biological warfare (Beal, 1997). ... I got a sick feeling when Hans Buehler phoned from Zurich on why he was jailed in the Evin prison in Tehran. 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GWB Scott Balson Web master Pauline Hanson's One Nation web site From bill.stewart at pobox.com Mon Mar 2 00:26:08 1998 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 00:26:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Newbie pgp question In-Reply-To: <34FA122A.74E4@mail.nevalink.ru> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980302002230.0092c210@popd.ix.netcom.com> At 04:58 AM 3/2/98 +0300, Mike wrote: >I need - well, it sounds funny - to crack PGP-encrypted text ;) >I have secring.pgp but not the keyphrase - does it make things easier or not? >I also have pgpcrack99.zip (DOS-version, zip means that I unzipped it >for the 1st time :) But I guess it will take megahours with big >dictionary - and it will cover only single words, not sentences. >Please, can somebody introduce me a little? Remember how PGP works: PGP picks a random session key, and encrypts it with the public key of the recipient (using RSA or a Diffie-Hellman version), and encrypts the message with the session key. The recipient's private key is encrypted with the passphrase for the private key and stored in secring.pgp. When the recipient wants to decrypt the message, they type their passphrase into PGP, which decrypts the private key from the secring and uses it to decrypt the session key from the message, and uses the session key to decrypt the message body. The session key is long, and you won't crack it. RSA depends on factoring big numbers, and if the user has a 512-bit public key or a longer public key _you_ won't be able to crack it. (The KGB might*, and a distributed internet crack might, but you won't.) But the passphrase for decrypting the private key from the secring file is picked by the user - some users use short stupid keys, and other users use long difficult keys, and short stupid keys can be cracked. The user needs to protect their secring file, to prevent this attack, but if you have their secring, you can try to crack it. If this is your _own_ secring, and you can't remember your passphrase, it's easier, because you probably know what words you use in passphrases, so your dictionary can be short and the crack can be fast. If you stole somebody else's secring, or somebody else store yours, then you have to guess what kind of dictionary to use. This only works for the recipient's secring - if you steal the sender's secring, even if you crack their passphrase, it doesn't help, because that's only used when somebody sends them messages, or when they sign messages (and now you can forge them.) *I assume you're not the KGB or Mafia, because then you would just beat up the guy until he gives you the passphrase. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639 From wombat at mcfeely.bsfs.org Sun Mar 1 11:33:29 1998 From: wombat at mcfeely.bsfs.org (Rabid Wombat) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 03:33:29 +0800 Subject: AnyWho puts a reverse phone book on the Net In-Reply-To: <199802260451.UAA01651@rigel.cyberpass.net> Message-ID: I tried one of these when tracking down some dial-in system abuse being perpetrated by an ex-employee. It occurred to me that with the right hardware, a simple perl script could launch a cruise-missle strike in response to a dial-in to a phone number ... ;) (for a good time, call 1-555-2nukeme) food for thought for the paranoids and/or x-files fans. On Wed, 25 Feb 1998, Ross Wright wrote: > From: > > T a s t y B i t s f r o m t h e T e c h n o l o g y F r o n t > This issue: < http://www.tbtf.com/archive/02-23-98.html > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > ..AnyWho puts a reverse phone book on the Net > > And personal privacy slips a bit more > > If you live in the US and your phone number is listed, visit this > site [25] and type in your number. AT&T's AnyWho will return your > name and address. Is your street name linked? If so, click to see > names and numbers for all of your neighbors. Want a map to your > house? It's one click away. (Like most such maps, however, the > correspondence of street address with map location can be wildly > wrong.) 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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Mon Mar  2 17:28:15 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (bill.stewart at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:28:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Radio Frequency Warfare Hearing
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980228131755.00718780@pop.pipeline.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980302125612.007e55f0@popd.ix.netcom.com>


At 08:17 AM 2/28/98 -0500, John Young wrote:
>We offer the lengthy prepared testimony at the Joint 
>Economic Committee hearing February 25 on "Radio Frequency 
>Weapons and Proliferation: Potential Impact on the Economy."
>  http://jya.com/rfw-jec.htm  (112K)

John!  You can't do that!  That's putting bomb-making information
on the Internet!  It's safe to have it in government hearing documents,
where only technically incompetent Congresscritters will read it,
but by letting the public know, you're facilitating right-wing 
conspiracies and anarchists and terrorists and teenage kids
and all those other dangerous people getting access to weapons
of low-mass destruction!

On a slightly more serious note, I'm surprised from the
excerpts of the description that the $500 of parts would
generate enough joules of electrical energy induced into
sensitive parts of computer equipment in some reasonable range
to do a lot of damage.
				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Mon Mar  2 17:28:30 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (bill.stewart at pobox.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:28:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: I was auto-outed by an IMG tag in HTML spam
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980220184839.008d4b50@popd.ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980302124517.008b7260@popd.ix.netcom.com>


At 09:02 AM 2/21/98 -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote:
> > > 1. HTML in mail: There is just no place for this crap in e-mail. 
> > HTML is a fine format for email.  It's ASCII readable, and supports
>Yes but who needs all this crap in e-mail??
>E-Mail is a messaging protocol not a protocol for large documents 

Nonsense.  E-Mail is an interface for mailing stuff to people,
and an email system that can't handle large documents is broken.
In particular, the MickeysoftMail view that the contents of a message
belong in attachments rather than message body is broken
(it's partly due to myopia, and partly because some of the popular
Windows GUI programming widgets can't handle more than 32KB.)

>I must admit that atleast MS Outlook follows the RFC's and makes use of
>multipart/alternative when sending out HTML formated messages so others
>are not forced to use a webbrowser to read their mail (unlike Net$cape or
>Eudora).  There is no place for HTML in e-mail plain and simple.
>I do not wan't to have to load a huge bloated bugfilled webbrowser 
>just to process my e-mail messages.

First of all, you don't need a web browser to read HTML.
Eudora doesn't use one - it displays it natively.
(If you attach an HTML attachment rather than putting HTML in the body,
then you need an HTML viewer (which may or may not be a web browser), 
but that's the same as needing a text viewer to view text attachments.)
	(Netscape _is_ a huge bloated buggy web browser, and you could
	argue about whether it needs to have a mailreader hung off the side,
	but it's helped them with their market share, and if you
	don't like it, use Eudora.)

Furthermore, HTML is written in ASCII, and designed to be human-readable,
and designed so the user can choose how to display it -
HTML viewers are supposed to display documents in the user's preferred
formats given the limitations of the display device.
If you like Netscape or IE 4.x browsers to view HTML, use them, 
but if you'd prefer Lynx for a lean, mean browser, 
or MSWord or another viewer like HoTMetaL, go ahead.

Some people like to send rich-text attachments.  HTML is a much better
standard for doing that than some MS proprietary format.
Most of the rich text mail I get at work is in proprietary MS formats,
(most of it that I get at home is SPAM :-), which means I need to use
a buggy bloated word processor to read it, except when Exchange
feels like using its Outlook Evil Twin to display the stuff,
but it's somewhat pleasant to have colors and fonts available.


>>Netscape mail is adequate for many people, just as Eudora is. 
>>Newer versions are pretty bloated, but including 
>>S/MIME mail encryption for everybody is a Good Thing.
>Now this is really scary. You consider pushing weak 40bit S/MIME on the
>internet users a GoodThing(TM)?  I think you need to sit down and rethink

40 bit?  Not good, but domestic versions are supposed to support 128;
maybe they don't in practice.  (NS 3.x was bloated enough that I haven't
upgraded to 4.x)   And getting people in the habit of using
crypto is a good thing.  

				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





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From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Mon Mar  2 19:26:28 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:26:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Is CDMF secure?
Message-ID: <199803030324.EAA18619@basement.replay.com>



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Thanks.

        






From jya at pipeline.com  Mon Mar  2 19:31:16 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:31:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Bioweaponeers
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980303033445.010a4ea0@pop.pipeline.com>


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From blazer at mail.nevalink.ru  Mon Mar  2 21:13:37 1998
From: blazer at mail.nevalink.ru (Mike)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:13:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Newbie pgp question
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980302002230.0092c210@popd.ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <34FB90E2.F5F@mail.nevalink.ru>


Bill Stewart wrote:
Thanks Bill for very good explanation.

> *I assume you're not the KGB or Mafia, because then you would just
> beat up the guy until he gives you the passphrase.

O-o! You are well informed in what is going on! The "guy" is in fact
pretty girl - one man's secretary, so those methods are not for this
case. But may be I'd better brute force her instead of her secring? :)
-- 

*******************************************
Mike Blazer
blazer at mail.nevalink.ru
*******************************************





From pleontks at hotmail.com  Mon Mar  2 21:18:47 1998
From: pleontks at hotmail.com (Perrin .)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:18:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Shave Slaughter '98
Message-ID: <19980303051804.28157.qmail@hotmail.com>


I have shut down all paint factories in the area.  Shaving cream war!!  
Pshhhhhh... splat!  Ha ha!  Who's laughing now?!  I own all of the 
shaving cream companies!  I own all of their stocks!  Shave Slaughter 
'98 has started.  Prepare to die.

Hairface

-------------------
I'm assuming it's the same rules as Paint War - Perrin
------------------
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From sandfort at crl.com  Mon Mar  2 23:11:04 1998
From: sandfort at crl.com (Sandy Sandfort)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:11:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: COSTUME BALL
Message-ID: 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                          SANDY SANDFORT
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Cypherpunks,

It's that time again.  My next gala costume ball is March 14th.
You are invited.  The full invitation is at:

		http://www.c2.net/~sandy/98mar.htm

Please read the invitation carefully.  The devil is always in the
details.

This notice is being sent via the Cypherpunks Announce List.  If
you don't want to be on the list, DON'T e-mail me.  I can't get
you off the list.  To get off the list, send e-mail to:

		majordomo at toad.com

As the first line of the message, write:

		unsubscribe cypherpunks-announce

Hope to see you on the 14th.

Regards,


 S a n d y

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Mon Mar  2 23:57:10 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:57:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Is CDMF secure?
In-Reply-To: <199803030324.EAA18619@basement.replay.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980302235528.008dc220@popd.ix.netcom.com>


>Is CDMF secure?  and, What sort of algorithm is it?  Thanks.

CMDF is a version of DES watered down to 40-bit key strength.
I think IBM was to blame; it was designed for exportability.

It makes Louis Freeh feel secure, I guess, but it's not
useful for data that needs to be secure.
				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:33:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: LOWER YOUR CHILD SUPPORT!!!
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under employment, and unforeseen or unexpected expenses.

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of an attorney.  Even worse, fathers that employ an attorney to assist them in trying to 
obtain a child support reduction end up having to explain to the court why they can
pay an attorney and not pay child support. 

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professional license.  As well, owing child support can ruin your credit rating and 
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can cause you to be jailed or imprisoned. Ignorance or inaction could totally ruin your life!

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From afabbro at umich.edu  Tue Mar  3 01:12:07 1998
From: afabbro at umich.edu (andrew fabbro)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 01:12:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Hard Drive Encryption Packages Comparison (Win 95)
Message-ID: 



	Windows 95 Hard Drive Encryption Packages Comparison
        ----------------------------------------------------

  by Andrew Fabbro  
  3 March 1997

I've had several requests to post this to the cypherpunks list, and I'm
also posting it in the newsgroups where I originally asked for software
suggestions.  This list only compares FEATURES -- I have not done any
independent analysis of these products' claims and have not even tried
the evaluation copies of all of them.  This was originally just for my
own reference -- I've cleaned it up a bit but it isn't exhaustive, or
necessarily fair.

I'm sure there are other packages-- if you think I've left something
significant out, please let me know.  I'd also appreciate any
corrections or giggles at obvious errors in thought.

After getting some feedback/corrections, this will eventually be put on
the Web.

----------
DISCLAIMER
==========

I am just a Doc-Martens-and-earrings cypherpunk, not a security
consultant!  I am not a professional cryptologist, nor a Windows 95
expert.  You should NOT take my opinions at face value -- you should
evaluate these products yourself.  This list is just designed to give
you some starting points and save you some leg work.  Of course, I take
no responsibility, make nor warranties, blah blah...

----------------------------------------
INTRO: EXPLANATION OF LISTINGS AND TERMS
========================================

These packages all provide interface functionality beyond the simple
file-by-file encryption available with, say, PGP.  Either they provide
a drive interface or they allow you to designate a list of files which
are then transparently or automatically de/encrypted in some fashion.
If you have only a few files or anticipate only temporary or infrequent
de/encryption, then PGP or something similar would probably suffice.

I've separated this list into two categories using my own made-up
terms: Virtual Volume programs and File List programs.  VV programs
make a large file on your hard drive which is transparently available
to Win95 as a drive (similar to the way DriveSpace/DoubleSpace works).
Once you authenticate and mount the drive, everything else is
transparent.

With File List programs, you designate a list of files or folders that
you want encrypted.  The encryption package then en/decrypts these
either on-the-fly as you access them, or in bulk at boot-time/
shutdown-time.  Most offer individual file/folder manual operation as
well.  Unlike Virtual Volume programs, which pretty much all operate
the same way, there is a greater variation in interface with File List
programs, so evaluate closely before purchase.

In practice, the difference between Virtual Volume and File List
programs is not that great: you type your password once at login and
everything else is handled by the software.  The only difference is
that with File List programs, you have to designate files or folders,
which might be a more frequent task than designating a single drive.
On the other hand, all of your sensitive files may live in only a few
directories anyway, and File List programs let you place these
files/folders anywhere on your system, mingled in with non-encrypted
files.

There were a few packages which appear to operate in a truly manual
mode -- you decrypt before opening and then encrypt when you're
finished with the file (assuming you don't forget, or become lazy).  If
you're going to do this, just use PGP, which is likely already on your
system already, you little cypherpunk, you, and offers CAST, IDEA, and
Triple-DES.  Packages with manual-mode operation are under
"Manual-Operation Packages" at the end.  Norton is so vague about the
operation of "Your Eyes Only" on their web page that it is listed in
this section.

"Preview" refers to an evaluation copy-- if one is available for
download (be it crippleware or whatever), this field is marked Yes.

----------------
MY PERSONAL PICK
================

I'm still evaluating, but will likely settle on Kremlin.  Even though
virtual volumes seem easier to me, Kremlin has one must-have feature I
haven't found elsewhere: it addresses the Windows swapfile issue.
Windows' swapfile has raw hunks of memory swapped out to disk, which
which could contain anything from any open file.  These swapfiles are
not reliably deleted at shutdown-time, or in the event of a system
crash, and in any event Windows certainly doesn't securely (DoD-style)
delete them.  Some snooper with a boot disk, file recovery utility, and
hex editor could stop by and read previous memory images...talk about
data leakage.

None of these packages allow you to encrypt the swapfile while Windows
is running, but Kremlin's Sentry does the next best thing.  At
shutdown-time, it securely deletes the swapfile and other temp files,
wiping the drive DoD-style.  The fact that Kremlin's design was
obviously thought out from the perspective of an integrated platform
and took this issue into account gives me a warm fuzzy feeling.  Also,
Kremlin offers the most diverse array of algorithms and has some nice
extras, such as a secure Recycle Bin, which is easier to use than
having to remember to run a special secure delete command from the
context menu.  And it's only $35!

If I were administering a site-wide encryption program, I might choose
something that was designed for that environment and offered more
administrative options.  I've made notes on packages which address this
situation and its issues.

----------
SIDE NOTES
==========

BLOWFISH was specifically designed to be fast in software
implementations on 32-bit processors and would likely be the fastest
algorithm you can pick.  I've not noticed any lag when using
BLOWFISH-based systems on a 486-66 w/32MB RAM (hardly a fast machine).

Some publishers only specified a "Genuine RSA Encryption Engine,"
displaying a RSA-licensed logo.  This isn't snake oil, but I'd sure
like to know more about the crypto.

-----------------------
VIRTUAL VOLUME PACKAGES
=======================

Product      : BestCrypt
Manufacturer : Jetico, Inc.
Type         : Virtual Volume
Crypto       : BLOWFISH, GOST, DES
Features     : timeout close, hotkey close, secure delete
Cost         : $89.95
Preview?     : Yes - 30 day trial, after expiration, volume becomes read-only
Web          : http://www.jetico.sci.fi/np_new.htm
Notes        : Joel McNamara (Private Idaho's author) picks this for
	       his Cryptobook specification (see
	       http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/cryptbk.html).  A
	       completely free and very well-designed DoD-spec file
	       deletion utility is available at Jetico web site, too,
	       as a separate freeware package (BCWipe - get it!)


Product      : SafeHouse
Manufacturer : PC Dynamics
Type         : Virtual Volume
Crypto       : BLOWFISH, FAST, DES/Triple DES
Features     : Configurable passwords/expirations, optional key recovery,
               C++ developer's toolkit available.
Cost         : $79.95
Preview?     : Yes - free trial version with 40-bit DES
Web          : http://www.pcdynamics.com/SafeHouse/
Notes        : key recovery is optional- you can choose to "brand" the
	       volume or not.


Product      : Private Disk (in beta)
Manufacturer : Private Data, Inc.
Type         : Virtual Volume
Crypto       : Not specified - "strong" versions for US/Canada
Features     : 
Cost         : not listed
Preview?     : Beta participation program
Web          : http://www.privatedata.com/
Notes        : I mention this only for die-hard cypherpunks who want
	       to try new toys and might be interested in beta
	       participation.


------------------
FILE LIST PACKAGES
==================

Product      : Kremlin
Manufacturer : Mach5
Type         : File List
Crypto       : CAST, IDEA, BLOWFISH, RC4, Safer SK-128, DES, and NewDES
Features     : Automatic Decrypt/Encrypt at Login/out, includes a secure
               text editor/e-mail package, secure Recycle Bin, Sentry
               program to automate swap/temp/other-file wiping.
Cost         : $35
Preview?     : Yes
Web          : http://www.mach5.com/kremlin/
Notes        : This is a very nice package and my personal pick -- see
	       my notes in the intro.


Product      : RSA SecurePC
Manufacturer : Security Dynamics, Inc.
Type         : File List 
Crypto       : RC4
Features     : Trustee threshold key recovery system, boot lock, screen lock,
               network support, password expiration/rule management
Cost         : Not listed, and I was too lazy to make a phone call to find out
Preview?     : Yes
Web          : http://www.securitydynamics.com/solutions/products/securpc.html
Notes        : The key-recovery system is very well-thought out and
	       involves trustee thresh-holds -- i.e., you can decide
	       that three (or seven or whatever) administrators'
	       signatures are necessary to recovery a key...prevents
	       malicious admins' snooping.  The admin support (for
	       site-wide usage) is also nice.  This product was
	       formerly published by RSA, who now licenses it to
	       Security Dynamics.  This looks like a very well-designed
	       package with many extras for group-use situations,
	       though more crypto options would be nice.


Product      : SecureWin
Manufacturer : Cipher Logics 
Type         : File List
Crypto       : RSA Public.  No further details were specified.
Features     : SecureWin is more of an integrated security environment
	       than just a hard drive encryptor -- it also includes
	       secure deletions, e-mail integration, a password keeper,
	       etc.  There is an extensive access-control facility.
	       Operates via a "secure Start menu," a taskbar add-on.
	       Network support.
Cost         : $29.95 
Preview?     : Yes - 30 day evaluation download.
Web          : http://www.securewin.com/ 
Notes        : Very well done from a user interface point of view and
	       has numerous cool add-ons.  I wish more information was
	       given on the crypto and its implementation.


Product      : F-Secure Desktop
Manufacturer : Data Fellows
Type         : File List 
Crypto       : Triple-DES ("168-bit"), BLOWFISH
Features     : 
Cost         : $99
Preview?     : No
Web          : http://www.datafellows.com/f-secure/desktop/
Notes        : Normally, you specify a set of folders/files to be
	       de/encrypted at login/out.  Alternatively, you can list
	       files as "Top Secret," which means you must manually
	       de/encrypt them via context menu.


Product      : DataGuard
Manufacturer : Secure Services Link, Ltd.
Type         : File List
Crypto       : IDEA, SEAL
Features     : extensive class-based access control, trustee-threshold
               key recovery system
Cost         : $69
Preview?     : No
Web          : http://www.sls.net/dataguard_v2.html
Notes        : The class-based access control lists appear to offer
	       highly configurable access control: classes of data
	       (e.g., workgroup or by sensitivity or whatever), with
	       access rights offered by right to select users.  You can
	       also set "minimum eyes" thresholds for groups-- e.g.,
	       all members or certain members must be present for
	       access to be given.  Encryption or decryption rights can
	       be separated.  This would be very nice for site-wide
	       situations, except...the basic package does not offer
	       network support.  "Pro" and "Net" packages which do are
	       slated for April '98 release.


-------------------------
MANUAL-OPERATION PACKAGES
=========================

Product      : SAFE Folder
Manufacturer : GlobeTech Catana
Type         : File List, Semi-Manual
Crypto       : BLOWFISH
Features     : 
Cost         : $58.75
Preview?     : Yes - password fixed to "DEMO"
Web          : http://www.globetech.se/safe/
Notes        : From the web page, I infer that you have to manually
	       de/encrypt files.  It can operate at a folder level,
	       which is at least some improvement over file-by-file
	       operation.  I didn't see any reason why this product
	       would be better than any of those listed above.


Product      : Your Eyes Only
Manufacturer : Norton (Symantec)
Type         : File List, Manual?
Crypto       : It uses a "Genuine RSA Encryption Engine".
Features     : boot-time lock, screen lock, uses context menu,
               network support
Cost         : $89.95
Preview?     : No
Web          : http://www.symantec.com/yeo/index_product.html	
Notes        : I couldn't tell if this operated in some sort of
	       transparent or automatic fashion like other file list
	       programs, or if you had to encrypt/decrypt each folder
	       manually.  A screen shot shows a user using a context
	       meny that has "Enable SmartLock Folder" and "Disable
	       SmartLock Folder," which implies some non-manual mode of
	       operation.  E-mail to Symantec asking for more
	       information (and details on their crypto) went
	       unanswered.  There is also an administrator's version of
	       this program.


Product      : Stealth Encryptor
Manufacturer : Tropical Software, Inc.
Type         : File List
Crypto       : BLOWFISH, DES ("64-bit")
Features     : installable crypto modules (via .DLL, development kit 
               available), secure delete, e-mail integration
Cost         : $34.95
Preview?     : Yes
Web          : http://www.tropsoft.com/stealth/
Notes        : This package's unique feature is its support for
	       drop-in crypto modules.  Theoretically you could write
	       your own .DLL with another crypto system of your choice
	       and Stealth Encryptor would integrate it.  If you have a
	       burning desire to do this, you might look into this.  SE
	       also features "Stealth Media Encryption" which is "super
	       speed" for image files, executables, etc...presumably
	       with weaker crypto.


Product      : SecureStore 
Manufacturer : Selom Ofori
Type         : Manual
Crypto       : BLOWFISH, DES/Triple-DES, CAST, RC4, Diamond2 
Features     : 
Cost         : $30
Preview?     : Yes
Web          : http://www.freeyellow.com/members/renegade/
Notes        : SecureStore creates archives into which you can
	       place files.  From what I saw on their web site, to
	       access aid files, you have to pull them out of the
	       archive again.  While the screen shots show some nice
	       displays (e.g., which crypto used, compression ratio,
	       etc.), this mode of operation does not appeal to me.


Product      : Pretty Good Privacy (PGP)
Manufacturer : PGP, Inc. (well, Network Associates now, I guess)
Type         : Manual
Crypto       : CAST, IDEA, Triple-DES
Features     : Too many to list.
Cost         : Free
Preview?     : Yes
Web          : http://www.pgp.com/
Notes        : Listed just for the sake of completeness.  And it's
	       not at all bad for manual encrypt/decrypt -- version 5.5
	       has a nice toolbar and tray interface.  But you'll want
	       it for all the other messaging features anyway...








From E.J.Koops at kub.nl  Tue Mar  3 02:18:28 1998
From: E.J.Koops at kub.nl (Bert-Jaap Koops)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 02:18:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crypto Law Survey updated
Message-ID: <62D6BE0479@frw3.kub.nl>


I have just updated my survey of existing and envisaged cryptography
laws and regulations. See the Crypto Law Survey at
http://cwis.kub.nl/~frw/people/koops/lawsurvy.htm

This update includes:
-update on European Union (ETSI on TTP; Eckhert statement; 
     COM (97) 503 "not important"; Birmingham conference), 
     Council of Europe (PC-CY), Belgium (law amended),
     Canada (crypto policy discussion paper), France (Lorentz report),
     Gemany (Sandl statement; no backdoor in Pluto), Israel (export
     revision), Netherlands (proposals to extend decryption command;
     TTP project; encrypt to "seize"; use remains free), Scandinavia
     (PSS no longer Nordic), United Kingdom (policy announcement
     delayed; SfL resolution), United States (interim export rule;
     California resolution; czar travels; Compsec Enhancement Act;
     Kerrey McCain revised; AES conference) 
-corrections on Estonia (controls were reported), Switzerland (telecom > radio)
-clarification on Wassenaar Arrangement (General Software Note),
     Germany (export), Israel (case-by-case decisions), Sweden
     (Internet export), US (SAFE versions) 
-URL added to Canada (gov PKI), Hong Kong (export)

Kind regards,
Bert-Jaap

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From JWRCLUM at aol.com  Tue Mar  3 06:24:12 1998
From: JWRCLUM at aol.com (JWRCLUM)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 06:24:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Medical Privacy Alert
Message-ID: 


AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION OF MASSACHUSETTS
99 Chauncy Street, Suite 310, Boston, MA 02111
(617) 482-3170  Fax (617) 451-000


CONTACT:	John Roberts
(617) 482-3170     http://users.aol.com/mcluf/home.html

BENNETT-JEFFORDS BILL PLACES MEDICAL RECORD PRIVACY AT RISK

	The confidentiality of the doctor-patient relationship will be totally
undermined as medical records become widely available without patient
knowledge or consent.	

	BOSTON - February 27, 1998.   On Thursday 2/26/98 the United State Senate's
Labor and Human Resources Committee heard testimony concerning a bill proposed
by Senators Bennett and Jeffords that, if passed, would license the widespread
disclosure of personal medical information contained in files held by doctors,
hospitals, employers, educational institutions, and others.
	The bill which purports to be a privacy bill is, in fact, just the opposite.
It places virtually no restrictions on the disclosure of personal medical
records within health care entities (no matter how large and geographically
widespread) or to a long list of other entities and agencies including the
following:  
	-  any agents or contractors of the health care entities 
	-  Public Health Agencies, Oversight Agencies
	-  Health Care Accreditation Agencies
	-  State Health Care Databases

There are major loopholes in access provisions for
	-  Health Care Researchers
	-  "Outcome" analysts ("cost/benefit" analysts for hospitals, HMO's,
insurers, etc)
	
	Even law enforcement agencies will have easy access to browse computerized
medical record systems for so-called "legitimate" investigatory purposes.
This will make every American's medical record part of a new massive law
enforcement database.
	The bill will destroy the confidential "doctor-patient relationship" and
replace it with a new "patient-health care industry relationship."
	"This bill serves only the interests of the burgeoning health care industry,"
said John Roberts, Executive Director of the ACLU of Massachusetts.  "It
allows the transfer of your medical records to many entities that stand to
profit from its information.  Gone is doctor-patient confidentiality.  Your
doctor cannot protect your most sensitive medical information from many
entities outside your medical facility.  Even employers who have health plans
are considered 'health care providers' in the Bennett-Jeffords bill.  How many
of us want our employers to have access to any of our medical records without
our knowledge or consent?"  
	The bill will also
	-  Impose requirements that patients sign blanket consent forms for release
of information as a condition of getting treatment, even for self-pay patients
	- Redefine "treatment" to make the patient's record a subject of continuous
research
	- Blur the boundaries between individual patient care and the so-called
"Population Management" and "Disease System Management"
	The bill will pre-empt all state laws which may be more protective of the
confidentiality of medical records.
	The bill will not apply even its own minimal privacy protections to so-called
"non-identifiable" medical records information.  But...interestingly, the bill
also refers to issuing "keys" to re-identify previously purportedly "non-
identified" information.  A formal logical analysis of this reveals that the
bill itself admits that what it calls "nonidentifiable" medical record
information is actually identifiable (i.e. containing patient information).
	The ACLU of Massachusetts believes that what is really needed for medical
privacy protection would be the following:
	-  Federal law should set a foundation or floor of privacy protection
	-  State laws which are more-protective of patient's rights should not be
preempted 
	-  No "Unique Patient Identification Numbers"
	-  No electronic "linkage" of patient records stored in various sites
	-  Computerized patient records must be encrypted with keys provided only to
those directly involved in the individual patient care
	-  The right of the individual patient to contract directly with physicians
and health care providers regarding the privacy of the patient's medical
records.

	-end-







From b093161c at bc.seflin.org  Tue Mar  3 09:08:58 1998
From: b093161c at bc.seflin.org (Michael Camp)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:08:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: 



help b093161c at bc.seflin.org






From honig at otc.net  Tue Mar  3 11:38:51 1998
From: honig at otc.net (David Honig)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:38:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Radio Frequency Warfare Hearing
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980228131755.00718780@pop.pipeline.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980303110231.007f1270@otc.net>


At 12:56 PM 3/2/98 -0800, bill.stewart at pobox.com wrote:
>At 08:17 AM 2/28/98 -0500, John Young wrote:
>>We offer the lengthy prepared testimony at the Joint 
>>Economic Committee hearing February 25 on "Radio Frequency 
>>Weapons and Proliferation: Potential Impact on the Economy."
>>  http://jya.com/rfw-jec.htm  (112K)
>
>John!  You can't do that!  That's putting bomb-making information
>on the Internet!  

Its not bomb-making, its destructive testing apparatus :-)

>On a slightly more serious note, I'm surprised from the
>excerpts of the description that the $500 of parts would
>generate enough joules of electrical energy induced into
>sensitive parts of computer equipment in some reasonable range
>to do a lot of damage.

Wasn't he talking about EMI, not actual frying of chips (e.g.,
puncturing the 100's-of-nm-thick gate oxides in MOS)?
I read only the excerpt, but isn't a spark gap used for 
generating a broad spectrum, including fairly high
frequencies (think tesla coil)?  

Digital circuits don't like transients in their signals.
High frequency RF is invasive.
Capacitors are cheap.



------------------------------------------------------------
      David Honig                   Orbit Technology
     honig at otc.net                  Intaanetto Jigyoubu

"Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is
always a vice." ---Thomas Paine







	
















From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Mar  3 11:58:47 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:58:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Original Sources for Echelon
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980303200229.010ba928@pop.pipeline.com>


Duncan Campbell has posted the message below on Echelon. 
Would anyone happen to have a copy of the 1988 New Statesman
article? If not, I'll dig it out of a library. More importantly, as 
Duncan asks, does anyone know of other original info on Echelon?

----------

Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 23:35:59
To: ukcrypto at maillist.ox.ac.uk
From: Duncan Campbell 
Subject: Original sources regarding the ECHELON sigint network

>>The New York times has recently run a story regarding a "telecommunications
>>interception network" operating in Europe.
>>My recollection is that news broke about this some time last year, thanks
>>to revelations in New Zealand. Sorry, I don't have a good reference to
>> hand.


The original and primary source for information on ECHELON is an article I
wrote in New Statesman magazine ten years ago : NS, 12 August 1988 :
"They've got it taped".  

In 1991, a UK World in Action programme added an important new detail about
the network, namely the presence of a DICTIONARY computer (a key part of
the system) at  GCHQ's processing centre in Westminster.  

In 1993, I produced a documentary for Channel 4 - "The Hill" which related
ECHELON to the work of the Menwith Hill NSA field station near Harrogate in
Yorkshire.  

In 1996, Nicky Hager in New Zealand described in his book "Secret Power"
the presence of DICTIONARY computers at two New Zealand sigint stations,
and gave extensive details of the local programming and tasking of the
ECHELON "dictionaries".  

Apart from these sources, so far as I am aware all the reports that are
around are derivative and reprocessed.  The European Parliament STOA
committee report from the "Omega Foundation" is in this category and was in
fact submitted rather more than a year ago.  If anyone is aware of any
other *original* publication on this topic, could they post it. The arrival
in the public domain of original information in this area is a rarity, yet
is the foundation for the only things we "know" about the scale of NSA/GCHQ
surveillance and processing. 

Duncan Campbell 







From pleontks at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  3 17:08:01 1998
From: pleontks at hotmail.com (Perrin .)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:08:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fwd: Thoughts
Message-ID: <19980304010725.7222.qmail@hotmail.com>



Not So Deep Thoughts

Should vegetarians eat animal crackers?
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
The pen is mightier than the sword -- if the sword is very small and the
pen is real sharp.
If  you throw a cat out a car window, does it become kitty litter?
Call me insane one more time and I'll eat your other eye!
I didn't fight my way to the top of the food chain to be a vegetarian.
When it rains, why don't sheep shrink?
The two biggest problems in America are making ends meet and making
meetings end.
Stupidity got us into this mess.  Why can't it get us out?
The trouble with doing nothing is that you never know when you are
finished.
Money isn't everything, but at least it encourages relatives to stay in
touch.
If a stealth bomber crashes in a forest, does it make a sound?
A single fact can spoil a good argument.
Growing old is mandatory, but growing up is optional.
I do whatever my Rice Krispies tell me to.
Why do we sing "Take me out to the ball game" when we're already there?

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From pleontks at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  3 17:22:57 1998
From: pleontks at hotmail.com (Perrin .)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 17:22:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fwd: Taglines
Message-ID: <19980304012223.18225.qmail@hotmail.com>



   ***    Some Funny Taglines    *****

2 rules to success in life. 1. Don't tell people everything you know.
A good pun is its own reword.
A penny for your thoughts; $20 to act them out.
After silence, music comes closest to expressing the inexpressible.
Alcoholic:  Someone you don't like who drinks as much as you do.
All things are possible, except skiing through a revolving door.
Any man who can see through women is sure missing a lot.
Apathy Error:  Don't bother striking any key.
Blessed are the censors; they shall inhibit the earth.
Budget: A method for going broke methodically.
Can you think of another word for "synonym"?
Circle:  A line that meets its other end without ending.
Civilized people need love for full sexual satisfaction.
Cole's Law: Thinly sliced cabbage.
Conscience is what hurts when everything else feels good.
Consider what might be fertilizing the greener grass across the fence.
Death and taxes are inevitable; at least death doesn't get worse every =
year.
Defeat is worse than death because you have to live with defeat.
Despite the high cost of living, it remains popular.
Does Time pass? Yes, it does. How else can you explain Visa bills?
Don't use no double negatives, not never.
Don't sweat the petty things, just pet the sweaty things.
Don't eat the yellow snow.
Down with categorical imperatives.
Either I'm dead or my watch has stopped. =20
Electricity comes from electrons; morality comes from morons.
Everything in moderation, including moderation.
Familiarity breeds children.
Fast, Cheap, Good:  Choose any two.
Fools rush in -- and get the best seats in the house.
Give me chastity and continence, but not just now.  -- St. Augustine
Have an adequate day.
He has the heart of a little child...  it's in a jar on his desk.
He who dies with the most toys is nonetheless dead.
He who laughs last didn't get the joke.
Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense.
Horse sense is the thing a horse has that keeps it from betting on =
people.
Hospitality:  Making your guests feel at home, even though you wish they 
=
were.
How come wrong numbers are never busy?
I bet you have never seen a plumber bite his nails.
I do a lot of thinking in the john. Says a lot for my thoughts.
I have had a perfectly wonderful evening.  But this wasn't it.  -- =
Groucho Marx
I have seen the future and it is just like the present, only longer.  -- 
=
Albran
I like work; it fascinates me.  I can sit and look at it for hours.
I may not be the world's greatest lover, but number seven's not bad.  -- 
=
Allen
I never forget a face, but in your case I'll make an exception.  -- Marx 
=
I
will meet you at the corner of Walk and Don't Walk.
I never made a mistake in my life.  I thought I did once, but I was =
wrong.
I used to be lost in the shuffle.  Now I just shuffle along with the =
lost.
I want to die in my sleep like my father, not screaming like his =
passengers.
I will always love the false image I had of you.
I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous.
I would like to help you out.  Which way did you come in?
If at first you don't succeed, destroy all evidence that you tried.
If at first you don't succeed, you probably didn't really care anyway.
If at first you do succeed, try to hide your astonishment.
If it wasn't for muscle spasms, I wouldn't get any exercise at all.
If it were truly the thought that counted, more women would be pregnant.
If there is no God, who pops up the next Kleenex?  -- Art Hoppe
If time heals all wounds, how come bellybuttons don't fill in?
If today is the first day of the rest of your life, what was yesterday?
Illiterate?  Write for free help.
In order to get a loan you must first prove you don't need it.
It doesn't matter whether you win or lose -- until you lose.
It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.  -- Albert =
Einstein
It is better to have loved and lost than just to have lost.
It is not an optical illusion, it just looks like one.  -- Phil White=20
It was a brave man that ate the first oyster.
I'll procrastinate...tomorrow.
I'll race you to China.  You can have a head start.  Ready, set, GO!
Keep a very firm grasp on reality, so you can strangle it at any time.
Keep stress out of your life.  Give it to others instead.
Knocked; you weren't in.  -- Opportunity=20
Know what I hate most?  Rhetorical questions.  -- Henry Camp=20
Laugh at your problems; everybody else does.
Laugh, and the world ignores you.  Crying doesn't help either.
Lead me not into temptation.  I can find it myself.
Life is like a fountain...  I will tell you how when I figure it out.
Life is like an analogy.
Make a firm decision now...  you can always change it later.
Male zebras have white stripes, but female zebras have black stripes.
May you die in bed at 95, shot by a jealous spouse.
Money DOES talk -- it says good-bye.
Most of us hate to see a poor loser. Rich winners, though, are worse.
Mr. Bullfrog sez:  Time is fun when you're having flies.
My name is Annie Key. Ouch! Why are you hitting me?!
My mother is a travel agent for guilt trips.
My opinions might have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
Never deprive someone of hope; it may be all they have.
Never put off till tomorrow what you can ignore entirely.
Never forget: 2 + 2 =3D 5 for extremely large values of 2.
Never hit a man with glasses.  Use your fist.
Next time you wave at me, use more than one finger, please.
No prizes for predicting rain.  Prizes only awarded for building arks.
Nobody ever goes there, it's too crowded. (I've actually HEARD this!)=20
Nothing cures insomnia like the realization that it is time to get up.
One good turn usually gets most of the blanket.
Our policy is, when in doubt, do the right thing.  -- Roy Ash=20
Out of the mouths of babes does often come cereal.
People who think they know everything greatly annoy those of us who do.
Politics: n. from Greek; "poli" - many; "tics" - ugly, bloodsucking =
parasites.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.  (Anything in Latin sounds =
profound.)
Radioactive cats have 18 half-lives.
Some people would not recognize subtlety if it hit them on the head.
Someday you will get your big chance -- or have you already had it?
Sometimes you're the bug, and sometimes you're the windshield.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.  -- Sigmund Freud=20
Stealing a rhinoceros should not be attempted lightly.
That was Zen; this is Tao.
The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance.
The trouble with political jokes is that they get elected.
The secret of success is sincerity.  Once you can fake that, you have it 
=
made.
The death rate on Earth is: .... (computing) .... One per person.
The most enjoyable form of sex education is the Braille method.
The number watching you is proportional to the stupidity of your action.
The trouble with being punctual is that no one is there to appreciate =
it.
There are 3 kinds of people: Those who can count and those who can't.
There must be more to life than sitting wondering if there is more to =
life.
They laughed when I said I'd be a comedian. They aren't laughing now.
This aphorism would be seven words long if it were six words shorter.
This will be a memorable month -- no matter how hard you try to forget =
it.
This is the sort of English up with which I will not put.  -- Winston =
Churchill
This sentence contradicts itself: no, wait, actually it doesn't.
To err is human.  To admit it is a blunder.
To err is human.  To blame someone else for your errors is even more =
human.
Toe:  A part of the foot used to find furniture in the dark.  -- Rilla =
May=20
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Under capitalism, man exploits man.  Under communism, it is just the =
opposite.
We aren't sure how clouds form.  But they know, that is what counts.
What is mind?  No matter.  What is matter?  Never mind.  -- Thomas 
Key=20
What if there were no hypothetical situations? --Andrew Kohlsmith=20
When you are in it up to your ears, keep your mouth shut.
When professors want your opinion, they'll give it to you.
Where there is a will, there is an Inheritance Tax.
Why don't "minimalists" find a shorter name for themselves?
Why is "abbreviated" such a long word?
Why take life seriously? You're not coming out of it alive anyway!
Why isn't "phonetic" spelled the way it's said?
Winning isn't everything, but losing isn't anything.
You simply *must* stop taking other people's advice.
You can fool some of the people some of the time, and that is =
sufficient.
You have the capacity to learn from mistakes.  You will learn a lot =
today.
Your lucky number is 364958674928.  Watch for it everywhere.

----------
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From sherman at cs.umbc.edu  Tue Mar  3 20:01:30 1998
From: sherman at cs.umbc.edu (Dr. Alan Sherman)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:01:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Barry Smith (FBI) to speak this Friday at 3:30pm
Message-ID: 


   The UMBC Security Technology Research Group presents

     A Law-Enforcement Perspective on Encryption Policy

			Barry Smith
	       Supervisory Special Agent, FBI

	    moderated by journalist Peter Wayner

		      3:30pm - 5:00pm
		   Friday, March 6, 1998
		      Lecture Hall III
	       University of Maryland, Baltimore County
    http://www.cs.umbc.edu/events/spring98/crypto.shtml

The second lecture and discussion in a two-part forum on
encryption policy.  Journalist Peter Wayner will introduce
and moderate the event, which is free and open to the
public.  In Part I, freedom activist John Gilmore and Fritz
Fielding (Ex-Associate General Councel, NSA) gave their
divergent views, focusing on the Burnstein case.

Barry Smith will articulate the needs of law enforcement to
conduct lawful wiretaps; he will advocate the use of
key-recovery techniques to achieve this end as a way that
provides adequate privacy to law-abiding citizens.

Schedule: The event will begin with a brief (10 minute)
introduction by Peter Wayner.  Following Barry Smith's talk,
which will last approximately 45 minutes, there will be an
opportunity to ask questions for approximately 20-30
minutes.

Questions: Attendees are encouraged to ask questions in
advance by sending email to sherman at cs.umbc.edu

Directions: Take Exit #47B off interstate I-95 and follow
signs to UMBC.  LH III is in the Administration Building,
adjacent visitor's parking lot near the I-95 entrance to
UMBC.  

Host: Dr. Alan T. Sherman
      Associate Professor, Computer Science
      sherman at cs.umbc.edu
      http://www.umbc.edu
      (410) 455-2666

     This event is held in cooperation with the UMBC
	       Intellectual Sports Council
		       Honors College
	       Phi Beta Kappa honors society
                   CMSC Council of Majors
		   IFSM Council of Majors
		ACM Student Chapter at UMCP







From frantz at netcom.com  Tue Mar  3 23:32:30 1998
From: frantz at netcom.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:32:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Is CDMF secure?
In-Reply-To: <199803030324.EAA18619@basement.replay.com>
Message-ID: 


At 11:55 PM -0800 3/2/98, Bill Stewart wrote:
>>Is CDMF secure?  and, What sort of algorithm is it?  Thanks.
>
>CMDF is a version of DES watered down to 40-bit key strength.
>I think IBM was to blame; it was designed for exportability.

Well, to IBM's credit, they didn't call it secure.  They called it a Data
Masking Facility.


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From hvdl at sequent.com  Tue Mar  3 23:51:39 1998
From: hvdl at sequent.com (Unicorn)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:51:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: DDJ Crypto CD has arrived!
In-Reply-To: <34F25310.2A29@ziplink.net>
Message-ID: <19980304083749.53098@sequent.com>


--- On Mar 02, Random User apparently wrote -----------------------------------

> On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Peter Trei wrote:
> 
> > Well, it's finally here.
> 
> It has also arrive in Canada.

So when will it arrive outside of the US and Canada? ;-)

--- and thus sprach: Random User  ---------------------

Ciao,
Unicorn.
-- 
======= _ __,;;;/ TimeWaster (GSM: +31 653 261 368) =========================
     ,;( )_, )~\| A Truly Wise Man Never Plays   PGP: 64 07 5D 4C 3F 81 22 73
    ;; //  `--;     Leapfrog With A Unicorn...        52 9D 87 08 51 AA 35 F0
==='= ;\ = | ==== Youth is not a time in Life, It is a State of Mind! =======






From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Wed Mar  4 01:48:06 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 01:48:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980304014614.00874cc0@popd.ix.netcom.com>


At 12:09 PM 3/3/98 -0500, Michael Camp wrote:
>
>help b093161c at bc.seflin.org
>
>
>
cypherpunks-request at algebra.com
				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





From shamrock at cypherpunks.to  Wed Mar  4 03:08:42 1998
From: shamrock at cypherpunks.to (Lucky Green)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 03:08:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: DDJ Crypto CD has arrived!
In-Reply-To: <19980304083749.53098@sequent.com>
Message-ID: 


On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, Unicorn wrote:

> --- On Mar 02, Random User apparently wrote -----------------------------------
> 
> > On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Peter Trei wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, it's finally here.
> > 
> > It has also arrive in Canada.
> 
> So when will it arrive outside of the US and Canada? ;-)

It hasn't yet? These Cypher Criminals are losing their edge.

-- Lucky Green  PGP v5 encrypted email preferred.
   "Tonga? Where the hell is Tonga? They have Cypherpunks there?"






From declan at well.com  Wed Mar  4 13:16:11 1998
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:16:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Senator plans to ban .gov porn-parodies; new crypto-campaign
Message-ID: 




---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:15:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Declan McCullagh 
To: politech at vorlon.mit.edu
Subject: Senator plans to ban .gov porn-parodies; new crypto-campaign

More on Gates in NYC and the FBI's antihacker crusade is at
the URL below. --Declan

===========

http://cgi.pathfinder.com/netly/afternoon/0,1012,1782,00.html

The Netly News / Afternoon Line
March 4, 1998

Loin-cloth

   One lawmaker who doesn't seem to have much of a sense of humor about
   titillating web sites is Sen. Lauch Faircloth (R-N.C.). When his
   presumably technology-impaired staffer stumbled across whitehouse.com
   and found not Hillary Clinton's child care proposals but a doctored
   photo of Hillary in leather, Faircloth decided to take action. "I plan
   to introduce legislation that would ban the assignment of popular
   government agency names to anyone," he told The Netly News after
   speaking at an Internet child safety seminar this afternoon. "Can you
   imagine how many people have thought they were contacting the White
   House only to see that?" A better question might be which site is the
   more popular one. --By Declan McCullagh/Washington

Might Makes Right

       Congress rarely does the right thing for the right reason.Instead,
   lobbyists vie to make voting the wrong way too politically costly for
   legislators.

       Now a new coalition, called Americans for Computer Privacy, is
   trying out this strategy on encryption legislation. The group of high
   tech firms and nonprofit groups aims to convince lawmakers that
   supporting restrictions on either the domestic use or overseas
   shipment of encryption productions is too politically painful.

       "We would not turn the keys to our front doors over the
   government. Why should we have to turn over the keys to our
   computers?" asked ACP counsel and former White House lawyer Jack
   Quinn.
   
         To convince Americans that ACP's answer is the right one, the
   coalition has gathered together an advisory panel of former spooks and
   law enforcement agents.

       Quinn told the Netly News that his strategy has already won
   results: "Senior officials at the National Security Council and the
   vice president's office" this morning signaled they're willing to sit
   down at the table for a friendly chat about crypto-laws. --By Declan
   McCullagh/Washington









From mkwan at preston.net  Wed Mar  4 15:13:35 1998
From: mkwan at preston.net (Matthew Kwan)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:13:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: DES bitslice S-boxes
Message-ID: <199803042313.KAA10987@preston-gw.preston.net>


I've been a bit out of touch with the subject for a while, so could
someone please bring me up to speed in the state of the art of DES
bitslice. In particular, what are the best gate counts for the S-boxes?

About a year ago I produced S-boxes with the following counts

        S-box   S1   S2   S3   S4   S5   S6   S7   S8
        Gates   95   84   89   77   96   87   86   88

(You can download them from http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/~mkwan/bitslice)

However, I was recently told that these have now been beaten by a
significant margin. I thought about it for a while, and came up with
some ideas that should improve the count, but I'd like to know what
I'm aiming for.

Any improvements I make will also be made freely available, so you
have an incentive to help me ;-)


mkwan





From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Wed Mar  4 16:29:36 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:29:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ed yourdon on Y2k armaggedon
In-Reply-To: <199803022316.PAA18159@netcom16.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <199803050029.BAA15356@basement.replay.com>


>That said, I'll bet the first taker a dollar against a doughnut that 90%
>of U.S. nuke plants sail right through into the new millenium and don't
>even trip for any technical reason. (I won't bet against
>*political* reasons.)
>
>Why do I think so?
>
>Nuke plants are much less computerized than you might think.
>
>Many still use electromechanical relays to provide important logic
>functions.  Relays have a lot going for them - for instance you never have
>to worry about introduction of stupid software bugs.


What about real bugs introducing themselves into relays? :)

A few years ago a nuke plant wanted to build a computerized control system
and USNRC absolutely gave them hell, requiring them to document every damn
line of it and prove that it could handle all special cases.  But they did
finally approve it.





From honig at 206.40.207.40  Wed Mar  4 17:10:38 1998
From: honig at 206.40.207.40 (David Honig)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:10:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Win95/NT attack in CNN news
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980304171023.0079bd10@206.40.207.40>



http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9803/04/internet.attack.ap/


Hacker attack crashes
                    Windows systems
                    coast-to-coast

                    March 4, 1998
                    Web posted at: 10:05 a.m. EST (1505 GMT) 

                    SAN DIEGO (AP) -- Computer
                    security experts blame hackers for
                    an Internet attack that caused
                    computers running Microsoft's
                    Windows NT software to crash
                    from coast to coast, mostly in
                    government and university offices. 

                    While no real harm was done, it
                    was too early to gauge the full extent of the attack.
Experts said the
                    far-flung glitches could only have been the result of a
deliberate act,
                    The San Diego Union-Tribune reported Wednesday. 

                    The crash Monday night affected computers running
Windows NT
                    -- the operating system for larger computers and
networks -- and
                    Windows 95. 

                    Problems were reported at the Massachusetts Institute of
                    Technology, Northwestern University, the University of
Minnesota
                    and University of California campuses in Berkeley,
Irvine, Los
                    Angeles and San Diego. 

                    Unclassified Navy computers connected to the Internet
also crashed
                    on Point Loma and in Charleston, South Carolina,
Norfolk, Virginia,
                    and elsewhere. 

                    "It happened so fast," said Craig Huckabee, a research
associate in
                    the Computer Systems Laboratory at the University of
Wisconsin.
                    "In our department, I would have to say about 90
percent of the
                    machines were affected." 

                    Despite the coordination of the attack, the computers
that crashed
                    could be restarted without losing information, computer
security
                    experts said. 

                    The attackers used the Internet to broadly distribute a
snippet of
                    deliberately malformed data, said Ron Broersma, a
civilian computer
                    security expert at the Navy labs on Point Loma. 

                    The prank exploits a glitch in the Windows NT program by
                    instructing the computer to devote excessive memory
resources to
                    solve a problem that can't be solved. 

                    Microsoft security manager Ed Muth said the company is
working
                    on a software patch that fixes the vulnerability in
Windows NT
                    programs. 

                    An unidentified Microsoft executive told the
Union-Tribune it was
                    unknown if the attack was related to Microsoft Chairman
Bill Gates'
                    appearance Tuesday at a Senate hearing where he
defended his
                    company against allegations of antitrust violations. 
------------------------------------------------------------
      David Honig                   Orbit Technology
     honig at otc.net                  Intaanetto Jigyoubu

"But if we have to use force, 
it is because we are America;
we are the indispensable nation."
---Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright
http://www.jya.com/see-far.htm







	
















From mclow at owl.csusm.edu  Wed Mar  4 17:49:32 1998
From: mclow at owl.csusm.edu (Marshall Clow)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:49:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Win95/NT attack in CNN news
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980304171023.0079bd10@206.40.207.40>
Message-ID: 


The best part about it was the quote on the front page of the
San Diego Union-Tribune:

"This is so weird, so widespread, and the press doesn't seem to know about
it," Broersma said. "Maybe it's because people are used to their Windows
software crashing all the time."

-- Marshall

Marshall Clow     Adobe Systems   

Warning: Objects in calendar are closer than they appear.







From billp at nmol.com  Wed Mar  4 18:51:16 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:51:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Brickell and Sandia
Message-ID: <34FE12B4.6021@nmol.com>


Wednesday 3/4/98 6:59 PM

Orlin

While trying to recover from the stomach flu, I am going over your stuff
summarized at 

  http://www.aci.net/kalliste/dcguide.htm

You wrote at [Brickell-Gemmell-Kravitz.]
http://www.aci.net/kalliste/sandia.htm

  Sandia National Laboratories have created the digital cash equivalent
of the Clipper chip: an "anonymous"     
  digital cash system that would give participants privacy from all
viewers, except for the government agencies 
  that would control the secret keys required for backdoor access.

and  

  Why is Sandia interested in digital cash systems? Well, Sandia is
responsible for all non-nuclear components    
  of nuclear weapons.  The security of nuclear weapons depends partly on
cryptology. The code- breaking 
  National Security Agency (NSA), for example,  is responsible for the
communication security of the 
  Minuteman missile, as well as the codes by which the President must
identify himself to authorize a nuclear   
  strike.

Brickell and Simmons were in the COMPUTATIONAL/COMPUTER SCIENCES & MATH
CENTER,
directorate 1400, at Sandia.

I worked in the ELECTRONIC SUBSYSTEMS CENTER, directorate 2300, 
division 2311, when I was project leader of the Missile Secure
Cryptographic Unit, the small missile,  [between about 1982-86].

All of the nuclear bomb crypto implmentation work was done in 2300, not
1400.

The MAIN difference is that the 2300 people were a bunch of PRACTICAL
engineers and REAL-PRACTICAL software types.  NOT theoreticians.

Gus Simmon once tried to get into the implentation business.  

Simmons bought an Intel 320 [?] development system.  The Intel 320 was a
piece of junk and nothing happened with Simmons� implementation work.

Simmons� try, naturally, caught the attention of 2300 management, for
business reasons, of course.

I LOVE reading all of this stuff from a Sandia historical standpoint.

The REAL WORLD of Sandia crypto stuff in pockmarked by some REAL
SCREW-UPS.  Which all
of us implementers shared so as not to commit the same mistakes again.

I asked my department manager, Kent Parsons, how the screw-ups affected
him.  He responded that
it made him sleepy.  These were MULTI- if not HUNDREDS- million dollar
screw-ups.

Later
bill







From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Wed Mar  4 23:50:43 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:50:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Digital Bearer Settlement
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980304152937.007e0c20@popd.ix.netcom.com>


Nice article, and I'll have to see if I can get Ian
to talk about HINDE for this month's Bay Area Cypherpunks.

One thing I noticed while reading it, though, is that you still have
"and then you go to jail" at the end of some transaction failure branches,
though most of the failure branches end with "Nothing happens".
While you're not doing book entry at every step,
bearer instruments still depend on the maker honoring them,
whether it's exchanging the bank note for gold pieces
or trading the digicash bits for Federal Reserve Notes --
"then the banker goes to jail" can still happen,
and a digicash world may not have as many S&L Bailout
political favors as the Reagan Years provided.
Also, there are the transactions where you trade
digicash for goods&services, and there's still the problem
of making sure the goods&services got delivered,
making sure the payment got delivered, and dealing with
poor quality products.  For purely digital products,
like consulting hours, movies, and microcode, there are
protocols that can take care of the exchange,
but for goods&services involving real stuff,
like pizza delivery, there's still an element of
trust required.
				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





From whgiii at invweb.net  Thu Mar  5 00:34:01 1998
From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:34:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Digital Bearer Settlement
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980304152937.007e0c20@popd.ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: <199803050833.DAA19434@users.invweb.net>


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In <3.0.5.32.19980304152937.007e0c20 at popd.ix.netcom.com>, on 03/04/98 
   at 03:29 PM, Bill Stewart  said:

>Nice article, and I'll have to see if I can get Ian
>to talk about HINDE for this month's Bay Area Cypherpunks.

>One thing I noticed while reading it, though, is that you still have "and
>then you go to jail" at the end of some transaction failure branches,
>though most of the failure branches end with "Nothing happens". While
>you're not doing book entry at every step,
>bearer instruments still depend on the maker honoring them,
>whether it's exchanging the bank note for gold pieces
>or trading the digicash bits for Federal Reserve Notes --
>"then the banker goes to jail" can still happen,
>and a digicash world may not have as many S&L Bailout
>political favors as the Reagan Years provided.
>Also, there are the transactions where you trade
>digicash for goods&services, and there's still the problem
>of making sure the goods&services got delivered,
>making sure the payment got delivered, and dealing with
>poor quality products.  For purely digital products,
>like consulting hours, movies, and microcode, there are
>protocols that can take care of the exchange,
>but for goods&services involving real stuff,
>like pizza delivery, there's still an element of
>trust required.

Well there are a couple of different approaches depending on the
environment of the transaction.

If it is what I call a "cash and carry" environment where you, the
merchant, and the product are all physically in the same place then the
transaction can take place as any cash transaction would. the merchant
gives you the product, you give him the e-cash bits and the transaction is
done.

If the environment is a "mailorder" environmet where you and the merchant
are in remote locations then there are two different approaches:

- -- COD:

  You place the order, the merchant delivers it. At the time of delivery
you pay for the product.

- -- Escrow:

   You place the order. After placing the order you transfer your e-cash
bits into an escrow account. When the merchant has verification that the
bits are in escrow he ships the product. Upon recept of the product you
release the funds from the escrow account and the merchant is paid.

    Now with escrow based system you can be more creative with the product
insurance end of things. You an the merchant may agree that there will be
a 30 day trial period where the funds will stay in escrow and during that
period you can judge the quality of the product. If a complaint is filed
with the escrow agent within the 30 day period then you would have X
number of days to return the product and get your money back. Merchants
could set up warranty insurance where x% of sales are kept in an escrow
account to cover returns/warranties. All kinds of fun stuff could be done.

- -- 
- ---------------------------------------------------------------
William H. Geiger III  http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii
Geiger Consulting    Cooking With Warp 4.0

Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice
PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail.
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From: rubin at research.att.com (Avi Rubin)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 07:15:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: List of college and graduate courses in crypto and security
Message-ID: <199803051512.KAA08000@mgoblue.research.att.com>


I maintain a list of college and gruaduate level courses in security 
and cryptography at

   http://www.cs.nyu.edu/~rubin/courses.html

>From time to time, I like to update the list. If you know of
a full semester course in crypto or security that is not on my
list please let me know. URLs are especially useful. Also, if you 
see something on my list that is out of date, let me know.

Thanks,
Avi


*********************************************************************
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Secure Systems Research Dept.                Adjunct Professor at NYU
AT&T Labs - Research
180 Park Avenue                   http://www.research.att.com/~rubin/
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From jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu  Thu Mar  5 10:11:33 1998
From: jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu (Ken Williams)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:11:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: 



Hello,

I have more of a general privacy rather than a crypto question.  I am
trying to set up "tripwires" in the various computer accounts that i have
so i will know if a superuser or sysadmin has accessed them.  (it should
be taken for granted at this point that all sensitive or personal data is 
encrypted and/or stored on floppies)  i of course am only concerned with
doing so for accounts that i don't already have su access with.  i have
accounts on various flavors of UNIX, but i am most interested in
tripwires/scripts for Solaris 2.4-6.  so far, the best i have been able to
come up with is a couple of very ineffective tripwires.

1.  a few lines in .Xlogout that write the host/date stamp to a file that
    is hidden a few directories deep.

    - this of course only works if someone logs in to my account using
    my own login/passwd, and it doesn't work over dialup at all.

2.  i have a .environment file that will write all of the relevant user
    info to a file if that user adds my directory with the "add" command

    - this will catch all superuser accesses *if and only if* they add
    my directory.  they could simply cd into my directory to bypass it.

anyone have any ideas for tripwires or any other methods i can use, having
only regular user access, to monitor ANY accesses made to my account,
especially by superusers/sysadmins?


thanks for your consideration of this question,

ken






From honig at otc.net  Thu Mar  5 11:18:21 1998
From: honig at otc.net (David Honig)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:18:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Feds bust Inet gambling
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980305111814.007a9b20@otc.net>



All parties were consenting but the Fed doesn't like it.

First the virtual betting parlors.
Then the virtual banks and cryptocash.



http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/technology/wired/story.html?s=n/reuters
/980304/wired/stories/gambling_1.html
	
Wednesday March 4 4:56 PM EST 

U.S. authorities launch Internet gambling crackdown

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. federal authorities charged 14 people on
Wednesday with running gambling sites on the Internet in violation of
federal laws. 

In complaints unsealed in Manhattan Federal Court, the U.S. Attorney's
office charged the 14 with using Internet Web sites and telephone lines to
bet on U.S. football, basketball, hockey and baseball games, charging a 10
percent commission per bet. 

At least some of the defendants were scheduled to appear before a U.S.
magistrate judge later on Wednesday. 

The defendants were charged with using Internet sites to open bettor
accounts, usually with a minimum deposit of $500, and then accepting bets
on games and game score spreads and maintaining accounts for clients. 

Client funds were directed to banks or addresses in such offshore locations
as Antigua, Curacao, Costa Rica and Panama, where betting is legal. But the
complaints alleged that the six operations conducted much of their business
within U.S. borders. 

One defendant, Steven Budin, 27, of SDB Global (www.sdbg.com), said his
business used the Internet only for marketing, not to take bets. 

"We don't take wagers over the Internet," he said. 
------------------------------------------------------------
      David Honig                   Orbit Technology
     honig at otc.net                  Intaanetto Jigyoubu

"But if we have to use force, 
it is because we are America;
we are the indispensable nation."
---Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright
http://www.jya.com/see-far.htm







	
















From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Thu Mar  5 11:24:11 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:24:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <199803051920.UAA16885@basement.replay.com>


In doing a search on the "RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AMENDMENT", Lycos popped over 2000 hits.  In checking out several sites, this one seemed the most rational in discussing the issue.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/const_am.htm










From n9505834 at garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au  Thu Mar  5 11:48:20 1998
From: n9505834 at garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au (? the Platypus {aka David Formosa})
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 11:48:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Feds bust Inet gambling
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980305111814.007a9b20@otc.net>
Message-ID: 


On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, David Honig wrote:

[...]

> U.S. authorities launch Internet gambling crackdown
> 
> NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. federal authorities charged 14 people on
> Wednesday with running gambling sites on the Internet in violation of
> federal laws. 

I wonder if thay are going to go after http://www.tab.com.au/ ?
I personaly find these anty-betting laws difficalt to understand.

Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia see the url in my header. 
Never trust a country with more peaple then sheep. 
Support NoCeM http://www.cm.org/                   
I'm sorry but I just don't consider 'because its yucky' a convincing argument






From readmexxx at aol.com  Thu Mar  5 13:42:20 1998
From: readmexxx at aol.com (jic)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:42:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Readme
Message-ID: <199803051737.RAA17689@mailroot.com>









From vznuri at netcom.com  Thu Mar  5 14:04:33 1998
From: vznuri at netcom.com (Vladimir Z. Nuri)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:04:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: y2k: 37% govt computers
Message-ID: <199803052204.OAA11157@netcom13.netcom.com>



------- Forwarded Message

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 07:04:43 -0600
To: believer at telepath.com
From: believer at telepath.com
Subject: IP: Y2K-37% of most critical gov't computers will not be updated
  in time

Source: Los Angeles Times

Thursday, March 5, 1998 

House Panel Warns of Year 2000 Computer Crisis 
By RALPH VARTABEDIAN, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON--In the most dramatic warning yet of an impending computer
crisis in the government, a congressional panel said Wednesday that 37% of
the most critical computers used by federal agencies will not be updated in
time to handle dates in the year 2000 and will be subject to widespread
failure. 

The estimate calls into sharp question past assurances by the Clinton
administration that it is moving quickly enough to avert serious outages
that could undermine military forces, benefit payments to the public and
the nation's air transportation system, among much else. 

With just 666 days left until the year 2000, a slew of reports and
investigations in recent weeks have raised serious concerns that the
government is not acting fast enough to avoid serious problems. 

The executive branch has almost 8,000 computer systems that are considered
critical to government operations, and nearly 3,000 of them will not be
able to read dates in 2000, according to the report issued by the
subcommittee on government management, information and technology of the
House Government Operations and Oversight Committee. The computers will
either shut down or spew out erroneous data. 

California Rep. Steve Horn (R-Long Beach), the subcommittee chairman who
has taken the lead in Congress in solving the problem, issued a "report
card" along with the new report that gave the federal government a D-minus
in its efforts to avoid a crisis. 

"Failure is intolerable," Horn said. 

The year 2000 problem results from widespread use of two digits in software
to designate years. Computers assume that every year starts with "19," so
when 2000 arrives, they will interpret "00" as the year 1900. 

President Clinton created a White House panel on Feb. 4 to lead the
government's efforts in solving the problem and appointed John A. Koskinen,
former deputy director at the Office of Management and Budget, to lead the
effort. But Koskinen has not yet started his work, and his panel has hardly
gotten off the ground after 28 days, according to Horn's staff. 

White House press officials did not respond to queries about Horn's report. 

As the scope of the government's problems become clearer, the cost to avert
a crisis is also growing. The Office of Management and Budget had long
insisted that the problem would cost a little more than $2.3 billion to
fix, but that figure has been growing over the last year. Its most recent
estimate pegged the cost at $4 billion. 

Horn estimated that the government is facing a cost of $10 billion. 

 Copyright Los Angeles Times 

     


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From afabbro at umich.edu  Thu Mar  5 17:39:15 1998
From: afabbro at umich.edu (andrew fabbro)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:39:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Login Tripwire Protocols
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


> I have more of a general privacy rather than a crypto question.  I am>
> trying to set up "tripwires" in the various computer accounts that i have>
> so i will know if a superuser or sysadmin has accessed them.  (it should

Can you build a reliable login tripwire on a machine where you don't
have root access and root is likely a malicious character?  The answer
is...maybe!  It requires a fairly sophisticated protocol and a lot of
work...here are three of my ideas that didn't pan out, one that probably
would, and a lot of caveats.  I'd appreciate comments, criticism,
etc. from other 'punks.

THE GOAL

You have an account on a system on which you do not trust root, or on
which you think someone else may be able to log in as you.  You want
to build an automated system which alerts you when someone logs in as
other than yourself.

(n.b.: we're just talking about a login tripwire.  Root doesn't need to
log in as you to read your mail or copy your files).

THE PROBLEM 

The basic problem here is that you can't trust anything on the
insecure system.  Root can modify any file, any binary, your shell, your
environment, the kernel, a program running in memory, logs, devices, etc.
You want to get secure information out of an environment in which all
incoming and outgoing communications can be tampered with at will.

It's sort of like standing in front of a locked door to a speakeasy and
wanting to know if your friend Ivan is inside.  You can slide a paper
through the slat and if Ivan is in inside, require that he prove himself
by signing the paper.  However, if the paper comes back blank and the
bouncer says "he ain't here," how do you know that Ivan isn't tied up
in the back room?

I've thought of some protocols which root could defeat only if he had an
above-average degree of technical sophistication...e.g., examing a running
kernel and modifying it, disassembling binaries, etc.  These are not
normal admin tasks.  However, trusting your adversary to be ill-educated
is poor security practice.  There is one good protocol I thought of,
which would work except for the the #1 problem common to any attempt of
this sort...

THE ACHILLES HEEL

...and the #1 problem is: how do you determine if you (or someone posing
as you) is logged on to the remote machine?  Suppose the bouncer is
honest.  What if your adversaries can make Ivan invisible?  Anything your
account initiates via a .login script or similar can easily be avoided
by root, who can modify these scripts before logging in and restoring
them when done.  This leaves you with some sort of automated checking
to see if you're on, and a system to alert you if you are.

The common ways of determining who's logged on to a system can fail or be
circumvented:

	(a) utmp - notoriously easy to circumvent (utmp provides the info
	for who, finger, etc.)  Sometimes an errant shell will circumvent 
	this accidentally, to say nothing of a concerted effort.  Root can
	modify this trivially.

	(b) ps to look for owned processes -- root can easily write a ps
	program that works normally except for devious reporting when
	he's masquerading as you.  Even if you use a custom program
	(which you have to either import each time or hash-check),
	root can modify the kernel, your environment, etc.

	(c) you can see who owns /dev terminals, but again...

	(d) I'm not sure if there is some method of consulting the kernel.
	Modifying a running kernel is considerably more difficult than
	the above, but if there is a means of consulting the kernel to
	see who's on, root could certainly circumvent it.

You could make SHA message digests of the relavent system binaries and
include checks for them in your robot messanger, but root may already
have changed them.  And remember that root can control your shell,
your environment, etc.

Maybe you assume that your adversary could not do these things.  I don't
think there is no 100% reliable way to see authoritatively who's logged
on to a system, even if your adversary is not a wizard.  However, for
the sake of discussion, let's assume for the moment that you find some
method of determining who's logged in that you feel confidant with,
either because your adversary lacks the technical ability to circumvent
normal methods, or because they are one person secretly being naughty
in an otherwise professional team that would notice changes, or because
your own wizardry outstrips there's.

The next trick is to build a robot to either sit inside the speakeasy to
shout out to you if Ivan is there, or one that goes into the speakeasy,
looks around, and reports back to you.  The trick is making sure that
the robot's voice is not impersonated by your enemies or that it is not
rewired before being sent back to you.

THINGS THAT WON'T WORK

Any kind of notification system that is initiated by your login scripts.

Anything that requires querying the insecure machine from a remote
machine to ask if you're logged on.  Root controls all inbound and
outbound communication.

Any sort of cron job run on the insecure machine -- root can turn these
off, insert a spoofer, do his deeds, and then restore things, with you
being none the wiser.

These protocols all assume you have an account on a trusted machine
that you feel is secure (you fool!), at least from the admin on the
insecure machine.

PROTOCOL #1 - DAEMON

You set up a daemon on the insecure machine which once a minute sees
who's on, and if you're on, sends that information along with a SHA
message digest (hash) of itself and its process number to the remote
machine, who checks to see if the process number or hash has changed,
and then builds a log.  You can then check this log to see if anyone
was on when you don't remember being on.

Problems:

(*) root can monitor outbound mail.  When he sees a message going to
your secure machine, he simply replaces it.

(*) root can grab the daemon's code out of memory, rewrite it so that it
first asks root if it should say you're on, and then proceeds normally,
sending out the same process number and SHA MD as an unmodified daemon
would.  He can even write a daemon that monitors for your daemon,
correcting its output whenever you restart your daemon.

PROTOCOL #2 - DAEMON IMPROVED

Same as #1, but this time the daemon first asks for a public key
from your secure host, and then encrypts its response using that key.
This defeats the first attack above.

Problems:

(*) root can use a classic man-in-the-middle attack to harvest the key
on inbound mail and then encrypt it for outbound mail.  No improvement.

PROTOCOL #3 - PROCMAIL + BINARY ROBOT

The trusted machine contains a set of object files in a linkable state
(i.e., post-compile, pre-link) for a binary robot which (a) checks to
see if you are logged on to whatever machine the robot is running on,
(b) encrypts this information using a public key, and (c) returns the
encrypted "yes/no" to the trusted machine, as well as a SHA message
digest of itself.

You set the following up as a cron job to run every X minutes on the
trusted machine.  The longer the gap, the longer an intruder might be
able to play around unnoticed.  However, the shorter the gap, the higher
the load, and you have to make sure the insecure machine can finish it's
processing within the gap.  Perhaps X should be semi-random.

(a) the trusted machine generates a public/private key pair.  The public
key is placed in a linkable format and linked with the object files for
the binary robot.  The trusted machine notes the outbound binary's SHA
message digest.

(b) the trusted machine mails this binary robot to the insecure machine.
At the insecure machine, you have a .procmailrc which looks for the
robot and  runs it

(c) the robot checks to see if you're online, and encrypts a reply
using the public key that's stored within it.  It sends this back to
the trusted machine.

(d) the trusted machine decrypts the message.  Because each key is
different, one-time, and used sequentially, there should be no replay
attack possibility here.  The trusted machine checks the SHA MD, and
if it's different, goes into alert mode -- sending you e-mail, paging
you, whatever.  Otherwise it just continues to build its log that you
can examine later.  You could do more processing -- perhaps you only
turn on this system on the trusted machine when you're not logged into
the insecure machine.  If it detects you are on while it's running,
it goes into alert mode.

(e) lather, rinse, repeat.  

Problems:

(*) impracticalities of system load, and possible processing time length,
as noted above

(*) Root could sabotage procmail so instead of spawning your robot, it
spawns one of root's.  This mischevious binary then digs out the public
key from your robot's binary code, and returns a message with a "no,
he's not on" message and an SHA message digest of your binary.  (He could
also delete your .procmailrc or otherwise stop your automated system, but
this would be obvious and suspicious).  Since he'll have your binary and
your public key, there is no way to prevent this man-in-the-middle attack.

PROTOCOL #4 - PROCMAIL + BINARY, IMPROVED

Same as #3, but when the trusted machine links your little binary robot,
it randomly selects one of many random object files which contain
some trivial operation for the robot to perform.  The results of this
operation are then appended to the robot's reply.  Examples of these
random operations:

	-- print out the date in format X
	-- print "CNN Anchorwoman Lynn Russell is a goddess"
	-- lookup root's shell and `ls -l` it into the message
	-- print out the first 15 prime numbers into the message
	-- multiply pi by 9.856497 and print out the result
	-- figure the SHA hash of /bin/sh and print it

etc.  If this robot is intercepted, it will be difficult for root's robot
to mimic its behavior.  Yes, root could manually disassemble it and figure 
out what it's secret operation is and build his own binary to mimic it, but 
not in the minute or two that the binary will run before the next robot
each time would likely not work, because the compiler might link them all at
the same place and root's malicious binary could examine the binary and
ferret out the string automatically.

The random operations do not have to be complex, but they must have these
qualities:

	(*) the result must be definitively known to the trusted system
	(e.g., something like "finger root to see when he last logged
	in" will not work.  But "figure 9 to the 7th power and print
	the result" would)

	(*) the operation must be reasonably fast -- you don't want the
	robot doing a long calculation, which might let root analyze
	the robot, kill it, perform the calculation himself (perhaps
	on a faster machine), and spoof the reply.  Diversity is more
	important than complexity

	(*) there must be a large pool of these operations to choose from

	(*) the choosing must be random.  Obviously, it will
	be pseudorandom, but a strong pseudorandom system with
	least-significant time seeds should be sufficient, unless the
	insecure machine's root in this case is root at nsa.gov.

Problems:

(*) again, impracticalities of system load, and possible processing time
length, as noted above

(*) root will be able to save and analyze the robot binaries.  If the
pool is not diverse enough, root might be able to determine the likely
next message and spoof the reply.  This will not be detectable from
the trusted machine's perspective.  However, the trusted machine might
(a) have a large pool of random operations to choose from to make this
impractical, or (b) simply have a subroutine which randomly generates
random operations from a pool of pieces -- e.g., a set of rules from which
it randomly picks, and then performs other random operations to generate
the actual operation.  (i.e., rule #85 says pick three floating-point
numbers and generate an operation wherein the robot has to figure out
the cosine of each).  This would be much more difficult to predict/spoof.

CONCLUSIONS

First and foremost, the difficult of accurately determining who's on
will likely undermine any attempt to set up a login tripwire.

Also, we're talking about a login tripwire.  Suppose I'm root and I
want to copy a file from your home directory called diary-of-my-sexlife.
All I have to do is note the access/modify/change times, copy the file,
and then restore these times with touch(1).  You can't detect or prevent
read-only access.

Going to all the work of implementing protocol #4, the most reliable of
these, would likely result in a reasonably secure way of determing if
you're logged in (again, with the difficulty of determining who's logged
on caveats), but is it worth all this effort?  I was just thinking these
things up because I was bored.  If I really had an account on a system
I didn't trust, I would cancel it.



-- 
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 http://www-personal.umich.edu/~afabbro/          313.647.2713 
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From jya at pipeline.com  Thu Mar  5 17:40:05 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 17:40:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Gun Grabbers in WASHINGTON -- Friday
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980306014415.0102aa64@pop.pipeline.com>


Anonymous wrote:
>
>8 a.m.-Noon. POWDER TAGGANTS - Conclusion of a two-day conference by a
>National Resarch Council committee examining the technical viability of
>and issues related to tagging black and smokeless powders.
>	Location: National Academy of Sciences, 2100 C St. NW.
>	Contact: 202-334-2138.


The New York Times reported today that the National Research
Council found that it was not feasible to require taggants in
explosives and recommended that the technology not be pursued.
Instead, it proposed improved licensing and protection of storage.

The panel noted that it would be very difficult to restrict access to
common materials for manufacturing explosives, and that law
enforcement should improve investigation, intelligence and
education of the public.

An unconfirmed Reuters is that the panelists fist-fought tooth-and-nail
gouch&suck-eyeballs over the issue of a confidential investigation to 
determine why there were no ATF agents in Murrah, only the 
head-hammered remains of all the agency's Wintel boxes choked 
with endless incoming of "The Availability of Bombmaking Information 
on the Internet" auto-forwarded from Senator_Feinstein at remailer.to.







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From sherman at cs.umbc.edu  Fri Mar  6 03:11:48 1998
From: sherman at cs.umbc.edu (Dr. Alan Sherman)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 03:11:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Barry Smith (FBI) speaks today 3:30pm at UMBC
Message-ID: 


   The UMBC Security Technology Research Group presents

     A Law-Enforcement Perspective on Encryption Policy

			Barry Smith
	       Supervisory Special Agent, FBI

	    moderated by journalist Peter Wayner

		      3:30pm - 5:00pm
		   Friday, March 6, 1998
		      Lecture Hall III
	       University of Maryland, Baltimore County
    http://www.cs.umbc.edu/events/spring98/crypto.shtml

The second lecture and discussion in a two-part forum on
encryption policy.  Journalist Peter Wayner will introduce
and moderate the event, which is free and open to the
public.  In Part I, freedom activist John Gilmore and Fritz
Fielding (Ex-Associate General Councel, NSA) gave their
divergent views, focusing on the Burnstein case.

Barry Smith will articulate the needs of law enforcement to
conduct lawful wiretaps; he will advocate the use of
key-recovery techniques to achieve this end as a way that
provides adequate privacy to law-abiding citizens.

Schedule: The event will begin with a brief (10 minute)
introduction by Peter Wayner.  Following Barry Smith's talk,
which will last approximately 45 minutes, there will be an
opportunity to ask questions for approximately 20-30
minutes.

Questions: Attendees are encouraged to ask questions in
advance by sending email to sherman at cs.umbc.edu

Directions: Take Exit #47B off interstate I-95 and follow
signs to UMBC.  LH III is in the Administration Building,
adjacent visitor's parking lot near the I-95 entrance to
UMBC.  

Host: Dr. Alan T. Sherman
      Associate Professor, Computer Science
      sherman at cs.umbc.edu
      http://www.umbc.edu
      (410) 455-2666

     This event is held in cooperation with the UMBC
	       Intellectual Sports Council
		       Honors College
	       Phi Beta Kappa honors society
                   CMSC Council of Majors
		   IFSM Council of Majors
		ACM Student Chapter at UMCP







From jya at pipeline.com  Fri Mar  6 06:50:57 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 06:50:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BXA 97 Report on Encryption
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980306145512.0105b03c@pop.pipeline.com>


BXA issued its 1997 Annual Report on March 4. We've
excerpted the sections on encryption, which summarize
the administration's policy, goals and accomplisments:

   http://jya.com/bxa97-encry.htm  (43K)

Sample:

In the nine month period from the transfer of commercial 
encryption items to Commerce through the end of FY 1997, 
BXA has received over 1,000 encryption license applications
valued at more than $500,000,000. Forty companies have 
submitted commitment plans which lay out how they will build 
and market key recovery products. These companies include
some of the largest software and hardware manufacturers in 
the country. BXA has approved 32 of these plans; none have
been rejected. Furthermore, eight companies have submitted 
requests for a one-time review of key recovery encryption items 
which will facilitate the establishment of a key management 
infrastructure (KMI). Four of these products have been approved
for eligibility under License Exception KMI. BXA has also 
approved four U.S. entities to serve as their own Key Recovery 
agents for these products (i.e. corporate "self-escrow").






From honig at otc.net  Fri Mar  6 09:48:28 1998
From: honig at otc.net (David Honig)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:48:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Login Tripwire Protocols
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980306093852.007b3200@otc.net>


At 08:38 PM 3/5/98 -0500, andrew fabbro wrote:
>Can you build a reliable login tripwire on a machine where you don't
>have root access and root is likely a malicious character?  The answer
>is...maybe!  It requires a fairly sophisticated protocol and a lot of
>work...here are three of my ideas that didn't pan out, one that probably
>would, and a lot of caveats.  I'd appreciate comments, criticism,
>etc. from other 'punks.

Look up Ross Anderson et al's paper, Programming Satan's Computer, in
which a similarly omnipotent and malicious programming environment is 
discussed.


------------------------------------------------------------
      David Honig                   Orbit Technology
     honig at otc.net                  Intaanetto Jigyoubu

"But if we have to use force, 
it is because we are America;
we are the indispensable nation."
---Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright
http://www.jya.com/see-far.htm







	
















From honig at otc.net  Fri Mar  6 10:32:47 1998
From: honig at otc.net (David Honig)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:32:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPS to market DIGITAL SIGNATURE AUTHENTICATED DIGITAL DOCUMENT DELIVERY, $5 < $x < $10
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980306103212.007aedd0@otc.net>



http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/technology/wired/story.html?s=n/reuters
/980306/wired/stories/ups_2.html

UPS ships high-tech security along with packages

By Randolph Court 

SAN FRANCISCO (Wired) - United Parcel Service stepped into the
secure-electronic-data-transmission business this week, promising to make
online-document delivery as trustworthy and easy to use as a dollar bill
minted by the US Treasury. 

"We view ourselves as a trusted third party," said Mark Rhoney, vice
president of marketing for electronic commerce at UPS. 

But can UPS shift its focus from shipping cartons into computer bits? Its
move marks a head-on assault at a growing business now handled by much
smaller, specialized high-tech companies. What UPS will offer by the second
quarter of 1998 is an alternative to existing systems offered by lesser
known entities like Entrust Technologies and Network Associates' PGP
division. 

Entrust and PGP hawk encryption systems that allow one person to send a
secure data file to someone else with no meddling from any outsiders. 

UPS's new service, developed in partnerships with Tumbleweed Software and
NetDox, is based on the idea that a supervisor should be involved in the
process to guarantee the integrity of the information being sent. 

Say a lawyer wants to send a contract worth $3 million, but the recipient
decides to tinker with the numbers and knock the figure down to $2.5
million. The situation dissolves to finger pointing, each side saying they
agreed to something different. 

With the UPS system, the data that is sent will be digitally fingerprinted
and archived with time stamps and receipts from each party, so there will
be records of whether or not a document has been tampered with. 

"The document is digitally notarized and legally binding," said NetDox
spokesman Lee Kallman. If there is a finger-pointing situation, UPS will be
able to prove in court exactly what was sent, by whom, who received it, and
when. 

"That's what you don't get with other encryption systems, and that's the
void UPS wants to fill," said Kallman. The service will play a role not
unlike the role a government plays when it guarantees the value of
currency, Kallman said. 

UPS will insure the integrity of each document, and the identity of both
sender and receiver, for up to $100,000. 

The system is called UPS Document Exchange, and it will offer two levels of
security - Dossier for the strong stuff and Courier for the milder version. 

For the most sensitive data, UPS will use a system designed by NetDox that
requires users to download a software client that wraps data - any sort of
digital information, from simple documents to multimedia - in two layers of
encryption, an inner 40-bit layer, and an outer 128-bit layer. 

The data is sent to a UPS server where it is unwrapped, and a digital
fingerprint is taken and stored; then it is re-wrapped and sent to its
destination, where the recipient opens it with the NetDox client software. 

For less-critical data packages, UPS will use a system designed by
Tumbleweed that encrypts data with a varying number of bits to accommodate
the different encryption levels supported by browsers in different countries. 

The encrypted data is then sent to a UPS server, where it is stored at a
128-bit encryption level. The server sends an email message to the
recipient telling him or her the Web address where the data resides and how
it can be accessed via browser with RSA encryption. 

--- 

UPS has been close-mouthed on the question of price, saying only that
delivery will be more expensive than a 32-cent stamp and cheaper than a
traditional overnight delivery. 

NetDox has been charging $5.35 for domestic transactions and $10.70 for
international data exchanges, according to Kallman. But it hasn't had much
competition. If the UPS service proves viable and other competitors emerge,
prices could drop precipitously, Kallman said. 

News of the UPS service was greeted warmly in some corners of the
encryption industry, and skeptically in others. 

"We're very excited to hear that a large company like UPS is rolling out a
broad-based service like this," said Gina Klein Jorasch, director of
enterprise marketing at VeriSign. The company provides digital
certificates, which act like identity cards tying a user's identity to a
public key that enables the encryption process. 

--- 

VeriSign has reason to be hopeful, though. Software clients like the ones
provided by NetDox and Tumbleweed require digital certificates, just like
those provided by VeriSign. 

"A deal between VeriSign and UPS is very conceivable," Jorasch said. 

Jeff Harell, the product manager for PGP products at computer security
giant Network Associates, quarreled with the fundamental idea of involving
outsiders in the data transmission process. 

"Why would a corporate customer want to go to third-party systems?" Harell
asked. "A lot of companies don't want to involve a third party that they
are required to trust." Many companies view their data as too important to
risk exposing to a system with so many junctions and exchange points. 

PGP is a proprietary system. Users sending and receiving data must both
have PGP, and their keys can only be provided and verified by PGP. 

All of this is new in the traditional package delivery industry, but not
unexpected. 

"Now that the Web has become so ubiquitous, this strikes me as something
that UPS and the other delivery companies needed to do," said Rita Knox, an
industry analyst with the Gartner Group. 

"This is a pretty compelling service," Knox added. "It's available 24/7 and
it's virtually instantaneous." 

Federal Express, after a failed attempt to introduce an electronic service
in the early 1980s, ended up setting a standard in the industry in 1995
when it launched a self-service ordering and tracking system on the Web. 

Similar services have since been adopted by UPS and Airborne Express, among
other competitors. Analysts are looking ahead to the possibility of UPS's
online delivery service becoming an industry must-have if it proves
successful. 

"I definitely anticipate another domino effect if UPS has any success with
this at all," said Michael Sullivan-Trainer of International Data Corp.
"All it takes is one competitor to introduce a new software innovation and
it changes industry dynamics." 
------------------------------------------------------------
      David Honig                   Orbit Technology
     honig at otc.net                  Intaanetto Jigyoubu

"But if we have to use force, 
it is because we are America;
we are the indispensable nation."
---Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright
http://www.jya.com/see-far.htm







	
















From honig at otc.net  Fri Mar  6 12:16:25 1998
From: honig at otc.net (David Honig)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:16:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980306121618.007b7a10@otc.net>



Politicians still think they're relevant...

Given that this bill passed 414-1, it'll likely be US law soon.

Does this mean that law enforcement will now need a judicial wiretap order
to go scanning for evidence to get a warrant?






http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/technology/story.html?s=n/reuters/98030
6/tech/stories/privacy_1.html
 Friday March 6 10:33 AM EST 

 House Passes Wireless Privacy Bill

 WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In a bid to protect privacy for cellphone or
digital calls, the House Thursday voted
 414-1 to make intercepting such phone conversations illegal. 

 The Wireless Privacy Enhancement Act makes clear that the act of
interception -- whether or not the call is later
 divulged or disseminated in any way -- is against the law. 

 It bans modification of scanners that are now on the market that can
easily pick up calls made on cell phones, and
 prevents a market for new scanners capable of intercepting digital
communications. 

 The bill, which the Senate has not yet acted on, increases penalties for
intercepting or divulging private
 communications, making them subject to a $2,000 fine and six months in
jail. Earlier laws had not treated such
 interceptions as serious offenses if they were not used for financial gain. 

 Although the bill had broad bipartisan support, it was a particular
favorite of Republicans, who were furious after a
 December 1996 cellphone conversation involving House Speaker Newt Gingrich
and fellow Republican leaders
 was taped by a Florida couple. House Republicans have alleged that
Washington Democratic Rep. Jim
 McDermott then leaked it. 

 McDermott -- who voted for the wireless privacy act -- has not publicly
commented on those allegations. 

 Ohio Republican Rep. John Boehner, who was using a cellphone in his wife's
car in that conversation with
 Gingrich, enthusiastically backed the bill. "Our message should be plain
and simple," he said. "If you violate
 someone's privacy, you are not creating idle mischief, you are breaking
the law and of the land and you will be
 brought to justice." 

 Roughly 50 million Americans use some kind of new mobile electronic
communications services, according to the
 bill's sponsors. 

 The sole vote against the bill came from Ron Paul, a Texas Republican. He
was not immediately available for
 comment. 
------------------------------------------------------------
      David Honig                   Orbit Technology
     honig at otc.net                  Intaanetto Jigyoubu

If you start now, the year 2038 problem might be tractable.







	
















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From die at die.com  Fri Mar  6 20:09:59 1998
From: die at die.com (Dave Emery)
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 20:09:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crypto as contraband
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Subject: Re: [LEGAL] Crypto as Contraband?
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In-Reply-To: ; from Tim May on Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 06:20:39PM -0800

On Fri, Mar 06, 1998 at 06:20:39PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> 
> (Even with guns, in the U.S., there have historically been
> "grandfatherings" of existing guns. Not always, as with certain machine
> guns. And not with gold, which was declared contraband by the Reichsfuhrer
> in 1933.)
> 
> Could possession of PGP be still legal, but _use_ declared illegal?
> 
> (Not addressing the First Amendment issues, which are even stronger, but
> just the issue of retroactive contrabanding of something which was acquired
> legally, and by hundreds of thousands of law-abiding citizens.)
> 

	The House has just done this yesterday as mentioned in several
items posted to this very list:


	From HR2369, the Wireless Communications Privacy Enchancement Act
of 1998, passed by the House 414 to 1....



 "(4) Any person who manufactures, assembles, modifies, imports, exports,
 sells, or distributes any electronic, mechanical, or other device or
 equipment, knowing or having reason to know that the device or equipment ..."

 .... clause concerning satellite  piracy gear omited .....

 " , or is intended for any receipt, interception, divulgence, publication, or
 utilization of any communication in violation of subsection (a), shall
 be fined not more than $500,000 for each violation, or imprisoned for
 not more than 5 years for each violation, or both. For purposes of all
 penalties and remedies established for violations of this paragraph, the
 prohibited activity established herein as it applies to each such device
 shall be deemed a separate violation."

Subsection a: 

 " ....... No person not being authorized by the sender shall
 intentionally intercept any radio communication *or* divulge or publish
 the existence, contents, substance, purport, effect, or meaning of such
 intercepted communication to any person..........." 

	[note that *and* was changed by this bill to *or*, making interception
itself criminal]

	The only exception being :

 "Nothing in this subsection prohibits an interception or disclosure of a
  communication as authorized by chapter 119 of title 18, United States
  Code." 
     	  [which covers broadcast, ham, marine, aviation. governmental,
and communications readily accessible to the general public, whatever
that means]


	While this doesn't exactly retroactively ban *possession* of
radio gear capable of intercepting banned radio communications, it
provides extremely stiff felony level penalties for manufacturing,
assembling, modifying, importing, exporting, selling, or distributing
any radio receiving gear that might be construed to be intended for
receipt or interception of any radio communications not on the allowed
list.  And these penalties apply to each individual sale.

	Thus selling an old scanner at a Saturday morning hamfest to a
stranger for cash - a scanner legally purchased from Radio Shack in the
era  before cell phone frequencies were outlawed on scanners -  could
conceivably result in a $500,000 fine and a five year jail term.  And
Lord knows what horrible penalties could be assessed against innocent
people selling the sort of oddball specialized communications gear and
test equipment that are the stock in trade of many of the more
interesting ham fests and swapmeets [MIT's monthly fleas for example].

	Perhaps such informal personal sales will never be prosecuted,
but most sales of gear at hamfests and the like are anonymous cash
transactions between total strangers with every possiblity that the guy a
table over with the video camera is filming your sale for evidence.

	And for those who like to hack, tinkering quietly in their
basements with communications monitoring and decoding software and
hardware, manufacture and assembly have been defined in other federal
cases to include merely writing software for one's own use. Surely this
would apply to creating cryptanalysis software for any form of radio
communications at all, since it is not legal to intercept any radio
communications that are "scrambled or encrypted".  And there is no
exception made for research and development or academic purposes.

	So yes, they have done at least as bad a thing to people who
merely want to tinker with their radios and occasionally explore what is
out there in the ether by passively and in private receiving radio
signals as they have to gun owners, who at least possess a weapon
capable of doing some serious harm.  And there is not a single sentance
in the legislation providing any kind of encouragement for the use of
cryptography to protect the privacy of openly broadcast signals
receivable for miles around, let alone mandating it.

-- 
	Dave Emery N1PRE,  die at die.com  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. 
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From mgraffam at mhv.net  Sat Mar  7 01:41:05 1998
From: mgraffam at mhv.net (mgraffam at mhv.net)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 01:41:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crypto as contraband
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On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, Dave Emery wrote:
> 	So yes, they have done at least as bad a thing to people who
> merely want to tinker with their radios and occasionally explore what is
> out there in the ether by passively and in private receiving radio
> signals as they have to gun owners, who at least possess a weapon
> capable of doing some serious harm.  And there is not a single sentance
> in the legislation providing any kind of encouragement for the use of
> cryptography to protect the privacy of openly broadcast signals
> receivable for miles around, let alone mandating it.

Hmm.. the wording of the bill uses the word "communication" .. I wonder
just what this is supposed to mean. Any ideas on what this means? Would
this be deliberate transmission of a signal, or would EMR monitoring
be covered by this too.

Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net)
http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc
"..subordination of one sex to the other is wrong in itself, and now
one of the chief hindrances to human improvement.." John Stuart Mill
"The Subjection of Women"

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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Sat Mar  7 03:19:11 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 03:19:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: tripwires when you're not superuser.
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At 01:11 PM 3/5/98 -0500, Ken Williams wrote:
>trying to set up "tripwires" in the various computer accounts that i have
>so i will know if a superuser or sysadmin has accessed them.  

In the general case, you can't do it, though there may be
special environments which let you do this but still let you
do useful work.

If somebody else controls the RAM, file systems, and communications
on a computer, and you don't, you have no way to tell what they've done.
For instance, anybody who can read raw blocks off the disk can
read your files without triggering any mechanisms you control.
Anybody who can read incoming packets off the LAN and WAN
can read your email before putting it in your mailbox.
If you convince people to encrypt mail before sending it to you,
and you encrypt any data you store on the system's disk blocks, 
using programs that aren't running on that computer,
reading your stuff may not be very interesting to the sysadm.
But if you run the decryption program on the system,
and the sysadm can read your keystrokes (either from a keyboard
or tty driver or telnet daemon), you're still naked.

There's been some theoretical work done into computing entirely
with encrypted data, and for a few specific mathematical problems
it's probably possible to get useful work done by an untrusted processor,
but usually the computations required for blinding and unblinding
are more work that the untrusted processor did for you anyway.

Short of that, the closest you'll find are secure operating systems
rated at Orange Book B2 or above (B3 and A, if any), which don't
have one all-powerful superuser.  In those systems, if the person
who has access to the raw disk (either physically or by asking the OS)
doesn't cheat, you have some guarantees about security, and in particular
you have some guarantees that nobody _but_ the semi-super-users
can crack the system in ways that give them access to your bits.
Unless all writes to the disk drive are encrypted, anybody who's got
unsupervised physical access to the disk is a semi-super-user, 
because they can steal the disk and plug it into their own machine,
where they're as super a user as they want to be.

If you're concerned about the machine being physically compromised,
you could set up an application that's always sending keepalives
across the net to your off-site monitoring location, but that's
pretty annoying, leads to lots of false alarms, may still be crackable
(though cracking may interrupt the system briefly, which is the win),
and is overall not very practical.  But it might let you know
that the disk drive has been stolen.
				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
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Bulk Email Programs
6 Major Programs On ONE CD ONLY $600.00 !!!!!!!

All these programs together will cost of over $1600.00 at retail price and are available until 02/28/98 for this price.


Please keep in mind that none of these programs are demos they are full version programs.



STEALTH MASS MAILER (FULL VERSION)
SEND BULK EMAIL AT THE RATE OF 200,000/HOUR ( Retail $399.00 )

TURBO EMAIL LIST MANAGER
POWERFUL EMAIL DATABASE LIST MANAGER  (Retail 299.00)

HURRICANE EMAIL ADDRESS COLLECTOR
COLLECTS TARGETED EMAIL ADDRESSES FROM WEB SITES (Retail $295.00 )

GEO SNAKE
COLLECTS TARGETED EMAIL ADDRESSES BASED ON CITY/STATE
(Retail $199.00)

NEWS SLEUTH
COLLECTS TARGETED EMAIL ADDRESSES FROM NEWSGROUP POSTS 
(Retail $295.00 )


EMAIL PRO
EMAIL ADDRESS LIST MANAGER ( Retail $195.00 )


YOU GET ALL 6 PROGRAMS ON CD FOR ONLY $600


TO ORDER PLEASE CALL (213)757-9032 FOR COMPLETE ORDERING DETAILS.epartment at (213) 757-9032 For orders for next day delivery please add $15.00 to your order and priority mail please add $3.00 to your order.

If you are interested in becomming a vendor for our software please email us at Support26 at juno.com for complete details.


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Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 03:52:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Advertise Your Business To MIllions With Direct Email Marketing !!!
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Bulk Email Programs
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All these programs together will cost of over $1600.00 at retail price and are available until 02/28/98 for this price.


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STEALTH MASS MAILER (FULL VERSION)
SEND BULK EMAIL AT THE RATE OF 200,000/HOUR ( Retail $399.00 )

TURBO EMAIL LIST MANAGER
POWERFUL EMAIL DATABASE LIST MANAGER  (Retail 299.00)

HURRICANE EMAIL ADDRESS COLLECTOR
COLLECTS TARGETED EMAIL ADDRESSES FROM WEB SITES (Retail $295.00 )

GEO SNAKE
COLLECTS TARGETED EMAIL ADDRESSES BASED ON CITY/STATE
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NEWS SLEUTH
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EMAIL PRO
EMAIL ADDRESS LIST MANAGER ( Retail $195.00 )


YOU GET ALL 6 PROGRAMS ON CD FOR ONLY $600


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From whgiii at invweb.net  Sat Mar  7 07:22:40 1998
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>Given that this bill passed 414-1, it'll likely be US law soon.

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Don't you know that an exemption clause for the FED's is standard trailer
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From mvhs5 at comnett.net  Fri Mar  6 20:18:07 1998
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From nuapuosao29 at iddqd.org  Sat Mar  7 15:39:17 1998
From: nuapuosao29 at iddqd.org (nuapuosao29 at iddqd.org)
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 15:39:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Bulk Email For Profit !!
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If you've got a good marketing letter, I'll show you how to open the floodgates. You'll be deluged with inquiries, leads, and real sales, using nothing but email alone.

Writing a good marketing letter is not easy. I often have to rewrite my marketing letters a half dozen times before I get the results I'm looking for. But once you have a good letter, as you probably know, you can use the same letter over and over again, predictably and consistently, closing sales, week after week, month after month.

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The Floodgate Bulk Email Loader imports simple text files that anyone can download from CompuServe, Prodigy, Delphi Genie, or the Internet. These text files contain classified ads, forum messages, or data from the member directory. Each of these files is filled with email addresses.

Floodgate is designed to read these files and strip out the email addresses. It then sorts the addresses, removes any duplicates, and formats them into an output file, with 10, 20 or 30 addresses per line. This is all done in one simple step. Just point and click.

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(To get a list of all the Internet access providers in your local calling area goto: http://thelist.com and click on your area code.)

The Floodgate Users Guide will teach you, step by step, how to download the right files, how to strip the addresses, and finally, how to cut and paste the formatted addresses into your marketing letter. Or, if you have an Internet account, how to create distribution lists. One you've done this a few times you won't even have to think. It's that simple!

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As you may know, the practice of sending unsolicited email is usually frowned upon, and most service providers have rules against it. But, like jay-walking, there is little enforcement. It's not illegal. If someone tells you that it is, ask them to provide the citation (and don't let them give you some nonsense about faxes - that's not email). They can't do it because it's not there. Sometimes, when a lot of people complain, I get a warning letter. And that's about it.

About 1 in 200 will write back and tell me, "take me off the list", which I can do, thanks to Floodgates Remove List feature. Many people reply back thanking me for sending them my informative letter. That's always nice. Most people though, just reply and say, "send me more info." In this way, it usually takes me two or three letters to close a sale.

The Floodgate Users Guide will provide you with proven formats for writing a successful marketing letter. You'll test and rewrite, test and rewrite. Then, once you've got it, just push a few buttons, and open the floodgates!!!

THE FLOODGATE BULK EMAIL LOADER CURRENTLY SUPPORTS 17+ FILE FORMATS

1. CompuServe Classifieds: Send your marketing letter to everyone who is running a classified ad. I'll teach you how to download all the classifieds from any single ad category. This is one of the most responsive list of buyers. They check their email every day and they're already in business.

2. America On-line Classifieds: Download 1,000 addresses in 15 minutes. These are excellent lists for business to business sales.

3. CompuServe Forums: You can join a forum and download hundreds of forum messages in a matter of minutes.

4. America On-line Forums: Choose from dozens of forums. All good targeted lists.

5. Prodigy Forums: Prodigy allows you to easily export any group of forum messages. More targeted lists.

6. Internet Newsgroups: These are all targeted lists. You'll be able to send your marketing letter to everyone who posts a message in any newsgroup. Easily collect 1,000's of addresses per hour.

7. America On-line Member Directory: Most member directories only allow you to search by city and state. With AOL, you can search by business type, hobbies, computer type, etc. This is the gem of all
member directories. Build huge targeted lists.

8. CompuServe Member Directory: This is a major resource. If you're willing to target your mailing to a single city, you can collect about 1,000 email addresses an hour.

9. Delphi Member Directory: The Delphi member directory allows you to search for people based on key words. These are good targeted mailing lists. A single search can easily generate 5,000 addresses.

10. Genie Member Directory: Similar to the CompuServe member directory, only you can download names much quicker. You can easily pull hundreds of thousands of addresses out of each of these member directories.

11. CompuServe File Cabinet: If you run classified ads, and save the responses in the CIM file cabinet, you'll be able to easily reuse these addresses. You can send your marketing letter to everyone in any single folder. Build master lists and clean UP your hard drive.

12. Free Form: If you have a text file with email addresses that floodgate does not support, chances are the Free Form filter will be just what you need. Just enter a key word to search for.

13. CompuServe Form Profiles (Forum Membership Directories): Easy to build targeted lists here. Each search can easily bring you 500+
addresses.

14. Genie Profiles: If you're building targeted lists, you'll get a lot of addresses very quickly from Genie.

15. Plain Addresses: Read Floodgate Master Files back into Floodgate to merge files and do selective mailings. Also useful for the management of email address lists that you might purchase.

Floodgate also has filters to allow you to include or exclude any groups of addresses in your final distribution lists. For example, you could include only email addresses that ended in .com or exclude all with .gov. You could exclude all noc, root, and other addresses that almost guarantee a negative response. These filters are fully configurable and can be used together.

BUILD REUSABLE MASTER FILES

Floodgate maintains Master Files for each of your marketing letters. If you download from the same place on a regular basis, you only want to send your letter to the new people. Floodgate will compare the new addresses with those in the Master File, and prepare a mailing list of only new people. The new addresses are, of course, then added to the Master File. With each new mailing your Master File grows and grows.

You may create as many Master Lists as you need. When you start a new marketing campaign, you'll want to send your new letter to everyone on your Master List. If you write a newsletter, each time you send your newsletter, you'll send it to everyone on a Master List.

THE REMOVE LIST

Very often, people will reply and tell you to take them off your mailing list. Place these addresses in the REMOVE.MST file and they will never receive another letter from you again. In this way, you will be operating your business with the most professionalism
possible.

DON'T BE FOOLED

We have some new competitors that have tried to copy Floodgate. The following list describes why Floodgate is BETTER.......

**Floodgate is a mature, bug free product. Not an initial release.
**Floodgate comes with over 100 pages of step by step       documentation.
**Floodgate is the only one offering a money back guarantee.
**Floodgate has more testimonials. 
**Filter for filter, Floodgate offers more capabilities, way more. 
**Floodgate does everything all the others *combined* claim. 
**Floodgate is by far the easiest to use.
**There is NO *cutting and pasting* with Floodgate. 
**We have by far, the BEST technical support.

SOME QUICK MATH

Floodgate can pay for itself in a few days. It can also cut your advertising costs down to almost nothing. Think of what the competition will do when they get their Floodgate program. Don't be left in the dust - there are 75 million people out there, just a few keystrokes away. Let's do the math:

- Email 50,000 sales letters (takes about 1-2 hours)
- Let's say your product will bring you $5 profit per   sale.
- Let's also say you only get a 1% response(occasionally higher).

* That's 500 orders x $5 = $2,500 profit !! Now imagine what 500,000 letters would do for your business !!

WHAT CAN I MARKET ON-LINE?

You can market anything on-line using direct email, that can be marketed using conventional postal direct mail marketing. The possibilities are practically endless. If it sells off-line, you can sell it on-line.

EASY TO INSTALL AND EASY TO LEARN

The Floodgate Email Loader requires Windows. The SUPPLIED MANUAL tells you where to go, what to do, and how to do it. All you need are basic computer skills that can be learned with a little practice or help from our computer savvy technicians.

PROGRAM #2: GOLDRUSH STEALTH MASS MAILER

Do not get this program confused with other slow speed programs that call themselves "STEALTH". This program is the only one in the world that can send email out at HIGH SPEEDS with one single connection to the internet. 

This is NEW, Cutting Edge Email Technology. First Of It's Kind.. The Most Powerful BULK EMAIL SENDER In The World.. NOTHING CAN EVEN COME CLOSE! 

Thanks to our top programmer's, this technology is NOW available and we are the only place you can get it from! 

     *ONLY "ONE" DIAL-UP OR ISDN CONNECTION NEEDED. 
     *NO MORE TERMINATED CONNECTIONS. 
     *NO MORE WAITING TO SEND LARGE AMOUNTS OF EMAIL. 
     *IMMEDIATE RESPONSE TO YOUR MASS MAILINGS. 
     *YOU WILL HAVE ALL THE CONTROL AND CONFIDENCE OF 
       SENDING EMAIL THE WAY IT SHOULD BE SENT... IN HUGE AMOUNTS! 
     *SEND YOUR WHOLE LIST IN ONE DAY, WHETHER IT BE 500,000 
       OR 5 MILLION - AND JUST SIT BACK AND WAIT FOR YOUR 
       ORDERS TO POUR IN. 
     *NO MORE DOWNLOADING UNDELIVERABLE NAMES.

Bulk Emailer's Dream Come True!!! - >>>GOLDRUSH STEALTH MASS MAILER<<< 

Connect to multiple mail servers (20 or more), make multiple connections to a single server or any combination of the two ( All Simultaneously ) with one single dial-up connection. 

SEND MULTIPLE SIMULTANEOUS MAILINGS... 

View complete details about your mailings. Shows each server your connected to, the status of that connection, how many messages are going out through that connection, etc...

We show you ALL the tricks all the mass e-mailers don't want you to know... 

Here are just a few features the GOLDRUSH STEALTH MASS MAILER offers to you... 

     *Forge the Header - Message ID - ISP's will Spin their wheels. 
     *Add's a Bogus Authenticated Sender to the Header. 
     *Add's a complete bogus Received From / Received By line with 
      real time / date stamp and recipient to the Header. 
     *Does NOT require a valid POP Account be entered in order to 
      send your mailings. 
     *Easy to use and operate 
     *Plus much more! 

All this, at speeds of up to 1,000's messages/hour
(28.8k modem). 

SPECIAL INTRODUCTORY PRICE... 

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Try the Goldrush Stealth Mass Mailer & Floodgate Bulk Email Loader for 10 days FREE. 
And receive UNLIMITED technical support for 30 days.

**************************************************************

		68+ MILLION  EMAIL ADDRESSES
	MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF EMAIL ADDRESSES

CD with 68+ MILLION email addresses separated by domain name.
All addresses are simple text format one per line. Addresses
from the following domains: MCI, Delphi, Compuserve, Internet, .com & .net,  MILLIONS OF THEM! Not available on diskette or download.

===> WANT THE 68+ MILLION ADDRESSES FOR $100.00? <===

Just buy our Floodgate / Goldrush software package (with ALL
the bonuses INCLUDED), and the MILLIONS of addresses are yours
for just $100.00 additional.

These addresses will be delivered to you in simple text files
that any bulk emailing program can use, on CD Rom. With this CD,
YOU CAN BEGIN MAKING MONEY IMMEDIATELY!!!

***************************************************************

***SPECIAL BONUS #1:*** STOP Losing ISP Dial Up Accounts! 

If you order The FLOODGATE / GOLDRUSH software within the next 5 days - When you receive your program, you will also receive: 

*Complete instructions on "how to keep your dial up account from  showing up in the header", plus everything you will need to get started doing this. 

IMPORTANT NOTICE! We will initially only be offering 100 copies of the program for sale, First come / First Served basis only. We are doing this because of the extreme power that these programs offer.


***SPECIAL BONUS #2*** 

When you receive your two programs, you will also receive:
OVER 250 REPRINT AND RESELL RIGHTS REPORTS YOU CAN START TO MARKET
AND MAKE MONEY IMMEDIATELY!!! 

     These HOT sellers include: 
     1) How to Get a Top Rating in the Search Engines 
     2) 70 Money Making Reports 
     3) 75 MONEY MAKING PLANS & TRADE SECRETS and MUCH MUCH MORE!!!  
         ($200 RETAIL VALUE - FREE!!!) 


***SPECIAL BONUS #3***

With your two software programs, you will also receive our NEW "Address Grabber" utility program that enables you to grab 100's of THOUSANDS of email addresses from
newsgroups in minutes ($100 RETAIL VALUE - FREE).


***SPECIAL BONUS #4***

RECEIVE CHECKS BY EMAIL, PHONE OR FAX MACHINE. With this software
program, you can receive payment for your product or service INSTANTLY!!
There is no more waiting for your customers chec to arrive. This
software will no doubt, add to your sales, for customers who
don't have credit cards, as well as the impulse buyers.

With this software, you can print up your payments as soon as your
customer gives you his/her checking information. You will then
add the information given, to the proper blank check spaces, then
just print and go to the bank!!

         ***************************************************

To get your FREE demo and "test drive" our state-of-the-art software, 
email us your request by hitting reply and typing "flood"
in the subject of your letter.

         ****************************************************

              HURRY ... RESERVE YOURS TODAY! 

So, if you are interested in taking advantage of the most powerful bulk 
email software in the world and start making money hand over fist.....

Print out the EZ ORDER form below and FAX or MAIL it to our office.

If you have any questions don't hesitate to call us at: 1-954-784-0312

SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS

386 or larger
Windows 95 OR Windows 3.1 with 8 meg ram
Extra 5 MB hard drive space

Floodgate & Goldrush can be run on a fast Mac with 24 MB RAM and SoftWindows.

NOTES FROM SATISFIED USERS

"It is everything you said it was. Within one week of my first mailing, I received a record number of orders. All you need to print money is a decent sales letter. Thanks." Randy albertson, Wolverine Capital.

"After using Floodgate and your utility program all day today, let me say these are as two of the finest programs I have ever bought in my 52 years! Your support has been superb. Thank You!" Vernon Hale, Prime Data Systems

"My first day and I just used Floodgate and Pegasus to send 1,469 sales letters. So far I've got about 25 positive responses. It works GREAT!!! Thanks." Donald Prior

"Floodgate is awesome!. I recently started a new business on-line. I stripped the addresses of the AOL & CIS classifieds. I sent out 3,497 email letters and got over 400 people to join my company in 5 days! Needless to say, it pays for itself." David Sheeham, OMPD

"I was able to use Floodgate to extract the names from the Internet news groups. It works perfectly. Needless to say, I am very excited about the use of this new technology." Mark Eberra, Inside Connections

"This is a great piece of software and an invaluable marketing tool." Joe Kuhn, The Millennium Group

"I just thought you'd like to know that this program is fantastic. After loading it on my system, I wanted to test it out. In my first hour of using this, I collected 6,092 email addresses!" Richard Kahn, LD Communications

"I just love the Floodgate program. It saves me hours and hours of time. This is the beginning of a wonderful FUN time marketing on-line. Thank you so much for writing this program." Beth O'Neill, Eudora, KS

"Your software is brilliant, and from the technical support I've received, I can see you have a genuine love and respect of people...Floodgate is a divine package. Wish I had found it sooner." Tom Sanders, Peoria, IL

"I really like the way the Floodgate software package works. It is very easy to use, and really does the trick. It has already saved me an incredible amount of time and energy." John Berning, Jr., Fairfield, NJ

"It's going great with FLOODGATE! I like using Delphi. I just collected 50,000+ addresses within 20 minutes on-line." Richard Kahn, R&B Associates

-------------------------------------------------
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Please print out this order form and fill in the blanks......
Please send order form and check or money order, payable to:

Dave Mustachi
P.O. Box 772261
Coral Springs, FL 33077-2261
(954) 784-0312


______Yes! I would like to try your cutting-edge software so that I can advertise my business to thousands of people on-line whenever I like! I understand that I have 10 days to trial the software. If I am not fully delighted, I will cheerfully be refunded the purchase price, no questions asked! Please rush me the FLOODGATE and GOLDRUSH package now!

______I am ordering within 72 hours! That qualifies me to receive the FLOODGATE and GOLDRUSH package at a substantial discount! I am ordering BOTH software packages for only $349.95. (Save $150 off the retail price....Software has sold for as much as $2,499.95)

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want to order your 40 MILLION email addresses on CD. Enclosed is $249.00.

______I'm ordering your "BULK FRIENDLY" web hosting offer. Add
$145 to this order ($45 PLUS $100 one time setup fee)

I authorize Dave Mustachi to draft $45.00 per month from my
checking account from the enclosed check OR charge my credit
card account below each month for the service of hosting my
BULK FRIENDLY web page that I can use in my BULK EMAIL
marketing letter(s).


Signature:____________________________________________

	****************************************************
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Russell Rockefeller 1-905-714-7510 for details.

	****************************************************

(CHECKS: ALLOW 1 WEEK FOR BANK CLEARANCE)


YOUR NAME_________________________________________________

COMPANY NAME_________________________________________________

YOUR POSITION_____________________________________________

STREET ADDRESS______________________________________________

CITY, STATE, ZIP____________________________________________

PHONE NUMBERS_______________________________________________

FAX NUMBERS_________________________________________________

EMAIL ADDRESSES_____________________________________________

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From rdshea at 12291.com  Sun Mar  8 05:02:51 1998
From: rdshea at 12291.com (rdshea at 12291.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:02:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: This is your NEW HOUSE,  or BOAT, or ROLLS ROYCE
Message-ID: <>



This is your NEW HOUSE,  or BOAT, or ROLLS ROYCE
THIS CAN BE YOUR BEST OF DREAMS......TRY IT!



THIS MAY BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT LETTER 
                                      YOU WILL RECEIVE THIS YEAR!!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
***Please,... Follow The Instructions Of This  Letter Very Carefully.       Immediately Make  A Copy,  And Read It Twice.*** 

Subject: It's Only a Game, But You Win Big Money!

Greetings, 

Hopefully my name is still on the list below. I am a retired
attorney, and about two years ago a man came to me with a letter. The
letter he brought me is basically the same as the letter in front of you
now. He asked me to verify the fact that this letter was legal. I told him
that I would review it and get back to him. When I first read the letter I
thought it was some off-the-wall idea to make money. A week later I
met again with my client to discuss the issue. I told him that the letter 
originally brought to me was not 100% legal. My client asked me to
alter the letter to make it 100% legal. I advised him to make a small 
change in the letter and it would be alright.
I was curious about the letter, so he told me how it works. I thought it
was a long shot, so I decided against participating. Before my client
left, I asked him to keep me updated as to his results. About two 
months later he called to tell me that he had received over $800,000
in cash! I didn't believe him so he asked me to try the plan and see 
for myself. I thought about it for a couple of days and decided that 
there was not much to lose. I followed the instructions exactly and 
mailed out 200 letters. Sure enough, the money started coming! 
It came slowly at first, but after three weeks I was getting more 
than I could open in a day. After about three months the money 
stopped coming. I kept a precise record of my earnings and at the
end it totaled $868,439.00.

I was earning a good living as a lawyer, but as anyone in the legal
profession will tell you, there is a lot of stress that comes with the
job. I told myself if things worked out I would retire from practice and
play golf. I decided to try the letter again, but this time I sent 500
letters out. Well, three months later I had totaled $2,344,178.00!!! I
just couldn't believe it. I met my old client for lunch to find out how
this exactly works. He told me that there were a few similar letters 
going around. What made this one different is the fact that there are
six names on the letter, not five like most others. That fact alone
resulted in far more returns. The other factor was the advice I gave
him in making sure the whole thing was perfectly legal, since no one
wants to risk doing anything illegal.
                               
I bet by now you are curious about what little change I told him to
make. Well, if you send a letter like this out, to be legal, you must sell
something if you expect to receive a dollar. I told him that anyone
sending a dollar out must receive something in return. So when you 
send a dollar to each of the six names on the list, you must include a 
slip of paper saying, "Please put me on your mailing list" and include 
your name, mailing address, and email address. (Your phone # is optional).
This is the key to the program! The item you will receive for a dollar you 
send to the six names below, is this letter and the right to earn thousands. 
We will be working together to improve each others lives!

Follow the simple instructions below exactly, and in less than three
months you will receive over $800,000.00 GUARANTEED!!!!!!

A)  Immediately send $1.00 to each of the six people on the list below.
Wrap the dollar in a note (type written or handwritten) saying
"Please add me to your mailing list" and include your name, 
mailing address, and email address. Your phone number is optional:

1) Anthony Thomas  8150 East Hildale St.  Detroit, MI  48234
2) Claudia Stephan PO Box 1819 Carmichael, CA 95609
3) Anita Volsh PO Box 2408 Fair Oaks, CA 95628
4) Nadia Segun PO Box 1357 Rancho Cordova, CA 95741
5) Lidia Zoring  3500 Data dr. # 147 Rancho Cordova, CA 95670
6) James Thomas 11329 S Peoria St. Chicago, IL 60643


B) Remove the name next to #1 on the list and move the rest of the names
up one position. Then place your name in the #6 spot. This is best done by
typing a new list and taping or gluing it over the old one. Or by saving
this to a text file and editing it yourself and saving the new edited 
copy.

C) When you have completed the above instructions, you have an option
of mailing your new letter out in two ways: 1) Through the U.S. Postal
Service or 2) through e-mail. This letter has been proven perfectly legal
for both ways as long as you follow the above instructions, because you're
purchasing membership in an exclusive mailing list . To mail this 
out over the internet, you can browse through areas and find people to 
send  this to all the time. All you have to do is cut and paste email addresses 
wherever you are on the Internet. Remember, it doesn't cost anything to 
mail on the Internet. Or you can get a Mass Mail Network to mail it
out in large volumes for you.                         

2


One that we recommend is:
Cyber Mail ($15 / 200 names) ($25 / 500 names) ($50 / 1,500 names) 
16500 North Park Dr.
Suite 413
Southfield, MI  48075
(248) 557-7778

Either way will bring big payoffs. If you 
are going to use the traditional U.S. Postal Service to do this program, 
you will want to order a minimum 200 names from a mailing list company. 
Two that have been most effective for these lists are: 

***Be sure to ask for "Opportunity Seekers" and request a list less
      than 30 days old***

S.E. Ring Mailing List ($26 / 200 names)
P.O Box 15061
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33318 (954) 742-9519

Advon Distributors ($28 / 200 names)
P.O. Box B-11
Shelly, ID 83274 (800) 992-3866

***Keep in mind- there is no limit to the amount of names you can send 
      out.  The more names you send, the more money you'll make.
      We strongly encourage you to mail this letter to family, friends and 
      relatives as well.*** 
     

D) When your mailing list arrives, place one label on a stamped
envelope and drop it in the mail box (Be sure to send out at least 200). 
Within 90 days, you will receive over $800,000. 

E)  Keep a copy of this letter and all the names you receive. Mail it out 
again in about 6 months. But mail it to the addresses you received with 
each dollar. It will work again, only much better.

THIS IS A SERVICE AND IS 100% LEGAL !
(Refer to title 18, Section 1302 & 1342 of the U.S. Postal and Lottery 
Laws)

3                                                           
                                                          

Assume for example you get a 7.5% return rate, which is very conservative.
My first attempt was about 9.5% and my second time was over 11%.

1) When you mail out 200 letters, 15 people will send you $1.00.
2) Those 15 mail out 200 letters, and 225 people will send you $1.00
3) Those 225 mail out 200 letters, and 3,375 people will send you $1.00
4) Those 3,375 mail out 200 letters, and 50,625 people will send you $1.00
5) Those 50,625 mail out 200 letters, and 759,375 people will send you $1.00 

At this point your name drops off the list,
but so far you have received $813,615.00!!!!!

It works every time, but how well depends on how many letters you send
out. In the example above, you mailed out 200 letters, if you mailed out 500
letters, you would have received $2,006,917!! Check the math yourself,
I want you to, but I guarantee it is correct! With this kind of return,
you've got to try it. Try it once and you will do it again!!!

Just make sure you send a dollar to each of the six names on the list with
a note to be added to their mailing list. Together we will all prosper!!!!

PS  You've read this far, so let me ask you one simple question:

Q.                      What do you have to lose??
A.                       Only $ 6.00 

What you can gain is an income, like the example in this letter.
Small Risk, Small Expense, HUGE Potential Return!!!
What do you have to loose?
I invite you to join our mailing list today!!!

Don't throw this away. Keep it, think about it, and in several months you will try it!


I looked at it for over two months and then I said "it's only $6" I have to be nuts not to try it.








From rdshea at 12291.com  Sun Mar  8 05:02:51 1998
From: rdshea at 12291.com (rdshea at 12291.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 05:02:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: This is your NEW HOUSE,  or BOAT, or ROLLS ROYCE
Message-ID: <>



This is your NEW HOUSE,  or BOAT, or ROLLS ROYCE
THIS CAN BE YOUR BEST OF DREAMS......TRY IT!



THIS MAY BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT LETTER 
                                      YOU WILL RECEIVE THIS YEAR!!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
***Please,... Follow The Instructions Of This  Letter Very Carefully.       Immediately Make  A Copy,  And Read It Twice.*** 

Subject: It's Only a Game, But You Win Big Money!

Greetings, 

Hopefully my name is still on the list below. I am a retired
attorney, and about two years ago a man came to me with a letter. The
letter he brought me is basically the same as the letter in front of you
now. He asked me to verify the fact that this letter was legal. I told him
that I would review it and get back to him. When I first read the letter I
thought it was some off-the-wall idea to make money. A week later I
met again with my client to discuss the issue. I told him that the letter 
originally brought to me was not 100% legal. My client asked me to
alter the letter to make it 100% legal. I advised him to make a small 
change in the letter and it would be alright.
I was curious about the letter, so he told me how it works. I thought it
was a long shot, so I decided against participating. Before my client
left, I asked him to keep me updated as to his results. About two 
months later he called to tell me that he had received over $800,000
in cash! I didn't believe him so he asked me to try the plan and see 
for myself. I thought about it for a couple of days and decided that 
there was not much to lose. I followed the instructions exactly and 
mailed out 200 letters. Sure enough, the money started coming! 
It came slowly at first, but after three weeks I was getting more 
than I could open in a day. After about three months the money 
stopped coming. I kept a precise record of my earnings and at the
end it totaled $868,439.00.

I was earning a good living as a lawyer, but as anyone in the legal
profession will tell you, there is a lot of stress that comes with the
job. I told myself if things worked out I would retire from practice and
play golf. I decided to try the letter again, but this time I sent 500
letters out. Well, three months later I had totaled $2,344,178.00!!! I
just couldn't believe it. I met my old client for lunch to find out how
this exactly works. He told me that there were a few similar letters 
going around. What made this one different is the fact that there are
six names on the letter, not five like most others. That fact alone
resulted in far more returns. The other factor was the advice I gave
him in making sure the whole thing was perfectly legal, since no one
wants to risk doing anything illegal.
                               
I bet by now you are curious about what little change I told him to
make. Well, if you send a letter like this out, to be legal, you must sell
something if you expect to receive a dollar. I told him that anyone
sending a dollar out must receive something in return. So when you 
send a dollar to each of the six names on the list, you must include a 
slip of paper saying, "Please put me on your mailing list" and include 
your name, mailing address, and email address. (Your phone # is optional).
This is the key to the program! The item you will receive for a dollar you 
send to the six names below, is this letter and the right to earn thousands. 
We will be working together to improve each others lives!

Follow the simple instructions below exactly, and in less than three
months you will receive over $800,000.00 GUARANTEED!!!!!!

A)  Immediately send $1.00 to each of the six people on the list below.
Wrap the dollar in a note (type written or handwritten) saying
"Please add me to your mailing list" and include your name, 
mailing address, and email address. Your phone number is optional:

1) Anthony Thomas  8150 East Hildale St.  Detroit, MI  48234
2) Claudia Stephan PO Box 1819 Carmichael, CA 95609
3) Anita Volsh PO Box 2408 Fair Oaks, CA 95628
4) Nadia Segun PO Box 1357 Rancho Cordova, CA 95741
5) Lidia Zoring  3500 Data dr. # 147 Rancho Cordova, CA 95670
6) James Thomas 11329 S Peoria St. Chicago, IL 60643


B) Remove the name next to #1 on the list and move the rest of the names
up one position. Then place your name in the #6 spot. This is best done by
typing a new list and taping or gluing it over the old one. Or by saving
this to a text file and editing it yourself and saving the new edited 
copy.

C) When you have completed the above instructions, you have an option
of mailing your new letter out in two ways: 1) Through the U.S. Postal
Service or 2) through e-mail. This letter has been proven perfectly legal
for both ways as long as you follow the above instructions, because you're
purchasing membership in an exclusive mailing list . To mail this 
out over the internet, you can browse through areas and find people to 
send  this to all the time. All you have to do is cut and paste email addresses 
wherever you are on the Internet. Remember, it doesn't cost anything to 
mail on the Internet. Or you can get a Mass Mail Network to mail it
out in large volumes for you.                         

2


One that we recommend is:
Cyber Mail ($15 / 200 names) ($25 / 500 names) ($50 / 1,500 names) 
16500 North Park Dr.
Suite 413
Southfield, MI  48075
(248) 557-7778

Either way will bring big payoffs. If you 
are going to use the traditional U.S. Postal Service to do this program, 
you will want to order a minimum 200 names from a mailing list company. 
Two that have been most effective for these lists are: 

***Be sure to ask for "Opportunity Seekers" and request a list less
      than 30 days old***

S.E. Ring Mailing List ($26 / 200 names)
P.O Box 15061
Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33318 (954) 742-9519

Advon Distributors ($28 / 200 names)
P.O. Box B-11
Shelly, ID 83274 (800) 992-3866

***Keep in mind- there is no limit to the amount of names you can send 
      out.  The more names you send, the more money you'll make.
      We strongly encourage you to mail this letter to family, friends and 
      relatives as well.*** 
     

D) When your mailing list arrives, place one label on a stamped
envelope and drop it in the mail box (Be sure to send out at least 200). 
Within 90 days, you will receive over $800,000. 

E)  Keep a copy of this letter and all the names you receive. Mail it out 
again in about 6 months. But mail it to the addresses you received with 
each dollar. It will work again, only much better.

THIS IS A SERVICE AND IS 100% LEGAL !
(Refer to title 18, Section 1302 & 1342 of the U.S. Postal and Lottery 
Laws)

3                                                           
                                                          

Assume for example you get a 7.5% return rate, which is very conservative.
My first attempt was about 9.5% and my second time was over 11%.

1) When you mail out 200 letters, 15 people will send you $1.00.
2) Those 15 mail out 200 letters, and 225 people will send you $1.00
3) Those 225 mail out 200 letters, and 3,375 people will send you $1.00
4) Those 3,375 mail out 200 letters, and 50,625 people will send you $1.00
5) Those 50,625 mail out 200 letters, and 759,375 people will send you $1.00 

At this point your name drops off the list,
but so far you have received $813,615.00!!!!!

It works every time, but how well depends on how many letters you send
out. In the example above, you mailed out 200 letters, if you mailed out 500
letters, you would have received $2,006,917!! Check the math yourself,
I want you to, but I guarantee it is correct! With this kind of return,
you've got to try it. Try it once and you will do it again!!!

Just make sure you send a dollar to each of the six names on the list with
a note to be added to their mailing list. Together we will all prosper!!!!

PS  You've read this far, so let me ask you one simple question:

Q.                      What do you have to lose??
A.                       Only $ 6.00 

What you can gain is an income, like the example in this letter.
Small Risk, Small Expense, HUGE Potential Return!!!
What do you have to loose?
I invite you to join our mailing list today!!!

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From meconlen at IntNet.net  Sun Mar  8 06:03:16 1998
From: meconlen at IntNet.net (Michael Conlen)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 06:03:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Telco Trafic
Message-ID: 


Are their products designed to encrypt trafic across Frame Relay or
dedicated telco circuits?

					Groove on Dude
					Michael Conlen
					meconlen at intnet.com

The code was willing,
It considered your request,
But the chips were weak.






From honig at otc.net  Sun Mar  8 10:44:19 1998
From: honig at otc.net (David Honig)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:44:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Schneier on SET
Message-ID: 



from Internet World, 2 Mar 98, "Reply to All" (reader feedback)


Credit card transactions over the Net are new, but
not overly different.

We know how to do credit card transactions where there
is no physical card: over the pohne.  And we know how to
establish a secure merchant-customer session: via SSL.
SET is a complicated, server-intensive protocol, and I have trouble
believing
 its possible to implement a two-inch-thick standard without security bugs.
 I'm not surprised merchants are so slow in acepting it.  Why bother?

[signed by Bruce Schneier]





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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Sun Mar  8 13:19:13 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:19:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Telco Trafic
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980308123545.008c6100@popd.ix.netcom.com>


At 08:56 AM 3/8/98 -0500, Michael Conlen wrote:
>Are their products designed to encrypt trafic across Frame Relay or
>dedicated telco circuits?

There are a wide variety of products to do that.
I mainly do ATM, for which there aren't many;  there are a few
for frame relay, and there are lots for private line at low-medium speeds,
e.g. 56kbps through T1 (1.544Mbps), though not too many above T1.
Cylink is a popular vendor.

Also, a number of routers either currently or soon will support crypto;
if you're already using one brand on both ends then you can set up
the crypto features, but if you're doing higher speeds you may have
performance limitations.
				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





From die at die.com  Sun Mar  8 13:35:04 1998
From: die at die.com (Dave Emery)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:35:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [LEGAL] Crypto as Contraband?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <19980308163525.22538@die.com>


On Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 01:55:29PM -0500, Vin McLellan wrote:
> 
> 	Whoever at NSA decided that the US national security interests in
> crippled-crypto products, such as it is, could be sustained by such a
> mechanism obvously never heard of the 2600 tone, once the biggest secret of
> the telephone companies. And those who ignore the past, etc., etc....

	As someone who was alive and curious back then (mid 60's), I'd
take issue with this.  I found plenty of technical papers in the Bell
System Technical Journal proudly describing so called SF E&M signalling
(which uses 2600 hz) in great detail, along with MFKP  (blue box tones)
and the whole signalling and switching architecture of the (then) Bell
system. They were proud of what they had developed and quite willing to
share it with the technical community - it was no dark secret at all. 
There was even a technical paper that described in detail a bizzare two
frequency one transistor oscillator that allowed them to build what was
essentially a blue box into a operator console keypad.

	The problem was that nobody outside of a few insider engineers
with devious twisted hacker style imaginations  and the spook agency
types had ever asked what might happen if you sent these in-band tones
down the line from a subscriber telephone at just the right (or wrong)
moments, and what it might be possible to do with this knowlage.  
Nobody else knew or cared to find out what might happen if...

	It is a sad day for US national security if people entrusted
with protecting it don't think about how to defeat the protections they
put in place because they are linear thinkers hobbled by the idea that
everyone will do only the most obvious things.  But I really think that
they perfectly well know that current software can be easily patched to
defeat controls, and that there is little they can do  about it.  Nor is
the threat from software patches to Netscape really likely to endanger
much, since there is already a lot of software like PGP available that
is already strong.  In fact I rather suspect that they are quite happy
to see that patch in ciculation since it substantially bolsters their
long held insistance that all crypto be implemented in tamperproof
hardware chips and not software.

	What scares me, as I have said before on this list, is what
happens when future tamperproof Intel CPUs acquire the ability to run
encrypted code decrypted inside the processor and all copies of Windows
2001 are completely unpatchable and opaque (without breaking the crypto)
and nicely jiggered to enforce rules about what programs are allowed to
do what or even run at all.  

-- 
	Dave Emery N1PRE,  die at die.com  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. 
PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2  5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18






From frantz at netcom.com  Sun Mar  8 14:34:37 1998
From: frantz at netcom.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:34:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [LEGAL] Crypto as Contraband?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


At 1:35 PM -0800 3/8/98, Dave Emery wrote:
>	What scares me, as I have said before on this list, is what
>happens when future tamperproof Intel CPUs acquire the ability to run
>encrypted code decrypted inside the processor and all copies of Windows
>2001 are completely unpatchable and opaque (without breaking the crypto)
>and nicely jiggered to enforce rules about what programs are allowed to
>do what or even run at all.

I think the logical result of the wide-spread deployment of such systems in
the US is loss of leadership in technology.  Modern technology is very
dependent on high performance software.  Between cutting off small scale
development and pissing off licensed developers, it sounds like a way to
cut the nation's throat.

It is hard to see how you could make an OS that prevented you from building
a Touring machine and still support the generalized programming needed for
technological leadership.  I expect that encrypted instruction streams will
only be used for copy protection, probably with the same market acceptance
that other copy protection schemes have received.


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From die at die.com  Sun Mar  8 14:47:10 1998
From: die at die.com (Dave Emery)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 14:47:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [LEGAL] Crypto as Contraband?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <19980308174741.48691@die.com>


On Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 04:35:25PM -0500, Dave Emery wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 01:55:29PM -0500, Vin McLellan wrote:
> > 
> 	What scares me, as I have said before on this list, is what
> happens when future tamperproof Intel CPUs acquire the ability to run
> encrypted code decrypted inside the processor and all copies of Windows
> 2001 are completely unpatchable and opaque (without breaking the crypto)
> and nicely jiggered to enforce rules about what programs are allowed to
> do what or even run at all.  
> 
	To amplify my point a bit, it is widely reported that Bill Gates
(who is alleged to have started out in business by pirating and selling
DEC software as a high school student) has a particularly keen desire to
control the widespread piracy of MS products.  His aggressive pushes to
assert his property rights are well known (and not atypical of reformed
sinners if the probably apocryphal report is true). 

	And Microsoft, with its enormous market share of Wintel
software, has a very strong incentive to push for implementation of
copyright controls and smartcard authentication for its products into
the basic architecture of PCs.  And guess what - it controls the high
level architecture of the worlds PCs pretty much entirely by its
monopoly control of the major operating systems that run on them.   So
it seems frighteningly likely that Microsoft - which would stand to gain
a lot of money now lost to piracy from such a feature - will very gladly
do all it can to see that crypto based strong copyright enforcement is
built into the hardware and inner regions of the operationg system of
Wintel systems.

	And making this work clearly requires that the relevant parts of
the inner kernel be unmodifiable (easy to do with digital signatures),
and probably kept extremely secret (easy to do with crypto).  In such an
environment it is awfully easy to strike a deal with the government that
adds a little piece or two of code in that black inner space in exchange
for a bending a bit on anti-trust enforcement.  


-- 
	Dave Emery N1PRE,  die at die.com  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. 
PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2  5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18






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From die at die.com  Sun Mar  8 17:59:18 1998
From: die at die.com ('die@die.com')
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:59:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Encryption export controls are a rationalization of a "cheat"
In-Reply-To: <413AC08141DBD011A58000A0C924A6D50D7DC5@MVS2>
Message-ID: <19980308205943.36290@die.com>


On Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 01:59:53PM -0800, Ernest Hua wrote:

> today.  I am not aware of what cellular spectrum chip sets are available
> via Wyle or some other distributor, but I wouldn't be surprised if the
> cost of a digital intercept equivalent gear would be much more than $300
> in parts plus a 300MHz PC (to decode the intercepted stream).

	I don't think I'll bother the list with this, but a big problem
with cellphones is that people have cellphones.  And cellphones are
generally not designed to be tamperproof (in many cases little or no
effort in this cost competitive market has gone into this) so making
a real cellphone serve as the front end to a snooping system has and will
be done and in fact be the easiest hack engineering solution.

> 
> The question is, what is worth the potential interceptor's time and
> money to do this?  It's obvious that politics is enough for the Florida
> couple (in the Gingrich case).  For a college-age hacker, "because I can
> do it" plus "I work in a well-stocked University lab" is probably enough
> reason.  I won't venture to guess what is worth a criminal's time and
> money, but surely existing models for analog piracy behavior is enough
> to characterize the trade-offs.

	There are lots and lots of people who like to be spectators
and are keenly interested in other people's affairs.  All of us are
to some degree - witness the feeding frenzy over the Monica affair -
and some guestimates have estimated that perhaps as much as 40% of
analog cell calls near large cities are being eavesdropped on by
at least one other person.

> 
> In short, we violently agree on the technical plus behavioral front.
> But we are preaching to the choir.  The real audience for a
> easy-to-understand summary is Congress.  They need to understand that
> the assumptions 30 years ago do not apply today.  And that market demand
> for more and more technically-literate engineering professionals along
> with the phenomenal downward price spiral in PC's and consumer
> electronics gear will simply make those assumptions even less applicable
> in the future.

	That problem is getting worse rather than better.  The media 
depiction of the mysterious "hacker" long haired mad kid intent on evil
invasion of the worlds computers is helping create the illusion
that there is a separate techno criminal class.  But the reality is
that more and more people are crossing the barriers that the older lawyers
in congress never tried to cross and learning something about technology 
and software.   And these people are the guy next door with the cute
kids, not fringe crazies.   And the evil net allows information to
become available much more widely than before.

> 
> Regarding my moral or ethical argument, I am using the fuzzy standard
> set by what society will accept or not accept.

	From my perspective, there are deep divisions and ambivalences
in what the US people will tolerate.  They hate the idea of being spied open
but buy nanny cams and gobble up spy novels and TV shows.   They purchase
millions of police scanners and react in horror when Linda Tripp tapes 
a conversation to protect her ass.   And they expect the US government
to be on top of events around the world and have inside knowlage of 
other governments and react in horror when their spies are unmasked
within our walls, and their eavesdropping gets shown on the nightly
news.  And cities install more and more cameras and bosses read more
email and listen to more calls on business phones every year.


>  I don't think I need to
> argue that most American citizens will be really really pissed if they
> found out that the NSA is spying here via their British counterparts, or
> that the FBI has conducted far more intercepts than they officially
> report.

	Yes, its definately sausage but it tastes good...


>  I am definitely not arguing that the FBI or the NSA has any
> obligation to inform the public of what weaknesses they use to gain an
> intercept advantage.  What concerns most people is that they see
> (correctly) that the NSA's advantage was not based on technical
> superiority, but on the ignorance of everyone else.

	That is true, and it is also sadly true that a lot of their
effort has gone into frank deception, and active determined efforts to block
those of us who have been fighting for incorperating at least minimal
crypto communications security into the infrastructure.

	The Internet is ending this era, however, because it is no
longer possible to control the flow of information and news about 
communications security and crypto, and slowly the holes will get
plugged.

  People do get more
> intelligent over time, and the rapid public gain in the cryptography
> area has pretty much wiped out the gains the NSA has depended on over
> the last 50 years.  If the average person understands that what the FBI
> and the NSA REALLY want is for you to be stupid (at least in the area of
> communications security), then there would be an uproar.
> 
	This is happening, and that is why Louie is grabbing desperately
for the last chance... and why congress is busily passing anti scanner
bills to solve the cellphone privacy problem that don't mention a thing
about cryptography.

	Their desparate hope is if they say it solomnly enough and with
enough ceremony the public will see the emporer's clothes


-- 
	Dave Emery N1PRE,  die at die.com  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. 
PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2  5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18






From roger at world.std.com  Sun Mar  8 18:24:22 1998
From: roger at world.std.com (Roger H Tancrell)
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:24:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Wrong Address???
Message-ID: 


To Cypherpunks:

In the last couple days, I have received many, many e-mail messages.

How did I get your your group list???  Perhaps, you have the wrong
"Roger".

Please remove my name.

Thanks.  Roger Tancrell








From jya at pipeline.com  Mon Mar  9 04:10:50 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 04:10:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Matt Blaze KE Patent
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980309121223.007120d4@pop.pipeline.com>


9 March 1998, MicroPatent:

Escrow key management system for accessing encrypted data with 
portable cryptographic modules (Assignee -- Lucent Technologies 
Inc.)

Abstract: A cryptographic module, such as a smartcard, is 
designed to a) store decrypting software programs, and information 
indicative of predetermined conditions under which an escrow agent 
is enabled to use the software programs stored on the module to 
decrypt encrypted data files, and b) records for audit purposes, 
information indicating every time the software programs are used 
for decryption. 

Ex Claim Text: A system for managing access to one or more 
encrypted data files stored in a computer system, said system 
comprising: a file of the computer system which associates a 
cryptographic key with a cryptographic module that is subsequently 
assigned to a selected user; a memory of the cryptographic module 
which stores a) access information allowing use of the cryptographic 
module by the selected user under specific conditions, said access 
information including the cryptographic key, a corresponding 
cryptographic passphrase and a software program to decrypt the one 
or more encrypted data files; means responsive to receiving at said 
cryptographic module said corresponding cryptographic passphrase 
from said selected user, for a) permitting decryption of said one 
or more data flies when the specific conditions are met, and b) 
recording in said memory transactional information associated with 
said decryption, and b) uses said cryptographic module for the 
purpose of decrypting one or more of said data files; and means for 
querying at a later time said cryptographic module to retrieve said 
transactional information recorded on said memory.

Assignee: Lucent Technologies Inc. 

Patent Number: 5721777 

Issue Date: 1998 02 24 

Inventor(s): Blaze, Matthew A. 

If you would like to purchase a copy of this patent, please call 
MicroPatent at 800-648-6787. 







From jamesd at echeque.com  Sun Mar  8 12:27:22 1998
From: jamesd at echeque.com (James A. Donald)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 04:27:22 +0800
Subject: [LEGAL] Crypto as Contraband?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 



    --
At 06:20 PM 3/6/98 -0800, Tim May wrote:
> How could any "outlawing of unescrowed crypto" conceivably
> deal with this vast amount of distributed software? Will a
> user of RSA's MailSafe program face jail time for using a
> program he legally bought in 1991 (as I did)?
>
> More questions than answers. Can anybody help me to
> understand the legal issues?

You are getting out of date.  As the rule of law dissolves,
legal issues become insignificant, and will in due course
vanish altogether.

For example nobody knows what are the "legal issues" with
putting strong crypto on a web site, as I have done.
According to what the legislation says, what I have done is
completely in accord with legislation.  Indeed, it is
completely in accord with US legislation simply to post the
stuff. on any server inside the US, the foreigner doing the
download is violating the legislation, not the person who put
it up.  I have gone considerably further than is required by
legislation, though not nearly as far as some others have
gone.

But mere legislation counts for less and less these days.  If
you read the business press, you will frequently read them
complain of cases where the distinctions between executive,
legal, and judicial powers are effectively dissolved, and
penalties are in effect adminstratively applied for undefined
offences, or retrospectively and administratively defined
offences, often in ways that appear to personally enrich those
administering these quasi judicial powers.

Generally this sort of thing is only applied to people who
are unpleasant and unpopular.  Tobacco companies, junk bond
merchants whose businesses have been more profitable for
themselves than for many of their investors, and the like.
Of course this creates a large vested interest in demonizing
more and more people, so that more and more people can be
dealt with in this fashion.

Similar measures are applied not only to alleged recreational
drug distributors, but to lawyers who defend alleged
recreational drug distributors, but the business press tends
to report such cases less. 

Meanwhile formerly totalitarian countries, such as China and
Cuba, where there used to be no such things as laws, merely
some people having the power to harm other people, power
exercised in accordance with rules that those subject to this
power were forbidden to know, are moving towards the rule of
law.  It used to be that if someone imprisoned in Cuba were
to discover the actual reason for his imprisonment, he might
possibly suffer some draconian additional punishment for
improper possession of state secrets.

In a fully totalitarian state, the regime does not have rules
for most people, merely goals and desires.  If some desire is
not fulfilled, the masters will go around killing people more
or less at random until somebody fulfills that desire, or
until they have killed so many people that they suspect that
what they desire is not readily achievable, or sometimes
until they simply run out of people who might be able to
assist in fulfilling that desire.  For example all people
possessing certain skills and experience were wiped out by

Stalin, and in Cambodia everyone connected to the jute
industry in any way. Such rules as exist only apply to the
privileged, to those administering the terror, not to those
terrorized.

Crypto legislation is likely to resemble the announcement of 
a desire, rather than the announcement of rules and 
restrictions likely to fulfill that desire.  Indeed, the
proposals we have so far seen are desires, not rules. 

As you point out, that desire cannot be fulfilled, except by
means that further radically undermine the rule of law.


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         James A. Donald
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     43jg9sJBVPllkPf+Yt2ByoAf/sIdt9xbXwh/wMV+Z







From tsudik at pollux.usc.edu  Mon Mar  9 09:02:08 1998
From: tsudik at pollux.usc.edu (Gene Tsudik)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:02:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Final CFP: 5th ACM Conference on Computer and Communications Security
Message-ID: <199803091701.JAA20079@pollux.usc.edu>



                          Final Call for Papers

                          Fifth ACM Conference on
                    Computer and Communications Security

                          San Francisco, California
                             November 3-5, 1998
                           Sponsored by ACM SIGSAC

Papers offering novel research contributions in any aspect of computer
security are solicited for submission to the Fifth ACM Conference on
Computer and Communications Security. Papers may present theory, technique,
applications, or practical experience on topics including but not limited to

 access control         authentication           accounting and audit

 mobile code security   applied cryptography     data/system integrity
 
 cryptographic          electronic commerce      intrusion detection
 protocols

 key management         privacy and anonymity    intellectual property
                                                 protection

 information warfare    secure networking        secure operating systems

 viruses and worms      security management      distributed systems
                                                 security

 database security      smart-cards and secure   security verification
                        PDAs

Accepted papers will be presented at the conference and published by the ACM
in a conference proceedings. Outstanding papers will be invited for possible
publication in ACM Transactions on Information and System Security.

Instructions for paper submissions: Submitted papers must not substantially
overlap papers that have been published or that are simultaneously submitted
to a journal or a conference with a proceedings. Papers should be at most 15
pages excluding the bibliography and well-marked appendices (using 11-point
font and reasonable margins on 8.5'x11' paper), and at most 20 pages total.
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   * In addition, submit your paper using ONE of the following two methods.

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          OR

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Submissions received after the submission deadline will be rejected without
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                  Paper submissions due:    April 3, 1998
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Instructions for panel proposals The conference may include panel sessions
addressing topics of interest to the computer security community. Proposals
for panels should be no longer than five (5) pages in length and should
include possible panelists and an indication of which of those panelists
have confirmed participation. Send two (2) hardcopies of your proposal to
the program chair at the address below with a cover letter indicating that
your proposal is for the 5th ACM Conference on Computer and Communications
Security, and listing the proposers' names, email and postal addresses, and
phone and fax numbers.

                   Panel proposals due:     May 1, 1998
                   Acceptance notification: June 5, 1998

 Steering committee chair: Ravi Sandhu, George Mason University
 General chair:            Li Gong, JavaSoft

 Program chair:            Mike Reiter
                           AT&T Labs, Room A269, 180 Park Avenue
                           Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 USA
                           phone: +973-360-8349

 Awards chair:             Jacques Stern, ENS/DMI
 Publication chair:        Stuart Stubblebine, AT&T Labs
 Publicity chair:          Gene Tsudik, USC ISI

Program committee:
 Martin Abadi, DEC SRC              David Naccache, Gemplus
 Bill Cheswick, Lucent/Bell Labs    Hilarie Orman, DARPA/ITO
 Carl Ellison, Cybercash            Avi Rubin, AT&T Labs--Research
 Ed Felten, Princeton University    Pierangela Samarati, Universita di Milano
 Paul Karger, IBM T.J. Watson       Gene Tsudik, USC ISI
 Steve Kent, BBN Corporation        Paul Van Oorschot, Entrust Technologies
 Ueli Maurer, ETH Zurich            Bennet Yee, UCSD
 Cathy Meadows, Naval Res. Lab      Moti Yung, CertCo

For more information, visit http://www.research.att.com/~reiter/ccs5
 			or  http://www.isi.edu/~gts/cfp.html





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From: jtsr-stock at jtsr-stock.com (jtsr-stock at jtsr-stock.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:48:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: JT's Restarants - Excellent Undervauled Investment Opportunity
Message-ID: <199803091748.JAA04824@toad.com>


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From honig at otc.net  Mon Mar  9 10:05:41 1998
From: honig at otc.net (David Honig)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:05:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crypto as contraband
In-Reply-To: <19980306231001.53809@die.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980309094018.007be4f0@otc.net>



>> 	So yes, they have done at least as bad a thing to people who
>> merely want to tinker with their radios and occasionally explore what is
>> out there in the ether by passively and in private receiving radio
>> signals as they have to gun owners,

The morons in congress responded to intercepts of cellphones.  Because
Newt was scanned.  Response: outlaw *cellphones*... which are 
themselves typically programmable as scanners of cell freqs.  And scanners
and programmable RF receivers.

Someone should pick up a congresscritter's monitor (a la van Eyk), then let
them 
make fools of themselves banning television receivers... as video tempest
receiving gear...

[NB: since television Ch 83 overlaps with a cell-phone channel, TVs are
already illegal
under this law, no?  Selling an old analog b/w TV is now punishable by 1/2
million fine... ]

Are they going to ban IR lasers since they can be used to listen to window
vibration?

Remember Tacitus.










------------------------------------------------------------
      David Honig                   Orbit Technology
     honig at otc.net                  Intaanetto Jigyoubu

"I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and
    violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi








	
















From dc at panix.com  Mon Mar  9 12:31:16 1998
From: dc at panix.com (David W. Crawford)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:31:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fred Cohen's The Deception ToolKit (fwd)
Message-ID: <42>


>From comp.risks digest 19.62
 
> ------- Start of forwarded message -------
> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 05:52:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: Fred Cohen 
> Subject: The Deception ToolKit
> 
> I would like to announce and introduce a new security tool available for free
> from over the Internet - The Deception ToolKit - available from http://all.net/
> 
> The Deception ToolKit (DTK) is a toolkit designed to give defenders a couple
> of orders of magnitude advantage over attackers. 
> 
> The basic idea is not new. We use deception to counter attacks. In the case
> of DTK, the deception is intended to make it appear to attackers as if the
> system running DTK has a large number of widely known vulnerabilities. DTK's
> deception is programmable, but it is typically limited to producing output
> in response to attacker input in such a way as to simulate the behavior of a
> system which is vulnerable to the attackers method. This has a few
> interesting side effects: 
> 
>   It increases the attacker's workload because they can't easily tell
>   which of their attack attempts works and which fail. For example, if
>   an attack produces what appears to be a Unix password file, the
>   attacker would normally run "Crack" to try to break into the system.
>   But if the password file is a fake, it consumes the attackers time and
>   effort to no result. 
> 
>   It allows us to track attacker attempts at entry and respond before
>   they come across a vulnerability we are susceptible to. For example,
>   when the attacker tries to use a known Sendmail attack against our
>   site, we record all of their entries to track their techniques. With
>   this deception in place, we have no problem picking up port scans,
>   password guessing, and all manner of other attack attempts as they happen. 
> 
>   It sours the milk - so to speak. If one person uses DTK, they can see
>   attacks coming well ahead of time. If a few others start using it, we
>   will probably exhaust the attackers and they will go somewhere else to
>   run their attacks. If a lot of people use DTK, the attackers will find
>   that they need to spend 100 times the effort to break into systems and
>   that they have a high risk of detection well before their attempts succeed.
> 
>   If enough people adopt DTK and work together to keep it's deceptions
>   up to date, we will eliminate all but the most sophisticated
>   attackers, and all the copy-cat attacks will be detected soon after
>   they are released to the wide hacking community. This will not only
>   sour the milk, it will also up the ante for would-be copy-cat
>   attackers and, as a side effect, reduce the "noise" level of attacks to
>   allow us to more clearly see the more serious attackers and track them down. 
> 
>   If DTK becomes very widespread, one of DTK's key deceptions will
>   become very effective. This deception is port 507 - which we have
>   staked a claim for as the deception port. Port 507 indicates whether
>   the machine you are attempting to connect to is running a deception
>   defense. Naturally, attackers who wish to avoid deceptive defenses
>   will check there first, and eventually, simply running the deceptive
>   defense notifier will be adequate to eliminate many of the attackers.
>   Of course some of us defenders will not turn on the deception
>   announcement message so we can track new attack attempts by those who
>   avoid deceptive defenses, so... the attacker's level of uncertainty
>   rises, and the information world becomes a safer place to work. 
> 
> Your positive and helpful comments are appreciated.  FC
> 
> Fred Cohen & Associates: http://all.net - fc at all.net - tel/fax:510-454-0171------- End of forwarded message -------


David W. Crawford    
Los Gatos, CA        







From rubin at research.att.com  Mon Mar  9 13:59:17 1998
From: rubin at research.att.com (Avi Rubin)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:59:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Updated list of crypto and security courses
Message-ID: <199803092156.QAA12426@mgoblue.research.att.com>


Thanks to everyone for your great suggestions/additions/deletions.
I added, changed or deleted over 25 courses this time around. Now
back to my regularly scheduled life.

The updated course list can be found at:

   http://www.cs.nyu.edu/~rubin/courses.html

Avi


*********************************************************************
Aviel D. Rubin                                 rubin at research.att.com
Secure Systems Research Dept.                Adjunct Professor at NYU
AT&T Labs - Research
180 Park Avenue                   http://www.research.att.com/~rubin/
Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971                    Voice: +1 973 360-8356
USA                                            FAX:   +1 973 360-8809

   --> Check out http://www.clark.net/pub/mjr/websec/ for a new
       book on web security (The Web Security Sourcebook).
*********************************************************************






From jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu  Mon Mar  9 14:04:50 1998
From: jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu (Jim Tatz)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:04:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crypto as contraband
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980309094018.007be4f0@otc.net>
Message-ID: 


> The morons in congress responded to intercepts of cellphones.  Because
> Newt was scanned.  Response: outlaw *cellphones*... which are 
> themselves typically programmable as scanners of cell freqs.  And scanners
> and programmable RF receivers.

The ECPA (Electronic Communications Privacy Act) banned cell phone
scanning, as of 1994 I believe. When Newt was monitored, that was nothing
really new.

Ch 83, (890-986?) is cell, however Federal law (Title 18, Chapter 119)
makes cell monitoring illegal only if it INTENTIONAL. And owning and
buying cell-phone capable devices is LEGAL. The only catch is who is
selling it, it is my understanding you can sell a cell scanner used
without a prob. I currently own a cell-capable scanner.

~Jim
------------------------------------------
A great man named Ben Tersian once said
"Avoid the cliche 'Information must be free'"
"Find it learn it embrace it and set it free."







From jtsr-stock at jtsr-stock.com  Mon Mar  9 14:12:47 1998
From: jtsr-stock at jtsr-stock.com (jtsr-stock at jtsr-stock.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:12:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: JT's Restarants - Excellent Undervauled Investment Opportunity
Message-ID: <199803092212.OAA07415@cygint.cygnus.com>


To be removed from our mailing list please reply to this message with 
"REMOVE" in the subject.

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in JT's Restaurants (OTC BB: JTSR).  Since our last message was sent 
JTSR has risen in value over 40% (from Feb 17, 1998 to March 6, 1998).  
This is just the beginning.  This is still a ground floor opportunity.  
If you would like more information about this exciting investment 
opportunity please visit our web site at http://www.jtsr-stock.com or 
call 1-888-295-6365 for complete information.

The contents of this message have been provided for the review of 
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From jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu  Mon Mar  9 14:32:28 1998
From: jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu (jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:32:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crypto as contraband
Message-ID: <350453B0.7E32@accessatlanta.com>


> The morons in congress responded to intercepts of cellphones.  Because
> Newt was scanned.  Response: outlaw *cellphones*... which are
> themselves typically programmable as scanners of cell freqs.  > And scanners
> and programmable RF receivers.

The ECPA (Electronic Communications Privacy Act) banned cell phone
scanning, as of 1994 I believe. When Newt was monitored, that was
nothing really new.

Ch 83, (890-986?) is cell, however Federal law (Title 18, Chapter 119)
makes cell monitoring illegal only if it INTENTIONAL. And owning and
buying cell-phone capable devices is LEGAL. The only catch is who is
selling it, it is my understanding you can sell a cell scanner used
without a prob. I currently own a cell-capable scanner. 

~Jim
------------------------------------------
A great man named Ben Tersian once said
"Avoid the cliche 'Information must be free'"
"Find it learn it embrace it and set it free."





From tm at dev.null  Mon Mar  9 16:50:29 1998
From: tm at dev.null (Tim May)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:50:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [WAREZ]  Mr. Hankey claims squatter's rights
Message-ID: <35047490.456C@dev.null>


* The show business newspaper Daily Variety reported in December
that John Kricfalusi, creator TV's "The Ren & Stimpy Show," was
threatening legal action against the producers of the Comedy Central
show "South Park" for ripping off a cartoon character.  According to
Kricfalusi, his character "Nutty the Friendly Dump," an animated piece
of excrement, must have been the basis for "South Park"'s "Mr. Hankey
the Christmas Poo," a holiday-dressed, singing, dancing piece of
excrement.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
WEIRDNUZ.520 (News of the Weird, January 23, 1998)
by Chuck Shepherd

NEWS OF THE WEIRD, founded in 1988, is a nationally syndicated
newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate.  To
receive the columns by e-mail, free of charge, send a message to
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graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio.  Just text.  Deal
with it.)







From tm at dev.null  Mon Mar  9 16:50:33 1998
From: tm at dev.null (Tim May)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:50:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: D.C.'s  Sister City?
Message-ID: <350476A6.51E4@love.cum>


* According to a report in the Washington Post in November, armed
robbers in the large Nigerian trading city of Onitsha are so bold, and
the police so outmanned, that they often notify the victims in advance
that they will be coming to rob them, to encourage the residents to be
away from the house at the time.  A few days after the police
announced a crackdown, one gang of 50 armed robbers cordoned off
a street and looted every apartment building on the block.


~~~~~~~~~~~~
WEIRDNUZ.520 (News of the Weird, January 23, 1998)
by Chuck Shepherd

NEWS OF THE WEIRD, founded in 1988, is a nationally syndicated
newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate.  To
receive the columns by e-mail, free of charge, send a message to
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graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio.  Just text.  Deal
with it.)







From blanc at cover.ed  Mon Mar  9 16:50:47 1998
From: blanc at cover.ed (Blanc Weber)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:50:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Revolution is  NOW! (Think about it, Gertrude...over a Stein of beer, perhaps?)
Message-ID: <35047968.23C7@cover.ed>


* What Goes Around, Comes Around:  Since taking control of
most of Afghanistan in September 1996, the religious Taliban army
has enforced strict, conservative Islamic rule, especially regarding
the work, recreation, and dress of women.  Now, according to a
report in the London Daily Telegraph in November, a splinter
Muslim group about 200 miles north of Kabul has begun to train a
women-only battalion to fight the Taliban.  Females from the
Hazaras, a Turkic Mongol ethnic group, have been training at a
secret location and will soon begin a major recruiting campaign.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
WEIRDNUZ.520 (News of the Weird, January 23, 1998)
by Chuck Shepherd

NEWS OF THE WEIRD, founded in 1988, is a nationally syndicated
newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate.  To
receive the columns by e-mail, free of charge, send a message to
notw-request at nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe.  To read
these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months,
go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html  (That site contains no
graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio.  Just text.  Deal
with it.)







From do at 2me.dash  Mon Mar  9 16:50:49 1998
From: do at 2me.dash (Wilhelm Geiger III)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:50:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Filth Dogman of the Surveillance Apocalypse
Message-ID: <35048609.5EB4@2me.dash>


* In August, two cities debated plans to reduce the amount of dog
poop in municipal parks and on sidewalks.  The city of
Christchurch, New Zealand, was contemplating installing a series
of anonymous "poopcams" around town to catch dog owners who
neglect their scooping duty.  And Tel Aviv, Israel, announced that
squads of plainclothes police officers armed with cameras and
night-vision equipment were on duty around the clock
photographing violators of its ordinance.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
WEIRDNUZ.520 (News of the Weird, January 23, 1998)
by Chuck Shepherd

NEWS OF THE WEIRD, founded in 1988, is a nationally syndicated
newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate.  To
receive the columns by e-mail, free of charge, send a message to
notw-request at nine.org with the Subject line of Subscribe.  To read
these News of the Weird newspaper columns from the past six months,
go to http://www.nine.org/notw/notw.html  (That site contains no
graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio.  Just text.  Deal
with it.)







From hughes at huge.cum  Mon Mar  9 16:50:54 1998
From: hughes at huge.cum (Eric Hughes)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:50:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CypherPunks -- The Early Years
Message-ID: <35047ADA.2EEF@huge.cum>


* William Garland, the father of the late rap singer Tupac Shakur,
fighting for part of Shakur's multi-million-dollar estate in Los
Angeles in August, despite his having had no contact with his son
after age five, pointed out at a hearing how he was a good father.
For example, he said he would often tuck in little Tupac, a bed-
wetter, with another Garland son, also a bed-wetter:  "They could
pee with each other."

~~~~~~~~~~~~
WEIRDNUZ.520 (News of the Weird, January 23, 1998)
by Chuck Shepherd

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newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate.  To
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graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio.  Just text.  Deal
with it.)







From cap at knees.gun  Mon Mar  9 16:52:27 1998
From: cap at knees.gun (Carol Anne CypherPunk)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:52:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: I want 5-1/2 inches, and I want to bleed...
Message-ID: <35047E46.16EF@knees.gun>


* Robert Kong, 13, was arrested and charged with manufacturing a
destructive device, namely a 5-1/2-inch pipe bomb that he had
made, gift-wrapped, and presented to a female classmate in
Corvallis, Ore., for her birthday.  He said he followed the
instructions he had seen on an Internet site.

~~~~~~~~~~~~
WEIRDNUZ.520 (News of the Weird, January 23, 1998)
by Chuck Shepherd

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newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate.  To
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with it.)







From orowley at imaginemedia.com  Mon Mar  9 16:55:40 1998
From: orowley at imaginemedia.com (Owen Rowley)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:55:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [LEGAL] Crypto as Contraband?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <35048F2F.CFCC496D@imaginemedia.com>




Dave Emery wrote:

>         To amplify my point a bit, it is widely reported that Bill Gates
> (who is alleged to have started out in business by pirating and selling
> DEC software as a high school student) has a particularly keen desire to
> control the widespread piracy of MS products.  His aggressive pushes to
> assert his property rights are well known (and not atypical of reformed
> sinners if the probably apocryphal report is true).

some clues:

clue 1)
http://www.fourmilab.ch/autofile/www/section2_106_6.html#SECTION001066000000000000000

clue 2)
http://www.fourmilab.ch/autofile/www/section2_106_7.html

bonus mega clue)
http://www.fourmilab.ch/autofile/www/section2_106_1.html#SECTION001061000000000000000

HELL Check out  the whole Program.

http://www.fourmilab.ch/autofile/www/chapter2_106.html

LUX ./. owen







From jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu  Mon Mar  9 17:39:30 1998
From: jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu (Ken Williams)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:39:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: U.S. NATIONAL INFORMATION EMERGENCY DECLARED (Future View) (fwd)
Message-ID: 


____________________________________



U.S. NATIONAL INFORMATION EMERGENCY DECLARED (Future View)

Hamilton, Bermuda  -- Radio Free America at 2000 UTC -- (February 24,
1999)
-
FBI director Louis Freeh, Jr. today announced a nationwide crackdown on
Internet abusers as President Clinton invoked  new authorities granted
him under the Information Infrastructure Defense Act (IIDA) of 1998. White
House Press Secretary Monica Lewinsky said the President declared  a
national information emergency at 9:23 last night. The emergency
automatically lasts for 100 days. The President may then seek an extension
after consulting with three members of Congress. The FBI's Indication and
Warning Threat Center in Newington, Virginia first reported an 850 percent
increase in illegal Internet access attempts last Thursday, prompting Mr.
Freeh to ask for the presidential emergency declaration. 

Among the sites hacked were the White House's Automated Oval Office Visit
Scheduling System; the Democratic National Committee's Insta-Donation
System; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Tennessee
Summer Picnic Reservation System; the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team's
Seventh Day Adventist Watch Network (also known as "Deep Six the Sevens
Net"); the Electronic Pearl Harbor Visitors' Center;  the Arkansas
Attorney General's Cases-Disposed -Without-Further- Investigation System;
the Embassy of China's "Rent-a-Prez" system; and the Indonesian Embassy's
Rupiah-to-Dollar Laundromat Net.
       
The nationwide sting of Internet intruders began at noon yesterday
when the New York field office of the Secret Service arrested 25 members
of the Brooklyn Cyberspace Liberation Front at their regularly scheduled
Tuesday meeting at a Bayside Cyber Caf�. Secret Service spokesman Biff
"Buck" Arew said, "it took us a while to figure out when they were going
to be in one spot, but after we employed our best investigative
techniques, we had them right where we wanted them. The arresting part was
easy." 

The Secret Service is a designated  information infrastructure law
enforcement agency under the 1998 legislation. It was joined by elements
of the FBI, the U.S. Marshals' Service, the Federal Emergency Management
Agency, the Postal Inspection Service, the Park Service, the Border
Patrol,  the Enforcement Division of the Federal Communications
Commission, as well as New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, in the coast-to-coast
operation. Meanwhile, special FAA security officers on loan from Microsoft
were busy at the nation's airports searching the notebook and palmtop
computers of air travelers for illegal software programs.  At the
Pentagon, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said, "the military
now reserves the right to move forward on the information super highway."

He said he considers the Internet similar to the nation's interstate
highway system.  "When you have a bunch of stalled cars from a
high-altitude combination electromagnetic and gamma-ray burst littering
all the passing lanes and on- ramps, our armored vehicles just need to
push them aside and move on."

The general, who escaped a recent international war crimes indictment
resulting from his peacekeeping duties in Angola, did not elaborate on the
meaning of his comment.  Other mass arrests of hackers were made in
Chicago; New Orleans; Sunnyvale, California; Tampa; Atlanta, Washington,
D.C.; Los Angeles; and St. Louis.  Some of the arrested individuals are
noted opponents of the government's policies to control the flow of
information on the Internet.  Internet users report that some
controversial web sites are no longer accessible, although the FBI
refused to confirm whether their operators were among those arrested.

The inaccessible sites include those of the Libertarian Alliance, USA;
Cascadia Green Party; Outer Banks Secessionist Party; Ashcroft for
President 2000; Supreme Court, Free Crypto Home Page;  First Amendment
Enforcement Coalition; United We Stand (Marxist-Leninist); SPAM
Prohibition League;  Virtual Zapatista, and the Arizona Naturist Home
Page.

Federal officials stated that the number of arrests totaled more than
900. Critics of the government action claim the number is much higher. An
Amnesty International spokesperson in Teheran said she thinks the number
may be well over 15,000 but that it was "difficult to get news from
America under the present circumstances." The National Security Agency's
National Information Warfare Center in Fort Meade, Maryland, reported that
the identities of several overseas hackers had been passed to their
respective governments for possible prosecution under U.S. law under the
mutual law enforcement and extradition provisions of the IIDA. Scotland
Yard said it had arrested 17 intruders in the greater London area while
Europol was preparing to make several arrests in France, Italy, and
Austria.  At a press conference at the U.S. Embassy in London, Prime
Minister Tony Blair, upon leaving a cabinet meeting, said he was in close
communication with President Clinton during "this extraordinary emergency"
and that "he fully understood what the Americans were ordering him to do."

The government of Burma summarily executed 153 members of the Rangoon
Computer Club. In Ottawa, the RCMP said  the FBI's Canada Law Enforcement
Extension Task Force was investigating several groups in Montreal,
Halifax, and Vancouver and expected to make a large number of arrests
"soon." The RCMP official admitted that, "because we do not normally get
involved in FBI matters on Canadian soil, I cannot give you precise
details about the operation."
        

If convicted, the arrested hackers face a maximum penalty of 25
years in prison and/or a $200,000 fine. Freeh said that he anticipated
further arrests would be made as federal investigators sifted through more
communications records, America On Line profiles, and escrowed encryption
keys. The stored keys are used by federal agents to read scrambled e-mail
messages sent by hackers and the 12 independent special counsels
investigating the administration.
        
Vice President Gore issued a statement in which he said, "I praise
the valiant efforts of our federal investigators in isolating and
terminating the disruptive actions of individuals and groups who were bent
on interfering with our precious national information thoroughfares." Gore
said he hoped the government's action would "send a clear signal to others
who believe that such activities will go unpunished. The government has a
controlling legal authority to address these threats." Gore, an announced
candidate for president in 2000, said one of his first acts would be to
create a Secretary of Information cabinet post that would regulate the use
of electronic information throughout the country. "Just as we created a
Department of Defense in 1947 to confront the nuclear threat, we must have
a Department of Information in 2001 to face the millennial cyber threat,"
Gore declared.







From wombat at mcfeely.bsfs.org  Mon Mar  9 17:42:32 1998
From: wombat at mcfeely.bsfs.org (Rabid Wombat)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:42:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Filth Dogman of the Surveillance Apocalypse
In-Reply-To: <35048609.5EB4@2me.dash>
Message-ID: 




Toto needs to study the bat book.

On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Wilhelm Geiger III wrote:

> * In August, two cities debated plans to reduce the amount of dog
> poop in municipal parks and on sidewalks.  The city of





From billp at nmol.com  Mon Mar  9 18:04:25 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:04:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Statsi, sayanim, spiking crypto
Message-ID: <35049DD9.52CA@nmol.com>


Monday 3/9/98 6:17 PM

merata at pearl.sums.ac.ir
lawya at lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk
sjmz at hplb.hpl.hp.com

Guys

I just read a printed copy I made of 

 Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore?

 http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html

starting at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/

fairly carefully.

I seized upon Madsen�s statements,

1 the random encryption key could be automatically and 
  clandestinely transmitted with the enciphered message.

2 they may also have been tipped off by Stasi files of the 
  ex-East German regime that found their way to Iran

Try MfS agents who went to work for Iran after the Cold War.

Then there was the postcard from Tel Aviv I received at 
Sandia labs which followed-up a yellow piece of paper sent
by snail mail asking numbered detailed question about work 
I was doing at Sandia.

I responded back to the postcard, by postcard of course, 

               �Know any sayanim?�

No response. 

It doesn't take at rocket scientist to figure that one out.

Let�s all hope for settlement of this unfortunate matter so that
we can all move on to more constructive projects.

Best
bill







From jtsr-stock at jtsr-stock.com  Mon Mar  9 18:12:26 1998
From: jtsr-stock at jtsr-stock.com (jtsr-stock at jtsr-stock.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:12:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: JT's Restarants - Excellent Undervauled Investment Opportunity
Message-ID: <199803100212.SAA08270@toad.com>


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From die at die.com  Mon Mar  9 18:29:04 1998
From: die at die.com (Dave Emery)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:29:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: EU plans decryption ban
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <19980309212946.23723@die.com>


On Mon, Mar 09, 1998 at 11:26:15PM +0000, Markus Kuhn wrote:
> After government attempts to ban unrestricted encryption, we are
> now facing a decryption ban
> 
> Industry lobbyist groups have managed to persuade the European
> Commission to introduce rather radical new legislation for protecting
> pay-TV broadcasters against unauthorized reception by consumers. Not
> only the commercial advertising and sale of pirate devices is to be
> prohibited (this has already been the case in a number of member
> countries and is perfectly acceptable), but also the private possession or
> use of clone decoders as well as any private exchange of information about
> the security properties of pay-TV encryption systems will become illegal
> and punishable under the planned EU conditional access directive. 
> 
	In the US there is not yet a ban on exchange of information
because of the potential first amendment issues, but there are (and have
been since the late 1980s)  felony level bans with $500,000 fines for
each incident  on the manufacture, assembly, modification, import,
export, sale and distribution of any device or equipment primarily of
assistance in the unauthorized decryption of satellite cable programming
or direct to home satellite.

	And unauthorized interception of radio signals including satellite
video transmissions that are scrambled or encrypted can be prosecuted
under current law as a felony.



-- 
	Dave Emery N1PRE,  die at die.com  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. 
PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2  5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18






From billp at nmol.com  Mon Mar  9 18:48:36 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:48:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: REASONABLENESS
Message-ID: <3504A945.1286@nmol.com>


Guys

The great ANGLO ARMADA is sailing near Iran.

And the Armada needs to expend its 'intelligent' weapons
for business reasons.

Be on the BEST OF BEHAVIOR. 

best regards
bill


Monday 3/9/98 6:17 PM

merata at pearl.sums.ac.ir
lawya at lucs-01.novell.leeds.ac.uk
sjmz at hplb.hpl.hp.com

Guys

I just read a printed copy I made of 

 Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore?

 http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html

starting at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/

fairly carefully.

I seized upon Madsen's statements,

1 the random encryption key could be automatically and 
  clandestinely transmitted with the enciphered message.

2 they may also have been tipped off by Stasi files of the 
  ex-East German regime that found their way to Iran

Try MfS agents who went to work for Iran after the Cold War.

Then there was the postcard from Tel Aviv I received at 
Sandia labs which followed-up a yellow piece of paper sent
by snail mail asking numbered detailed questions about work 
I was doing at Sandia.

I responded back to the postcard, by postcard of course, 

               "Know any sayanim?"

No response. 

It doesn't take at rocket scientist to figure that one out.

Let's all hope for settlement of this unfortunate matter so that
we can all move on to more constructive projects.

Best
bill







From afabbro at umich.edu  Mon Mar  9 18:48:43 1998
From: afabbro at umich.edu (andrew fabbro)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:48:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Wu-Tang Clan cypherpunk reference
Message-ID: 


"Watch for the wooden soldiers, C-cypher punks couldn't hold us"
	-- "Triumph," Wu-Tang Clan, -Wu-Tang Forever-

This is listed on the Wu-Tang Clan's home page (www.wu-tang.com), so
presumably the lyric is accurate.  Anyone know what the reference is?


-- 
 Andrew Fabbro   [afabbro at umich.edu]   [andrewf at jesuswept.com]
 http://www-personal.umich.edu/~afabbro/          313.647.2713 
 "We make money the old fashion way. We print it." - DigiCrime






From rah at shipwright.com  Tue Mar 10 04:15:42 1998
From: rah at shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:15:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: DCSB: Adam Shostack; No Silver Bullet -- Digital Commerce and Payment Security
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              The Digital Commerce Society of Boston

                            Presents

                        Adam Shostack
                         Netect, Inc.

                       "No Silver Bullet"
           Digital Commerce and Payment Security

                    Tuesday, April 7, 1997
                           12 - 2 PM
               The Downtown Harvard Club of Boston
                  One Federal Street, Boston, MA



The traditional threats that apply to digital commerce systems are the same
as the threats against all other commerce systems.  But the communications
networks that are available to the bad guys make possible and effective
attacks that could never work before.  Adam Shostack will examine some of
these new threats to electronic commerce, some of the potential solutions,
and share his vision of the future tools to protect commerce.

New attacks against commerce include the automation of knowledge.  The
pickpocket of old needed to practice for years to learn how to be
effective.  Today's 14 year olds can download a package with a win95
interface to exploit security holes.  The nature of the internet allows
them to engage in these attacks anonymously. The anonymous nature of the
net also means that people can engage in attacks that have a very small
payoff, or a small chance of a large payoff.  They also engage in attacks
for the thrill of it, costing companies trust and confidence, as well as
down time and its associated lost revenue.

New methods of dealing with the threats and problems posed by the
automation of new attacks will be required.  Where 'traditional' security
measures, such as firewalls, have failed to deal with the new attacks,
there is need to try new approaches. This talk will cover the new breeds of
attack, and the new methods of building secure foundations to help busy
companies cope.


Mr. Shostack is Director of Technology for Netect, Inc, a startup making
innovative applications to help cope with the new breed of security
problems.  He has extensive background in designing, implementing and
testing secure systems for clients in the medical, computer, and financial
industries. His recent public work includes 'Apparent Weaknesses in the
Security Dynamics Client Server Protocol,' 'Source Code Review Guidelines,'
and comparisons of freely available cryptographic libraries. Adam was also
one of the instructors, along with John Kelsey of Counterpane, and Gary
Howland of SecureAccounts, in Ian Goldberg's FC98 Financial Cryptography
Workshop, which was held in Anguilla in early March this year.



This meeting of the Digital Commerce Society of Boston will be held on
Tuesday, April 7, 1997, from 12pm - 2pm at the Downtown Branch of the
Harvard Club of Boston, on One Federal Street. The price for lunch is
$32.50. This price includes lunch, room rental, various A/V hardware, and
the speaker's lunch. ;-).  The Harvard Club *does* have dress code: jackets
and ties for men (and no sneakers or jeans), and "appropriate business
attire" (whatever that means), for women.  Fair warning: since we purchase
these luncheons in advance, we will be unable to refund the price of your
lunch if the Club finds you in violation of the dress code.

We will attempt to record this meeting for sale on CD/R, and to put it on
the web in RealAudio format, at some future date.


We need to receive a company check, or money order, (or, if we *really* know
you, a personal check) payable to "The Harvard Club of Boston", by Saturday,
April 4th, or you won't be on the list for lunch.  Checks payable to
anyone else but The Harvard Club of Boston will have to be sent back.

Checks should be sent to Robert Hettinga, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston,
Massachusetts, 02131. Again, they *must* be made payable to "The Harvard
Club of Boston", in the amount of $32.50. Please include your e-mail
address, so that we can send you a confirmation

If anyone has questions, or has a problem with these arrangements (We've had
to work with glacial A/P departments more than once, for instance), please
let us know via e-mail, and we'll see if we can work something out.

Upcoming speakers for DCSB are:

May       Jeremey Barrett     Digital Bearer Certificate Protocols
June      Michael Baum        PKI and the Commercial CA

We are actively searching for future speakers.  If you are in Boston on the
first Tuesday of the month, and you would like to make a presentation to the
Society, please send e-mail to the DCSB Program Commmittee, care of Robert
Hettinga, .


For more information about the Digital Commerce Society of Boston, send
"info dcsb" in the body of a message to  . If
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body of a message to  .

We look forward to seeing you there!

Cheers,
Robert Hettinga
Moderator,
The Digital Commerce Society of Boston




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From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Mar 10 04:20:53 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:20:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Cryptography
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980310122240.006c38bc@pop.pipeline.com>


Tim's and Michael's exchanges (with others) are most welcome,
and constructively return us again to the most compelling aspect
of the encryption debate, the contest between law and technology,
one that has impact far beyond cryptography.

There are examples of the application of law to control of technology
in the President's most recent update of "The National Emergency 
Caused by the Lapse of the Export Administration Act of 1979":

   http://jya.com/hd105-191.htm

It recounts the activities of the Commerce Department -- mainly BXA --
for the latest 6-month reporting period, and lists as well the cases of 
penalties imposed for export violations. 

Some of these have been imposed for alleged violations over 6 years 
past. They exemplify what Tim and Michael are discussing of the 
various ways the regulations and laws are imposed according to 
policy shifts and wind direction of politicians. 

The report describes the beef up of BXA enforcement programs, 
and increasing coordination with and training of other countries for 
export enforcement.

All justified by a "national emergency" for which the underlying law
to control technology long ago lapsed. The lapse appears to be
a deliberate way to avoid having to define ahead of time what
technology is to be controlled in order that ad hoc policy and
regulations can be devised to fit, deal by deal.

This parallels the increase in indecipherable grand jury proceedings, 
plea bargainings and parole conditions, determined by protected
government employees. These, to be sure, appear to be close 
cousins of the bloated features of legacy technologies, civilian
and military.

It worth noting that Microsoft and the Justice Department are perfect 
twins of technology and law monopolies, using brute force and 
contracts to get their way, both clothed in self-righteousness and
both led by charming weirdos, both totally obsessed with each their 
own mad view of law and technology in the "public interest."

Still, there's some public benefit that these disputes are white collar
and not homicidal/suicidal battles of NBC warfare, at least not yet 
here at home.






From filaman at blrg.tds.net  Tue Mar 10 04:33:47 1998
From: filaman at blrg.tds.net (filaman at blrg.tds.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 04:33:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Do you have a Bulk E Mail Program?
Message-ID: <199803101233.EAA12335@toad.com>


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From whgiii at invweb.net  Tue Mar 10 07:07:43 1998
From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:07:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Filth Dogman of the Surveillance Apocalypse
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <199803101507.KAA11013@users.invweb.net>

In , on 03/09/98

   at 06:32 AM, Rabid Wombat  said:



>Toto needs to study the bat book.

>On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Wilhelm Geiger III wrote:

>> * In August, two cities debated plans to reduce the amount of dog
>> poop in municipal parks and on sidewalks.  The city of

Wow a TOTOgram with my name on it. Next thing you know I'll start getting
ascii art from Dimitri :)

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From mscompia at microsoft.com  Tue Mar 10 07:30:26 1998
From: mscompia at microsoft.com (mscompia at microsoft.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:30:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Information From The Microsoft Personal Information Center
Message-ID: <0108d4829150a38UPIMSSMTPSYS08@msn.com>


Here is your password you requested from the Microsoft Personal Information Center at http://register.microsoft.com/regwiz/personalinfo.asp.

Password: cypherpunks

If you continue to have access problems or want to report other issues, please contact us through the Write Us button at the top of any Microsoft page.






From honig at otc.net  Tue Mar 10 09:58:17 1998
From: honig at otc.net (David Honig)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:58:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Sun vs. FUD: Elvis is waiting;   Sun puts high-strength encryption software aside
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980310095810.007a0100@otc.net>




http://dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/technology/wired/story.html?s=n/reuters
/980310/wired/stories/sun_4.html



Tuesday March 10 9:58 AM EST 

  Sun puts high-strength encryption software aside

  SAN FRANCISCO (Wired) - Sun Microsystems, which had hoped to market
high-strength encryption software developed by a Russian firm, has put the
plans
  on hold due to ongoing scrutiny by the US Commerce Department, the Wall
Street Journal reported Monday. 

  The software, partially based on a Sun security protocol, was developed
by a Moscow company called Elvis+, a firm started by former Soviet space
scientists in
  which Sun now owns a 10 percent stake. 

  The deal attracted widespread attention because it appeared to give Sun a
way around the Clinton administration's regulation of strong-crypto exports. 

  Sun contended the Elvis+ products fall outside the purview of US
government policy. The administration has been reviewing the deal for nine
months now. 

  Sun executives, who had hoped to put the encryption software on the
market last August, have shelved the plans for the moment, but they remain
hopeful, the
  Journal reported. 

------------------------------------------------------------
      David Honig                   Orbit Technology
     honig at otc.net                  Intaanetto Jigyoubu

"I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and
    violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi








	
















From weld at skywriting.com  Tue Mar 10 10:23:53 1998
From: weld at skywriting.com (Weld Pond)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:23:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: EU plans decryption ban
In-Reply-To: <19980309212946.23723@die.com>
Message-ID: 


On Mon, 9 Mar 1998, Dave Emery wrote:

> 	In the US there is not yet a ban on exchange of information
> because of the potential first amendment issues, but there are (and have
> been since the late 1980s)  felony level bans with $500,000 fines for
> each incident  on the manufacture, assembly, modification, import,
> export, sale and distribution of any device or equipment primarily of
> assistance in the unauthorized decryption of satellite cable programming
> or direct to home satellite.

There is a law in Pennsylvania that bans the distribution of "plans or
instructions" for devices or modifications of devices that can be used for
theft of services. Full text at:

http://moose.erie.net/~italo/sb0655p0687.html

Excerpt:

    10         (2)  sells, possesses, distributes, gives or otherwise
    11     transfers to another[,] or offers, promotes or advertises for
    12     sale [any instrument, apparatus, equipment or device
    13     described in paragraph (1) of this subsection,] any:
    14             (i)  unlawful telecommunication device, or plans or
    15         instructions for making or assembling the same, under
    16         circumstances evidencing an intent to use or employ such
    17         [instrument, apparatus, equipment or] unlawful
    18         telecommunication device, or to allow the same to be used
    19         or employed for a purpose described in paragraph (1) [of
    20         this subsection], or knowing or having reason to believe
    21         that the same is intended to be so used, or that the
    22         aforesaid plans or instructions are intended to be used
    23         for making or assembling such [instrument, apparatus,
    24         equipment or device.] unlawful telecommunication device;
    25         or

At the L0pht we distribute a CD that contains plenty of technical data
for modifying telecommunications equipment and for building your own from
easily obtained parts.  We do not ship our CD to Pennsylvania due to this
law since we cannot be assured that the intent of the purchaser is not to
defraud a telecommunication service provider.  Since information can be
used for good or bad we are pretty sure that some of the purchasers from
Penn will use this information illegally.  This goes against everything
the L0pht stands for but we do not have the resources to fight this in
court.


Weld Pond
weld at l0pht.com
http://www.l0pht.com/~weld






From honig at otc.net  Tue Mar 10 12:00:48 1998
From: honig at otc.net (David Honig)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:00:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Congressbastards getting a clue
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980310120048.007b43b0@otc.net>



http://allpolitics.com/1998/03/10/ap/mcdermott.lawsuit/

Summary: 

History: Florida couple taped some Congressmen (including Gingrich) talking
on their cellphones.
	  Gives the tape to another Congressman A, who passes it on to the press.
	  Florida couple has been convicted.  

News: Now one of the taped Congressmen is suing the Congressman who leaked
the tape.

When will they learn?  Mathematics >> law


------------------------------------------------------------
      David Honig                   Orbit Technology
     honig at otc.net                  Intaanetto Jigyoubu

"I do believe that where there is a choice only between cowardice and
    violence, I would advise violence." Mahatma Gandhi








	
















From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Mar 10 18:34:17 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:34:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: GoldMoney
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980311023614.006fd3d8@pop.pipeline.com>


http://www.goldmoney.com/home.html

Essays on the future of money, electronic, digital and
"GoldMoney," based on US Patent No. 5,671,364

One or so cypherpunks referenced.






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 10 18:40:53 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:40:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CypherPunks -- The Early Years
Message-ID: <199803110240.DAA27478@basement.replay.com>


Eric Cordian wrote:
> 
> Might I ask why several prominent Cypherpunks have begun reposting
> "News of the Weird" through sympatico.ca?  Is this some sort of
> Pod thing?

 Close examination of fossil mosquitoes from 40 million
years ago show they look just about the same as that one
dining on your arm.

==============================================
LMBoyd Web Site / U. S. Newspapers / Start Email / Stop Email
http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm






From billp at nmol.com  Tue Mar 10 19:01:32 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:01:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: do it to them.  they deseve it.
Message-ID: <3505FE5F.6521@nmol.com>


Tuesesday March 10, 1998 3/10/98

E-mail Federico.F.Pena at hq.doe.gov and mail

Federico F. Pena
The Secretary of Energy
United States Department of Energy
Washington, D.C. 20585

Dear Secretary Pena:

Purpose of this letter is to appeal a denial of a Freedom of 
Information Act (FOIA) Request.

I wrote on Tuesday February 17, 1999 15:11

  e-mail and mail

  Ms. Elva Barfield
  Freedom of Information Office
  U. S. Department of Energy
  Albuquerque Operations Office/OIEA
  POB 5400
  Albuquerque, NM 87185-5400
  EBARFIELD at DOEAL.GOV

  Dear Ms. Barfield:

  VP Al Gore is in the crypto business.

    Information SuperSpyWay 
    Al Gore Approved
    Encryption for China
    in Return for
    Campaign Donations
    by Charles R. Smith

  Portions of the above document posted on Internet at 
  http://www.us.net/softwar/ and  http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ 
  states

  1.	Gore charged with encryption policy according to PDD-5 and 
              PRD-27 on April 16, 1993. 

  2.	Government officials represent themselves on Al Gore's behalf for 
        RSA patent purchase negotiations in Feb. 1994. 
  3.	RSA chairman Bidzos meets with Chinese officials at the same 
        time as Ron Brown in Oct. 1995. 

  4.	RSA Chairman Bidzos enters into merger negotiations with Security 
	Dynamics, a company backed by Sanford Robertson, in Nov. 1995. 

  5.	VP Gore calls Sanford Robertson from the White House for a 
        donation in Nov. 1995. 

  6.	Robertson delivers $100,000 donation ($80,000 soft - $20,000 
	directly into the Clinton/Gore campaign) in Jan. 1996. 
  7.	RSA signs deal with China in Feb. 1996. The administration 
	previously prosecuted similar deals but this time does nothing. 
  8.	Justice Dept. approves RSA merger with Security Dynamics in 
	April 1996 for $280 million dollars, netting Sanford Robertson's 
	company a cool $2 million just to write the deal. 

  In 1991 I was in involved with Sandia National Laboratories
  Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty seismic data authenticator.

  At that time Sandia director Tommy A Sellers had assumed 
  responsibility for directorship from Robert Clem.

  Sandia supervisor Tom Wright replaced my supervisor, John Holovka, 
  who was the supervisor for the CTBT seismic data authenticator.

  Wright brought in Ph.D. Steven Goldsmith to supervise me.

  Sellars, Wright, and Goldsmith were new to crypto-type projects.

  Much of this is documented at http://www.jya.com/whp021598.htm.

  This is evidenced by Sellar's attached SEP 24 1991 memorandum,
  which Goldsmith help author, addressed to Dr James J Hearn at 
  the National Security Agency.

  The SEP 24 memorandum contained a number of technical errors.

  I corrected these errors in my attached December 20, 1991 memorandum.

  Department of Energy and it predecessors have a well-documented
  history of not requiring technical expertise for pursuit of interests.

  Stewart Udall, The Myths of August, writes,

      Any cover-up must be implemented and enforced by designated
    agents, and one man emerged in 1953 as the quarterback of the 
    AEC's damage-control effort.  His name was Gordon Dunning.
    Although the personnel charts of the 1950s list him as a low-level 
    "rad-safe" official in the Division of Biology and
Medicine,           
    documents demonstrate that he was clothed with authority to    
    manage and suppress information about the radiation released
    by the testing of nuclear weapons. ...

  About the time Sellers and Sandia Ombudsman gave me a directed
  transfer to break electronic locks for the FBI/ERF [engineering
  research facility], Goldsmith and Wright, certainly with the approval
  of Sellers, placed a contract with RSA Inc [http://www.rsa.com/], 
  I was told.

  Ms Barfield, we think the American public needs to know more about
  RSA's work with Sandia National Laboratories.

  Therefore, Under the provision of the Freedom of Information Act, 
  5 USC 552, I am requesting access to: 

    1 ALL purchase requisitions, including any attached statement of
       work, issued by Sandia National Laboratories, Los Alamos     
       National Laboratories, or DOE/ALOO between January 1, 1991
       and February 17, 1998 to RSA Inc.

    2  Copies of all invoices from RSA Inc received by Sandia National   
        Laboratories, Los Alamos National Laboratories, or DOE/ALOO 
        between January 1, 1991  and February 17, 1998

  If there are any fees for searching for, or copying, the records 
  I have requested, please inform me before you fill the request.

  As you know, the Act permits you to reduce or waive the fees 
  when the release of the information is considered as "primarily 
  benefiting the public."  I believe that this requests fits that 
  category and I therefore ask that you waive any fees.

  Your office agreed to waive fees before.  This request is surely 
  of "public interest."

  December 13, 1994 DOE/AL FOIA officer Gwen Schreiner waived fees
  for the reason,

        "We have considered your request and have determined that
        release of the requested records is in the public interest,
        that disclosure of this information is likely to contribute
        significantly to public understanding of the operations or
        activities of the government, that you or the organization
        you represent have little or no commercial interest in the
        material contained in the records, that you or the
        organization you represent have the qualifications and
        ability to use and disseminate the information, and that the
        records are not currently in the public domain.  A waiver of
        fees is therefore granted."

  This waiver of fees was, undoubtedly, issued as a result of former
  Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary's Openness initiative.

  Heart of America paid my way to hear Secretary O'Leary's celebrated
  whistleblower speech.

  If all or any part of this request is denied, please cite the 
  specific exemption(s) which you think justifies your refusal to 
  release the information and inform me of your agency's 
  administrative appeal procedures available to me under the law.

  I would appreciate your handling this request as quickly as 
  possible, and I look forward to hearing from you within 20 
  working days, as the law stipulates.

I received no response to the above FOIA. 

Therefore I appeal as a result of non-response.

As you may be aware

      (6)(A) Each agency, upon any request for records made under  
       paragraph (1), (2), or (3) of this subsection, shall--
            (i) determine within ten days \1\ (excepting
        Saturdays, Sundays, and legal public holidays) after
        the receipt of any such request whether to comply with
        such request and shall immediately notify the person
        making such request of such determination and the
        reasons therefor, and of the right of such person to
        appeal to the head of the agency any adverse
        determination; and

And you may also be aware

 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
      \1\ Under section 12(b) of the Electronic Freedom of Information
  Act Amendments of 1996 (Pub. L. 104-231; 110 Stat. 3054), the
amendment
  made by section 8(b) of such Act striking ``ten days'' and inserting
  ``20 days'' shall take effect on October 3, 1997.
 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
            (ii) make a determination with respect to any
        appeal within twenty days (excepting Saturdays,
        Sundays, and legal public holidays) after the receipt
        of such appeal. If on appeal the denial of the request
        for records is in whole or in part upheld, the agency
        shall notify the person making such request of the
        provisions for judicial review of that determination
        under paragraph (4) of this subsection

So I expect a response to this appeal within the time allotted to you 
by law.

Much of this unfortunate matter is appearing on Internet.

 http://www.jya.com/whp021598.htm

 http://www.jya.com/cylinked.htm

 Letter from Bill Payne Regarding Cryptography at Sandia
 http://www.aci.net/kalliste/

 Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore?
 http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html
  
 NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran War
 http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm

 How Secure is America's Nuclear Arsenal?
 http://www.aci.net/kalliste/nukearse.htm

And, of course, we continue to seek settlement.

Sincerely,



William H. Payne 
13015 Calle de Sandias 
Albuquerque, NM 87111







From brianbr at together.net  Tue Mar 10 19:03:07 1998
From: brianbr at together.net (Brian B. Riley)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:03:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and  Cryptography
Message-ID: <199803110302.WAA08429@mx01.together.net>


On 3/10/98 7:22 AM, John Young (jya at pipeline.com)  passed this wisdom:

>It worth noting that Microsoft and the Justice Department are 
>perfect twins of technology and law monopolies, using brute force 
>and contracts to get their way, both clothed in self-righteousness 
>and both led by charming weirdos, both totally obsessed with each 
>their own mad view of law and technology in the "public interest."  

 John, would you really refer to Janet Reno as a 'charming weirdo'???? I 
can think of lost of names, epithets, and descriptions, but that surely 
would be far down my list.









From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Mar 10 19:43:14 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:43:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and  Cryptography
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980311034505.007435fc@pop.pipeline.com>


Brian Riley wrote:
>On 3/10/98 7:22 AM, John Young (jya at pipeline.com)  passed this wisdom:

> John, would you really refer to Janet Reno as a 'charming weirdo'???? I 
>can think of lost of names, epithets, and descriptions, but that surely 
>would be far down my list.

Brian, that post was a feeble one-time attempt to write straight prose, 
uninflected, unaccusatory, undiabolical, un-nuts, un-understandable. 

It took days of agony to arrive at empty perfection, to say nothing with 
crystal clear aplomb, foreign policy piquant, transparent balderdash 
cover-up of bald-face lies delivered deadpan grammatically.

I been studying James Rubin's disarmingly weird repartee at the State 
Department press conferences. Today he asked a reporter to define 
"who's got the con"  for foreign policy. (Laughter, the transcript hooted.)

"Charming weirdo" is the Secretary of State's and Rubin's demonic 
auto-epithet for her, emulating homicidal Maggie Thatcher hiding her 
demure will to slaughter.

Swear to god this is the last time I'll try to ape well-mannered civil 
discourse. You got the con: It's too sicko wacko. Back to incoherent 
snarl of ignorant brutes chewing leg off for freedom.







From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 10 20:42:56 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:42:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dr. Dimentos Tentacles
Message-ID: <199803110442.FAA14173@basement.replay.com>


bill.stewart at pobox.com wrote:
> 
> Guy --
> First you and Vulis flame each others, and then
> you start claiming that VZNuri's postings are really Vulis,
> and now you're claiming that postings from Toto's machines
> are really Vulis.  Perhaps *you're* really Vulis?

  Bill Frantz is *really* Vulis.
  Bill Stewart is *really* Toto.

  Both are charter members, along with Bill Clinton and Bill Gates,
of a secret society of people named Bill who plan to form a new
world government and declare the Buffalo Bills to be the real
Superbowl Champions by an act of legislation.

  I am truly amazed that a seemingly intelligent group of individuals
such as the CypherPunks cannot see the blatantly obvious connections
between the Bills and the TMs who are warring for control of our
minds.

--
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:.T:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Forge What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"







From brianbr at together.net  Tue Mar 10 21:04:01 1998
From: brianbr at together.net (Brian B. Riley)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:04:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and   Cryptography
Message-ID: <199803110503.AAA22078@mx02.together.net>


On 3/10/98 10:45 PM, John Young (jya at pipeline.com)  passed this wisdom:

>Brian Riley wrote:
>>On 3/10/98 7:22 AM, John Young (jya at pipeline.com)  passed this wisdom:
>
>> John, would you really refer to Janet Reno as a 'charming weirdo'???? I 
>>can think of lost of names, epithets, and descriptions, but that surely 
>>would be far down my list.
>
>Brian, that post was a feeble one-time attempt to write straight prose, 
>uninflected, unaccusatory, undiabolical, un-nuts, un-understandable. 
>
>It took days of agony to arrive at empty perfection, to say nothing with 
>crystal clear aplomb, foreign policy piquant, transparent balderdash 
>cover-up of bald-face lies delivered deadpan grammatically.
>
>I been studying James Rubin's disarmingly weird repartee at the State 
>Department press conferences. Today he asked a reporter to define 
>"who's got the con"  for foreign policy. (Laughter, the transcript hooted.)
>
>"Charming weirdo" is the Secretary of State's and Rubin's demonic 
>auto-epithet for her, emulating homicidal Maggie Thatcher hiding her 
>demure will to slaughter.
>
>Swear to god this is the last time I'll try to ape well-mannered civil 
>discourse. You got the con: It's too sicko wacko. Back to incoherent 
>snarl of ignorant brutes chewing leg off for freedom.

ROFLAAMAIBGFOT37thFOAOBDTADW:  rollin on floor laffing almost as
much as if Bill Gates fell out the 37th floor of an office building due
to a defective window.









From cashout at ibm.net  Wed Mar 11 03:51:45 1998
From: cashout at ibm.net (cashout at ibm.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:51:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PLEASE HELP US RETURN OVER $400 BILLION TO ITS RIGHTFUL OWNERS!
Message-ID: <199803111149.LAA17434@out5.ibm.net>



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From tonton9 at pp.iij4u.or.jp  Wed Mar 11 05:26:05 1998
From: tonton9 at pp.iij4u.or.jp (yoji fujita)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 05:26:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <000a01bd4cf1$244876c0$563582d2@fwhc6895>









From mscompia at microsoft.com  Wed Mar 11 07:10:06 1998
From: mscompia at microsoft.com (mscompia at microsoft.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:10:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Information From The Microsoft Personal Information Center
Message-ID: <042bf3409150b38UPIMSSMTPSYS08@msn.com>


Here is your password you requested from the Microsoft Personal Information Center at http://register.microsoft.com/regwiz/personalinfo.asp.

Password: cypherpunks

If you continue to have access problems or want to report other issues, please contact us through the Write Us button at the top of any Microsoft page.






From honig at otc.net  Wed Mar 11 10:08:52 1998
From: honig at otc.net (David Honig)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:08:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: emailed prez. death threat conviction
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980311100833.007b1e20@otc.net>


http://biz.yahoo.com/upi/98/03/11/general_news/usclinton_2.html
Wednesday March 11 5:39 AM EST 

Teen convicted of Clinton e-mail threats

MIDLAND, Mich., March 11 (UPI) _ A 17-year-old high school honors student
faces jail after being convicted of
sending e-mail death threats to President Clinton. 

Heidi Sullivan of Midland, Mich., was sentenced Tuesday to eight days in
jail and two years probation for sending
threats to the White House in January from a computer at Midland High School. 

Midland County Probation Officer Tom Adams says Sullivan could have
received 20 years for threatening the
president, but probably got the reduced sentence because of her family's
history.  [...]


.....................

In other news

			President Might Go Under Knife

                     WASHINGTON (AP) -- Sorry, Bill, it's for your own good.

                     After consulting with his proctologist -- and hearing
an appeal in favor of neutering from
                     actress Doris Day -- First Lady Hillary Clinton has
decided on the procedure for the President.

                     But the reluctant First Lady reserved the right to
change her mind. In announcing
                     Hillary's decision Tuesday, White House spokesman
Barry Toiv said Mrs. Clinton
                     was ``inclined'' to allow the procedure.

                     The National Organization of Women, the nation's
largest women's rights
                     group, applauded the First Lady's decision, saying she
was doing the right thing.

                     ``Neutering or spaying politicians is one of the most
important acts a
                     responsible society can take,'' said Martha Armstrong,
a society vice
                     president. ``It promotes better physical and
behavioral health,
                     and it helps to address the ubiquitous sexual
misconduct crises.''

                     Hillary set no immediate date for putting her husband
under the knife, leaving some to
                     wonder whether the 50 year old former Arkansas
governor has been told of
                     his fate.

                     ``Bill's a little too young to understand,'' Toiv said.

                     Indeed, the President seemed blissfully unaware of any
pending surgery as he played
                     fetch with Buddy, the first dog, on the South Lawn
with a green tennis ball Tuesday.

                     White House press secretary Mike McCurry said today
the procedure was ``not
                     likely anytime soon given the dispositions and pending
indictments.''

                     Toiv said Mrs. Clinton's decision was driven by
concerns for her husband's health. She
                     denied that it was motivated by the encounters Bill
has had with Socks the
                     family cat and various White House staff and interns.

                     Dr. Jacqueline Suarez, a proctologist with the
Alexandria (Va.) Army Hospital,
                     said neutering can help curb politicians' aggression
toward other politicians and tendency
                     to fornicate in unwelcome places.

                     ``Although, if we have people questioning if they
should or shouldn't, those health
                     reasons are good reasons to neuter as well, so we'll
use them as part of the case
                     for neutering,'' Suarez said.

                     Miss Day, president of the Doris Day Humanitarian
League, sent Clinton a letter in
                     December expressing concern that the nation would
suffer if he
                     were left intact. Among them was a risk of impeachment
in addition to 
		     testicular cancer and prostate infections that could lead to
problems with urination.

                     In January, McCurry said there were no plans to neuter
the President, who had moved
                     into the White House in 1993.

                     However, Clinton physician Connie Mariano has now told
Miss Day in a letter
                     that Mrs. Clinton had decided to neuter the president
on the advice of White House advisor
                     James Carville.

                     Armstrong said that politicians need not worry about
losing their procreative abilities.

                     ``Politicians don't have a real concept of identity or
ego.  Its all drive for power.
		      Neutering a politician or justice department official will not
change his basic personality,'' she said. 
		     ``They don't suffer any kind of emotional reaction or identity
crisis when neutered.''

                     Got that, Mr. President?


original at http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpwh1z.htm
------------------------------------------------------------
      David Honig                   Orbit Technology
     honig at otc.net                  Intaanetto Jigyoubu

Beat your algorithms into swords and your virtual machines into spears:
let the weak say, I am strong. 








	
















From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Wed Mar 11 12:46:10 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:46:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and   Cryptography
In-Reply-To: <199803110503.AAA22078@mx02.together.net>
Message-ID: <3506E85C.54D9@sk.sympatico.ca>


Brian B. Riley wrote:
> 
> On 3/10/98 10:45 PM, John Young (jya at pipeline.com)  passed this wisdom:
> >Swear to god this is the last time I'll try to ape well-mannered civil
> >discourse. You got the con: It's too sicko wacko. Back to incoherent
> >snarl of ignorant brutes chewing leg off for freedom.
> 
> ROFLAAMAIBGFOT37thFOAOBDTADW:  rollin on floor laffing almost as
> much as if Bill Gates fell out the 37th floor of an office building due
> to a defective window.

Hey, asshole!
Thanks for telling *everyone* about our plan...
Now I have to contact Blanc Weber and Jeff Sandquist and tell
them we have to come up with a new scheme.
And *this* time, we're not telling *you* about it!

Otot
~~~~







From brianbr at together.net  Wed Mar 11 12:50:39 1998
From: brianbr at together.net (Brian B. Riley)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:50:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and   Cryptography
Message-ID: <199803112050.PAA29056@mx01.together.net>


On 3/11/98 2:39 PM, Toto (toto at sk.sympatico.ca)  passed this wisdom:

>Brian B. Riley wrote:
>> 
>> On 3/10/98 10:45 PM, John Young (jya at pipeline.com)  passed this wisdom:
>> >Swear to god this is the last time I'll try to ape well-mannered civil
>> >discourse. You got the con: It's too sicko wacko. Back to incoherent
>> >snarl of ignorant brutes chewing leg off for freedom.
>> 
>> ROFLAAMAIBGFOT37thFOAOBDTADW:  rollin on floor laffing almost as
>> much as if Bill Gates fell out the 37th floor of an office building due
>> to a defective window.
>
>Hey, asshole!
>Thanks for telling *everyone* about our plan...
>Now I have to contact Blanc Weber and Jeff Sandquist and tell
>them we have to come up with a new scheme.
>And *this* time, we're not telling *you* about it!
>
>Otot
>~~~~

 I guess I now can consider myself a part of the list. I am have 
officially and publically been called an asshole by Toto ... the waitng 
has been killing me!









From die at die.com  Wed Mar 11 14:26:07 1998
From: die at die.com (Dave Emery)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:26:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BATFC -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Cryptography
In-Reply-To: <199803111530.QAA12576@basement.replay.com>
Message-ID: <19980311172718.42774@die.com>


On Wed, Mar 11, 1998 at 10:31:09AM -0800, James A. Donald wrote:
>     --
> 
> The Cato institute has done studies on comparative
> remuneration which shows approximately double the salaries,
> accompanied by vastly more security and power.
> 
> At the bottom end, bus drivers and prison guards, this is
> strikingly obvious.  A muni bus driver makes about as much as
> senior engineer in Silicon valley.
> 
	At the risk of an irrelevant and stupid digression from the topic
of the threat, Is this really true ?   The technical people I know who work
for the government seem to get salaries that would be low in industry
for someone with that background.

	And I'd be surprised that bus drivers out in silicon valley were
really making the $60-95K that ordinary senior engineers designing bus
drivers make around here (the NE).  If they are, they are getting lots
more than other municipal employees such as school teachers with masters
degrees. (In fact, I've heard that demand had recently driven salaries
in the valley way up and maybe my numbers for engineers are low,
especially for software engineers.)

	There is, of course, that nasty law that classifies engineers as
exempt professionals but  allows companies to treat them as just cannon
fodder workers stuffed into cubicles and treated with little of the
respect the term professional would suggest - to be forced to work large
amounts of completely uncompensated overtime. Bus drivers (non exempt)
do get paid for every minute they are on the job, and many times work
schedules are deliberately arranged to guarantee significant amounts of
overtime at time and a half, so many bus drivers actually make a
significant multiple of their nominal salary for the same hours
engineers get base salary and no more.

	But I do think that Prof. Froomkin is right that a lot of top
managers and legal types and others in government whose private sector
equivalents get huge salaries do work at a considerable loss.  Salaries
for top of the heap government employees such as judges and managers
of large departments with budgets in the tens or hundreds of millions
rarely get more than $150K, whereas similar people would get much
more in the private sector.

	Of course the job security differences are vast, and government
workers are one of the very few classes of workers left in the economy
who have any actual job security long term at all.

-- 
	Dave Emery N1PRE,  die at die.com  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. 
PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2  5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18






From die at die.com  Wed Mar 11 14:47:00 1998
From: die at die.com (Dave Emery)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:47:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [LEGAL] Crypto as Contraband?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <19980311174812.30010@die.com>


On Sun, Mar 08, 1998 at 11:41:41PM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:

	Qouting worst proposal before congress...
> 
> LEGAL TO USE CRYPTO: "After January 31, 2000, it shall not be
> unlawful to use any encryption product purchased or in use prior to
> such date."
> 
> 

	At the risk of raising yet another stupid and silly issue, does
anybody know how this would apply to crypto (such as PGP) available in
source form ?   Would only binaries produced by compiling the source
before the cutoff date be legal ?  Or would compiling the source under a
new version of the OS or new OS or even new instruction set (ISA-64 on a
Merced for example) merely constitute reasonable use of the existing
source product ? How about mechanical translations of the object to
another environment or instruction set ?   And what level of patches,
bug fixes, or actual changes and improvements to the source would be
legal if it was legal to compile the source and use the resulting binary
after the cutoff ?  


-- 
	Dave Emery N1PRE,  die at die.com  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. 
PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2  5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Wed Mar 11 15:24:19 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:24:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Only In Anonymous...
Message-ID: <199803112324.AAA16722@basement.replay.com>


Anonymous wrote:
> 
> There's nothing wrong with satire, but people ought to mark it as such,
> when posting to a list filled with weak-minded and ideologically
> blinded individuals. 

  I've long said the same thing about the purported 'news' stories
carried by the mainstream press, but the replies I have received from
the news giants merely state that their office gang all had a good
laugh over my 'satire'.
  Until the mainstream press begins marking their articles with such
labels/disclaimers as 'half-truth'/'politically-biased'/'government-
handout'/'self-serving'/'total-bullshit', etc., then I see no reason
to require such labeling by individual netizens who may well be doing
nothing more than writing the news of the near-future.

You go cut wood, carry water--chop, chop, splash, splash...

ZenRacistMonger






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From jya at pipeline.com  Wed Mar 11 17:07:17 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:07:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: House of Commons Library on US Sigint in Europe
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980312010926.0072ccec@pop.pipeline.com>


Simon Hossack has sent us a copy of a letter to Oliver Heald 
MP (UK) from the House of Commons Library on US signals 
intelligence in Europe, with focus on Menwith Hill. It is an answer 
to Mr. Heald's request for information on the charge of US 
spying in the STOA report as described by Duncan Campbell 
and Nicky Hager.

The letter documents successive parlimentary and journalistic 
inquiries about the USA/UK 50-years-long arrangement for joint 
intelligence and HMG's answers.

   http://jya.com/hoc-ussigint.htm







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From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:58:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ANNOUNCE: March Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting Saturday March 14, 12-6pm
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980311225235.0089c660@popd.ix.netcom.com>


The March Bay Area Cypherpunks meeting will be held
Saturday, March 14th, at Network Associates in Menlo Park.
Time - 12 noon hang out, 1-5 program, followed by dinner nearby, various evening parties

Agenda:
	Ian Goldberg's HINDE algorithm
	Reports from FC98 Anguilla Financial Cryptography conference
	Reports from Computers, Freedom, and Privacy CFP 98
	Open PGP status discussion
	Work in progress

Location:
	Network Associates, Inc
	Total Network Security division (formerly PGP, Inc)
	4500 Bohannon Drive, Menlo Park

Directions to NAI:

Take 101 (from North or South)
Exit at "Marsh Road/Atherton"
Go West (young man) off exit (right exit lane coming south from SF).
Turning to the West (away from the Bay / freeway)
Get in Left lane immediately.
Turn Left at very first light (Scott Drive, not far from freeway exit)
 (landmark: Shell gas station is on your right as you turn left)
Go South on Scott ~2/3 mi (parallel to 101 freeway fence).
Pass one Stop sign (do not turn yet).
 (landmark: Sun Microsystems has an office on the right)
Scott curves to right, becomes Bohannon Drive.
Turn left into first driveway: "Menlo Oak" Business Park
Go straight through parking lot ~2-300 yds
Curve 270 degrees around Fountain (effective left turn)
#4500 is on left as you curve around fountain.
Go down ~50 yds to main lobby entrance (south side of building).

Ask reception for Dave Del Torto (call 415.730.3583 cel if any problem).
Meeting room is behind reception area through first door on left.

Known or Suspected Parties:

Sandy's Masquerade in or near Oakland
PENSFA at Jim & Heather's in Campbell
"It's Green" filk-oriented potluck in San Jose (afternoon/evening)

				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





From richardh at cwsredlands.com  Wed Mar 11 23:03:37 1998
From: richardh at cwsredlands.com (richardh at cwsredlands.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:03:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: San Bernardino... New Technology !!
Message-ID: <199803120703.XAA18282@cygint.cygnus.com>


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From jya at pipeline.com  Thu Mar 12 05:56:50 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 05:56:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FBI CALEA Rule for Electronic Surveillance
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980312135741.006f2a64@pop.pipeline.com>


[Federal Register: March 12, 1998 (Volume 63, Number 48)]
[Page 12217-12310]

SUMMARY: The FBI is providing the Final Notice of the requirements for 
actual and maximum capacity for the interception of the content of 
communications and call-identifying information that telecommunications 
carriers may be required to effect to support law enforcement's 
electronic surveillance needs, as mandated in section 104 of the 
Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) 
(Public Law 103-414, 47 U.S.C. 1001-1010).

----------

For full copy:

   http://jya.com/fbi031298.txt  (685K)

Zipped version:

   http://jya.com/fbi031298.zip  (101K)







From jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu  Thu Mar 12 07:26:23 1998
From: jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu (Ken Williams)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:26:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Protection Commander 1.0
Message-ID: 



http://www.softcode.se/

Interesting....looks very unsecure though.

Ken Williams

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From billp at nmol.com  Thu Mar 12 07:58:29 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:58:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: distribution
Message-ID: <35080491.A41@nmol.com>


Thursday 3/12/98 7:34 AM

Certified - Return Receipt Requested

Cynthia McKinney

124 Cannon Building
Washington, DC 20515
Office: (202)225-1605
Fax: (202)226-0691
http://www.house.gov/mckinney/

Dear Representative McKinney:

PURPOSE of this letter is to ask your help for us to obtain copes of 
docket sheets from the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals for cases 
No. 94-2205, Payne v Sandia and 95-2204, Morales v Sandia.

All of our legal efforts to obtain these documents, which any citizen
has a right to, have failed.

REASON you are selected to help is that you appear to be knowledgeable
about operation of the current US federal government and willing to
speak 
out in an attempt to solve problems.

You appeared Friday February 27, 1998 on  PBS, The NewsHour with Jim 
Lehrer, along with senators Campbell, Hollings, Lott, Shelby Robb and 
representatives Dana Rohrabacher and Harold Rogers.

These senators and congressmen appeared not to support your views
because
they are either mis- or not well-informed about US involvement in
support 
of Saddam Hussein.

Stories supporting your view appear on Internet at

  NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran Conflict by J. Orlin Grabbe
  http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm

and

 Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore? by Wayne Madsen
 http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html

Madsen begins

   It may be the greatest intelligence scam of the century:
   For decades, the US has routinely intercepted and
   deciphered top secret encrypted messages of 120
   countries

But NSA , and as a result the US federal government, apparnetly 
got caught involved in complicity of deaths of about 500,000 Iranians.

This is the subject of a Federal lawsuit seen on Internet at

   http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm
  
US federal government help of Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war may 
possibly backfire on innocent US citizens.

The Wall Street Journal, March 10, 1998, pp. B1, B9. reports

   A Peek Inside a Giant Germ Warehouse 

   By Rochelle Sharpe

   Rockville, Md. -- They keep anthrax bacteria in the
   basement of a faded red-brick building here.

   It isn't far from the yellow-fever virus, the botulism
   bacteria and some of the hundreds of organisms that cause
   the common cold. In fact, there are samples of 85,000
   different fungi, viruses, cells, genes and bacteria here at
   the American Type Culture Collection, by far the largest of
   the 450 repositories of biological materials scattered
   around the globe. ...

   The ATCC legally shipped 10 vials of anthrax, botulism and
   other deadly substances to Iraqi scientists in the 1980s --
   when the U.S. and Iraq were on much friendlier terms -- all
   with the Commerce Department's approval. ...

   http://www.jya.com/btn031198.txt

The US federal government apparently intended these bioweapons to 
be used against the people of Iran.

You demonstrated on PBS TV a quality identified by Francis Bacon

         The contemplation of things as they are,
                without error or confusion,
            without substitution or imposture,
   is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention.

by your statement about Saddam Hussein on PBS

                ...our man and our creation...

Perhaps after reading the above materials and

   The Problem of Paradigm Shifts - Terrorism and the 
   Threat From Weapons of Mass Destruction in the Middle East
   Working Draft Anthony H. Cordesman, Senior Fellow and 
   Co-Director Middle East Studies Program October 22, 1996

  http://www.csis.org/mideast/terror.html

senators Campbell, Hollings, Lott, Shelby, Robb and representatives 
Dana Rohrabacher and Harold Rogers MAY NOW understand why you are 
correct and they are mis- or not well-informed about US involvement 
with Saddam Hussein.

PROBLEM we face with the US court system is that court clerks and judges
have committed Title 18 felony violation of law IN WRITING in an attempt
to deny us monetary compensation due us for the cases WE WON at the 
Tenth Circuit on Appeal.  

But judges awarded victories to the US federal government in violation 
of Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure.

Cases  No. 94-2205, Payne v Sandia and 95-2204, Morales v Sandia 
were both won pro se on appeal.

We have filed a writ of mandamus with supreme court judge 
Scalia in an  attempt to get the docket sheets for the two above 
cases.

But Scalia will not answer our certified letters.

Senator McCain wrote Payne on December 23, 1997

  I wanted to take this opportunity of than you for you letter of 
  December 3, 1997. 

  Your situation is in the jurisdiction of Senator Pete Dominici.  
  Therefore, I have  forwarded you letter to his attention.

  William, I hope you situation can be resolved favorably.

Lawyers and politicians Dominici and Bingaman are part of a 
problem not a solution.

Dominici and Bingaman have the following agenda

  University of New Mexico Bureau for Business and Economic
  Research reported on October 14, 1997: 

  A  The Gross State Product of New Mexico is $37.8 billion.

  B  The US Federal government sends $11.3 billion to New Mexico
      each year.

  C  For each $1 New Mexico sends to Washington, New Mexico gets 
      $2 back.

THEREFORE, Representative McKinney, we ask your help to get copies
of the docket sheets.

Citizens of the US are becoming more upset with the behavior of 
bureaucrats, the courts [lawyers], and the US federal government. 

Some Americans have no other way to express their dissatisfaction
with US federal government mismanagement of our country except
by violence.

Frederick Douglass either wrote or said on  August 4, 1847

          Those who profess to favor freedom,
            and yet depreciate agitation
   are men who want crops without plowing up the ground.
      They want rain without thunder and lightening.
         Power concedes nothing without a demand.
            It never did, and it never will.
       Find out just what people will submit to
        and you have found out the exact amount
  of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.
      These will continue until they are resisted
        with either words or blows, or with both.
          The limits of tyrants are prescribed
       by the endurance of those whom they oppress.

We chose to use the words and law to hold government 
employees accountable.

Please encourage Scalia to do his job. 

Help get us copies of the docket sheets.  

And even perhaps help investigate further and settle this 
American tragedy.


Sincerely,



Arthur R. Morales                William H. Payne
1023 Los  Arboles NW             13015 Calle de Sandias NE
Albuquerque, NM 87107            Albuquerque, NM 87111

Enclosures
1  NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran Conflict by J. Orlin Grabbe
2  Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore? by Wayne Madsen
3  Swiss Radio International Audio tape, 15 May, 18 July 1994

Distribution
Ben Nighthorse Campbell
  administrator at campbell.senate.gov 
Ernest Hollings
  senator at hollings.senate.gov
Trent Lott
  senatorlott at lott.senate.gov
Richard Shelby
  senator at shelby.senate.gov 
Charles Robb
  Senator_Robb at robb.senate.gov
Jim Lehrer
  newshour at pbs.org







From sandfort at crl.com  Thu Mar 12 09:15:51 1998
From: sandfort at crl.com (Sandy Sandfort)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:15:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ANNOUNCE: March Bay Area Cypherpunks Meeting Saturday March 14, 12-6pm
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980311225235.0089c660@popd.ix.netcom.com>
Message-ID: 


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                          SANDY SANDFORT
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

C'punks,

On Wed, 11 Mar 1998, Bill Stewart wrote:

> The March Bay Area Cypherpunks meeting will be held Saturday,
> March 14th...followed by dinner nearby, various evening parties
> ...Sandy's Masquerade in or near Oakland...

Guilty as charged, your Honor.  The invitation URL is at:

	http://www.c2.net/~sandy/98mar.htm

Be there or be a parallelogram with sides of equal length and
equal angles.


 S a n d y

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~








From jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu  Thu Mar 12 13:41:06 1998
From: jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu (Ken Williams)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:41:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: new on Peacefire: TracerLock search monitor service (fwd)
Message-ID: 



Ken Williams

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other states.

If you know someone living in New Mexico, or if you live in New Mexico, we
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Please help us find someone living in New Mexico who could volunteer to
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From gwb at gwb.com.au  Thu Mar 12 15:39:05 1998
From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:39:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Pauline Hanson hits Sydney
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980312222322.006f2648@mail.pronet.net.au>


Here is an excellent opportunity for Pauline Hanson supporters in New South
Wales to come meet and hear Australia's best known politician.

Pauline Hanson will be speaking on the failures of successive governments,
the dangers facing Australians and the urgent need for our country to change
direction and once again prioritise the needs of our people.

Tickets will be sold at the door at most venues. Enquiries should be
directed to One Nation Manly office - (02) 9976 0283

Her Sydney itinerary:

Today (13th March 1998) 

Speaking on Channel 9s Midday Show.

7.30pm Public meeting at AJC Club in Allison Road, Randwick 

Tomorrow (Saturday 14th March)

12 noon - Hawkesbury Sportsman's Club, Beaumont Ave North Richmond.
(NOTE: This is a luncheon also featuring 2GB Radio personality Brian Wiltshire)

7.30pm - Joan Sutherland Centre, High Str., Penrith

Sunday 15th March 

2pm - Cessnock Town Hall, Darwin Street, Cessnock

7.30pm - Dural Country Club, 662 Old Northern Road, DURAL

Monday 16th March

7.30pm Manly Warringah Leagues Club, Pittwater Road, Brookvale

Tuesday 17th March

7.30pm Wyong Multi-Function centre, Healey Str, Wyong

Show your support. BE THERE!

GWB


Scott Balson






From joc at pdx.oneworld.com  Thu Mar 12 19:46:33 1998
From: joc at pdx.oneworld.com (JO COOPER)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:46:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: get me off
Message-ID: <199803130345.TAA27091@iceberg.pdx.oneworld.com>


Hello- ANYONE!!!
Please, my young son subscribed me to this -whatever you are- and I 
cannot get off- I do not want any e-mail from you.  Can I please get 
instructions as to how to stop this?
Thank you





From Cindy at mcglashan.com  Thu Mar 12 20:03:57 1998
From: Cindy at mcglashan.com (Cindy Cohn)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:03:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Senate Cmte to hear Testimony About Bernstein Case
Message-ID: <199803130338.TAA18807@gw.quake.net>


The Senate Judiciary Committee's Subcommittee on the Constitution,
Federalism, and Property Rights will hear testimony from  Cindy Cohn, lead
counsel in the Bernstein case on March 17, 1997.  

The hearing, entitled "Privacy in the Digital Age: Encryption and Mandatory
Access," will begin at 10:00 a.m. in Room 226 of the Dirksen Senate Office
Building.  The Subcommittee is chaired by Senator John Ashcroft of Missouri.  

Ms. Cohn will discuss the Bernstein case as well as the inherent
constitutional problems raised by the proposals for domestic cryptography
controls.

This will be the first time that the Congressional committees considering
proposed cryptography legislation have heard testimony from those directly
involved in the legal challenges the current regulations.  

The government's appeal of the Bernstein case, which was argued on December
8, 1997, is still pending with the 9th Circuit.  A decision is expected in
the next few months.




******************************
Cindy A. Cohn, Cindy at McGlashan.com
McGlashan & Sarrail, P.C.
177 Bovet Road, 6th Floor
San Mateo, CA 94402
(650) 341-2585 (tel)
(650) 341-1395 (fax)






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Thu Mar 12 22:03:15 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:03:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fortify
Message-ID: <199803130603.HAA04734@basement.replay.com>


Tthe remarkably hackable nature of  Netscape's "weak" crypto has been marveled
at here and in the press, but has no one else speculated on how this state of
affairs came to be?  I, for one, would like to thank the anonymous cypherpunks
toiling in the bowels of Netscape.  An amazing feat, achieving world-wide
distribution of millions of copies of strong crypto, the Feds all unknowing.  
Does anyone here _not_ think this was the deliberate act of one or more
cryptoanarchists?






From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Thu Mar 12 22:15:00 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:15:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: get me off
In-Reply-To: <199803130345.TAA27091@iceberg.pdx.oneworld.com>
Message-ID: <3508CDBD.6150@sk.sympatico.ca>


JO COOPER wrote:
> I
> cannot get off

http://www.studiousanonymous.com/
Studios Anonymous - adult explicit site features: bestiality, 
transexuals, lesbians, young girls, gays, masturbaters,
cocksuckers, ass pounders, beautiful asses, huge tits, dogs, horses, 
chimps, cows.

> Thank you
You're welcome






From lauke31 at prodigy.com  Thu Mar 12 23:12:16 1998
From: lauke31 at prodigy.com (lauke31 at prodigy.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 23:12:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: "Make your Mailbox an ATM Machine"
Message-ID: <19980313674HAA23717@post.erzwiss.uni-hamburg.de>





 MAKE YOUR MAILBOX YOUR CASH ATM    
                        MACHINE!
                                                                              
           Immediately Make a Copy of this Letter, PRINT IT SAVE
           and READ again. I received this Letter 3 times before I decided
           to try it. I beat up on my self for not joining this group sooner

    ===Add your Name the our Mailing List and start Receiving Cash!===

Greetings:
Hopefully my name is still on the list below. I am a retired attorney and
 about two years ago, a man came to me with a letter. NOTE: This is not 
a chain letter. THIS SERVICE IS 100% LEGAL! (Refer to TITLE 18,
 Section 1302 & 1342 of the U.S. POSTAL and LOTTERY LAWS). 
The letter he brought me is basically the same letter you have in your 
hands. He asked me to verify the fact that this letter was legal to do. 
I told him I would review it and get back to him. When I first read the 
letter my client brought me, I thought it was some kind of off-the wall 
idea to make money. A week and a half later, we met in my office to 
discuss the issue. I told him to make a small change in the letter and it 
would be all right.

I was still curious about the letter, so he told me how it works. 
I thought it was a long shot, so I decided against participating, 
but before my client left, I asked him to keep me updated as to his
result. About two months later he called me to tell me HE HAD 
RECEIVED OVER $800,000.00 IN CASH. I didn't believe him, so 
he asked me to try his idea and find out for my self. I thought about it
for a couple days and decided I didn't really  have anything to lose, 
so I asked him for a copy of the letter.  I followed the instructions
exactly, mailed out 200 copies, and sure enough, the money started
arriving!  It came slowly at first, but after about three weeks, I was 
getting more mail  than I could open in a day. After about  three 
months the money stopped  coming. I KEPT PRECISE RECORDS 
OF THE EARNINGS AND AT THE END, IT TOTALED $868,494.00!

I was earning a good living as a lawyer, but anyone in the legal profession 
will tell you, there is a lot of stress that comes with the job. I told myself
 if  things  work out, I would retire from the practice and play golf. I
decided
to try the letter again, but this time I sent 500 letter out. Well, three
months 
later, I HAD TOTALED $2,344,178.00 ! I just couldn't believe it. I met my 
old client for lunch to find out how it worked. He told me there are quite a 
few similar letters going around. WHAT MAKES THIS ONE DIFFERENT
IS THE FACT THAT THERE ARE SEVEN NAMES INSTEAD OF FIVE 
LIKE MOST OTHERS.  That fact alone results in your name being on far 
more return. The other factor was the help I gave him in making sure the 
whole thing was  perfectly legal, since nobody wants to risk doing something 
illegal.

I'll bet by now you are curious to know what little change I told him to make.
Well, If you sent a letter like this out, to be legal, you need to actually
sell 
something if you expect to receive a DOLLAR. I told him anyone sending 
a dollar  back to him must receive something in return. So, when you send a
dollar to each  of the seven people on the list, you must include a slip of
paper 
with the words:  "Please put me on your mailing list", include your, name,
mailing address, e-mail optional... 

THIS IS THE KEY TO THE PROGRAM!!  THE ITEM YOU WILL RECEIVE
 FOR THE DOLLAR YOU SEND TO THE SEVEN NAMES IS YOUR NAME 
ON THEIR MARKETING LETTER AND THE RIGHT TO EARN THOUSANDS ! !


   Follow the simple instructions below exactly, & in less than three months,
    you will receive over $800,000.00 GUARANTEED!!!!!!!!

1. Immediately send $1.00 to each of the seven people on the list below, 
    wrap a dollar in a note saying, "Please add me to your mailing list" 
    and include your name, mailing address , optional e-mail address.

2. Remove the names in the #1 position on the list and move the rest of
     the names up one position. Then place your name in the #7 position.  
     This is best done by saving this to a text file and editing it yourself
     and saving the new edited copy. Or  typing a new list, (Only the names)
     taping or gluing over  the old ones.  Or by.  Be very careful when you type 
     the address and proof read them.

 
1. G. Paul, 314 Sidney Martin St., Lafayette, LA 70507
2. I.A. Goodspeed, 33080 Brockway St, Union City, CA 94587 
3. M. Alfred, P.O. Box 33366, San Antonio, Texas 78265
4. Ophelia Williams, 1250 E. Alexander St, Lafayette, LA 70501 
5. Ed.. Bronsc, 9824 South Western Avenue  #321, Evergreen Park, IL 60805
6. ABC Sales, 12541A South Western, Box 4, Blue Island, IL 60406
7. S. Andrews, 89 Park Street, Rear Building #2, Montclair, NJ  07042


3. When you have completed the instructions, you have the option of mailing 
    your New Letter out in two ways: (1) by e-mail or  (2)Through the 
    U.S. Postal Service.  Either way will bring big payoffs. This letter has
    been proven perfectly legal for both ways as long as you follow the above
    instructions, because you are purchasing membership in an exclusive 
    mailing list. 

To mail this out over the Internet,.  All you have to do is order several
hundred thousand e-mails from a provider like the one below. Also you can go to the
members directory in AOL and there you can collect thousands of names for 
free.  However, you will need a utility to collect these names from AOL. As 
a Member of AOL, go the Keyword, there is a free software utility under BPS 
software called Power tools. This will allow you to cut and paste e-mails .
 Remember it does not cost anything to mail on the Internet.  Or you can get 
a Mass Mail Network to mail it out in large  volumes for you.  We highly
recommend this one.  They always email more  than you purchase and their 
 address are fresh.  Mail this letter to them with your name and address in
the  Position # 7 above.  A good one to use is:

Global Frontiers Marketing
732-728-0064
They are fair and do a good job of mailing to lots of internet providers.

4. We have a Fresh List of AOL Email address ready to use. These  addresses 
    are downloaded weekly. 50,000 AOL E-mail addresses $7.50; 100,000/ $10.00
    you also get a Free Mailer with and order of 100,000 e-mails
    These addresses are on 3 .5  Disk.
          Ebran Marketing
          9824 South Western
          Suite 321
          Evergreen Park, IL 60805
5. If you are going to use the traditional U.S. Postal Service to do this 
     program, you will want to make copies of this letter at a copy center
      (kinkos copy service) and  order a minimum of  500 names (1000 is best)
       from a mailing list company.

Ebran Marketing, 9824 S. Western Ave, Suite 321, Evergreen Park, IL 60805
     500/ $15.00    1000/ $20.00

These two also have effective lists:
     Avon Distributors ~ P.O. Box B11 ~ Shelly, ID 83274 ~ (800) 992-3866
      DataLine ~ P.O.Box 7348 ~ Omaha, NE 68107 ~ (800)497-2912

(A) While waiting for you list to arrive, place your copies in envelopes, 
stamp, and seal them. DO NOT PUT YOUR RETURN ADDRESS ON
THE ENVELOPES! This will only pique the curiosity of the receiver.
 (B) When your mailing list arrives, place a label on each of your
envelopes and drop them in the mail box. Within 90 days, you will receive
over $800,000.00 in cash !!! * Keep a copy of this letter so you can use
 it a second time. Mail it out again in about six months but mail it to the
addresses you receive with each dollar. It will work again, only much better!

BE SURE TO MAIL $1.00 TO EACH OF THE NAMES ON THE LIST 
ABOVE.  INTEGRITY AND HONESTY WILL MAKE THIS PLAN WORK. 
And together WE WILL ALL PROSPER.

Here's how the system works: Assume for example you get a 7.5% return rate,
which is very conservative. My first attempt was about 9.5% and my second
was over 11%.
1.When you send out 200 letters, 15 people will send you $1.00 = $15.00 
2.Those 15 mail out 200 letters each and 225 people send $1.00 =$225.00
3.Those 225 mail out 200 letters each and 3,375 people send $1.00=$3,375.00
4.Those 3,375 mail out 200 letters each and 50,625 people send
$1.00=$50,625.00 
5.Those 50,625 mail out 200 letters each and 759,372 people send
$1.00=$759,372.00

At this point your name drops off the list...but so far you have 
received $813,612.00

It works every time, but how well depends on how many letters you send
out. In the example above, you mailed out 200 letters, if you had mailed
out 500 letters, you would have received over $2,00,017.
NOW, just think if you send out 50,000 to 100,000 e-mails and you only get
1.5 to a 3% response and each person responding send out another 50,000 to
100,000 with the 1.5 to 3% response.  Now you see you can easily reach the
$800,000 plus with little effort on your part. (Check the Math Yourself)

 With this kind of possible return, you have got to try it.Try it once and you
will do it again!!!!.  Just make sure you send a DOLLAR to each of the seven
 names on the list with a note to be added to their mailing list. Follow the
above
 instructions exactly, you will have SUCCESS!!!!!!

PS: You have read this far, so let me ask you one simple question:
     What do you have to loose?
     Just $7.00, but with a little effort on your part, you can gain over
$800,000

EVERYBODY ON THE LIST NEEDS EVERYBODY'S HELP. 

TRY IT NOW ! ! Place your name on our mailing List by sending your $1.00 
to each of the 7 names above today.

Within about 14 days you will need help counting your $1.00 bills


































Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980313094123.007c6b40@otc.net>


At 07:03 AM 3/13/98 +0100, Anonymous wrote:
>Tthe remarkably hackable nature of  Netscape's "weak" crypto has been
marveled
>at here and in the press, but has no one else speculated on how this state of
>affairs came to be?  I, for one, would like to thank the anonymous
cypherpunks
>toiling in the bowels of Netscape.  An amazing feat, achieving world-wide
>distribution of millions of copies of strong crypto, the Feds all
unknowing.  
>Does anyone here _not_ think this was the deliberate act of one or more
>cryptoanarchists?
>

Not to burst your optimism, but wouldn't good software design dictate
maintainable, ie, modifiable code?




------------------------------------------------------------
      David Honig                   Orbit Technology
     honig at otc.net                  Intaanetto Jigyoubu

Beat your algorithms into swords and your virtual machines into spears:
let the weak say, I am strong. 

Gosling deliver us from the ropes of backcompatability and mass production.









	
















From mgraffam at mhv.net  Fri Mar 13 11:14:36 1998
From: mgraffam at mhv.net (mgraffam at mhv.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:14:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fortify
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980313094123.007c6b40@otc.net>
Message-ID: 


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On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, David Honig wrote:
> Not to burst your optimism, but wouldn't good software design dictate
> maintainable, ie, modifiable code?

That depends on how you are using the term 'good.' If the purpose of the
design is to make a programmer's life easy, then you may be right. 

On the other hand, if the software calls for a bit of security, like
ns does, then I would assume otherwise. Programmers who are serious about
making crippleware don't distribute the full executable with a simple
branch instruction (going to the cripple routine) to keep the user at bay:
they know that it is trivial to modify the code. I would assume that 
the programmer's at netscape understand this. If they were serious about
keeping people from using 128 bit crypto, they would have yanked it
completely. 

Now, I don't think that this was done out of benevolence, mind you.
Rather, I think that they are a bit more concerned with producing a
good browser and didn't take the time to design a weak-crypto version:
they took the easy way out.

Netscape wants to make money, and for this I support them. They aren't 
going to pay programmers to make a product like a weak-crypto browser
when it doesn't make them money. They get the minimum job done to bow to
ITAR, and they get to work on some new snazzy features for the next
version.

They make Fortezza-based browsers too, would we call them the servants
of Big Brother? Hell no. They are neither freedom fighters nor henchmen
of a tyrant: they are businessmen.

Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net)
http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-incurred immaturity.
Immaturity is the inability to use one's own understanding without the
guidance of another. . .Sapere aude! Have the courage to use your own
understanding!" - Immanuel Kant "What is Enlightenment?"

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From afabbro at umich.edu  Fri Mar 13 11:17:25 1998
From: afabbro at umich.edu (andrew fabbro)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:17:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fortify
In-Reply-To: <199803130603.HAA04734@basement.replay.com>
Message-ID: 


On Fri, 13 Mar 1998, Anonymous wrote:

> toiling in the bowels of Netscape.  An amazing feat, achieving world-wide 
> distribution of millions of copies of strong crypto, the Feds all unknowing.  

Netscape distributes both a domestic version and an international version:

"Note to customers from countries other than Canada and the United States:
Netscape's recent agreement with the U.S. government allows you to
download Netscape Communicator client software with strong encryption
capabilities that can be accessed only when you connect to particular
Netscape servers approved for export. This capability is now built into
all Netscape Communicator client products and does NOT require you to
fill out an eligibility declaration.

U.S. and Canadian citizens and permanent residents may download versions
with strong encryption that is ALWAYS enabled (regardless of the 128-bit
server connected to) but must still fill out an eligibility declaration
before doing so.

This option allows you to talk to sites that use a strong version of
cryptography to encode sensitive information - such as a credit card
number - that you don't want anyone to be able to capture and read
as it is transmitted over the Internet. All Netscape products include
cryptographic capability. However, if you are a U.S. or Canadian citizen
or a legal permanent resident of the United States, you can choose a
version with the stronger encryption always enabled.

Strong encryption refers to the size of the key used to encrypt the
message. Roughly speaking, messages encrypted with strong (128-bit)
encryption are 309,485,009,821,345,068,724,781,056 times harder to break
than those that use 40-bit encryption. However, some experts estimate that
keys much shorter than 128 bits will be safe for the next two decades.

The strong U.S./Canada-only encryption version is available in French
and English to U.S. and Canadian citizens and to permanent residents of
the United States only.  Because the U.S. government restricts export of
any product using 128-bit encryption, you will be asked to fill out an
Eligibility Declaration stating that you are a U.S. or Canadian citizen or
a legal permanent resident of the United States before you will be allowed
to download the software you've selected. The Eligibility Declaration
will be stored in a database and made available to the U.S. government
upon request."

	-- http://home.netscape.com/download/client_options.html#enhanced




-- 
 Andrew Fabbro   [afabbro at umich.edu]   [andrewf at jesuswept.com]
 http://www-personal.umich.edu/~afabbro/          313.647.2713 
 "We make money the old fashion way. We print it." - DigiCrime







From StanSquncr at aol.com  Fri Mar 13 14:42:29 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:42:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: get me off/ME TOO!
Message-ID: <1e0ef5b7.3509b602@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-12 23:17:51 EST, joc at pdx.oneworld.com writes:

<< Hello- ANYONE!!!
 Please, my young son subscribed me to this -whatever you are- and I 
 cannot get off- I do not want any e-mail from you.  Can I please get 
 instructions as to how to stop this? >>

Me too.  Take me off of your stinkin' list.

Stan and the Sequencers





From Cindy at mcglashan.com  Fri Mar 13 14:52:20 1998
From: Cindy at mcglashan.com (Cindy Cohn)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:52:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Correction re Senate testimony
Message-ID: <199803132231.OAA26445@gw.quake.net>


My earlier post was slightly overstated.  Phil Karn has testified before
Congress numerous times about his legal challenge and has consistently
pushed these issues in the legislature.  

My testimony will be the first time any of the attorneys involved have been
asked to discuss the constitutional problems with the cryptography
restrinctions.

My apologies to Phil.

Cindy



******************************
Cindy A. Cohn, Cindy at McGlashan.com
McGlashan & Sarrail, P.C.
177 Bovet Road, 6th Floor
San Mateo, CA 94402
(650) 341-2585 (tel)
(650) 341-1395 (fax)






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Fri Mar 13 15:26:57 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:26:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Correction re Senate testimony
Message-ID: <4e16d544.3509bbac@aol.com>


Take me off of this list.

Stan





From billp at nmol.com  Fri Mar 13 18:16:09 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:16:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: taocp v3 p32
Message-ID: <3509E567.2364@nmol.com>

Subject: 
        Swiss radio international tape
  Date: 
        Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:45:06 -0700
  From: 
        bill payne 
    To: 
        taocp at cs.stanford.edu
Knuth

Hope you got a copy of the tape.

I wonder or not whether you knew that NSA ACTIVELY tried
to suppress knowledge and research on shift register
sequences.  And Forth too.

Looks like possibly a BAD SCENE ahead.

Best, allahu akbar, etc.

bill

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Thursday 3/12/98 7:34 AM

Certified - Return Receipt Requested

Cynthia McKinney

124 Cannon Building
Washington, DC 20515
Office: (202)225-1605
Fax: (202)226-0691
http://www.house.gov/mckinney/

Dear Representative McKinney:



PURPOSE of this letter is to ask your help for us to obtain copes of 
docket sheets from the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals for cases 
No. 94-2205, Payne v Sandia and 95-2204, Morales v Sandia.

All of our legal efforts to obtain these documents, which any citizen
has a right to, have failed.

REASON you are selected to help is that you appear to be knowledgeable
about operation of the current US federal government and willing to speak 
out in an attempt to solve problems.

You appeared Friday February 27, 1998 on  PBS, The NewsHour with Jim 
Lehrer, along with senators Campbell, Hollings, Lott, Shelby Robb and 
representatives Dana Rohrabacher and Harold Rogers.

These senators and congressmen appeared not to support your views because
they are either mis- or not well-informed about US involvement in support 
of Saddam Hussein.

Stories supporting your view appear on Internet at

  NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran Conflict by J. Orlin Grabbe
  http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm

and

 Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore? by Wayne Madsen
 http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html

Madsen begins

   It may be the greatest intelligence scam of the century:
   For decades, the US has routinely intercepted and
   deciphered top secret encrypted messages of 120
   countries

But NSA , and as a result the US federal government, apparnetly 
got caught involved in complicity of deaths of about 500,000 Iranians.

This is the subject of a Federal lawsuit seen on Internet at

   http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm
  
US federal government help of Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war may 
possibly backfire on innocent US citizens.

The Wall Street Journal, March 10, 1998, pp. B1, B9. reports

   A Peek Inside a Giant Germ Warehouse 

   By Rochelle Sharpe

   Rockville, Md. -- They keep anthrax bacteria in the
   basement of a faded red-brick building here.

   It isn't far from the yellow-fever virus, the botulism
   bacteria and some of the hundreds of organisms that cause
   the common cold. In fact, there are samples of 85,000
   different fungi, viruses, cells, genes and bacteria here at
   the American Type Culture Collection, by far the largest of
   the 450 repositories of biological materials scattered
   around the globe. ...

   The ATCC legally shipped 10 vials of anthrax, botulism and
   other deadly substances to Iraqi scientists in the 1980s --
   when the U.S. and Iraq were on much friendlier terms -- all
   with the Commerce Department's approval. ...

   http://www.jya.com/btn031198.txt

The US federal government apparently intended these bioweapons to 
be used against the people of Iran.

You demonstrated on PBS TV a quality identified by Francis Bacon

         The contemplation of things as they are,
                without error or confusion,
            without substitution or imposture,
   is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention.

by your statement about Saddam Hussein on PBS

                ...our man and our creation...

Perhaps after reading the above materials and

   The Problem of Paradigm Shifts - Terrorism and the 
   Threat From Weapons of Mass Destruction in the Middle East
   Working Draft Anthony H. Cordesman, Senior Fellow and 
   Co-Director Middle East Studies Program October 22, 1996

  http://www.csis.org/mideast/terror.html

senators Campbell, Hollings, Lott, Shelby, Robb and representatives 
Dana Rohrabacher and Harold Rogers MAY NOW understand why you are 
correct and they are mis- or not well-informed about US involvement 
with Saddam Hussein.

PROBLEM we face with the US court system is that court clerks and judges
have committed Title 18 felony violation of law IN WRITING in an attempt
to deny us monetary compensation due us for the cases WE WON at the 
Tenth Circuit on Appeal.  

But judges awarded victories to the US federal government in violation 
of Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure.

Cases  No. 94-2205, Payne v Sandia and 95-2204, Morales v Sandia 
were both won pro se on appeal.

We have filed a writ of mandamus with supreme court judge 
Scalia in an  attempt to get the docket sheets for the two above 
cases.

But Scalia will not answer our certified letters.

Senator McCain wrote Payne on December 23, 1997

  I wanted to take this opportunity of than you for you letter of 
  December 3, 1997. 

  Your situation is in the jurisdiction of Senator Pete Dominici.  
  Therefore, I have  forwarded you letter to his attention.

  William, I hope you situation can be resolved favorably.

Lawyers and politicians Dominici and Bingaman are part of a 
problem not a solution.

Dominici and Bingaman have the following agenda

  University of New Mexico Bureau for Business and Economic
  Research reported on October 14, 1997: 

  A  The Gross State Product of New Mexico is $37.8 billion.

  B  The US Federal government sends $11.3 billion to New Mexico
      each year.

  C  For each $1 New Mexico sends to Washington, New Mexico gets 
      $2 back.

THEREFORE, Representative McKinney, we ask your help to get copies
of the docket sheets.

Citizens of the US are becoming more upset with the behavior of 
bureaucrats, the courts [lawyers], and the US federal government. 

Some Americans have no other way to express their dissatisfaction
with US federal government mismanagement of our country except
by violence.

Frederick Douglass either wrote or said on  August 4, 1847

          Those who profess to favor freedom,
            and yet depreciate agitation
   are men who want crops without plowing up the ground.
      They want rain without thunder and lightening.
         Power concedes nothing without a demand.
            It never did, and it never will.
       Find out just what people will submit to
        and you have found out the exact amount
  of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.
      These will continue until they are resisted
        with either words or blows, or with both.
          The limits of tyrants are prescribed
       by the endurance of those whom they oppress.

We chose to use the words and law to hold government 
employees accountable.

Please encourage Scalia to do his job. 

Help get us copies of the docket sheets.  

And even perhaps help investigate further and settle this 
American tragedy.


Sincerely,



Arthur R. Morales                William H. Payne
1023 Los  Arboles NW             13015 Calle de Sandias NE
Albuquerque, NM 87107            Albuquerque, NM 87111

Enclosures
1  NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran Conflict by J. Orlin Grabbe
2  Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore? by Wayne Madsen
3  Swiss Radio International Audio tape, 15 May, 18 July 1994

Distribution
Ben Nighthorse Campbell
  administrator at campbell.senate.gov 
Ernest Hollings
  senator at hollings.senate.gov
Trent Lott
  senatorlott at lott.senate.gov
Richard Shelby
  senator at shelby.senate.gov 
Charles Robb
  Senator_Robb at robb.senate.gov
Jim Lehrer
  newshour at pbs.org


Title: Space Related Applications of Forth









Space-Related Applications of Forth


Compiled by James Rash NASA Goddard Space Flight
Center Greenbelt, Maryland 


Introduction. 

The following table presents space-related applications
of Forth microprocessors and the Forth programming language, including


spacecraft flight system controllers 

on-board payload experiment controllers 

ground support systems (e.g., communications controllers
and data processing systems) 

hardware or software used to build or test either flight
or ground systems. 

Developers are requested to supply table updates and
corrections, as well as information regarding relevant projects not
already included, as appropriate. Please send information, comments, and
suggestions to the author of this web page. Authorization for release of
the information is the responsibility of the contributor. 

Please notify the author concerning any non functional
URLs, links, or contact information in the table. 

Further information on Forth, including the ANSI standard
(ANS Forth): 

Forth Interest
Group Maryland Forth Interest Group: http://www.bcpl.lib.md.us/~nbuck/fig.html -->

Taygeta




Notice: Nothing appearing in these pages is to be
construed as an endorsement by NASA. The information may be changed or
withdrawn at any time without notice. The author has obtained the information
from sources believed to be reliable, and has attempted to ensure accuracy,
but makes no guarantees or representations of any kind. Copying, using,
and distributing the table is authorized, provided it is kept intact, properly
attributed, and accompanied by this Notice. 






DEVELOPER

MISSION

DESCRIPTION

FURTHER INFORMATION
(note: remove blanks from email addresses given below)



Ball Aerospace (click on "Aerospace"
link)

Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE)

Star Scanner instrument & control software, using Harris RTX 2000
Forth microprocessor


�



Ball Aerospace 

Advanced X-Ray Astronomical Facility (AXAF)

Software to control the Science Instrument selection and focus mechanisms,
using Harris RTX 2010 Forth microprocessor


�



Ball Aerospace 

Advanced X-Ray Astronomical Facility (AXAF)

Software to operate precision CCD Aspect Camera, using Harris RTX 2010
Forth microprocessor


�



Ball Aerospace 

Earth Observing System (EOS)

Scanning mirror controller for the Thermal Imaging Radiometer (TIR),
using Harris RTX 2010 Forth microprocessor 


�



Ball Aerospace 

Midcourse Sensor Experiment (MSX) - SDIO

Star Tracker instrument & control software, using Harris RTX 2000
Forth microprocessor 


�



Ball Aerospace 

Military aircraft

Star Tracker instrument & control software, using Harris RTX 2000
Forth microprocessor 


�



Ball Aerospace 

Miniature Seeker Technology Integration (MSTI)

Star Tracker instrument & control software, using Harris RTX 2000
Forth microprocessor 


�



Ball Aerospace 

Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous (NEAR)

Star Tracker instrument & control software, using Harris RTX 2000
Forth microprocessor 


�



Ball Aerospace 

Shuttle

Star Tracker instrument & control software, using Harris RTX 2000
Forth microprocessor 


�



Ball Aerospace 

Submillimeter Wave Astronomy Satellite (SWAS)

Star Tracker instrument & control software, using Harris RTX 2000
Forth microprocessor 


�



Ball Aerospace 

X-ray Timing Explorer (XTE)

Star Tracker instrument & control software, using Harris RTX 2000
Forth microprocessor 


�



California Institute of Technology (Caltech)

Advance Composition Explorer (ACE)

Cosmic Ray Isotope Spectrometer (CRIS) instrument controller hardware
(RTX2010) and software in Forth

Walter Cook at wrc@ thor.srl.caltech.edu



California Institute of Technology (Caltech)

Advance Composition Explorer (ACE)

Solar IsotopeSpectrometer (SIS) instrument controller hardware (RTX2010)
and software in Forth

Walter Cook at wrc@ thor.srl.caltech.edu



Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics
Laboratory (JHU/APL) 

USAF DMSP

Magnetometer instrument control


�



JHU/APL

USAF DMSP

Special Sensor Ultraviolet Spectrographic Imager (SSUSI), 5 missions
over 15 years using Harris RTX 2010 Forth microprocessor 

�



JHU/APL

Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) satellite

ULEIS (Ultra Low Energy Isotope Spectrometer), using embedded Harris
RTX 2010 Forth microprocessor 


�



JHU/APL

CASSINI
spacecraft

Magnetospheric Imager (MIMI) using Harris RTX 2010 Forth microprocessor



�



JHU/APL

HILAT

Magnetometer instrument control 


�



JHU/APL

Hopkins Ultraviolet Telescope (HUT)

Instrument control, on-line data analysis, telemetry 


�



JHU/APL

MAGSAT

Attitude Control Processor 


�



JHU/APL

"Polar Bear" (Polar Beacon & Auroral Research Satellite)

Magnetometer instrument control 


�



JHU/APL

US Navy LONARS High precision navigation receiver using Loran-C

Real time data processing & sensor control software 


�



JHU/APL

Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous (NEAR)

Command & Telemetry Processor, 
Multi-Spectral Imaging System, 
Infrared Spectrograph and Magnetometer, 
X-ray/Gamma-ray Spectrometer, and 
Laser Rangefinder, all using the Harris RTX 2010RH Forth microprocessor



�



Los Alamos National Laboratory

Advanced Composition Explorer (ACE) satellite

Solar wind data processing unit, using Harris RTX 2010 Forth microprocessor



�



McDonnell Douglas

Shuttle - Electrophoresis Operations in Space (1986)

Pharmaceutical purification process control software 


Robert Wood at rwood@ mdc.com




McGill University

International Microgravity Laboratory (IML-1)
(Shuttle mission STS-42) 

Space Adaptation Syndrom Experiment management and data acquisition
for four out of seven life science experiments 


Luc Lefebvre at lefebvre@ medcor.mcgill.ca




NASA/GSFC

Compatibility Test Van (CTV)

Dual channel PCM simulator system software 


�



NASA/GSFC

Compatibility Test Van (CTV): Landsat, HST, GRO, COBE, UARS, etc.,
Wallops, Data Evaluation Lab

Programmable Data Formatter III system software 


�



NASA/GSFC

CRAF/CASSINI

MASSACQ Flight Instrument Test/Calibration System 


�



NASA/GSFC

Marine Optical Buoy (MOBY)

Command and data acquisition system written in Forth


Mark Yarbrough at yarbrough@ mlml.calstate.edu




NASA/GSFC

Massively Parallel Processor (MPP)

Image processing software


�



NASA/GSFC

NCC Mission Operations Support Area (MOSA)

ITR (Intelligent Transmitter/Receiver) -- Interface board for MOSA
(formerly Mini-NOCC) Front End


Thomas Sardella at Thomas.E.Sardella.1@ gsfc.nasa.gov




NASA/GSFC

Shuttle Solar Backscatter Ultra Violet (SSBUV)
ozone calibration instrument with 8 successful Shuttle bay flights

Small Payload Accommodation Module (SPAM) interface controller software
written in Forth


Bob Caffrey at Robert.T.Caffrey.1@ gsfc.nasa.gov




NASA/GSFC

Shuttle Solar Backscatter Ultra Violet (SSBUV)

Instrument Interface Electronics Module (IIEM) software written in
Forth


John T. (Tom) Riley at john.t.riley.1@ gsfc.nasa.gov




NASA/GSFC

Shuttle Ozone Limb Sounder Experiment (SOLSE)

A "Hitchhiker Junior", to fly summer '97 -- instrument controller
written in Forth



(ditto)





NASA/GSFC

Limb Ozone Retrieval Experiment (LORE)

A small independent instrument within SOLSE -- instrument controller
written in Forth



(ditto)





NASA/GSFC

Ultraviolet Imaging Telescope (UIT) on Space Shuttle Astro-2 mission

Dedicated Experiment Processor (DEP) written in Forth


Peter Chen at chen@ uit.gsfc.nasa.gov




NASA/GSFC

Small Spacecraft Technology Initiative (SSTI)
(Lewis Research Center/TRW)

Goddard Electronics Module (GEM) data acquisition processor using Harris
RTX-2010


Jay T. Miller at jay.t.miller.1@ gsfc.nasa.gov




NASA/GSFC

ACE (JHU/APL)

Spacecraft Loads & Acoustic Monitor (SLAM) simultaneous data acquisition
and downlink subsystem using Harris RTX-2010



(ditto)





NASA/GSFC

Wideband Transport Frame Formatter (WTFF)

Virtual channel processor & system controller for the Advanced
Orbiting Systems (AOS) Testbed using Harris RTX 2000 Forth microprocessor



Jose Bentancort at Jose@ tsi-telsys.com




NASA/JSC

Shuttle, IML-1

Krug Life Sciences Microgravity Vestibular Investigations 


�



NASA/JPL

Shuttle Imaging Radar (SIR-B)

Command & control software 


�



NASA

TOPEX

Portion of Ground Support Equipment software 


�



Orbital Sciences Corporation

ORBCOMM Experimental Package OXP-1 on Pegasus

Flight & experiment software 


�



Orbital Sciences Corporation

ORBCOMM Experimental Package OXP-1 on Pegasus

Flight & experiment software 


�



Orbital Sciences Corporation (formerly Fairchild Space & Defense)

USAF Multimission Modular Spacecraft (MMS)

Multiplex Data Bus Monitor/Recorder test equipment using Harris RTX2000
microprocessor and firmware written in Forth


Mark A. Mowen at markmowen@ fsd.com




Orbital Sciences Corporation

ORBCOMM-X

Telemetry, flight control support 


�



Orbital Sciences Corporation

USAF APEX

Data management and power control software 


�



Orbital Sciences Corporation

SeaStar

Sea WiFs data management and power control software 


�



Orbital Sciences Corporation/Hercules

Pegasus

Telemetry & flight control 


�



Radio Amateur Satellite Corp. (AMSAT-DL (Germany))

AMSAT OSCAR 10, OSCAR 13,
OSCAR 21, and (in development) Phase 3-D amateur radio satellites 

Integrated Housekeeping Unit (including navigation, attitude control,
telemetry and telecommand tracking, payload control, power management,
health & safety, and propulsion control) and Ground Support Equipment,
all using the Forth-like language IPS (Interpreter for Process Structures).
OSCAR 21 used the Harris RTX2000 microprocessor. 


�



Swedish Space Corp./JHU/APL

Freja 

Magnetometer experiment control 


Lawrence Zanetti at zanetti@ jhuapl.edu




University of California

Galileo

Magnetic Field Experiment instrument control


�



University of Wisconsin

Wisconsin Ultraviolet Photo-Polarimeter Experiment (WUPPE)


Instrument control 


�



US Navy

SPINSAT

Portion of ground support equipment software 


�



USSR 

Baikonur Cosmodrome 

Telemetry data analysis & retrieval workstations 


�



Vertex Communications Corporation

Satellite earthstation antenna systems

7210 Monopulse Antenna Control System on Motorola 68030 platform

sales@ vcsd.com



Last revised: 4 March 1998








Name

Mail
Code



Responsible management official

Sylvia Sheppard



588




Author 

James Rash at james.rash@ gsfc.nasa.gov



588





For reference purposes, this page is located at URL: 


http://groucho.gsfc.nasa.gov/forth 






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Amendment I, The US Constitution                                                                :-)






From potnoodle at fastnet.co.uk  Sat Mar 14 09:40:22 1998
From: potnoodle at fastnet.co.uk (simon)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:40:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ANSWERS
Message-ID: <199803141738.RAA22094@ns0.fast.net.uk>


have you got a hacker and if you have would you mind if you could send over
to me?
WE ARE DESIGNING A HACKING SYSTEM FOR WORLD WIDE USE AND WONDERED IF YOU
COULD HELP IN THE DESIGNING OF IT
IF SO PLEASE SEND AN E-MAIL TO US AND WE WILL SEND YOU SOME VALUABLE OTHER
HACKING SOFTWARE










From cutey-jared at mailcity.com  Sat Mar 14 10:37:22 1998
From: cutey-jared at mailcity.com (Jared)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:37:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: New Website is up!!
Message-ID: 


New Web page up at HTTP://WWW.INSTANTWEB.COM/~SALEM/

CHECK IT OUT!! 


THANKS!!


			-CypherPunks 



Get your FREE, private e-mail
account at http://www.mailcity.com





From jya at pipeline.com  Sat Mar 14 15:50:49 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:50:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: time to export RSA and demand to be prosecuted? (Re: Cypherpunks Crypto_Legal Assistance Fund)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980314235201.00690500@pop.pipeline.com>


Declan wrote:

>If anyone chooses to try this act of civil disobedience, let me know and
>I'll write about it. But be warned: the Department of Commerce has
>approximately 60 special agents who enforce violations of export rules.
>These are federal police officers, stationed in field office around the
>U.S., with badges and arrest power, trained at FLETC in Georgia. They don't
>have a sense of humor about these things.

Well, yes, that's what BXA flaunts, but I wonder if the encryption regs
are a high priority compared to the cases which are actually pursued
which deal with truly threatening technology that every congressperson
loves to fearfully hate. Yapping Chihuahua crypto is not up there yet, 
I suspect.

True, there's a batch of agents being trained to work specifically on
encryption, and with the total of crypto exports now exceeding $half a 
billion, it may be cost and politically effective to set an example by 
pounding one or two neo-crypto-Zimmermanns, especially as the
year's hearings rumble, troll and slumber.

Still, Adam's signature RSA-taunt has been on our Web site for months,
terminating each of his exemplary stream of messages on low perfidy 
in high places, to no effect on BXA's eagle eyeball.

Adam's 3-liner was also once part of Peter Junger's legal filings 
 (DoJ downloaded the evidence) until we 
were ordered to excise the tiny terrible Perl so that Peter's noble 
bite of the hand of god would be clearly his stiletto fangs and not 
confused with Sir Adam Bulldog's ass ripper.

Now, Declan, what would a crypto-miscreant need to do to actually get 
BXA's fierce kennel of crypto bloodhounds' attention, to make it truly
worth everybody's headline read, money, politics, talents and teeth?

By Tuesday, when Cindy Cohn sticks her head in the beast's mouth.






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Sat Mar 14 17:29:51 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:29:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Remove me.
Message-ID: 


Declan wrote:

>If anyone chooses to try this act of civil disobedience, let me know and
>I'll write about it. But be warned: the Department of Commerce has
>approximately 60 special agents who enforce violations of export rules.
>These are federal police officers, stationed in field office around the
>U.S., with badges and arrest power, trained at FLETC in Georgia. They don't
>have a sense of humor about these things.

Well, yes, that's what BXA flaunts, but I wonder if the encryption regs
are a high priority compared to the cases which are actually pursued
which deal with truly threatening technology that every congressperson
loves to fearfully hate. Yapping Chihuahua crypto is not up there yet, 
I suspect.

True, there's a batch of agents being trained to work specifically on
encryption, and with the total of crypto exports now exceeding $half a 
billion, it may be cost and politically effective to set an example by 
pounding one or two neo-crypto-Zimmermanns, especially as the
year's hearings rumble, troll and slumber.

Still, Adam's signature RSA-taunt has been on our Web site for months,
terminating each of his exemplary stream of messages on low perfidy 
in high places, to no effect on BXA's eagle eyeball.

Adam's 3-liner was also once part of Peter Junger's legal filings 
 (DoJ downloaded the evidence) until we 
were ordered to excise the tiny terrible Perl so that Peter's noble 
bite of the hand of god would be clearly his stiletto fangs and not 
confused with Sir Adam Bulldog's ass ripper.

Now, Declan, what would a crypto-miscreant need to do to actually get 
BXA's fierce kennel of crypto bloodhounds' attention, to make it truly
worth everybody's headline read, money, politics, talents and teeth?

By Tuesday, when Cindy Cohn sticks her head in the beast's mouth.





From ualdv8 at sk.sympatico.ca  Sat Mar 14 17:33:20 1998
From: ualdv8 at sk.sympatico.ca (Six)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:33:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: In Your EAR...
Message-ID: <350B306B.1B7C@sk.sympatico.ca>


In Your EAR, Shit-For-Brains
----------------------------
  In continuation of a tradition begun on Dec. 7, 2041 A.D.
EARMonger InterpretPrizes would like to extend an invitation 
to those who wish to participate in a clear violation of the
U.S. EAR regulations of your current time period.
  The StarShip CowBoy, descended from the lineage of the
Author, would be more than happy to ensure that your violation
of EAR regulations extends not only across the physical and
political geographically-based space continuum, but also across
a range of the time continuum which begins before EAR was an
unborn seed in the mind of The RAT, continues throughout its
journey from the mind, through the digestive system, its
physical manifestation as droppings from The RAT, its further
evolution through the reproductive systems of various insects
and vermin, right up to the time that The RatFucker returned
it to its rightful place, placing it back in the mind of
The Rat, as a seed placed in The Rat's EAR.

"The more things change, the more they remain insane..."
~ The Author

  To participate, one only need to send the following:

print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo
"16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<>
)]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0
    To: 
        ravage at ssz.com
    CC: 
        cypherpunks at cyberpass.net, frissell at panix.com



Jim Choate  writes:
> Perhaps it's time, in regards testing crypto law, to do exactly what
> Tim May proposes - premeditated actions intended to force either a
> clear refusal to prosecute on the part of the government or else a
> clear abstinance on their part to prosecute.
> 
> It's obvious that no individual has the legal where withal who is
> also willing to do this. 

Some of the people on the list are lawyers, perhaps they could do it
and represent themselves, or represent others.  Duncan Frissell has
some opinions on this I think.  If I recall his previous statements on
this topic have included that Phil Zimmermann ought to hire a troupe
of dancing elephants to make a noise and force the Feds to prosecute.
(Duncan considered the Feds would loose).

On a practical matter of what to export... may I suggest exporting
this:

print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo
"16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<>
)]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0 http://www.dcs.ex.ac.uk/~aba/rsa/

print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo
"16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<>
)]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0
        To: 
           Adam Back 
       CC: 
           cypherpunks at cyberpass.net
References: 
           1 , 2


At 21:27 +0000 3/14/98, Adam Back wrote:
>Peter Junger got an official decision from the US commerce department
>that this was not exportable under the EAR regulations.
>
>Do we have a volunteer?

If anyone chooses to try this act of civil disobedience, let me know and
I'll write about it. But be warned: the Department of Commerce has
approximately 60 special agents who enforce violations of export rules.
These are federal police officers, stationed in field office around the
U.S., with badges and arrest power, trained at FLETC in Georgia. They
don't
have a sense of humor about these things.

-Declan


FLETC / Georgia
Department of Commerce






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Sat Mar 14 18:18:37 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:18:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: A little Paranoid, PUNKS?
Message-ID: <758c3e85.350b3a58@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-14 21:03:56 EST, ualdv8 at sk.sympatico.ca writes:

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From tm at dev.null  Sat Mar 14 18:22:48 1998
From: tm at dev.null (TruthMonger)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:22:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: time to export RSA and demand to be prosecuted? (Re:Cypherpunks Crypto_Legal Assistance Fund)
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980314235201.00690500@pop.pipeline.com>
Message-ID: <350B53E8.B54@dev.null>


John Young wrote:
> Now, Declan, what would a crypto-miscreant need to do to actually get
> BXA's fierce kennel of crypto bloodhounds' attention, to make it truly
> worth everybody's headline read, money, politics, talents and teeth?

What we are talking about, in terms of 3-lines of legally 
unexportable code, is 'Dick Wars'.
If one were to make certain that a wide range of members of Congress,
Senators, BXA and Department of Commerce officials, etc., were to
receive an email with a Subject: "I'm Pissing In Your EAR" and a
message body providing details of their crypto-miscreantizing, then
the inappropriate authorities would be hard-pressed to ignore the
stream (pardon the pun) of ridicule that would result in their
tyrannical, unconstitutional bluff being called.

Richard Monger
Nuclear Pississist and Master Baiter







From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sat Mar 14 19:38:57 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:38:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: A little Paranoid, PUNKS?
Message-ID: <199803150338.EAA10482@basement.replay.com>


StanSquncr wrote:
> Subject: A little Paranoid, PUNKS?

Dimitri? Is that you, Dimitri?







From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sat Mar 14 19:39:34 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:39:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <199803150339.EAA10507@basement.replay.com>


Information Security wrote:
>    >   > Guy --
>    >   > First you and Vulis flame each others, and then
>    >   > you start claiming that VZNuri's postings are really Vulis,
>    >   > and now you're claiming that postings from Toto's machines
>    >   > are really Vulis.  Perhaps *you're* really Vulis?
>    >
>    >     Bill Frantz is *really* Vulis.
>    >     Bill Stewart is *really* Toto.
> 
> What are you trying to say?
> 
> A point in every direction is like a point in no direction at all?

Sometime ago there was a post to the list which made more sense than
all of the other finger-pointing posts, combined, which have proclaimed
this-or-that entity to be a tentacle/testicle of one or another of the
list members.
The post was by someone claiming to be the "only" real member of the
cypherpunks list. It told how he had, being a lonely loser whom no one
would communicate with, started the cypherpunks mailing list and posted
to it under several personas, hoping to generate interest and have other
people join the list. It seems that his efforts began to escalate and
take on a life of their own, and he eventually had developed all of the
personas that currently existed on the list, and that no one else had
ever actually joined the list, at all.

"In reality, we talk only to ourselves, but sometimes we talk loud
 enough that others may hear us."
        Kahil Gibran, The Prophet

2-2






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sat Mar 14 19:55:30 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:55:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: In Your EAR...
Message-ID: <199803150355.EAA12419@basement.replay.com>


Other possible destinations can be found at:
http://cgibin.erols.com/ivsw/presspg1.htm

StarShip CowBoy wrote:
>   Suggestions for final destinations for your illegal and
> prosecutable communication:
> ~To yourself, at both U.S. and foreign email server sites.
> ~To your immediate family members at U.S. and foreign email
>   server sites.
> ~To foreign embassies of U.S. allies.
> ~To foreign embassies of U.S. enemies.
> ~To U.S. embassies in foreign countries.
> ~To foreign government email addresses, with instructions
>   for delivery to individuals presently incarcerated for
>   terrorist crimes.
> ~To anywhere you damn well please...







From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sat Mar 14 19:58:16 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:58:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: In Your EAR...
Message-ID: <199803150358.EAA12782@basement.replay.com>


Six wrote:
> 
>   Suggestions for final destinations for your illegal and
> prosecutable communication:


Full list at: http://www.bxa.doc.gov/Text/1_denial.txt


                           U.S. DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE
                         BUREAU OF EXPORT ADMINISTRATION
                   Table of Denial Orders Currently in Effect

                           (Revised March 6, 1998) 

TABLE OF DENIAL ORDERS CURRENTLY IN EFFECT

(a) Contents

This table lists orders that currently deny export privileges in
whole or in part.  Orders are published in full in the Federal Register
as
cited in the column entitled, "Federal Register Citation."

(2) Publication of orders.  New or amended denial orders are published
in the
Federal Register as they are issued, and their issuance announced in
Export
Administration Bulletins.  Although  diligent efforts have been made to
ensure
the accuracy of the information in this table, the Federal Register is
the
authoritative source for denial orders.  

(3) Table: This table is updated as new orders are promulgated and
existing
orders expire.  The table does not appear in the Code of Federal
Regulations. 
Paper copies of this table are available from:

Office of Export Services
P.O. Box 273
Washington, D.C. 20044

(b) Effect of Denial Orders

Section 787.12 of the Export Administration Regulations (15 CFR 787.12)
makes
it unlawful, without prior specific authorization from Export
Administration,
for any person to:

(1) Apply for, obtain, or use any license, Shipper's Export Declaration,
bill
of lading, or other export control document relating to an export or
reexport
of commodities or technical data by, to, or for another person then
subject to
an order revoking or denying his export privileges or then excluded from
practice before the Bureau of Export Administration, or

(2) Order, buy, receive, use, sell, deliver, store, dispose of,
forward, transport, finance, or otherwise service or participate;

(i) in any transaction which may involve any commodity or
technical data exported or to be exported from the United States.

(ii) in any reexport thereof, or

(iii) in any other transaction which is subject to the Export
Administration Regulations, if the person denied export privileges may
obtain any benefit from or have any interest in, directly or indirectly,
any of these transactions.

(3) A denial order applies not only to the persons or
firms named in the order, but may also, after notice and opportunity for
comment, be made applicable to other persons with whom the respondent(s)
may then or thereafter be related by ownership, control, position of
responsibility, affiliation, or other connection in the conduct of trade
or related services. (See Section 788.3(b) of the Export Administration
Regulations (15 CRF 788.3(b))).

(4)  Some denial orders have different restrictions than those noted
above.
Summaries of the export privileges that each order denies are printed in
the column headed "Export Privileges Affected".  The exact scope of the
denial is set forth in the applicable Federal Register Notice(s).

If you have questions about the scope of a particular denial order, you
may
contact the Office of Enforcement Support, U.S. Department of Commerce,
Room
4065, 14th Street and Constitution Ave., N.W., Washington, D.C. 20230, 
Telephone (202) 482 4255, Fax (202) 482-0971.
 
                                                                 Federal
Name and Address   Effective   Expiration    Export Privileges  
Register
                     Date         Date          Affected        
Citation


Abelairas,          6/5/95      6/5/05        General           60 F.R.
31140
Amancio J.                                    and
validated                   
a.k.a. Gonzalez,                              licenses, all 
Jesus                                         commodities,
6486 S.W. 9th                                 any destination,
Miami, Florida                                also exports
33144                                         to Canada
and d.b.a
Estrella Del 
Caribe Import 
and Export Inc.,
5529 S.W. 9th Street
Miami, Florida 
33144


Ace, Ian            8/8/97     8/8/17        Standard         62 F.R.
43503    
                                                                
8/14/97   
with addresses at

4 Mimosa Way
Pinelands
South Africa

A. Rosenthal (PTY) Ltd.
P.O. Box 3721
13 Loop Street
Cape Town
South Africa

  and

A. Rosenthal (PTY) Ltd.
P.O. Box 44198
65 7th Street
Denmyr Building
2104 Linden
South Africa

ADT Analog and       9/10/81    Indefinite   General            46 F.R.
46154
 Digital Technik,                            and validated        
9/17/81
8019 Niederseeon,                            licenses, all       46 F.R.
19290
 House 21,                                   commodities,         
3/30/81
Federal Republic                             any destination,
 of Germany                                  also exports
                                             to Canada.
                                             See: Bruchausen,
                                                  Werner J.



Aeriotechnics         4/11/83  5/31/01       General            47 F.R.
18403
 (Pte) Ltd.                                  and validated        
4/29/82
 and Claypro                                 licenses, all      48 F.R.
16527
 (Pte) Ltd.                                  commodities,         
4/18/83
Suite 606,                                   any destination,
 6th Floor                                   also exports
Colombo Court                                to Canada.
and 4E                                       See: Kwik, Richard
 Dayson Road
Singapore
Agnese, Andree         7/11/85 Indefinite    General            50 F.R.
29244
22 Rue du                                    and validated        
7/18/85
 11 November 1918                            licenses, all
Pantin                                       commodities,
France                                       any destination,
                                             also exports
                                             to Canada.
                                             See: Agnese,
                                                  Rodolphe

Agnese, Helene        7/11/85  Indefinite    General            50 F.R.
29245
37 Rue de                                    and validated        
7/18/85
 la Quintinie                                licenses, all
Paris 75015                                  commodities,
France                                       any destination,
                                             also exports
                                             to Canada.
                                             See: Agnese,
                                                  Rodolphe

Agnese, Rodolphe      3/15/90  3/15/00       General            55 F.R.
10641
 individually and                            and validated        
3/22/90
 d/b/a Development                           licenses, all
 Engineering                                 commodities,
 and Electronics                             any destination,
37 Rue de                                    also exports
 la Quintinie                                to Canada.
75010 Paris
France

Agnese, Saba          7/11/85  Indefinite    General            50 F.R.
29244
 a/k/a Saba Ambaye                           and validated        
7/18/85
37 Rue de                                    licenses, all
 la Quintinie                                commodities,
Paris 75015                                  any destination,
France                                       also exports
                                             to Canada.
                                             See: Agnese,
                                                  Rodolphe


Alex Goh              9/10/93  9/10/13       See: Goh,          58 F.R.
48821
                                                  Sian Lake       
9/20/93

Ali Reza              11/9/93  7/26/99       General            58 F.R.
60842
 Foyuzi Yousefi                              and validated        
11/18/93
P.O. Box 1341                                licenses, all
 and                                         commodities,
38 Firouzkh                                  any destination,
Tajresh,                                     also exports
Tehran, Iran                                 to Canada.


Alkadi, Essam         2/20/98   2/20/01      Standard            63 F.R.
10188
P.O. Box 201                                                       
3/4/98
Dammam 31411
Saudi Arabia

Al-Kadi. Essam       2/20/98   2/20/01       Standard            63 F.R.
10188 
P.O. Box 201                                                        
3/4/98
Dammam 31411
Saudi Arabia

 

Almori, Robert        10/8/87  Indefinite    General            52 F.R.
38495
80-82 Rue                                    and validated        
10/16/87
 Saint Dominique                             licenses, all
Paris 7, France                              commodities,
                                             any destination,
                                             also exports
                                             to Canada.

Ambaye, Saba          7/11/85  Indefinite    General            50 F.R.
29244
a/k/a Saba Agnese                            and validated        
7/18/85
37 Rue de                                    licenses, all
 la Quintinie                                commodities,
Paris 75015,                                 any destination,
 France                                      also exports
                                             to Canada.
                                             See: Agnese,
                                                  Rodolphe


American              4/23/90  4/23/05       See: Tai,          55 F.R.
18147
Semiconductor,                                    Philip T.J.     
5/1/90
Inc.
Los Gatos,
California

American              6/26/95  6/26/05       General            60 F.R.
34504
Technology Trading                           and validated         
7/3/95
Group                                        licenses, all
44 Montgomery St.                            commodities,
Suite 500                                    any destination,
San Francisco,                               also exports
California  94104                            to Canada.   


Amiri, Reza           9/25/93  9/25/13       General            56 F.R.
58552
Panjtan                                      and validated      11/20/91
and
a/k/a                                        licenses, all      57 F.R.
21057
 Amiri, Ray                                  commodities,       5/18/92
and
individually                                 any destination,   57 F.R.
24242
 with an address                             also exports       6/8/92
and
 at:                                         to Canada.         57 F.R.
57155
13165                                                           12/3/92
and
 E. Essex Dr.                                                   58 F.R.
31361
Cerritos,                                                       6/2/93
and
 California                                                     58 F.R.
51610
and d/b/a                                                       10/4/93
Ray Amiri                                                       60 F.R.
8221
Computer                                                        
2/13/95    
Consultants
 now a/k/a CCC Inc.
with addresses at:
and
Heinrichstrasse
 9-11
D-6000 Frankfurt 1,
 Germany
and
c/o Pars Hafezeh
Mirdamad Avenue,
Mohsseni Square,
Farnaz Street
Tehran, Iran

Annexfield, Ltd.      12/14/84 Indefinite    General            49 F.R.
49666
152 Budbrooke Rd.                            and validated        
12/21/84
Warwick,                                     licenses, all
 United Kingdom                              commodities,
                                             any destination,
                                             also exports to
                                             Canada
                                             See: O'Hara,
                                                  Daniel J.

Appelberg             6/19/89  6/19/04       See: Appelberg,    54 F.R.
26816
 Financial                                        Lennart         
6/26/89
 Services
Saltajobaden,
 Sweden

Appelberg,            6/19/89  6/19/04       General            54 F.R.
26816
 Lennart (Lennert)                           and validated        
6/26/89
 individually                                licenses, all
 and d/b/a                                   commodities,
Appelberg                                    any destination,
 Financial                                   also exports
 Services                                    to Canada.
Filip
 Manssonsvag 1,
S-13300
 Saltajobaden, Sweden

Applied Systems       12/14/84  Indefinite   General            49 F.R.
49666
 Methods                                     and validated        
12/21/84
and Technology                               licenses, all
 (ASMAT)                                     commodities,
Rochford, Essex                              any destination,
United Kingdom                               also exports
                                             to Canada.
                                             See: O'Hara,
                                                  Daniel J.



ATC Lab               12/5/89  12/5/99       See: Schmidt,      54 F.R.
51048
 Electronic                                       A.S.S.          
12/12/89
 Service,
Segelflygsgatan 35,
122 52 Enskede,
 Sweden

Attia, Ben H.          10/30/97  10/30/12    
Standard                       
 aka Attia, Adnan
1614 Nine Island Boulevard
Miami Beach, FL 33134
  dba General Polyphase, Inc.
15 rue de Kamel Attaturk
1001 Tunis, Tunisia

Avomair Ltd.          12/14/84 Indefinite    General            49 F.R.
49666
a/k/a                                        and validated        
12/21/84
 Microcircuit                                licenses, all
 Technology                                  commodities,
3 Featherby Way                              any destination,
Purdey's                                     also exports
 Industrial                                  to Canada.
 Estate                                      See: O'Hara,
Rochford,                                         Daniel J.
 Essex,
 United Kingdom

Barbarits, Bruno      5/3/88   5/3/08        General            53 F.R.
16441
 individually                                and validated        
5/9/88
 and d/b/a                                   licenses, all
Cosmotrans AG                                commodities,
 a/k/a                                       any destination,
 Cosmotrans Ltd.                             also exports
P.O. Box 30978                               to Canada
Fracht West                                  See: Wirth, Hans
 Building
Office 274
 CH 8058
Zurich,
 Switzerland
 and
Cosmotrans
 USA, Inc.
JFK International
 Airport
Jamaica, New York


Behrmann,             1/23/92  5/10/00       General            57 F.R.
3613
 Symone Morris                               and validated        
1/30/92
11 Goldfinch Ct.,                            licenses, all
 #505                                        commodities,
Toronto, Canada                              any destination,
                                             also exports
                                             to Canada.

Belgium               3/5/91   3/5/01        See: Sanders,      56 F.R.
10537
 Trading                                          Marcel          
3/13/91
 Company
Lokeren S.A.
Sijpstratt 6 9101
Lokeren, Belgium



Berg, H. Leonard      5/12/94  1/29/02       General            59 F.R.
27531
750 Kappock Street                           and validated        
5/27/94
Apartment 103                                licenses, all
Bronx, New York                              commodities,
 and                                         any destination,
at the time the                              also exports 
order was issued                             to Canada
incarcerated at:
U.S. Bureau
 of Prisons
Low Security
 Correctional
 Institution-Allenwood
White Deer, Pennsylvania


Beta Computer        6/13/95   6/13/05      General             60 F.R.
32300
Trading Pte.                                and validated         
6/21/95
Limited                                     licenses, all
One Rockor Canal                            commodities,
Road                                        any destination,
Sim Lin Square                              also exports
# 06-67                                     to Canada
Singapore, 0718                             (See Waldemar,
                                            Znamierowski
                                            and
                                            Prandecki, Paul     


Bin Wu                9/7/93   9/7/03       See: Wu, Bin       59 F.R.
47302
Virginia Beach,                                                   
9/15/94
 Virginia

    
Bose, Sidhartha       6/16/95 6/16/05        General           60 F.R.
32940 
a/k/a/ Dr. Bose                              and validated        
6/26/95
individually and                             licenses, all
d.b.a.                                       commodities,
Perfect Technologies,                        any destination,
LTD.                                         also exports 
212 Golders                                  to Canada   
Green Road
London, NW11 9BY
England
and
Ragunathan,
Thirunavkkarasu
individually and 
d.b.a.
W.K. Agencies
and as
Computer Focus
Services PTE. LTD.
with an address at
18 Jalan Kechil, #06-22
Eastern Mansion
Singapore 1543


Bose, Dr.               6/16/95  6/16/05     See Bose, Sidhartha  60
F.R. 32940
                                                                     
6/26/95
 
Brandstetter, Herbert 6/15/87  6/15/07       General            52 F.R.
23325
 c/o Scan Trade                              and validated        
6/19/87
 Handelsgesellschaft                         licenses, all
 m.b.H.                                      commodities,
Wiednerhauptstrasse 135                      any destination,
A-1050 Vienna,                               also exports
 Austria                                     to Canada.

Brero, Mario          6/26/95  6/26/00       General            60 F.R.
34505
Apt. 87                                      and validated         
7/3/95 
Route de Bougy 1170                          licenses, all
Aubonne, Vaud                                commodities,
Switzerland                                  any destination,
                                             also exports
                                             to Canada.

Brownhill, David      9/11/95  10/6/03       General            60 F.R.
48961
13 Robin Road                                and validated        
9/21/95
Northcliff Ext. 12                           licenses, all
Johannesburg, South Africa                   commodities,
                                             any destination,
                                             also exports
                                             to Canada.

Bruchhausen,          3/24/81  Indefinite    General            46 F.R.
19290
 Werner J.                                   and validated        
3/30/81
D8019 Niederseeon                            licenses, all
Federal Republic                             commodities,
 of Germany                                  any destination,
                                             also exports
                                             to Canada.

Burger, Peter         3/25/93  3/25/13       General            58 F.R.
18368
 individually  and                           and validated        
4/9/93
 as agent for                                licenses, all
Helling KG                                   commodities,
54 Sylvesteralle                             any destination,
 22000                                       also exports
Hamburg 54,                                  to Canada.
 Germany
 and
Int'l. Business
 Connections
11 rue Aldringen
1-2960 Luxembourg,
 Luxembourg

Butcher, Brian A.     3/21/86  3/21/06       General            51 F.R.
10418
a/k/a                                        and validated        
3/26/86
Brian A.                                     licenses, all
 Moller-Butcher                              commodities,
 c/o Contel Equipment                        any destination,
5 Bear Court                                 also exports
Danshill East                                to Canada.
 Industrial Estate                           See: M.E.S.
Basingstroke,                                    Equipment, Inc.
 Hampshire
England

Caesar                12/19/90 12/19/05      General            55 F.R.
53016
 Electronics, Inc.                           and validated        
12/26/90
40C, Corbin Avenue                           licenses, all
Bayshore, New York                           commodities,
                                             any destination,
                                             also exports
                                             to Canada


CAE Services          5/29/91  5/29/11       General            56 F.R.
25654
Lowengasse 2A                                and validated        
6/5/91
A-1030 Vienna,                               licenses, all
 Austria                                     commodities,
                                             any destination,
                                             also exports
                                             to Canada.
                                             See: Kovar,
                                                  Alexander

Callaghan,            1/23/92  7/20/00       General            57 F.R.
3614
 Maryanne E.                                 and validated        
1/30/92
39 Congress St.                              licenses, all
Warwick, Rhode Island                        commodities,
                                             any destination,
                                             also exports
                                             to Canada.

Carlson, Paul C.      3/5/85   3/5/00        General            50 F.R.
9699
P.O. Box 3125                                and validated        
3/11/85
Brockton,                                    licenses, all      50 F.R.
18281
 Massachusetts                               commodities,         
4/30/85
 and                                         any destination,
87 Springhill Avenue                         also exports
Bridgewater,                                 to Canada.
 Massachusetts                               See: Contel
                                                  Equipment

CCC Inc.              9/25/93  9/25/13       See: Amiri, Reza   57 F.R.
57155
Frankfurt, Germany                                               
12/3/92 and
 c/o Pars                                                       58 F.R.
31361
 Hafezeh                                                          
6/2/93 and
Tehran, Iran                                                    58 F.R.
51610
                                                                 
10/4/93 and
                                                                60 F.R.
8221
                                                                   
2/13/95

Chan, Anthony         12/6/84  Indefinite    General            49 F.R.
48591
a/k/a                                        and validated        
12/13/84
Chan Sum-Tai Anthony                         licenses, all
c/o Shuttle                                  commodities,
 Long Co., Ltd.                              any destination,
Ka Wah Bank                                  also exports
 Center Building                             to Canada.
19th Floor                                   See: Wysh Data
232 Des Voeux Road                                Systems, Ltd.
Hong Kong Central

Chan Sum-Tai Anthony  12/6/84  Indefinite    See: Wysh Data     49 F.R.
48591
a/k/a                                             Systems, Ltd.   
12/13/84
 Anthony Chan
 c/o Shuttle
 Long Co. Ltd.
Ka Wah Bank
 Center Building
19th Floor
235 Des Voeux Road
Hong Kong Central

Chemco                8/7/89   8/26/98       See: Walaschek,    54 F.R.
8582
Seigburger                                        Peter;          
3/1/89
 Strasse 223                                      Colimex;      54 F.R.
33253
5000 Cologne 21,                                  Far-Trade      8/14/89
and
Federal Republic                                  Pharma-       56 F.R.
57875
 of Germany                                       Vertrieb        
11/14/91
                                                  GmbH


Chua Tok Peng         9/10/93  9/10/13       See: Tok Peng      58 F.R.
48821
                                                  Chua            
9/20/93






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Sat Mar 14 20:11:14 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:11:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <49796d70.350b549b@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-14 23:01:01 EST, nobody at REPLAY.COM writes:

<< Sometime ago there was a post to the list which made more sense than
 all of the other finger-pointing posts, combined, which have proclaimed
 this-or-that entity to be a tentacle/testicle of one or another of the
 list members.
 The post was by someone claiming to be the "only" real member of the
 cypherpunks list. >>

Who was it, a "nobody?"  :-)






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Sat Mar 14 20:24:29 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:24:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Read about a REAL "Punk!"
Message-ID: <458a4c61.350b57d6@aol.com>


Absolute Proof - Rush is a Liar!


First let's define 'liar' (from pages 670-671 of 'Merriam Webster's Collegiate
Dictionary, 10th
Edition')

"Liar - one that tells lies"

That was easy, now it's a little more confusing, because of the number of
definitions (4). The first
two I will leave out, as they pertain to how you might 'lie' down, or where a
golf ball may 'lie'. The
3rd is the verb, and is inapplicable. I will use the 4th definition, the noun.

(4) "Lie (noun)- 1: a: an assertion of something known or believed by the
speaker to be untrue
with intent to deceive b: an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may
not be believed true
by the speaker 2: something that misleads or deceives 3: a charge of lying"

By combining the two definitions,

(4:1:a) 'Liar - one that tells assertions of somethings known or believed by
the speaker to be
untrue with intent to deceive'
(4:1:b) 'Liar - one that tells untrue or inaccurate statements that may or may
not be believed true
by the speaker'
(4:2) 'Liar - one that tells somethings that mislead or deceive'
(4:3) 'Liar - one that tells charges of lying'

I think that regular readers will now concede that subsense (4:1:b) proves
that his many 'errors'
can be classified as lies, and (4:2) certainly fits Rush! But for the sake of
proof, I will now
document more than one lie, with complete disreguard as to whether Rush knew
they were lies at
the time he said them, to prove it by subsense (4:1:b).

These examples from FAIR (Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting). Please e-mail
FAIR (at
fair-report at fair.org - it will be returned via e-mail) for the complete FAIR
report on Rush
Limbaugh, so you can see how Limbaugh responds to FAIR's reports of his lies
(Limbaugh's
so-called response (that he lauded so loudly (at the time)) is included also,
as well as FAIR's
counter-response). 


LIMBAUGH: On California contractor C.C. Myers completing repairs 74 days early
on the
earthquake-damaged Santa Monica Freeway: "There was one key element that made
this
happen. One key thing: The governor of California declared the [freeway] a
disaster area and by
so doing eliminated the need for competitive bids.... Government got the hell
out of the way." (TV
show, 4/13/94) "They gave this guy [Myers] the job without having to go
through the
rigmarole...of giving 25 percent of the job to a minority-owned business and
25 percent to a
woman." (TV show, 4/15/94)

REALITY: There was competitive bidding: Myers beat four other contractors for
the job.
Affirmative action rules applied: At least 40 percent of the subcontracts went
to minority or
women-owned firms. Far from getting out of the way, dozens of state employees
were on the job
24 hours a day. Furthermore, the federal government picked up the tab for the
whole job (L.A.
Times, 5/1/94).


LIMBAUGH: "There's no such thing as an implied contract." (Radio show, quoted
in FRQ,
Spring/93)

REALITY: Every first year law student knows there is.


LIMBAUGH: "Ladies and gentlemen, we now know why there is this institutional
opposition to
low tax rates in the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. It's because [low
tax rates] are biblical
in nature and in root. When you can trace the lowering of tax rates on grain
from 90 percent to 20
percent giving seven fat years during the days of Pharaoh in Egypt, why then
you are tracing the
roots of lower taxes and rising prosperity to religion.... You can trace
individual prosperity,
economic growth back to the Bible, the Old Testament. Isn't it amazing?"
(Radio show, 6/28/93)

REALITY: Amazingly wrong. Genesis 41 is about the wisdom of INSTITUTING taxes,
not
cutting them. After Pharaoh had a dream that prophesied seven fat years to be
followed by seven
lean years, Joseph advised him to "appoint officers over the land, and take up
the fifth part of the
land of Egypt in the seven plenteous years...and lay up corn under the hands
of Pharaoh." In
other words, a 20 percent tax on the grain harvest would put aside food for
use during the famine.
Pharaoh took Joseph's advice, and Egypt avoided hunger during the famine.


LIMBAUGH: "It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive, the same with
cigarettes causing
emphysema [and other diseases]." (Radio show, 4/29/94)

REALITY: Nicotine's addictiveness has been reported in medical literature
since the turn of the
century. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop's 1988 report on nicotine addiction
left no doubts on
the subject; "Today the scientific base linking smoking to a number of chronic
diseases is
overwhelming, with a total of 50,000 studies from dozens of countries," states
Encyclopedia
Britannica's 1987 "Medical and Health Annual."


LIMBAUGH: "Most Canadian physicians who are themselves in need of surgery, for
example,
scurry across the border to get it done right: the American way. They have
found, through
experience, that state medical care is too expensive..." (Told You So, p. 153)

REALITY: "Mr. Limbaugh's claim simply isn't true," says Dr. Hugh Scully, chair
of the
Canadian Medical Association's Council on Healing & Finance. "The vast
majority of Canadians,
including physicians, receive their care here in Canada. Those few Canadians
who receive health
care in the U.S. most often do because they have winter homes in the
States--like Arizona and
Florida -- and have emergent health problems there." Medical care in Canada is
hardly "too
expensive"; it's provided free and covered by taxes.


LIMBAUGH: "There are more American Indians alive today than there were when
Columbus
arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of
genocide?" (Told You So,
p. 68)

REALITY: According to Carl Shaw of the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs,
estimates of the
pre-Columbus population of what later became the United States range from 5
million to 15
million. Native populations in the late 19th century fell to 250,000, due in
part to genocidal
policies. Today the U.S.'s Native American population is about 2 million.


LIMBAUGH: "Women were doing quite well in this country before feminism came
along."
(Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

REALITY: Before feminism, women couldn't even vote. 


LIMBAUGH: "Anita Hill followed Clarence Thomas everywhere. Wherever he went,
she wanted
to be right by his side, she wanted to work with him, she wanted to continue
to date him.... There
were no other accusers who came forth after Anita Hill did and said, 'Yeah,
Clarence Thomas, he
harassed me, too.' There was none of that." (TV show, 5/4/94)

REALITY: Hill could not have continued to date Thomas, since they never dated.
Two other
women, Sukari Hardnett and Angela Wright, came forth in the Thomas case with
similar charges. 


LIMBAUGH: On Whitewater: "I don't think the New York Times has run a story on
this yet. I
mean, we haven't done a thorough search, but I--there has not been a big one,
front-page story,
about this one that we can recall. So this has yet to create or get up to its
full speed--if it weren't
for us and the Wall Street Journal and the American Spectator, this would be
one of the biggest
and most well kept secrets going on in American politics today." (TV show,
2/17/94)

REALITY: The New York Times BROKE the Whitewater story on March 8, 1992, in a
front-page story by Jeff Gerth that included much of the key information known
today. The
investigative article ran over 1700 words.


LIMBAUGH: Quotes President James Madison: "We have staked the future...upon
the capacity
of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain
ourselves according to
the Ten Commandments of God." (Told You So, p. 73)

REALITY: "We didn't find anything in our files remotely like the sentiment
expressed in the
extract you sent to us," David B. Mattern, the associate editor of The Madison
Papers, told the
Kansas City Star (1/16/94). "In addition, the idea is entirely inconsistent
with everything we know
about Madison's views on religion and government." 


LIMBAUGH: "And it was only 4,000 votes that--had they gone another way in
Chicago--Richard
Nixon would have been elected in 1960." (TV show, 4/28/94)

REALITY: Kennedy won the 1960 election with 303 electoral votes to 219 for
Nixon. Without
Illinois' 27 electoral votes, Kennedy would still have won, 276-246.


LIMBAUGH: On Iran-contra special prosecutor Lawrence Walsh: "This Walsh story
basically
is, we just spent seven years and $40 million looking for any criminal
activity on the part of
anybody in the Reagan administration, and guess what? We couldn't find any.
These guys didn't
do anything, but we wish they had so that we could nail them. So instead,
we're just going to say,
'Gosh, these are rotten guys.' They have absolutely no evidence. There is not
one indictment.
There is not one charge." (TV show, 1/19/94)

REALITY: Walsh won indictments against 14 people in connection with the Iran-
contra scandal
including leading Reagan administration officials like former Secretary of
Defense Caspar
Weinberger and former national security advisers Robert McFarlane and John
Poindexter. Of
the 14, 11 were convicted or pleaded guilty. (Two convictions were later
overturned on
technicalities--including that of occasional Limbaugh substitute Oliver North)


LIMBAUGH: Explaining why the Democrats wanted to "sabotage" President Bush
with the 1990
budget deal: "Now, here is my point. In 1990, George Bush was president and
was enjoying a 90
percent plus approval rating on the strength of our victories in the Persian
Gulf War and Cold
War." (Told You So, p. 304)

REALITY: In October 1990, when the budget deal was concluded the Gulf War had
not yet been
fought.


LIMBAUGH: On the Gulf War: "Everybody in the world was aligned with the United
States
except who? The United States Congress." (TV show, 4/18/94)

REALITY: Both houses of Congress voted to authorize the U.S. to use force
against Iraq.


LIMBAUGH: On Bosnia: "For the first time in military history, U.S. military
personnel are not
under the command of United States generals." (TV show, 4/18/94)

REALITY: That's news to the Pentagon. "How far back do you want to go?" asked
Commander
Joe Gradisher, a Pentagon spokesperson. "Americans served under Lafayette in
the
Revolutionary war." Gradisher pointed out several famous foreign commanders of
U.S. troops,
including France's Marshall Foch, in overall command of U.S. troops in World
War 1. In World
War 2, Britain's General Montgomery led U.S. troops in Europe and North
Africa, while another
British General, Lord Mountbatten, commanded the China-Burma-India theatre.


LIMBAUGH: Limbaugh frequently denies that he uses his show for political
activism: "I have
yet to encourage you people or urge you to call anybody. I don't do it. They
think I'm the one
doing it. That's fine. You don't need to be told when to call. They think you
are a bunch of
lemmings out there." (Radio show, 6/28/93)

REALITY: Just an hour after making the above claim, he was--as usual--sending
his troops to the
trenches: "The people in the states where these Democratic senators are up for
reelection in '94
have to let their feelings be known.... These senators, you let them know. I
think Wisconsin's one
state. Let's say Herb Kohl is up in '94. You people in Wisconsin who don't
like this bill, who don't
like the tax increases, you let Herb Kohl know somehow."


And in summation, Rush is a liar (proven by (4:1:b), 'Merriam Webster's
Collegiate Dictionary,
10th Edition", page 670-671)!

Readers should judge on their own, whether you think this proves that Rush
knew about these
lies in advance and/or had an intent to deceive when he told these lies (as
it's impossible to prove
ones state of mind). I believe he did (on both accounts), so therefore I
believe there's ample
evidence to show Rush a liar by subsense 4:1:a, and 4:2 also! Readers should
also judge whether
they think that (many of) his lies are attempts at changing history.

Stanley Rosenthal





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Sat Mar 14 22:21:29 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:21:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: And ANOTHER REAL "Punk!" (or two)
Message-ID: <169bc590.350b7340@aol.com>


Subj: TAKE STOCK(man, Please!)!
Date: 06/19/96

I start with Article 6, section 3 of the Constitution of the United States of
America - 

"3 The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the
several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers,
both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by oath or
affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall
ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the
United States."

And now, from the *real* "liberal" media, the Houston Press, June - 13-19 -
1996 issue -
--------------------------
(TOC description - Stalking Stockman - Truth was the first casualty when I
visited Steve Stockman's combined home and political sweatshop. By Tim
Fleck)

{Quote - "We're not afraid of anything." - An unidentified whiny-voiced
Stockmanite. Photos - a picture of the headline of an article in the Houston
Chronicle of 6-7-96 - "CHARGES SOUGHT AGAINST REPORTER Trespassing Alleged At
Stockman's House", a picture of Tim Fleck walking up
to Stockman's house, caption - "Knock, knock, who's there? Fleck cautiously
approaches the threshhold of the Stockman compound.", and a picture
of a sign that says "God Bless You! Congressman Stockman")


INTO THE DEN OF STOCKMANIA

The Truth About My Alleged "Invasion" Of The Friendswood Congressman's One-
Stop Political Sweatshop And Homestead

By Tim Fleck

For just a moment, it seemed as if there might be at least one good man
laboring at Congressman Steve Stockman's political
sweatshop-cum-residence when I dropped in last week for an unannounced visit.
Several raps on the front door had summoned a lanky young
African-American volunteer named Booker T. Stallworth. Despite being
confronted by a stranger with a press I.D. card clipped to his shirt pocket
and a bulky Sony tape recorder and microphone slung over his shoulder,
Stallworth flashed an all-American smile and graciously motioned me in.
Judging by the fallout generated by those two or three steps forward, I might
just as well have landed on the front lawn of Stockman's Friendswood
home in a black helicopter.

Once inside, my rather limited tour of the Stockman compound lasted about two
minutes before I was ordered out by an officious young Stockmanite
who refused to identify himself and displayed a distinct aversion to cameras.
No physical contact, shouting or foul language occurred during the brief
encounter. Yet within two hours of my visit, Stockman's Capitol Hill office
began spewing press releases at taxpayers' expense that accused me of
trespassing and forcing my way into the congressman's residence and physically
assaulting his campaign workers.

"This is outrageous!" Stockman was quoted as huffing in one "updated" release
(headlined "Stockman Stalked by Trespassing Reporter"). "I have
called the Harris County Sheriff's Department, the Capitol Hill police and the
[U.S. House] Sergeant-at-Arms' office. I am pressing charges for
trespass and assault and battery."

Stockman's office even suggested that I had terrorized the congressman's wife,
Patti Bullock Stockman, assuring the world that she "was unharmed"
after my visit. That insinuation was especially outlandish, given that I never
laid eyes on Patti Stockman (who, incidentally, has a $58,000-a-year job
at the Johnson Space Center that presumably would have required her presence
on that weekday afternoon).

Stockman himself hastily caught a plane back from D.C. "to address the
emergency," according to his congressional flack Cory Birenbaum, and
while in flight called a talk-radio station in Beaumont to beat the drums
about the alleged home invasion. Birenbaum told another reporter that
Stockman already had complained to Friendswood police, one of whom, the
spokesman related, declared that he "would have shot the son of a bitch
dead." But the chief of the Friendswood force told another local reporter that
his department hadn't heard from Stockman.

The Stockman press releases alerted area media outlets, whose reporters were
soon sorting through the lies produced by the Stockman propaganda
machine and writing their own stories about the incident. Birenbaum tried to
peddle one whopper that I had crashed the Stockman-Newt Gingrich
rally at a Galleria-area (StanNote! outside of Stockman's district) hotel last
month by falsely claiming to be a reporter with the Associated Press. The
only problem with that was that the A.P. reporter and I had both bantered with
Birenbaum at the event, and clearly identified ourselves to him. I had
received a press credential to the rally after displaying my Houston police
press I.D., which bears the name *Houston Press* in large, hard-to-miss
letters.

The lies continued later, when volunteer Stallworth filed a complaint with the
Harris County Sheriff's Department falsely claiming that I had pushed
him and shouted and screamed during my visit. (The recording I made of the
incident shows the conversation never broke a sonic sweat.) The
sheriff's department punted the complaint to the district attorney's office,
where Johnny Holmes' top assistant, Don Sticklin, was investigating at
press time.

In retrospect, Stallworth's dissembling probably explains what a seemingly
nice guy like him was doing hanging with the Stockman gang. By inviting
me into Stockman's political nest, though, Stallworth did prove that he hadn't
absorbed a central tenet of the political consulting business.

Photographer Nicole Fruge' and I drove to Friendswood to do some on-the-scene
investigation of Political Won Stop, a business registered in
Brazoria County that operates out of Stockman's residence and has received
$126,000 in payments from the congressman's campaign since January.
One of the listed principals of the firm, Chris Cupit, just happens to be the
Republican nominee for tax assessor-collector of Jefferson County, a
position that has been vacated by Democrat Nick Lampson, who is now running
for Congress against Stockman.

Cupit apparently has no official campaign office of his own in Jefferson
County, raising questions about whether resources from his and Stockman's
campaigns are being comingled in the rather cozy spaces of the Whitman Way
residence. That would be a violation of federal election law. And *The
Hill*, a D.C. based weekly that covers Congress and first reported on the
Political Won Stop operation, has questioned whether Stockman's
campaign keeps the appropriately legal "arms-length" distance from the
consultants, whose phone number is the same as Stockman's and who
presumably use the facilities available to others in the Stockman household.

*Press* calls to the house and Cupit and partner Jason Posey (who had
identified himself as a Stockman "volunteer" to *The Hill*) went unreturned,
so the only option seemed to be an on-site inspection. After I followed
Stallworth into the living room of the Stockman domicile, I met several
volunteers who claimed Cupit was not there. But the 1995 Saturn that was
reposing in Stockman's driveway at the time is registered to Cupit. The
front of the intensely claustrophobic house, where windows might otherwise be
found, is sealed by planking, and the only vista to the street is a
pinhole in the worn wooden front door. It hardly seems a residence fitting for
a U.S. congressman, even one whose employment history prior to his
1994 election was rather spotty.

The living room, cluttered with campaign signs and literature, opens on the
right into a garage office, where Political Won Stop apparently does its
work. A hallway on the left presumably leads to some sort of sleeping
quarters, where Patti may or may not have been crouching in fear while I was
in the front room.

Upon my entry, Stallworth summoned a dark-haired young man from the garage
office, who proved far less friendly. "You'll have to leave," he
announced in a rather whiny, nasal voice. (The following day, the *Press*
called Chris Cupit at his home in Groves and discovered that he possess a
whiny, nasal voice identical to that of the man who ordered me out of
Stockman's residence. But perhaps everybody who works for Stevie whines. On
the phone, Cupit flatly denied being present at Stockman's house during my
visit. Before we could ask what his car was doing in Stockman's
Driveway, Dupit said he had to go but promised to call us back shortly. He
never did, of course.)

At the Stockman compound, the Cupit sound-alike denied that Political Won Stop
operated out of the house, but tried to change the subject when I
reminded him that Stockman's own campaign finance filings list the company as
based there. "I know, but we have rights, too, and you've got to
honor our rights," he whined. He seemed especially terrified that photographer
Fruge', who was just outside the front door with her camera, might get
a shot of his face. He tried to close the front door, and another volunteer
then slammed it shut and pressed his back against it, barring any exit. I
asked the head whiner what he was so afraid of. "We're not afraid of
anything," he insisted, rather unconvincingly.

After being ordered once more to leave, I replied, Well, fine, open the door.
And don't hide too much. You guys are pathetic." And with that, my
alleged "invasion" of the congressman's castle was over. Minutes later,
several young Stockman volunteers drove up, and I asked them to locate
Chris Cupit for me. Once inside the house, they didn't come back out before
Fruge' and I departed.

Fruge' took a few more shots of Fort Stockman from the street while I went to
interview neighbors. Birenbaum would later claim she took photos
through the windows of the Stockman abode. The problem with that particular
lie is that there are no windows accessible from the front yard to take
photos through.

A woman who lives next door to Stockman seemed surprised to learn that the
bustling political office also housed a U.S. Congresseman and his wife.
"No, I do not know him," said Hanan Zadeh, when asked if she had had the
pleasure of meeting Steve Stockman.

Zadeh - who, unlike the boys next door, did not hesitate to identify herself -
seemed unperturbed by the continuous stream of people coursing in and
out of Stockman's alleged residence.

"We know this is just temporary for election time," she explained. "It's not a
problem."

But depending on how the money paid by Stockman to Political Won Stop is
actually used, it could be a big problem for the Freshman Prince of
Friendswood in the not-so-distant future.
--------------
"We're not afraid of anything."

They certainly aren't afraid of *god*!

Stan
============
Subj: It's Cupit, Ma'am, Not Stupid!
Date: 07/21/96

More from the "Liberal Media", from the 'Houston Press' June 20-26, 1996
these are pieces of -
---------------------
The Insider - compiled by Tim Fleck

TALES OF CUPIT (RHYMES WITH STUPID)

The squirrelly adventures of Congressman Steve Stockman's frat-house band of
consultants who call themselves Political Won Stop seem to know no
limits. *The Hill*, a Congress-covering weekly in the nation's capital, first
revealed that Stockman's re-election campaign had paid more than
$126,000 to the consultancy, which is owned by 26-year-old Chris Cupit and
25-year old Jason Posey and is listed on the congressman's campaign
disclosures as having the same Whitman Way address as stockman's combination
home and election headquarters just outside Friendswood. More
recently, *The Hill* reproted that the address Political Won Stop used on its
DBA filing in Brazoria County is a rental beach house at Surfside.
Always up for a summer jaunt to the Gulf, The Insider motored down to Surfside
over the weekend to discover that the rent house, which is named
the Hide-a-Way and sits just down the road from the Money Pit, was vacent. On
our return, we talked to the owner of the Hide-a-Way, Houstonian
Diane Hensley, who rented the house in the off-season to Cupit from last fall
to early spring. Hensley, a Stockman supporter and unsuccessful
legislative candidate this year, says she's known Cupit for two years and
isn't surprised he listed the home as his place of business.

The Hide-a-Way certainly is an appropriately named location for a business run
by the secrecy-obsessed Cupit, the Stockman operative and GOP
nominee for Jefferson County tax collector-assessor whom we encountered on our
unannounced visit to Stockman's home/campaign office two weeks
ago. Cupit refused to identify himself and hid his face when a *Press*
photographer approached. It's apparently typical behavior from Cupit, judging
by the account of an advertising sales type who tried to sell the Stockman
campaign some bumper stickers two days before we ventured into the grip
of Stockmania.

The salesman says he contacted the Stockman headquarters "and got ahold of a
man who wouldn't identify himself except by his first name, Chris."
It took the salesman two weeks to get an appointment with the mysterious
Chris, and only under circumstances that seem lifted from a spy novel.
"He would not give me the address of his headquarters," recounts the salesman,
"and he asked if I would meet him on the parking lot of the Burger
King in Baybrook Mall." (Stockman's home/office is located in a subdivision
behind the mall.) When the salesman finally rendezvoused with "Chris,"
the Stockman flunky again refused to give his last name but expressed interest
in the batch of see-through, peel-off "Stockman for Congress"
stickers the salesman had brought along to demonstrate. Chris refused to allow
the salesman to put one of the stickers on his car and instead insisted
they be handed over for future inspection, presumably by the congressman. At
one point, Chris displayed a trace of envy by allowing that he wished
he could afford the see-through numbers for his own campaign.

The salesman is still chuckling over the encounter. "I'm in my early
seventies, and I've done business in Houston for over 35 years. It's the first
time
I ever made a sales pitch on the parking lot of a Burger King!" (He was later
shown a photo of Chris Cupit and positively identified the stealth
candidate as the phantom of the Burger King.) Their meeting was two weeks ago,
and now the salesman can't get through to Chris. "The guy who
answers the phone, who's a nitwit, says, 'What is this regarding?' Then he
says, 'I don't know if he's here.' I say, 'Come on, kid, you're in a house and
you don't know who comes through the front door?' "

Cupit also hasn't acquired much name identification in Beaumont, the seat of
the county where he wants to be the head tax collector. When The
Insider went on a Beaumont call-in show last week to debunk the false claims
by Stockman that we had assaulted his campaign workers and
terrorized his wife, the radio host, Jack Piper, was unfamiliar with Cupit and
his candidacy. During Piper's show, we played an audio tape of our
encounter with the Stockmanites at the congressman's home, wheich included our
repeated question, "Is Chris Cupit here?" Afterward, a
hard-of-hearing pro-Stockman caller rang up to chastise the liberal media for
"calling people stupid." Why, she asked, did we have to call them
stupid? Piper had to gently correct her: "It's Cupit, ma'am, not stupid."


==========
Subj: Fleck Gets an 'E' (of the 'RWLTPC') (one whos job it is to destroy
anyone or anything that goes against the 'RWLTPC') !
-----
>From the Houston Press, July 4-10 issue, Letters section -
-----
The Stockman Welcome Mat

Having read the latest in your series of articles and "exposes" on Congressman
Steve Stockman, I have a few questions and observations for you:
Do you expect Stockman or his staff to welcome you into his home with open
arms when everything you've ever written about him has been decidedly
negative? Your stories and the tone of your paper are antything but objective.
You can't abide or report objectively on anything or anyone who is
Republican, nor can you ever report anything unfavorable on a Democrat.

You went to Stockman's place with your mind made up as to what you were going
to write. You refer to all his staffers as whiny. To me, you are the
ultimate whiner.

Jerry King
Houston
==========
Subj: More 'Take Stock(man), PLEASE!'

>From the Houston Chronicle, 7-21-96 -
------
STOCKMAN MOURNS DEATH OF 'SUPPORTER'

Alan Bernstein, Politics

U.S. Rep. Steve Stockman of Friendswood did not immediately try to put a self-
serving political spin on last week's TWA jetliner tragedy.

He waited almost two days.

On Friday afternoon, reporters received a news release on Stockman's
congressional stationery. It expresses the congressman's deep sorrow that
Houston victim's rights advocate Pam Lychner was killed in the explosion and
crash off Long Island.

The document, an official communication from Stockman's publicly funded
operation in Washington, D.C., was headlined "STOCKMAN
SUPPORTER DIES IN TWA TRAGEDY/ VICTIMS' ADVOCATE MADE TV AD FOR STOCKMAN."

With direct quotes from Stockman, the news release lauded Lychner for her
criminal justice reform work.

"Pam was a friend who will be dearly missed by my wife Patti and I," said
Stockman's written words. "Pam Lychner did a campaign television ad for
me in 1992. I got to know her and her story. She was a woman of uncommon
courage and inner strength and that is how I will remember her."

Stockman's top aide, Cory Birenbaum, said the news release was not a political
exploitation of a grim event.

"We are just trying to point things out that affect" the congressman,
Birenbaum explained. "It's simply to regret the fact that a personal friend of
his
passed away."

To say the least, written statements from Stockman and Birenbaum have been
controversial lately.

In June, another official news release from Stockman carried the headline
"STOCKMAN STALKED BY TRESPASSING REPORTER."

It told Stockman's version of a visit to his home and campaign headquarters in
Friendswood by a reporter for the Houston Press, at a time when
Stockman was in Washington.

Stockman sought criminal charges against the reporter. The district attorney's
office refused to file the charges. The reporter then filed a libel suit
against Stockman.

Birenbaum was the focus of national publicity recently for a private letter he
wrote to a Texas Monthly reporter after the magazine ran an
unflattering profile of Stockman.

The letter said the writer got her magazine job "for reasons I would refuse to
speculate upon in polite society. Hope your knees have healed up
nicely."

Birenbaum said he meant that the writer had to beg for employment, not that
she performed a sex act. ... 


                                                                           





From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sat Mar 14 23:33:44 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:33:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: get me off/ME TOO!
Message-ID: <199803150655.HAA05046@basement.replay.com>


Dumbass, if you didn't have the brain cells to understand what this list is about, don't play with your mommy's computer and e-mail account.  Open a dos prompt and type "FDISK/U" and all your troubles will be over. 
 (what a fucked up band name)

[SNIP]
>Me too.  Take me off of your stinkin' list.
>
>Stan and the Sequencers
>





From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sun Mar 15 00:23:29 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:23:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: New Website is up!!
Message-ID: <199803150745.IAA11699@basement.replay.com>


Considering the one-line content of the Web page, this appears
to have been a troll, perhaps aimed at gathering an instant
snapshot database of IP addresses/domains/reverse lookups of
people with an interest in crypto.

Don't go there. 

'Scuse me, someone's knocking at my door...
NO CARRIER

----- Original Message -----
To:               cypherpunks at toad.com, coderpunks at toad.com, cryptography at c2.net
Date sent:        	Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:17:45 -0700
From:             "Jared" 
Copies to:        cypherpunks-announce at toad.com
Subject:          New Website is up!!
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CHECK IT OUT!! 


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From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sun Mar 15 01:44:11 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 01:44:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Killing Stan the Right Way
Message-ID: <199803150944.KAA24525@basement.replay.com>


Tim May wrote:
> When you have been on the list longer, and when you go back and read the
> messages from the early years of the list, you will understand that it has
> never been the "Cypherpunk Way" to do the work others can do for themselves.

That's right. After glancing through some of the early posts to the
cypherpunks list one realizes that many of them had to walk ten miles
to get to a computer--always uphill and often in a blinding snowstorm.

That was back in the days when Americans still knew how to make a
big, high-powered car, but cypherpunks didn't use them to get to
their computers because they weren't namby-pamby momma's boys like
those godless commie A(h)OLs who get their peckers hammered on the
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From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 02:15:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: For Your Entertainment (Was: Re: New Website is up!!)
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <199803151008.FAA09540@users.invweb.net>


In , on 03/14/98 
   at 12:17 PM, "Jared"  said:

>New Web page up at HTTP://WWW.INSTANTWEB.COM/~SALEM/

>CHECK IT OUT!! 

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From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sun Mar 15 11:53:26 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:53:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: time to export RSA and demand to be prosecuted? (Re:Cypherpunks Crypto_Legal Assistance Fund) (fwd)
Message-ID: <199803151953.UAA17769@basement.replay.com>


Jim Choate wrote:
> True, but since it is unethical and criminal in that it puts others in harms
> way without their prior permission it isn't reasonable. To do something like
> this really would put the part in the same boat as those they were
> attempting to defeat - a pot calling the kettle black.

Jim,
Decoded the message from your post and will tell our friends in 
Las Vegas to release the _real_ anthrax as soon as possible.
It looks like the feds are going to hang the Olympic Park bombing
on rudolph, so it seems you have nothing to worry about.

A. Nanny Mass
p.s. - I agree with the point of your post, although I didn't really
    understand it.






From coderpunks at toad.com  Sun Mar 15 11:55:52 1998
From: coderpunks at toad.com (HappyHacker)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:55:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Webpage just recreated...
Message-ID: <350B43C500000747@mail.uep.com>


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                                 CypherPunks







From buzzreg at central.cnet.com  Sun Mar 15 14:41:39 1998
From: buzzreg at central.cnet.com (buzzreg at central.cnet.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:41:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Welcome to Builder buzz!
Message-ID: <199803152241.OAA23425@toad.com>


Welcome, cypherpunks.

You have registered as a provisional user for Builder Buzz. To become a full
member, please email the following member code line back to us, so we can
confirm your email address. With most email programs, you can simply reply to
this message. (If your email program doesn't include the previous message in
its replies, you may need to cut and paste the member code line into the reply
message.)

   MEMBER CODE: 52ce L3N9gKa0 

Thank you for joining us, and we look forward to having you visit often and
participate completely in the Builder Buzz conversations!

Regards,
Dan Shafer
master builder and Builder buzz host





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Sun Mar 15 14:44:06 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:44:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: get me off/ME TOO!
Message-ID: <9af5281a.350c596f@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-15 02:54:47 EST, A real  "nobody" writes:

<< Dumbass, if you didn't have the brain cells to understand what this list is
about, don't play with your mommy's computer and e-mail account.  Open a dos
prompt and type "FDISK/U" and all your troubles will be over. >>

Look Nobody, I don't think that even ONE cypherpunk (other than yourself) is
stupid enough to think I would do it.


<<  (what a fucked up band name)  >>
   
Yes, that's why we changed it from the "Nobodies" to "Nobody's Business"  {BIG
GRIN]

Stan Rosenthal,
Nobody's Business -
http://members.aol.com/StanSquncr/home.html

PS: 'Stan and the Sequencers' opens for the Brave Combo,  March 27, at the
FabSat in Houston, Be There Or Be Square (and if you're a Liberatarian or a
Republican, you can be there AND be square!)





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Sun Mar 15 14:44:30 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:44:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Nobody's Business
Message-ID: 


In a message dated 98-03-15 05:10:13 EST, nobody at REPLAY.COM writes:

<< That was back in the days when Americans still knew how to make a
 big, high-powered car, but cypherpunks didn't use them to get to
 their computers because they weren't namby-pamby momma's boys like
 those godless commie A(h)OLs who get their peckers hammered on the
 cypherpunks list and then complain because they can't get off. >>

It's always easy to tell who's nerves I touch, notice the "McCarthyism" - "
... commie ... ", you guys can't hide, you're too fucking stupid.

Register and vote against Conservatives, Liberatarians and Republicans.

And Nobody, call yourself for what you are, a "DittoHead" (ie: a "stupid,
fucking moron").

Oh, but the REAL name for joker's such as "nobody"?

He's a member of the "Know-nothing" movement.  Look it up in a Dictionary.

<< Has anyone seen my shoes? I can't find my shoes... >>

That's because you're a "stupid fucking moron."

Stan





From validate at wbs.net  Sun Mar 15 14:46:12 1998
From: validate at wbs.net (WebChat Broadcasting System)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:46:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Validation Code for WBS Access (cypherpunks, 46910009)
Message-ID: <199803152246.OAA20806@webchat1.wbs.net>


THANKS FOR JOINING US, cypherpunks!

For full access to WBS using this handle you must validate your account.
To do so, please complete either of the following two options:

< Option #1 >  Reply to this email without altering the subject line.

This WILL NOT WORK if the subject line of your reply email is altered
in any way.  Some email serving software changes the subject line
automatically. If you are unsure whether yours does or does not,
follow the validation instructions in option #2.

< Option #2 > Go to the WBS Validation Page at
< http://wbs.net/validate.html > and enter
your account information exactly as shown below.

Handle:  cypherpunks
Password: cypherpunks
Validation #: 46910009

PASSWORDS ARE CASE SENSITIVE (e.g. if your password is "bob",
entering "BOB" in any password field on WBS will not work)

If you've decided you don't want this handle,
you can delete it by doing the following:

Go to the WBS Identity, User Editing at
< http://wbs.net/cgi-bin/user_edit.cgi >
Select "delete one of your handles" , then scroll down
and enter the handle and password exactly as shown below
and click "login".
Repeat on next page and click "delete".

Handle:  cypherpunks
Password:  cypherpunks

Thanks for being a part of the greatest community on earth!

By validating your account you acknowledge having read the WBS system
rules at < http://wbs.net/wbs/rules.html > and agree to abide by them.

If you do not believe you registered this handle on WBS, someone may
have accidentally entered your email address - or - someone may be
using your email address without your permission.

Registration to WBS is free and harmless and unless you follow the
directions above to validate the account, it will remain inactive and
unusable.  Why don't ya check us out?  < http://wbs.net >





From Ray_Paradis at bigfoot.com  Sun Mar 15 15:04:44 1998
From: Ray_Paradis at bigfoot.com (Ray Paradis)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:04:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: New Forum In Town
Message-ID: <001e01bd5066$a9ba7f60$890dadce@crc3.concentric.net>


Grand opening of the Webmasters Club. Webmasters Club is your forum to
discuss anything and everything related to building and maintaining a web
presence.

* Notice * We are looking for moderators if you are interested please email
me.








From Spdrcr7719 at aol.com  Sun Mar 15 15:10:55 1998
From: Spdrcr7719 at aol.com (Spdrcr7719)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:10:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Too Hot!!!
Message-ID: <6f8cdd6f.350c5ebf@aol.com>


   This really is a blast.  With all these movies coming out about virtual
reality, it's amazing to actually have a virtual reality program like this 
for your own computer.

   The Virtual Girlfriend and Virtual Boyfriend are artificial intelligence
programs for your IBM PC or compatible and also for MACINTOSH. You 
can watch them, talk to them, ask them questions, tell them secrets, and 
relate with them.  Watch them as you ask them to take off different clothes
and guide them through many different activities.  Watch and participate 
in the hottest sexual activities available on computer, including: several
sexual positions, using many unique toys, even bringing in multiple partners.
This is no doubt one of the most realistic, sexually stimulating computer
games available.  They will remember your name, birthday, your likes and 
your dislikes.  Every time you start the program, they say different things, 
and act differently.  Each time, they have a different personality. With the 
VGA digital graphics, the Virtual Girlfriend and Virtual Boyfriend software 
have some of the hottest, sexiest graphics out there.  You can actually 
hear their voice as they talk to you.  This is the first adult software title
that was designed for both heterosexual and homosexual people.  We
would like you to try the actual full copy out before it is put on the market
this spring. It will be sold for 1/7 of the actual price (only $7.95) until we
can get back some information on what people think of the program before
it hits the stores.  Please give it a try and write back any comments.
   Thank you.

     Virtual Girlfriend and Virtual Boyfriend are artificial intelligence 
programs, meaning they are completely interactive.  It would be just like 
if you were talking to someone.  You can actually have simple 
conversations.  Their attitudes change with the different things you say, 
so you can say things that will upset them, and then say things that will 
please them.  The more you play/talk with them, the more you learn what 
they can do, and what they like to do.  It's easy to install and instructions
are easy to follow.

         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Special Offer~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
       *Get two more new and exciting adult games for an additional $13.45*
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                          Here are two of the best adult games ever!!

     This is to inform you about the new adult game that VCS Magazine
rated "The best game of "97" and gave an "Outstanding ****" (4 stars).
"The Search for Paradise is no doubt one of the greatest XXX adult games 
available".  The first game where it is as much fun as it is a turn on!
Travel the world to every continent, every country you can think of, and meet
some of the most beautiful women in existence.  These women will treat 
you like a king and obey your every command.  Any sexual wish you can 
think of,  these women know it all.  There is a certain paradise for every
guy out there, and this game will have them all.  This game uses real 
models, digital video, and digital sound to make it as realistic as possible.
You will feel like you're in the same room as the girl you're talking to!!!

     The last adult game we are going to inform you about is the newly
released "Club Celebrity X".  Imagine being in a club with some very 
beautiful, well known, ACTUAL celebrities that with skill, will be making 
you breakfast in bed the next day.  These girls you have seen on television,
magazines, and billboard ads, and now they are on your computer, begging
for action.  Each girl you will recognize and you won't believe your eyes 
when you got them in your own bedroom.  This game is hot, and once you
start playing, you won't be able to stop.  


******************************************************************************
**********
                                (((((((((LIMITED TIME ONLY))))))))
T00 H0T!!  for Virtual girlfriend.... These were too sexually graphic to
include in VG and VB.  These are some of most arousing & attractive 
models ever put in one collection.  You MUST be 18 or over to purchase 
& not easily offened.
******************************************************************************
***********

*Required: 386 or better, 4 meg ram or better, Windows 3.1 or higher 
(Win95 is fine), sound card or CD-rom are optional.  Games are given 
either on CD-rom or compressed 3.5" diskettes.  Required is VGA graphics, 
and a hard drive.  Macintosh requires at least 4 meg of ram.  They will run 
on any IBM or MACINTOSH compatible.  If you are interested and would 
like to order a copy, then you can read the mailing instructions below.  
Games come in an unmarked package and are sent out at most 4 days 
after the order is received.  You are not put on any mailing lists
whatsoever, guaranteed.  ~At your request, the programs can come with
a password protection utility that only allows the program to run when the
correct password is entered.~


To order,  please send to:             
                                        C&M PROMOTIONS
                                         6185 Magnolia Ave.
                                              Suite# 360
                                       Riverside CA, 92506
                                    Phone # 1-888-341-1643 

        Please fill out the following form and mail it to the address above.
              (Feel free to write out the order form by hand, if you wish).
      ________________________________________________________
   __________________________ (Cut here)_________________________

                   send to:             C&M Promotions
                                      6185 Magnolia Ave. #360
                                          Riverside CA, 92506


Your Name __________________________________ Date ___________

Address _____________________________________________________

City ____________________________ State ___ Zip Code ____________

Phones: Home  ___________________E-mail Address _______________

Do you use a?  IBM__  MACINTOSH __
Would you like? 3.5 Disks__ CD ROM__ 
 
(   ) Virtual
Girlfriend..............................................................$7.95
(   ) Virtual
Boyfriend.............................................................$7.95
(   ) Both Virtual Girlfriend and
Boyfriend................................$13.95
(   ) The Search for Paradise & Club Celebrity X......................$13.45
(   ) Too HOT for VG &
VB....................................................$17.50
(   ) Everything!!! The Search for Paradise, Club Celebrity X 
      and Virtual Girlfriend and Virtual
Boyfriend.......................$21.90

                                                              (ADD)
S&H.......$2.00

*money order or check*                        Amount enclosed?________


~Please indicate year of birth___________

Code:8053





From kevlar at smartlink.net  Sun Mar 15 16:12:46 1998
From: kevlar at smartlink.net (Kevlar)
Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:12:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Welcome to Builder buzz!
In-Reply-To: <199803152241.OAA23425@toad.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980315161152.007b4780@mail.smartlink.net>


Has anyone tried this out yet? Is it some lame scam to get alot of e-mail
addresses? The lack of information about what the hell "Builder Buzz" makes
me wonder...


At 02:37 PM 3/15/98, you wrote:
>Welcome, cypherpunks.
>
>You have registered as a provisional user for Builder Buzz. To become a full
>member, please email the following member code line back to us, so we can
>confirm your email address. With most email programs, you can simply reply to
>this message. (If your email program doesn't include the previous message in
>its replies, you may need to cut and paste the member code line into the
reply
>message.)
>
>   MEMBER CODE: 52ce L3N9gKa0 
>
>Thank you for joining us, and we look forward to having you visit often and
>participate completely in the Builder Buzz conversations!
>
>Regards,
>Dan Shafer
>master builder and Builder buzz host
>
>





From tcmay at got.net  Sun Mar 15 09:19:03 1998
From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:19:03 +0800
Subject: RTFM
In-Reply-To: <279b5b66b1c8ac3768a7bfc174f33a21@anon.efga.org>
Message-ID: 



At 7:12 AM -0800 3/15/98, Anonymous wrote:

>I wish Schneier indicated _how_ one makes compressible ciphertext. I am
>certainly no expert here. Have much reading to do!

Offhand, there are many ways to "pad out" ciphertext so as to make it more
compressible by standard compression algorithms.

-- duplicate every character several times, right after it first appears.
This clearly lets a compressor find "compression patterns." True, it looks
pretty obvious to a human eyeball, but it shows the theme.

-- insert sonnets from Shakespear. Same as above.

-- generally, lower the entropy by duplication, insertion, lengthening.


>> There have been hundreds of articles and comments here and on other mailing
>> lists about this. Not that your ideas are not welcome, just to let you know
>> why it's likely your ideas won't be met with a rush of excitement. You
>> might try finding these old analyses and seeing what you can add.
>>
>
>A polite "no amatuers allowed in the clubhouse." How does TCM expect the
>newcomers to learn, if no one will share their accumulated knowledge? That
>is the reason I signed up for this list - to _learn_.

Not a "no amateurs allowed." Not at all. Just an obvious comment that one
cannot expect those of us who've been on the list for years to rewrite and
rewrite and rewrite the same essays. Search engines will turn up much
discussion. If newcomers are too lazy to read Schneier, to read the FAQs,
to read some of the many thousands of articles so conveniently accessible
with search engines, I have no sympathy for them.


--Tim May

Just Say No to "Big Brother Inside"
---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
ComSec 3DES:   408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
Higher Power: 2^3,021,377   | black markets, collapse of governments.







From info at 209.116.211.250  Mon Mar 16 04:44:31 1998
From: info at 209.116.211.250 (info at 209.116.211.250)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 04:44:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 5 Times Book Value Investment NTXA
Message-ID: <199606141234.IAA02622@209.116.211.250>


NTXA => National Tax and Acounting
See For your self
http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=ntxa&d=v4

This stock holds an estimated book value of $1.24 Per share
If standards of investment apply this stock should easily hold at 5 times 
book to an expected  market valuation  of over $6 per share.
"THEN and NOW"
An investment of $100.00 in Mcdonalds in 1955 would NOW be worth over $1 million 
today.  No one knew THEN. 

See For your self
http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=ntxa&d=v4

PRESS RELEASE INFO
============================================================
Monday January 19, 8:31 am Eastern Time
Company Press Release
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/980119/national_t_1.html
National Tax Accounting Inc. to Merge with World Arts Centre Inc.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Monday October 27 8:28 AM EST 
Company Press Release
National Tax Accounting Inc. to Acquire National Tax Filing Service Inc. 
of Daytona Beach, Florida
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/97/10/27/ntxa_y0004_1.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Monday August 11 2:42 PM EDT 
Company Press Release
National Tax Accounting Inc. to Acquire Two New Affiliates: 
Express Tax Inc. and Michael K. Zimmerman CPA, PA
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/97/08/11/ntxa_1.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thursday May 29 8:10 AM EDT 
Company Press Release
National Tax Accounting begins trading publicly
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/97/05/29/ntxa_y0004_1.html
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The contents of this message have been provided for the review of potential 
investors only and does not constitute an offering of securities.
Call Your Broker or if you need a broker go to the following address.
http://www.yahoo.com/Business_and_Economy/Companies/Financial_Services/Investment_Services/Brokerages/Full_Service/





From jtsr-stock at jtsr-stock.com  Mon Mar 16 06:55:33 1998
From: jtsr-stock at jtsr-stock.com (jtsr-stock at jtsr-stock.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:55:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: JT's Restarants(JTSR) - Excellent Undervauled Investment Opportunity
Message-ID: <199803161455.GAA28370@toad.com>


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"THEN and NOW"
An investment of $100.00 in Mcdonalds in 1955 would NOW be worth over $1 
million today.  No one knew THEN. 

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From jya at pipeline.com  Mon Mar 16 07:13:35 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:13:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Law Where There Is No Land
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980316151508.006865fc@pop.pipeline.com>


NYT reports today on the battle to fit old law to cyberspace,
"The Law Where There Is No Land," featuring several 
eminent posters here, with a poster pix of Cindy Cohn 
attacking Bernstein's evil foes, laptop scythe slashing,
Xena backflipping effortlessly.

Flip to:

   http://jya.com/newlaw.htm






From sherman at cs.umbc.edu  Mon Mar 16 08:21:44 1998
From: sherman at cs.umbc.edu (Dr. Alan Sherman)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:21:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: videotapes of encryption policy forum at UMBC
Message-ID: 


For those of you who missed the two-part forum on
encryption policy at UMBC, a videotape of each event
is available in the CSEE library in the ECS building at UMBC.
The first event featured John Gilmore (EFF) and Fritz Fielding 
(former NSA); the second featured Barry Smith (FBI).

  http://www.cs.umbc.edu/events

These tapes are for viewing at UMBC only and are not
available for general distribution nor copying.

Dr. Alan T. Sherman
Associate Professor, Computer Science
sherman at cs.umbc.edu






From manager at musicblvd.com  Mon Mar 16 10:59:38 1998
From: manager at musicblvd.com (http://MusicBLVD.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:59:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Music Boulevard Deals
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980316102741.00b8eb5c@207.67.22.140>




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From: MSDNFlashEditor_000037 at news.newswire.microsoft.com (MSDNFlash Editor)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:13:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Special MSDN Update - Visual J++ 6.0
Message-ID: <199803162213.OAA01009@toad.com>


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From tm at dev.null  Mon Mar 16 15:56:03 1998
From: tm at dev.null (TruthMonger)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:56:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Prologue 7/0 -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS
Message-ID: <350DD687.3A05@dev.null>


Prologue 7/0 -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS
------------------------------------------

Bureau42 wrote:
The unifying presence of CJ Parker seems to have disappeared, and the
Circle of Eunuchs is in chaos. This is what's left - the cryptic
saga, "Space Aliens Hide My Drugs!" I can only wonder what, if anything,
this malarchy means. But it's occasionally amusing if nothing else.

  the bureau42 staff

-----

Subject: A.Word.A.Day--chaos
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:07:19 -0500
From: Wordsmith 
To: linguaphile at wordsmith.org

chaos (KAY-os) noun
   1. A condition or place of great disorder or confusion.
   2. A disorderly mass; a jumble.
   3. Often Chaos. The disordered state of unformed matter and infinite
      space supposed in some cosmogonic views to have existed before the
      ordered universe.
   4. Obsolete. An abyss; a chasm.
[Middle English, formless primordial space, from Latin, from Greek
khaos.] 
 
   "But chaos is a condition of creativity, says Zarathustra - `one 
   must have chaos in one, to give birth to a dancing star.'"
   Nietzsche, Friedrich Wilhelm, Thus Spake Zarathustra: Part 1.

-----

[Note from the Editor: CJ Parker, having had previous experience in
 playing a woman's role during his stint on 'Baywatch', has gone to
 ground recently, as have many other members of the Circle of Eunuchs,
 by re-entering the World of Myth, replacing the Parker woman in the
 TV series, 'The Pretender' (who died in a plane crash while giving
 Ron Brown the details of BadBillyC's sexual assault on her).
 This rather bizarre chain of events was precipitated by a warning he
 received regarding the return of Adolf Hitler to power, using the
 same Dimlluminati (The lights are on, but nobody's home...) process
 which was used to sweep Ronnie RayGuns into power as the chief leader
 of the Freeh(ee-hee) World.
 Those who have noticed the stunning blitzkrieg assault of a small
 college basketball team, Valparaiso, on their opponents in the NCAA
 tournament currently taking place, may have noticed the striking
 resemblance of Bryce Drew, their star player, to the child actor
 who was the main protagonist in the TV series, 'The Wonder Years.'
 This is no coincidence--they are, in fact, one and the same person.
 The diabolical process used to implant a respectable, patriotic image
 of Ronnie RayGuns in the mind of the American people, through the
 then-developing psychedelic opiate of Cinema/Television, is, in the
 present case, being extended to reinforce the image of the 'Wonder
 Boy' in an increasingly global environment, by extending the actor/
 image persona into the sports arena--beginning at the college level.
 ("Win one for the Gipper...")
 The 'miracle shot' by Bryce Drew to lift the obscure college team to
 victory over Mississippi was a staged event which required several
 'takes' before being successfully captured on film. The scene was
 shot in the same TV studio in which the original 'moon landing' was
 filmed. The same choreographers were used who worked on The Oklahoma
 City Players last major production, the bombing of the Murrah Federal
 Building.
 When asked for comment, a former Detroit Piston player who is now
 the owner of an NBA franchise, but wishes to remain anonymous, said,
 "If Bryce Drew and Ronald Reagan were black, they would have been
 just another pair of average actors."
 Knowledgeable individuals following the Reptilian Nazi conspiracy
 to emerge from their secret bunkers underneath the AdamAntArctic
 and Mule Shoe, Texas, recognize this quote as proof that the next
 step in this diabolical plot is to put the third clone (TV child-
 actor, college basketball player...-->...) of Adolf Hitler into
 place as the new 'white hope', replacing Larry Byrd as a member of
 the Boston Celtics. This shrewd move will help draw together, into
 a common cause, Fundamentalist Christians, White Supremacists, and
 East-coast factions of the Irish Republican Army.
 Circle of Eunuchs members attempting to expose this grand scheme of
 the Evil One have come under heavy attack recently. Dr. Dimitri Vulis
 KOTM, who was thrown out of the only CoE meeting he attended, had
 his InterNet account pulled shortly after putting up web site images
 of Bryce Drew, of Drew's alleged 'coach/father' and of Adolf Hitler. 
 (Guess who Bryce *really* looks the most like...?)
 A forth clone of Hitler (rumored to be operating under the code name
 of 'Lucky Green' and involved in an incestuous relationship with his
 aunt, E. Christ--currently operating under the alias of Anne R. Christ)
 is being prepared, within the bowels of the crypto-community, to 
 emerge as the future leader of the New World Order--in the position of
 Information Monitor/Director of the United Statism of Mind.]
 
-----
Subject: Re: Freedom. (fwd)
From: Jim Choate 
To: cypherpunks at ssz.com (Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer)

Forwarded message:
> From: Mark Rogaski 
> Subject: Re: Freedom.
> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:39:56 -0500 (EST)

> : > It's typical of prisoners that they begin to associate with their captors at some     > point. Eventualy there is no difference. Congratulations, you've reached that point.
> 
> Equating adaptability for guilt is a shaky bridge and not handled well by
> blanket judgements.

Actualy it's neither. It's a facet of human nature involved in the
survival
mechanism. Further, there is no judgement involved, it's an easily
verifiable quality of human psychology that prisoners begin to associate
with their captors after a short period.

What it is in this context is the recognition that prisoners of a
political
system will after a fashion begin to accept that system. Just look at
the
cry by many to return to the socialist system after the fall of the CCCP
in 
1990.
    ____________________________________________________________________
           Those who suppress freedom always do so in the name of
           law and order.
                                            John. V. Lindsay

       The Armadillo Group       ,::////;::-.          James Choate
       Austin, Tx               /:'///// ``::>/|/      ravage at ssz.com
       www.ssz.com            .',  ||||    `/( e\      512-451-7087
                           -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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-----

As a consequence the search for a quantitative theory of evolution 
based at the genetic level, which has been such an obsession for 
neo-Darwinism ever since the work of Fisher, Haldane and Wright, has 
been misdirected. As Depew and Weber has expressed it 'natural 
selection at the level of individuals and the notion of fitness used 
to measure it, is itself poised on the edge of chaos' 
(Depew and Weber, 1995): 
'The fitness of various sorts of organisms is not necessarily, or even
probably, enhanced by superiority in a single trait... In fact, the 
emergence of the ability to take advantage in resource competitions of 
an indefinitely number of often infinitesimally small differences 
creates degrees of freedom, in both the technical and the ordinary 
senses, well beyond what can be achieved by merely chemical and 
physical systems. It also creates more variables and interactions 
among them than can be tracked. It is impossible, then, to reduce 
the components of fitness to any single language or system of 
variables' (ibid, 471).

The number of possible solutions for selection to scrutinise, and the 
subtlety of the communicational interactions, will tend to produce a 
no-win situation. As a result selection cannot really �measure� the 
stakes of single players (individuals, demes, or species) in the game,
but it could still influence the choice of the game itself. 
Plays, not players, are selected for.

~Jesper Hoffmeyer
 Biosemiotics: Towards a New Synthesis in Biology
 European Journal for Semiotic Studies, Vol. 9 No. 2, 1997, pp 355-376.

-----
  It was the work of Jesper Hoffmeyer, in the field of Biosemiotics,
which led to the development of an artificial life/intelligence form
capable of self-development/evolution, at Sandia Laboratories--by
Reptilian Nazis.
  Their Cyborg technology had reached the point where it could finally
be mass-produced when Bill Payne, a Sandia-NISTA employee, downloaded
all the relevant technological files to a fellow Circle of Eunuchs
member operating clandestinely within the bowels of a secret government
laboratory (code-named 'Lost Alamo' by CoE psychophants).
  Although the Reptilian Nazis sent the Shadow back in time to 
eliminate the threat of the Circle of Eunuchs, by eliminating the
Author in a sleazy motel room in southern Saskatchewan, the Circle of
Eunuchs, taking advantage of the Trei Transponder technology developed
by the CypherPunks, made contact with the resident of a Home For The
Criminally Insane, in the same era, and used Biosemiotic theory to
transfer biological communication-information to a digital implant
he had received as part of a government experiment designed to control
the minds of the members of the CypherPunks Distributed Remailer lists.
  The resulting events have long been the basis for certain mythologies
concerning the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs, with the basic theme of
the CoE reality being mirrored from time to time in the mythology-
substitute of the era--Literature/Cinema/Television. (e.g. - Animal
Farm, 1984, War of the Worlds, Terminator (I & II), X-Files, Pretender,
Millennium, Journey to the East, The Magus, etc.)

----

The Bureau42 statement, "The unifying presence of CJ Parker seems to 
have disappeared,  and the Circle of Eunuchs is in chaos." was an
alert to CoE members to pay special attention to a commincation
which ultimately came from a CoE collective known as 'WordSmith':
    "But chaos is a condition of creativity, says Zarathustra - `one 
   must have chaos in one, to give birth to a dancing star.'"
   Nietzsche, Friedrich Wilhelm, Thus Spake Zarathustra: Part 1.

  The issue of chaos/creativity versus order/statism has pitted the
Circle of Eunuchs against the New World Order on a battleground that
encompasses NWO Anti-Christ/Artificial-Intelligence against CoE
Anarchist/Biosemiotic-CodeWriting.
  It is a battle in which the meatspace Army of God forces must be
countered by cyberspace Army of Dog troops.

"DogMongers write biosemiotic code." 
~ Bubba Hughes

-----

  The InterNet is fast becoming the global battleground for control
of the future biosemiotic evolution, not only of humankind, but of
universal intelligence, itself.

-----

Darwin was right in seeing selection as the central process in animate 
nature, but for more than hundred years Darwinists have resisted 
taking the full consequence of this insight. It is now necessary to 
take this consequence and admit the obvious: That selective processes 
presupposes interpretations (with the implied possibility of 
misinterpretation). Thus, to the extent selection is a natural process,
semiosis is a natural process - semiosis goes on all the time and at 
all levels of the biosphere. It may be feared that such a position 
will put biology outside the safe range of natural science, since 
interpretation seems to presuppose the existence of some kind of 
subject-ness. This risk, however, must be confronted through a 
thorough analysis of the implications, rather than evaded by 
repression.

~Jesper Hoffmeyer
 Biosemiotics: Towards a New Synthesis in Biology
 European Journal for Semiotic Studies, Vol. 9 No. 2, 1997, pp 355-376.

-----

  The war between the forces of freedom and the forces of repression
takes place in many arenas.
  In the arena of expression of the life force, it is manifest in
the battle between the forces of free speech and the forces of
censorship.

  The evolution of the InterNet is the evolution of Biosemiotic
Information-Communication.

The term umwelt refers to the phenomenal worlds of organisms, the 
worlds around animals as they themselves perceive them. 
"Every action" wrote Uexk�ll "that consists of perception and operation
imprints its meaning on the meaningless object and thereby makes it 
into a subject-related meaning-carrier in the respective umwelt" 
(Uexk�ll, 1982 [1940])

  The Medium Is The Message
  Information Exchange Is The CornerStone Of Evolution
  Evolution Is The Creativity of Chaos Becoming Manifest

-----

The number of possible solutions for selection to scrutinise, and the 
subtlety of the communicational interactions, will tend to produce a 
no-win situation. As a result selection cannot really �measure� the 
stakes of single players (individuals, demes, or species) in the game, 
but it could still influence the choice of the game itself. Plays, not
players, are selected for.

In the last decade the trend towards semiotisation of nature discussed 
here has manifested itself at still new levels. Thus, in evolutionary 
biology, neo-Darwinism has been seriously challenged by a set of ideas 
referred to as infodynamics (Brooks and Wiley, 1986; Weber, et al., 
1989; Weber and Depew, 1995; Goodwin, 1989; Salthe, 1993). 
Infodynamics in the words of Stanley Salthe 'subsumes thermodynamics 
and information theory, essentially animating the latter by means of 
the former' (Salthe, 1993, 6). The general idea as originally suggested
by Dan Brooks and Ed Wiley is that information capacity (disorder)
increases spontaneously in developing systems, being produced along 
with physical entropy as the system grows and differentiates. 
Since such self-organisation is a prevalent property of our universe, 
natural selection should not be seen as the dominating force of 
evolution, but rather as playing the more modest role of pruning down 
the novelty that is constantly and autonomously being generated by the
requirements of the second law of thermodynamics.

Prigogine got the Nobel-price for his work on the thermodynamics of 
irreversible systems and most importantly in this context he showed 
that in so-called dissipative structures, i.e. systems far from 
thermodynamic equilibrium, ordered states may sometimes arise
spontaneously out of disordered states. Our universe according to 
Prigogine is inherently creative. Due in large part to this
revolution in our understanding of thermodynamics modern cosmology 
now sees our world as a self-organising place, a view which has perhaps
most forcefully been unfolded in the recent work of Stuart Kauffman 
(Kauffman 1991, 1993).

~ Jesper Hoffmeyer

-----

  As CP-CoE neobyte Jim Choat points out, we become Sheeple who
blindly follow our captors through the operation of our inborn
survival mechanism.
"It's a facet of human nature involved in the survival
mechanism. Further, there is no judgement involved, it's an easily
verifiable quality of human psychology that prisoners begin to 
associate with their captors after a short period."

  The only hope for Netizens to resist becoming Digital Sheeple behind 
the ElectroMagnetic Curtain which the forces of censorship/repression
are striving to put in place is for each member of the coming Army
of Dog to mark their meatspace and cyberspace territory and refuse
to go gently into the night when the Oppressor attempts to scare
them into submission with a mountain of laws and regulations which
promise unjust persecution for imaginary offenses.
  A Global InterNet Army of individuals committed to freedom must
strive to create a maximum entropy within which the chaos of semiotic
evolution can break the digital chains which the Statist Oppressors
are seeking to use to bind and repress access to information, global
communication, free speech/expression, and the evolution of the
Universal Life Energy, itself.

-----

  Current CoE mythology indicates that CJ Parker, fleeing his safehouse
in Bienfait, Saskatchewan, after his dog Baby was shot by an FBI sniper
as the Canadian Mounties closed in on him to enforce a "Dog at large."
charge which was trumped up in an attempt to get him to inform on
other CoE and CypherPunks members, left behind a note to his wannabe
persecutors which indicated that he was willing to fight to the death,
in both meatspace and cyberspace, if his only alternative was to live
in a world where CypherBroads were required, by law, to wear panties.
(This bit of information originated with his nephew, Human Gus-Peter,
 and is thus viewed with skepticism by some of the more mature/aged/
 rotting members of the Circle of Eunuchs.)

----
Lock & Loll
Rock & Road 
Chop & Chop

ZenRacistMonger






From billp at nmol.com  Mon Mar 16 19:17:57 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:17:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: alluhu alkbar, sadness, and friendliness
Message-ID: <350DEAFC.4727@nmol.com>

Monday 3/16/98 8:03 PM

Merat

A second postcard went to you Saturday 2/14.

Curiosity prompts me to ask if it or the previous
made it to shiraz.

best
bill


Thursday 3/12/98 7:34 AM

Certified - Return Receipt Requested

Cynthia McKinney

124 Cannon Building
Washington, DC 20515
Office: (202)225-1605
Fax: (202)226-0691
http://www.house.gov/mckinney/

Dear Representative McKinney:



PURPOSE of this letter is to ask your help for us to obtain copes of 
docket sheets from the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals for cases 
No. 94-2205, Payne v Sandia and 95-2204, Morales v Sandia.

All of our legal efforts to obtain these documents, which any citizen
has a right to, have failed.

REASON you are selected to help is that you appear to be knowledgeable
about operation of the current US federal government and willing to speak 
out in an attempt to solve problems.

You appeared Friday February 27, 1998 on  PBS, The NewsHour with Jim 
Lehrer, along with senators Campbell, Hollings, Lott, Shelby Robb and 
representatives Dana Rohrabacher and Harold Rogers.

These senators and congressmen appeared not to support your views because
they are either mis- or not well-informed about US involvement in support 
of Saddam Hussein.

Stories supporting your view appear on Internet at

  NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran Conflict by J. Orlin Grabbe
  http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm

and

 Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore? by Wayne Madsen
 http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html

Madsen begins

   It may be the greatest intelligence scam of the century:
   For decades, the US has routinely intercepted and
   deciphered top secret encrypted messages of 120
   countries

But NSA , and as a result the US federal government, apparnetly 
got caught involved in complicity of deaths of about 500,000 Iranians.

This is the subject of a Federal lawsuit seen on Internet at

   http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm
  
US federal government help of Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war may 
possibly backfire on innocent US citizens.

The Wall Street Journal, March 10, 1998, pp. B1, B9. reports

   A Peek Inside a Giant Germ Warehouse 

   By Rochelle Sharpe

   Rockville, Md. -- They keep anthrax bacteria in the
   basement of a faded red-brick building here.

   It isn't far from the yellow-fever virus, the botulism
   bacteria and some of the hundreds of organisms that cause
   the common cold. In fact, there are samples of 85,000
   different fungi, viruses, cells, genes and bacteria here at
   the American Type Culture Collection, by far the largest of
   the 450 repositories of biological materials scattered
   around the globe. ...

   The ATCC legally shipped 10 vials of anthrax, botulism and
   other deadly substances to Iraqi scientists in the 1980s --
   when the U.S. and Iraq were on much friendlier terms -- all
   with the Commerce Department's approval. ...

   http://www.jya.com/btn031198.txt

The US federal government apparently intended these bioweapons to 
be used against the people of Iran.

You demonstrated on PBS TV a quality identified by Francis Bacon

         The contemplation of things as they are,
                without error or confusion,
            without substitution or imposture,
   is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention.

by your statement about Saddam Hussein on PBS

                ...our man and our creation...

Perhaps after reading the above materials and

   The Problem of Paradigm Shifts - Terrorism and the 
   Threat From Weapons of Mass Destruction in the Middle East
   Working Draft Anthony H. Cordesman, Senior Fellow and 
   Co-Director Middle East Studies Program October 22, 1996

  http://www.csis.org/mideast/terror.html

senators Campbell, Hollings, Lott, Shelby, Robb and representatives 
Dana Rohrabacher and Harold Rogers MAY NOW understand why you are 
correct and they are mis- or not well-informed about US involvement 
with Saddam Hussein.

PROBLEM we face with the US court system is that court clerks and judges
have committed Title 18 felony violation of law IN WRITING in an attempt
to deny us monetary compensation due us for the cases WE WON at the 
Tenth Circuit on Appeal.  

But judges awarded victories to the US federal government in violation 
of Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure.

Cases  No. 94-2205, Payne v Sandia and 95-2204, Morales v Sandia 
were both won pro se on appeal.

We have filed a writ of mandamus with supreme court judge 
Scalia in an  attempt to get the docket sheets for the two above 
cases.

But Scalia will not answer our certified letters.

Senator McCain wrote Payne on December 23, 1997

  I wanted to take this opportunity of than you for you letter of 
  December 3, 1997. 

  Your situation is in the jurisdiction of Senator Pete Dominici.  
  Therefore, I have  forwarded you letter to his attention.

  William, I hope you situation can be resolved favorably.

Lawyers and politicians Dominici and Bingaman are part of a 
problem not a solution.

Dominici and Bingaman have the following agenda

  University of New Mexico Bureau for Business and Economic
  Research reported on October 14, 1997: 

  A  The Gross State Product of New Mexico is $37.8 billion.

  B  The US Federal government sends $11.3 billion to New Mexico
      each year.

  C  For each $1 New Mexico sends to Washington, New Mexico gets 
      $2 back.

THEREFORE, Representative McKinney, we ask your help to get copies
of the docket sheets.

Citizens of the US are becoming more upset with the behavior of 
bureaucrats, the courts [lawyers], and the US federal government. 

Some Americans have no other way to express their dissatisfaction
with US federal government mismanagement of our country except
by violence.

Frederick Douglass either wrote or said on  August 4, 1847

          Those who profess to favor freedom,
            and yet depreciate agitation
   are men who want crops without plowing up the ground.
      They want rain without thunder and lightening.
         Power concedes nothing without a demand.
            It never did, and it never will.
       Find out just what people will submit to
        and you have found out the exact amount
  of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.
      These will continue until they are resisted
        with either words or blows, or with both.
          The limits of tyrants are prescribed
       by the endurance of those whom they oppress.

We chose to use the words and law to hold government 
employees accountable.

Please encourage Scalia to do his job. 

Help get us copies of the docket sheets.  

And even perhaps help investigate further and settle this 
American tragedy.


Sincerely,



Arthur R. Morales                William H. Payne
1023 Los  Arboles NW             13015 Calle de Sandias NE
Albuquerque, NM 87107            Albuquerque, NM 87111

Enclosures
1  NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran Conflict by J. Orlin Grabbe
2  Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore? by Wayne Madsen
3  Swiss Radio International Audio tape, 15 May, 18 July 1994

Distribution
Ben Nighthorse Campbell
  administrator at campbell.senate.gov 
Ernest Hollings
  senator at hollings.senate.gov
Trent Lott
  senatorlott at lott.senate.gov
Richard Shelby
  senator at shelby.senate.gov 
Charles Robb
  Senator_Robb at robb.senate.gov
Jim Lehrer
  newshour at pbs.org





From jya at pipeline.com  Mon Mar 16 19:41:39 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:41:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Cypherpunks Meeting, OpenPGP, and the TIS Merger
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980317034316.010c3f84@pop.pipeline.com>


Thanks to Jim Gillogy we've put a copy of the IETF draft 
OpenPGP Message Format at:

   http://jya.com/openpgp-01.htm  (99K)

And thanks to all who've primed the OpenPGP pump
to boost it worldwide we've opened an archive of 
selected parts (SSM) of the discussion here:

   http://jya.com/openpgp-msg.htm







From gnu at toad.com  Mon Mar 16 20:20:47 1998
From: gnu at toad.com (John Gilmore)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:20:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Bernstein's top lawyer, Cindy Cohn, testifies to Congress Tuesday
Message-ID: <199803170400.UAA02843@toad.com>


The lead attorney in Dan Bernstein's challenge to the US export
controls on cryptography is Cindy Cohn, a partner at McGlashan &
Sarrail of San Mateo, CA.  She will testify on the constitutionality
of export controls (and proposed domestic controls) on cryptography,
before the Senate Judiciary Committee's subcommittee on the
Constitution, Federalism, and Property Rights.  The hearing will begin
at 10AM (Washington, DC time) on Tuesday, March 17.

The hearing will be cybercast in real-time, and will also be archived, at:

	http://www.computerprivacy.org

(Scroll down to the "Encryption hearing to be cybercast" link.)

Copies of Cindy's written testimony will be available on Tuesday from
the EFF Web site; see

	http://www.eff.org/pub/Privacy/ITAR_export/Bernstein_case/

I hope you can attend.

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has not yet ruled on the
government's appeal in our case.  They hope to overturn our Federal
District Court case, in which all current export controls on
cryptographic source code were declared unconstitutional.  We expect a
ruling within the next several months.

	John Gilmore
	Electronic Frontier Foundation

Here are further details, courtesy of Alan Davidson of CDT, :

(1) Senate Committee To Hold Encryption Hearing March 17

Constitutional law experts, industry representatives, and the attorney in a
case challenging U.S. encryption regulations will testify on encryption
policy before the Senate Judiciary Committee's Constitution, Federalism,
and Property Rights Subcommittee on Tuesday, March 17. The hearing, "to
examine privacy in the digital age, focusing on encryption and mandatory
access issues", is scheduled for 10:00 am in the Senate's Dirksen Office
Bldg., Rm. 226.

Among the hearing highlights: Two well-respected legal scholars, Professor
Kathleen Sullivan of Stanford Law School and Professor Richard Epstein of
the University of Chicago, will outline the major constitutional concerns
raised by domestic encryption controls and other policies to regulate
encryption.

Expected witnesses include:

Panel 1: Rep. Robert Goodlatte (R-VA)
Panel 2: Robert Litt, Department of Justice

Panel 3: Tom Parenty, Sybase
	Bill Wiedemann, RedCreek Communications
	Representative of Law Enforcement Association of America

Panel 4: Kathleen Sullivan, Stanford Law School
	Richard Epstein, U. of Chicago Law School
	Cindy Cohn, McGlashan & Sarrail
	Tim Casey, MCI






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From Cindy at mcglashan.com  Mon Mar 16 20:45:30 1998
From: Cindy at mcglashan.com (Cindy Cohn)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:45:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Cohn Testimony
Message-ID: <199803170425.UAA28521@gw.quake.net>


Here is the text of my testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee's
Subcommittee on Constitution, Federalism and Property Rights on Tuesday
March 17.

TESTIMONY OF CINDY A. COHN; 
	LEAD COUNSEL, BERNSTEIN v. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, ET AL.

	I want to thank the Sub-Committee for inviting me here today.  Although
there have been very many hearings and much discussion about cryptography
here in Washington, this is the first, I believe, to seek testimony from one
of the attorneys directly involved in the legal challenges to the
cryptography regulations.

	I've been asked here because I am lead counsel in the case of Bernstein v.
Department of Justice, et al.  With the help of the Electronic Frontier
Foundation, Professor Daniel J. Bernstein has been trying for over six years
to publish on the Internet a simple cryptographic computer program which he
wrote.  He has been told that if he does, he will be prosecuted.  

	We argued that American scientists, be they academics, in industry or
hobbyists, should not have to submit their own work prior to publication to
faceless government bureaucrats.  This is especially so when those same
bureaucrats have unchecked discretion to bar them from publishing his work.
That is what the current scheme allows.  In fact, before we brought suit
those same agency bureaucrats told Professor Bernstein that publishing an
academic paper about his software would be illegal and that putting his
software into a public library would be illegal.  The Federal District Court
for the Northern District of California has agreed with us that the
regulations are in violation of the First Amendment on their face, meaning
that they violate the First Amendment rights of all Americans, not just
Professor Bernstein.  

	KARN AND JUNGER: TWO OTHER LEGAL CHALLENGES

	Two other similar cases are also pending.  The first, Karn v. U.S.
Department of State, is here in D.C. District Court.  The Karn case is the
clearest example of the quip often made about the Administration's
cryptography policy--that it is based upon the belief that terrorists can't
type.  Mr. Karn was told that, although a book containing computer source
code could be freely sent abroad, a floppy disk containing the exact same
information could not.  The second case, Junger v. Christopher, is in
Cleveland, Ohio, and is based upon the government's position that Professor
Junger, a law professor at Case Western University could be prosecuted for
teaching a Computers and the Law course in his usual way.

	RULINGS OF THE BERNSTEIN CASE

	In the Bernstein case we have received three rulings from the District
Court so far, all in our favor:
		1)	April 1996:  Computer program source code is speech;
		2)	December 1996: ITAR was unconstitutional;
		3)	August 1997: New Commerce Department cryptography regulations 			issued
in December, 1996 are unconstitutional.

	In short, the Federal District Court has declared that every single one of
the current (and previous)  regulations of encryption software are
unconstitutional.  

	The final ruling in our favor was appealed by the Administration, argued in
December, 1997 before the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, and is now
awaiting decision.  I have attached a copy of the third District Court
opinion to my written statement for your review.  I hope you have your staff
take the time to review it--it gives a clear and concise statement of some
of the key constitutional requirements that any legislation on cryptographic
software must meet and a better explanation than I could ever give you about
why the current regulations are unconstitutional.

	As I mentioned before, the Bernstein case challenges the current government
restrictions on cryptographic software on the grounds that they are in
violation of the First Amendment.  Although our case focuses, as it must, on
the current regulations, the analysis would apply as well to proposed
domestic restrictions which would restrict or license the creation,
distribution or receipt of cryptographic software.  Indeed, the
constitutional problems which would arise if domestic controls were imposed
are even more severe than those of the current scheme.   

	The first doctrine of First Amendment law which the cryptography
regulations violate is prior restraint of speech.  The Bernstein case
focuses on the  easiest flaws to see in the current scheme--the lack of
procedural protections.  The Supreme Court has long held that if the
government wants to institute a prepublication licensing scheme, it must
contain:
		1)	Prompt decision - no more than 2 weeks;
		2)	Only a court can stop publication; the government must bring a court
case rather than act administratively; 
		3)	Government bears burden of proof in Court.
This comes from a seminal Supreme Court case called Freedman v. Maryland. 

	I should point out that as much as I would like to take credit for our
legal analysis, we were not the first to see this problem.  In fact, the
first people to point out this problem in the regulations were in the
Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel in 1978.  You see, the agencies
have known for 20 years that this scheme is unconstitutional.  Their own
lawyers told them so.  That is why you never hear them mention the First
Amendment in their presentations to you.

	COMPUTER SOFTWARE IS PROTECTED EXPRESSION

	The key point in our case, and in your consideration of any proposed
legislation, is that source code is protected expression for purposes of the
First Amendment.  On this point, the administration largely agrees.  Let me
repeat that--the Administration has not denied that in regulating computer
software it is also regulating the "expressive activities" of Americans.
This conclusion, which is obvious to anyone who has ever written or read a
computer program, is also consistent with what Congress has repeatedly
acknowledged.  Software is treated as identical to other forms of protected
expression in both the Copyright Act and the Freedom of Information Act.  

	From a legal standpoint, the Bernstein case is not complex, nor does it
break any dramatic new ground.  It simply asks the courts to recognize that
the First Amendment extends to science on the Internet, just as it does to
science on paper and in the classroom.  For it is this scientific freedom
which has allowed us to even have an Internet, as well as the many other
technologies which we enjoy today.	   

	OTHER FIRST AMENDMENT TESTS WHICH 	
	CRYPTOGRAPHY REGULATION MUST MEET

	Up to this point everything I've said isn't just my opinion.  It's been
decided by the Federal District Court.  My legal team and I believe that
there are other strong Constitutional reasons which prevent the regulation
of cryptographic software. The District Court did not need to address these
additional reasons, since it agreed with us that the first alone was
sufficient to invalidate the regulations. 

	In addition to procedural protections, the Constitution requires that any
regulation which institutes a licensing scheme, or any other form of prior
restraint, pass the strictest of tests.  Even a claim of national security
or public safety must be carefully weighed against our fundamental rights,
and must be supported with hard evidence of direct, immediate and
irreparable harm, not just conjecture and a few frightening scenarios.  

	Further, aside from prior restraint, a scheme which targets speech on the
subject of cryptography and treats that speech differently from speech on
other topics must pass the tests of strict scrutiny--that the regulation
address a compelling government interest and be narrowly tailored to reach
only that interest and no further.  That is, the government's concern about
national security cannot reach so broadly as to prevent law-abiding citizens
from having access to software which they can use for completely lawful
purposes.  Put into another context, it means that the government cannot
require all of us to deposit our house keys with them on the off chance that
one of us is a criminal.

	Further, the government must prove that their restrictions on speech
actually meet their goals.  Here, such proof would be difficult since
terrorists, pedophiles and drug dealers can simply purchase or download
strong German, Swiss or Japanese encryption software that is freely
available all over the U.S. and the world--over 500 at last count.  If
necessary, criminals could even type in or scan one of the computer programs
printed in the many books published on the subject.  

	THE ADMINISTRATION'S LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS 
	FAIL THESE FIRST AMENDMENT TESTS

	Neither the current scheme nor any administration-supported, so-called
"compromise" schemes proposed so far addresses these First Amendment
problems.  And even the SAFE bill, which is well-intentioned, fails to
contain an assurance of judicial review of any agency decision to prevent
publication due to alleged national security concerns, a key element
required by the Constitution.  SAFE also does not clearly protect scientists
such as Professor Bernstein, but only protects those who seek to distribute
mass market software already available abroad.  This means that American
scientists can no longer participate in the ongoing international
development of this vital and important area of science.  


	ENCRYPTED SPEECH IS STILL SPEECH

	In addition, we believe that regulation of encryption software and
technology violates the First Amendment because of what encryption does.
Encryption allows people to use electronic envelopes to protect their
speech.  The Supreme Court has noted that a state could not regulate ink or
paper without raising constitutional concerns.  We believe that similarly
the government cannot prevent Americans from using electronic envelopes or
require them to use key-escrowed envelopes without violating their First
Amendment rights.  This is because such rules compel them to speak to the
Government anytime they wish to speak to anyone else.  Encrypted speech is
still speech.  The elimination of privacy creates a chilling effect on that
speech which implicates the First Amendment.  

	ENCRYPTION WAS USED BY THE FOUNDING FATHERS

	In fact, in our research for this case we have discovered that the Founding
Fathers used cryptography on a regular basis.  Even the Constitution and the
Bill of Rights themselves were often encoded, as Thomas Jefferson and James
Madison exchanged drafts of those seminal documents.   Cryptography was used
by a virtual Who's Who of the American Founding Fathers--not only Jefferson
and Madison but Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John and Abigail
Adams, Aaron Burr, and many others.  In sharp contrast to the
Administration's arguments today, they viewed cryptography as an  essential
instrument for protecting information, both political and personal.  Our
research indicates that when the First and  Fourth Amendments were enacted
in the late 1700s, any suggestion that the Government should have the
ability to prevent individuals from encrypting their messages, or that the
Government should have a back-door key to all encrypted messages, would have
struck the Constitution's framers as ridiculous.  

	CONCLUSION

	In sum, our legal challenge to the current restrictions on encryption
software is succeeding.  It is succeeding because the First Amendment is
clearly violated when the government institutes a prepublication licensing
scheme which allows agency bureaucrats unfettered discretion to prevent
American scientists from publishing their own ideas.  It is succeeding
because the Courts have recognized the importance of keeping the First
Amendment intact as we move into the information age.  As you consider the
many legislative proposals about cryptography, we hope you will do the same.  

	
	



******************************
Cindy A. Cohn, Cindy at McGlashan.com
McGlashan & Sarrail, P.C.
177 Bovet Road, 6th Floor
San Mateo, CA 94402
(650) 341-2585 (tel)
(650) 341-1395 (fax)






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Mon Mar 16 20:47:29 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:47:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Prologue 8/0
Message-ID: <199803170447.FAA15608@basement.replay.com>



SAHMD -- Prologue 8/0 
---------------------

Note from a disinterested party:
  A quick perusal of the various chapters of "Space Aliens Hide My
Drugs" indicates to me that Timothy C. May will be unable to understand
the chaotic YoungEsque structure of this release of the manuscripts,
whereas John F. Young will be unable to understand the serious, grounded
basis of rationale behind the often confusing, shot-gun blatherings
being perpetrated upon the reader (unless, of course, JFA reads it
during one of  his drug-free periods during which he maintains one of
the most detailed and pertinent databases ever assembled, concerning
the privacy, security, and freedom issues of the day).
  Thus I will take it upon myself to interpret the current Circle of
Eunuchs manuscript which is being spammed upon the Cypherpunks mailing
lists in the interests of ensuring that sanity and decorum do not
gain the upper hand among the spooks, psychotics, sociopaths and
nuclear physicists who use the list to vent male hormones which exceed
the level which normal society finds acceptable.

*****

For starters, "Space Aliens Hide My Drugs," although often spoke of by
the Author as the title of h/is/er evenutal autobiography, was begun
by an entity who was either attempting to provide cover-fire for the
son of gomez during his TruthMonger Soft-Target Tour, or by an agent
of a government agency which was monitoring that tour.

Analysis of the opening chapters show conclusively that they were 
written on an early version of a Sperry computer, using WordPerfect 4.2.
The computer in question had =~= 256K of RAM, situated on an add-in
board.

Prologue 1/0
------------
Written by someone with a comprehensive knowledge of the Author's 
background, but with subtle self-denigrating slams against his
character and history which suggest it was written by someone whose
goal was to cast the Author in a negative light which goes far beyond
that which the Author h/im/erself reveals in the process of viewing
h/is/er life with basic objectivity.
The increasingly violent rhetoric, combined with a challenge to a
female member of the Cypherpunks whom the Author holds in the utmost
respect, tends to confirm that this chapter was initiated, not by
a fellow initiate into the Circle of Eunuchs, but by a member of
one of the agencies monitoring h/im/er, in the hope that s/he would
eventually 'take the bait' and continue h/is/er autobiography in
an open and forthright manner which would lead to an increasing
quantity of evidence concerning h/is/er state of mind which could
be legally used during the course of government prosecution.

Prologue 2/0
------------
This was introduced by a post, allegedly from L. Reed, which seemed
to have a purpose only of implicating  Ms. Reed and J. Tolkoff in
the writing and desemination of the SAHMD manuscript.
Prologue 2/0, proper, is written from the point of view of someone
who was surrupticiously monitoring CJ Parker's attendance at a
Bay-Area Cypherpunks physical meeting.
Its goal seems to be to legitimatize the character and activities
of C2Net and its raghead leader, Sameer, in a way that goes totally
contrary to the Author's view of them as shadowy entities in league
with the Evil One.

Prologue 3/0 & 3a/0
-------------------
All indications are that this chapter was written by, or under the
direction of, Larry Joe Dowling, the Austin attorney who flew to
Las Vegas to warn old Doc Parker that his autobiography had been
set in motion by government entities which were working against
his self-interests.
Only Dowling would have likely been familiar with the persona known
as Justin Case, a musician that Parker met only one time, at a late-
night picking/drinking session at Dowling's residence outside of Austin.
Only Dowling would have been likely to recognize the close affinity
between "The Electronic Privacy Papers" and "Paper Prison."

Prologue 4/0
------------
Analysis of past communications between toto at sk.sympatico.ca and
camcc at abraxis.com indicate that this chapter was written by Alec
McCrackin, a Circle of Eunuchs member purportedly working as a
CoE double agent, deep within the bowels (this week's 'catch phrase')
of the BXA in Georgia, but actually a triple-agent working to expose
the source and goals of the 'True Story of the InterNet' manuscripts,
as well as a quadruple-agent working for MI9 and pulling down some
serious money collecting all of those paychecks...

Prologue 5/0
------------
Written by Bianca, a CoE member renowned far and wide for a pair of
stand-up titties that men would abandon thrones and fortunes for.
"The Story Thus Far:
  (Or so we would have you believe...)" is a classical trademark of
the woman who has 'monitored the monitors' since her initiation into
the Circle of Eunuchs, and who has provided much of the insider
information that is openly disseminated in 'The True Story of the
InterNet" manuscripts, surrounded by details which seem outlandish
and overblown to those who have never experienced the true depth of
the mystery and intrigue taking place behind the scenes of what the
average person views as reality.

Prologue 6/0
------------
This chapter was ghost-written by a resident of the Home For The 
Criminally Insane, who transcribed the barkings of the Author's
dog, Baby (aka - MongrelMonger), who claims to be a Fox Terrorist.
Baby is purported to be the inspiration behind the soon-to-be
worldwide phenomena known as the Army of Dog.

Prologue 7/0
------------
Written by Kent Crispin, a CypherPunk who was torn between his work
as a Government Schill (TM) and his obligations as a full initiate of
the Circle of Eunuchs, until he received a private email from the 
Author, stating that Kent was welcome to 'rat me out' at any given
point in time in order to protect his family, with the explaination
from the Author that, 'I am expendable--that's my role in the CoE.'

Prologue 8/0
------------
This chapter was not written by me...it is an obvious forgery...






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Mon Mar 16 21:08:32 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:08:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: If Tim May fucked John Young, the progeny would write...
Message-ID: <199803170507.GAA18728@basement.replay.com>


Excretion from Prologue 7/0 of Space Aliens Hide My Drugs:
  The only hope for Netizens to resist becoming Digital Sheeple behind 
the ElectroMagnetic Curtain which the forces of censorship/repression
are striving to put in place is for each member of the coming Army
of Dog to mark their meatspace and cyberspace territory and refuse
to go gently into the night when the Oppressor attempts to scare
them into submission with a mountain of laws and regulations which
promise unjust persecution for imaginary offenses.
  A Global InterNet Army of individuals committed to freedom must
strive to create a maximum entropy within which the chaos of semiotic
evolution can break the digital chains which the Statist Oppressors
are seeking to use to bind and repress access to information, global
communication, free speech/expression, and the evolution of the
Universal Life Energy, itself.






From etmp at etmp.com  Mon Mar 16 21:14:05 1998
From: etmp at etmp.com (etmp at etmp.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:14:05 -0800 (PST)
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From StanSquncr at aol.com  Mon Mar 16 21:43:56 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:43:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: On Cypherpunks
Message-ID: 


I just want to say, with all the "nobody's" and "anon's" running around
attacking folk in private, I feel right at home (just like any other list on
the net, the "Know-nothings" are all over the  net).

And I'd like to apologize for my comments directed towards the list when I
first came, I was rather prejudice (against EVERY list) at the time, and my
compliments to the cypher's for your apparent open-mindedness.

It's cool to be here,

Stan,
Stan and the Sequencers





From etmp at etmp.com  Mon Mar 16 23:36:08 1998
From: etmp at etmp.com (etmp at etmp.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:36:08 -0800 (PST)
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From gwb at gwb.com.au  Tue Mar 17 03:35:51 1998
From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:35:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Pauline Hanson's One Nation update
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980217095822.006d3428@mail.pronet.net.au>


Dear One Nation Supporter in New South Wales,

Hard copy of Helen Dodd's book:
==============================
I was surprised to learn that small number of the limited edition, numbered
(150) copies of Helen Dodd's book "Pauline, the Hanson Phenomenon" signed by
Pauline Hanson are still available. They will definitely be sold out after
this post so get in quick.

The cost is Au$75 each and send you emails to:

camint at geocities.com

(As a matter of interest a $20 copy of Pauline Hanson's "The Truth" recently
sold for $250.)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
One Nation birthday party:
=========================
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=========================
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GWB



Scott Balson






From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Mar 17 06:11:43 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:11:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980317141322.006c25cc@pop.pipeline.com>


Markoff in the NYT reports today on the release of a new 
Sendmail upgrade by author Eric Allman that will block 
spam by checking the legitimacy of the originating address 
before delivery.

The report claims that spam is up to 10% of e-mail worldwide,
And that Sendmail is used on 75% of the computers that route 
e-mail, all of which are being fitted with the new program.

What are the chances that this will affect remailers or other 
means of eternal anonymity?

Except Sualk, GL, UB and Nuh, all of whom we now know 
are Otot GinPu Tca as those crazy Syug Irtmid Irun.









From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 17 06:12:12 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:12:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <199803171412.PAA17815@basement.replay.com>


3/17/98

A note to Cypherpunks:

Today I was sent a missive ostensibly from Mr. Toto.

Following are the particulars:

[begin quote]

Return-Path: 
Received: from harrier.sasknet.sk.ca (harrier.sasknet.sk.ca 
[142.165.5.2]) by camel10.abraxis.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id 
XAA02654 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:42:42 -0500 
(EST)
Received: from uymfdlvk (regnsk01d05020132.sk.sympatico.ca 
[142.165.24.84]) by harrier.sasknet.sk.ca (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP 
id WAA21157;
Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:40:54 -0600 (CST)
Message-ID: <350E1A48.6C00 at sk.sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:38:01 -0800
From: Toto 
Reply-To: toto at sk.sympatico.ca
To: Replay Anonymous remailer 

[end quote]

For health reasons I removed myself from the list several months 
ago; now it appears the errors of my youth have returned to haunt 
me.

I had assumed either the RCMP, CIA, FBI, KGB, ASPCA, or some 
other local authority had plucked Toto from the Web.

Alas, this latest message, SAHMD -- Prologue 8/0, indicates the 
torment continues unless, of course, it is a forgery. But then, 
Mr. T. has been known to forge messages he has signed and send 
them direct with screwed up Anon: headers.

This must stop. Whom should I contact to complain about such 
harrassment?

My head is hurting again for the first time in months.

Alec







From billp at nmol.com  Tue Mar 17 06:31:12 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:31:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BIOS, FBI/ERF, Barbara Boxer,
Message-ID: <350E871B.2E74@nmol.com>


Tuesday 3/17/98 6:29 AM

Charles Christopher, FBI/NY http://www.fbi.gov/fo/nyfo/nytwa.htm
John Gilmore

Christopher, I received a phone call Monday morning.

The caller asked me to modify my resume to reflect my experience with 
PC BIOS.

I added the following lines.

  Attended Annabooks University week-long course on ROMing
  BIOS in 1992.

  Sixteen years experience interfacing high-level languages to BIOS.

  Reverse engineering BIOS and DOS for Sandia Labs weapons controller.

  Custom BIOS modifications experience for electronic locks for the
  FBI/Engineering Research Facility using Pentium processors.

The FBI paid my course tuition for the Annabooks course.

  http://www.annabooks.com/

I learned several months after Sandia manager Tommy Sellers, who was
entering the crypto business, and ombudsman Harvey Brewster gave me a 
directed transfer to break electronic locks for the FBI that the FBI 
DOES NOT GET COURT ORDERS to do normally illegal work.

The FBI my FBI/ERF supervisors, Mike Uttaro, and his boss Mike McDevitt 
told me that they believe that the above work is CLASSIFIED SECRET. 
http://www.fbi.gov/

I think that we should get this matter settled before it GETS WORSE.

Gilmore, I saw at http://www.jya.com/acp-pols.htm

BOXER CONTINUES EFFORTS TO OPPOSE U.S. EXPORT LIMITS ON COMPUTER
ENCRYPTION 


  March 4, 1998 

  WASHINGTON, D.C. -- U.S. Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) joined Americans
for 
  Computer Privacy and a delegation of bipartisan lawmakers at a news 
  conference today to oppose U.S. export limits on encryption
technology. 

  The following is Senator Boxer�s statement. 

  �Since the high-tech revolution, Americans have learned that privacy 
  protection is of the utmost importance. Encryption technology is a key 
  component in protecting our privacy - it is the lock on the door that 
  guarantees not only our privacy, but often our safety as well.

Boxer also is known for the following quote

	�Those who survived the San Francisco earthquake said,
	�Thank God, I�m still alive.�  But, of course, those who died,
	their lives will never be the same again.�
	- Representative Barbara Boxer, after the 1994 [sic] earthquake

            Weird History 101 John Richard Stephens
http://www/adamsmedia.com

Sandian Ron Pate and I were seated in a SF airport satellite area during 
that earthquake.

Pate and I worked on electronic tagging for the CTBT.  This used public
key 
crypto.  I used the Cylink CY1024 for that project.

Electronic locks are mostly connected to Pcs.

The PC keeps both a printed record and disk log entrys.

Electronic lock programmers do not and cannot rewrite an operating
system.

Therefore, the simplest way to defeat an electronic lock is to modify
BIOS.  

Intercept the electronic lock programmer call to BIOS, look for a known
credential,
open the door, and suppress the writes to printer and disk.

Not too tough to do.  

But I was told to modify MANY SYSTEMS which I could NOT DO.  

Hirsch, CardKey, Sensor engineering, ....  I was being set up to fail.

Looks like your legal stuff is paying off in political support.

Let�s hope we get this crypto mess settled so that we can all move on 
to more constructive projects.

Later
bill







From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 17 06:37:31 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:37:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: "Must refrain from using a mind": A(h)OL's son
Message-ID: <199803171437.PAA21913@basement.replay.com>


Information Violation wrote:
> 
> from the Bienfait Rectal Examiner:
>    _________________________________________________________________
> 
> A(h)OL, a long, chubby dick with a thick mustache, has pleaded not
> present to two felony counts alleging possession of cryptographic material
> with the intention of ciphering or deciphering.
> 
> If convicted, he faces up to six lifetimess in prison.
> 
> He pleaded not present Wednesday and is free on his own recognizance,
> subject to some unusual conditions: that he obey authority, stay away
> from words, refrain from possessing or using a mind and get
> psychopathological torture.
> 
> Opening the back door of Jim Morrison's former home on a trimmed
> cul-de-sac, A(h)OL, his face reflecting anarchy for a few seconds,
> declined a donut and shut the door.
> 
> A(h)OL's attorney, Adrian Messenger, said the persecution's theory of
> reality was probably the result of 'bad acid.' His client, a
> childless bachelor, with two sons, "is a 47-year-old turd," he said. 
> "He's not a cryptographer. He stays stoned a lot, and he's a pretty 
> recessive pervert."
> 
> Adrian said A(h)OL "strikes me as an acutely illiterate guy who
> wouldn't hurt a word.  He hasn't got the social grace or skills of
> one who would try subtly to peek up a female cryptographer's skirt
> to see if she was wearing panties."






From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Mar 17 06:45:44 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:45:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: GSM Interception
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980317144733.01052c04@pop.pipeline.com>


Below is one of the most comprehensive and informative
sites we've seen on telephonic snooping, with nation by
nation accounting of technologies, laws, disinformation,
deception, complicity, commerce and teletone opps for
MH-moola ka-chinka chinka:

From: "UT11" 
To: 
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:07:50 +0100

Actually 100 Millions of GSM Are Geographically &
Automatically Tapped and Stored 4 Months

   http://www.ii-mel.com/interception

   http://www.dejanews.com  (keyword: location GSM, title: interception)







From rhayden at means.net  Tue Mar 17 06:57:14 1998
From: rhayden at means.net (Robert A. Hayden)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:57:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980317141322.006c25cc@pop.pipeline.com>
Message-ID: 


On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, John Young wrote:

> Markoff in the NYT reports today on the release of a new 
> Sendmail upgrade by author Eric Allman that will block 
> spam by checking the legitimacy of the originating address 
> before delivery.
> 
> The report claims that spam is up to 10% of e-mail worldwide,
> And that Sendmail is used on 75% of the computers that route 
> e-mail, all of which are being fitted with the new program.
> 
> What are the chances that this will affect remailers or other 
> means of eternal anonymity?

Depends on how the remailer is set up.

For example, I own the domain "geek.net".  If I set up a remailer and
messages resolve to "anonymous at geek.net", I suspect it will get through. 
I may need to also have an alias that /dev/nulls messages to
anonymous at geek.net, but that is still a legitimate mailing address. 

I think what they are trying to stop are spammers that have a return
address like "fakename at fakedomain.com" or "your at best.friend".  Those
wouldn't resolve and would just get shitcanned.

IMHO, there's nothing _toooo_ sinister here, yet.  But vigilance is
suggested.
 
=-=-=-=-=-=
Robert Hayden			rhayden at means.net	       UIN: 3937211
IP Network Administrator	http://rhayden.means.net
MEANS Telcom			(612) 230-4416 






From Mia.Westerholm at DataFellows.com  Tue Mar 17 07:12:30 1998
From: Mia.Westerholm at DataFellows.com (Mia Westerholm)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:12:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Data Fellows Lauches New Version of the Famous F-Secure SSH Products
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980317160523.00c5fa18@smtp.DataFellows.com>


Data Fellows Ltd.  Media Release

For immediate release
17 March 1998

DATA FELLOWS LAUNCHES NEW VERSIONS OF THE FAMOUS 
F-SECURE SSH PRODUCTS

The improved F-Secure SSH product family is a unique tool for secure remote
systems administration

ESPOO, FINLAND --- Data Fellows, a leading provider of Internet security
solutions, has launched new versions of its famous F-Secure SSH products.

F-Secure SSH Tunnel&Terminal and F-Secure SSH Server protect TCP/IP-based
terminal connections in UNIX, Windows and Macintosh environments. They
enable remote systems administrators and telecommuters to access corporate
networks via any Internet Service Provider without revealing system
passwords and other secrets to possible eavesdroppers.

"In addition to providing secure login connections, F-Secure SSH Server
secures all remote systems administration tasks by providing secure tools
to replace the existing rsh, rlogin, rcp, rdist and telnet protocols," says
Mr. Olli Voima, Product Development Manager of F-Secure SSH.  "As a new
feature, the secure file transfer application offers an easy-to-use
graphical interface for the safe transfer of files."

F-Secure SSH Tunnel&Terminal and F-Secure SSH Server support the forwarding
of TCP/IP services like pop, smtp (used by e-mail software), http (used by
Web browsers), etc., or almost any other TCP/IP-based service.  The local
proxy server in F-Secure SSH Tunnel&Terminal listens for a socket on the
desired port and forwards the request and data over the secure channel.  It
then instructs the F-Secure SSH Server to make the connection to the
specified service on the remote machine. Automatic forwarding of the X11
Windowing System secures graphical applications.

F-Secure SSH products are based on the SSH protocol, an application level
security mechanism used in conjunction with Internet protocols.

"The SSH protocol is the most widely audited and standardized security
protocol in the world," says Mr. Voima. "Its strong end-user authentication
and encryption leave no room for security compromises. As a European
company, Data Fellows is not restricted by the US export regulations, and
has thus been able to make strong encryption available worldwide. F-Secure
SSH host authentication is based on 1024-bit RSA keys, and the secure
connections use 128-bit session keys."

In addition to being strongly secured, the F-Secure SSH products are easy
to use.  The single sign-on technology makes the handling of multiple
terminal sessions simple. 

Says Mr. Voima:  "Easy-to-use and strongly secured, F-Secure SSH is a truly
unique security solution for remote systems administration."

About Data Fellows:

Data Fellows is one of the world�s leading developers of data security
products with offices in San Jose, California and Espoo, Finland. Its
groundbreaking 
F-Secure product family is a unique combination of globally available,
strong encryption and revolutionary anti-virus software.  The integrated
F-Secure product range provides a complete security solution for
enterprises, and includes file encryption and IPSec communication
encryption products, VPN gateways, SSH based secure remote management
software, and a full range of anti-virus products to workstations, servers
and gateways.  Data Fellows is also the developer of the award winning
F-PROT Professional anti-virus, now part of the dual scanning engine
concept of F-Secure Anti-Virus.   

Data Fellows is privately owned.  Since it was founded in 1988, its annual
net growth of net sales has been over 80%.  Data Fellows offers a worldwide
network of technical support, training and distribution in over 70 countries. 
Data Fellows belongs to an elite group of companies that have a triple-A
rating from Dun&Bradstreet.

For further information, please contact:

Mr. Olli Voima, Product Development Manager
Tel. +358 9 859 900, Fax. +358 9 8599 0599
E-Mail:  Olli.Voima at DataFellows.com

or  visit out website at
http:// www.DataFellows.com

ALSO, VISIT OUT BOOTH AT CEBIT�98 (HALL 3, STAND B46)

����������������������������������������������������
Mia.Westerholm at DataFellows.com 
http://www.DataFellows.com

Data Fellows Ltd.
PL 24
FIN-02231 ESPOO, FINLAND
Tel. +358 9 859 900
Fax. +358 9 8599 0599





From whgiii at invweb.net  Tue Mar 17 07:41:04 1998
From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:41:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <199803171540.KAA00760@users.invweb.net>

In , on 03/17/98 
   at 08:58 AM, "Robert A. Hayden"  said:

>On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, John Young wrote:

>> Markoff in the NYT reports today on the release of a new 
>> Sendmail upgrade by author Eric Allman that will block 
>> spam by checking the legitimacy of the originating address 
>> before delivery.
>> 
>> The report claims that spam is up to 10% of e-mail worldwide,
>> And that Sendmail is used on 75% of the computers that route 
>> e-mail, all of which are being fitted with the new program.
>> 
>> What are the chances that this will affect remailers or other 
>> means of eternal anonymity?

>Depends on how the remailer is set up.

>For example, I own the domain "geek.net".  If I set up a remailer and
>messages resolve to "anonymous at geek.net", I suspect it will get through. 
>I may need to also have an alias that /dev/nulls messages to
>anonymous at geek.net, but that is still a legitimate mailing address. 

>I think what they are trying to stop are spammers that have a return
>address like "fakename at fakedomain.com" or "your at best.friend".  Those
>wouldn't resolve and would just get shitcanned.

>IMHO, there's nothing _toooo_ sinister here, yet.  But vigilance is
>suggested.

Well I think this may add to the problem. All the spamers need to do is
start faking real e-mail addresses in the headers. So now you will have
alot of users bearing the brunt of anti-spam attacks and complaints who
had nothing to do with it.

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
William H. Geiger III  http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii
Geiger Consulting    Cooking With Warp 4.0

Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice
PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail.
OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/esecure.html                        
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From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Mar 17 08:36:13 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:36:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Local Law Oppose FBI on Crypto
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980317163801.0071eac8@pop.pipeline.com>


A point made at Senator Ashcroft's crypto hearing going 
on now, made by James J. Fotis, of the Law Enforcement 
Alliance of America, is that many local police departments 
do not want the FBI and federal agencies snooping on them, 
thus, they oppose the FBI's stance on crippled crypto.

To be sure, they may fear the feds because of local
corruption, but it's a crack in the blue wall solidarity
that the FBI has heretofore vaunted.

Listen in by RealAudio:

   http://www.computerprivacy.org/archive/03171998-1/







From ryan at michonline.com  Tue Mar 17 08:59:13 1998
From: ryan at michonline.com (Ryan Anderson)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:59:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980317141322.006c25cc@pop.pipeline.com>
Message-ID: 


> Markoff in the NYT reports today on the release of a new 
> Sendmail upgrade by author Eric Allman that will block 
> spam by checking the legitimacy of the originating address 
> before delivery.
> 
> The report claims that spam is up to 10% of e-mail worldwide,
> And that Sendmail is used on 75% of the computers that route 
> e-mail, all of which are being fitted with the new program.
> 
> What are the chances that this will affect remailers or other 
> means of eternal anonymity?

As long as this feature isn't turned on, on the remailers, not at all.
All the remailers use a replyable e-mail as the from field, they ust dumpe
anything e-mail to that, so if Sendmail goes out and does a VRFY on an
e-mail, it'll work, but not mean a heck of a lot..

All it really does is force spammers to search for someone's real address
to spoof and harass.  (They can just scan usenet, and pick on random
people if they want..)

Ryan Anderson - Alpha Geek
PGP fp: 7E 8E C6 54 96 AC D9 57  E4 F8 AE 9C 10 7E 78 C9

"With this word of power, I cast thy soul into the void: (void)soul"

print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo "16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<>
)]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0
Message-ID: <199803171722.MAA01561@users.invweb.net>

In , on
03/17/98 
   at 11:58 AM, Ryan Anderson  said:

>All it really does is force spammers to search for someone's real address
>to spoof and harass.  (They can just scan usenet, and pick on random
>people if they want..)

Yep, it's not like they are short on valid e-mail addresses.

-- 
---------------------------------------------------------------
William H. Geiger III  http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii
Geiger Consulting    Cooking With Warp 4.0

Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice
PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail.
OS/2 PGP 2.6.3a at: http://users.invweb.net/~whgiii/esecure.html                        
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From declan at well.com  Tue Mar 17 12:05:29 1998
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:05:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Local Law Oppose FBI on Crypto
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980317163801.0071eac8@pop.pipeline.com>
Message-ID: 


At 11:38 -0500 3/17/98, John Young wrote:
>A point made at Senator Ashcroft's crypto hearing going
>on now, made by James J. Fotis, of the Law Enforcement
>Alliance of America, is that many local police departments
>do not want the FBI and federal agencies snooping on them,
>thus, they oppose the FBI's stance on crippled crypto.

The LEAA is part of the Americans for Computer Privacy effort and was
listed as one of their member groups at the announcement earlier this
month...

-Declan







From cb at dev.null  Tue Mar 17 12:09:16 1998
From: cb at dev.null (Cy Borg)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:09:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: BIOS, FBI/ERF, Barbara Boxer,
In-Reply-To: <350E871B.2E74@nmol.com>
Message-ID: <350EF165.3762@dev.null>


Subject: Prologue 7/0 -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS
From: TruthMonger 
Organization: "It's not FUD until *I* say it's FUD!"
To: cypherpunks at toad.com
CC: hoffmeyer at mermaid.molbio.ku.dk

Prologue 7/0 -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS
------------------------------------------

Bureau42 wrote:
The unifying presence of CJ Parker seems to have disappeared, and the
Circle of Eunuchs is in chaos. This is what's left - the cryptic
saga, "Space Aliens Hide My Drugs!" I can only wonder what, if anything,
this malarchy means. But it's occasionally amusing if nothing else.

  the bureau42 staff

-----

Subject: A.Word.A.Day--chaos
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:07:19 -0500
From: Wordsmith 
To: linguaphile at wordsmith.org

chaos (KAY-os) noun
   1. A condition or place of great disorder or confusion.
   2. A disorderly mass; a jumble.
   3. Often Chaos. The disordered state of unformed matter and infinite
      space supposed in some cosmogonic views to have existed before the
      ordered universe.
   4. Obsolete. An abyss; a chasm.
[Middle English, formless primordial space, from Latin, from Greek
khaos.] 
 
   "But chaos is a condition of creativity, says Zarathustra - `one 
   must have chaos in one, to give birth to a dancing star.'"
   Nietzsche, Friedrich Wilhelm, Thus Spake Zarathustra: Part 1.

-----

[Note from the Editor: CJ Parker, having had previous experience in
 playing a woman's role during his stint on 'Baywatch', has gone to
 ground recently, as have many other members of the Circle of Eunuchs,
 by re-entering the World of Myth, replacing the Parker woman in the
 TV series, 'The Pretender' (who died in a plane crash while giving
 Ron Brown the details of BadBillyC's sexual assault on her).
 This rather bizarre chain of events was precipitated by a warning he
 received regarding the return of Adolf Hitler to power, using the
 same Dimlluminati (The lights are on, but nobody's home...) process
 which was used to sweep Ronnie RayGuns into power as the chief leader
 of the Freeh(ee-hee) World.
 Those who have noticed the stunning blitzkrieg assault of a small
 college basketball team, Valparaiso, on their opponents in the NCAA
 tournament currently taking place, may have noticed the striking
 resemblance of Bryce Drew, their star player, to the child actor
 who was the main protagonist in the TV series, 'The Wonder Years.'
 This is no coincidence--they are, in fact, one and the same person.
 The diabolical process used to implant a respectable, patriotic image
 of Ronnie RayGuns in the mind of the American people, through the
 then-developing psychedelic opiate of Cinema/Television, is, in the
 present case, being extended to reinforce the image of the 'Wonder
 Boy' in an increasingly global environment, by extending the actor/
 image persona into the sports arena--beginning at the college level.
 ("Win one for the Gipper...")
 The 'miracle shot' by Bryce Drew to lift the obscure college team to
 victory over Mississippi was a staged event which required several
 'takes' before being successfully captured on film. The scene was
 shot in the same TV studio in which the original 'moon landing' was
 filmed. The same choreographers were used who worked on The Oklahoma
 City Players last major production, the bombing of the Murrah Federal
 Building.
 When asked for comment, a former Detroit Piston player who is now
 the owner of an NBA franchise, but wishes to remain anonymous, said,
 "If Bryce Drew and Ronald Reagan were black, they would have been
 just another pair of average actors."
 Knowledgeable individuals following the Reptilian Nazi conspiracy
 to emerge from their secret bunkers underneath the AdamAntArctic
 and Mule Shoe, Texas, recognize this quote as proof that the next
 step in this diabolical plot is to put the third clone (TV child-
 actor, college basketball player...-->...) of Adolf Hitler into
 place as the new 'white hope', replacing Larry Byrd as a member of
 the Boston Celtics. This shrewd move will help draw together, into
 a common cause, Fundamentalist Christians, White Supremacists, and
 East-coast factions of the Irish Republican Army.
 Circle of Eunuchs members attempting to expose this grand scheme of
 the Evil One have come under heavy attack recently. Dr. Dimitri Vulis
 KOTM, who was thrown out of the only CoE meeting he attended, had
 his InterNet account pulled shortly after putting up web site images
 of Bryce Drew, of Drew's alleged 'coach/father' and of Adolf Hitler. 
 (Guess who Bryce *really* looks the most like...?)
 A forth clone of Hitler (rumored to be operating under the code name
 of 'Lucky Green' and involved in an incestuous relationship with his
 aunt, E. Christ--currently operating under the alias of Anne R. Christ)
 is being prepared, within the bowels of the crypto-community, to 
 emerge as the future leader of the New World Order--in the position of
 Information Monitor/Director of the United Statism of Mind.]
 
-----
Subject: Re: Freedom. (fwd)
From: Jim Choate 
To: cypherpunks at ssz.com (Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer)

Forwarded message:
> From: Mark Rogaski 
> Subject: Re: Freedom.
> Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:39:56 -0500 (EST)

> : > It's typical of prisoners that they begin to associate with their captors at some     > point. Eventualy there is no difference. Congratulations, you've reached that point.
> 
> Equating adaptability for guilt is a shaky bridge and not handled well by
> blanket judgements.

Actualy it's neither. It's a facet of human nature involved in the
survival
mechanism. Further, there is no judgement involved, it's an easily
verifiable quality of human psychology that prisoners begin to associate
with their captors after a short period.

What it is in this context is the recognition that prisoners of a
political
system will after a fashion begin to accept that system. Just look at
the
cry by many to return to the socialist system after the fall of the CCCP
in 
1990.
    ____________________________________________________________________
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           law and order.
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-----

As a consequence the search for a quantitative theory of evolution 
based at the genetic level, which has been such an obsession for 
neo-Darwinism ever since the work of Fisher, Haldane and Wright, has 
been misdirected. As Depew and Weber has expressed it 'natural 
selection at the level of individuals and the notion of fitness used 
to measure it, is itself poised on the edge of chaos' 
(Depew and Weber, 1995): 
'The fitness of various sorts of organisms is not necessarily, or even
probably, enhanced by superiority in a single trait... In fact, the 
emergence of the ability to take advantage in resource competitions of 
an indefinitely number of often infinitesimally small differences 
creates degrees of freedom, in both the technical and the ordinary 
senses, well beyond what can be achieved by merely chemical and 
physical systems. It also creates more variables and interactions 
among them than can be tracked. It is impossible, then, to reduce 
the components of fitness to any single language or system of 
variables' (ibid, 471).

The number of possible solutions for selection to scrutinise, and the 
subtlety of the communicational interactions, will tend to produce a 
no-win situation. As a result selection cannot really �measure� the 
stakes of single players (individuals, demes, or species) in the game,
but it could still influence the choice of the game itself. 
Plays, not players, are selected for.

~Jesper Hoffmeyer
 Biosemiotics: Towards a New Synthesis in Biology
 European Journal for Semiotic Studies, Vol. 9 No. 2, 1997, pp 355-376.

-----
  It was the work of Jesper Hoffmeyer, in the field of Biosemiotics,
which led to the development of an artificial life/intelligence form
capable of self-development/evolution, at Sandia Laboratories--by
Reptilian Nazis.
  Their Cyborg technology had reached the point where it could finally
be mass-produced when Bill Payne, a Sandia-NISTA employee, downloaded
all the relevant technological files to a fellow Circle of Eunuchs
member operating clandestinely within the bowels of a secret government
laboratory (code-named 'Lost Alamo' by CoE psychophants).
  Although the Reptilian Nazis sent the Shadow back in time to 
eliminate the threat of the Circle of Eunuchs, by eliminating the
Author in a sleazy motel room in southern Saskatchewan, the Circle of
Eunuchs, taking advantage of the Trei Transponder technology developed
by the CypherPunks, made contact with the resident of a Home For The
Criminally Insane, in the same era, and used Biosemiotic theory to
transfer biological communication-information to a digital implant
he had received as part of a government experiment designed to control
the minds of the members of the CypherPunks Distributed Remailer lists.
  The resulting events have long been the basis for certain mythologies
concerning the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs, with the basic theme of
the CoE reality being mirrored from time to time in the mythology-
substitute of the era--Literature/Cinema/Television. (e.g. - Animal
Farm, 1984, War of the Worlds, Terminator (I & II), X-Files, Pretender,
Millennium, Journey to the East, The Magus, etc.)

----

The Bureau42 statement, "The unifying presence of CJ Parker seems to 
have disappeared,  and the Circle of Eunuchs is in chaos." was an
alert to CoE members to pay special attention to a commincation
which ultimately came from a CoE collective known as 'WordSmith':
    "But chaos is a condition of creativity, says Zarathustra - `one 
   must have chaos in one, to give birth to a dancing star.'"
   Nietzsche, Friedrich Wilhelm, Thus Spake Zarathustra: Part 1.

  The issue of chaos/creativity versus order/statism has pitted the
Circle of Eunuchs against the New World Order on a battleground that
encompasses NWO Anti-Christ/Artificial-Intelligence against CoE
Anarchist/Biosemiotic-CodeWriting.
  It is a battle in which the meatspace Army of God forces must be
countered by cyberspace Army of Dog troops.

"DogMongers write biosemiotic code." 
~ Bubba Hughes

-----

  The InterNet is fast becoming the global battleground for control
of the future biosemiotic evolution, not only of humankind, but of
universal intelligence, itself.

-----

Darwin was right in seeing selection as the central process in animate 
nature, but for more than hundred years Darwinists have resisted 
taking the full consequence of this insight. It is now necessary to 
take this consequence and admit the obvious: That selective processes 
presupposes interpretations (with the implied possibility of 
misinterpretation). Thus, to the extent selection is a natural process,
semiosis is a natural process - semiosis goes on all the time and at 
all levels of the biosphere. It may be feared that such a position 
will put biology outside the safe range of natural science, since 
interpretation seems to presuppose the existence of some kind of 
subject-ness. This risk, however, must be confronted through a 
thorough analysis of the implications, rather than evaded by 
repression.

~Jesper Hoffmeyer
 Biosemiotics: Towards a New Synthesis in Biology
 European Journal for Semiotic Studies, Vol. 9 No. 2, 1997, pp 355-376.

-----

  The war between the forces of freedom and the forces of repression
takes place in many arenas.
  In the arena of expression of the life force, it is manifest in
the battle between the forces of free speech and the forces of
censorship.

  The evolution of the InterNet is the evolution of Biosemiotic
Information-Communication.

The term umwelt refers to the phenomenal worlds of organisms, the 
worlds around animals as they themselves perceive them. 
"Every action" wrote Uexk�ll "that consists of perception and operation
imprints its meaning on the meaningless object and thereby makes it 
into a subject-related meaning-carrier in the respective umwelt" 
(Uexk�ll, 1982 [1940])

  The Medium Is The Message
  Information Exchange Is The CornerStone Of Evolution
  Evolution Is The Creativity of Chaos Becoming Manifest

-----

The number of possible solutions for selection to scrutinise, and the 
subtlety of the communicational interactions, will tend to produce a 
no-win situation. As a result selection cannot really �measure� the 
stakes of single players (individuals, demes, or species) in the game, 
but it could still influence the choice of the game itself. Plays, not
players, are selected for.

In the last decade the trend towards semiotisation of nature discussed 
here has manifested itself at still new levels. Thus, in evolutionary 
biology, neo-Darwinism has been seriously challenged by a set of ideas 
referred to as infodynamics (Brooks and Wiley, 1986; Weber, et al., 
1989; Weber and Depew, 1995; Goodwin, 1989; Salthe, 1993). 
Infodynamics in the words of Stanley Salthe 'subsumes thermodynamics 
and information theory, essentially animating the latter by means of 
the former' (Salthe, 1993, 6). The general idea as originally suggested
by Dan Brooks and Ed Wiley is that information capacity (disorder)
increases spontaneously in developing systems, being produced along 
with physical entropy as the system grows and differentiates. 
Since such self-organisation is a prevalent property of our universe, 
natural selection should not be seen as the dominating force of 
evolution, but rather as playing the more modest role of pruning down 
the novelty that is constantly and autonomously being generated by the
requirements of the second law of thermodynamics.

Prigogine got the Nobel-price for his work on the thermodynamics of 
irreversible systems and most importantly in this context he showed 
that in so-called dissipative structures, i.e. systems far from 
thermodynamic equilibrium, ordered states may sometimes arise
spontaneously out of disordered states. Our universe according to 
Prigogine is inherently creative. Due in large part to this
revolution in our understanding of thermodynamics modern cosmology 
now sees our world as a self-organising place, a view which has perhaps
most forcefully been unfolded in the recent work of Stuart Kauffman 
(Kauffman 1991, 1993).

~ Jesper Hoffmeyer

-----

  As CP-CoE neobyte Jim Choat points out, we become Sheeple who
blindly follow our captors through the operation of our inborn
survival mechanism.
"It's a facet of human nature involved in the survival
mechanism. Further, there is no judgement involved, it's an easily
verifiable quality of human psychology that prisoners begin to 
associate with their captors after a short period."

  The only hope for Netizens to resist becoming Digital Sheeple behind 
the ElectroMagnetic Curtain which the forces of censorship/repression
are striving to put in place is for each member of the coming Army
of Dog to mark their meatspace and cyberspace territory and refuse
to go gently into the night when the Oppressor attempts to scare
them into submission with a mountain of laws and regulations which
promise unjust persecution for imaginary offenses.
  A Global InterNet Army of individuals committed to freedom must
strive to create a maximum entropy within which the chaos of semiotic
evolution can break the digital chains which the Statist Oppressors
are seeking to use to bind and repress access to information, global
communication, free speech/expression, and the evolution of the
Universal Life Energy, itself.

-----

  Current CoE mythology indicates that CJ Parker, fleeing his safehouse
in Bienfait, Saskatchewan, after his dog Baby was shot by an FBI sniper
as the Canadian Mounties closed in on him to enforce a "Dog at large."
charge which was trumped up in an attempt to get him to inform on
other CoE and CypherPunks members, left behind a note to his wannabe
persecutors which indicated that he was willing to fight to the death,
in both meatspace and cyberspace, if his only alternative was to live
in a world where CypherBroads were required, by law, to wear panties.
(This bit of information originated with his nephew, Human Gus-Peter,
 and is thus viewed with skepticism by some of the more mature/aged/
 rotting members of the Circle of Eunuchs.)

----
Lock & Loll
Rock & Road 
Chop & Chop

ZenRacistMonger







From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 17 13:13:12 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:13:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PGP assimilated by NAI
Message-ID: <199803172112.WAA03178@basement.replay.com>


Anonymous wrote: 
> No doubt. I offer the observation that only someone doing
> a favor for the government or someone operating from the
> totally mind-fucked perspective of modern mismanagement
> would invest good money to buy a company whose principal
> asset was its "good will" and proceed to completely trash
> that marketplace good will, abandon the world-famous
> name of product and company, and physically assimilate
> the hapless wage slaves working there by another group
> that represents the antithesis of what PGP stood for in
> the minds of virtually all who knew it, worldwide. How
> can this _possibly_ be a good business decision in and
> of itself? Occam's Razor: It isn't -- it's only good in
> terms of what someone may have promised in return for
> destroying PGP. It's a lot easier to see how that might
> be the case than to see how NAI/NG could come out winning
> in the marketplace by cancelling out everything that PGP,
> Inc. had going for it.

  Back in the 'old days', when I had to walk ten miles, uphill,
in a blinding snowstorm, only to find that computers did not
exist yet, I was a founder of one of the first Canadian 
anti-nuclear grassroots organizations.
  Once the anti-nuke movement had progressed to the point  
where it was a viable entity, worthy of press coverage,
etc., the Canadian government began to 'recognize' the
legitimacy of the movement, and to 'fund' it (hee-hee).
  I went to the self-congratulatory celebration party held
by the members of the group I had founded who had managed
to line up at the government trough by abandoning their
ethics and values in favor of a government-mandated policy
of taking a 'reasonable' middle-road in the group's activities.
  I was there for eleven minutes. I spent the first five minutes
shoveling as much free food as humanly possible down my throat.
I spent the next five minutes draining every bottle of free
liquor in sight down my throat. I spent the next minute barfing
everything I had consumed all over the government representative
who was in attendance to make certain that everyone was toeing
the line and not saying 'bad things' about the Canadian government
or the Nuclear Power Industry.

Prologic Management Systems, Inc., bought Basis, Inc., in Berzerkeley
a couple years ago (considered by some to be the main lair of a 
secret organization dedicated to preventing the Evil One from using
computer technology to imprison the minds and souls of humankind).
My research indicated that Prologic was a spook-owned 'company killer'
which specialized in buying out and decimating companies who actually
had a capacity to resist the diabolical aims of the NWO.
When Network Associates bought PGP, I did similar research on NAI
and Network General, and came to the same conclusions.

> ("Psst! Buy PGP
> and fuck it over until no one recognizes or trusts it,
> and we'll throw you a $50 million contract next year
> from our Black Budget!")

  I have a friend in Arizona who asks me for investment advice, and
I recently told him to invest heavily in companies being acquired
by WorldComm.
  My rationalization for his investing heavily in companies in league
with the Anti-Christ was that, when Jesus comes back, he'll have 
enough money to buy him a meal and drinks at the best restaurant in
town, thus redeeming himself.

> This is a Pretty Good Example of why it was a Pretty
> Bad Idea to form PGP, Inc. in the first place. Phil,
> the brave but too-politically-correct middle-aged naive
> liberal guy, is seeing his creation burn to ashes before
> his eyes. Parents should never outlive their children --
> it ruins them, as is part of the game plan here, I
> suspect.
 
> FuckedAgainGeezMyAssIsGettingSoreMonger II

Whenever the government 'legitimatizes' any organization/product, it
is generally for the purpose of co-opting/fucking them.
The government uses the carrot-stick method on the citizen-animal.
First, it gives them the carrot/benefit for registering their identity
with the government (SSN#) and then it gives them the stick/buttfucking
once they are identified and categorized.

ImFromTheGovernmentAndImHereToHelpBendOverAndGiveMeYourNumberMonger






From spectre at anthrax.net  Tue Mar 17 13:27:45 1998
From: spectre at anthrax.net (The Spectre)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 13:27:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Software license detector vans
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


At 13:15 3/17/98 , you wrote:

>Well, you don't have to cover *every* house, just *any* house. THe
>Brits have vans that roam around looking for unlisenced sattelite
>receivers, and it provides a pretty effective deterrant.

That works in that scenario, but you do have to monitor *every* house, and
continually, if you want to catch a software pirate.. in the satellite
scenario, they're just looking for a signal to see if it exists or not.  In
the M$ scheme, you'd have to get the license key and compare it against a
database to see if that license key was in use by anyone else at that exact
moment... it's not illegal to use multiple copies of the same piece of
software, it's just illegal to use them concurrently.


-The Spectre [SP4 w/ clam cluster]
-http://www.anthrax.net/cos
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher
esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
		-- Neitzsche, _The_Dawn_
PGP key available from servers.





From tm at dev.null  Tue Mar 17 17:24:31 1998
From: tm at dev.null (TruthMonger)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:24:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Corporate Children
Message-ID: <350F3DCF.6718@dev.null>


[Bienfait Nutly News] IN A RIOTOUS, DRUNKEN ORGY AT THE COALDUST SALOON,
representatives of Canadian Funeral Home Association celebrated their
success in bribing enough Canadian officials, bureaucrats, politicians
and mobsters to pull off the advertising coupe of the century.
Beginning on April 19, 1998, at 9:02 a.m., Canadian funeral homes will
be able to bid on advertising space on the ceilings of maternity wards,
birthing rooms and infant care facilities across the nation.

Jealous of the recent success of soft-drink and liquor companies in
gaining a virtual stranglehold on the public school and college market,
the CFHA appealed to the North American Advertising Coalition for 
support, on the grounds that establishing a Cradle-to-Grave precedent
for access to the minds of the citizens would be good for the industry
as a whole.
Lou Armbuster, who engineered Smith & Wesson's successful bid for 
access to the prison advertising market, stated, "We are certain that
this will be a major step in preventing people from putting off dealing
with funeral arrangements until it is too late, leaving their relatives
vulnerable to unscrupulous operators during their period of grief."
When asked about the rumor that the "Vote Hoffa" ads appearing on
the sides of the majority of coffins recently was part of a pre-
arranged deal for Teamster Union support, Mr. Armbuster punched out
the lights of the reportwhore who asked the question.

PGP Inc., under fire recently for the fact that their latest version
of Corporate GAKware has a 'comment' line that defaults to "Louis
Freeh for President!", contends that it does not constitute free
political advertising, since the customer has the option to change it.
Nevertheless, PGP refuses to drop their lawsuit against the FrostBack
they consider responsible for hacking their system and altering their
source code so that new versions of PGP installed on Canadian systems
have a default comment line of "Cindy Cohn has a great ass!"

-----
The Bienfait Nutly News is in no way connected to the Left Nutly
News or the Right Nutly News. We prefer to remain in the middle,
in the tradition of our founder, Dick Richard.
-----






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 17 19:27:09 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:27:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Eighth Word You Can't Say On The Internet
Message-ID: <199803180327.EAA11046@basement.replay.com>


Armies Gather by Jeff Elliott 

The most surprising place where anti-abortion provisions have appeared,
however,
                   was in the mammoth Telecommunications Deregulation
Bill. Late in the day of January 30th,
                   Colorado Representative Pat Schroeder made an
unpleasant discovery: a last-minute addition
                   appeared to make it a crime to discuss abortion on
the Internet. 

                   The Telcom Bill already had the controversial
"Communications Decency Act" that made it a felony
                   to mention the seven dirty words forbidden on radio
or TV; that was well known, and much
                   discussed in both the House and the Senate. But this
abortion clause was new, and would make
                   "abortion" the eighth word banned from cyberspace. 

                   The ACLU and 19 other organizations filed for a
temporary restraining order on the same day that
                   Clinton signed the bill. But while the federal judge
ruled, the vague "indecency" provisions were
                   probably unconstitutional and should be heard by a
special 3-judge panel, the restraining order on
                   the abortion section was denied. 

                   Schroeder and others are trying to repeal the ancient
law behind these restrictions, but passage in the
                   rightward-tilted House is far from certain.






From brian at smarter.than.nu  Tue Mar 17 19:47:41 1998
From: brian at smarter.than.nu (Brian W. Buchanan)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:47:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980317141322.006c25cc@pop.pipeline.com>
Message-ID: 


On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, John Young wrote:

> 
> Markoff in the NYT reports today on the release of a new 
> Sendmail upgrade by author Eric Allman that will block 
> spam by checking the legitimacy of the originating address 
> before delivery.
> 
> The report claims that spam is up to 10% of e-mail worldwide,
> And that Sendmail is used on 75% of the computers that route 
> e-mail, all of which are being fitted with the new program.
> 
> What are the chances that this will affect remailers or other 
> means of eternal anonymity?

   I doubt it.  NYT is probably referring to the integration into the
sendmail package of rules that nix incoming mail with forged From headers,
e.g. "you.want.to at buy.this" and prevent unauthorized relaying.  Remailers
generally use a From header that includes their own legitimate domain, so
they likely won't be blocked.  However, while the anti-relay-hijacking
rules are useful (and LONG overdue), I see the the From-domain-validity
change as a Bad Thing, as it will encourage spammers to deliberately
choose existing domains to spoof in their From lines, leading to an
increase in the incidences of sites being subjected to fragmented
denial-of-service attacks, i.e. being mailbombed by the collective
complaints of all those shit-stupid AOLers who don't bother to read the
Received headers.  I've been lucky enough never to have been subjected to
one of those attacks, but from the sheer volume of complaints I once got
when a luser sent a MMF spam to USENET, I can sympathize with the victim
of a spoof.
   Yet another instance of "protection for the masses" actually providing
no real benefit and simultaneously negating the protection afforded to
those few who had previously used the defense.  A similar thing has
happened/is happening with the previously-useful "Comments: Authenticated
sender is" check for spam, which used to be nearly 95% effective at nixing
spam because most known spamming packages included the header, and only
one legitimate mailer did likewise, but was easy to make exceptions for
because it included an identifying X-Mailer header.

-- 
Brian Buchanan                                      brian at smarter.than.nu

Never believe that you know the whole story.






From spectre at anthrax.net  Tue Mar 17 20:12:23 1998
From: spectre at anthrax.net (The Spectre)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:12:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: EMI, Van Eck, etc.
Message-ID: 


In almost every writing I've come across regarding Van Eck, I notice the
phrase "...simply a modified television" or something along those lines.

Does anyone have a document for actually modifying a television set to do
this sort of thing?  It doesn't have to be extremely long ranged, and could
in fact be very short range.. I am interested in performing my own
experiments into defeating this sort of eavesdropping.

Also, would it be possible to scramble the signal into an unusable level by
simply putting another device emanating RF at the snooping frequencies
nearby the machine that you want to protect?  Something generating white
noise at that frequency, but with a purposely built antenna, say a high
gain type turned outward from the monitor, with a significantly higher
power output than the monitor?

Thanks..

-The Spectre [SP4 w/ Clam Cluster]
-http://www.anthrax.net/cos
"No man is clever enough to know all the evil he does."  -  La Rochefoucauld






From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Tue Mar 17 21:53:36 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (TOTO ENTERPRISES)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:53:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PROGRAMMERS WANTED !!!
In-Reply-To: <3504A945.1286@nmol.com>
Message-ID: <350F7879.436@sk.sympatico.ca>


TOTO ENTERPRISES is looking for C, C++, and Java programmers to
write code designed to identify and categorize persons of Jewish
extraction from a variety of government, public and private databases
around the world.

Applicants should be company-oriented individuals who have no qualms
about writing code that contains no backdoors that would allow those
who later worry about the use their creations are being put to access
to the systems of those using those programs.

No cryptography skills will be required of those applicants working
in areas where U.S. exportable crypto is dominant.

Applicants will be able to work from their homes, with only occassional
trips to the Antarctic required.

Applicants who can translate "We're from the government and we're here
to help you." into several different languages will be given preference.

Applicants who can translate "We're from the government and we're here
to help you into the cattle-cars." into several different languages
will automatically be given credit for applicable prior work experience.

To receive an application by email, reply to this message with an
empty message body, and a 'Subject' header of, "Mein Kamf."

(True CypherPunks need not apply...)






From kevin at emarc.com  Tue Mar 17 22:01:00 1998
From: kevin at emarc.com (Kevin Mahoney)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:01:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: 


Reply-to: kevinm at emarc.com
Subject: emarc Research Services

Hello,
I am contacting you on behalf of my company emarc, LLC.
(Electronic Media & Research Consultants) . We provide our
clients with services that utilize Internet technology,
sound sampling (compilation) methodologies and innovative
on-line implementation solutions . Our products and services
include:
 
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Our services provide cost effective, efficient and accurate data collection
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Director of Research Services
emarc, LLC. 
 








From ichudov at algebra.com  Wed Mar 18 04:16:17 1998
From: ichudov at algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 04:16:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980317141322.006c25cc@pop.pipeline.com>
Message-ID: <199803181215.GAA31936@manifold.algebra.com>


John Young wrote:
> Markoff in the NYT reports today on the release of a new 
> Sendmail upgrade by author Eric Allman that will block 
> spam by checking the legitimacy of the originating address 
> before delivery.
> 
> The report claims that spam is up to 10% of e-mail worldwide,
> And that Sendmail is used on 75% of the computers that route 
> e-mail, all of which are being fitted with the new program.
> 
> What are the chances that this will affect remailers or other 
> means of eternal anonymity?
> 
> Except Sualk, GL, UB and Nuh, all of whom we now know 
> are Otot GinPu Tca as those crazy Syug Irtmid Irun.

WRT remailers, sendmail only checks the validity of a domain.

So if a "From " address is "anonymous at replay.com", the message
would be passed on.

I have read the Sendmail announcement from sendmail.org. The new version
is very nice and friendly to everyone except spam relayers.

	- Igor.





From Markus.Kuhn at cl.cam.ac.uk  Wed Mar 18 05:09:40 1998
From: Markus.Kuhn at cl.cam.ac.uk (Markus Kuhn)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:09:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: EMI, Van Eck, etc.
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


The Spectre wrote on 1998-03-18 05:11 UTC:
> In almost every writing I've come across regarding Van Eck, I notice the
> phrase "...simply a modified television" or something along those lines.
> 
> Does anyone have a document for actually modifying a television set to do
> this sort of thing?  It doesn't have to be extremely long ranged, and could
> in fact be very short range.. I am interested in performing my own
> experiments into defeating this sort of eavesdropping.

Ingredients for a minimum cost quick&dirty TEMPEST experiment:

1 RF tuner of a VCR
1 antenna amplifier
1 antenna
1 multisync PC monitor
1 PC with a video card (or a pair of tuneable sync oscillators)

Connect the PC with the video card to the SYNC inputs of the multisync
monitor. Program the video card to a video mode with the same deflection
frequencies as that used by the target system. Connect the baseband output
of your tuner to the VIDEO-IN pins of your monitor. Connect the antenna
and amplifier to the RF input of your tuner. Switch on. Fill the
screen of the target device with a big symbol consisting of dithered and
non-dithered areas for best results in the first trials. Now tune
through the VHF bands starting with the dot clock frequency of the
target.

That's it basically. Such a primitive TEMPEST monitor is of course
unsuitable for evaluating the threat from much more sophisticated wide-band
DSP eavesdropping receivers that directly attempt OCR-style algorithms
on the signal with matched filters. But it is fun to play around with, it
is useful for getting a feeling for the effect, and it is suitable for
demonstrating most of the Soft Tempest tricks that I described in
.

> Also, would it be possible to scramble the signal into an unusable level by
> simply putting another device emanating RF at the snooping frequencies
> nearby the machine that you want to protect?  Something generating white
> noise at that frequency, but with a purposely built antenna, say a high
> gain type turned outward from the monitor, with a significantly higher
> power output than the monitor?

The FCC and your radiologist advise against this. Shielding is much
more elegant than jamming. Remember that CRT content is a periodic
signal, thus you can suppress uncorrelated noise by periodic averaging
rather easily. Good jamming must produce a correlated output signal.
See United States Patents 5165098 and 5297201 for descriptions of
correlated jammers. I don't think, these are widely used though, as the
TEMPEST standards seem to mandate shielding and not jamming, which I
think is very sensible.

Markus

-- 
Markus G. Kuhn, Security Group, Computer Lab, Cambridge University, UK
email: mkuhn at acm.org,  home page: 







From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Wed Mar 18 07:59:11 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:59:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: You've got to save room for desert...
Message-ID: <199803181558.QAA21882@basement.replay.com>


Takes 18 bee hummingbirds to weigh as much as a shot of
whiskey.

==============================================
LMBoyd Web Site / U. S. Newspapers / Start Email / Stop Email 
http://www.LMBoyd.com/postscript.htm







From ass at dev.null  Wed Mar 18 09:55:13 1998
From: ass at dev.null (A. Sheeple)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:55:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: They don't need no stinking privacy!
Message-ID: <35102602.1811@dev.null>


An Open Letter To The CypherPunks:

Due to the large amounts of ridicule heaped upon the Sheeple family
by members of the CypherPunks list, I have decided to write to the
list to clarify a few of the issues on which our family's stances
are apparently misunderstood by people outside the pen.

First of all, we are AdamAnt about retaining our right to privacy,
but we recognize the need for the authorities to invade other people's 
right to privacy, in order to protect us from them.

We demand our right to a fair and impartial trial before a jury of
our peers, but we recognized the need for law enforcement agencies
and the justice system to take whatever steps are needed to make
certain that others are convicted in accordance with the desires
of the majority of their betters, according to the results of the
Sheeple polls taken by CNN and People's Court.
(Note: We, the Sheeple, are willing to do our part, and look the other
 way when those responsible for our protection need to stretch the
 boundaries of belief by claiming that a black wife-beater is not
 a suspect in the murder of his wife and her white lover, as they
 climb over a fence onto his private property, without a warrant,
 saying, "We're white men from the government, and we're here to
 help a Black-Afro American.]

We wish to exercise our right to have security in our private 
communications by employing strong cryptography, but we also
recognize the need for our government to intercept communications
by foreigners, in order to protect us and to manipulate world events
in a manner that will keep the price of our TV's as low as possible.

We wish to exercise our right to free speech, but we recognize the
need of authorities to prevent filth and vermin from using disgusting
and perverted language such as, "Baah...Baah...", instead of righteous
and politically correct language such as "Baaa...Baaa."

In short, or position is that we wish to retain all of our rights
and freedoms, but support them being compromised or taken away from
others, for the good of the Sheeple.

A. Sheeple






From nobody at nsm.htp.org  Wed Mar 18 10:06:02 1998
From: nobody at nsm.htp.org (nobody at nsm.htp.org)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:06:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: fight back at SPAM!
Message-ID: <19980318180502.25156.qmail@nsm.htp.org>


I received some annoying spam today.  Unbelievably, they included a 1-800
number.  Since they wasted my time, I thought I'd call them up and waste
their time (on their nickel!).

I got a recording asking me to leave a message.  I then called back and
it stated that this was my last call for the day.  Apparently they only
accept two phone calls from each distinct phone number.

The phone number is 1-800-338-6150 if anyone else feels like calling them
up and tying up their phone line. 

I'm not going to mention what they're selling, since that would be doing
them a favor.  Maybe when they get their phone bill they will realize the
problems associated with direct email marketing on the Internet.  ;-)

If a honest-to-goodness live person answers, just talk to 'em and try to
keep them on the line as long as possible.  Ask questions about their
product, etc.  The longer they talk to you, the more it costs them!

You get the picture! 

Enjoy!








From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Wed Mar 18 10:06:44 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:06:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Rapist from the Internet Chat Room
Message-ID: <199803181805.TAA12602@basement.replay.com>


   Alleged `Cybersex' Victim Testifies 
   By SAMUEL MAULL, Associated Press Writer
   
NEW YORK -- A woman who says a graduate student she met online tied her up
and raped her in his apartment tearfully described for jurors how she
begged, "Don't rape me, don't dismember me, don't kill me" before escaping.

   In emotional testimony Tuesday, the 22 -year-old woman said she managed
to untie herself from a futon, fight off her assailant and flee.

   "I was sore.  I was exhausted.  I didn't want to move," she said, then
describing how she loosed the cloth strips:  "I felt so good!  I got it
undone and I stood up!  I got it undone!  I looked at him and he looked
frightened!  I'm not going to die!"

   The witness, who said she was naked while tied up, said she grabbed her
clothes and got dressed while running for the door and fighting off the man
who had held her as a sex captive for more than 20 hours.

   "He tried to catch me," she said.  "I just kept fighting.  I wouldn't
let him get any part of me.  I ran to the door and clenched the handle
because I was not going to be tied up again."

   The woman says her tormentor was Oliver Jovanovic, 31, a Columbia
University doctoral candidate in molecular biology whom she met in an
Internet chat room.

   Jovanovic is charged with kidnapping, sodomy, aggravated sex abuse and
assault against the woman in his apartment following their first date Nov.
22, 1996.

   The woman said Jovanovic had tied her up, dripped hot candle wax on her
abdomen and genital area, bit her breasts until they bled and used a
nightstick to sexually abuse her.

   The woman said Jovanovic attacked her after a discussion about good and
evil and became upset when she said she believes people are not inherently
evil.  He then ordered her to undress, she said.

   Defense lawyer Jack Litman said no violence occurred between the two and
that any sexual activity, while it might have been unusual, was consensual.

   He quoted from e-mail messages sent by the woman to Jovanovic before and
after their date in which she talks about sadomasochism in what appear to
be terms of approval.

   The e-mail messages the woman sent to Jovanovic included one that reads
"Rough is good," and another that reads "I would go through the pleasure of
hell's pain."

   The woman testified that she sought out Jovanovic because she thought he
was intelligent, knowledgeable and interesting.

   Litman called the woman unstable and overly imaginative.  He said she is
blaming the evening's activity on Jovanovic to absolve herself of something
she likes but considers dirty.





From phundie at mhv.net  Wed Mar 18 10:36:54 1998
From: phundie at mhv.net (Michael Graffam)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:36:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: EMI, Van Eck, etc.
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, The Spectre wrote:
> Does anyone have a document for actually modifying a television set to do
> this sort of thing?  It doesn't have to be extremely long ranged, and could
> in fact be very short range.. I am interested in performing my own
> experiments into defeating this sort of eavesdropping.

Well, for one.. I don't think (speculation, I haven't done any real
investigation into it yet..) that this oft repeated maxim applies to
modern hi-res monitors with super refresh rates. I don't think that a
TV could be used to display emanations from a new monitor. OTOH, I
haven't looked into modern TV technology at all.. I don't know what
the new sets are really capable of. Suffice it to say, you probably
won't be able to modify an older set to snoop on a new monitor set up
at 1280x1024, but if for experiment purposes to just did a text display
you should be able to snoop that with an older set.

> Also, would it be possible to scramble the signal into an unusable level by
> simply putting another device emanating RF at the snooping frequencies
> nearby the machine that you want to protect?  Something generating white
> noise at that frequency, but with a purposely built antenna, say a high
> gain type turned outward from the monitor, with a significantly higher
> power output than the monitor?

I would think that any device of this sort would make the monitor's 
display rather distorted.. unless you put shielding around it to
protect it, but that same shielding would prevent usable EMR.

Find the Unofficial Tempest Homepage (sorry, dont have the URL handy..
but I found it a few times by searching out the title from altavista)
it has links to Van Eck's original paper, and if memory serves papers
that "fill in" the gaps of Van Eck's work to help in modifying
equipment.

Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net)
http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc
"Act only according to that maxim by which you can at the same time will that
it should become a universal law.." - Immanuel Kant "Metaphysics of Morals"

** This message not PGP signed because I am logged in through an insecure
** channel. Caution may be warranted.






From jya at pipeline.com  Wed Mar 18 10:48:01 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:48:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PRZ on PGP/NAI/TIS/Key Recovery
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980318184942.006dedbc@pop.pipeline.com>


Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:48:48 -0500
To: jya at jya.com
From: Ed Stone 
Subject: PGP/NAI merger and key recovery

I received the following email from Phil Zimmermann, regarding concerns I
have expressed about NAI's acquisition of TIS, a substantial contractor to
the National Security Agency, and a major developer of key recovery
capabilities.

>> begin PRZ email<<<

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:20:34 -0800
To: estone at synernet.com
From: Philip Zimmermann 
Subject: PGP/NAI merger and key recovery
Cc: prz at pgp.com

Ed, I saw your recent remarks in comp.security.pgp.discuss.  I'd like
to make a few points.  You may quote me on this.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Mergers are complex operations, especially mergers of publicly traded 
companies of this size.  NAI and TIS will not fully close the merger deal 
for about 60 days.  Until then, there are many policy details we cannot 
discuss in public.

NAI has no plans to incorporate TIS's key recovery technology in any 
version of PGP, including our business versions.  I have discussed this
point with NAI management.

I have not changed my political values regarding privacy and crypto.
I would not have allowed the sale of my company to NAI if they were 
going to buy PGP in order to bury PGP, as some have feared.  They 
bought PGP because they value the reputation that PGP has earned in 
the industry.  They want to preserve that reputation by preserving 
PGP's product integrity.  I plan to keep watch over PGP's product 
integrity for the foreseeable future.

NAI plans to keep publishing our source code for peer review.  Source 
code publication in printed books is a vital part of NAI's business 
strategy, especially its overseas strategy.  There will be an important
announcement on this subject on 20 March at CeBit in Hannover Germany.

 -Philip Zimmermann

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: PGP 5.5.5

iQA/AwUBNQ+RzWPLaR3669X8EQLuRwCcDowyBBr32YtbsnYSHy6clTW+7CwAnjpk
KnVN0NVreBNuIOyxsAcWIb40
=vY/q
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

>>>end PRZ email<<<
--
-------------------
Ed Stone
estone at synernet.com
-------------------






From jya at pipeline.com  Wed Mar 18 11:20:26 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:20:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: EMI, Van Eck, etc.
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980318192230.006ee93c@pop.pipeline.com>


Michael Graffam wrote:

>Find the Unofficial Tempest Homepage (sorry, dont have the URL handy..

That's Joel McNamara's bountiful and ever-growing TEMPEST site:

   http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/tempest.html

While the work of Markus Kuhn and Ross Anderson provide more recent
unclassified information Joel has a standing request for any TEMPEST
material that is created by research or liberated from tax-pits and fat
corp labs. Some black stuff comes over the transom.

RF and EM offensive and defensive weapons are whitehot in national 
security labs around the globe, and probably equally so in commercial 
cages where NDA transgressors are hoovering dual-usage technologies 
out of MOD's coffers like subway turnstile-suckers.







From this-will-bounce at zoom.nu  Wed Mar 18 12:26:25 1998
From: this-will-bounce at zoom.nu (Anonymous)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:26:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PRZ comments
Message-ID: <199803182030.VAA13078@china.netassist.se>


>> begin PRZ email<<<

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:20:34 -0800
To: estone at synernet.com
From: Philip Zimmermann 
Subject: PGP/NAI merger and key recovery
Cc: prz at pgp.com

Ed, I saw your recent remarks in comp.security.pgp.discuss.  I'd like
to make a few points.  You may quote me on this.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Mergers are complex operations, especially mergers of publicly traded 
companies of this size.  NAI and TIS will not fully close the merger deal 
for about 60 days.  Until then, there are many policy details we cannot 
discuss in public.

NAI has no plans to incorporate TIS's key recovery technology in any 
version of PGP, including our business versions.  I have discussed this
point with NAI management.

I have not changed my political values regarding privacy and crypto.
I would not have allowed the sale of my company to NAI if they were 
going to buy PGP in order to bury PGP, as some have feared.  They 
bought PGP because they value the reputation that PGP has earned in 
the industry.  They want to preserve that reputation by preserving 
PGP's product integrity.  I plan to keep watch over PGP's product 
integrity for the foreseeable future.

NAI plans to keep publishing our source code for peer review.  Source 
code publication in printed books is a vital part of NAI's business 
strategy, especially its overseas strategy.  There will be an important
announcement on this subject on 20 March at CeBit in Hannover Germany.

-Philip Zimmermann

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: PGP 5.5.5

iQA/AwUBNQ+RzWPLaR3669X8EQLuRwCcDowyBBr32YtbsnYSHy6clTW+7CwAnjpk
KnVN0NVreBNuIOyxsAcWIb40
=vY/q
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

>>>end PRZ email<<<
--
-------------------
Ed Stone
estone at synernet.com
-------------------

I'm just curious, and no offense intended, but Phil's signature is bad in the signed message.  I'm using PGP 5.55, and it has his key in it, and it doesn't check out.  "Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'".......







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From jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu  Wed Mar 18 12:52:36 1998
From: jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu (Ken Williams)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:52:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: interNIC is a bunch of fuckwads... (fwd)
Message-ID: 



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:19:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Christian Hedegaard 
To: dc-stuff at merde.dis.org
Cc: kemkidd at clearink.com
Subject: interNIC is a bunch of fuckwads...


A friend of mine put in a request to reg "pimpshit.com" the other day but
it was DENIED by interNIC because it was deemed "innapropriate"..

WHAT THE FUCK?  lets see, fucker.com *isn't* innapropriate? assmaster.com
isn't?  what the hell crawled up their asses and died?  why is a
commercial corporation running the internet?  why is free speech being
taken away by these fuckwads? let me guess, they also will support CDA2.
and any other censorship bullshit that our government tries to "protect
us" with?

goddamnit,. people should be able to reg whatever the fuck they want. from
pussy.org, to nigger.com... I don't give a fuck if it's offensive to me or
anybody, people should still have that very simple right.

so, does anyone know what the story is? is interNIC going to refuse
re-registration for such names as fucker.com nigger.com pussy.com etc...?
or are they just refusing new registration with "innapropriate" stuff?
They'd better refuse re-registration, otherwise it's totally unfair to
EVERYBODY... hell, they're already being unfair to everybody..

fuckers.

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Subject: 68 Million Email Addresses - $99
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:37:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 68 Million Email Addresses - $99
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From jim at mentat.com  Wed Mar 18 14:50:15 1998
From: jim at mentat.com (Jim Gillogly)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:50:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PRZ comments
Message-ID: <9803182246.AA29563@mentat.com>


Somebody quoted PRZ's message about the NAI/PGP/TIS merger deal,
which puts to rest for now some of  concerns about the weird
juxtaposition of companies, anyway.  He didn't address the
issue of NAI becoming a KRAP again.

Anonymous quoted:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
...
> announcement on this subject on 20 March at CeBit in Hannover Germany.
> 
> -Philip Zimmermann
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----

and then s/he said:
> I'm just curious, and no offense intended, but Phil's signature is
> bad in the signed message.  I'm using PGP 5.55, and it has his key
> in it, and it doesn't check out.  "Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'".......

Just a formatting problem.  If you put a space before the "-Philip" the
message checks just fine.  There are several other copies of the message
posted around the Web already with the correct formatting, and the other
one I checked had the spacing right already (which is how I knew where to
look on this copy).  See, for example, the copy at http://jya.com .

	Jim Gillogly





From paladin at lvcablemodem.com  Wed Mar 18 15:24:52 1998
From: paladin at lvcablemodem.com (Eric Tune)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:24:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: interNIC is a bunch of fuckwads... (fwd)
Message-ID: <000e01bd52c5$03f27c20$2a06ea18@paladin.lvcablemodem.com>


>
>A friend of mine put in a request to reg "pimpshit.com" the other day
but
>it was DENIED by interNIC because it was deemed "innapropriate"..
>
>WHAT THE FUCK?  lets see, fucker.com *isn't* innapropriate?
assmaster.com
>isn't?  what the hell crawled up their asses and died?  why is a
>commercial corporation running the internet?  why is free speech
being
>taken away by these fuckwads? let me guess, they also will support
CDA2.
>and any other censorship bullshit that our government tries to
"protect
>us" with?
>
>goddamnit,. people should be able to reg whatever the fuck they want.
from
>pussy.org, to nigger.com... I don't give a fuck if it's offensive to
me or
>anybody, people should still have that very simple right.
>
>so, does anyone know what the story is? is interNIC going to refuse
>re-registration for such names as fucker.com nigger.com pussy.com
etc...?
>or are they just refusing new registration with "innapropriate"
stuff?
>They'd better refuse re-registration, otherwise it's totally unfair
to
>EVERYBODY... hell, they're already being unfair to everybody..
>
>fuckers.
>

Don't that just suck... I was a bit pessimistic about finding
fucker.com, but lo and behold, there it was, www.fucker.com ...talk
about bullshit.  If they will register this, they should register
"pimpshit.com" too.  Talk about "selective memory loss"...sheesh.  I'm
heading to their site (internic) to bitch about their selective and
prejudicial policy "change"...

Eric J. Tune
paladin at lvcablemodem.com
PGP 5.55 and 2.62 keys available upon request.
DO NOT EXPORT STRONG CRYPTO BELOW...OH NO!
print pack"C*",split/\D+/,`echo
"16iII*o\U@{$/=$z;[(pop,pop,unpack"H*",<>
)]}\EsMsKsN0[lN*1lK[d2%Sa2/d0


Anonymous (from anon at anon.efga.org) wrote:

> Anonymous (from this-will-bounce at zoom.nu) wrote:
 > > I'm just curious, and no offense intended, but Phil's signature is
bad
> > in the signed message.  I'm using PGP 5.55, and it has his key in it,
> > and it doesn't check out.  "Things that make you go 'hmmmmm'".......

> You took out the space before "-Philip Zimmermann".  Put it back as it
> was originally and the signature verifies fine:

I'm getting mighty tired of the anonymous motherfuckers posting through
efga.org interfering with the attempts of the anonymous saints posting
through the other anonymous remailers to spread CSM (Cluelessness,
Stupidity and Misinformation) throughout the Internet.

Remember:
"If you're not living in space, you're taking up too much of the edge."
~ No Beer






From genocide at Genocide2600.com  Wed Mar 18 17:13:07 1998
From: genocide at Genocide2600.com (Genocide)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:13:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: interNIC is a bunch of fuckwads... (fwd)
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Ken Williams wrote:

> A friend of mine put in a request to reg "pimpshit.com" the other day but
> it was DENIED by interNIC because it was deemed "innapropriate"..

	I once remember a time when there was this well known story about
"Freedom of Speech", I believe it's only a rumor in todays world.

Genocide
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From brianbr at together.net  Wed Mar 18 18:50:33 1998
From: brianbr at together.net (Brian B. Riley)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:50:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: PRZ comments
Message-ID: <199803190250.VAA29972@mx01.together.net>


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>
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>
>Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:20:34 -0800
>To: estone at synernet.com
>From: Philip Zimmermann 
>Subject: PGP/NAI merger and key recovery
>Cc: prz at pgp.com
>
>Ed, I saw your recent remarks in comp.security.pgp.discuss.I'd like
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>
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Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr
 For PGP Keys  

"May God stand between you and harm, in all the empty places where you
 must walk." - Susan Ivonava, Babylon 5







From anon at anon.efga.org  Wed Mar 18 19:30:29 1998
From: anon at anon.efga.org (Anonymous)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:30:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: 


Fuck U Dickwads wrote:
> 
> Those reporters who step outside of the scratch-and-sniff mentality
> that guarantees a large pay-per-sniff audience of rubberneckers are
> asking questions that have to do with access to 'National Security'
> matters (deemed important enough to destroy the Constitution over) being
> granted to individuals whose main qualification seems to be a great
> set of hooters, or a sizeable donation to the correct political party.

I count on TruthMonger as -my- mainstream news source.

I'llKissYouOnTheLipsButIWon'tPutMyTongueInYourMouthMonger







From spectre at anthrax.net  Wed Mar 18 20:38:48 1998
From: spectre at anthrax.net (The Spectre)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:38:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Software license detector vans
In-Reply-To: <35100ECB.4466@nac.net>
Message-ID: 


At 20:44 3/18/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Standard UPS's do not operate with their batteries "on-line" but in
>standby mode. Because of this you do not get any of the filtering affect
>from the batteries. You can get good "online" UPS's with gel-cell battery
>banks but they cost $$$. Look at some of the companies that service the
>telcom industry providing UPS for switchrooms. Line conditioning on the
>standard UPS's (PC Decsktop grade) is medeocere at best and are designed
>for leveling out power fluctuations not for filtering data leakage.
>
>If Tempest is a serious concern I recomend a dual battery bank so one bank
>can be charging while the other is in use. Physicial disconnects on both
>battery banks between the computer and between outside power grid to
>insure physicial issolation durring operations.

While I agree with you in that total security is only possible if you
completely isolate the system, I think that the original person posting
wasn't referring to the batteries, but rather the conditioning that is
going on inside the UPS.  Any decent ups will put the incoming power
through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming power,
and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get through.

It stands to reason that these filters would work in reverse, since they
are AC filters.  Most AC circutry works equally well in reverse as forward.
 DC circuitry would probably filter out noise equally as well since it
simply won't work in reverse for the most part, it'll simply resist any
reverse current until it blows.

Of course, I make no claims about noise that the transformer itself may
make while it does it's filtering that someone might be able to use to
determine what was filtered out.


-The Spectre [SP4 w/ Clam Cluster]
-http://www.anthrax.net/cos
"No man is clever enough to know all the evil he does."  -  La Rochefoucauld






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Wed Mar 18 20:55:30 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:55:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: MISTY1 and MISTY2
Message-ID: <199803190454.FAA23416@basement.replay.com>



MISTY1 and MISTY2 operate with 64-bitplain text
and cypher text blocks and is contolled by
a 128-bit key.

These two encryption algorithms call MISTY
generically.


        






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Wed Mar 18 21:47:34 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:47:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
Message-ID: <170eb93a.3510b14a@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-18 22:53:53 EST, anon at anon.efga.org writes:

<< I count on TruthMonger as -my- mainstream news source.>>

Who's that, the "TruthMeister? (Rush Limbaugh)"

You would, you're an idiot (any person who counts on any one person as the
only source of news, is an idiot).

Stan





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Wed Mar 18 22:08:50 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:08:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
Message-ID: <5b89711e.3510b439@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-18 23:54:33 EST, spectre at anthrax.net writes:

<< ... Any decent ups will put the incoming power
 through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming power,
 and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get through. ...
>>

BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the initial
spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming power
lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late.  My
suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you anticipate a
need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of black-out (and
screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your power supply to do
that for you.)

Stan





From tristanm at bulletproof.com  Wed Mar 18 23:13:24 1998
From: tristanm at bulletproof.com (Tristan Muller)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:13:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: JDesignerPro 2.5 just released
Message-ID: <19980319070533968.AQZ71@www.bulletproof.com>


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From frantz at netcom.com  Thu Mar 19 00:40:17 1998
From: frantz at netcom.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:40:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19980317141322.006c25cc@pop.pipeline.com>
Message-ID: 


At 8:58 AM -0800 3/17/98, Ryan Anderson wrote:
>> Markoff in the NYT reports today on the release of a new
>> Sendmail upgrade by author Eric Allman that will block
>> spam by checking the legitimacy of the originating address
>> before delivery.
>>
>> ...
>
>All it really does is force spammers to search for someone's real address
>to spoof and harass.  (They can just scan usenet, and pick on random
>people if they want..)

The ultimate end of this line of measure/countermeasure is code that sniffs
out peoples passwords so spammers can "borrow" their accounts to send a
million or so messages.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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(408)356-8506     | lock, then love must be    | 16345 Englewood Ave.
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From jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu  Thu Mar 19 02:11:53 1998
From: jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu (Ken Williams)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:11:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
In-Reply-To: <170eb93a.3510b14a@aol.com>
Message-ID: 


On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, StanSquncr wrote:

>In a message dated 98-03-18 22:53:53 EST, anon at anon.efga.org writes:
>
><< I count on TruthMonger as -my- mainstream news source.>>
>
>Who's that, the "TruthMeister? (Rush Limbaugh)"
>
>You would, you're an idiot (any person who counts on any one person as the
>only source of news, is an idiot).
>
>Stan
>

Well, Stan, all of the news you read ultimately comes from the one person
selected by Clinton to drive The Propoganda Machine up in Washington, DC.

Ken Williams

ORG: NC State Computer Science Dept     VP of The E.H.A.P. Corp.   
EML: jkwilli2 at adm.csc.ncsu.edu          ehap at ehap.org             
WWW: http://152.7.11.38/~tattooman/     http://www.ehap.org/ 
PGP: finger tattooman at 152.7.11.38                       








From jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu  Thu Mar 19 02:36:22 1998
From: jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu (Ken Williams)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:36:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
In-Reply-To: <5b89711e.3510b439@aol.com>
Message-ID: 


On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, StanSquncr wrote:

>In a message dated 98-03-18 23:54:33 EST, spectre at anthrax.net writes:
>
><< ... Any decent ups will put the incoming power
> through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming power,
> and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get through. ...
>>>
>
>BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the initial
>spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming power
>lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late.  My
>suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you anticipate a
>need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of black-out (and
>screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your power supply to do
>that for you.)
>
>Stan

How many times have you been struck by lightning, Stan?  The effects are
showing...

Ken Williams

ORG: NC State Computer Science Dept     VP of The E.H.A.P. Corp.   
EML: jkwilli2 at adm.csc.ncsu.edu          ehap at ehap.org             
WWW: http://152.7.11.38/~tattooman/     http://www.ehap.org/ 
PGP: finger tattooman at 152.7.11.38                       








From whgiii at invweb.net  Thu Mar 19 04:25:58 1998
From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:25:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
In-Reply-To: <170eb93a.3510b14a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <199803191225.HAA21960@users.invweb.net>


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>In a message dated 98-03-18 22:53:53 EST, anon at anon.efga.org writes:

><< I count on TruthMonger as -my- mainstream news source.>>

>Who's that, the "TruthMeister? (Rush Limbaugh)"

>You would, you're an idiot (any person who counts on any one person as
>the only source of news, is an idiot).

You don't have a clue do you Stan??

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From Mia.Westerholm at DataFellows.com  Thu Mar 19 05:06:29 1998
From: Mia.Westerholm at DataFellows.com (Mia Westerholm)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:06:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Data Fellows Introduces the Security Solution for Corporate Networks - VPN+
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980319134441.006a06d8@smtp.DataFellows.com>


Data Fellows Ltd.  Media Release

For immediate release
19 March 1998

DATA FELLOWS INTRODUCES THE SECURITY SOLUTION FOR CORPORATE NETWORKS

F-Secure VPN+ offers worldwide strong security for all aspects of today�s
networking

ESPOO, FINLAND  -- Data Fellows Ltd., a leading software development
company known for its F-Secure anti-virus and cryptography products, has
today introduced F-Secure VPN+, a complete security solution for all
enterprise networking.

F-Secure VPN+ is the successor of the award winning F-Secure VPN, an
encrypting router that enables one to build a virtual private network over
the Internet using strong cryptographic security. Now the F-Secure VPN+
product family is going one step further by facilitating the security
integration of small sites and independent workstations to the corporate
network.  The extended corporate network may include corporate sites,
partners or distributors, remote offices and even laptops. 

F-Secure VPN+ consists of three products: F-Secure VPN+ Gateway, F-Secure
VPN+ Client (for the desktop), and F-Secure VPN+ Server. These components
can be combined to build a variety of secure virtual private networks that
cover all aspects of corporate networking. Such VPNs include the following: 

- Business VPN+: provides a cost-effective security solution for intranet
connections between corporate sites. In-corporate communication can be
encrypted with powerful F-Secure VPN+ Gateways regardless of the network
technology.

- Partner VPN+: offers strong authentication and filtering capabilities for
extranet connections between an organization and its partners,
subcontractors, or distributors.  It keeps unwanted users out and
facilitates secure communication no matter where the data goes to.

- Remote Office VPN+: supports telecommuting as a method of working.  It is
a scaleable and cost-effective solution for securing communication over the
Internet for the Small Office and the Home Office.  

- Traveling VPN+: secures the extension of the corporate network to
employees on the road.  Typical remote networking applications, such as
email, or accessing corporate file servers, can be secured transparently.

- Service VPN+: is suitable for organizations offering systems management
services.  It ensures that only the authorized systems manager can access
the remote system and that administration data cannot be seen or tampered
with by unauthorized outsiders.  Service VPN also provides Internet Service
Providers with the opportunity to find new sources of revenue by offering
VPN based services, or hybrid customer networks with VPN links. Its
powerful management features help the operator in maintaining the customer
network.

"Small and medium sized organizations don't need to wait any more," Mr.
Jukka Kotovirta, Director of Sales from Data Fellows. "They are now able to
build their own networks by using regular Internet connections combined
with the 
F-Secure VPN+ security solutions. Large organizations can also utilize 
F-Secure VPN+ to extend their corporate network to sites outside the
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F-Secure VPN+ is firewall and router independent, allowing for the building
of extranets on top of existing infrastructures.

"The F-Secure VPN+ architecture is uniquely wide:  it is compatible with
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Mr. Kotovirta.  "For the end user, the strength of the product is its
transparency. As F-Secure VPN+ operates at the OSI level 3, which is
invisible at the application level, it does not require any changes to
applications or their configurations."  

The F-Secure VPN+ will be released in June-July 1998.  F-Secure VPN+ Server
will initially be available for Microsoft Windows NT and Sun Solaris. 
F-Secure VPN+ Gateway will operate in Windows NT and Solaris. 
F-Secure VPN+ Client will initially operate in Solaris, Windows NT 4 and
Windows95. The products use the SSH and IPSec security protocols.


About Data Fellows:

Data Fellows is one of the world�s leading developers of data security
products with offices in San Jose, California and Espoo, Finland. Its
groundbreaking 
F-Secure product family is a unique combination of globally available,
strong encryption and revolutionary anti-virus software.  The integrated
F-Secure product range provides a complete security solution for
enterprises, and includes file encryption and IPSec communication
encryption products, VPN gateways, SSH based secure remote management
software, and a full range of anti-virus products to workstations, servers
and gateways.  Data Fellows is also the developer of the award winning
F-PROT Professional anti-virus, now part of the dual scanning engine
concept of F-Secure Anti-Virus.   

Data Fellows is privately owned.  Since it was founded in 1988, its annual
net growth of net sales has been over 80%.  Data Fellows offers a worldwide
network of technical support, training and distribution in over 70 countries. 
Data Fellows belongs to an elite group of companies that have a triple-A
rating from Dun&Bradstreet.


For further information, please contact:

Mr. Jukka Kotovirta, Director of Sales 
Tel.  +358 9 859 900, Fax. +358 9 8599 0599
E-Mail:  jukka.kotovirta at DataFellows.com

or visit our web site at 
http://www.datafellows.com

ALSO, VISIT OUT BOOTH AT CEBIT�98 (HALL 3, STAND B46)

����������������������������������������������������
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http://www.DataFellows.com

Data Fellows Ltd.
PL 24
FIN-02231 ESPOO, FINLAND
Tel. +358 9 859 900
Fax. +358 9 8599 0599





From snickers at mejl.com  Thu Mar 19 05:09:12 1998
From: snickers at mejl.com (Yupin Mungdee)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:09:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 



> >All it really does is force spammers to search for someone's real address
> >to spoof and harass.  (They can just scan usenet, and pick on random
> >people if they want..)
> 
> The ultimate end of this line of measure/countermeasure is code that sniffs
> out peoples passwords so spammers can "borrow" their accounts to send a
> million or so messages.

But that can be defeated with encryption.

Another possible "ultimate end" for the spammer wars would be making
spamming illegal, like fax spamming, and having the cops hunting down the
spammers. But that can be defeated with truly anonymous markets, still
assuming that encryption will be legal.

To really beat spamming we probably need filters that only allow messages
from inside our web of trust. Don't you agree?







From billp at nmol.com  Thu Mar 19 06:05:57 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:05:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: US court system
Message-ID: <351125DE.4F04@nmol.com>

Guys

When Sandia assigned me to break locks for the FBI/Engineering Research
Facility, project leader Peter Hamilton told me that if we got caught
there were judges who would help us.

I was not sure that I believe Hamilton then.  I do now.

Morales and I signed and mailed the petition for writ of prohibition
on the 18th

bill




From info at softexport.com  Thu Mar 19 11:40:17 1998
From: info at softexport.com (Soft Export- Nancy Matte')
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:40:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Your Request for information on JDesignerPro from BulletProof, Corp
Message-ID: <01BD5345.2D145D00.info@softexport.com>


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From ulf at fitug.de  Thu Mar 19 12:01:00 1998
From: ulf at fitug.de (Ulf =?iso-8859-1?Q?M=F6ller?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:01:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: G8 action plan on online anonymity?
Message-ID: <9803191909.AA49210@public.uni-hamburg.de>


Apparently restrictions on online anonymity have been discussed at
the meeting of the Justice and Interior Ministers of the G8 in
Washington, Dec 8--12, 1997 on "high-tech and organized crime".

>From Janet Reno's press release : "each nation
has committed to develop faster ways to trace attacks coming through
computer networks, so that we can quickly identify the hacker or
criminal who is responsible."

What are these fast ways to trace attacks? Did the ministers also
discuss anonymous speech?

Anyone have the full text of the declaration and the action plan?






From mhw at wittsend.com  Thu Mar 19 13:16:22 1998
From: mhw at wittsend.com (Michael H. Warfield)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:16:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <199803192105.QAA27595@alcove.wittsend.com>


Yupin Mungdee enscribed thusly:
> 
> > >All it really does is force spammers to search for someone's real address
> > >to spoof and harass.  (They can just scan usenet, and pick on random
> > >people if they want..)
> > 
> > The ultimate end of this line of measure/countermeasure is code that sniffs
> > out peoples passwords so spammers can "borrow" their accounts to send a
> > million or so messages.
> 
> But that can be defeated with encryption.
> 
> Another possible "ultimate end" for the spammer wars would be making
> spamming illegal, like fax spamming, and having the cops hunting down the
> spammers. But that can be defeated with truly anonymous markets, still
> assuming that encryption will be legal.

	Oh yeah right...  Just like gambling being illegal has eliminated
it from the Internet.  We need to make it UNPROFITABLE and the scum will
slink back under the rocks they came from.

> To really beat spamming we probably need filters that only allow messages
> from inside our web of trust. Don't you agree?

	Mike
-- 
 Michael H. Warfield    |  (770) 985-6132   |  mhw at WittsEnd.com
  (The Mad Wizard)      |  (770) 925-8248   |  http://www.wittsend.com/mhw/
  NIC whois:  MHW9      |  An optimist believes we live in the best of all
 PGP Key: 0xDF1DD471    |  possible worlds.  A pessimist is sure of it!





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Thu Mar 19 13:39:32 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:39:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: A little Paranoid, William?
Message-ID: <48360fab.3511906d@aol.com>


Their paranoia is something else that shows you who they are ("Know-nothings")
-

In a message dated 98-03-19 07:25:54 EST, whgiii at invweb.net writes:

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From StanSquncr at aol.com  Thu Mar 19 13:40:06 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:40:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
Message-ID: <7341d3ab.3511906d@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-19 05:36:18 EST, jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu writes:

<< How many times have you been struck by lightning, Stan?  The effects are
 showing...  >>

That, my fellow cypherpunks, was known as a 'ad hominem' attack (an attack on
(supposed) character, because Ken Williams is too STUPID (after all, he's a
"Know-nothing") to be able to attack what I've said.)

Stan





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Thu Mar 19 13:40:10 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:40:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
Message-ID: <31b0872b.3511906c@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-19 05:11:50 EST, jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu writes:

<< Well, Stan, all of the news you read ultimately comes from the one person
 selected by Clinton to drive The Propoganda Machine up in Washington, DC. >>

And what planet do you live on?

Stan





From n9505834 at garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au  Thu Mar 19 13:58:22 1998
From: n9505834 at garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au (? the Platypus {aka David Formosa})
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:58:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
In-Reply-To: <31b0872b.3511906c@aol.com>
Message-ID: 


On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, StanSquncr wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-19 05:11:50 EST, jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu writes:
> 
> << Well, Stan, all of the news you read ultimately comes from the one person
>  selected by Clinton to drive The Propoganda Machine up in Washington, DC. >>
> 
> And what planet do you live on?

Yar, everybody knows that it is Rupid Murdoc who runs all the news.

Please excuse my spelling as I suffer from agraphia see the url in my header. 
Never trust a country with more peaple then sheep. 
Support NoCeM http://www.cm.org/                   
I'm sorry but I just don't consider 'because its yucky' a convincing argument






From declan at well.com  Thu Mar 19 14:42:19 1998
From: declan at well.com (Declan McCullagh)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:42:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


So I'm told that the new version of sendmail (8.9) has the same antispam
features as 8.8  -- only difference is in defaults. True?

-Declan







From mgraffam at mhv.net  Thu Mar 19 15:22:08 1998
From: mgraffam at mhv.net (mgraffam at mhv.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:22:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: A little Paranoid, William?
In-Reply-To: <48360fab.3511906d@aol.com>
Message-ID: 


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, StanSquncr wrote:

> Their paranoia is something else that shows you who they are
> ("Know-nothings")

I've heard it said 'Paranoia is reality on a finer scale.'

I believe it.

If you think that signing messages is paranoia, you may be right.. I,
for one, _am_ paranoid. I know the practical attacks that can be made,
and I've seen them work and, and demonstrated how easy they are.
Worse, I've experienced them. Maybe you haven't .. and thats good.
I hope your good luck continues.

But when you stick your neck out for something, you make enemies .. and I
have my fair share of mine.. and I suspect that many here have their too
(.. and when I think about it, they're prolly the same guys.. )

If I had it my way, I'd have all email sent to me encrypted. Next to
nothing, I'll take signed messages any day.


> In a message dated 98-03-19 07:25:54 EST, whgiii at invweb.net writes:
>  -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
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...
>  -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>

My keys can be had off of my home page (my rsa 2048 and dh 4096 can be
had off of my hard drive if I am online, else use the 1024 bit RSA key
stored on my provider). PGP encrypted mail more than welcome.

Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net)
http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc
I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not
desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right.
				Henry David Thoreau "Civil Disobedience"

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From mgraffam at mhv.net  Thu Mar 19 15:29:59 1998
From: mgraffam at mhv.net (mgraffam at mhv.net)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:29:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
In-Reply-To: <7341d3ab.3511906d@aol.com>
Message-ID: 


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On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, StanSquncr wrote:

> In a message dated 98-03-19 05:36:18 EST, jkwilli2 at unity.ncsu.edu writes:
> 
> << How many times have you been struck by lightning, Stan?  The effects are
>  showing...  >>
> 
> That, my fellow cypherpunks, was known as a 'ad hominem' attack (an attack on
> (supposed) character, because Ken Williams is too STUPID (after all, he's a
> "Know-nothing") to be able to attack what I've said.)

Actually, I believe it was because what you said was too stupid to be
attacked.. no offense.

The thread was about TEMPEST-related EMR. .. and your quote in question
was:

>BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the initial
>spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming power
>lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late.  My
>suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you
> anticipate a need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of
> black-out (and screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your
> power supply to do that for you.)

See.. now.. you're clearly talking about power protection.. but, you see
we _weren't_ talking about power outages, we were talking about
compromising emanations being sent through power lines.. and as far
as the UPS goes, whether or not a UPS would help such muffle such
emanations.

Two completely different things. You may as well have said "Yeah, UPS is
great. They have good rates on ground shipping."

In which case the response of..

> << How many times have you been struck by lightning, Stan?  The effects
> are showing...  >>

..might well be appropriate.

Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net)
http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc
I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not
desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right.
				Henry David Thoreau "Civil Disobedience"

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From Shane.Pearson at tafensw.edu.au  Thu Mar 19 15:49:37 1998
From: Shane.Pearson at tafensw.edu.au (Pearson Shane)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:49:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
Message-ID: 


Hi Stan,

A simple low pass filter made of 2 large inductors and a
few high voltage capacitors will do the trick nicely.
Which is not a slow reacting device being passive.
Combine this with polyswitch style protection and some method
of discharging a really high voltage to ground and it'll be
even better.

A very cheap design that should be in all UPS's.
And is certainly a whole lot better than nothing at all
for removing harzardous spikes, etc.


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	StanSquncr [SMTP:StanSquncr at aol.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, March 19, 1998 4:59 PM
> To:	spectre at anthrax.net; cypherpunks at toad.com
> Subject:	Re: UPSs
> 
> In a message dated 98-03-18 23:54:33 EST, spectre at anthrax.net writes:
> 
> << ... Any decent ups will put the incoming power
>  through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming
> power,
>  and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get
> through. ...
> >>
> 
> BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the
> initial
> spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming
> power
> lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late.  My
> suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you
> anticipate a
> need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of black-out
> (and
> screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your power supply
> to do
> that for you.)
> 
> Stan





From dave at bureau42.ml.org  Thu Mar 19 17:19:37 1998
From: dave at bureau42.ml.org (David E. Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:19:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> So I'm told that the new version of sendmail (8.9) has the same antispam
> features as 8.8  -- only difference is in defaults. True?

The closest to a noticeable change I've spotted is that the simple
anti-relaying rules (check_rcpt) are now part of the sendmail.cf by
default. (No longer do they have to be downloaded separately and hacked in
by hand.)  There are more complex anti-relaying configurations that can be
specified now, also (for permitting certain parties/domains to relay, or
to only restrict certain groups from relaying).

In other words, not much has changed.

dave


----- David E. Smith, P O Box 324, Cape Girardeau MO 63702
http://bureau42.base.org/people/dave/ dave at bureau42.ml.org

Random IRC Quote:
[topic(#linux)] New MS motto: "Gehirnwesche die Kinder, wenn sie jung
  sind.  In ihren Erwachsensein sind sie Ihre bereiten Sklaven. [TM]"
  (Brainwash the children.  When they are adults they will be your slaves)
topic set by Bascule [Sat Jan 24 05:57:42 1998]






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From: op319 at juno.com (op319 at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:04:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Make 6 Figure Income Working In Your Pajamas !!
Message-ID: <77940725_18189>




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From billp at nmol.com  Thu Mar 19 18:12:41 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:12:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Wayne Madsen
Message-ID: <3511CFDD.42E@nmol.com>


Thursday 3/19/98 6:58 PM

John Young
J Orlin Grabbe
John Gilmore

Here are my notes

  Thursday December 29, 1994 16:45 File MAD1.TXT 

  Memorandum of Record

  At 16:30 I received a call from a

	Wayne Madsen
	3911 Fairfax Square
	Fairfax, VA 22031
	703-876-3081
	        3065 FAX
	wmadsen at explorer.csc.com

  Wayne told me he had a contract to update the Puzzle Palace
  first written by James Bamford.  The contract is with Penguin-
  Viking.  We talked close to 45 minutes.

  Wayne told he saw my name in Wirbel's EE Times articles.

  I gave Madsen some information about my case and where documents 
  can be obtained in the WDC area.

  Madsen told me two disturbing items:

  1	NSA has been inviting White House staff to NSA.   NSA 
	attempts to impress staff with NSA gadgets.

  2	NSA recently invited Tom Clancy to NSA.  Clancy's next novel
	will be about NSA.  Clancy, Wayne told, me is being used as a 
	PR man to obtain more funding for NSA.  

  Madsen also told me that a CRYPTO-AG salesman also got arrested by the
  Iranians for selling them crypto devices which also sent out the key!
  NSA work: called Red Threads or Hidden Threads.

  But let us be a little suspicious.  NSA is fairly good at dirty
  tricks.

  1	Anyone know Madsen?
  2	Is Madsen for real?

  If Madsen is for real, then let us help him with his book.

Madsen recently wrote

  http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html

A former spook did a drive-by of 

        3911 Fairfax Square
	Fairfax, VA 22031

shortly after the phone call from Madsen

The former spook phoned me  again on 07:29 3/16/1998.

The spook did a technical evaluation of the above address.

How may tricycles, cars, shades pulled-down to see if the address 
was possibly a home address.

The spook concluded that the above address may be a 
business.

Let�s all, of course, hope for settlement.

bill







From tm at dev.null  Thu Mar 19 18:33:32 1998
From: tm at dev.null (TruthMongrel)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:33:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: G8 action plan on online anonymity?
In-Reply-To: <9803191909.AA49210@public.uni-hamburg.de>
Message-ID: <3511D0F1.23A@dev.null>


Ulf M�ller wrote:
> >From Janet Reno's press release  http://www.usdoj.dov/opa/pr/1997/December97/518cr.html>: "each nation
> has committed to develop faster ways to trace attacks coming through
> computer networks, so that we can quickly identify the hacker or
> criminal who is responsible."

Remo also gave an ultimatum to InterNet FreehDumb Fighters, while
banging her shoe on the table, "Fuck with us, and we will *bury*
you!"
Talk quickly turned to discusion of how to best stop the leaks
coming from a wide variety of government agencies which spilled
the beans to the citizens about the kinds of nefarious activities
that their government is *really* engaged in.
"If these scum are allowed to circumvent the cloud of secrecy that
we have thrown over our actions, then National Political Criminal
Security will be endangered." Remo stated.
Those gathered lifted the glasses of free liquor provided by Capital
Hill lobbyists, hollering, "I'll drink to that."

Where'sMine?Monger







From tm at dev.null  Thu Mar 19 18:33:38 1998
From: tm at dev.null (TruthMongrel)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:33:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fwd: Re: PROGRAMMERS WANTED !!!]
Message-ID: <3511D4FA.6627@dev.null>

It never fails to amaze me that a person can send a letter to a 
politician telling them that they should shove a crowbar up a child's
ass on primetime TV, and get back a reply stating that their opinion
is important to the recipient.

Once technology is further advanced, I am certain that we can look
forward to receiving replies from world leaders which begin with,
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ButAreYouReallySincereMonger?


To: toto at sk.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: PROGRAMMERS WANTED !!!
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:51:18 -0500

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From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Thu Mar 19 18:38:41 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:38:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Make 6 Figure Income Working In Your Pajamas !!
Message-ID: <199803200238.DAA24210@basement.replay.com>


op319 at juno.com wrote:
> 
>  Make 6 Figure Income Working In Your Pajamas !!

I had a girlfriend who used to do that...does that make me a pimp?






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From dc at panix.com  Fri Mar 20 00:24:55 1998
From: dc at panix.com (David W. Crawford)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:24:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: NETA & exporting PGP
Message-ID: 



March 20, 1998


        Export Law Tested by Sale of Privacy Software

        SAN FRANCISCO -- An American maker of
        data-scrambling software said Thursday that it would
        circumvent U.S. export policies by allowing its Dutch
        subsidiary to begin selling an international version of Pretty
        Good Privacy, a strong encryption program that does not
        provide a back door for law enforcement surveillance. 

        Because the company, Network Associates, is the nation's
        largest independent maker of computer security software, its
        action could have a serious effect on U.S. export policies on
        software. 

        Network Associates' decision to sell a program specifically
        prohibited by the Commerce Department comes at a time when
        the Clinton administration is already fighting congressional
        attempts to end export controls on encryption software for fear
        that such restrictions will hurt the ability of American industry
        to compete internationally. 

        [...]


http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/yr/mo/biztech/articles/20encrypt.html

David W. Crawford    
Los Gatos, CA       

ps
If there is an addres preferred to cypherpunks at toad.com, let me know.







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From die at die.com  Fri Mar 20 10:14:58 1998
From: die at die.com (Dave Emery)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:14:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: reference
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <19980320131536.57966@die.com>


On Thu, Mar 19, 1998 at 11:00:02PM -0600, Mike Rosing wrote:
> Cryptography is a weapon.  With a wire wrap tool, you too can create
> weapons of mass destruction using nothing but untracable legal parts.  
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


	I'll bite, how ?   Crypto is not a destructive weapon - it may
blind the opponent, perhaps even sometimes at critical times when that
can induce him to behave dangerously - but I fail to see how a cipher in
and of itself is a weapon of destruction, let alone mass destruction.  I
see crypto as an entirely defensive weapon with no potential to destroy
anything (except perhaps data when the key gets lost or forgotten).

	Of course you may be refering to other things one can put
together with a wirewrap tool - which isn't really the tool one would
want to assemble HERF or HPM destructive weapons with in any case
since wirewrap wire can barely handle an amp or so max...
	

	

> 
> Patience, persistence, truth,
> Dr. mike
> 

-- 
	Dave Emery N1PRE,  die at die.com  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. 
PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2  5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18






From roberts at traderonline.com  Fri Mar 20 11:41:53 1998
From: roberts at traderonline.com (Bob Roberts)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:41:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: reference
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3512C840.85AA5E9D@traderonline.com>


Dave Emery wrote:

>
>
>         I'll bite, how ?   Crypto is not a destructive weapon - it may
> blind the opponent, perhaps even sometimes at critical times when that
> can induce him to behave dangerously - but I fail to see how a cipher in
> and of itself is a weapon of destruction, let alone mass destruction.  I
> see crypto as an entirely defensive weapon with no potential to destroy
> anything (except perhaps data when the key gets lost or forgotten).

    Imagine in the new realm of white collar crime, individuals are only convicted
because of evidence.  Evidence that can't be decrypted cannot be used.  I see that
going back to defense, but on the wrong side.







From cryptech at Mcs.Net  Fri Mar 20 11:46:35 1998
From: cryptech at Mcs.Net (Mike Rosing)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:46:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: reference
In-Reply-To: <19980320131536.57966@die.com>
Message-ID: 



On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Dave Emery wrote:

> 	I'll bite, how ?   Crypto is not a destructive weapon - it may
> blind the opponent, perhaps even sometimes at critical times when that
> can induce him to behave dangerously - but I fail to see how a cipher in
> and of itself is a weapon of destruction, let alone mass destruction.  I
> see crypto as an entirely defensive weapon with no potential to destroy
> anything (except perhaps data when the key gets lost or forgotten).

By government fiat, not by reality.  Crypto is *classified* as a weapon,
so you stick a processor in a box with a keypad and scramble inputs to
outputs and you have a device which is on the munitions list along with
tanks and jet fighters.  Pistols and rifles aren't weapons of mass
destruction so they aren't on the munitions list, but crypto is.  So, by
fiat, it is a "weapon of mass destruction".

it's Sarcasim dude, and points out how stupid the law can be.  I'll take a
battery operated wire wrap tool, but even a hand job and candle light will
do.

As for the high explosives, processors are good at timing.  You can build
a pretty cheap detonator with some fancy properties using a $10 processor
chip.  With a couple of transistors you'll get more than enough current
to do the job, the wires won't be connected that long :-)

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike







From tm at dev.null  Fri Mar 20 12:28:15 1998
From: tm at dev.null (TruthMonger)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:28:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Does Spamming Really Exist? / Re: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3512E780.5FBD@dev.null>


Yupin Mungdee wrote:
> 
> Another possible "ultimate end" for the spammer wars would be making
> spamming illegal, like fax spamming, and having the cops hunting down the
> spammers. But that can be defeated with truly anonymous markets, still
> assuming that encryption will be legal.

Spamming is an 'imaginary' felony, as are anonymity and encryption.

The only real crime taking place on the InterNet is the marriage of
an underage technology to a polygamous pen full of Sheeple whose
dowry consists of an evolutionary heritage of worshipping whatever
it is that they don't understand and following the Ram(it up your
ass) with the biggest horns and the loudest bleat.

> To really beat spamming we probably need filters that only allow messages
> from inside our web of trust. Don't you agree?

Complaining about 'spamming' is the equivalent of going to a Reservation
and complaining that "there's too damn many Indians" around.

"Doctor, it hurts when I do *this*..."
	"Then don't do *that*!"

I don't post under my own name on USENET for a simple reason. When I do,
I get mountains of spam.
I do subscribe to cypherpunks through an unfilted toad.com and I get a
few niggling spams a day that merely serve to remind me that the
'spammers'
are out there, laying in wait.

I don't live in Los Angelos for a simple reason. Within the first week
of
driving in traffic there, I would take out an Uzi and start blowing the
other drivers away at random.
I do make occassional forays into large cities such as LA and Phoenix
when
I want/need to do business or pleasure there, but when merely passing
through, I do so at 4 a.m., in order to avoid the 'road spam'.

The WorldWide Web is just that...a 'web'. If you want to traverse every
part of it, just 'surfing' without using any kind of judgement or
discrimination, then you can expect to get 'stuck' with whatever kind
of substance is being used by those constructing that particular part
of the web.
When I go into the part of the web that John Perry has thrown his
Net over and marked as his territory, my gut-reaction is to think of
him as a dickhead, Nazi censor. Realistically, this would be true
if he trod over to my few strands of webspace and tried to rule over
it, but my willfully traversing into his domain and whining about
how he acts within it is nothing more than egoism.
Those who choose to participate with John Perry in the construction
and maintenance of the web of trust/competency that he is involved
in have certain expectations of free communications versus limitations
of speech and action. Those who choose to participate in the 
construction/destruction of the CypherPunks lists can expect to be
barraged by all manner of sanity/insanity, and to have to judge the 
value of the list for themselves in deciding whether to stay or to 
leave. (Relying on the CypherPunks Complaint Department to 'solve'
this or that 'problem' is not a viable option.)

"Doctor, I get 'spammed' when I go there..."
	"Then don't go there..."

OldDocMonger






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Fri Mar 20 12:28:39 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:28:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
Message-ID: <199803202028.VAA16207@basement.replay.com>


William H. Geiger III wrote:
> 
> You don't have a clue do you Stan??

Stan, whose mind is held hostage by the heathens at A(h)OL, has not
yet been visited by the revemissionlutionaries of the Army of Dog,
and thus does not realize that the ClueServer died for his sins.

Thus, his body and soul are destined to boil in a big black pot
forged from the melted remains of his own kettles, and fired by
the burning ears of those he has maligned behind their backs, as
are all those who spread FUD out of cluelessness, instead of out
of a genuine desire to be a rabble-rousing shit-disturber.

CardinalBadSpellingMonger







From rdew at el.nec.com  Fri Mar 20 13:09:10 1998
From: rdew at el.nec.com (Bob De Witt)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:09:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
Message-ID: <199803202103.NAA06318@yginsburg.el.nec.com>


All,

I cannot remember all of the equations that go into this, and only a very
simplistic approach follows, but ...

If your surge protector is a semi-conductor, it probably will be 
self-limiting.  That is, it will reach a maximum block, and pass
whatever is above that.  A Trans-sorb device, and those chemical ones, 
all limit what they do based upon a total absorption.  A lot of little
ones kills it the same as a single big one.  None of these tell you 
they are no longer operable.

However, if the UPS is properly built, it will have an inductor as the
leading serial device in a set of 'things'.  I would expect a set of
capacitors, in parallel with my load, on either side, appropriately 
sized.  The battery that makes the 'U' in the UPS acts like another
capacitor.  These act as fast as the spike, ALWAYS.  The sizes and number
of components requires some calculations (testing does NOT hurt, either).

Stan needs to review his basic electronics.  Yes, it will even protect
against lighting if designed for that purpose.  Costs vary accordingly ...

Bob De Witt,
rdew at el.nec.com
The views expressed herein are my own,
and are not attributable to any other
source, be it employer, friend or foe.


> From StanSquncr at aol.com Wed Mar 18 22:44:02 1998
> From: StanSquncr 
> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:59:19 EST
> To: spectre at anthrax.net, cypherpunks at toad.com
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Subject: Re: UPSs
> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
> 
> In a message dated 98-03-18 23:54:33 EST, spectre at anthrax.net writes:
> 
> << ... Any decent ups will put the incoming power
>  through a "conditioner" that will filter out noise in the incoming power,
>  and rebuild the wave so that transient sags and spikes don't get through. ...
> >>
> 
> BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the initial
> spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming power
> lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late.  My
> suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you anticipate a
> need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of black-out (and
> screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your power supply to do
> that for you.)
> 
> Stan
> 





From spectre at anthrax.net  Fri Mar 20 13:23:58 1998
From: spectre at anthrax.net (The Spectre)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:23:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs (yeah, it's off topic)
In-Reply-To: <199803202103.NAA06318@yginsburg.el.nec.com>
Message-ID: 


At 16:03 3/20/98 , Bob De Witt wrote:

>Stan needs to review his basic electronics.  Yes, it will even protect
>against lighting if designed for that purpose.  Costs vary accordingly ...

I think stan just confused UPS's with power strips.

most of them don't have a switching time fast enough to stop lightning.


-The Spectre [SP4 w/ clam cluster]
-http://www.anthrax.net/cos
"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher
esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."
		-- Neitzsche, _The_Dawn_
PGP key available from servers.





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Fri Mar 20 13:51:50 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:51:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
Message-ID: <9300db85.3512e4bd@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-19 18:48:51 EST, Shane.Pearson at tafensw.edu.au writes:

<< A simple low pass filter made of 2 large inductors and a
 few high voltage capacitors will do the trick nicely. >>

Right.  The filtering that's already in the power-supply (except that the
switching transformer isn't as big as an inductor as a normal old-style power
transformer.

Stan





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Fri Mar 20 13:52:07 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:52:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: A little Paranoid, William?
Message-ID: 


In a message dated 98-03-19 18:21:57 EST, mgraffam at mhv.net writes:

<< I've heard it said 'Paranoia is reality on a finer scale.'
 
 I believe it.
 
 If you think that signing messages is paranoia, you may be right.. I,
 for one, _am_ paranoid. I know the practical attacks that can be made,
 and I've seen them work and, and demonstrated how easy they are.
 Worse, I've experienced them. Maybe you haven't .. and thats good.
 I hope your good luck continues. >>

Actually, my presence here amongst the cypherpunks is a direct RESULT of one
of those attacks.  But I can deal with it without getting paranoid.

And you might be correct about paranoia and reality.

Stan





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Fri Mar 20 13:52:29 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:52:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
Message-ID: <51df9de8.3512e4c1@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-20 15:56:14 EST, nobody at REPLAY.COM writes:

<< Stan, whose mind is held hostage by the heathens at A(h)OL, >>

You idiot, AOL is with YOU (AOL is part of the 'vast right-wing conspiracy')!

See my political page.

Stan,
http://members.aol.com/StanSquncr/





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Fri Mar 20 13:52:38 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:52:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Chicken "anons" and "nobody's"
Message-ID: 


In a message dated 98-03-19 16:58:32 EST, n9505834 at garbo.nepean.uws.edu.au
writes:

<< > << Well, Stan, all of the news you read ultimately comes from the one
person
 >  selected by Clinton to drive The Propoganda Machine up in Washington, DC.
>>
 > 
 > And what planet do you live on?
 
 Yar, everybody knows that it is Rupid Murdoc who runs all the news. >>

Well, he runs a large part of the 'show' (Fox news (which has on all the
Republican't favorites on sundays)).

Stan





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Fri Mar 20 13:52:40 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:52:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
Message-ID: <76f6bc68.3512e4bd@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-19 18:29:55 EST, mgraffam at mhv.net writes:

<< >BUT, even the fastest electronics cannot respond fast enough to the
initial
 >spike, if that spike is too high in the first place (if your incoming power
 >lines get hit by lightning, for instance), it's already too late.  My
 >suggestion, don't trust a UPS to eliminate spikes, get it if you
 > anticipate a need for back-up power to shut down your system in case of
 > black-out (and screw the surge protectors, trust the filtering in your
 > power supply to do that for you.)
 
 See.. now.. you're clearly talking about power protection.. but, you see
 we _weren't_ talking about power outages, we were talking about
 compromising emanations being sent through power lines.. and as far
 as the UPS goes, whether or not a UPS would help such muffle such
 emanations. >>

Right.  That's why I pointed out that you shouldn't use a UPS and expect it to
prevent large surges (such as the type that occurs when lightning hits your
incoming power.

So, my statement was NOT stupid, your attack on it was.  :-)

Stan





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Fri Mar 20 13:54:44 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:54:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs (yeah, it's off topic)
Message-ID: <10a39b7a.3512e54d@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-20 16:23:56 EST, spectre at anthrax.net writes:

<< At 16:03 3/20/98 , Bob De Witt wrote:
 
 >Stan needs to review his basic electronics.  Yes, it will even protect
 >against lighting if designed for that purpose.  Costs vary accordingly ...
 
 I think stan just confused UPS's with power strips. >>

Obviously, you're just confused.   :-)
 
<< PGP key available from servers. >>

So where's your PGP signiture?

Stan





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Fri Mar 20 13:56:24 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:56:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
Message-ID: <24e219e8.3512e4c1@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-20 16:04:24 EST, rdew at el.nec.com writes:

<< If your surge protector is a semi-conductor, it probably will be 
 self-limiting.  That is, it will reach a maximum block, and pass
 whatever is above that.  >>

Yes, but what you fail to point out, is the reason it will pass everything, it
will have been blown (shorted, most likely).

So, because you failed to point this out, I figure the rest of your response
isn't worth responding to.

Stan





From david at infocom.com  Fri Mar 20 14:06:36 1998
From: david at infocom.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:06:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Does Spamming Really Exist? / Re: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: <3512E780.5FBD@dev.null>
Message-ID: 


On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, TruthMonger wrote:

> Spamming is an 'imaginary' felony, as are anonymity and encryption.

Spamming is theft of services, sir.  I am forced to pay for a "service"
that I did not request.  I, and everyone else, pays for spam either
directly in connect time, or because my ISP wastes bandwidth handling the
stuff.  I am not that much bothered by that it is advertising, or pure
junk, but that I pay for it.

> > To really beat spamming we probably need filters that only allow messages
> > from inside our web of trust. Don't you agree?

Make people bear the true cost of spam, and it will stop.






From spectre at anthrax.net  Fri Mar 20 14:15:14 1998
From: spectre at anthrax.net (The Spectre)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:15:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs (yeah, it's off topic)
In-Reply-To: <10a39b7a.3512e54d@aol.com>
Message-ID: 


At 16:53 3/20/98 -0500, StanSquncr wrote:

>Obviously, you're just confused.   :-)

hmm?  heh.. hey, I was just trying to help you out man.. I haven't heard of
a UPS that won't protect against a lightning strike..

>So where's your PGP signiture?

I get bitched at by list members when I sign my messages.. :)  If I have
something important to say, I'll sign it.. same goes if people start faking
them, so far no one has.


-The Spectre [SP4 w/ Clam Cluster]
-http://www.anthrax.net/cos
"No man is clever enough to know all the evil he does."  -  La Rochefoucauld






From ian at deepwell.com  Fri Mar 20 14:32:06 1998
From: ian at deepwell.com (Ian Briggs)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:32:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Does Spamming Really Exist? / Re: Will New Sendmail Block Remailers?
In-Reply-To: <3512E780.5FBD@dev.null>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980319142712.0095f1e8@deepwell.com>


>> Spamming is an 'imaginary' felony, as are anonymity and encryption.

No, its actually theft of services.  

Imagine if I called you collect anytime I was out and about and your phone
automatically accepted the charge.  Then I spent a couple minutes filling
you in on my day, and how I felt.

The end of the month you get a couple hundred dollar collect bill.  

Not to mention that you don't have call waiting and there may have been
important phone calls that will have to call back later.

Then imagine I stole your cell phone to call you collect while I roamed
around other cities and filled you in on how I felt about the day so far.

And you used your Cell phone for work, and lots of people were calling you
but you weren't getting the messages, and you ended up loosing customers.


1.  ISP pay for bandwidth.
	If your outside the US 128Kbps lines can go upwards of several thousand 	a
month.
2.  Spammers relay through other ISP mail servers.
	This usually kills their mail server, or they get added to Paul Vixie's
blackhole list.
3.  It wastes ISP time.
	ISP get dozens of complaints a day and have to explain to every newbie
exactly what spam is, why they got it, etc. etc.

I know, im an ISP.

Ian





From rwright at adnetsol.com  Fri Mar 20 14:58:30 1998
From: rwright at adnetsol.com (Ross Wright)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:58:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Does Spamming Really Exist? / Re: Will New Sendmail Blo
Message-ID: <199803202258.OAA09440@toad.com>


David:

Blah blah blah, theft of services, blah, oh mr. government: please 
deliver us from spam, blah, blah, blah.  TruthMonger wrote one on the 
best pieces on spam, and you come up with the same old SHIT!  Just 
because you repeat "theft of services" won't make it true.  Blah 
blah, make spammers pay blah blah.  Shut up, and hit delete!  You 
fucktard.

Spam is not crime, it is commerce!

On or About 20 Mar 98 at 17:06, David Scheidt wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, TruthMonger wrote:
> 
> > Spamming is an 'imaginary' felony, as are anonymity and
> > encryption.
> 
> Spamming is theft of services, sir.  I am forced to pay for a
> "service" that I did not request.  I, and everyone else, pays for
> spam either directly in connect time, or because my ISP wastes
> bandwidth handling the stuff.  I am not that much bothered by that
> it is advertising, or pure junk, but that I pay for it.
> 
> > > To really beat spamming we probably need filters that only allow
> > > messages from inside our web of trust. Don't you agree?
> 
> Make people bear the true cost of spam, and it will stop.
> 

=-=-=-=-=-=-
Ross Wright
King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services
http://ross.adnetsol.com
Voice: (408) 259-2795





From david at infocom.com  Fri Mar 20 15:05:41 1998
From: david at infocom.com (David Scheidt)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:05:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Does Spamming Really Exist? / Re: Will New Sendmail Blo
In-Reply-To: <199803202258.RAA17285@infocom.com>
Message-ID: 


On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Ross Wright wrote:

> Spam is not crime, it is commerce!

Spam is commerce with the costs borne by the wrong party.  








From rwright at adnetsol.com  Fri Mar 20 15:10:45 1998
From: rwright at adnetsol.com (Ross Wright)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:10:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Does Spamming Really Exist? / Re: Will New Sendmail Blo
Message-ID: <199803202310.PAA09594@toad.com>


On or About 20 Mar 98 at 18:05, David Scheidt wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Ross Wright wrote:
> 
> > Spam is not crime, it is commerce!
> 
> Spam is commerce with the costs borne by the wrong party.  

Blah blah blah.  I'm bored with this SHIT.  Blah blah blah.  

Like the TruthMonger said, you roll around on the floor with the
dogs, you gonna get licked on the mouth.  

Spam is a fact of life, and complaining about it is far worse than
spam.  Again, I say:  hit your delete key and shut up, you fucktard.

Thanks.

=-=-=-=-=-=-
Ross Wright
King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services
http://ross.adnetsol.com
Voice: (408) 259-2795





From rwright at adnetsol.com  Fri Mar 20 15:26:21 1998
From: rwright at adnetsol.com (Ross Wright)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:26:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Complaints about spam are TRUE theft of services
Message-ID: <199803202326.PAA09734@toad.com>


On or About 19 Mar 98 at 14:27, Ian Briggs wrote:

> >> Spamming is an 'imaginary' felony, as are anonymity and
> >> encryption.
> 
> No, its actually theft of services.  

No, actually your complaints about spam are TRUE theft of 
services.  In an article that I posted to this list last year it says 
the following:

Mailing-list spammers

Email spam is the favorite gripe of most Netizens, excepting the
spammers. Congress is considering legislation [25] to limit the
practice of sending unwanted commercial email in bulk. Not everyone
thinks this is a good idea. See [26] for a thread from an ongoing
debate on Declan McCullagh's fight-censorship mailing list. George
Matyjewicz  did a modest experiment
on a week's worth of his email -- he is on 56 mailing lists and gets
around 200 messages a day -- to gauge how widespread the problem
actually is. Matyjewicz posted these results: 

Total messages...1,354...193.4

Spam messages.......10.......1.4.....< 1 %

Spam complaints....189.......27.0.....14 %

This article is at:

http://206.215.211.222/archive/0108.html

Spam is not crime, it's commerce.  Shut up and hit that delete key, 
you fucktard.

Thanks.

=-=-=-=-=-=-
Ross Wright
King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services
http://ross.adnetsol.com
Voice: (408) 259-2795





From rwright at adnetsol.com  Fri Mar 20 15:43:20 1998
From: rwright at adnetsol.com (Ross Wright)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:43:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Complaints about spam are TRUE theft of services
Message-ID: <199803202343.PAA09849@toad.com>


On or About 19 Mar 98 at 15:31, Ian Briggs wrote:

> >Spam is not crime, it's commerce.  Shut up and hit that delete key,
> > you fucktard.
> 
> Its not commerce, its collect calls and fuck you.  Fax bombing is
> illegal.
> 
> Unsolicitated e-mail of this nature will eventually also be.

Is that *really* what you want?

>> Not because its "dangerous" to the internet, there are a lot more
> dangerous issues facing todays Internet, because organized ISP have
> enough power to tell cluless lawmakers it is.

Again, I ask: "Is that *REALLY* what you want?"  You want stupid 
congressmen and women to make new laws about spam???  Are you nuts?

*Really*, you want them sticking their small minds into the internet? 
*REALLY*??????

You and all your "organized ISP" brothers should just shut up and hit 
the delete keys, you bunch of fucktards.

Thanks.

=-=-=-=-=-=-
Ross Wright
King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services
http://ross.adnetsol.com
Voice: (408) 259-2795





From paulmerrill at acm.org  Fri Mar 20 16:06:21 1998
From: paulmerrill at acm.org (Paul H. Merrill)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:06:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Complaints about spam are TRUE theft of services
In-Reply-To: <199803202343.PAA09849@toad.com>
Message-ID: <35132F8D.15FF@acm.org>


Ross Wright wrote:
> 
> On or About 19 Mar 98 at 15:31, Ian Briggs wrote:
> 
> > >Spam is not crime, it's commerce.  Shut up and hit that delete key,
> > > you fucktard.
> >
> > Its not commerce, its collect calls and fuck you.  Fax bombing is
> > illegal.
> >
> > Unsolicitated e-mail of this nature will eventually also be.
> 
> Is that *really* what you want?
> 
> >> Not because its "dangerous" to the internet, there are a lot more
> > dangerous issues facing todays Internet, because organized ISP have
> > enough power to tell cluless lawmakers it is.
> 
> Again, I ask: "Is that *REALLY* what you want?"  You want stupid
> congressmen and women to make new laws about spam???  Are you nuts?
> 
> *Really*, you want them sticking their small minds into the internet?
> *REALLY*??????
> 
> You and all your "organized ISP" brothers should just shut up and hit
> the delete keys, you bunch of fucktards.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> =-=-=-=-=-=-
> Ross Wright
> King Media: Bulk Sales of Software Media and Duplication Services
> http://ross.adnetsol.com
> Voice: (408) 259-2795

While I do not completely agree with the tone of the comments, nor do I
buy the specific numbers involved, I have found that the mouthing off
about the terror of Spam to take more bandwidth than the (EMail) spam
itself does.  I also fear legislative involvement much more than the
spam itself.

OTOH I dislike spam intensely and do reufse to buy from a spammer --
even when they occasionally have a toy I just might want under other
circumstances.

PHM





From shadow at tfs.net  Fri Mar 20 16:13:10 1998
From: shadow at tfs.net (sphantom)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:13:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
In-Reply-To: <7341d3ab.3511906d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <35130631.B046F2DA@tfs.net>


some protection is better than none. my roommate and I have our
computers in the same room off of the same outlet but my computer has an
UPS and his does not. During a storm, lightning hit near the apartment
building and it took out his computer but not mine. But I do have a
friend who lost his computer to a direct strike to the power lines and
it took out the surge strip as well. At least in my case, it was not a
direct strike into the power lines but what happened to my roommate made
him get an UPS to at least have some protection next time. At least he
will not have to possibly shell out another $1,500 for another computer.






From paulmerrill at acm.org  Fri Mar 20 16:35:06 1998
From: paulmerrill at acm.org (Paul H. Merrill)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:35:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: My Most Abject Apologies
Message-ID: <3513364E.2938@acm.org>


I wish to publicly thank Bill Stewart for pointin out my spelling error
in the account I set up for DV for two reasons 1) I truly dilike anyone
mishandling my own name in print or in pronunciation and 2) a
demonstration needs to be error free or it is a Not Good Thing  (not all
the way to a Bad Thing for a typo, but enough to take a dim view of it)

In this sprirt, I unsubscribed and removed the account and replaced (and
resubscribed) it with DimVu at aol.com 

I apologize to one and all especially DV himself -- I certainly did not
wish to sully his good name thorugh misspelling.

As always,
Your Humble Servant,
Paul H. Merrill

BTW I coulda swore I sent this thing out yesterday, but since I shore
ain't seed it, I (wrote and) sent another.  (I keep no EMail.)
PHM





From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Fri Mar 20 18:07:37 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:07:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: How government _can_ help stop spam - Re: Does Spamming Really Exist?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980320164218.008e1b20@popd.ix.netcom.com>


>>> Spamming is an 'imaginary' felony, as are anonymity and encryption.
>No, its actually theft of services.  

Generally, it's neither one, but it is a rude imposition on
the reader's attention, and may also increase costs to the user
or the user's service provider.

So what's an anarchist like me doing saying that the government can help?
Well, they can help by getting out of the way.  
Currently, there are laws against breaking into computer systems
and against denial of service attacks; they can be Federal felonies.

As a modest proposal, I would suggest that the government allow
anyone who's been sent unwanted bits by a spammer to send
any unwanted bits they feel like in return.
Maybe Spamford doesn't want chain letters about
	"Make Pings Of Death Fast"
or	"Free Live Chat With Real Spammers!"
but spammers really aren't in any position to complain.


----------------
There's also 
http://www.iks-jena.de/mitarb/lutz/usenet/teergrube.en.html

				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





From spam at dev.null  Fri Mar 20 18:09:31 1998
From: spam at dev.null (Spammer)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:09:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: S p a m  H a i k u  / [Repost]
Message-ID: <35133310.6F46@dev.null>


S p a m  H a i k u :

1.
Blue can of steel
What promise do you hold?
Salt flesh so ripe

2.
Can of metal, slick
Soft center, so cool, moistening
I yearn for your salt

3.
Twist, pull the sharp lid
Jerks and cuts me deeply but
Spam, aah, my poultice

4.
Silent, former pig
One communal awareness
Myriad pink bricks

5.
Clad in metal, proud
No mere salt-curing for you
You are not bacon

6
And who dares mock Spam?
You? you? you are not worthy
Of one rich pink fleck

7.
Like some spongy rock
A granite, my piece of Spam
In sunlight on my plate

8.
Little slab of meat
In a wash of clear jelly
Now I heat the pan

9.
Oh tin of pink meat
I ponder what you may be:
Snout or ear or feet?

10.
In the cool morning
I fry up a slab of Spam
A dog barks next door

11.
Pink tender morsel
Glistening with salty gel
What the hell is it?

12.
Ears, snouts and innards
A homogeneous mass
Pass another slice

13.
Old man seeks doctor
"I eat Spam daily", he says.
Angioplasty

14.
Highly unnatural
The tortured shape of this "food"
A small pink coffin

15.
Pink beefy temptress
I can no longer remain
Vegetarian







From spam at dev.null  Fri Mar 20 18:09:40 1998
From: spam at dev.null (Spammer)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:09:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Spam-Busters versus  Spam-Protection Racket / Re: Does Spamming Really Exist?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <35133C44.5941@dev.null>


David Scheidt wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, TruthMonger wrote:
> > Spamming is an 'imaginary' felony, as are anonymity and encryption.
 
> Spamming is theft of services, sir.  I am forced to pay for a "service"
> that I did not request.  I, and everyone else, pays for spam either
> directly in connect time, or because my ISP wastes bandwidth handling the
> stuff.  I am not that much bothered by that it is advertising, or pure
> junk, but that I pay for it.

The thievery is taking place at the ISP level.

I live in the boondocks where the phone company charged $5.00 per 
hour for InterNet access, until they lost their monopoly, after
which their rates magically dropped to $1.00 per hour.
My hook-up rate remains around that rate because of competing
ISP's being required to pay vigorish to the government-owned
teleco, far beyond their actual costs.

If I lived in the 'big city', then I would be able to avail myself
of the $19.95-unlimited-connection charges. Thus, any 'spam' I
received would only cost me my time and energy, as opposed to
the money that the teleco robs me of under cover of their 
government-supported monopoly.

NEWS FLASH!!!
You were born into a world where even your momma's tit competed
for your attention, time and energy.
When your mother's breast-milk dried up, did you petition the
government to have her tit imprisoned under 'Truth In Advertising'
laws? Did you demand that the government force her to refrain
from bringing her tit into your  presence, where it would compete
for your time, attention and energy?

When my mother's breast-milk dried up, I learned to reach for the
bottle (as Anheiser-Busch will gladly verify).
In all of my time on the InterNet, I have responded to and enriched
only one (count 'em, *1*) of the personages who have sent an
unsolicited email to my account. In doing so, however, I have
effectively endorsed the value (be it in an exceedingly minor way)
of those who bring their UCE/Spam to my attention.

You take the position that your ISP 'wastes bandwidth' handling
'spam'. If you are paying them to do so, without requiring that
they provide you with an option in return for the money that you
are paying them, this is not the fault of those who deem that
you may be interested in their product/cause/bullshit.
As well, since the 'spammers' are obviously receiving a response
that makes it worth their while to continue their efforts, it
is obvious that others on your ISP may not regard their missives
as wasted bandwidth.

Sometime ago, plaidworks.com complained about someone 'abusing'
their system by subscribing the CypherPunks list, among others,
to their massive mailings. The fact of the matter was, they left
their system open to being 'used' in the manner it was, in order
to gain maximum profit without going to the expense of putting 
safeguards in place which would prevent others from using the
resources they made available to the InterNet for their own
purposes.

NEWS FLASH!!!
The InterNet is a communal endeavor. Resources are shared among
those who choose to actively participate in the infrastructure
and the technologies of which it is composed.
Those who wish to participate in only a portion of the activity
and resources shared on the InterNet can do so if they are
willing to take the actions required to limit their participation
and/or exposure on the InterNet.

I do not use Gopher. The use that others make of the program is
not a 'theft of services' that 'wastes' the bandwidth of my ISP.
My ISP does not provide Telnet access. They do so in order to
prevent me from availing myself of cheaper services which are
available at ISP's which are not restrained by their monopoly
To me, *this* is 'denial of service.'

Because of the armed robbery of the government-monopoly ISP
that is available to me, it costs me an unacceptable amount of
money to go to USENET. I don't go there.

Spammer






From spam at dev.null  Fri Mar 20 18:10:17 1998
From: spam at dev.null (Spammer)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:10:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: New Champion! / Re: Complaints about spam are TRUE theft of services
In-Reply-To: <199803202343.PAA09849@toad.com>
Message-ID: <351331C7.1CE4@dev.null>


Paul H. Merrill wrote:
> 
> While I do not completely agree with the tone of the comments, nor do I
> buy the specific numbers involved, I have found that the mouthing off
> about the terror of Spam to take more bandwidth than the (EMail) spam
> itself does.  I also fear legislative involvement much more than the
> spam itself.

While TruthMonger's initial post, "Does Spamming Really Exist," was
obviously an attempt to lure Ross Wright out of the lair from which
he lurks, furtively monitoring the CypherPunks list, his secondary 
goal was undoubtedly to laugh up his sleeve at the posters who would
inundate the list with a quantity of yea-nay's which would vastly
exceed the amount of spam which is passed on to subscribers of the
unfiltered toad.com CypherPunks list.

A communique from TruthMonger, shortly before he transmorgatized into
his 'Spammer' persona, informed me that he felt Paul Merrill had 
earned the title of Chief Spammer SpokesPerson/Champion, despite the
heartfelt compliment that Ross Wright gave TM in one of his missives.

The concept of the spam-complainer being the true spammer on any 
given mailing list, by virtue of setting off a mountain of posts
which are in all likelyhood off-topic and meant to appeal only
to the knee-jerk reactions of jerks with knees, is completely in
line with the theory that the only posts which are truly off-topic
on the CypherPunks lists are those which complain about off-topic
posts.

There is a case currently before the Supreme Court of Canada which
is continuing, despite the original plaintiffs having settled out
of court, without government intervention, which will decide 
whether gay couples will be allowed to get butt-fucked under the
same vague, arbitrary and capricious laws as those which are
used to ruin the lives of the heterosexual citizens.

Even radical femnists have had the common sense not to petition
the government to ensure women equal representation in the gas
chambers of America.
Radical anti-spammers should take note...

Spammer







From spam at dev.null  Fri Mar 20 18:49:02 1998
From: spam at dev.null (Spammer)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:49:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fucking Sheeple / Re: Does Spamming Really Exist?
In-Reply-To: <3512E780.5FBD@dev.null>
Message-ID: <35134477.308E@dev.null>


Ian Briggs wrote:
> 
> >> Spamming is an 'imaginary' felony, as are anonymity and encryption.
> 
> No, its actually theft of services.
> 
> Imagine if I called you collect anytime I was out and about and your phone
> automatically accepted the charge.  Then I spent a couple minutes filling
> you in on my day, and how I felt.

Then I would be a fucking idiot for willingly giving my business to
a phone company that  would allow this.
The fact is, the only phone company available to me is a monopoly
who will no doubt institute this 'feature' because of your suggestion.
I will have them forward my bill to you...

> 1.  ISP pay for bandwidth.
>         If your outside the US 128Kbps lines can go upwards of several thousand         a
> month.

Then they should expend the time, energy and resources that will
enable them to deny the use of their commonly shared resources
with members of the InterNet community which they do not wish
to support.

> 2.  Spammers relay through other ISP mail servers.
>         This usually kills their mail server, or they get added to Paul Vixie's
> blackhole list.

The InterNet is a shared resource. If the ISP does not want to
share certain resources with this-or-that entity on the communal
resource of the Net, then they can configure their system to
deny reciprocal services to their fellow Netizens.

> 3.  It wastes ISP time.
>         ISP get dozens of complaints a day and have to explain to every newbie
> exactly what spam is, why they got it, etc. etc.

Perhaps they should spend their time configuring their systems to
allow what they feel is most useful to their customers, and tell
those who complain to go somewhere else.

> I know, im an ISP.

I will petition the government to pass laws to prevent your ISP 
from spamming me with posts such as this, which reflect nothing
more than the standard Sheeple position that anything which you 
do not personally desire should be outlawed.

"That which is not permitted, is forbidden."
~ Animal Farm

Spammer






From paulmerrill at acm.org  Fri Mar 20 19:08:55 1998
From: paulmerrill at acm.org (Paul H. Merrill)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:08:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: New Champion! / Re: Complaints about spam are TRUE theft ofservices
In-Reply-To: <199803202343.PAA09849@toad.com>
Message-ID: <35135970.4A181F3D@acm.org>


Spammer wrote:
 
> A communique from TruthMonger, shortly before he transmorgatized into
> his 'Spammer' persona, informed me that he felt Paul Merrill had
> earned the title of Chief Spammer SpokesPerson/Champion, despite the
> heartfelt compliment that Ross Wright gave TM in one of his missives.
> 
Gee, I'm touched.

PHM





From spectre at dev.null  Fri Mar 20 19:17:32 1998
From: spectre at dev.null (The Spectre)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:17:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Clarification / Re: UPSs (yeah, it's off topic)
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <35134BAB.272B@dev.null>


The Spectre wrote:
> I get bitched at by list members when I sign my messages.. :)  If I have
> something important to say, I'll sign it.. same goes if people start faking
> them, so far no one has.

What I meant to say was, "if people start faking them without using
spectre at dev.null as a return address so that only really lame fucks
will be fooled by them."
 
-The Spectre (Or so I would have you believe...) [SP4 w/ Clam Cluster]
-http://www.anthrax.net/cos
"No man is clever enough to know all the evil he does."  -  La
Rochefoucauld







From spectre at anthrax.net  Fri Mar 20 19:29:48 1998
From: spectre at anthrax.net (The Spectre)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:29:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Faked mail from canada? (was : Clarification / Re: UPSs (yeah, it's off topic))
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


At 21:10 3/20/98 -0800, The Spectre (Or so he would have us believe) wrote:

>The Spectre wrote:
>> I get bitched at by list members when I sign my messages.. :)  If I have
>> something important to say, I'll sign it.. same goes if people start faking
>> them, so far no one has.
>
>What I meant to say was, "if people start faking them without using
>spectre at dev.null as a return address so that only really lame fucks
>will be fooled by them."
> 
>-The Spectre (Or so I would have you believe...) [SP4 w/ Clam Cluster]
>-http://www.anthrax.net/cos
>"No man is clever enough to know all the evil he does."  -  La
>Rochefoucauld

Actually, I said what I meant to say.  If someone fakes it to the list,
then I'll see it now won't I, unless there is another attack or five
happening at the same time to prevent me from getting my mail from the
list, and from getting it anywhere else.

If I saw it then I would post a signed message informing everyone that I
*hadn't* posted it, and continue signing my mails until I felt it was safe
to do otherwise.

Don't feel you have to continue to illustrate your point though, even
though investigation of the headers shows that the message actually
originated from a mail server in canada.. I know you didn't do as much as
you could have to make the message appear authentic.

In any case, I don't see you signing your messages either.


-The Spectre [SP4 w/ Clam Cluster]
-http://www.anthrax.net/cos
"No man is clever enough to know all the evil he does."  -  La Rochefoucauld






From ms at dev.null  Fri Mar 20 20:38:47 1998
From: ms at dev.null (Mirror Site)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:38:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fwd: Upon further reflection... [WAS: It's not a trick, but it *is* done with mirrors...]]
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From StanSquncr at aol.com  Fri Mar 20 20:40:55 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:40:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
Message-ID: <94b30653.35134453@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-20 19:13:07 EST, shadow at tfs.net writes:

<< some protection is better than none. my roommate and I have our
 computers in the same room off of the same outlet but my computer has an
 UPS and his does not. During a storm, lightning hit near the apartment
 building and it took out his computer but not mine. But I do have a
 friend who lost his computer to a direct strike to the power lines and
 it took out the surge strip as well. At least in my case, it was not a
 direct strike into the power lines but what happened to my roommate made
 him get an UPS to at least have some protection next time. At least he
 will not have to possibly shell out another $1,500 for another computer. >>

I cannot argue against 'some is better than none' (or, if you're adding onto
your existing internal power supply, 'more is better than some').

BUT, of all things, when lightning strikes close to me, it takes out my modem,
nothing else. (and it's happened more than once (and they say it doesn't ever
strike in the same place twice!  ;-)  ))

Stan





From ian at deepwell.com  Fri Mar 20 20:45:14 1998
From: ian at deepwell.com (Ian Briggs)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:45:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fucking Sheeple / Re: Does Spamming Really Exist?
In-Reply-To: <3512E780.5FBD@dev.null>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980319203802.0095e384@deepwell.com>


>I will petition the government to pass laws to prevent your ISP 
>from spamming me with posts such as this, which reflect nothing
>more than the standard Sheeple position that anything which you 
>do not personally desire should be outlawed.
>
>"That which is not permitted, is forbidden."
>~ Animal Farm


Whine Whine Whine.
You want some cheeze?

Sweaping generality, yes those of us that want everything we don't agree
with put
under penalty of death.

Instantly.

No, wait.  Lets change that, we put those that don't agree with us on work
projects for the 4th Reich.

Yeah, thats what I really meant
but you have to look really hard into the message to find that undertone
or you have to be a shitneck.

Anyways.

1.  Its theft of services because its using my bandwidth to "harrass" my
customers.
2.  It may destroy my mail server.
3.  It may detrimentally effect the quality of my business.
4.  It destroys other ISP mail server.

So back to your normal ranting, as I doubt anyone doesn't have an
entrenched opinion concerning this.

Im not the happiest person to be inviting the U.S. Goverment into this
media, im pretty opposed to the U.S. Goverment in general and specific terms.

You want to know who we currently call for situations like this?
FBI, executive order gave them all venue over crimes on the Internet via an
executive order.

So guess what, the U.S. goverments already here.
I just don't want Joe Smoooze Dick the Marketing stud starting up his
garage business selling e-mail lists for $99, cause he can.

Ian

by the way, putting @dev.null in your return address
thats pretty tricky, I bet you have a business card
that says 31337.  I bet they teach that in all canadian
schools.  Elite 101.





From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Fri Mar 20 20:57:29 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:57:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Faked mail from canada? (was : Clarification / Re: UPSs
Message-ID: <199803210457.FAA27438@basement.replay.com>


The Spectre wrote:
> In any case, I don't see you signing your messages either.

Yes I do...


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From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Fri Mar 20 21:29:21 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 21:29:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fucking Sheeple / Re: Does Spamming Really Exist?
In-Reply-To: <3512E780.5FBD@dev.null>
Message-ID: <35136B20.F6@sk.sympatico.ca>


Ian Briggs wrote:
> Sweaping generality, yes those of us that want everything we don't agree
> with put
> under penalty of death.
..... 
> No, wait.  Lets change that, we put those that don't agree with us on work
> projects for the 4th Reich.

Right on, Ian!
I'm tired of these anonymous cowards, hiding behind a fake address
such as dev.null, putting down those of us who recognize the need
of petitioning our government to put an end to using the InterNet
for purposes which are against the wishes of the majority.

> 1.  Its theft of services because its using my bandwidth to "harrass" my
> customers.

Exactly. I have been complaining to my ISP about their forwarding posts
from the CypherPunks list that I disagree with. Despite my complaints,
they allow this harrassment to continue.

> 2.  It may destroy my mail server.

Right on! If the anonymous cowards can make points that seem to lack
any sort of logic and sense, then they cannot whine when you do so,
as well.

> 3.  It may detrimentally effect the quality of my business.

Say, Ian...this is beginning to sound like 'whining'...

> 4.  It destroys other ISP mail server.

Although grammatically incorrect and seemingly nonsensical, I am
confident that you are trying to make a valid point.
 
> So back to your normal ranting, as I doubt anyone doesn't have an
> entrenched opinion concerning this.

Exactly. There are no anti-spammers in foxholes. 
 
> Im not the happiest person to be inviting the U.S. Goverment into this
> media, im pretty opposed to the U.S. Goverment in general and specific terms.

As long as they only pass legislation infringing on the rights of
those who are not in agreement with you and I, then our position
could only be seen as hypocritical by those who disagree with us.
 
> You want to know who we currently call for situations like this?
> FBI, executive order gave them all venue over crimes on the Internet via an
> executive order.
> 
> So guess what, the U.S. goverments already here.

And we can't fight City Hall, eh?

> I just don't want Joe Smoooze Dick the Marketing stud starting up his
> garage business selling e-mail lists for $99, cause he can.

This is every bit as despicable as people who sign up as an ISP
provider on the InterNet and then deny others the use of the shared
resources of the Net, because they can.
Some of these evil people interfere with the propogation of Holocaust
propoganda, instead of interfering with anti-Holocaust propoganda, as
is proper to those who oppose censorship.
 
> by the way, putting @dev.null in your return address
> thats pretty tricky, I bet you have a business card
> that says 31337.  I bet they teach that in all canadian
> schools.  Elite 101.

Those fucking FrostBacks think that they can crawl across the
49th virtual parallel and insult the memory of Dave Null, Defender
of the Void, with impunity. As soon as I look that word up, I'm
going to give them a piece of my mind. (This is a generous offer,
seeing as how I don't have much left).

~~~~
Toto 
~~~~






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Fri Mar 20 22:19:40 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:19:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Micro$not Ba$hing
Message-ID: <199803210619.HAA08464@basement.replay.com>


Eric Tune wrote:
> Out of all the things I've heard said about Bill Gates, about
> Microsoft, (both as the Evil Empire and as a God-send) this makes
> about the most sense.  Truthmonger has it right.  

At the risk of having list members speculating that this anonymous
post is being sent by Toto/TruthMonger in order to gloat his dropping
Pearls of Wisdom upon those with weak connections to the ClueServer,
I would like to compliment Eric Tune on his recognition of my...Uhhhh,
I mean *TruthMonger*'s sense of Reality.

 > The ONLY significant in-roads that anyone has made with a Unix
> environment is Linux and BSD, and all the wishing in the world is not
> going to make it more palatable to "John Q. Public".  Unfortunately,
> Unix is a lot harder to learn for someone who started out in DOS or
> Mac software, and it's not near as user friendly.  What could be the
> incentive to NOT take Win95/NT/MacOS/OS2, which all have wide software
> bases, as opposed to the closed world of Unix?  John Q. Public doesn't
> want all this trouble, he just wants his kids to be able to research
> their history reports on the web, and for himself, to download a
> little late night skin pics when the wife is late from bingo.  He's in
> control of how the computer game is played these days, even if he
> doesn't understand it.

I *love* UNIX/Linux, but I have no illusions that they comprise a
viable option for John and Jane Q., unless they are provided at a
reasonable price, with GUI's that are usable by people who desire
to be able to use a computer without becoming a dweeb/guru/expert.
 
> Microsoft shouldn't be blamed because they were smarter than the rest
> of the industry, and when they couldn't be smarter, well, buying the
> other company works too.  Every one of you would do it the same way if
> you were Bill Gates running the largest software empire in the world,
> whether you would like to admit it or not.

This is exactly what the Anti-Micro$not Coalition is attempting. Instead
of making their software available to M.E. Tarzan and U. Jane at a
competitive price, they are attempting to prevent someone who sought
and got (Hey! I'm a poet...) their business from offering them even
more affordable software extensions to their basic operating system.
If providing the end-user with the tools to use their modem and the
InterNet is an anit-trust violation, then shouldn't the same concept
apply to OS vendors who provide tools for their customers to use
their printers, etc?

The much maligned 'Sheeple' desire only to have an OS that provides
them with the tools to use the products that they purchase from 
computer vendors.
The fact that Macintosh suffered in the marketplace from offering a
complete package for more money, while the PC vendors offered a more
affordable package which required additional purchases of software
to accomplish the same ends, is not a reflection on the stupidity
of J&J Q. Public. It is a reflection on the ignorance/unwillingness
of Apple to properly advertise the discrepancies in entry-level costs
versus end-result costs.
Tire companies are taking advantage of the shennanigans of their
competition by pointing out that their prices include such 'additional
items' such as valve stems, balancing, air, etc. Apple and Sun were
not constrained by Micro$not from doing the same thing.

Many of the UNIX/SCO systems that I sold to my customers were the 
result of my explaining cost-benefit ratios which I had to analyze
for myself, with no help from those actually producing/selling the
product.
As a former vendor who sold operating systems which were in comptetion
with DOS/Windows, despite the fact that their manufacturers were not
actively seeking my business, I feel no compunction in calling them
to task for attempting to suppress their competition by calling upon
the government to make them quit giving the public what they desire.

Sincerely,
...uuuhh...I can't remember what persona I am posting under...






From owner-cypherpunks  Fri Mar 20 22:26:16 1998
From: owner-cypherpunks (owner-cypherpunks)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:26:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Cold Drinks Taste Better!!!
Message-ID: <>



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From owner-cypherpunks  Fri Mar 20 22:26:16 1998
From: owner-cypherpunks (owner-cypherpunks)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:26:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Cold Drinks Taste Better!!!
Message-ID: <>



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**Perfect for --Birthdays
                  --Father's Day
                  --picnics
                  --BBQ's
                  --Bosses
                  --Lunches
                  --Trips
                  --Work
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From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Fri Mar 20 23:08:36 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:08:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Important Information!
Message-ID: <351381E3.3360@sk.sympatico.ca>

If you have received several copies of all of my pastes to the
CypherPukes list tonight, rest assured that it is a direct result
of my being a drunken asshole.
I have heard a rumor that the CypherPukes are taking up a collection
to get me an account on AOL. Can there be any greater disgrace?


To: cypherpunks at toad.com
Subject: Re: Micro$not Ba$hing
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:19:30 +0100 (MET)
Organization: Replay Associates, L.L.P.
Sender: owner-cypherpunks at toad.com

Eric Tune wrote:
> Out of all the things I've heard said about Bill Gates, about
> Microsoft, (both as the Evil Empire and as a God-send) this makes
> about the most sense.  Truthmonger has it right.  

At the risk of having list members speculating that this anonymous
post is being sent by Toto/TruthMonger in order to gloat his dropping
Pearls of Wisdom upon those with weak connections to the ClueServer,
I would like to compliment Eric Tune on his recognition of my...Uhhhh,
I mean *TruthMonger*'s sense of Reality.

 > The ONLY significant in-roads that anyone has made with a Unix
> environment is Linux and BSD, and all the wishing in the world is not
> going to make it more palatable to "John Q. Public".  Unfortunately,
> Unix is a lot harder to learn for someone who started out in DOS or
> Mac software, and it's not near as user friendly.  What could be the
> incentive to NOT take Win95/NT/MacOS/OS2, which all have wide software
> bases, as opposed to the closed world of Unix?  John Q. Public doesn't
> want all this trouble, he just wants his kids to be able to research
> their history reports on the web, and for himself, to download a
> little late night skin pics when the wife is late from bingo.  He's in
> control of how the computer game is played these days, even if he
> doesn't understand it.

I *love* UNIX/Linux, but I have no illusions that they comprise a
viable option for John and Jane Q., unless they are provided at a
reasonable price, with GUI's that are usable by people who desire
to be able to use a computer without becoming a dweeb/guru/expert.
 
> Microsoft shouldn't be blamed because they were smarter than the rest
> of the industry, and when they couldn't be smarter, well, buying the
> other company works too.  Every one of you would do it the same way if
> you were Bill Gates running the largest software empire in the world,
> whether you would like to admit it or not.

This is exactly what the Anti-Micro$not Coalition is attempting. Instead
of making their software available to M.E. Tarzan and U. Jane at a
competitive price, they are attempting to prevent someone who sought
and got (Hey! I'm a poet...) their business from offering them even
more affordable software extensions to their basic operating system.
If providing the end-user with the tools to use their modem and the
InterNet is an anit-trust violation, then shouldn't the same concept
apply to OS vendors who provide tools for their customers to use
their printers, etc?

The much maligned 'Sheeple' desire only to have an OS that provides
them with the tools to use the products that they purchase from 
computer vendors.
The fact that Macintosh suffered in the marketplace from offering a
complete package for more money, while the PC vendors offered a more
affordable package which required additional purchases of software
to accomplish the same ends, is not a reflection on the stupidity
of J&J Q. Public. It is a reflection on the ignorance/unwillingness
of Apple to properly advertise the discrepancies in entry-level costs
versus end-result costs.
Tire companies are taking advantage of the shennanigans of their
competition by pointing out that their prices include such 'additional
items' such as valve stems, balancing, air, etc. Apple and Sun were
not constrained by Micro$not from doing the same thing.

Many of the UNIX/SCO systems that I sold to my customers were the 
result of my explaining cost-benefit ratios which I had to analyze
for myself, with no help from those actually producing/selling the
product.
As a former vendor who sold operating systems which were in comptetion
with DOS/Windows, despite the fact that their manufacturers were not
actively seeking my business, I feel no compunction in calling them
to task for attempting to suppress their competition by calling upon
the government to make them quit giving the public what they desire.

Sincerely,
...uuuhh...I can't remember what persona I am posting under...






From anon at anon.efga.org  Fri Mar 20 23:35:49 1998
From: anon at anon.efga.org (Anonymous)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:35:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <858794b0d66cf1f95b7a9df28fd3b0aa@anon.efga.org>


> > >   It is only now, in supporting your viewpoint out of sheer
> > > contrariness, as opposed to being in agreement, that I have
> > > finally figured out that your stance is a true CypherPunk
> > > position.

I have long held that most of those passing through the hallowed halls
of the cypherpunks list are not cypherpunks, but entities who are
striving to become cypherpunks--once they succeed, most of them move
on to other pursuits and activities.
Thank God that there are those who maintain their presence on the list
over long enough periods of time to help newbies and neophytes to
develop a cypherpunk frame of mind.

> > >   The InterNet is truly a macrocosm of the many societal
> > > microcosms already in existence. It is up to each and every
> > > one of us to fit into our environment, strive to change it,
> > > or abandon it for a different environment.
> >
> > Yikes!  Profound shit, Toto.  How come you didn't post this to the
> > list?  Are you pulling my cyber-leg?

Ross Wright, spam-promoter extraordinare, has become so gun-shy that
he can no longer recognize the difference between sarcasm and a post
by someone who recognizes that all alleged 'spammers' cannot be lumped
into the same stereotypical melting pot.
There are those who send 60 million emails out to Dog-and-everybody,
without regard to suitability to their sensibilities, and there are
those who strive to target their emails toward those who may actually
have an interest in their offerings.

Life itself is a double-edged sword. To compete with the shotgun 
spammers, those who wish to target an audience which is likely to
have a specific interest in their product or cause have need of
a database which will help them to categorize the interests of those
who traverse the WWW. In doing so, they run the risk of being lumped
in with those who use the same technology to monitor the same users
in order to work against their self-interest.

> > > "Who will help me be a self-actualized individual?" said the
> > > New-Age California Little Red Hen.

Nobody. For an extended explaination, read Horatio Alger.

PrecedentMonger II






From abrams at philos.umass.edu  Fri Mar 20 23:48:41 1998
From: abrams at philos.umass.edu (Integration)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:48:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fucking Sheeple / Re: Does Spamming Really Exist?  Um, yes.
Message-ID: <199803210748.CAA07357@wilde.oit.umass.edu>


> > projects for the 4th Reich.
> Right on, Ian!
> I'm tired of these anonymous cowards, hiding behind a fake address
> such as dev.null, putting down those of us who recognize the need
> of petitioning our government to put an end to using the InterNet
> for purposes which are against the wishes of the majority.
> > 1.  Its theft of services because its using my bandwidth to "harrass" my
> > customers.
> Exactly. I have been complaining to my ISP about their forwarding posts
> from the CypherPunks list that I disagree with. Despite my complaints,
> they allow this harrassment to continue.

December 8, 1997:  Today at work, I got an email from a company selling 
genital enlargers.  I was shocked: how did they get my email address?  I 
sat there at work, reading this email.  Then, as if waking from a dream, 
I looked at my watch.  I had wasted 5 whole minutes of my work time!  I 
quickly deleted the email, and went on my merry way.

December 10, 1997:  It happened again.  This time they wanted me to buy 
Disco albums from the 70's.  I was irate!  Susan overheard me mumbling to 
myself, and told me that just recently, she had received an email from an 
unknown source that had the word 'masturbate' in it.  I asked her if it 
was a harrasing email, and she quickly explained that it was an email 
regarding a certain medical condition, for which the emailer had a 
medical cure.  But still, she said.  She did look pretty flustered.  I 
shook my head and looked at my watch.  Damn!

January 23, 1998:  I just learned how to install email filters.  I can 
now block email marked 'bulk mail' or with certain generic 'to' fields.  
But it took me a goddamn day to install the damn filter.  I was talking 
to Joe, and he said that last week, he had to do the very same thing!  It 
seemed our whole company was up in arms!

January 30, 1998:  Joe, Susan, some others and I met with your system 
administrator today and asked him to install the filter automatically for 
everyone in the office.  He seemed hesitant, and even balked at doing it 
until we convinced The Boss to knuckle him under until he did it.  We 
were all very relieved.

February 15, 1998:  Stan, our system administrator, has been having a lot 
of trouble meeting all of the various filtering needs of the office, and 
so he said he is going to meet with our area service provider and see if 
they can do something in their system that would filter out more of the 
junk getting in to our office.  Today, someone said they had received 
email from some list of crypto punks or something like that.  I asked 
him, "What the hell is this world coming to?  Why can't we just be free 
of these goddamn punks and freaks cluttering our email with trash!"  He 
nodded righteously, and explained that he'd just subscribed to that 
crypto punk list last week, and he couldn't believe that he had to read 
such shit.

April 1, 1998:  I was reading the newspaper today, and an article caught 
my eye.  It said that a nationwide consortium of ISPs had gotten together 
and banned all email that met a certain basic description.  'Junk Mail' 
they called it, and it ranged from 'unwanted' list mail to anything 
'indecent' or 'obscene' or obvious 'spamming' type email.  Apparently, 
sophisticated lexical gates were being put in place on a huge number of 
servers nationwide to help stop the spam.  I was so happy I almost cried.

April 2, 1998:  The United States Government passed an emergency 
Communication Freedom Act, citing as a primary reason the acts of the 
consortium of ISPs.  The Government cited business interests as a primary 
reason for instituting a change in the policies of the ISPs.  The article 
in today's Times said that the newly formed Bureau of Internet 
Communications Privileges would meet with the consortium of ISPs, as well 
as other ISPs that had not agreed to the terms of the consortium, to work 
out a mandatory, fair and equitable agreement for validation of internet 
materials.  The Government was adamant that business related emails 
should, in some form or fashion, be allowed, even as 'spam', given proper 
certification.  I realized that I didn't mind that email trying to sell 
me a genital enlarger that much after all.

June 4, 1998:  Today at work, Stan, the system admin, held a meeting for 
managers.  He wanted to explain to us the new Government Certification 
System (TM).  The Government instituted a policy and technical 
implementation of it that would have the following features: (1) all 
personal email would be automatically parsed for indecent content in 
accordance with FCC rules, with the exception of 'adult channel' email, 
which required a special fee-based service, also certified by the 
Government, to be attached to one's account.  (2) all business email 
would be queued in a Certification Queue, and would be inspected for 
content if it was registered as 'bulk mail'.  Only companies who 
registered and paid a nominal fee to the Government would be allowed to 
use 'bulk mailing'.  (3) all encryption would have to be done with a 
key-escrowed encryption service.  That would insure that the Government 
could validate Certification on every email.  Incomprehensible email or 
otherwise suspicious email would be subject to instant deletion.  At 
work, things were going smoothly: Susan and Joe had no complaints.  I was 
so relieved that finally the Government had stepped in and fixed the 
Internet.

December 21, 1998:  Today in the Globe, there were two very interesting 
articles about the new Government Certification System.  The first 
article claimed that the system was now completely in place, and had even 
begun having noticeable effects: email and web traffic were down by .25% 
over the last 21 days!  Workplace reports on annoying and harrassing 
email or web content were down dramatically!  Businesses had jumped to 
sign up for certification, and according to the report, the Government 
claimed that the revenues generated were 'at least enough to fund the 
project and associated costs'.  What a relief for the economy!  The 
second article was more scandalous: apparently, 3 women had independently 
reported that President Clinton had 'cybered' with them on IRC chat 
channels.  One woman claims that he even made 'lewd and unbecoming' 
remarks.  The Bureau will be required by a Federal Court to turn over the 
transcripts and any necessary cryptographic keys next Monday for all 
sessions over the last 4 weeks.  This will help confirm or deny the 
allegations being pressed against the president.

January 1, 1999:  As I was walking down the Parade Route this morning, 
the headline on the Times caught my eye: "Group of Cryptographers 
Arrested".  I walked over to the machine and put in some change.  The 
article reported that a group of Cryptographers from the University of 
Berkeley and MIT were arrested on charges of including an unpatented and 
uncertified encryption scheme in freeware products distributed by the 
GNU/FSF.  The four professors claimed that they had repeatedly filed for 
patents but had been denied.  They also explained that the software in 
which the alleged 'cryptography' was bundled in was only for use in 
securing personal home systems from unauthorized personal use.  The 
Government issued a statement to the effect that cryptography is 
cryptography.  I did not really understand the details of the article, 
about the cryptography and the legal arguments and stuff, but I sure was 
mad at those four professors!

January 8, 1999:  What a scandal!  The mayor of Los Angeles was arrested 
today for 'the use and distribution of unauthorized pornography'.  The 
mayor claims that he only sent the pictures to his friend in Sacramento.  
But the law is the law.  The fine is supposed to be $250,000!  I was very 
disappointed in they mayor.  Imagine: SWIMSUIT photos!

January 11, 1999:  I just received my first subscription to Government 
Unix Magazine today.  The feature article was about Linux.  Apparently, 
Linux applied for Government Certification for Use of the Internet for 
Commerical and Distribution Purposes, and was turned down.  Government 
officials said that, "Linux is not a government approved project.  The 
people who wrote linux were a bunch of hackers.  The code is distributed 
for free.  That means anyone can go out there and put viruses and 
encryption right in the software!  How could we certify such a project?"  
In other news, Microsoft, after receiving certification from the 
Government, got permission to sponsor its own Automatic Updates Channel.  
Anyone connected to the internet will be automatically updated with 
upgrades and patches of MS Windows software.  Non-windows users will be 
alerted repeatedly and incessantly by email that they don't have Windows 
until they finally break down and buy it.

January 28, 1999:  Today, two teens were arrested and detained 
indefinitely by undercover agents who claimed that they had intercepted 
an encrypted transmission issuing from one of the teens' computers that 
was encrypted with an unknown protocol.  The transmission was headed for 
Russia, and authorities suspected that the teen was sending sensitive 
information illegally.  When I read the report, my heart filled with 
pride!  Home of the Brave, Land of the Free, the *U* *S* of *A*!





From paulmerrill at acm.org  Fri Mar 20 23:54:28 1998
From: paulmerrill at acm.org (Paul H. Merrill)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:54:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
In-Reply-To: <94b30653.35134453@aol.com>
Message-ID: <35139C5E.324BE47A@acm.org>


StanSquncr wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 98-03-20 19:13:07 EST, shadow at tfs.net writes:
> 
> << some protection is better than none. my roommate and I have our
>  computers in the same room off of the same outlet but my computer has an
>  UPS and his does not. During a storm, lightning hit near the apartment
>  building and it took out his computer but not mine. But I do have a
>  friend who lost his computer to a direct strike to the power lines and
>  it took out the surge strip as well. At least in my case, it was not a
>  direct strike into the power lines but what happened to my roommate made
>  him get an UPS to at least have some protection next time. At least he
>  will not have to possibly shell out another $1,500 for another computer. >>
> 
> I cannot argue against 'some is better than none' (or, if you're adding onto
> your existing internal power supply, 'more is better than some').
> 
> BUT, of all things, when lightning strikes close to me, it takes out my modem,
> nothing else. (and it's happened more than once (and they say it doesn't ever
> strike in the same place twice!  ;-)  ))
> 
> Stan

They do sell protectors for phone lines, too.  They are typically
marketed as notebook protectors, but I don't think your RJ-11 will mind
too much.

PHM

(APC has them I know)





From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Sat Mar 21 00:05:45 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:05:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Complaints about spam are TRUE theft of services
In-Reply-To: <199803202326.PAA09734@toad.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980320234658.0090d5f0@popd.ix.netcom.com>


At 03:27 PM 3/20/98 -0700, Ross Wright wrote:
>No, actually your complaints about spam are TRUE theft of services. 

If you're a spammer, you're in no position to complain.

>[Anecdotes about somebody receiving more complaints about spam
than actual spam.]

Complaints about spam are free speech, and by encouraging Internet providers
to increase the size of their networks, they're obviously commerce :-)

Anecdotes are just anecdotes; except during the occasional flame war about spam, 
I generally receive a lot more spam than complaints.  And at least the 
complaints have some creative thought behind them, unlike the spam...
				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





From abrams at philos.umass.edu  Sat Mar 21 00:47:19 1998
From: abrams at philos.umass.edu (Integration)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:47:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fucking Sheeple / Re: Does Spamming Really Exist?  Um, yes.
In-Reply-To: <"Toto"@Mar>
Message-ID: <199803210847.DAA26952@wilde.oit.umass.edu>


> You are more creative and astute than I am in even my most egotistical
> and self-congratulatory states of being.
> Please cease and deceasist!
> 
> ROTFLMAOMonger
> 
> Integration wrote:
> > December 8, 1997:  Today at work, I got an email from a company selling

You are too kind!  I'm just giving what is wanted... some candy and some 
medicine.

BTW, no need for a cease and desist.  I'm sure such an outpouring is 
fortunately infrequent.

*





From spectre at anthrax.net  Sat Mar 21 06:13:09 1998
From: spectre at anthrax.net (The Spectre)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 06:13:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Faked mail from canada? (was : Clarification / Re: UPSs  (yeah, it's off topic))
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


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>Yes I do...
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I'm on coderpunks, not  cypherpunks... my message must have been cc'd or
something, I wasn't paying attention.


- -The Spectre [SP4 w/ Clam Cluster]
- -http://www.anthrax.net/cos
"No man is clever enough to know all the evil he does."  -  La Rochefoucauld

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From brianbr at together.net  Sat Mar 21 08:42:08 1998
From: brianbr at together.net (Brian B. Riley)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:42:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 
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On 3/21/98 2:42 AM, Anonymous (anon at anon.efga.org)  passed this wisdom:

>Life itself is a double-edged sword. To compete with the shotgun 
>spammers, those who wish to target an audience which is likely to 
>have a specific interest in their product or cause have need of a 
>database which will help them to categorize the interests of those 
>who traverse the  In doing so, they run the risk of being 
>lumped in with those who use the same technology to monitor the 
>same users in order to work against their self-interest.  

 Exactly, to lump all mass emailers into one homogenous category is all
wrong. I subscribe to a list people running Mac Performa series 
PowerPCs (almost all PPC 603/e)/v). We recently had someone who had
apparently subscribed to the list and lurked and built up a mailing list
of posters to the list to whom he later sent a solicitation ... it was
quite appropriate and as targetted as you can get, active participants
in a highly specific group ... you shopuld have heard the weeping an
gnashing of teeth ... the bandwidth comsumed by compliants was a
thousand fold greater than the solicitation itself!

 SPAM is the boogeyman of the hour. Yes there are bad spammers out there
and a modest knowledge of your mail client will handle 95% of them
straight to File 13, but I really do want to receive many of the
solicitations I get, I actually do buy things ...

 Just my .02

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 "The woods would be very silent if no birds sang there except those 
  that sing the best."    -- Henry David Thoreau







From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sat Mar 21 17:05:28 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:05:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: And they all work for the government...
Message-ID: <199803220105.CAA03456@basement.replay.com>


* The London Daily Telegraph reported in January on the thriving
addiction clinics of Dr. Robert Lefever, who specializes in helping
people who are obsessed with helping other people.  Among the
500 patients a year he sees in London and Kent are a number of
women who compulsively marry alcoholics so they can cure them. 
Another recent patient was hospitalized for exhaustion after
caretaking an overweight woman, including obsessively rolling her
in her wheelchair to many places she did not want to go. 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate.  To
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graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio.  Just text.  Deal
with it.)







From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sat Mar 21 17:07:04 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:07:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CypherPunk Flame Wars...
Message-ID: <199803220106.CAA03752@basement.replay.com>


::
Anon-To: cypherpunks at toad.com

::
Anon-To: cypherpunks at toad.com

* In a September issue of New Scientist magazine, researchers in
Germany wrote that a type of hermaphroditic flatworm mates
through what they call "penis fencing."  In the presence of another,
a worm lashes out with its penis to attempt to inject sperm, but the
potential mate might have similar ideas itself, and in bouts that last
up to an hour, each attempts to inseminate the other.  Often both
worms are left severely punctured. 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate.  To
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graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio.  Just text.  Deal
with it.)







From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sat Mar 21 17:07:44 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:07:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: ClueServer Permanently Down...
Message-ID: <199803220107.CAA03879@basement.replay.com>


* Latest prices charged by parents to sell their kids (Covington,
La., January, $7,400; Orlando, Fla., January, $1,000); latest game
of automobile chicken that ended in a tie (Michigan Center, Mich.,
January, three hospitalized, one in critical condition); latest
attempted robbery in which the unarmed perp simulates a gun with
his thumb and forefinger but doesn't have his hand in his pocket at
the time (La Ronge, Saskatchewan, December, not surprisingly,
coming away with no money).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate.  To
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graphics, no photos, no video clips, no audio.  Just text.  Deal
with it.)






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sat Mar 21 17:09:03 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:09:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dimitri's Tentacles...
Message-ID: <199803220108.CAA04973@basement.replay.com>


* In September, Mr. Anoki P. Sultan filed a lawsuit in Washington,
D.C., against Roman Catholic Archbishop James Hickey, claiming
that the Church was responsible for the devil's taking over his body
in 1983.  Sultan said that would account for his being out of work
so much, dropping out of college, seeking mental-health treatment,
smoking cigarettes, speaking in tongues, and engaging in
homosexual acts.  He sought either $100 million or an exorcism. 
(The lawsuit was dismissed.) 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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newspaper column distributed by Universal Press Syndicate.  To
receive the columns by e-mail, free of charge, send a message to
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From paulmerrill at acm.org  Sat Mar 21 19:30:59 1998
From: paulmerrill at acm.org (Paul H. Merrill)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:30:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: My Most Abject Apologies
In-Reply-To: <981698d1.351441e6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3514B012.A3945B3D@acm.org>


StanSquncr wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 98-03-21 02:51:23 EST, you write:
> 
> << OTOH I hear , liberally intermingled, >>

WHat I mean is that 2/3 of the posts say they are screwing us out of our
rights and 2/3 talk about proof and evidence.  Yeah that means that some
talk about both.






> 
> Like what do you mean by "liberally intermingled"?
> 
> << that the government blows off our
>  rights (and more importantly, what is Right) ... >>
> 
> Starting with the Constitution/Bill of Rights (Article 6 part III and
> Amendment 14, in particular).
> 
> << ... and themes like proof and
>  evidence. >>
> 
> It's the right-wing that's doing that (and, see above).
> 
> 
> << First, the Powers That Be feel free to invent the "evidence" that they
>  need. >>
> 
> I'm sure it's happened (like anytime the police want to arrest a black person,
> for instance).
>

Or anyone else they decide to do it to.
 
> 
> << Second, I would not believe someone's own hard drive to give an accurate
>  depiction of EMail activity.  Deleting anything incriminating is easy
>  enough, so it not being there shows (much less Proves) nothing.  And it
>  is relatively simple to alter stored EMail, so that does no more good. >>
> 
> Right.  So delete your incriminating evidence, and save anything you send to a
> list (which they could get a copy of anyway.)
>

The thing is that *I* can get the list stuff myself if it ever gets
anywhere.  (Methinks that algebra is having problems these days)

 
> << If them people want to screw me, let them do all of the work for
>  themselves. >>
> 
> Now THAT I totally agree with you on.  :-)
> 
> Stan


Besides I find very little of all this that deserves more than a thought
or two and those that do are stored in my "Mark VI Between The Ears
Onboard Computer".

PHM





From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sat Mar 21 20:33:38 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 20:33:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Prologue 9/0 -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS
Message-ID: <199803220433.FAA28959@basement.replay.com>


Prologue 9/0 -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS
------------------------------------------

Magic Circle:

Writing from his room in the Grand Hotel Principe in Limone Piemonte, 
Jones thanked his old friend for the words of encouragement. The honor,
said Sir Eric, "has been won by a lot of hard work by very many people
within the circle and on the fringes of it, and it has also been partly
won by friendly cooperation from people." 


Parker Paradox:

Representing GCHQ at NSA during the mid-1960s was Reginald H. Parker, 
a dashing Englishman with an infectious sense of humor.


Early Members of the Circle of Eunuchs:

Official eavesdropping in Britain is steeped in tradition and shrouded 
in secrecy. Even Shakespeare made note of the practice when he wrote in 
Henry V, "The king hath note of all that they intend / By interception 
which they dream not of." 

Britain's Royal Mail Openers managed a charmed existence. Their single 
public scandal occurred in 1844, when Joseph Mazzini charged Secretary 
of State Sir James Graham with opening his letters and passing the 
contents on to the Neapolitan government.

John Goldhammer of Commercial Cable Company and Clarence H. Mackay of
Commercial Cable Postal Telegraph Company. "In July, 1919," explained
Goldhammer, "when British censorship ceased, we were ordered by the 
British Government to turn over to them all messages passing between 
our own offices, 10 days after they were sent." 

The original and primary source for information on ECHELON is an 
article I wrote in New Statesman magazine ten years ago : NS, 12 August 
1988 : "They've got it taped".  

To forge this alliance, the NSA, soon after it was formed, established 
the National Security Agency Scientific Advisory Board (NSASAB), a 
ten-member panel of science wizards plucked from ivy-covered campuses,
corporate research labs, and sheepskin-lined think tanks. 
Among the early members of the board was Stewart S. Cairns, who had 
earned his doctorate at Harvard and was chairman of the mathematics 
department at the University of Illinois at Urbana (the same school 
where William Martin, not long before his defection, would be sent on 
a two-year scholarship).

When Vice Admiral Laurence Frost arrived at the Puzzle Palace in the 
fall of 1960, he found relations between the board and NSA strained and 
bitter. 


I LUV FUD! (The Medium is the Enemy):

In 1956 Dr. Howard T. Engstrom, a computer wizard and vice president of 
Remington Rand, took over NSA's research and development organization. 
The following year he was appointed deputy director of NSA and a year
later returned to Remington Rand. 

Joseph H. Ream, executive vice president at CBS, was imported to 
replace Engstrom as deputy director. He, too, left after a year; he 
headed up CBS's Washington office and later CBS-TV's programming 
department.
Ream's interlude at NSA is listed on his CBS biography simply as 
"retirement." 

Three months before Ream gave up codebreaking for "I Love Lucy," one of 
the most important meetings in the history of the Agency took place in 
a clapboard structure on Arlington Hall Station known as B Building. On 
July 18, 1957, a handful of the nation's top scientists crowded 
together in NSA's windowless Situation Room to present a blueprint for 
the Agency's future technological survival.* 


Nuclear PigLatin:

They...recommended the initiation of a Manhattan Project-like effort to 
push the USA well ahead of the Soviet Union and all other nations in 
the application of communications, computer science, mathematics, and 
information theory to cryptology.


Rear Entry:

Now the decision had to be made about whether to continue funding, as 
with Lightning, generalized, public research or to begin to direct 
those funds toward secret, specialized, cryptologic research. It was a 
choice between an open bridge or a hidden tunnel between the Agency and 
the outside scientific community. Following the Baker report, the 
decision was to use the tunnel.


Lost Alamo Chaos:

The CRD's statistics are, however, a bit misleading. Shortly after the 
division's birth, several programs were launched to bring into the 
secret fraternity several dozen of the nation's most outstanding 
academic minds in mathematics and languages.


The Evil One Writes Black Operatives A Blank Check:

"NSA," the Agency declared with all due modesty, "certainly hastened 
the start of the computer age." Among the early products of that age 
was the use of computers in the banking industry for everything from 
the massive transfers of money between banks and other financial 
institutions, to the simple recording of a midnight transaction at a 
remote automatic teller. But there was another product: computer crime. 
With sufficient knowledge and the access to a terminal, one could trick 
the computer into transferring funds into a dummy account or tickle a 
cash-dispensing machine into disgorging its considerable holdings. 


Caveat Emptor [WAS: Of course I luvs you...I fucks you, don't I?]:

IBM board chairman Thomas Watson, Jr., during the late 1960s set up a 
cryptology research group at IBM's research laboratory in Yorktown 
Heights, New York. Led by Horst Feistel, the research group concluded 
its work in 1971 with the development of a cipher code-named Lucifer, 
which it promptly sold to Lloyd's of London for use in a 
cash-dispensing system that IBM had developed. 

IBM developed Lucifer with a key 128 bits long. But before it submitted 
the cipher to the NBS, it mysteriously broke off more than half the 
key. 


Government Encryption...There's A Method In Their Madness:

>From the very beginning, the NSA had taken an enormous interest in 
Project Lucifer. It had even indirectly lent a hand in the development 
of the S-box structures.


Debbie Does Ca$h:

The Agency, in turn, certified the algorithm as "free of any 
statistical or mathematical weaknesses" and recommended it as the best 
candidate for the nation's Data Encryption Standard (DES). 


DC Does Chelsea:

The cozy relationship that the Agency had fostered with IBM would be
impossible with the free-wheeling academics. Nevertheless, virtually 
all the researchers had an Achilles' heel: the National Science 
Foundation. 


D'Shauneaux Does DC:

Vice Admiral Bobby Inman moved into the Puzzle Palace, replacing newly 
promoted General Lew Allen, Jr.


Fear:

Without any authorization, he wrote a threatening letter to the 
Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE), the nation's 
largest professional engineering society (of which he was a member), 
warning that those planning to participate in an upcoming IEEE 
symposium on cryptology might violate the law. 

Uncertainty:
What Meyer emphasized was that ITAR covered the export not only of 
actual hardware, but also of unclassified technical data associated 
with the restricted equipment. 

Disinformation:
He claimed that holding symposia and publishing papers on cryptology 
were the same as exporting the information. Thus, he concluded, "unless 
clearances or export licenses are obtained" on some of the lectures and 
papers, "the IEEE could find itself in technical violation of the 
ITAR." 


"When time is of essence, he'll rise from the ash.":

Nicolai had suddenly been assaulted with one of the oldest weapons in 
the nation's national security arsenal: the Invention Secrecy Act. 
Passed in 1917 as a wartime measure to prevent the publication of 
inventions that might "be detrimental to the public safety or defense 
or might assist the enemy or endanger the successful prosecution
of the war," the measure ended with the conclusion of World War I. The 
act was resurrected in 1940 and was later extended until the end of the 
Second World War. Then, like the phoenix, it once again rose from the 
ashes with the passage of the Invention Secrecy Act of 1951, which 
mandated that secrecy orders be kept for periods of no more than one 
year unless renewed. There was a catch, however. The act also said that 
a secrecy order "in effect, or issued, during a national emergency 
declared by the President shall remain in effect for the duration of
the national emergency and six months thereafter." Because no one ever 
bothered to declare an end to President Truman's 1951 emergency, the 
emergency remained in effect until September 1978. 


The Zimmermann Lineage:

To add insult to injury, Nicolai was planning to market his Phasorphone 
at a price most buyers could easily afford, about $100, thus increasing 
the interest in the technology. 


Ted Turner Loves Lucy, Too:

The director's tactic was to launch a counterattack on two fronts--one 
in the open and the other behind the scenes. On the open front, Inman 
decided to convert to his own use what he believed was his opponent's 
biggest weapon: the media. 
Now he himself would begin manipulating the press for the Agency's 
benefit. 


Born Classified/Oppressed/Repressed/Depressed:

But Inman's most telling comment was his statement to Shapley that he 
would like to see the NSA receive the same authority over cryptology 
that the Department of Energy enjoys over research into atomic energy. 
Such authority would grant to NSA absolute "born classified" control 
over all research in any way related to cryptology. 


PGP ProphetSized:

Warned Inman:
     Application of the genius of the American scholarly community to 
     cryptographic and cryptanalytic problems, and widespread 
     dissemination of resulting discoveries, carry the clear risk that 
     some of NSA's cryptanalytic successes will be duplicated, with a 
     consequent improvement of cryptography by foreign targets. No less 
     significant is the risk that cryptographic principles embodied in
     communications security devices developed by NSA will be rendered
     ineffective by parallel nongovernmental cryptologic activity and 
     publication.


Voluntary 'Dog At Large'Fines:

Recognizing the constitutional questions involved in such drastic 
actions, the study group decided on a middle ground: a system of 
voluntary censorship. 


Elvis Assassinated By The Men In Black:

Faurer, addressing a meeting of the IEEE, left little doubt that to 
ignore the Center would be to risk saying good-by to lucrative 
government contracts. "Frankly," the NSA chief warned, "our intention 
is to significantly reward those DOD suppliers who produce the computer 
security products that we need." 


Monkeywrenching Dave Null:

Lack of such cooperation, CIA Deputy Director Inman said at the 
Center's opening, "might lead to a highly undesirable situation where 
private-sector users (e.g., banks, insurance companies) have higher 
integrity systems than the government." 


Voluntary/Mandatory:

As a result of what he called the "hemorrhaging of the country's 
technology," Inman warned a meeting of the American Association for the 
Advancement of Science that "the tides are moving, and moving fast, 
toward legislated solutions that in fact are likely to be much more 
restrictive, not less restrictive, than the "voluntary" censorship 
system of the Study Group. 


[ADVERTISEMENT] Nuclear Hoover Vacume Gets ALL The Dirt:

On the other hand, drug dealers were not the only ones who unwittingly 
found their way into NSA's magnetic-tape library. Also captured were 
the hungry demands of wayward congressmen insisting on bribes from 
foreign governments.


You Have A Right To Be Monitored:
You Have A Right To Be Kept In The Dark:
You Have A Right To No Counsel:

The key to the legislation could have been dreamed up by Franz Kafka: 
the establishment of a supersecret federal court. Sealed away behind a 
cipher-locked door in a windowless room on the top floor of the Justice
Department building, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court is 
most certainly the strangest creation in the history of the federal 
Judiciary.

Almost unheard of outside the inner sanctum of the intelligence 
establishment, the court is like no other. It sits in secret session, 
holds no adversary hearings, and issues almost no public opinions or 
reports. It is listed in neither the Government Organizational Manual 
nor the United States Court Directory and has even tried to keep
its precise location a secret. "On its face," said one legal authority 
familiar with the court, "it is an affront to the traditional American 
concept of justice." 

You Have A Right To Bend Over:

Under such circumstances, it is little wonder that the federal
government has never lost a case before the court.


Legalizing WaterGate:

When the Reagan administration came into office, however, the Justice 
Department argued that the power for foreign intelligence black-bag 
jobs was vested not in the court, but in the inherent authority of the
President. Presiding Judge Hart, in the court's only published opinion, 
agreed. Thus, in rejecting the administration's application for a new 
surreptitious entry, he was in fact going along with the argument of 
the Justice Department. As a result the rejected break-in and all 
subsequent surreptitious entries need no court authorization, only 
presidential approval. 


Rule of Obscurity [WAS: Rule of Law]:

Even more disturbing than the apparent evolution of the surveillance 
court into an Executive Branch rubber stamp are the gaping holes and 
clever wording of the FISA statute, which nearly void it of usefulness. 
Such language, intentional as well as unintentional, permits the NSA to 
rummage at will through the nation's international telecommunications 
network and to target or watch-list any American who happens to step 
foot out of the country. 


The Information Surveillance Highway:

"Electronic surveillance," the statute reads, means "the acquisition by 
an electronic, mechanical, or other surveillance device" of the 
approved targets. But nowhere does the statute define the meaning of 
the key word acquisition. Rather, it is left to NSA to define.


The Inlsaw/Indio Reservation Gambling Gambit:

Thus it is possible for GCHQ to monitor the necessary domestic or 
foreign circuits of interest and pass them on to NSA through the UKUSA 
Agreement. Once they were received, NSA could process the 
communications through its own computers and analysts, targeting and 
watch-listing Americans with impunity, since the action would not be 
covered under the FISA statute or any other law. 


Debbie Does Deputy Dog:

No such exclusion, however, was ever included in the final FISA 
statute. Instead, the statute now calls for what one constitutional law 
expert has termed "compulsory spy service," requiring "communications 
common carriers, their officers, employees, and agents . . . to provide 
information, facilities, or technical assistance to persons
authorized by law to intercept wire or oral communications or to 
conduct electronic surveillance" and also ordering them to protect the 
secrecy of the operations. 


CAMP Revisited / Crypto Uzis for Deputy Dog:

Under the Reagan executive order, the NSA can now, apparently, be 
authorized to lend its full cryptanalytic support--analysts as well as 
computers--to "any department or agency" in the federal government and, 
"when lives are endangered," even to local police departments. 


David Waters Predicts SmartSSNCards:

     Tons of electronic surveillance equipment at this moment are 
     interconnected within our domestic and international common 
     carrier telecommunications systems. Much more is under contract 
     for installation. Perhaps this equipment is humming away in a 
     semi-quiescent state wherein at present "no citizen is targeted"; 
     simply scanned. . . How soon will it be, however, before a punched 
     card will quietly be dropped into the machine, a card having your 
     telephone number, my telephone number, or the number of one of our 
     friends to whom we will be speaking? 


And once we've rid ourselves of those pesky humans...:

"HUMINT [Human Intelligence] is subject to all of the mental 
aberrations of the source as well as the interpreter of the source," 
Lieutenant General Marshall S. Carter once explained. "SIGINT isn't. 
SIGINT has technical aberrations which give it away almost immediately 
if it does not have bona fides, if it is not legitimate. A good
analyst can tell very, very quickly whether this is an attempt at 
disinformation, at confusion, from SIGINT. You can't do that from 
HUMINT; you don't have the bona fides--what are his sources? He may be 
the source, but what are his sources?" 


Chuck Conners Appointed To Supreme Court--Cows Nervous:

Can it be that the Constitution affords no protection against such 
invasions of individual security? * 

     * Justice Brandeis answered his own question when he quoted from 
     Boyd v. United States (116 u.s. 616): "It is not the breaking of 
     his doors, and the rummaging of his drawers that constitutes the 
     essence of the offense; but it is the invasion of his indefensible 
     right of personal security, personal liberty, and private 
     property. (277 U.S.438, at pages 474-475.) 


Army of (Black) Dog / Take A Bite Out Of Technotyranny:

I don't want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the 
capacity that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must 
see to it that this agency and all agencies that possess this
technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that 
we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there no 
return.






From afabbro at umich.edu  Sat Mar 21 21:08:44 1998
From: afabbro at umich.edu (andrew fabbro)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:08:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crypto, anyone?
Message-ID: 


I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in discussing
cryptography, personal privacy, security protocols, digital signatures,
anonymous remailers, digital cash, crypto anarchy...?  No?  OK, then we
can go back to spam, Microsoft bashing, calling each other "idiots" and
"chickens," and forwarding News of the Weird for no obvious reason.


-- 
 Andrew Fabbro   [afabbro at umich.edu]   [andrewf at jesuswept.com]
 http://www-personal.umich.edu/~afabbro/          313.647.2713 
 "We make money the old fashion way. We print it." - DigiCrime






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Sat Mar 21 21:48:12 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:48:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: My Most Abject Apologies
Message-ID: <4a5fa05.3514a5d6@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-21 22:31:05 EST, paulmerrill at acm.org writes:

<< > In a message dated 98-03-21 02:51:23 EST, you write:
 > 
 > << OTOH I hear , liberally intermingled, >>
 
 WHat I mean is that 2/3 of the posts say they are screwing us out of our
 rights and 2/3 talk about proof and evidence.  Yeah that means that some
 talk about both. >>

Yea, but what I mean is, who are they accusing (the liberals, I'm guessing
(sorry cypher's, got a big gig coming up Friday night and I haven't been able
to read everything))?
 
 
<< > I'm sure it's happened (like anytime the police want to arrest a black
person,
 > for instance).
 >
 
 Or anyone else they decide to do it to. >>

Well, I'm normally a long-haired hippie, so I know what you're talking about.
That's part of our history.  But these days, at least here in Houston, they
seem to be laying off of us a bit, as they really have an idea who's giving
them the troubles (and it's the drunk cowboys in their pickup truck, they get
in a whole lot of wrecks!)

Oh, they still get us, though (through piss-testing (this ain't a 'Democracy'
anymore, it's 'Corporate Rule'))!

Stan





From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sat Mar 21 22:40:12 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:40:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crypto, anyone?
Message-ID: <199803220640.HAA13967@basement.replay.com>


andrew fabbro wrote:
> 
> I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in discussing
> cryptography, personal privacy, security protocols, digital signatures,
> anonymous remailers, digital cash, crypto anarchy...?  No?  OK, then we
> can go back to spam, Microsoft bashing, calling each other "idiots" and
> "chickens," and forwarding News of the Weird for no obvious reason.

What the fuck is crypto? Can you *say* that on a public mailing
list?
Isn't child cryptography illegal?
Isn't sharing pubic keys a form of perversion?
Is digital cash used to buy a blow-job?

"How can you tell when Windows is about to crash?"
	"It boots."







From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Sat Mar 21 23:17:19 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:17:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Emptying the trash...
Message-ID: <3514D686.5580@sk.sympatico.ca>


[Sent to Netscape feedback defartment]

The next trash I will be emptying will be my installation of Netscape.

Netscape has been my only browser since gaining InterNet access, but I
am not going to
use a product from a company who requires me to jump through hoops to
ensure privacy through strong encryption and then tells me to fuck off
because they are incapable of verifying my net persona and/or location.

If Netscape intends to make their software compliant with the wishes of
those who want to illegally monitor my location and identity, then they
should at least require those fascists to supply you with this
information for you to use for my convenience in acquiring your product.

I send weekly death threats to Bill Gates, but I'll bet my ass that
Micro$not lets me download their browser so that he can go to his grave
clutching my cash in his hand.

~~~~
Toto 






From an105 at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 22 02:46:46 1998
From: an105 at hotmail.com (an105 at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 02:46:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: stand-by
Message-ID: <011297055501222@mix1.Sacramento.mci.net>





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years since and received acclaim from state departments' of insurance 
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come your way.

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ignorance."

                                                       Best wishes,

                                                       Tony Braga

deserve link:  http://www.sure-net.com/deserve.html





From jya at pipeline.com  Sun Mar 22 06:56:38 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 06:56:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rivest's Chaffing and Winnowing
Message-ID: <199803221456.JAA07529@camel8.mindspring.com>


   The New York Times, March 22, 1998, p. 31.

   New Method To Veil Data Could Upstage Export Policy 

      Cryptologists find a way to foil eavesdroppers without
      secret codes.

   By John Markoff

   San Francisco, March 21 -- One of the nation's leading
   computer scientists has proposed a novel technique for
   scrambling data that could circumvent Government export
   policies aimed at limiting the foreign sale of encryption
   technology.

   The technique, which was described this week in an Internet
   discussion among computer researchers, was introduced by
   Ronald L. Rivest, a computer scientist at the Massachusetts
   Institute of Technology and one of the inventors of the
   most widely used commercial encryption scheme, RSA.

   The new approach, which is described in a short technical
   paper that has been posted to Mr. Rivest's M.I.T. Web site
   (http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~rivest/chaffing.txt), is
   described as "chaffing and winnowing" digital information
   instead of encrypting it.

   According to Mr. Rivest's paper, it is possible to hide a
   message by breaking it into packets that are then secretly
   identified as good information, or "wheat," and gibberish,
   or "chaff," in such a way that an eavesdropper cannot
   distinguish the two.

   Because the individual packets would not be encrypted, Mr.
   Rivest said, such a system would circumvent current export
   restrictions.

   The two principal ways of communicating in secret are
   encryption and steganography. Steganography uses computer
   techniques to embed a secret message in a document like a
   digital image. In encryption, secret information is encoded
   using functions that require difficult mathematical tasks
   to decode, and it has become the standard way of
   transmitting secret information electronically.

   There are no restrictions on the domestic use of this
   technology, but the Government has been trying to force the
   industry to adopt standards that would permit
   law-enforcement officials to have mathematical keys
   allowing them to decode messages without the knowledge of
   the sender or receiver. The Clinton Administration says the
   standards are needed to fight crime and terrorism.
   Opponents argue that the Government decoding keys, to be
   stored in computers, could easily be stolen, compromising
   privacy and the security of credit card numbers and other
   personal information.

   In terms of exports, with few exceptions the Government
   limits the software to codes that can be easily broken.

   "Winnowing does not employ encryption, and so does not have
   a 'decryption key,' " Mr. Rivest wrote in his paper. "As
   usual, the policy debate about regulating technology ends
   up being obsoleted by technological innovations."

   Peter Neumann, an SRI International computer scientist who
   has read Mr. Rivest's paper, said that although "there is
   still no certainty that this is a practical idea," if it
   works, "it throws another clinker at the Justice
   Department."

   Other cryptography experts said they were uncertain whether
   it would be possible to skirt Government export
   restrictions in this way, but that the idea was an
   impressive new approach that might have valuable commercial
   applications.

   "He's a very clever guy," said George Spix, a Microsoft
   researcher who specializes in cryptography policy issues.
   " It goes to show that for all the technological wizardry
   in the world, there's nothing like an intellect."

   One of the potential limitations of the new method is that
   the total information transmitted might need to be hundreds
   of times larger than the actual message.

   Mr. Rivest said, however, that he had discussed the idea
   with Adi Shamir, an Israeli cryptographer, and that Mr.
   Shamir had proposed compression methods that would reduce
   the total transmission to only about twice the actual
   message size.

   The strength of the idea for chaffing and winnowing is that

   it is possible to prove mathematically that a message
   cannot be decoded, Mr. Rivest said.

   He said he had come up with the idea recently while
   teaching an undergraduate computer course.

   In addition to his role as associate director of the
   Laboratory of Computer Science at M.I.T., Mr. Rivest is a
   consultant and shareholder in RSA Data Security Inc., a
   company that develops encryption software.

   "I put the winnowing and chaffing idea out there to
   stimulate debate,"' Mr. Rivest said. "I hope it will help
   clear up some of the issues that have been raised in the
   policy discussion.
             
   [End]









From jya at pipeline.com  Sun Mar 22 08:26:21 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:26:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Prediction: NAI will issue a "Clarification" about PGP     from  Europe
In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980321224959.008e34b0@cnw.com>
Message-ID: <199803221626.LAA10101@camel8.mindspring.com>


Robert Hettinga wrote:

>John has the drugs. Talk to him. Then you'll ***Understand***...

You talking to me? Look at me! Let's settle this now. Get it 
straight from the purple nose: Not drugs, nuts, A-grade shit, 
highest quality, cheap E$, dosing me and the other Messiahs 
vampiring Big DaddyMommy -- that spaced-out hermaphroditic 
duo's infinitely beyond  psycho-pharmacological cryptanalysis.

Try it, you'll like it. Endorsed by Thor and Brunhilde, Zeus and Juno, 
Samson and Delilah, Amazons and Moses, Cleopatra and  Nero, 
Jesus and FHC,  Atilla and Joan d'Arc, Machiavelli and Teresa de 
Avilla, Nietzsche and Cosima, Hitler and Eva, Ghandi and Queen 
Mary, Elvis and Janis, Paglia and Dice Clay, Teller and Penn, Pogo 
and Dilbert, NSA and BXA, and others here faking normalcy:

Watch for very clear articulation, point by point argument, neat
numbered paragraphs, implacable coherency, occcasional bullet
spray for emphasis, peculiar indents and concussion grenades, 
unpredictable ellipses of EM wipeout, wide-area split infinitives, 
carpet bombs of dangling modifiers, genocidal threats at contra-blancos,
vile accusations of self-flagellations, all with not a hair or beard out 
of place, a sure sign of uh oh, don't jiggle this nitroid.

That's just those who post. The others back there, well. 








From sergey at pelican.el.net  Sun Mar 22 09:18:29 1998
From: sergey at pelican.el.net (Sergey Goldgaber)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:18:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rivest's Chaffing and Winnowing
In-Reply-To: <199803221456.JAA07529@camel8.mindspring.com>
Message-ID: 


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, John Young wrote:

>    The New York Times, March 22, 1998, p. 31.
>
>    New Method To Veil Data Could Upstage Export Policy
>
>       Cryptologists find a way to foil eavesdroppers without
>       secret codes.

As if steganography was new.

>    The new approach, which is described in a short technical
>    paper that has been posted to Mr. Rivest's M.I.T. Web site
>    (http://theory.lcs.mit.edu/~rivest/chaffing.txt), is
>    described as "chaffing and winnowing" digital information
>    instead of encrypting it.

Using steganoraphic techniques on low-level elements of
network communication (packets) was considered many years ago
in this very forum.  A particular suggestion seemed much more
effective than Rivest's proposal.  It aim was to hide
information among seemingly innocuous communication.  Whereas,
it is obvious to any observer of a "chaffing" exchange that
an abnormal exchange was taking place.

Of course, if all communication was "chaffed" then that same
exchange would seem perfectly ordinary.  However, the chaffing
technique (creating "bogus" packets, transmitting them along
with the real information, and seperating the two) creates
a lot of overhead... which may not use much bandwidth if
used occasionally, but would create a serious problem if
everyone did it all the time.

>    According to Mr. Rivest's paper, it is possible to hide a
>    message by breaking it into packets that are then secretly
>    identified as good information, or "wheat," and gibberish,
>    or "chaff," in such a way that an eavesdropper cannot
>    distinguish the two.

The earlier suggestion was to hide information in unused, least
significant, portions of the packet _header_, leaving the data
portion intact.  Thus, the overhead of creating "bogus" packets
is eliminated, the bandwidth used in sending them is conserved,
and the processing power used in seperating the "wheat" from the
"chaff" is freed.

Further, by all accounts, the data transmitted would seem
perfectly ordinary to an eavesdropper.  It could be a poem or
a picture.  However, it would be completely irrelevant, as
the real message is hidden in the header.

Finally, there are the more traditional steganographic techniques
such as using the least significant bits of gifs, jpegs, and wavs.
And, most intriguing of all, mimic functions.


 ............................................................................
 . Sergey Goldgaber                  Senior System Engineer  .
 ............................................................................
 .   To him who does not know the world is on fire, I have nothing to say   .
 .                                                      - Bertholt Brecht   .
 ............................................................................

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From rah at shipwright.com  Sun Mar 22 12:28:15 1998
From: rah at shipwright.com (Robert Hettinga)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:28:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Prediction: NAI will issue a "Clarification" about PGP      from  Europe
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


At 11:27 AM -0500 on 3/22/98, John Young wrote:

> You

>well.

Keewwwl...

So. John. Don't the trees look like stuffed animals this morning?

Cheers,
Bob Hettinga



-----------------
Robert Hettinga (rah at shipwright.com), Philodox
e$, 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA
"... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity,
[predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to
experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'
The e$ Home Page: http://www.shipwright.com/







From Shane.Pearson at tafensw.edu.au  Sun Mar 22 15:32:31 1998
From: Shane.Pearson at tafensw.edu.au (Pearson Shane)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:32:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
Message-ID: 


Hi Stan,

Yeah.

Since the big powersupply transformer primary winding
is in _parallel_ with the AC power coming from the wall,
this inductor will transfer the spikes, etc to the
secondary winding and into the bridge rectifier, etc quite
nicely. But decent ripple prevention should also help out
here. Though this hasn't much to do with PC switchmode
powersupplies.

An inductor/capacitor spike filter that may be in UPS'
would have 2 large inductors in _series_ with the active
and neutral and high voltage capacitors in parallel with
both ends of the inductors across the active and neutral.
This is specifically designed as a low pass filter for
getting rid of spikes.

I don't think the SW supply would do it quite as well with
as much power handling, strength etc. I'd rather a great
big low pass filter designed for spike dampening doing the
deed than having my PC power supply bearing the brunt of it.

It's also an extra layer that is quite cheap.

Bye for now.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	StanSquncr [SMTP:StanSquncr at aol.com]
> Sent:	Saturday, March 21, 1998 8:51 AM
> To:	Pearson Shane; spectre at anthrax.net; cypherpunks at toad.com
> Subject:	Re: UPSs
> 
> In a message dated 98-03-19 18:48:51 EST, Shane.Pearson at tafensw.edu.au
> writes:
> 
> << A simple low pass filter made of 2 large inductors and a
>  few high voltage capacitors will do the trick nicely. >>
> 
> Right.  The filtering that's already in the power-supply (except that
> the
> switching transformer isn't as big as an inductor as a normal
> old-style power
> transformer.
> 
> Stan





From kevlar at smartlink.net  Sun Mar 22 16:01:09 1998
From: kevlar at smartlink.net (Kevlar)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:01:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rivest's Chaffing and Winnowing
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980322155953.0079b990@mail.smartlink.net>


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Hash: SHA1

Now I read about this before it was mentioned on this list, and wanted
to comment briefly upon it.

Although at first glance this appears to be a hopelessly ineffective
way of communicating (it requires double the information, plus MAC's),
It does have some interesting possibilities.

For instance... Rivest mentioned in his technical paper that you might
use this in a situtation where you are multiplexing two or more
streams of information, in which one persons "wheat" is another
persons "chaff"... This would elminate the need to generate random
"chaff", and therefore bring the ammount of wasted space WAY down... I
could see this in use in situtations like LAN's or intranets, where
bandwidth is not nearly as much of a concern because there is usally
an overabundance anyway.

Something else that occured to me while reading this tho... a major
flaw if implemented "out of the book"....

He mentions generating random MAC's... and this would be allright
because the chance of randomly generating a genuine MAC is 2**64, or
10**19, but that is unacceptable, as the law of advrages WILL catch up
to you eventualy. Therefore his second party adding chaff idea is
failable. Of corse, this is easliy remedied at run-time by checking to
see if the MAC that was just randomly generated is genuine, and
therefore unacceptable.

I hope to stimulate discussion on this subject, and welcome your
opinions about mine...

Peace.
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-Kevlar


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From admin at aspenlinx.com  Sun Mar 22 21:27:47 1998
From: admin at aspenlinx.com (Aspen)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:27:47 +0800
Subject: My post earlier.
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970321051436.006b5c5c@ecom.net>



Sup, It's Kevlar.
I posted earlier about the "new" encryption method.
It occured to me if you assign the "MAC"'s to computers

and make a simple router 
(some transistors to act at "signaler" lines, one way of corse, so 3 a
computer, A few ic's, hardware, and a power supply, ($75)), 

You have the makings for a basic network. Isn't that allready pattented?

Hope I made somebody think for a second. I know I concidered this notion
quiet a bit.







From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Mon Mar 23 13:38:23 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:38:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Privacy Development Project
Message-ID: <199803232138.WAA23825@basement.replay.com>



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Software development firm focusing on Internet privacy and anonymity tools is
looking for developers and consultants.  Applicants should be interested in the
possibility of relocation or travel as development is being done outside of the
United States.  Applicants will be applying to join an aggressive team, where
intelligence, entrepreneurial spirit and technology skills are valued and
rewarded.  Positions offer competitive salary and benefits along with stock
options and bonuses.

Interested applicants are asked to forward your c.v. by e-mail to:

anonjobs at nym.alias.net


Positions Offered:
------------------

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************************************************************

The ideal candidate should be very familiar with anonymous remailers (Type I,
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From rdew at el.nec.com  Mon Mar 23 14:53:58 1998
From: rdew at el.nec.com (Bob De Witt)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:53:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
Message-ID: <199803232252.OAA08217@yginsburg.el.nec.com>


Stan,

Clearly you only considered a few of the semi-cons.  Others just stop
working, while still others pass anything above the manufacturer design
max.  Your lack of desire to learn indicates a possible reason why you 
don't seem to understand ...

At my age, I forget some ...  What is that old adage about leading a 
horse to water, but you can't make him read?  or something like that!

Bob De Witt,
rdew at el.nec.com
The views expressed herein are my own,
and are not attributable to any other
source, be it employer, friend or foe.


> From StanSquncr at aol.com Fri Mar 20 14:43:46 1998
> From: StanSquncr 
> Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:50:55 EST
> To: rdew at el.nec.com, spectre at anthrax.net, cypherpunks at toad.com
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Subject: Re: UPSs
> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
> 
> In a message dated 98-03-20 16:04:24 EST, rdew at el.nec.com writes:
> 
> << If your surge protector is a semi-conductor, it probably will be 
>  self-limiting.  That is, it will reach a maximum block, and pass
>  whatever is above that.  >>
> 
> Yes, but what you fail to point out, is the reason it will pass everything, it
> will have been blown (shorted, most likely).
> 
> So, because you failed to point this out, I figure the rest of your response
> isn't worth responding to.
> 
> Stan
> 





From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Mon Mar 23 15:29:51 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:29:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: AntiChrist Rules
Message-ID: <199803232329.AAA09939@basement.replay.com>



---------- Forwarded from [argo at death.com] ---------

For those of you fellas who still have the OLD excel 95 (not office 97),
try this out :


1. open a new file

2. scroll down until you see row 95

3. click on the row 95 button, this highlights the whole row

4. press tab, to move to the second column

5. now, move your mouse and click on help THEN about Microsoft excel

6. press ctrl-alt-shift and click on the tech support button simultaneously

7. A WINDOW WILL APPEAR, TITLE : THE HALL OF TORTURED SOULS

   This is really eerie okay...it has a doom style format and you can
walk all around the hall...and on the sides of the walls are the names
of the tortured souls...


8. NOW WALK UP THE STAIRS AND THEN COME BACK DOWN, FACE THE BLANK WALK
AND THEN TYPE IN EXCELKFA this will open the blank wall to reveal
another secret passage, walk through the passage and DO NOT fall off,
when you get to the end, you will see something really really eerie...

At this point in time, countless witnesses all over the world have
verified this point...it's really an eye opener. It could be a joke by
MS programmers ,or is it?


Wouldn't be surprised if Bill Gates was "The Antichrist", after all
it,was already foretold in the Bible that someone powerful would rise
up and lead the world to destruction.  And Bill Gates definitely have
that kind of power in his hands. More than 80% of the world's
computers run on Windows and DOS (including those at Pentagon!)  If
all his products have some kind of small program embedded (like this
Hall of Tortured Souls) that can give him control, setting off nuclear
arsenals, creating havoc in security systems, financial systems all
over the world,etc......all from his headquarters isn't a far off
reality! Just using Internet Explorer may just allow him to map out
what you have on your computer bit by bit each time you log on.
Perhaps the end times are near and this is just a tip of the iceberg!?

"He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free
andslave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so
that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the
name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If
anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it
is man's number. His number is 666 ."    ....Revelation 13:16-18


Something for you to think about.

An eerie E-mail for everybody to think about...

The Bible, in the Book of Revelation says that without the sign of the
beast one would not be able to buy, sell, do business
transactions,etc.....  and

My question to you now is this..... Is Internet now a necessity in
doing business?  The Internet also bears the sign....

Note that the Internet is also commonly known as the World Wide Web or WWW..
...

One other way we write W is V/   (VI), so .....

              W   W   W

              VI  VI  VI

              6   6   6


This gives me something to ponder upon ... Isn't everything going
towards the Internet? (i.e., buying / selling goods, business
transactions) Isn't Microsoft always on the move to have a monopoly
when it comes to software technology? And now the Internet?

Revelation also says that the mark of the beast will be carried on
one's Hand and one's forehead.....If the Internet would indeed be the
sign of the beast aren't we all starting to carry it on our hands and
foreheads???  Screens (forehead) and make use of the mouse (hand) ???

Are things finally falling into place or are we just letting our
imagination run?

Remember, the devil came to cheat, steal, and to destroy......... so
be VIGILANT!!!!  About Bill Gates and Microsoft. PROOF that Bill Gates
is the Devil:

The real name of "the" Bill Gates is William Henry Gates
III. Nowadays, he is known as Bill Gates (III), where III means the
order of third (3rd).

By converting the letters of his current name to the ASCII-values and
adding his (III),you get the following:

      B  66

      I  73

      L  76

      L  76

      G  71

      A  65

      T  84

      E  69

      S  83

      I   1

      I   1

      I   1

  ---------------

        666 !!!!        THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST.......

Some might think ask, "How did Bill Gates get so powerful?"
Coincidence?  Or just the beginning of mankind's ultimate and total
enslavement?

Before you decide, consider the following:

      MS-DOS 6.21

 77+83+45+68+79+83+32+54+46+50+49 = 666

      WINDOWS95

 87+73+78+68+79+87+83+57+53+1= 666

Coincidence?  You decide...."To agree or to not agree with the WWW or
the Beast", is not the question.  What if the WWW is the 666? Or Bill
Gates be the Beast?

What will you do?? Cancel subscriptions to the Internet?  Resign from
Microsoft? Set out a campaign against Bill Gates in the Internet? Shut
down all Windows95 forever?  It will not do you any good.....

Think about all this and pray, pray really hard, or
else......... 
Never Stop Believing....







From StanSquncr at aol.com  Mon Mar 23 15:30:57 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:30:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs (and downs ;-) )
Message-ID: <700c3b7a.3516ebbd@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-23 17:53:21 EST, rdew at el.nec.com writes:

<< Stan,
 
 Clearly you only considered a few of the semi-cons. >>

Which ones?  What do you call a nun that's had a sex-change operation?

A trans-sister, what else?  :-)


<< Others just stop working >>

You pass enough current through any semi-conductor, it will short, I do
believe.  And, see below.


<< while still others pass anything above the manufacturer design max. >>

It will short, then it will fry so bad because of the heat from that, that it
will eventually open.


<< Your lack of desire to learn ... >>

'Straw-man' argument.


<< ... indicates a possible reason why you don't seem to understand ... >>

I'll allow our fellow cypherpunks (in particular, the ones with enough guts to
use a name instead of 'anom' :-) ) to decide for themselves if they think I
understand or not.

 
<< At my age, I forget some ... >>

So what's your age, the tube age?  So, you don't really know anything about
semi-conductors, do you?   ;-)

Stan,
Stan and the Sequencers
http://members.aol.com/StanSquncr/

Brave Combo on our gig in Houston this Friday night (their website, newletter
page, Hot Dates) - "This show will feature a surprise guest opening the show.
Don't miss it. Seriously, don't miss it. ... " 





From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Mon Mar 23 15:44:34 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:44:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Youwon'thave?To?Totokickaroundanymore...
Message-ID: <35170F43.2C65@sk.sympatico.ca>


sincethedeathofGomez,myunclehashadadrinkinhishandconstantly,exceptwhen
hehasdroppeditonhiskeyboard,fuckingitupandmakingitdostrangethings,suchas
nolongermakingspacesappearwhenhepressesthespacekey,whichisnormally
calledsomethingelse,however,Ican'ttellyouwhatitscalled,sincethekeyusedtospell
itdoesn'twork,either.
(hint,veavsi&vutthead,vadvoy-vadvoy-whatcha-gonna-do,whatchagonnadowhen
theycomeforyou?,iputthequestionmarkinvyhittingtherightenterkey...)
tousetheshiftkeyIhavetotypeanextraletter,sincetheshiftkey,leftone,doesadelete-
vackspacevevoreaddingtheshiftedcharacter.
thedeathofgomez,whichhappenedwhenthe?N?S?A-?C?I?A?(therightshiftkey
addsaquestionmarkveforeaddingtheshiftedcharacter)

writingthisislikewhatmyuncletellsmeavoutveingonlsd,hee-hee...
couldsomeonesendthisto-villg-at-microsoft.com,please,sinceican't
typeayou-know-what-inthecccolonfield?(iputthatquestionmarkinvyhitting
the?keywithoutdoingashiftkey--also,ifiguredoutthatthe'v'key,youknowwhich
oneimean,doesa'control-v',sinceittriestomakethecharacters'vold'wheni
hititvymistake.
andcoulddavesmithputthisonhissightasprologue-numverslash0.?(thenumver
onekeydoesn'tworkeither,vuticanputaquestionmarkattheendofasentence
andthenuseparenthesiswhilesavingakeystrokevecausethekeyvoardputs
the?inautomaticallywheniusetherightshiftkey.
itisreallyweirdtypingthisstuffwithakeyvoardthatdoesthingsthatarenotdone
thewaythatmyvrainandfingersarewired.ivetthatificouldputspacesinthis,
thateveryonewouldthinkthatjohnyoungwaswritingit.

anyway,ifanyofyouarereally,reallystoned,sostillreadingthisvecauseyou
understanditanddon'tseeanythingoddavoutit,couldyoudoakeywordsearch
inyahoomountaindeworsomeothersearchengineforaprogramthatletsa
personcustomizethekeyvoardsothattheycanusedifferentkeystomakethe
charactersthatdon'tworkonthiskeyvoard,andsenditvyemailto-toto-at-the
addresswhereallthespamvullshitandcrapolatothecypherpunkslistcomes
from?--iamaskingyoutodothisvecausehefuckedupmycomputer,2.
myuncleisjustanoldvrokendowndrunkenasshole,vuticanfixhiscomputer
ifigetakeyvoardcustomizingprogram,sothanksifyoucansendit.

ifsomeonecoulddothis,theniwouldpromisetoquitaskingthecypherpunks
womeniftheyarewearingpanties--i'mlying,vuti'mjustakid...
ok,vuticouldofferyouavlow-jovifyoudoit,fromoneofvianca'schild-girl
apprentices,althoughtheywillkillmewhentheyreadthis...

ok,i'mgoingnow,vutihopesomeonewillsendmeaprogramthatwill
helpmefixmyuncle'scomputer,evenifhewilluseittospamyourmailing
listwithstuffthatyoushouldvelisteningto,exceptthathemakesitsothat
youcan'tunderstandwhathe'ssayingunlessyoureallydoputacorkin
yourassholesothatyoucanquitthinkinglikeasheeple.

thanks,
humangus-peter
?(anotherguywhosendsyoushitthatyouwishpeoplewouldstopsending
toyourmailinglist,eventhoughithinkyouguysarecool,eventhegrouchy
onesliketimmayandthespookyguyslikekentcrispinwhowouldprovavly
veacircleofeunuchsguyiftheyweren'twatchinghimsoclose--he'sstill
alive,likedalethorn.?)
isn'titcoolhowiautomaticallygetaquestionmarkveforetheparenthesis,and
canmakeaquestionmarkwithoutusingtheshiftkey?
pps-ifyoudon'tunderstandsemiotics,thentherearekidsinsaskatchewan
whoaresmarterthanyou,evenifyouknowavoutplutoniumdecayratesand
wheretheyellowwiregoes.
i'llquitveforeyouthinki'mascrazyasmyuncle.
ppps-i'malwaysaskingpeoplewhopostfrom?A?(h?)?O?Liftheyarewearing
panties,vuttheydon'tgetthejoke,andi'mnotsurethatido,either,vuti'mgoing
tokeepondoingit.
pppps-anarchistusedeltekeys,they'reimmortalcypherpunks...






From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Mon Mar 23 15:54:39 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:54:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: UPSs
In-Reply-To: <199803232252.OAA08217@yginsburg.el.nec.com>
Message-ID: <3517119E.41AC@sk.sympatico.ca>


Bob De Witt wrote:
> Clearly you only considered a few of the semi-cons.  Others just stop
> working, while still others pass anything above the manufacturer design
> max.  Your lack of desire to learn indicates a possible reason why you
> don't seem to understand ...

THEFIRSTCOMPUTERSYSTEMTHATMYUNCLEINSTALLED,LIGHTNINGHITANDITSMOKEDTHE
UPSANDTHECOMPUTERWASOKAFTERWARDS.
THENEXTUPSTHATHESMOKEDWASWHENHEWASREDOINGTHEPLUGINSTUFFANDHEPLUGEDTHE
UPSINTOITSELF,ANDHESAIDITWASLIKINGSTICKINGYOURDICKINYOUROWNASSHOLE,
ANDITSPITOUTPUFFSOFWHITESMOKEANDDIEDOFDIGITAL,SELF-INFLICTEDAIDS.
MARTIN,THEMADSCIENTISTFIXEDITFORHIMWITHFIFTYCENTSWORTHOFPARTSFROM
RADIOSHACK,SINCETHEREARESTILLAFEWPEOPLEWHOCANFIXTHINGSWITHOUT
FORMATTINGTHEHARDDRIVEANDREINSTALLINGWINDOWS,LIKETHECROOKSWHO
HAVEACOMPUTERCOMPANYANDSTILLDON'TKNOWANYTHINGTODOWITHCOMPUTERS
DO.

HUMANGUS-PETER?(WHOCAN'TPUTSPACESINWHATHEWRITESCAUSEHISUNCLE
ISASORRYDRUNKWHOSPILLSSCOTCHANDCOKEONTHEPARTOFTHECOMPUTERWHICH
MAKESWORDSAPPEARWHENYOUSTRIKETHEKEYS,HOWEVER,ICAN'TTELLYOUWHAT
PARTTHATIS,SINCETHEKEYUSEDTOSPELLITDOESN'TWORKANYMORE.
PS-I'MDRINKINGMYUNCLE'SSCOTCH,HOWEVER,THATISNOTWHYTHISMESSAGE
ISSOWEIRD,IT'SONACCOUNTOFHIMDRINKINGSCOTCH,NOTME...






From mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu  Mon Mar 23 17:00:51 1998
From: mix at anon.lcs.mit.edu (lcs Mixmaster Remailer)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:00:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Cryptologic...
Message-ID: <19980324010007.27399.qmail@nym.alias.net>


Has anyone ever taken a look at Cryptologic (www.cryptologic.com)?  They make Internet casino software and processed 
500 million dollars in bets last year with their 'Proprietary' encryption algorithm for security and their own ecash system.

You'd think with that much money being transmitted over the net with an untested algorithm, someone might just 
test the situation for them....

Maybe someone already has, and doesn't feel like making it public?

Who knows...







From StanSquncr at aol.com  Mon Mar 23 19:12:54 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:12:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Bill Gates the AntiChrist?
Message-ID: <8a19a03a.3517248f@aol.com>


Sorry "nobody", your buddy Pat Robertson is the anti-Christ, therefore, it
ain't Bill.  And if it isn't Pat Robertson, it's your boss Rep. Newt Gingrich
("King(OfThe)Rich").  ;-)

In a message dated 98-03-23 19:11:31 EST, a real "nobody" writes:

<< "He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free
 andslave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so
 that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the
 name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If
 anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it
 is man's number. His number is 666 ."    ....Revelation 13:16-18 >>

Former President Ronald Reagan (other wise known as the 'piss-test President')
bought a house with the address of 666, as I understand.

Stan
=======
"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians
and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have
to be nice to the spirit of the anti-Christ." (Pat Robertson - The 700 Club,
January 14, 1991)





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From: thecompanyprez at a-vip.com (thecompanyprez at a-vip.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:09:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 9 out of 10 Americans are owed an average of $1,200.00 each!
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:09:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 9 out of 10 Americans are owed an average of $1,200.00 each!
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There is over 400 BILLION DOLLARS in unclaimed and 
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get their money back! 

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of viewers about the over 400 BILLION DOLLARS that needs to be 
returned to it's rightful owners.
 
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From ualdv8 at sk.sympatico.ca  Mon Mar 23 20:11:00 1998
From: ualdv8 at sk.sympatico.ca (Six)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:11:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Prologue 11/0 -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS !!!
Message-ID: <351732E1.7254@sk.sympatico.ca>


Prologue 10/0 -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!!
----------------------------------------------

[Author's Nephew Note: My uncle started writing this chapter, which is
 the first one he actually wrote in his own autobiography, since it was
 started by god-only-knows-who (TM) but I am going to finish it, since
 space-bar aliens stole his drugs and his 'b' key, etc., and I know
 everything he knows, only I'm not going to sugar-coat it, since I'm
 just a kid and I want to have a life, which I'm not going to have
 if you old guys and broads keep fucking up the world the way you
 have been doing so far.
 If you don't like what I have to say, then it's just because you are
 too comfortable in your beliefs and your position in life to risk
 upsetting the apple-cart in order to really support the people and
 belief-systems that you know are the right ones to make the world
 a place where everyone will really be free and have rights, even if
 you have to lose some of the things you have in order for others
 to be able to have a chance to compete with you, even if they
 don't have big guns and nuclear weapons.
 Sorry I have to speak honestly, but we're all fucked if things don't
 change real soon, so that everyone can contribute to rEvolution.
 Thanks.]
[p.s. - I still can't use my browser, but I can use email, so send
 my uncle a keyboard-fixer pointer or program, if you can. Thanks.]
[p.p.s. - If you are sober and straight, then you might have noticed
 that my post "Youwon'thaveTototokcikaroundanymore" to the cypherpunks
 list spelled 'keyboard' correctly, even though I claimed that the
 'b'/'v' key didn't work. It does, in fact, work, about one time in
 ten. The fact that it worked intitially, in order to make it look
 like I am crazy, like my uncle, and just making all of this shit
 up, is either due to Murphy's Law, or to the ongoing plot by the
 Evil One and the Forces of Darkness against Scotch drinkers.]

[Prologue 10/0, proper:] 

Army of One:
  Ted Kaczynski

Army of Sundry:
  Timothy McVeigh

Army of God:
  Dr. William Michael Bray

Army of Dog:
Dr. Wm. Michael Denney:

  Anyone who has followed the Fusillade Follies with even a modicum of 
interest is  likely  to have noted that, in Guerilla Operations, the old 
adage, "There's safety in numbers.", does not apply.

  The Uno-bomber was successful for a period spanning decades quite 
simply  because he lived and acted within a sphere of individual 
anarchism which approached being as exemplary a model as is possible to 
aspire to in the current social and governmental environment of our 
times.
  Most importantly, he exhibited a level of self-reliance which allowed 
him to avoid  many of the governmental regulations and societal 
entrapments which are used to monitor, categorize and  attach physical, 
mental, emotional, and spiritual footprints to the majority of the 
Sheepletariat herded in the comfortable feeding pens provided for them
by those whose ultimate goal is to clip their wool and eat their meat.

  In the end, TK opted to forgoe the immortality of infamy for a turn 
upon the public soapbox which elevates us above the maddening crowd and 
into the limelight for our fifteen minutes of fame, and which is then 
dismantled in order to build the crucifix upon which our carcass is 
publically raized. (This, however, is merely an illusion propogated by 
the rulers to please the masses. The truth of the matter is, the end
we eventually come to is inevitably the result of being hoisted on our 
own petard.)

  His success in promoting his agenda over a considerable length of time 
was in avoiding the attachment, which is so natural for us, of our 
physical, mental and emotional self-image to the herd which surrounds 
us.
  Too little, and too late, do we usually stop to make our own 
evaluation as to where the  herd is headed--be it into the pen, over the 
cliff, or into the railway cars. It  is only when we attempt to leave 
the herd that we encounter the teeth of the dogs that the masters have 
set upon us, to keep us from straying from the destiny the butchers 
have preordained for us from the moment of our bleating birth.
  Those Sheeple who manage to separate from the herd usually do so,  not 
by *bolting* from the pack, but by *wandering* from the pack, whether it 
be out of ignorance or cunning. The same applies to the Wolverines in 
Sheeples clothing.

"Picture a weasel -- and most of us can do that, for we have met that 
little demon of destruction, that small atom of insensate courage, that 
symbol of slaughter, sleeplessness, and tireless, incredible activity -- 
picture that scrap of demoniac fury, multiply that mite some fifty 
times, and you have the likeness of a Wolverine." 
~	Ernest Thompson Seton 1906

  Timothy McVeigh succeeded in 

[OK, here's where *I* start, OK?]

  Timothy McVeigh succeeded in his attempt to give America a wake-up
call, due to the fact that he was the next step above Kaczynski, who
kept his own counsel, as Shakespeare would say.
  McVeigh 'kept it in the family.'

  TM shared his true goal/plan only with members of his immediate
(conceptual) family, such as Terry Nichols.
  He shared the concepts which he believed in with the members of
his extended family, such as those at Elohim City, which was why
the BATF, who had their spies in the encampment, were able to follow
and support TM's plan, and keep themselves alive by not being at
the Murrah Federal Building when the fertilizer/shit hit the fan,
despite the fact that they thought they could 'save the day' at the
last minute with a partial knowledge of McVeigh's plans.
 (The fact is, TM knew full well that 'the watchers' were keeping track
  of his actions/plans, so he purposely obstruficated them in order to
  give the BATF reason to believe that they could 'ride to the
  rescue' at the last moment.)


  Dr. William Michael Bray, an early follower of the underground
movement which resulted in the formation of the Circle of Eunuchs,
made the decision to take the concepts involved and move them into
a MeatSpace arena which would allow him to be a big fish in a little
pond--the arena of Fundamental Christian anti-abortion rhetoric.
  Dr. Bray promoted MeatSpace concepts which addressed the right of
individuals to make their own decisions as to what actions were
justified in countering the effects of that which they saw as evil
in the society around them. He was hung upon society's cross for
this, though they never quite managed to fully 'nail' him to it.

  What Dr. William Michael Bray was able to accomplish was basically
due to the fact that the concepts he expresed were valid, although
he failed to mention that each individual should first seek to explore
alternatives to first-strike/active-violence before acting, in case
there was an alternative route that they were capable of taking which
would be capable of achieving similar effects while doing a minimum
of damage to those who they believed must be prevented from continuing
their abuse of their fellow humans.
 (i.e. - Before acting upon the exhortations of TM [Tim May, Timothy 
McVeigh, TruthMonger], they should consider the exhortations of Blanc,
who is currently trying to distance herself, as much as possible, from
the sundry death threats being sent to BadBillyG by various entities
who have hacked Toto's account since his InterNet account password
was placed on the mailing lists of various hackers' confereneces.)

  A recent 'NightLine' TV show dealing with the 'Army of God' made
note of  the  fact that much of their success was due to the fact
that their actions were 'senseless' (hard to quantify, therefore hard
to trace, or attriute to a specific individual).
  In essence, the reason that the MeatSpace 'Army of God' has been so
effective is because they exist only in their own minds. The AOG
consists of individuals who have read and accepted the writings/works
of those in the anti-abortion movement, and have taken it upon themself
to take independent actions to interfere with things which they see
as being contrary to what they see as right/righteous.


  Dr. William Michael Denney, who was recently castrated from a company
which he founded, Basis Incorporated, by Prologic (an NSA/CIA company-
killing entity), also recognized the power of small gorilla units to
be able of acting according to their own conscience, without making
themself a visible target to those whose life revolves around hammering
down the nail that sticks up, even if their skin-color is not yellow,
their eyes are round, and they have never received an email from
Tim May which includes the words, "chop,chop."

  Dr. Denney, Gomez to those within the Magic Circle, had the character
and foresight to act on the dictates of his own conscience without ever
indulging in braggadacio in regard to his many accomplishments in 
subtly opposing the ongoing march of dark and evil technological forces
whose aim has always been to bring humankind under the thumb of the
bits and bytes which the Evil One has appointed to rule over the
independent, chaotic, evolution of humankind (formerly known as
'mankind,' before those 'uppity women' demanded the right to vote).

[The following is a note that my uncle made in regard to the
 direction that this chapter would take. You already know what
 he is referring to, although I will explain it for those of you
 who are George Carlin fans, and refuse to acknowledge any piece
 of inbred/inherent information/understanding until he has put
 it upon one of his comedy albums, or on an HBO special.]

{Global InterNet of individuals/Way to win war against Statism/NWO is
 to create maximum entropy/the chaos of semiotic rEvolution.--sog}

*** OK, the 'Army of Dog' is born!!! *** 

Army of Dog:

  Read that crapola that my uncle spammed to the CypherPunks
mailing list about BioSemiotics.
  Yeah, I know--it will hurt your head, but you really need
to understand this shit, since the advertising executives who
gave you Crest toothpaste and Ronnie RayGuns have evolved their
mind-control activities to encompass the new technologies being
opened up by the marriage of quantum physics and post-Darwinian
evolution theories.

  In essence, those who understand that TV was/is the 'opiate of
the people' have a 'cubic centimeter of chance' to understand 
that the InterNet is the 'evolution of the people.'
  If you truly understand this biosemiotic concept, then you
also have a remote chance of understanding that being *active*
in regard to the interactive extension of the mind-numbing
medium/opiate of TV enables you to participate in the true
rEvolution which will ultimately decide whether humankind is
an active particpant in the unfolding of the universe around
them, or merely a pawn in the cold, unfeeling evolution of
artificial intelligence which is pulling out to pass in the
fast lane of the Information Highway because it does not 
suffer from the same emotional and spiritual constraints of
the human entities who gave birth to it.


"The number of possible solutions for selection to scrutinise, and the
subtlety of the
communicational interactions, will tend to produce a no-win situation.
As a result 
selection cannot really �measure� the stakes of single players
(individuals, demes, or 
species) in the game, but it could still influence the choice of the
game itself. Plays, 
not players, are selected for."
~	Joseph Hoffmeyer


The Bottom Line: Whose play are you backing?

  Statism is not the enemy. rEvolution is not the enemy.
  The true enemy is our tendency to listen to the external 
voices which claim authority over our beliefs, values and
actions, as opposed to listening to the inner voice which
tells us when we are being true to the role which we were
born/destined to play upon our entry into this physical 
sphere which constitutes the 'gamewad' which we all must 
successfully transverse in order to move to the next level 
of 'play' in the universal scheme of things.

  The Statists are attempting to prevent the forward-reaching
rEvolutionaries from creating so much Chaos that there is no
way to steer the course of future human evolution.
  The rEvolutionaries are attempting to prevent the Statists
from writing the present in concrete, to the extent that those
whose goal in life is to fly too close to the sun will never
get off the ground.


  The Army of God represents every MeatSpace mentality which
strives to live by its limited, physically-oriented beliefs,
and force everyone else to do the same.
  Their glory is that they act upon those beliefs, even though
it goes contrary to the statist ethics and morals of those who
believe that the key to survival lies in not rocking the boat,
no matter how badly it is leaking.

  The Army of Dog represents every CyberSpace NetiZen who
strives to resist the imposition of MeatSpace mentality,
rules and laws upon a new social and governmental paridigm
which goes far beyond the physically limited rules and
regulations designed to enforce geographical ethics and
values upon a populace which is evolving beyond MeatSpace
limitations which Digital Dinosaurs are attempting to 
impose on the children of the Digital rEvolution.
  Their glory is that they act upon those beliefs, even though
it goes contrary to the statist ethics and morals of those who
believe that the key to survival lies in not rocking the boat,
no matter how badly it is leaking.

  The Army of Dog, like the Circle of Eunuchs, is an 
unstructured entity which is built upon the foundation
of 'A Thousand Points of Fight.'
  The result is an army of CyberSoldiers who are capable
of acting upon their own initiative, according to their
own ethics and values, without limiting their actions to
be consistent with a static view of ethics/morality defined
by an averaging of the Sheeple mentality with the views
espoused by the MainStream Press.

  Dave Foreman and Earth First exemplify an organization
of individuals who committed themselves to pursue a
commonly-held goal independently of one another, in ways
which reflected the individual's own talents, beliefs,
and self-proclaimed responsibilities to themselves and to
their fellow humans.
  CyberSpace, which represents the evolution of MeatSpace,
will fare no better than our current geophysical system,
unless CyberWarriors arise to guide and influence its
evolution in a manner that reflects the right of every
NetiZen to freely express their persona, character,
beliefs and personal ethics, without censorship or
repression from those who hold different beliefs and
values.

  The rEvolution is NOW!

  The key to moving the rEvolution of humankind forward
into a new paridigm that encompasses a Global Information
Democracy lies in instituting a Joe SixPack rEvolutionary
Recruitment Drive.
  Jane and Joe MeatSpace need to be unindated with information
which contadicts the mainstream psychobabble which they are
subjected to, each and every day, by those who wish to maintain
the status quo (which was designed to keep the Sheeple in
subjection to the rule/authority of those who occupy a
privileged position in our current society).

  If you are not promoting and taking part in the rEvolution
(which will decide the biosemiotic future of man, mind and
technology), then you are part of the breath-analyzer problem,
instead of the alcoholic solution...

[This last concept is undoubtedly the result of my having
 imbibed a bit too much of the hair of my uncle's Dog.
 "You're in the Army, now,
  You're in the Army, now,
  You'll never get rich, you son-of-a-bitch,
  You're in the Army now!"]

 (End of Bottle)






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Mon Mar 23 20:13:28 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:13:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Or is it Pat Robertson?
Message-ID: <59899767.351732c3@aol.com>


Sorry about the duplication, but I just decyphered something (is decyphering
ok on a 'cypher' list? :-) ) -

In a message dated 98-03-23 22:46:09 EST, StanSquncr at aol.com writes:

<< "You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the
Presbyterians
 and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't
have
 to be nice to the spirit of the anti-Christ." (Pat Robertson - The 700 Club,
 January 14, 1991) >>

You see, add 14 + 1 + 9 + 9 + 1 and you get 34.

700 - 34 is, guess what - 666!

I guess that proves it!  ;-)

Stan





From whgiii at invweb.net  Mon Mar 23 21:31:36 1998
From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:31:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Or is it Pat Robertson?
In-Reply-To: <59899767.351732c3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <199803240530.AAA09314@users.invweb.net>


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>Sorry about the duplication, but I just decyphered something (is
>decyphering ok on a 'cypher' list? :-) ) -

>In a message dated 98-03-23 22:46:09 EST, StanSquncr at aol.com writes:

><< "You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the
>Presbyterians
> and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I
>don't have
> to be nice to the spirit of the anti-Christ." (Pat Robertson - The 700
>Club,
> January 14, 1991) >>

>You see, add 14 + 1 + 9 + 9 + 1 and you get 34.

>700 - 34 is, guess what - 666!

>I guess that proves it!  ;-)

Hmmm Louis Farakan school of Number Theory

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From StanSquncr at aol.com  Mon Mar 23 23:08:54 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:08:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Or is it Pat Robertson?
Message-ID: 


In a message dated 98-03-24 00:31:09 EST, whgiii at invweb.net writes:

<< >You see, add 14 + 1 + 9 + 9 + 1 and you get 34.
 
 >700 - 34 is, guess what - 666!
 
 >I guess that proves it!  ;-)
 
 Hmmm Louis Farakan school of Number Theory >>

Hmmm, didn't seem to bother you when the same theory was used against Bill
Gates!  Not surprized, the response came from, you guessed it cypher's,
another paranoid "Know-nothing" -

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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Tue Mar 24 00:13:30 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:13:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Computer Expert Witness Needed *Immediately*
In-Reply-To: <01BD568F.52B445A0.slates@inreach.com>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980324000612.007ec9f0@popd.ix.netcom.com>


At 07:09 PM 3/23/98 -0800, "Roger D. Slates II"  wrote,
on another list:
>A computer expert is needed immediately to testify as an expert witness in
>an ongoing criminal matter in Federal District Court in Los Angeles.  Kevin
>Mitnick is seeking a highly credentialed expert in computer security,
>telecommunications, system and network administration to testify in this
>highly publicized computer "hacking" case.
>This will be a groundbreaking case and is expected to attract significant
>media coverage. Testimony will be required as early as March 30, 1998 in
>Los Angeles, California.  Further testimony will be needed at trial, later
>this year.  Expert witness fees will be paid by the federal court.
>Qualified candidates must have an advanced degree and be knowledgeable in
>DOS, Windows 3.ll, Unix (SunOs & Solaris), VAX/VMS, and Internet
>operations.  Experience with cellular telephone networks is a plus.
> Previous expert testimony and/or publication are preferred.
>Qualified candidates, please contact Mr. Mitnick through his appointed
>defense counsel, Donald C. Randolph, Esq. at (310) 395-7900 or write to him
>at:  Donald C. Randolph, Esq., Randolph & Levanas, 1717 4th Street, Third
>Floor, Santa Monica, CA 90401-3319.  Email address is:
>randlev at worldnet.att.net
>
>
				Thanks! 
					Bill
Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com
PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF  3C85 B884 0ABE 4639





From whgiii at invweb.net  Tue Mar 24 03:44:01 1998
From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 03:44:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Or is it Pat Robertson?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <199803241143.GAA11984@users.invweb.net>

In , on 03/24/98 
   at 02:08 AM, StanSquncr  said:

>In a message dated 98-03-24 00:31:09 EST, whgiii at invweb.net writes:

><< >You see, add 14 + 1 + 9 + 9 + 1 and you get 34.
> 
> >700 - 34 is, guess what - 666!
> 
> >I guess that proves it!  ;-)
> 
> Hmmm Louis Farakan school of Number Theory >>

>Hmmm, didn't seem to bother you when the same theory was used against
>Bill Gates!  Not surprized, the response came from, you guessed it
>cypher's, another paranoid "Know-nothing" -

Yes Stan and you are here to "save" us all.

Twit.

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From mixmaster at remail.obscura.com  Tue Mar 24 05:37:21 1998
From: mixmaster at remail.obscura.com (Mixmaster)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 05:37:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Stan the Asshole
Message-ID: <199803241301.FAA24628@sirius.infonex.com>


Stan is an asshole, an annoyance on this list. I've 
killfiled anything with his email address in any 
header. I suggest everyone do the same. When he gets 
no responses to anything he posts, he will eventually 
go away, probably to where "Liberals Go To Die." If 
you encourage him, I won't see your responses.  I 
don't wade through the blizzard of this list to have 
to wipe splashes of airhead liberal shit out of my 
eyes at every other step.

GodILoveFiltersMonger II






From webmaster at canes.gsw.peachnet.edu  Tue Mar 24 05:51:26 1998
From: webmaster at canes.gsw.peachnet.edu (Bill)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 05:51:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Hello
Message-ID: <3517B886.3C3F@canes.gsw.peachnet.edu>


Hey Stan, how is the MLM business.
Oh, lets not forget the adult WebSites also.





From aim at cysnet.net  Tue Mar 24 07:17:48 1998
From: aim at cysnet.net (aim at cysnet.net)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:17:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FASTEST / BEST EXTRACTORS YET !
Message-ID: <199803241517.HAA13896@toad.com>



The three new programs that are sweeping the industry.........

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general addresses. You input a city and state and hit the start button, kick back and 
watch it collect. Quite fast. Easy to use. The cost of GEO SNAKE is $250.00

                       For A Demo of Geo Snake call toll free 800-942-7913

The demo will let you see how fast and easy it is to use but it will not save or let you 
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Note: Please read the help file in that it is a bit tricky inserting the name of a city in the 
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                       For a Demo of News Sleuth call 800-942-7913

      
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From billp at nmol.com  Tue Mar 24 07:31:32 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:31:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: McKinney fax
Message-ID: <3517CF2A.1880@nmol.com>

Tuesday 3/24/98 7:14 AM

Fax

Cynthia McKinney
124 Cannon Building
Washington, DC 20515
Office: (202)225-1605
Fax: (202)226-0691
http://www.house.gov/mckinney/

Dear Representative McKinney:

PURPOSE of this fax is to verify whether or not you received
our attached certified [Z 216 838 966] return receipt letter 
dated Thursday 3/12/98 7:34 AM with enclosures

REASON is that the green Domestic Return Receipt card was
returned to the Albuquerque Ed Dorado postal substation on
Friday March 20 with no signatures or date of delivery.

Postal employee Steve filled out a yellow tracer for item Z 216
838 966 and posted it.

A federal employee in Washington DC following this  matter
on Internet at 

   http://www.aci.net/kalliste

and

  http://www.jya.com

phoned on March 16 to advise that the US federal government
strategy is to provoke a citizen in the hope the citizen will do
something illegal.

Then the government will prosecute that citizen.

The attached petition for writ of prohibition dated Thursday 
3/18/98 addressed to Antonin Scalia illustrates a desperate
attempt to entrap us.
 
NM district judge Don Svet attempted to limit discovery in our
lawsuit seen at jya.com.  

Svet's ORDER violates the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

Svet attempts to sanction us for violating his illegal ORDER.

Bureaucrats, court clerks, and judges not who do not respond 
to lawfully submitted requests create the impression that there 
is no administrative or legal remedy left for a citizen in the US.

Government lawyers frequently, if not most often, initiate a 
conflict with the citizen.

The citizen is led to believe that he or she must employ a lawyer 
to have any hope to prevail with legal or administrative remedy.

We believe that bureaucrats, court clerks and judges should follow 
the laws of the United States of America and properly perform 
their jobs.

We ask your and other congress members' help to make
bureaucrats, court clerks and judges do their jobs properly.

First by getting copies of Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals docket 
sheets No. 94-2205, Payne v Sandia and 95-2204, Morales v Sandia 
to us.

Sincerely,



Arthur R. Morales                William H. Payne
1023 Los  Arboles NW             13015 Calle de Sandias NE
Albuquerque, NM 87107            Albuquerque, NM 87111

Distribution
Ben Nighthorse Campbell
  administrator at campbell.senate.gov 
Ernest Hollings
  senator at hollings.senate.gov
Trent Lott
  senatorlott at lott.senate.gov
Richard Shelby
  senator at shelby.senate.gov 
Charles Robb
  Senator_Robb at robb.senate.gov
Jim Lehrer
  newshour at pbs.org


Thursday 3/12/98 7:34 AM

Certified - Return Receipt Requested


Cynthia McKinney

124 Cannon Building
Washington, DC 20515
Office: (202)225-1605
Fax: (202)226-0691
http://www.house.gov/mckinney/

Dear Representative McKinney:



PURPOSE of this letter is to ask your help for us to obtain copes of 
docket sheets from the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals for cases 
No. 94-2205, Payne v Sandia and 95-2204, Morales v Sandia.

All of our legal efforts to obtain these documents, which any citizen
has a right to, have failed.

REASON you are selected to help is that you appear to be knowledgeable
about operation of the current US federal government and willing to speak 
out in an attempt to solve problems.

You appeared Friday February 27, 1998 on  PBS, The NewsHour with Jim 
Lehrer, along with senators Campbell, Hollings, Lott, Shelby Robb and 
representatives Dana Rohrabacher and Harold Rogers.

These senators and congressmen appeared not to support your views because
they are either mis- or not well-informed about US involvement in support 
of Saddam Hussein.

Stories supporting your view appear on Internet at

  NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran Conflict by J. Orlin Grabbe
  http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm

and

 Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore? by Wayne Madsen
 http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html

Madsen begins

   It may be the greatest intelligence scam of the century:
   For decades, the US has routinely intercepted and
   deciphered top secret encrypted messages of 120
   countries

But NSA , and as a result the US federal government, apparnetly 
got caught involved in complicity of deaths of about 500,000 Iranians.

This is the subject of a Federal lawsuit seen on Internet at

   http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm
  
US federal government help of Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war may 
possibly backfire on innocent US citizens.

The Wall Street Journal, March 10, 1998, pp. B1, B9. reports

   A Peek Inside a Giant Germ Warehouse 

   By Rochelle Sharpe

   Rockville, Md. -- They keep anthrax bacteria in the
   basement of a faded red-brick building here.

   It isn't far from the yellow-fever virus, the botulism
   bacteria and some of the hundreds of organisms that cause
   the common cold. In fact, there are samples of 85,000
   different fungi, viruses, cells, genes and bacteria here at
   the American Type Culture Collection, by far the largest of
   the 450 repositories of biological materials scattered
   around the globe. ...

   The ATCC legally shipped 10 vials of anthrax, botulism and
   other deadly substances to Iraqi scientists in the 1980s --
   when the U.S. and Iraq were on much friendlier terms -- all
   with the Commerce Department's approval. ...

   http://www.jya.com/btn031198.txt

The US federal government apparently intended these bioweapons to 
be used against the people of Iran.

You demonstrated on PBS TV a quality identified by Francis Bacon

         The contemplation of things as they are,
                without error or confusion,
            without substitution or imposture,
   is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention.

by your statement about Saddam Hussein on PBS

                ...our man and our creation...

Perhaps after reading the above materials and

   The Problem of Paradigm Shifts - Terrorism and the 
   Threat From Weapons of Mass Destruction in the Middle East
   Working Draft Anthony H. Cordesman, Senior Fellow and 
   Co-Director Middle East Studies Program October 22, 1996

  http://www.csis.org/mideast/terror.html

senators Campbell, Hollings, Lott, Shelby, Robb and representatives 
Dana Rohrabacher and Harold Rogers MAY NOW understand why you are 
correct and they are mis- or not well-informed about US involvement 
with Saddam Hussein.

PROBLEM we face with the US court system is that court clerks and judges
have committed Title 18 felony violation of law IN WRITING in an attempt
to deny us monetary compensation due us for the cases WE WON at the 
Tenth Circuit on Appeal.  

But judges awarded victories to the US federal government in violation 
of Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure.

Cases  No. 94-2205, Payne v Sandia and 95-2204, Morales v Sandia 
were both won pro se on appeal.

We have filed a writ of mandamus with supreme court judge 
Scalia in an  attempt to get the docket sheets for the two above 
cases.

But Scalia will not answer our certified letters.

Senator McCain wrote Payne on December 23, 1997

  I wanted to take this opportunity of than you for you letter of 
  December 3, 1997. 

  Your situation is in the jurisdiction of Senator Pete Dominici.  
  Therefore, I have  forwarded you letter to his attention.

  William, I hope you situation can be resolved favorably.

Lawyers and politicians Dominici and Bingaman are part of a 
problem not a solution.

Dominici and Bingaman have the following agenda

  University of New Mexico Bureau for Business and Economic
  Research reported on October 14, 1997: 

  A  The Gross State Product of New Mexico is $37.8 billion.

  B  The US Federal government sends $11.3 billion to New Mexico
      each year.

  C  For each $1 New Mexico sends to Washington, New Mexico gets 
      $2 back.

THEREFORE, Representative McKinney, we ask your help to get copies
of the docket sheets.

Citizens of the US are becoming more upset with the behavior of 
bureaucrats, the courts [lawyers], and the US federal government. 

Some Americans have no other way to express their dissatisfaction
with US federal government mismanagement of our country except
by violence.

Frederick Douglass either wrote or said on  August 4, 1847

          Those who profess to favor freedom,
            and yet depreciate agitation
   are men who want crops without plowing up the ground.
      They want rain without thunder and lightening.
         Power concedes nothing without a demand.
            It never did, and it never will.
       Find out just what people will submit to
        and you have found out the exact amount
  of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them.
      These will continue until they are resisted
        with either words or blows, or with both.
          The limits of tyrants are prescribed
       by the endurance of those whom they oppress.

We chose to use the words and law to hold government 
employees accountable.

Please encourage Scalia to do his job. 

Help get us copies of the docket sheets.  

And even perhaps help investigate further and settle this 
American tragedy.


Sincerely,



Arthur R. Morales                William H. Payne
1023 Los  Arboles NW             13015 Calle de Sandias NE
Albuquerque, NM 87107            Albuquerque, NM 87111

Enclosures
1  NSA, Crypto AG, and the Iraq-Iran Conflict by J. Orlin Grabbe
2  Crypto AG: The NSA's Trojan Whore? by Wayne Madsen
3  Swiss Radio International Audio tape, 15 May, 18 July 1994

Distribution
Ben Nighthorse Campbell
  administrator at campbell.senate.gov 
Ernest Hollings
  senator at hollings.senate.gov
Trent Lott
  senatorlott at lott.senate.gov
Richard Shelby
  senator at shelby.senate.gov 
Charles Robb
  Senator_Robb at robb.senate.gov
Jim Lehrer
  newshour at pbs.org





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Tue Mar 24 07:41:11 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:41:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Or is it Pat Robertson?
Message-ID: <329a5276.3517d3ec@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-24 06:43:54 EST, whgiii at invweb.net writes:

<< > Hmmm Louis Farakan school of Number Theory >>
 
 >Hmmm, didn't seem to bother you when the same theory was used against
 >Bill Gates!  Not surprized, the response came from, you guessed it
 >cypher's, another paranoid "Know-nothing" -
 
 Yes Stan and you are here to "save" us all. >>

And what planet are you on?  I'm hear as the result of a big war I had with a
moderator.
 
<< Twit. >>

William seemed to accurately sign-off this time!   :-)

Stan





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Tue Mar 24 07:41:37 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:41:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Stan the Asshole
Message-ID: 


In a message dated 98-03-24 09:06:28 EST, mixmaster at remail.obscura.com writes:

<< Stan is an asshole, an annoyance on this list. I've 
 killfiled anything with his email address in any 
 header. I suggest everyone do the same. When he gets 
 no responses to anything he posts, he will eventually 
 go away, probably to where "Liberals Go To Die." If 
 you encourage him, I won't see your responses.  I 
 don't wade through the blizzard of this list to have 
 to wipe splashes of airhead liberal shit out of my 
 eyes at every other step.
 
 GodILoveFiltersMonger II >>

Hey, I requested off this list ages ago.  Why don't you simply pull my
subscription and we'll ALL be happy?  :-)

Stan





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Tue Mar 24 08:21:19 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:21:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 'Virus Alert!' or 'Re:Stan the Savior?'
Message-ID: <44e3dc96.3517dd54@aol.com>


whgiii at invweb.net - << Yes Stan and you are here to "save" us all. >>

If you look up in your definition of the word "save", maybe, EXCEPT, there's
bound to be at least a couple of people on this list that don't need saving.
;-)

But really, what I'm here to save, is your computers -
========
Subj:  What if -
God and SuperMan got into a fight - no, I found this on a Rush newsgroup -
-----------------------------
Subject: If Rush was a computer virus...
From: lotus at hogpe.ho.att.com (-R.CAPIK)
Date: 21 Mar 1996 17:16:10 GMT

What if there was a Rush Limbaugh computer virus. What might it do? What about
some other political figures... ?

Ron Capik [aka: the NJ Editorial Minstrel ]
-----------
Forbes virus:       Makes all your programs give 17% of their resources back
to your system. We have no idea what the system will do with the resources.
(Only applies to earned resources.)  At a cost of millions (in un-earned
resources), the virus runs for a short time then quits.  

Buchanan virus:     All your icons move to the far right of your screen.

Bill Clinton virus: Your pointer jumps back and forth across the middle of the
screen, seems to drift to the left and you can't seem to pick any programs. If
you have a sound card you may hear the sound of rushing [white] water.

Limbaugh virus [aka: ditto virus]:     All icons line up under the Rush icon
where ever it may go.

Bill Clinton #2     Icons turn purple and explode. (May be triggered by
conservative input)

Dole virus:         We don't quite know what it may do, but it seems to have
been in the system for a very long time. May cause system to enter sleep
cycle.

Perot virus:        Ran for a short time in 92 then quit. It may also be
active for a short time in 96. May cause space alien problems with daughter
programs.

Hillary virus:      Causes text to appear on your screen years after you lost
it.  May trigger "Bill Clinton #2" virus.  May also cause rushing [white]
water sound.
----------
What if, Stan had written those virus descriptions? - 

Buchanan virus [aka - "Sap" (of the 'Family (Values) Tree')]:     All your
icons move to the far right of your screen, and then, any icon that depicts a
face gets covered up by a white coned shape hat (and sheets, if the icon is of
a whole person).  The rest of the icons turn into pitch-forks, and swastikas.
The (now) covered 'people' icons then grab the 'pitch-fork' icons, and run off
the *extreme* right side of the screen.  The swastikas remain on your screen,
and cannot be removed, for they are burned into the phosphor.  Your computer
then logs on to America OnLine, goes to the 'government' forum, and then the
(now) covered 'people' icons return (in groups), with the 'pitch-fork' icons,
to the screen, and start attacking America (OnLine), starting with the
'government' (forum). The instant the Buchanan virus infects your computer, it
attempts to kill all forms of the 'Jerusalem' virus (but it never gets them
all).  

Limbaugh virus [aka - "Whiner"]:     All icons line up under the Rush icon
wherever it may go.  As soon as 'Limbaugh' infects your computer, it (along
with any other virus that will join it) attempts to kill the 'Clinton' virus,
and the 'Hillary' virus (but doesn't succeed, only weakens them temporarally,
then they become much stronger, and impossible to remove for another '4 More
Years!').  Then it starts attacking any other viruses 'Limbaugh' thinks is
vulnurable, including the viruses that had joined it in attacking the
'Clinton' viruses.  The only viruses that the 'Limbaugh' virus has been know
to truly rid your system of, though, is the 'Limbaugh' virus, and the virus'
that believe that the 'Limbaugh' virus is a 'truth detector' type virus, or
that the 'Limbaugh' virus is on 'loan from god', etc.  The 'Limbaugh' virus
self-destructs after 7 or 8 years (and it can't understand why).  
 
Gingrich [aka - "KingRich" (King of the Rich)]:     This virus affects
applications that have an ability to recreate previous commands given to that
application while editing a document of that application, using a 'history' or
'undo' command.  'KingRich' attaches itself to the 'history' files, and
selectivly changes certain portions in it.  So if you make a mistake, and you
need to go back and recreate your file before your mistake, you can still go
back, but you'll probably find the icons that represent your best work that
you had placed on the left side of your screen, now on the right of it, and
those icons that open your worst work, and previously placed on the right,
you'll now find that on the left.

Gingrich #2 [aka - "CryBaby"]:      This virus goes to the back of your pci,
vesa,16bit, or 8bit bus, and makes your hard drive make a real loud 'whining'
noise and your soundcard starts making a 'crying' sound through your audio
setup or speakers.  On your screen, 'CryBaby' places the message "I'm going to
shut the system down because I had to go to the back of the bus!", and it
causes your computer to go into 'default' (meaning, it causes you to lose your
CMOS memory, and it restarts with power-on 'defaults').

And we now know what the Dole virus will do -

Dole virus [aka - "Quitter"]:  This virus attacks your hard drive, causing it
to make a real loud 'whining' noise.  Then it quits, and you never have to
worry about it again.

To learn how to detect and remove these viruses from YOUR system, register at
- 

What's A Meta U (and What's It 2 U?)
http://members.aol.com/WhatsMetaU
=====
Stan





From StanSquncr at aol.com  Tue Mar 24 08:23:34 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:23:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: McKinney fax
Message-ID: <80685716.3517dd42@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-24 11:02:35 EST, billp at nmol.com (of the cypherpunks)
writes:

<< We believe that bureaucrats, court clerks and judges should follow the laws
of the United States of America and properly perform their jobs. >>

We (if I speak for others on the cypherpunks list, that is (I'm a guest))
believe that the laws Bill is talking about, is the "Constitution of the
United States of America/Bill of Rights"

For instance, Article VI part 3 - 

"3 The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the
several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of
the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by oath or
affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be
required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United
States."

" ... but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any
office or public trust under the United States."

And, to the pbs newshour, we (with same exclusion as above) believe that YOU
need to get a true voice from the left for your panels.  Sheilds only speaks
from a left POV 'some of the time' (and it  ain't enough of the time.)

And to Senator Lott - 'Have a happy father's day!'  (President Clinton)

Stan Rosenthal, 

FreeGroup - "Just Say It!"
http://members.aol.com/WhatsMetaU/freegroup.html





From mixmaster at remail.obscura.com  Tue Mar 24 10:43:26 1998
From: mixmaster at remail.obscura.com (Mix)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:43:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <199803241834.KAA21637@sirius.infonex.com>


>Hey, I requested off this list ages ago.  
>Why don't you simply pull my
>subscription and we'll ALL be happy?  :-)

>Stan
        
Because we are all laughing at you, 
you stupid bastard.  






From mixmaster at remail.obscura.com  Tue Mar 24 12:23:52 1998
From: mixmaster at remail.obscura.com (Mix)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:23:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: No Subject
Message-ID: <199803241852.KAA23337@sirius.infonex.com>


...and then there is the "StanSquncr" virus that prompts you
to pawn your computer for a $20 crackrock.  Two hours later,
you find yourself on a street corner sucking dick for $5 rocks.


I'm your REAL daddy, Stan.






From nobody at privacy.nb.ca  Tue Mar 24 14:00:17 1998
From: nobody at privacy.nb.ca (Anonymous Sender)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:00:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Chaffing and Winnowing
Message-ID: 


Aside from the considerable overhead created by C/W,
I observe a possible pitfall. suppose I start every
new message at ID# 0. The first time I C/W a message
everything works fine. The next time I C/W a message
with the same MAC, I give some very juciy clues to
what both messages were. This is because the item that
the MAC applied to was an ID number and a bit. well, that
bit is either zero or one... so any bit that corresponds
between my first and second message will yield an identicle
MAC, thus making it easy for anybody to seperate some of 
the wheat from the chaff, merely by simple observation.
though in a real implementation, I probably wouldn't be so
niave as to start every new message with the same packet
ID, I point out that there's an upper limit on the amount of
data that should be transmitted before a new
authentication key should be arranged... that is assuming that
the ID field was of finite size. Rivest mentioned in passing
using a 32 bit ID. That's an impressive number of bits to
C/W, but certainly not unattainable.

-SM2k






From tm at dev.null  Tue Mar 24 15:21:57 1998
From: tm at dev.null (TruthMongrel)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:21:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Your courageous stance...
Message-ID: <35184081.7CF5@dev.null>


I would like to congratulate and thank you for the courageous stance
that you
have taken by doing your part to help stop the spread of anarchistic and
possibly
illegal content on the InterNet by denying access to those who use the
freedom
and rights granted them by the Constitution to abuse those privileges.

  Your stance is particularly admired by those of us who share your
interest in
preventing the spread of free access to all types of information, in
light of the
fact that you have not shied away from persecuting those connected with
the
Circle of Eunuchs, thus possibly putting yourself, your family and your
business
in physical danger, as well as virtual danger.
  Given the current dissension within the ranks of the Cirle of Eunuchs
and the
Army of Dog, concerning whether their assault on censorship and censors
should
be consumated in CyberSpace or MeatSpace, there are few who are willing
to put
themselves in the line of fire to support the same ideals that other
great
Americans, such as Senator Joe McCarthy and J. Edgar Hoover, have
championed.

  Regardless of the possible physical danger you will be subjected to if
the
proponents of MeatSpace retruibution to censorship supporters win out in
the
current battle for control of the resources of the Army of Dog, your
choice
to submit to government oppressors and legal threats is likely the right
one,
since the government currently has more and better armed thugs than
those
who oppose them.

TruthMonger III
"Ain't no safety this side of the grave...never has been...never will
be."






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Tue Mar 24 15:40:17 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:40:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Stan the Human!
Message-ID: 


In a message dated 98-03-24 16:09:52 EST, mixmaster at remail.obscura.com writes:

<< >Hey, I requested off this list ages ago.  
 >Why don't you simply pull my
 >subscription and we'll ALL be happy?  :-)
 
 >Stan
         
 Because we are all laughing at you, 
 you really smart guy.   >>

Hey, I got my laughs too!

Stan





From tm at dev.null  Tue Mar 24 16:22:06 1998
From: tm at dev.null (Timothy C. May)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:22:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Kill 'em all...*I'll* sort 'em out...
Message-ID: <35184DF7.2497@dev.null>


-----	Forward from TruthMonger III	-----

I would like to congratulate and thank you for the courageous stance
that you have taken by doing your part to help stop the spread of 
anarchistic and possibly illegal content on the InterNet by denying 
access to those who use the freedom and rights granted them by the 
Constitution to abuse those privileges.

  Your stance is particularly admired by those of us who share your
interest in preventing the spread of free access to all types of 
information, in light of the fact that you have not shied away from 
persecuting those connected with the Circle of Eunuchs, thus possibly 
putting yourself, your family and your business in physical danger, as 
well as virtual danger.
  Given the current dissension within the ranks of the Cirle of Eunuchs
and the Army of Dog, concerning whether their assault on censorship and 
censors should be consumated in CyberSpace or MeatSpace, there are few 
who are willing to put themselves in the line of fire to support the 
same ideals that other great Americans, such as Senator Joe McCarthy and 
J. Edgar Hoover, have championed.

  Regardless of the possible physical danger you will be subjected to if
the proponents of MeatSpace retruibution to censorship supporters win 
out in the current battle for control of the resources of the Army of 
Dog, your choice to submit to government oppressors and legal threats is 
likely the right one, since the government currently has more and better 
armed thugs than those who oppose them.

TruthMonger III
"Ain't no safety this side of the grave...never has been...never will
be."

---- End of Alleged Forwarded Message -----

  Despite the fact that the missive you are currently reading is an
obvious forgery, I, Timothy C. May , would like to exhort
all of my fellow victims of forgeries by the DogMeister at Sympatico to
form their own Cult of One chapter of the Army of Dog.
  Unless each and every individual who is concerned with gaining the
liberty to exercise the basic rights and freedoms which come from
being a unique participant in the universe which has formed them
(and which they have had a hand in forming) steps forward to demand
the right to exercise and manifest their values and beliefs in
MeatSpace, as well as CyberSpace...uuhhh...has anybody seen my
shoes?

"We have met the future of rEvolution, and it is us."
~ Ogop

  Due to the heavy investment I have made in MeatSpace weaponry, I will
be supporting the factions of the Army of Dog which are promoting a
physical war against the enemies of freedom, but I recognize that those
whose investment is in newer warfare technologies have an equal right
to fight the battle within the slightly more infinite boundaries of
Digital Reality.

"The screens of freedom must occassionally be refreshed with a GUI-
 supported blood-color of digital martyrs."
~ AGuyTooLazyToLookUpTheOriginalQuote

  Despite the concerns of some members of the Cypherpunks Distributed
Mailing List about the forged attributions of the DogMeister concerning
the beliefs and stances of various individual list members, we all know,
deep down inside, that Janet Reno's secret lover, Officer Furhman, is
right when he whispers in her ear during their fuckmaking (in a manner
that is a felony in the majority of states, which is why they only do
it in Federal offices), "The CypherPunks may not be guilty of the
crimes that TruthMongrel attributes to them, but they are all guilty
of *something*..."

Timothy C. May 
"There is something 'Wong' when I have to send 'chop, chop' messages
 to an increasing number of posters to the Cypherpunks list."






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Tue Mar 24 16:59:27 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:59:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Kill 'em all...*I'll* sort 'em out...
Message-ID: 


In a message dated 98-03-24 19:48:49 EST, tm at dev.null writes:

<< -----	Forward from TruthMonger III	----- 
 
 I would like to congratulate and thank you for the courageous stance
 that you have taken by doing your part to help stop the spread of 
 anarchistic and possibly illegal content on the InterNet by denying 
 access to those who use the freedom and rights granted them by the 
 Constitution to abuse those privileges.
 
   Your stance is particularly admired by those of us who share your
 interest in preventing the spread of free access to all types of 
 information  concerning whether their assault on censorship and 
 censors should be consumated in CyberSpace or MeatSpace, there are few 
 who are willing to put themselves in the line of fire to support the 
 same ideals that other great Americans, such as Senator Joe McCarthy and 
 J. Edgar Hoover, have championed. >>

Ah yes, fits like a lock and a key.  Pro-censorship guys also being pro
McCarthy guys!  After all, these "Know-nothings" today, are the 'Modern
McCarthyites' (see my political page)

Stan





From tm at dev.null  Tue Mar 24 17:21:28 1998
From: tm at dev.null (TruthMongrer)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:21:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CIA Trained Gorilla Femnists
Message-ID: <35185C90.418F@dev.null>


Male Gorilla, Released to Mate
               with Females, Drops Dead

               AP
               24-MAR-98

TOKYO (AP) The excitement, or perhaps the pressure, apparently was too
much for Sultan. The 28-year-old male gorilla, specially moved to a 
cage to mate with three females, instead dropped dead. 

The 400-pound lowland gorilla ran around briefly and played with his 
new friends Monday, then suddenly collapsed, apparently after suffering 
a heart attack, said Kunihiko Yasui, head of animal breeding at Kyoto 
Municipal Zoo.

~~~

Reports from non-mainstream news sources indicate that one of the
female gorillas was carrying an umbrella which was nowhere to be
found when invesigators searched the cage after the mysterious
death of the male gorilla.
Gertrude Stein, denying that an elite corps of techno-femnists
is involved with providing CIA BlackOps training for female
subjects of a digital-implant experiment being conducted by
the NSA, merely said, "What is good for the goose is not always
necessarily good for the gorilla."

Anonymous sources from the CypherPunks Distributed Mailing List
indicated that the assassination was coordinated by Blanc Weber,
a list member who disguises her hidden agenda of MeatSpace 
violence by constantly admonishing list members for expressing
the results of the excessive male hormones surging through their
potential-rapist bodies.
The sources cited Weber's previous support of Zsa-Zsa Grubor as
proof of her involvement with radical femnist movements whose
goals are secretly financed by Wonder Bra, Wonder Woman, and
Wonder Bread.

Mainstream media sources continue to claim that this post is 
nothing more than the psychotic babblings of a FrostBack To
Be Named Later. However, this view is obvious in error, or an
intelligent person such as yourself would not stil be reading
this post, eh?

TruthFemnist,
"And, after my operation, I will learn to spell 'feminist' correctly."






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Tue Mar 24 17:48:08 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:48:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Welcome to cypherpunks-unedited
Message-ID: <44e512a9.35186235@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-24 19:18:48 EST, Majordomo at toad.com writes:

<< Cypherpunks assume privacy is a good thing and wish there were more of it.

Cypherpunks acknowledge that those who want privacy must create it for
themselves and not expect governments, corporations, or other large, faceless
organizations to grant them privacy out of beneficence.  Cypherpunks know that
people have been creating their own privacy for centuries with whispers,
envelopes, closed doors, and couriers.  Cypherpunks do not seek to prevent
other people from speaking about their experiences or their opinions. >>

I agree with all that.

 
<< ...  Cypherpunks love to practice.  They love to play with public key
cryptography.  ... >>

But when it's used as simply a means of identifying yourself on a public list,
is that really privacy protection?  Seems like a mis-use of the technology to
me.

Stan





From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 24 17:54:32 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:54:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: While you were bending over for the soap... / Re: Kill 'em all...*I'll* sort 'em out...
Message-ID: <199803250154.CAA12695@basement.replay.com>


TM forged:
> within the slightly more infinite boundaries of

ATTN: Circle of Eunuchs Initiates !!!

An in-depth investigation by the NSA has confirmed, beyond a shadow of
a doubt, that the dark-conspiracy manifestos that make up 'The True
Story of the InterNet' series, as well as all peripheral communications
from various CoE members, has been nothing more than a clever ruse to
subversively slip the concept quoted above into the minds of the
unsuspecting schills of the Author.

Please be advised that individuals who allow themselves to be influenced
by the subversive concept expressed above run the risk of mistakenly
acting under the assumption that 'infinity' can be defined by the
individual, and thus they are capable of escaping the limitations which
the programmed reality of those in authority over them exercises in
order to protect them from the madness which can result from attempting
to cross the boundaries of thought and action which have long since
been proven statistically safe to transverse, according to recent CNN
polls designed to ensure that we all remain safely within the pens
within which airport security personnel and tax officials are acting
in our best interests.

Those who disagree with the stance taken by the author of this post
will be audited by the IRS as potential troublemakers.

Thank You,
the author of this post






From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Tue Mar 24 19:08:24 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:08:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Expert Testimony [ATTN: Donald C. Randolph, Esq.]
Message-ID: <3518739A.1700@sk.sympatico.ca>


Re:
>Kevin
>Mitnick is seeking a highly credentialed expert in computer security,
>telecommunications, system and network administration to testify 

Mr. Mitnick & Mr. Randolph,
  If you desire, I can put you in contact with an individual who has
not only been described as 'The World's Foremost Computer Expert' in
a variety of computer manuscripts and journals dating as far back as
1989, but who would also be willing to testify as to his personal
involvement in the ethical violation of a plethora of MeatSpace laws
in the last few decades during his activities in CyberSpace.
  I am speaking of C.J. Parker.

>Qualified candidates must have an advanced degree and be knowledgeable 
> in DOS, Windows 3.ll, Unix (SunOs & Solaris), VAX/VMS, and Internet
>operations.  Experience with cellular telephone networks is a plus.

  Mr. Parker holds an MBA which was obtained through an accelerated
degree program known as 'hacking,' and can provide transcripts to
verify his being awarded several 'honors' awards by a recognized
institution of higher education.
  He has been involved in top levels of the business and educational 
arenas of the computer industry for the better part of a decade, and
has not only worked with all variety of operating systems and programs,
but also has access to a variety of individuals whose knowledge and
expertise encompasses a range of the industry which is nothing short
of phenomenal.

  Mr. Parker is a co-author of a variety of manuscripts concerning
computer and digital communications issues which were only recognized 
as significant years or decades after his treatment of them.

  The fact that Mr. Parker is certifiably insane in no way dimishes
the accomplishments that he has succeeded in bringing to fruitation
as the president of an international computer company, and as an
outlaw who was spitting in the face of authority since Mr. Mitnick
was wetnursing.

  If you are interested in providing your client with a defense
which will be recognized as sane and competent, then you would be
well advised to ignore my offer.
  If you wish for your client to successfully resist the efforts
of the government to make him a scapegoat for the deficiencies
of the InterNet entities whose resources he shared based upon
his own values and beliefs, then you would be well advised to
further explore my offer.

  In short, Mr. Parker is not currently facing charges for the
same activities that have been committed by your client.
  Think about it.

~~~~
Toto
~~~~
"The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre"
http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix
"WebWorld & the Mythical Circle of Eunuchs"
http://bureau42.base.org/public/webworld
"InfoWar"
http://bureau42.base.org/public/infowar3
"The Final Frontier"
http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn






From m.d.allen at csu-e.csuohio.edu  Tue Mar 24 19:09:46 1998
From: m.d.allen at csu-e.csuohio.edu (Name)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:09:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crypto, anyone?
Message-ID: <01BD583A.44BE1FA0.m.d.allen@popmail.csuohio.edu>


i need off this mailing list now

On Sunday, March 22, 1998 1:40 AM, Anonymous [SMTP:nobody at replay.com] wrote:
> andrew fabbro wrote:
> > 
> > I was just wondering if anyone would be interested in discussing
> > cryptography, personal privacy, security protocols, digital signatures,
> > anonymous remailers, digital cash, crypto anarchy...?  No?  OK, then we
> > can go back to spam, Microsoft bashing, calling each other "idiots" and
> > "chickens," and forwarding News of the Weird for no obvious reason.
> 
> What the fuck is crypto? Can you *say* that on a public mailing
> list?
> Isn't child cryptography illegal?
> Isn't sharing pubic keys a form of perversion?
> Is digital cash used to buy a blow-job?
> 
> "How can you tell when Windows is about to crash?"
> 	"It boots."
> 
> 





From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Tue Mar 24 19:29:08 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:29:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Is That  A Balck Helicopter Up There?
In-Reply-To: <199803250236.VAA05942@mx02.together.net>
Message-ID: <35187AA6.3AC4@sk.sympatico.ca>


Brian B. Riley, who snuck into the WhiteHouse, put on a Bill Clinton
 halloween mask, and raped Mona Lewinski, wrote:
 I honestly don't know if I would be too paranoid to say that the
government is behind all these happenings, I really don't like the
territory that takes us to; but they most surely are quick to exploit
them for the own agenda ... it seems now that every untoward incident
that happens is hopped upon by some goverment official or goverment
schill as an excuse to shorten the leash ... 
~~~

Brian,
  The power of your posts resides in the fact that you do not beat the
drum for a totally paranoid view of reality, yet you allow room for
that view, just the same.
  To claim that the children who recently killed a number of their
fellow students during a false fire-drill were encouraged by the
government in order to draw attention away from the '48 Hours' show
on government involvement in the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King
would be a stretch. On the other hand, the issues being debated by
the '48 Hours' special would have been considered a stretch at the
time of the event, despite the fact that they are well supported by
information that has been wrested from the grip of secrecy in the
time since then.

  The bottom line is that we currently live in a society whose view
of reality has been formed/programmed by the media/medium of TV.

"Watch me and I'll bleed you, 'cause you eat the shit I feed you.
  ~ Frank Zappa & the Mothers of Invention

  The danger of the Sheeple being misled by false conspiracy theories
propogated by the Fringe Media (TM) is small compared to the danger
that they will continue to be misled by the Reality (TM) being spammed
deep within the programming centers of thier minds by a mainstream
media which feeds at the same trough as FBI snipers and Marine units
whose motto seems to be "My country, wrong or wrong..."

  My career as a would-be shit-disturber and troublemaker pales in
comparison with the inevitable leakage that occurs around the edges
of the Official World View (TM) propagated by those who employ the
gatekeepers of the Media Feeding Pen and the Dogs Of Whore whose
teeth ensure that the Sheeple will not stray from their appointed
destiny.

Toto 






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 24 19:37:25 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:37:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: i need off
Message-ID: <199803250337.EAA25556@basement.replay.com>


Name wrote:
> 
> how the hell do i get off this mailing list???

Kill the president.

Wm. Clinton 






From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Mar 24 20:04:53 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:04:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: EMI and TWA 800
Message-ID: <199803250404.XAA02816@camel14.mindspring.com>


The April 9 New York Review of Books has published a long 
special supplement, "The Fall of TWA 800: The Possibility
of Electromagnetic Interference," by Elaine Scarry, a noted author
and Harvard professor:

   http://jya.com/twa800-emi.htm  (128K with 3 images)

The article closely examines the possibility of electromagnetic
interference in TWA 800's controls, comm, and black boxes
by activities of the ten US military planes and ships in the
vicinity which were heavily equipped for electronic warfare 
and were conducting tests of the gear. 

It is reports on what is publically known about the EM armaments
of planes and ships in the vicinity, about secret EM weapons and 
defenses, the several dozen military and commercial planes that 
have crashed due to EMI, military studies of long-standing EM 
hazards which will not be released to crash investigators, current 
research in EMI and what scientists in the field think about the 
possibility of EMI causing the fall of TWA 800.

It calls for the military to release its classified EMI research to
NTSB investigators, and short of that, for the servicemen and 
women on the planes and ships at the scene to tell what they 
know. It asks Congress to order military cooperation.

Not at all inflammatory or accusatory, it is thoroughly researched 
(over 100 notes and citations) and highly informative on the 
hazards of EMI, and worthy of ciritque by learned scientists 
in the field here.

Coda: Ron Brown's crash is not mentioned but its characteristics 
fit several other EMI accidents for which the military will not
release findings, claiming that national security EM weapons
secrets would be jeopardized.







From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Tue Mar 24 20:58:20 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:58:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Playboy Channel Implicated In Arkansas School Massacre!
Message-ID: <35188F7B.54BD@sk.sympatico.ca>


The governor of Arkans(redneck)as(sholes) has stepped forward to
lay responsibility for the latest school massacre tragedy squarely
on the shoulders of those elements of the entertainment media who
have not thus far been implicated in the political shennanigans and
illegal drug deals perpretrated by the former governor of Arkansas,
who is currenly dipping his dick in those entering the Whitehouse
through the 'Ladies Only' entrance.

  It seems that responibility for the massacre lies in the current
social acceptance of the licentious violence being spammed upon the
public by the immoral profitmongers of the entertainment industry.
  This is in marked contrast to the current social acceptance of the
licentious violence being spammed upon the public by the moral
profitmongers of the Biblically-based religion industry.

  It is obvious that new laws will have to be passed to protect the
children exposed to the sex and violence contained in the Christian
Bible from being further influenced by corresponding material in the
secular sector of society.

SpermMonger
"Spilling my seed on the ground since puberty."






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 24 21:02:43 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:02:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crypto, anyone?
Message-ID: <199803250502.GAA04800@basement.replay.com>


Name wrote:
> 
> i need off this mailing list now

Don't we all...







From bnn at dev.null  Tue Mar 24 21:25:10 1998
From: bnn at dev.null (Bienfait Nutly News)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:25:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Arkansas Chainsaw Massacre
Message-ID: <351895E1.2130@dev.null>


[Bienfait, Saskatchewan] AT A LATE-NIGHT CELEBRATION AT THE COALDUST
Saloon, members of the MeatSpace Revolutionary Arm of the Army of Dog
congratulated one another on the success of 'Operation FireDrill.'

Although their efforts to promote their violent interpretation of
'The True Story of the InterNet' manuscripts was somewhat dampened
by the fact that their young pawns did not have the strength to
pull-start the excessively large Stihl chainsaws they were provided,
and had to resort to conventional arms, the mission was still seen as
a success.
Defcon McCullagh Chainsaw, a violent terrorist who has managed to
infiltrate the mainstream media as a respected correspondent, said,
"The twisted spin that the citizens of this Bible-(spare the)Belt(spoil
the child) community will put on this tragedy will no doubt increase
the Sheeple's call for stronger censorship and repression of expression,
which will not only provide me with more material for my ineffective
columns pissing in the wind generated by the Moral Majority, but will
also hasten the MeatSpace rEvolution that will arise in response to
the unconstitutional limits which the government will impose on the
citizens under cover of the associated propaganda spewn out by their
pawns in the mainstream media."

A spokesperson for Pat Buchanan, dodging questions regarding the rumors
that the Moral Majority was snookered by the Army of Violent Dogs into
financing the operation, said, "I have no comment, except to note that
tomorrow I will release a statement clarifying what I would have 'meant
to say' during this press conference, if I had, in fact, said anything
beyond, 'No comment.'"

In a private conversation with this reportwhore, God, on the condition
that he not be quoted, said, "Dog works in mysterious ways."






From gwb at gwb.com.au  Tue Mar 24 22:44:12 1998
From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:44:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Pauline Hanson's Newsletter - March 1998
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980325063945.00a9f238@mail.pronet.net.au>


March 1998

Issue 1.8, March 1998

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
PLEASE NOTE: No unsolicited email is sent. If you do not want to be on the
mailing list please say "REMOVE" in the subject line and return this message
in the body.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear One Nation Supporter in NSW,

--------

Have you got your tickets for One Nation first birthday raffle yet?

The first prize is a QANTAS Global Explorer Holiday for two valued at
$12,000 - a 23 day trip visiting Paris, London, New York, Los Angeles,
Anaheim and Honolulu.

The second prize is a 7 day holiday to Hawaii at the Outrigger Reef Hotel
for two - value $5,000.

The third prize is a 7nights stay at the Novotel Palm Cove at Cairns - value
$3,000.

You can order a book of 5 tickets (minimum) at $10 per book (or $2 per
ticket) by credit card by phoning 1800 620088.

Winner's names being drawn at One Nation's Birthday Party at 7pm on April
11th 1998.

Winners will be notified by phone and mail with the results being published
in the Sydney Morning Herald on Friday 17th April 1998.

Be quick - order now while tickets remain!

---------

Pauline Hanson endorsed 12 new Queensland state candidates for the upcoming
elections last week.

One Nation now has over 40 candidates and expects to have candidates in most
of the 85 seats by the time the Qld state election is called.

Web pages:

Pauline Hanson endorsing the candidates at Beenleigh:
http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/qldstate/been

One Nation Queensland State Election web site:
http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/qldstate

---------

The issue of the MAI (the multinational's multilateral agreement on
investment) continues to create concern. For the most comprehensive set of
Australian related links on the MAI visit:

http://www.gwb.com.au/mai.html

----------

We hope to have the One Nation Federal Web Site up within the next few weeks
- in the meantime bookmark and visit this URL:

http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/history

we will be covering Pauline Hanson's One Nation birthday party on her farm
live over the Easter weekend of April 10-12. Updates on this URL.

It is still not too late to make a booking - but be quick. Look forward to
seeing you there!

Phone: (02) 9976 0283

----------

GWB




Scott Balson






From pbgau at dev.null  Tue Mar 24 22:53:19 1998
From: pbgau at dev.null (Potential Bill Gates Assassins Union (Local 709))
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:53:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Prologue 13/0 -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!
Message-ID: <3518AA73.4569@dev.null>


TruthMonger Sells Out:

Subject: I Concede...
To: BadBillyG
From: TruthMonger

Yo Willy,
  You finally whupped me...
  After years of plotting your death in a slow, excruciating manner,
time and circumstances have finally forced me to offer to compromise
my formerly unbending position regarding your continued physical 
existence.

  In my own defence, I must state that I probably could have held out
indefinitely in my crusade to force you to pay for the tremendous
amount of suffering that resulted from your successfully making DOS
a worldwide computer standard, despite the fact that children in
basements around the nation were producing vastly superior products,
such as 4DOS and AstroTit, had it not been for the fact that even
greater evil forces in the world aligned themselves against you,
behind ugly-as-sin schills such as Janet Reno, as opposed to sweethearts
such as Blanc Weber, who is your staunchest defender, despite the fact
that she is carrying Attila T. Hun's baby.

  The beginning of my downfall as a 'command-line kind of guy' was
when I was forced to trade in my XT with a 20M hard drive and 2M of
RAM because of the requirement of the only ISP available to me
that I be able to run Windoze.
  Up until then, I had been able to successfully hide my secret life
as a huge fan of M$ Word. After purchasing Win95, however, and
not having the character to deny myself indulging in the downloading
of a free copy of InterNet Assistant, my anti-M$ resolve deteriorated
rapidly, until I finally got fed up with Nut$crape's inability to
provide me with the instant gratification of my desire to have the
latest in software technology, despite the fact that it was a result
of your devious and predatorial business practices which made it so.
  As a result, I finally quit kidding myself about my ability to
resist joining the herd of Sheeple racing madly over the M$ cliff,
and I downloaded and installed M$ Exploiter.

  In recognition of the fact that I am now committed to a life of
addiction to the M$ updates being offered by shadowy characters on
dimly-lit street corners, I am willing to offer you a compromise
on my previous demands that you wipe that cute, shit-eating grin
off of your face so that I can assassinate you with a clear
conscience.
  To be honest, my current predicament is that, after purchasing
a variety of M$ products, I currently find myself unable to 
reinstall any of them if my system goes to shit, which it often
does as a result of my being a sorry, drunken, drug addict without
a lick of common sense.
  Although I own 3 1/2" floppy disks purchased in the late 1980's,
and which still work perfectly fine, the disks which I have
acquired recently, containing the M$ products I own, have all
gone to shit, because America has sunk to the point where they
not only cannot make a decent car, anymore, but they also cannot
make a decent floppy disk.
  
  Accordingly, I am willing to reduce my demands for your physical
extermination to a demand that you allow me to cut off three fingers
on your left hand, on the following conditions:
1. You provide me with CD-ROMS for Win95, M$ Word for Win95,
  Windows 3.11, and a copy of AstroTit, a program writen by
  some sorry loser in Sedona, Arizona, and which I lost because
  DOS 4.0 made me so fucking crazy that I threw my computer
  through a window in forty-below-zero weather.
2. You not tell the CypherPunks about this offer, since all of my
  somewhat deficient reputation capital rests upon my long-winded
  diatribes against M$, as a result of my not having any appreciable
  computer skills.
3. That Blanc Weber provide me with a notarized document signed by
  a reputable physician stating that s/he has examined her, and 
  revealing whether or not she is wearing panties.
4. You recall the team of hired assassins who are currently training
  their cross-hairs on my toilet, through the bathroom window.
  (I need to take a helluva piss, and the kitchen sink is backed-up.)
5. Some other conditions which I can't remember because I am running
  low on my medications, but I will hold you to those conditions,
  regardless.
6. You throw your support behind legislation aimed at eliminating
  discrimination based on species. (My dog, Baby, asked me to
  include this condition. She promised to quit hogging the 'good
  pillow' if you would agree to this.)

Looking forward to your reply,
Toto
"It's not a DEATH THREAT!!! until *I* say it's a DEATH THREAT!!!"






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Wed Mar 25 00:14:49 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:14:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Or is it Pat Robertson?
Message-ID: <484377db.3518bcc7@aol.com>


Nobody - "Get back to us when you pull your head out of your ass and learn how
to properly quote in replies."

How about now?  :-)  Or am have I been unsubscribed again by some imposter?
;-)

Stan





From dave at bureau42.ml.org  Wed Mar 25 00:57:24 1998
From: dave at bureau42.ml.org (David E. Smith)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:57:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Prologue 13/0 -- SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!
In-Reply-To: <3518AA73.4569@dev.null>
Message-ID: 


On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Potential Bill Gates Assassins Union (Local 709) wrote:

>   The beginning of my downfall as a 'command-line kind of guy' was
> when I was forced to trade in my XT with a 20M hard drive and 2M of
> RAM because of the requirement of the only ISP available to me
> that I be able to run Windoze.

Then your ISP sucks rocks. My ISP officially claims that Windows is
required, but they lie. Several customers run Linux, a few use FreeBSD,
and at least one runs plain old DOS 6.22.

dave "mmm.... sockets"






From mixmaster at remail.obscura.com  Wed Mar 25 06:39:22 1998
From: mixmaster at remail.obscura.com (Mixmaster)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:39:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Crypto, anyone?
Message-ID: <199803251435.GAA29995@sirius.infonex.com>


Name  wrote:

> i need off this mailing list now

No one can take you off this list. We don't know or care 
how you got onto this list. This is an intelligence
test. Until you can prove that you are not a clueless
fuckwit by disappearing, we will continue to laugh at
your sorry whines.

Life's a bitch. Deal with it.






From ualdv8 at sk.sympatico.ca  Wed Mar 25 09:25:48 1998
From: ualdv8 at sk.sympatico.ca (Six)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:25:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fwd: CypherPunk Road Rangers]
Message-ID: <35193EC5.2537@sk.sympatico.ca>


----- Begin Creating Forwarded Message -----

[Bienfait Nutly News] THE RECENTLY DISBANDED CANADIAN CYPHERPUNK ROAD
Rangers drown their sorrows at the First Daily Bienfait Wine Tasters
Keg Party, held at the Coaldust Saloon in DoWell, Saskatchewan.

The RoadPunks were the toast of the town last week, when they acquired
the Road Rage Control Contract awarded by the Canadian Emotional Crimes
Commission.
They were also the toast of the town last night (any excuse for a party,
eh?), when the contract was revoked as a result of an internal argument
within RoadPunk ranks that turned into an ugly free-for-all on the 
TransCanada Highway which quickly became a real-life demolition 
derby which injured many innocent, passing travelers, as well.

The trouble started when some of the Canadian CypherPunks took offense
to some of the actions by various of their American counterparts, who
had been invited up to participate in enforcement of the new Emotional
Crimes Laws.
Tim May, the !Diplomatic Representative of the American faction, angered
the Canadians when he stopped a man who had cut him off in heavy traffic
and told him, "You drive like a Chinaman, chop, chop." The Canadians
were momentarily appeased after May agreed that, while in Canada, he
would treat people of Oriental ancestry with respect, and discriminate
against wagon-burners and rag-heads, according to local customs.
All hell broke loose, however, when May then fired several shots into
the side of a passing car which was driving in a perfectly normal
fashion, explaining, "He might not have cut me off, but you can bet
your ass he cut off someone, somewhere, sometime..." and then refused
to allow the Canadian CypherPunks to borrow his illegally imported
gun to play with.

Local and federal law enforcement officials were persuaded to drop
all charges against the RoadPunks, in return for Peter Trei signing
over the Canadian rights for use of the Adrenalyzer, which measures
the amount of adrenaline in a driver's blood. It is reported to be
an early prototype of the Trei Transponder, developed in a secret
underground CypherPunks laboratory, by Reptilian CypherPunks.

----- End Forwarding Created Message -----






From ian at deepwell.com  Tue Mar 24 17:56:11 1998
From: ian at deepwell.com (Ian Briggs)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:56:11 +0800
Subject: you petition who? (Re: I petition the Internet community to
In-Reply-To: <199803161100.LAA01168@server.eternity.org>
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980223174554.0094906c@deepwell.com>



So what do you need, E-mail, web space, shell?

We don't do shit until we get a subpoena, then those darned logs on the NT
server
well they just seemed to have corrupted themselves.

Course, this is NOT a invite to hack and fuck around with networks.  I'll
support objectionable content, not pricks.  No advocating violence against
people.

We host several of the white power sites referred to, we also host several
leftist political sites.
Right to freedom of the press goes beyond the government.  If private
business doesn't support freedom of the press, then there is no real freedom.

If any of you need accounts.  Drop a note.

Ian Briggs
President
Internet something or another.		


>> >   if Dmitri is not restored, deny access to his self-proclaimed
>> >   terminator: guy at panix.com
>
>Hardly in the spirit of free speech either, although I don`t doubt 
>Polis is a censorous cocksucker.
>
>> It wasn't the "internet community" that pulled that account, it was
>> PSInet, in response to Guy Polis' censorship attempts.
>
>Plug pulling is becoming even more rife, you may have noticed I have 
>been off the list for a few days, this was a result of content-based 
>plug pulling. It`s time more resilient methods of creating 
>censor-proof account were worked on, does anyone know of any ISPs 
>that specifically state that they refuse to censor? Clearly, such an 
>ISP would have limited commercial appeal in the current market so I 
>don`t consider it likely.
>
>
>--                  
>                            Paul Bradley 
>                      paul at fatmans.demon.co.uk
>       "Why should anyone want to live on rails?" - Stephen Fry
>
>
>
> 
>
>





From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Wed Mar 25 13:53:24 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:53:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Student Refuses to Whore Himself, Gets Suspended
Message-ID: <35197DA9.5080@sk.sympatico.ca>


Eric Cordian wrote:

> we have this story
> out of Georgia, where a student was suspended for a day for failing to
> properly prostitute himself to corporate johns on behalf of his
> pimping principal.
> -----
 
> EVANS, Ga. (AP) -- It's the real thing all right -- suspension.
> 
> High school senior Mike Cameron is serving a one-day suspension today
> for wearing a Pepsi shirt on Coke Day, an event school officials
> crafted in an attempt to win a $500 contest run by the Coca-Cola
> Bottling Co.

It could be worse. They could have transferred me to the "Home Shoppers 
Bargain Psychiatry Warehouse".
That's the worst of the worst. The Shop'ers have the poorest government 
on WebWorld. When the citizens of the former world governments got to 
choose their citizenship at the end of the Channel Revolution every
deadbeat compulsive spender on the face of the Earth signed up with the 
Home Shopper Channel Government. 
~~~     http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/webworld/#Chapter_4

> The Coke-themed day was part of an effort to win the contest. The
> award will go to the school that comes up with the best method of
> distributing promotional discount cards to students.

The Shop'ers ran ads showing Leona purchasing magnificent jewelry and 
other high-priced items from the Home Shopping Channel and the masses 
rushed to join the bandwagon. Some of the slightly more discriminating
people became citizens of the Consumer Channel, but they were few and 
far between. 
~~~     http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/webworld/#Chapter_4

The Sex Channel offered some rather interesting incentives for new 
citizens. They did quite well in the final ratings (what had formerly 
been called 'election results'), despite fierce competition from the 
S&M Channel, the Group Sex Channel, the Lesbian Channel, the 'Buck 
Futters' Channel, and a host of minor players vying for the same basic 
audience.
~~~     http://www.clas.net/~dave/public/webworld/#Chapter_11

> School officials also integrated Coke into class instruction for the
> day, invited Coke executives from Atlanta headquarters 100 miles away
> as speakers and gathered students outside to spell ``Coke'' for the
> photograph.

No doubt General Noriega was given a day-pass to drop one-pound
packages of Peruvian flake out of a helicopter, as loudspeakers
blared, "You deserve a brick today..."

> ~~
> Eric Michael Unamused
> T:.O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division,
> Room 200, Mathematical Munitions Addition
> Mathematical Munitions Subdivison,
> Rocky III Road,
> Corollary Corral, California
> "Drink What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"






From PRESIDENT at SHITHOUSE.CUM  Wed Mar 25 16:22:21 1998
From: PRESIDENT at SHITHOUSE.CUM (PRESIDENT)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:22:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fwd: School Sponsorship]
Message-ID: <35199F40.3444@SHITHOUSE.CUM>


----- Begin Obvious Forgery -----

[Bienfait Nutly News] PRESIDENT CLINTON, TUCKING FUNNY-MONEY INTO THE
panties of the topless dancers during their performances at the CoalDust
Saloon's 'Paula Jones and Monica Lewinski Look-Alike Contest,' took time
out from the festivities to announce plans to help prop up the nation's
decaying public school system by allowing Adult WebSites to sponsor
the latest computer technology additions to the schools' InterNet
systems.
"We don't see any harm in this," Clinton told gathered reportwhores,
who were pretty much ignoring him as they watched the dancers, "since
the children won't be able to legally access the URL's being advertised
until they are 18 years old."

In response to concerns about the increasing Corporatization of America, 
Clinton explained that this could be viewed merely as a streamlining
of the already-existing system, by eliminating the middlemen (lobbyists
and politicians) currently adding inefficiency and expense to the
Corporate exercise of free enterprise.
Clinton explained that government and corporations were working toward
a model which worked well for railways when cabooses became automated
and the workers were paid to merely ride the train back and forth.
"We will still hold elections, and attend sittings of the House and
Senate, but we'll just play cards, or read, or something..."

Clinton refused to comment on the recent brouhaha over a student in
San Francisco being expelled for life for wearing a T-shirt with
an elephant on it during a Political Correctness Event sponsored by
the Democratic Party.
He did, however, comment on the expulsion of a student at the University
of California-Bezerkeley, for wearing clothes during the ribbon-cutting
ceremonies for the Naked Guy Boutique. Clinton, looking at photographs
of the event, said, "Hubba, hubba!"
The Naked Guy, also in attendance at the CoalDust Saloon, told drunken,
groping reportwhores of both sexes, "It is my belief that the current
anti-trust actions being taken by the DOJ against the nationwide Naked
Guy Boutique Chain is nothing more than the result of political pressure
by the Anti-NakedGuy Coalition." (The first joint action by a group
composed mostly of Fundamentalist Christian groups and Adult WebSite
operators.)

TToommoorrooww: Gates Pie-Boy Gives Clinton a Wedgie...

---- End Meaningless Blathering -----






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Wed Mar 25 16:58:21 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:58:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Fwd: School Sponsorship]
Message-ID: <199803260058.BAA27456@basement.replay.com>


TRUTHMONGER FOR PRESIDENT wrote:
: ----- Begin Obvious Forgery -----
: Clinton refused to comment on the recent brouhaha over a student in
: San Francisco being expelled for life for wearing a T-shirt with
: an elephant on it during a Political Correctness Event sponsored by
: the Democratic Party.

Truthmonger occassionally takes time out from being a loudmouthed pain
in the butt to illustrate a valid point. Free speech is free speech
whether it involves a Pepsi logo or a political logo.

A person could make an equally ridiculous and equally valid point by
suggesting the expulsion of black students for not showing up to
school in whiteface during events sponsored by the Aryan Nations.

Unfortunately the school officials involved feel justified in excusing
their repression of civil rights and liberties by downplaying the
specifics of the compromise of freedom they demanded of their students
in return for corporate funding.
Like gun-control and GAK proponents they are asking for only a "small
compromise" as an ante into a game which will eventually result in
the players with the largest pockets naming the game.

Even the most outrageous of silly conspiracy theory posts to the list
failed to predict the advent of mandatory-voluntary Coke T-shirts in
the school system. Is the cuality of qraziness on the list slipping?

: TToommoorrooww: Gates Pie-Boy Gives Clinton a Wedgie...






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From fygrave at freenet.bishkek.su  Wed Mar 25 20:52:07 1998
From: fygrave at freenet.bishkek.su (Fyodor)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:52:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Thought you'd like this alot (fwd)
Message-ID: 


Heh... Wanna hear the C++ creator thoughts regarding the malevolent
creation, he made?:-)

=========/qoute/=======================/quote/====================
[snip snip]
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:31:02 -0800
Subject: Stroustrup's interview leaked...

On the 1st of January, 1998, Bjarne Stroustrup gave an interview
to the IEEE's 'Computer' magazine.

Naturally, the editors thought he would be giving a retrospective
view of seven years of object-oriented design, using the language
he created.

By the end of the interview, the interviewer got more than he had
bargained for and, subsequently, the editor decided to suppress
its contents, 'for the good of the industry' but, as with many of
these things, there was a leak.

Here is a complete transcript of what was said, unedited, and
unrehearsed, so it isn't as neat as planned interviews.
You will find it interesting...
__________________________________________________________________
Interviewer:  Well, it's been a few years since you changed the
world of software design, how does it feel, looking back?

Stroustrup:  Actually, I was thinking about those days, just
before you arrived. Do you remember?  Everyone was writing 'C'
and, the trouble was, they were pretty damn good at it.
were turning out competent - I stress the word 'competent'
graduates at a phenomenal rate. That's what caused the problem.

Interviewer:  Problem?

Stroustrup:  Yes, problem. Remember when everyone wrote Cobol?

Interviewer:  Of course, I did too

Stroustrup:  Well, in the beginning, these guys were like
demi-gods. Their salaries were high, and they were treated like
royalty.

Interviewer:  Those were the days, eh?

Stroustrup:  Right. So what happened?  IBM got sick of it, and
invested millions in training programmers, till they were a dime
a dozen.

Interviewer:  That's why I got out. Salaries dropped within a
year, to the point where being a journalist actually paid
better.

Stroustrup:  Exactly. Well, the same happened with 'C' programmers.

Interviewer:  I see, but what's the point?

Stroustrup:  Well, one day, when I was sitting in my office, I
thought of this little scheme, which would redress the
balance a little. I thought 'I wonder what would happen, if
there were a language so complicated, so difficult to learn,
that nobody would ever be able to swamp the market with
programmers?  Actually, I got some of the ideas from X10,
you know, X windows. That was such a bitch of a graphics
system, that it only just ran on those Sun 3/60 things.
They had all the ingredients for what I wanted. A really
ridiculously complex syntax, obscure functions, and
pseudo-OO structure. Even now, nobody writes raw X-windows
code. Motif is the only way to go if you want to retain
your sanity.

Interviewer:  You're kidding...?

Stroustrup:  Not a bit of it. In fact, there was another problem.
Unix was written in 'C', which meant that any 'C' programmer
could very easily become a systems programmer. Remember
what a mainframe systems programmer used to earn?

Interviewer:  You bet I do, that's what I used to do.

Stroustrup:  OK, so this new language had to divorce itself from
Unix, by hiding all the system calls that bound the two
together so nicely. This would enable guys who only knew
about DOS to earn a decent living too.

Interviewer:  I don't believe you said that...

Stroustrup:  Well, it's been long enough, now, and I believe most
people have figured out for themselves that C++ is a waste
of time but, I must say, it's taken them a lot longer than I
thought it would.

Interviewer:  So how exactly did you do it?

Stroustrup:  It was only supposed to be a joke, I never thought
people would take the book seriously. Anyone with half a
brain can see that object-oriented programming is
counter-intuitive, illogical and inefficient.

Interviewer:  What?

Stroustrup:  And as for 're-useable code' - when did you ever hear
of a company re-using its code?

Interviewer:  Well, never, actually, but...

Stroustrup:  There you are then. Mind you, a few tried, in the
early days. There was this Oregon company - Mentor
Graphics, I think they were called - really caught a cold
trying to rewrite everything in C++ in about '90 or '91. I
felt sorry for them really, but I thought people would
learn from their mistakes.

Interviewer:  Obviously, they didn't?

Stroustrup:  Not in the slightest. Trouble is, most companies
hush-up all their major blunders, and explaining a $30
million loss to the shareholders would have been
difficult. Give them their due, though, they made it work in the end.

Interviewer:  They did?  Well, there you are then, it proves O-O
works.

Stroustrup:  Well, almost. The executable was so huge, it took
five minutes to load, on an HP workstation, with 128MB of
RAM. Then it ran like treacle. Actually, I thought this
would be a major stumbling-block, and I'd get found out
within a week, but nobody cared. Sun and HP were only too
glad to sell enormously powerful boxes, with huge resources
just to run trivial programs. You know, when we had our
first C++ compiler, at AT&T, I compiled 'Hello World', and
couldn't believe the size of the executable. 2.1MB

Interviewer:  What?  Well, compilers have come a long way, since
then.

Stroustrup:  They have?  Try it on the latest version of g++ - you
won't get much change out of half a megabyte. Also, there
are several quite recent examples for you, from all over the
world. British Telecom had a major disaster on their hands
but, luckily, managed to scrap the whole thing and start
again. They were luckier than Australian Telecom. Now I
hear that Siemens is building a dinosaur, and getting more
and more worried as the size of the hardware gets bigger, to
accommodate the executables. Isn't multiple inheritance a joy?

Interviewer:  Yes, but C++ is basically a sound language.

Stroustrup:  You really believe that, don't you?  Have you ever sat
down and worked on a C++ project?  Here's what happens:
First, I've put in enough pitfalls to make sure that only
the most trivial projects will work first time. Take
operator overloading. At the end of the project, almost
every module has it, usually, because guys feel they really
should do it, as it was in their training course. The same
operator then means something totally different in every
module. Try pulling that lot together, when you have a
hundred or so modules. And as for data hiding. God, I
sometimes can't help laughing when I hear about the problems
companies have making their modules talk to each other. I
think the word 'synergistic' was specially invented to twist
the knife in a project manager's ribs.

Interviewer:  I have to say, I'm beginning to be quite appalled at
all this. You say you did it to raise programmers' salaries?
That's obscene.

Stroustrup:  Not really. Everyone has a choice. I didn't expect
the thing to get so much out of hand. Anyway, I basically
succeeded. C++ is dying off now, but programmers still get
high salaries - especially those poor devils who have to
maintain all this crap. You do realize, it's impossible to
maintain a large C++ software module if you didn't actually
write it?

Interviewer:  How come?

Stroustrup:  You are out of touch, aren't you?  Remember the
typedef?

Interviewer:  Yes, of course.

Stroustrup:  Remember how long it took to grope through the header
files only to find that 'RoofRaised' was a double precision
number?  Well, imagine how long it takes to find all the
implicit typedefs in all the Classes in a major project.

Interviewer:  So how do you reckon you've succeeded?

Stroustrup:  Remember the length of the average-sized 'C' project?
About 6 months. Not nearly long enough for a guy with a
wife and kids to earn enough to have a decent standard of
living. Take the same project, design it in C++ and what do
you get?  I'll tell you. One to two years. Isn't that
great?  All that job security, just through one mistake of
judgement. And another thing. The universities haven't
been teaching 'C' for such a long time, there's now a
shortage of decent 'C' programmers. Especially those who
know anything about Unix systems programming. How many guys
would know what to do with 'malloc', when they've used 'new'
all these years - and never bothered to check the return
code. In fact, most C++ programmers throw away their return
codes. Whatever happened to good ol' '-1'?  At least you
knew you had an error, without bogging the thing down in all
that 'throw' 'catch' 'try' stuff.

Interviewer:  But, surely, inheritance does save a lot of time?

Stroustrup:  Does it?  Have you ever noticed the difference
between a 'C' project plan, and a C++ project plan?  The planning
stage for a C++ project is three times as long. Precisely
to make sure that everything which should be inherited is,
and what shouldn't isn't. Then, they still get it wrong.
Whoever heard of memory leaks in a 'C' program?  Now
finding them is a major industry. Most companies give up, and send
the product out, knowing it leaks like a sieve, simply to
avoid the expense of tracking them all down.

Interviewer:  There are tools...

Stroustrup:  Most of which were written in C++.

Interviewer:  If we publish this, you'll probably get lynched, you
do realize that?

Stroustrup:  I doubt it. As I said, C++ is way past its peak now,
and no company in its right mind would start a C++ project
without a pilot trial. That should convince them that it's
the road to disaster. If not, they deserve all they get.
You know, I tried to convince Dennis Ritchie to rewrite Unix in
C++.

Interviewer:  Oh my God. What did he say?

Stroustrup:  Well, luckily, he has a good sense of humor. I think
both he and Brian figured out what I was doing, in the early
days, but never let on. He said he'd help me write a C++
version of DOS, if I was interested.

Interviewer:  Were you?

Stroustrup:  Actually, I did write DOS in C++, I'll give you a
demo when we're through. I have it running on a Sparc 20 in the
computer room. Goes like a rocket on 4 CPU's, and only
takes up 70 megs of disk.

Interviewer:  What's it like on a PC?

Stroustrup:  Now you're kidding. Haven't you ever seen Windows
'95? I think of that as my biggest success. Nearly blew the
game before I was ready, though.

Interviewer:  You know, that idea of a Unix++ has really got me
thinking. Somewhere out there, there's a guy going to try it.

Stroustrup:  Not after they read this interview..

Interviewer:  I'm sorry, but I don't see us being able to publish
any of this.

Stroustrup:  But it's the story of the century. I only want to be
remembered by my fellow programmers, for what I've done
for them. You know how much a C++ guy can get these days?

Interviewer:  Last I heard, a really top guy is worth $70 - $80 an
hour.

Stroustrup:  See?  And I bet he earns it. Keeping track of all the
gotchas I put into C++ is no easy job. And, as I said
before, every C++ programmer feels bound by some mystic
promise to use every damn element of the language on every
project. Actually, that really annoys me sometimes, even
though it serves my original purpose. I almost like the
language after all this time.

Interviewer:  You mean you didn't before?

Stroustrup:  Hated it. It even looks clumsy, don't you agree?  But
when the book royalties started to come in... well, you get the picture.

Interviewer:  Just a minute. What about references?  You must
admit, you improved on 'C' pointers.

Stroustrup:  Hmm. I've always wondered about that. Originally, I
thought I had. Then, one day I was discussing this with a
guy who'd written C++ from the beginning. He said he could
never remember whether his variables were referenced or
dereferenced, so he always used pointers. He said the
little asterisk always reminded him.

Interviewer:  Well, at this point, I usually say 'thank you very
much' but it hardly seems adequate.

Stroustrup:  Promise me you'll publish this. My conscience is
getting the better of me these days.

Interviewer:  I'll let you know, but I think I know what my editor
will say.

Stroustrup:  Who'd believe it anyway?  Although, can you send me a
copy of that tape?

Interviewer:  I can do that.









From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Wed Mar 25 21:38:21 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:38:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Constable Hettinga?
Message-ID: <199803260538.GAA02112@basement.replay.com>


Finally, we have proof...

http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/carljohn/rcmphate/rcmphate.htm






From bd1011 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 25 22:09:35 1998
From: bd1011 at hotmail.com (Nobuki Nakatuji)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:09:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Serpent - A New Block Cipher Proposal for AES
Message-ID: <19980326060902.29058.qmail@hotmail.com>


Serpent - A New Block Cipher Proposal for AES

Over the last six months, I have been working with Ross Anderson and 
Lars Knudsen to develop a candidate block cipher for the Advanced 
Encryption Standard. 
Our algorithm, called Serpent, is described in a paper that will appear 
at the 5th workshop on FastSoftware Encryption.A reference 
implementation by Frank Stajano, a research students of Ross, is 
available here. 

The authors' home pages can be found both in 
http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/~biham/, http://www.ii.uib.no/~larsr/, and
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/.
The authors' email addresses are biham at cs.technion.ac.il, 
larsr at ii.uib.no, and rja14 at cl.cam.ac.uk.





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From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Wed Mar 25 22:46:43 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:46:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Prologue 14/0 -- Passoword: cypherpunks
Message-ID: <3519FA5E.50A9@sk.sympatico.ca>


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From genocide at Genocide2600.com  Wed Mar 25 23:52:45 1998
From: genocide at Genocide2600.com (Genocide)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:52:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Cumman nA mBamm
Message-ID: 



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From rmcholewa at bigfoot.com  Thu Mar 26 07:34:15 1998
From: rmcholewa at bigfoot.com (Romulo Moacyr Cholewa)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:34:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Thought you'd like this alot (fwd)
Message-ID: <005501bd58cc$693f7120$0100a8c0@pioneer.rmc1.com.br>


Begin of forwarded email message -------------------------------

From: bs at day.research.att.com[SMTP:bs at day.research.att.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 1998 10:58 AM
To: albertoa at msconecta.com.br

Sorry to send you a form letter, but I have now received dozens of
copies of that "IEEE interview" hoax. Yes, it is (obviously) a hoax.
No, it is not a hoax done by me or any of my friends; had it been,
it would have been less crude and more funny.

If you want information about C++, see my articles and books.
You can find references, articles, book chapters, and even a couple
of genuine interviews on my homepages.

- Bjarne

Bjarne Stroustrup, AT&T Labs, http://www.research.att.com/~bs

End of forwarded email message --------------------------------


This is the answer, by himself.

Romulo Moacyr Cholewa
Home Page: http://rmcweb.home.ml.org
Corporate: RomuloC at MSConecta.com.br
Personal: RMCholewa at Bigfoot.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Fyodor 
To: Bad_B0yZ:; 
Cc: cypherpunks at toad.com 
Date: Quinta-feira, 26 de Mar�o de 1998 02:03
Subject: Thought you'd like this alot (fwd)


>Heh... Wanna hear the C++ creator thoughts regarding the malevolent
>creation, he made?:-)
>
>=========/qoute/=======================/quote/====================
>[snip snip]
>Date: Mon, 09 Feb 1998 23:31:02 -0800
>Subject: Stroustrup's interview leaked...
>
>On the 1st of January, 1998, Bjarne Stroustrup gave an interview
>to the IEEE's 'Computer' magazine.
>
>Naturally, the editors thought he would be giving a retrospective
>view of seven years of object-oriented design, using the language
>he created.
>
>By the end of the interview, the interviewer got more than he had
>bargained for and, subsequently, the editor decided to suppress
>its contents, 'for the good of the industry' but, as with many of
>these things, there was a leak.
>
>Here is a complete transcript of what was said, unedited, and
>unrehearsed, so it isn't as neat as planned interviews.
>You will find it interesting...
>__________________________________________________________________
>Interviewer:  Well, it's been a few years since you changed the
>world of software design, how does it feel, looking back?
>
>Stroustrup:  Actually, I was thinking about those days, just
>before you arrived. Do you remember?  Everyone was writing 'C'
>and, the trouble was, they were pretty damn good at it.
>were turning out competent - I stress the word 'competent'
>graduates at a phenomenal rate. That's what caused the problem.
>
>Interviewer:  Problem?
>
>Stroustrup:  Yes, problem. Remember when everyone wrote Cobol?
>
>Interviewer:  Of course, I did too
>
>Stroustrup:  Well, in the beginning, these guys were like
>demi-gods. Their salaries were high, and they were treated like
>royalty.
>
>Interviewer:  Those were the days, eh?
>
>Stroustrup:  Right. So what happened?  IBM got sick of it, and
>invested millions in training programmers, till they were a dime
>a dozen.
>
>Interviewer:  That's why I got out. Salaries dropped within a
>year, to the point where being a journalist actually paid
>better.
>
>Stroustrup:  Exactly. Well, the same happened with 'C' programmers.
>
>Interviewer:  I see, but what's the point?
>
>Stroustrup:  Well, one day, when I was sitting in my office, I
>thought of this little scheme, which would redress the
>balance a little. I thought 'I wonder what would happen, if
>there were a language so complicated, so difficult to learn,
>that nobody would ever be able to swamp the market with
>programmers?  Actually, I got some of the ideas from X10,
>you know, X windows. That was such a bitch of a graphics
>system, that it only just ran on those Sun 3/60 things.
>They had all the ingredients for what I wanted. A really
>ridiculously complex syntax, obscure functions, and
>pseudo-OO structure. Even now, nobody writes raw X-windows
>code. Motif is the only way to go if you want to retain
>your sanity.
>
>Interviewer:  You're kidding...?
>
>Stroustrup:  Not a bit of it. In fact, there was another problem.
>Unix was written in 'C', which meant that any 'C' programmer
>could very easily become a systems programmer. Remember
>what a mainframe systems programmer used to earn?
>
>Interviewer:  You bet I do, that's what I used to do.
>
>Stroustrup:  OK, so this new language had to divorce itself from
>Unix, by hiding all the system calls that bound the two
>together so nicely. This would enable guys who only knew
>about DOS to earn a decent living too.
>
>Interviewer:  I don't believe you said that...
>
>Stroustrup:  Well, it's been long enough, now, and I believe most
>people have figured out for themselves that C++ is a waste
>of time but, I must say, it's taken them a lot longer than I
>thought it would.
>
>Interviewer:  So how exactly did you do it?
>
>Stroustrup:  It was only supposed to be a joke, I never thought
>people would take the book seriously. Anyone with half a
>brain can see that object-oriented programming is
>counter-intuitive, illogical and inefficient.
>
>Interviewer:  What?
>
>Stroustrup:  And as for 're-useable code' - when did you ever hear
>of a company re-using its code?
>
>Interviewer:  Well, never, actually, but...
>
>Stroustrup:  There you are then. Mind you, a few tried, in the
>early days. There was this Oregon company - Mentor
>Graphics, I think they were called - really caught a cold
>trying to rewrite everything in C++ in about '90 or '91. I
>felt sorry for them really, but I thought people would
>learn from their mistakes.
>
>Interviewer:  Obviously, they didn't?
>
>Stroustrup:  Not in the slightest. Trouble is, most companies
>hush-up all their major blunders, and explaining a $30
>million loss to the shareholders would have been
>difficult. Give them their due, though, they made it work in the end.
>
>Interviewer:  They did?  Well, there you are then, it proves O-O
>works.
>
>Stroustrup:  Well, almost. The executable was so huge, it took
>five minutes to load, on an HP workstation, with 128MB of
>RAM. Then it ran like treacle. Actually, I thought this
>would be a major stumbling-block, and I'd get found out
>within a week, but nobody cared. Sun and HP were only too
>glad to sell enormously powerful boxes, with huge resources
>just to run trivial programs. You know, when we had our
>first C++ compiler, at AT&T, I compiled 'Hello World', and
>couldn't believe the size of the executable. 2.1MB
>
>Interviewer:  What?  Well, compilers have come a long way, since
>then.
>
>Stroustrup:  They have?  Try it on the latest version of g++ - you
>won't get much change out of half a megabyte. Also, there
>are several quite recent examples for you, from all over the
>world. British Telecom had a major disaster on their hands
>but, luckily, managed to scrap the whole thing and start
>again. They were luckier than Australian Telecom. Now I
>hear that Siemens is building a dinosaur, and getting more
>and more worried as the size of the hardware gets bigger, to
>accommodate the executables. Isn't multiple inheritance a joy?
>
>Interviewer:  Yes, but C++ is basically a sound language.
>
>Stroustrup:  You really believe that, don't you?  Have you ever sat
>down and worked on a C++ project?  Here's what happens:
>First, I've put in enough pitfalls to make sure that only
>the most trivial projects will work first time. Take
>operator overloading. At the end of the project, almost
>every module has it, usually, because guys feel they really
>should do it, as it was in their training course. The same
>operator then means something totally different in every
>module. Try pulling that lot together, when you have a
>hundred or so modules. And as for data hiding. God, I
>sometimes can't help laughing when I hear about the problems
>companies have making their modules talk to each other. I
>think the word 'synergistic' was specially invented to twist
>the knife in a project manager's ribs.
>
>Interviewer:  I have to say, I'm beginning to be quite appalled at
>all this. You say you did it to raise programmers' salaries?
>That's obscene.
>
>Stroustrup:  Not really. Everyone has a choice. I didn't expect
>the thing to get so much out of hand. Anyway, I basically
>succeeded. C++ is dying off now, but programmers still get
>high salaries - especially those poor devils who have to
>maintain all this crap. You do realize, it's impossible to
>maintain a large C++ software module if you didn't actually
>write it?
>
>Interviewer:  How come?
>
>Stroustrup:  You are out of touch, aren't you?  Remember the
>typedef?
>
>Interviewer:  Yes, of course.
>
>Stroustrup:  Remember how long it took to grope through the header
>files only to find that 'RoofRaised' was a double precision
>number?  Well, imagine how long it takes to find all the
>implicit typedefs in all the Classes in a major project.
>
>Interviewer:  So how do you reckon you've succeeded?
>
>Stroustrup:  Remember the length of the average-sized 'C' project?
>About 6 months. Not nearly long enough for a guy with a
>wife and kids to earn enough to have a decent standard of
>living. Take the same project, design it in C++ and what do
>you get?  I'll tell you. One to two years. Isn't that
>great?  All that job security, just through one mistake of
>judgement. And another thing. The universities haven't
>been teaching 'C' for such a long time, there's now a
>shortage of decent 'C' programmers. Especially those who
>know anything about Unix systems programming. How many guys
>would know what to do with 'malloc', when they've used 'new'
>all these years - and never bothered to check the return
>code. In fact, most C++ programmers throw away their return
>codes. Whatever happened to good ol' '-1'?  At least you
>knew you had an error, without bogging the thing down in all
>that 'throw' 'catch' 'try' stuff.
>
>Interviewer:  But, surely, inheritance does save a lot of time?
>
>Stroustrup:  Does it?  Have you ever noticed the difference
>between a 'C' project plan, and a C++ project plan?  The planning
>stage for a C++ project is three times as long. Precisely
>to make sure that everything which should be inherited is,
>and what shouldn't isn't. Then, they still get it wrong.
>Whoever heard of memory leaks in a 'C' program?  Now
>finding them is a major industry. Most companies give up, and send
>the product out, knowing it leaks like a sieve, simply to
>avoid the expense of tracking them all down.
>
>Interviewer:  There are tools...
>
>Stroustrup:  Most of which were written in C++.
>
>Interviewer:  If we publish this, you'll probably get lynched, you
>do realize that?
>
>Stroustrup:  I doubt it. As I said, C++ is way past its peak now,
>and no company in its right mind would start a C++ project
>without a pilot trial. That should convince them that it's
>the road to disaster. If not, they deserve all they get.
>You know, I tried to convince Dennis Ritchie to rewrite Unix in
>C++.
>
>Interviewer:  Oh my God. What did he say?
>
>Stroustrup:  Well, luckily, he has a good sense of humor. I think
>both he and Brian figured out what I was doing, in the early
>days, but never let on. He said he'd help me write a C++
>version of DOS, if I was interested.
>
>Interviewer:  Were you?
>
>Stroustrup:  Actually, I did write DOS in C++, I'll give you a
>demo when we're through. I have it running on a Sparc 20 in the
>computer room. Goes like a rocket on 4 CPU's, and only
>takes up 70 megs of disk.
>
>Interviewer:  What's it like on a PC?
>
>Stroustrup:  Now you're kidding. Haven't you ever seen Windows
>'95? I think of that as my biggest success. Nearly blew the
>game before I was ready, though.
>
>Interviewer:  You know, that idea of a Unix++ has really got me
>thinking. Somewhere out there, there's a guy going to try it.
>
>Stroustrup:  Not after they read this interview..
>
>Interviewer:  I'm sorry, but I don't see us being able to publish
>any of this.
>
>Stroustrup:  But it's the story of the century. I only want to be
>remembered by my fellow programmers, for what I've done
>for them. You know how much a C++ guy can get these days?
>
>Interviewer:  Last I heard, a really top guy is worth $70 - $80 an
>hour.
>
>Stroustrup:  See?  And I bet he earns it. Keeping track of all the
>gotchas I put into C++ is no easy job. And, as I said
>before, every C++ programmer feels bound by some mystic
>promise to use every damn element of the language on every
>project. Actually, that really annoys me sometimes, even
>though it serves my original purpose. I almost like the
>language after all this time.
>
>Interviewer:  You mean you didn't before?
>
>Stroustrup:  Hated it. It even looks clumsy, don't you agree?  But
>when the book royalties started to come in... well, you get the picture.
>
>Interviewer:  Just a minute. What about references?  You must
>admit, you improved on 'C' pointers.
>
>Stroustrup:  Hmm. I've always wondered about that. Originally, I
>thought I had. Then, one day I was discussing this with a
>guy who'd written C++ from the beginning. He said he could
>never remember whether his variables were referenced or
>dereferenced, so he always used pointers. He said the
>little asterisk always reminded him.
>
>Interviewer:  Well, at this point, I usually say 'thank you very
>much' but it hardly seems adequate.
>
>Stroustrup:  Promise me you'll publish this. My conscience is
>getting the better of me these days.
>
>Interviewer:  I'll let you know, but I think I know what my editor
>will say.
>
>Stroustrup:  Who'd believe it anyway?  Although, can you send me a
>copy of that tape?
>
>Interviewer:  I can do that.
>
>
>
>
>
>







From honig at otc.net  Thu Mar 26 10:30:19 1998
From: honig at otc.net (David Honig)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:30:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Mexican Bugs
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980326103014.007bb190@otc.net>



http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/news/wires2/
	
Mexican wiretapping scandal places
 political reforms in doubt
March 26, 1998

 By Mark Stevenson, Associated Press


 MEXICO CITY (AP) � When members of
 an opposition party burst into a secret
 government wiretapping station this
 month, they did more than reveal a
 political scandal: They exposed some of
 the deepest secrets of common citizens
 in the coastal city of Campeche. 

 The wiretapping, apparently orchestrated
 by the state government to get
 information on opposition groups, has
 spawned a scandal that reaches into at
 least four other states. In most cases,
 opposition politicians were the targets. 

 But nowhere has the damage been as
 great as in Campeche, where a powerful eavesdropping system set
 up in a private home had the capacity to tap virtually all phones in
 the southern city of 200,000 people � and record some of their
 darkest lies and infidelities. 

 "We stood there in shock, in rage, impotence, as we heard
 recordings and read transcripts of our telephone conversations,''
 said Layda Sansores, a senator for the leftist opposition Democratic
 Revolution Party who discovered the surveillance center on a tip.
 "There are difficult moments over the course of seven years, things
 you don't want to remember.'' 

 "We heard a tape of one telephone call in which a man said he was
 with another man's wife. The wife was there in the room with us,
 listening,'' Sansores said at a news conference Wednesday. 

 A local journalist present during the March 3 raid on the
 surveillance center was quoted in one wiretap transcript as denying
 accusations of rape, noting he `just had fun with' an unidentified
 woman. "We haven't seen him in public since,'' Sansores said. 

 The taping in the city on the Gulf of Mexico, which used
 sophisticated computer equipment supplied by an Israeli firm,
 apparently began in 1991. Three men caught operating the bank of
 computers and phone switches have been arrested and charged with
 espionage and criminal association. Two had worked at some point
 for state police. 

 "We are a small family in Campeche, and this hurts our very
 fabric,'' Sansores said. 

 Documents uncovered by Sansores in the tiny, computerized
 wiretapping center � including dozens of tapes and transcripts of
 her own conversations "and those of everyone around me, nieces,
 sisters, my parents'' � suggest the eavesdropping was paid for by
 the Campeche state government. 

 The current government, which took office in late 1997, has
 blamed the wiretapping on a previous state governor and said the
 current governor didn't know about it. 

 Experts and politicians disagree on whether Mexico is experiencing
 a surge in wiretappings and surveillance, at a time when opposition
 groups are threatening the ruling Institutional Revolutionary Party's
 69-year uninterrupted grip on power. 

 Sansores claims that there are up to 22 of the eavesdropping
 stations around the country, and mentioned four other states where
 her supporters or party colleagues believe they have evidence of
 such surveillance. 

 On March 18, authorities seized a network of phone-tapping
 equipment and secret cameras in Monterrey that reportedly had
 been rented by politicians and businessmen in the northern city. 

 Several weeks earlier, a top official in the Mexico City government
 and also from the Democratic Revolution Party � the first
 opposition party ever to govern the capital � said she found two
 tiny surveillance cameras in her office. 

 "There is a new way of doing things when a new group comes to
 power,'' said Joel Estudillo, an analyst at the Mexican Institute of
 Political Studies. "Politicians say, `We have to find out what these
 people have done''' in the past. 

 In a closed political circle like that which has dominated Mexico for
 most of the century, secrets like past corruption are often known
 but seldom publicized until a grudge or a competition makes such
 information a valuable weapon, Estudillo said. 

 "Those kinds of understandings and internal arrangements have so
 far prevented espionage from becoming a big problem.'' 
------------------------------------------------------------
      David Honig                   Orbit Technology
     honig at otc.net                  Intaanetto Jigyoubu

Maybe them boys in Jonesboro were trying out for Lon Horiuchi's job.










	
















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From ptrei at securitydynamics.com  Thu Mar 26 13:07:08 1998
From: ptrei at securitydynamics.com (Trei, Peter)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:07:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FW: U.S. Official Cites Key Escrow Flaws
Message-ID: <6B5344C210C7D011835C0000F801276601003642@exna01.securitydynamics.com>


Found this in sci.crypt. I'm suprised it didn't hit the lists yet.

Peter Trei
trei at ziplink.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	epic-news at epic.org [SMTP:epic-news at epic.org]
> Sent:	Wednesday, March 25, 1998 11:37 PM
> Subject:	U.S. Official Cites Key Escrow Flaws
> 
> 
> ==================================================================
> 
>        U.S. OFFICIAL CONCEDES THAT "KEY RECOVERY" ENCRYPTION
>           IS INFERIOR TO ALTERNATIVE PRIVACY TECHNIQUES
> 
> 
> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                     CONTACT:
> Wednesday, March 25, 1998                 David Sobel/Dave Banisar
>                                           (202) 544-9240
> 
> WASHINGTON, DC -- A top U.S. official acknowledged more than a
> year ago that the Internet privacy technique championed by the
> Clinton Administration is "more costly and less efficient" than
> alternative methods that the government seeks to suppress.  The
> concession is contained in a newly-released high-level document on
> encryption policy obtained by the Electronic Privacy Information
> Center (EPIC).
> 
> In a November 1996 memorandum to other government officials,
> William A. Reinsch, the Commerce Department's Under Secretary for
> Export Administration, discussed the Administration's efforts to
> promote "escrowed" or "recoverable" encryption techniques in
> overseas markets.  Such techniques enable government agents to
> unscramble encrypted information and they form the cornerstone of
> current U.S. encryption policy.
> 
> After noting that government regulations permit the export of non-
> escrowed encryption products only to "safe end-users" such as
> foreign police and security agencies, Reinsch recognized the
> inferiority of the Administration's favored technology:
> 
>      Police forces are reluctant to use "escrowed" encryption
>      products (such as radios in patrol cars). They are more
>      costly and less efficient than non-escrowed products.
>      There can be long gaps in reception due to the escrow
>      features -- sometimes as long as a ten second pause. Our
>      own police do not use recoverable encryption products;
>      they buy the same non-escrowable products used by their
>      counterparts in Europe and Japan.
> 
> Ironically, Reinsch's concession is contained in a memorandum that
> discusses the Administration's strategy to "help the market
> transition from non-recoverable products to recoverable products."
> According to EPIC Legal Counsel David Sobel, the newly released
> document "suggests that the Clinton Administration is trying to
> sell key recovery technology while quietly recognizing its
> inferiority.  This approach will ultimately weaken the global
> position of the American computer industry and hold back the
> development of the privacy protections so badly needed on the
> Internet."
> 
> EPIC and other critics of current U.S. encryption policy have long
> maintained that "key escrow" and "key recovery" approaches
> compromise the security of private information by providing
> "backdoor" access to encrypted data.
> 
> The Reinsch memo was released in response to a Freedom of
> Information Act request EPIC submitted to the Department of State
> concerning the international activities of former U.S. "crypto
> czar" David Aaron.  That request is the subject of a pending
> federal lawsuit initiated by EPIC last year.
> 
> The memorandum is available at the EPIC website at:
> 
>      http://www.epic.org/crypto/key_escrow/reinsch_memo.html
> 
> 
>                              - end -
> 
> .





From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Thu Mar 26 14:50:40 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:50:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: WordSmith Crypto -- Fw: AWADmail Issue 8
Message-ID: <00c101bd591a$1d493280$2a63a58e@uymfdlvk>



-----Original Message-----
From: Wordsmith 
To: linguaphile at wordsmith.org 
Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 1:35 PM
Subject: AWADmail Issue 8


>                         AWADmail Issue 8, March 26, 1998
>         A Compendium of Feedback on the Previous Week's Words in AWAD,
>            and Other Interesting Tidbits about Words and Languages
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Anu Garg (anu at wordsmith.org)
>Subject: AWADmail is back!
>
>AWADmail is back after a long hiatus.  Last week's theme, "Words whose
>pronunciations differ a lot from their spellings" generated a huge
response.
>Some sent their favorite words in this category (colonel coming at the top
>of the list), while others forwarded poems lamenting the intractability of
>English orthoepy and orthography.  Here are selected responses.
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: E. Richard Cohen (ercohen at aol.com)
>Subject: Phonetic Pronunciation
>
>In line with this week's critique of English pronunciation, dare I bring up
>George Bernard Shaw's plea for spelling reform with the word 'GHOTI"
>
>GH   as in   "rough"
>O    as in   "women"
>TI   as in   "nation"
>
>GHOTI = "fish"
>
>    Also noted by Marc J. Broering (dad at louisville.edu), Ted Schipper
>    (ted.schipper at utoronto.ca), (Tim Nelson) tsn at deakin.edu.au, Sheila
>    Crosby (sheila at ing.iac.es), Vimala Rodgers (vimala at iihs.com) and
>    martina at aol.com. -Anu
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Derek Winkler (derek at aim-systems.on.ca)
>Subject: Ruminations & Ponderances
>
>It's funny that a couple of the words you're featuring for being pronounced
>differently than they are spelled have French origins. Being from Canada
and
>therefore being exposed to French, I look at the word and think "What do
you
>mean pronounced differently then they are spelled, how else would you
>pronounce oeuvre."
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: David Isaacson (isaacson at wmich.edu)
>Subject: Another Pronunciation for "chaos"
>
>One of the characters in Sean O'Casey's play, "Juno and the Paycock," (it's
>either Captain Jack Boyle or his sidekick "Joxer" Daly) regularly
>mispronounces this word as "chassis."
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Fred Bartlett (fredb at springer-ny.com)
>Subject: Chaos
>
>When I traveled to the old Soviet Union to edit the proceedings of a
>conference on nonlinear dynamics, I was baffled by the (English) speech
>of my Russian colleagues. They kept talking about "House" -- that is,
>"chaos". It was all perfectly reasonable (though wrong, of course):
>transliteration to Cyrillic and then pronunciation as if it were Russian.
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Steve Royster (roysters at sec.gov)
>Subject: Re: A.Word.A.Day--rendezvous
>
>I was willing to let oeuvre pass after I mistook it initially for the
French
>word for "egg."  I learned something on that one.  But isn't "rendezvous" a
>direct French import?
>
>    See next message. -Anu
>
>French, as the comedian Steve Martin has noted, is more torturous than
>English: "It's like those French have a different word for everything!"  On
>the album "A Wild and Crazy Guy," from early in his oeuvre, Martin
describes
>a man who dies trying to speak French.
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Ken Maher (ken_maher at nhmbm1.dos.nortel.com)
>Subject: Re: A.Word.A.Day--chaos
>
>Your note on the need for pronunciation guidance in English reminds me of
>what I used to tell students when I taught English as a second language for
>ten years, mostly to native speakers of Spanish, Arabic, or Swahili.  All
>languages are thieves, but most languages have the good sense to hide what
>they've stolen by making it look like their own.  English, however, is more
>vain or, perhaps, careless, and often keeps the stolen goods in their
>original forms.  For example, when Spanish stole the word for driver from
>French, it changed the spelling to "chofer," whereas English kept it as
>"chauffeur."  This linguistic practice makes English one of the most
>difficult of the Latin-alphabet languages to learn to spell.
>
>    In polite company it is called borrowing.  Whether these
>    loanwords are ever returned is another matter.      -Anu
>
>------------------------------
>
>From: Bob Simmons (bsimmons at compassnet.com)
>Subject: (Mis)pronunciation Guide
>
>While I applaud your intention to include pronunciation in AWAD, I think
you
>should look for another source. Specifically, I have a problem with each of
>the last three days' pronunciations:
>
>oeuvre (oe-VRUH) -- since this one retains its French pronunciation, it is
>just about impossible to render in English.  When I say it, it sounds more
>like e(r)-vra (with neither syllable accented). The way you've written it,
I
>would say e(r)-VREW.
>
>segue (SAG-way) -- I have never heard this pronounced other than SEG-way
>
>rendezvous (RAN-day-voo) -- I would argue that RON-day-voo is closer.
>
>
>    While reducing a spoken sound to its written form is tough enough
>    in any language, it is nearly impossible to accurately represent
>    pronunciation information using only the lowest common denominator
>    of characters -- those found on a standard English keyboard. Not
>    all systems have the capability to show phonetic characters. (Once
>    Unicode is more widely adopted, it would be possible to show all
>    IPA characters but for now we have to do with the seven bit ASCII
>    character set).  It must also be noted that the pronunciation of
>    words varies a great deal from region to region and any single way
>    of pronouncing a word cannot be called the only correct one. In that
>    spirit, the pronunciation guide provided with the words here should
>    be taken as an approximation and not as a precise phonetic equivalent.
>
>    If you disagree with a given pronunciation or anything else in AWAD,
>    please drop me a line at anu at wordsmith.org.  Due to large volume of
>    messages, I can't always respond to you but I do read all
messages. -Anu
>
>...........................................................................
...
>Every other author may aspire to praise; the lexicographer can only hope to
>escape reproach. -Samuel Johnson
>
>To see previous issues of AWADmail, visit
www.wordsmith.org/awad/archives.html
>You can get them by email too.  Send a blank message to
wsmith at wordsmith.org
>with Subject line as: AWADmail nn, where nn is the issue number.  For
example,
>to get the first issue, make the subject line as: AWADmail 01 .
>






From jya at pipeline.com  Thu Mar 26 17:09:42 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:09:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Junger v. USA Notice
Message-ID: <199803270109.UAA12162@camel7.mindspring.com>


To: pr_list4 at samsara.LAW.CWRU.Edu
Subject: Press Release
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:37:38 -0500
From: "Peter D. Junger" 



			    Press Release


New Judge to Decide Whether Export Restrictions on Software Violate
   Constitutional Guarantees of Freedom of Speech and of the Press

Reply Briefs in Junger v. Daley Available on World Wide Web

	   Government Argues that Much Software is Harmful

   ----------------------------------------------------------------

	     Cleveland, Ohio, Tuesday, March 26, 1998
			For Immediate Release

            
		    For More Information Contact:
		    Peter D. Junger (216) 368-2535
		    

		    Gino Scarselli (216) 291-8601
		    


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Cleveland, Ohio, March 26 -- 

A status conference in the case of Junger v. Daley, the suit in which
a law professor at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio
seeks to enjoin the enforcement by the United States Department of
Commerce of the export regulations on encryption software, will be
held Friday, March 27, at 10:00 a.m. in the chambers of Federal
District Judge James S. Gwin in the federal courthouse in Akron,
Ohio.  The case turns on the issue of whether the publication in
electronic form of encryption software---software that is used to
preserve the privacy of electronic communications and data stored on a
computer---is entitled to protection under the First Amendment to the
United States Constitution.

Judge Gwin, a recent appointee to the federal bench who previously
served on the Ohio Court of Common Pleas, has replaced Judge Donald
C. Nugent as the judge responsible for the litigation. 

The plaintiff, Professor Peter Junger, who teaches a course in
Computing and the Law and who wishes to publish his class materials
containing some encryption programs on his World Wide Web server,
seeks an injunction against the enforcement by the defendant, Commerce
Secretary Daley, of the export regulations promulgated the Department
of Commerce that require anyone who wishes to publish encryption
software of the Internet or on the World Wide Web to first obtain a
license from the Bureau of Export Administration.

Both sides have filed for summary judgment.  Junger argues that the
freedoms of speech and of the press that are secured by the First
Amendment protect the writing and publication of computer programs.
The government, on the other hand, argues that computer programs are
not entitled to the protection of the First Amendment because they are
``functional''. 

Each side has filed a brief in support of its motion for summary
judgment.  These briefs and the complaint and motions for summary
judgment are available at  and
.  In addition both sides
have filed reply briefs that are now available at:






In his reply brief the plaintiff's lawyers argue:  ``Making software 
available on the Internet and the World Wide Web is publication of
that software, and publication in that medium is entitled to the
unqualified protection of the First Amendment.''

The government responds to this argument in its reply brief by
claiming that software is a ``functional item'' and thus not entitled
to protection as speech.  In furtherance of this claim it points out,
``Much software ... is designed to cause substantial harm,'' and that
``software can be used to invade privacy, commit fraud, and
substantially disrupt and endanger people's lives.''

``That is rather a perverse argument,'' says Junger, ``considering
that encryption software is used to protect against exactly the harms
that the government lists and that there is no law against the use of
encryption software, while, of course, there are laws against invading
privacy, committing fraud, and substantially disrupting and
endangering people's lives.  It is clear that the government does not
claim just the right to regulate the writing and publication of
encryption software.  It claims the right to forbid the writing and
publication of any type of computer program whatsoever without being
in any way restricted by the First Amendment.  There are, of course,
some types of speech, like obscenity, that the courts have held are
not entitled to the protection of the First Amendment, but no court
has ever subscribed to the government's remarkable theory that the
First Amendment does not protect functional speech.''

``My case,'' says Junger, ``is not just about the constitutionality of
the regulations forbidding the export of encryption software, though
that is an extremely important issue.  The real issue is whether the
First Amendment protects the writing and publication of any type of
computer program.''


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From: ddt at lsd.com (Dave Del Torto)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:37:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: anti-snoop RF detector
Message-ID: 


Anyone have any info on this "Series Technology" company?

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................................. cut here .................................
[ WhiteBoard News Excerpt: Wed 18 March 1998 ]

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From zeus at alt.net  Fri Mar 27 07:24:42 1998
From: zeus at alt.net (Dr. Zeus)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:24:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Youwon'thave?To?Totokickaroundanymore...
In-Reply-To: <35170F43.2C65@sk.sympatico.ca>
Message-ID: <351BC489.3AC7@alt.net>


Toto wrote:
> 
> sincethedeathofGomez,myunclehashadadrinkinhishandconstantly,exceptwhen
> hehasdroppeditonhiskeyboard,fuckingitupandmakingitdostrangethings,suchas
> nolongermakingspacesappearwhenhepressesthespacekey,whichisnormally
> calledsomethingelse,however,Ican'ttellyouwhatitscalled,sincethekeyusedtospell
> itdoesn'twork,either.
> (hint,veavsi&vutthead,vadvoy-vadvoy-whatcha-gonna-do,whatchagonnadowhen
> theycomeforyou?,iputthequestionmarkinvyhittingtherightenterkey...)
> tousetheshiftkeyIhavetotypeanextraletter,sincetheshiftkey,leftone,doesadelete-
> vackspacevevoreaddingtheshiftedcharacter.
> thedeathofgomez,whichhappenedwhenthe?N?S?A-?C?I?A?(therightshiftkey
> addsaquestionmarkveforeaddingtheshiftedcharacter)
> 
> writingthisislikewhatmyuncletellsmeavoutveingonlsd,hee-hee...
> couldsomeonesendthisto-villg-at-microsoft.com,please,sinceican't
> typeayou-know-what-inthecccolonfield?(iputthatquestionmarkinvyhitting
> the?keywithoutdoingashiftkey--also,ifiguredoutthatthe'v'key,youknowwhich
> oneimean,doesa'control-v',sinceittriestomakethecharacters'vold'wheni
> hititvymistake.
> andcoulddavesmithputthisonhissightasprologue-numverslash0.?(thenumver
> onekeydoesn'tworkeither,vuticanputaquestionmarkattheendofasentence
> andthenuseparenthesiswhilesavingakeystrokevecausethekeyvoardputs
> the?inautomaticallywheniusetherightshiftkey.
> itisreallyweirdtypingthisstuffwithakeyvoardthatdoesthingsthatarenotdone
> thewaythatmyvrainandfingersarewired.ivetthatificouldputspacesinthis,
> thateveryonewouldthinkthatjohnyoungwaswritingit.
> 
> anyway,ifanyofyouarereally,reallystoned,sostillreadingthisvecauseyou
> understanditanddon'tseeanythingoddavoutit,couldyoudoakeywordsearch
> inyahoomountaindeworsomeothersearchengineforaprogramthatletsa
> personcustomizethekeyvoardsothattheycanusedifferentkeystomakethe
> charactersthatdon'tworkonthiskeyvoard,andsenditvyemailto-toto-at-the
> addresswhereallthespamvullshitandcrapolatothecypherpunkslistcomes
> from?--iamaskingyoutodothisvecausehefuckedupmycomputer,2.
> myuncleisjustanoldvrokendowndrunkenasshole,vuticanfixhiscomputer
> ifigetakeyvoardcustomizingprogram,sothanksifyoucansendit.
> 
> ifsomeonecoulddothis,theniwouldpromisetoquitaskingthecypherpunks
> womeniftheyarewearingpanties--i'mlying,vuti'mjustakid...
> ok,vuticouldofferyouavlow-jovifyoudoit,fromoneofvianca'schild-girl
> apprentices,althoughtheywillkillmewhentheyreadthis...
> 
> ok,i'mgoingnow,vutihopesomeonewillsendmeaprogramthatwill
> helpmefixmyuncle'scomputer,evenifhewilluseittospamyourmailing
> listwithstuffthatyoushouldvelisteningto,exceptthathemakesitsothat
> youcan'tunderstandwhathe'ssayingunlessyoureallydoputacorkin
> yourassholesothatyoucanquitthinkinglikeasheeple.
> 
> thanks,
> humangus-peter
> ?(anotherguywhosendsyoushitthatyouwishpeoplewouldstopsending
> toyourmailinglist,eventhoughithinkyouguysarecool,eventhegrouchy
> onesliketimmayandthespookyguyslikekentcrispinwhowouldprovavly
> veacircleofeunuchsguyiftheyweren'twatchinghimsoclose--he'sstill
> alive,likedalethorn.?)
> isn'titcoolhowiautomaticallygetaquestionmarkveforetheparenthesis,and
> canmakeaquestionmarkwithoutusingtheshiftkey?
> pps-ifyoudon'tunderstandsemiotics,thentherearekidsinsaskatchewan
> whoaresmarterthanyou,evenifyouknowavoutplutoniumdecayratesand
> wheretheyellowwiregoes.
> i'llquitveforeyouthinki'mascrazyasmyuncle.
> ppps-i'malwaysaskingpeoplewhopostfrom?A?(h?)?O?Liftheyarewearing
> panties,vuttheydon'tgetthejoke,andi'mnotsurethatido,either,vuti'mgoing
> tokeepondoingit.
> pppps-anarchistusedeltekeys,they'reimmortalcypherpunks...

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From bill.stewart at pobox.com  Fri Mar 27 11:27:05 1998
From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:27:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fwd: 10 Laws the Net Needs - Article/Survey
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980327112541.0094a6d0@popd.ix.netcom.com>


Sigh.  Another control freak concerned about the anarchy of the Net
is doing a survey.  Voting is still open, and I'd encourage you to
go see the mix of opinions of the 8000 or so current voters
and add your own.

------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From:
http://www.cnet.com/Content/Features/Dlife/Laws10/index.html


10 Laws the Net Needs
CNet Features

               By Susan Stellin
               (3/23/98)

               When the U.S. Congress passed the
               Communications Decency Act in 1995, Net
               activists staged a collective revolt. Protestors set up
               anti-CDA Web pages, launched campaigns to stop Net
               censorship, and hit the streets to voice their
               opposition.

               When the Supreme Court struck down the CDA,
               many online activists breathed a sigh of relief.
               But as it turns out, that law was just a preview of
               things to come.

               This year, there are more than 50 bills before
               Congress that propose some kind of Internet
               regulation. And policymakers from China to the
               European Union have been equally busy.

               Like it or not, this genie's been let out of the
               bottle; Net laws are on the way. So as the saying
               goes, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

               We've taken the lead on this one and drafted ten
               of our own Internet laws: proposals dealing with
               real issues like the proliferation of spam, the
               invasion of online privacy, and yes, the too-easy
               access to pornography. Some of our ideas match
               bills Congress is already considering; others
               address problems that Washington hasn't thought
               of yet.

               Brazen? You bet. In fact, not everyone at CNET
               agrees with all of these proposals--and you may
               not either.

               So we've decided to put them up for a vote.
               We've paired each law with an electronic ballot
               box. So exercise your (virtual) right to vote, and let
               us know how on-track--or off-base--our ideas are.

               The polls are open...



               Susan Stellin is an executive editor at CNET. The
               ideas expressed in this article are her own and do not
               necessarily reflect the opinions of CNET: The Computer
               Network or its executives, board of directors, TV
               hosts, public relations department, yadda yadda yadda.
               Susan's mom, however, agrees with everything in here.


For the full article and voting see:

http://www.cnet.com/Content/Features/Dlife/Laws10/index.html


--------------------------
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					Bill
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:57:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: WOW-COM Registration
Message-ID: <0ee7b5057131b38MAIL@uunt.net>




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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:21:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fwd: 10 Laws the Net Needs - Article/Survey
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From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:05:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: GRAND JURY: Jonesboro Guilty, Society and Christianity Indicted As Co-conspirators
Message-ID: <351C9E6E.FF00180C@sk.sympatico.ca>


[Bienfait Nutly News:] A GRAND JURY CONVENING DURING HAPPY HOUR
at the CoalDust Saloon took to heart the Arkansas Govenor's statement
that,
"We need to lay the blame for the Jonesboro tragedy squarely at the feet
of
the culture that breeds this kind of response in a child."

The Grand Jury forebroad noted that the child perpetrators had neither
been
to Hollywood, nor to any art gallerys funded by the National Foundation
for
the Arts against the wishes of various 'Family Values' coalitions.

 "It's pretty clear that these murderous young monsters are an end
result of
the cultural influences they were exposed to in the course of being
brought
up in the community of Jonesboro. Accordingly we have returned an
unasked-
for verdict of 'guilty' against the citizens of that community, and have
indicted
two others who we feel acted as co-conspirators in this tragedy."

The Grand Jury released two beer-stained items of evidence that they had

used in their drunken deliberations:

* "Road Rage" gets the attention, but more rages are coming into
prominence:  Pre-pay Rage, Albuquerque, N.Mex., January (a man
wanted to pump his gas before he paid; fired several gunshots into
the clerk's car).  Late-Fee Rage, McLean, Va., January (former
State Dept. lawyer was not allowed to rent a movie until he settled
an old late fee; ran down the store owner with his car, knocking
him through the window of a nearby restaurant).  Rain Rage, Los
Angeles, February (as two men passed in the rain, their umbrellas
accidentally touched; one man then aimed his umbrella at the
other's face and thrust the tip through his eye, piercing his brain,
sending him to the hospital in critical condition).
~WEIRDNUZ.526 (News of the Weird, March 6, 1998) by Chuck Shepherd

* According to a September federal indictment in Des Moines,
Iowa, Kenneth Ray Bruner (who is the stepson of a Pentacostal
minister in Oklahoma City) led his seven accomplices in prayer
three weeks earlier, asking for God's protection just before they set
out to knock off Hermans Fine Jewelry.  Bruner acknowledged,
according to the indictment, "that they were going to do bad things
but that they were not bad people."  No one was hurt in the
robbery, and everyone was behind bars by the following day.
 ~WEIRDNUZ.526 (News of the Weird, March 6, 1998) by Chuck Shepherd

"If these were aberrations," the forebroad slurred, wiping drool off the
corner
of her chin and slapping the hand of President Clinton, who had passed
out
in the bar the evening before and stayed over for the trial, "that would
be one
thing, but these examples are just the tip of the iceberg."
"It has been obvious for quite some time that both society and
Christianity
are way out of control, and there is no telling how much greater the
damage
they cause would be if these two entities were able to operate without
the
calming influence of gun-bearing paramilitarists, who can only be pushed
so
far before they begin to push back, themselves."

The Grand Jury's released statement went fairly easy on the parents of
the
child warriors, pointing out that, from the moment of their birth, they
became
the SSN-registered property of the government, with the majority of
their
upbringing being controled by the many laws regulating the manner and
nature of education and discipline that their parents are
allowed/required to
provide for them.
"Had the parents taken a strong hand in the discipline and direction of
their
children's education, they would have been vulnerable to prosecution for
a
variety of serious offenses, and it is likely the government would have
revoked the parents' possession of the child-property in question.
"As well, most members of the community of Jonesboro, the surrounding
social community, and the Christian community, would have undoubtedly
used every available law and law enforcement agency at their fingertips
to prevent the parents from helping their children to escape beyond the
reach of 'We the Sheeple.'"

A barmaid with a Rose Tattoo on her butt nodded in agreement as this
portion of the Grand Jury's statement was read.
The woman had fled Jonesboro the day before the shootings with her own
son, having kidnapped him from a Child Services detention center, where
he was placed after a Christian neighbor had turned her in for allowing
him
to view her live-in boyfriend's Playboy magazines.
"I feel kind of guilty for leaving other people's children behind, to
suffer the
consequences of living in such a dangerous community, but I'm already
facing one count of kidnapping..."

An informal tribunal of drunks and drug addicts returning from the
restrooms
questioned the Grand Jury's failure to indict the government.
One gentleman paused from wiping foreign substances off of his shoes, to

ask, "Since the government is the chief instigator and enforcer in the
process
of crushing the spirit of children, providing funding for most of the
boxes that
their free spirits are crammed into, as well as hunting down and putting
in
more secure boxes those who attempt to evade their responsibility to
remain
within the boundaries set aside to contain their number..."
"Drawing outside the lines!" someone shouted.
Nodding agreement, the gentleman continued, "...then surely they should
have
not only been indicted, as well, and found guilty, but they should have
received
the same penalty as those who backed the actions of the Waco murderers,
according to the guidelines of the McVeigh Convention, as passed by
the Mulatohma Citizen's Tribunal presided over by Judge Bell."

"Well, we did return a few *secret* indictments," the forebroad grinned,
with
a wink to the gentleman, "but we're waiting for TruthMonger to figure
out
where the 'yellow wire' goes..."

In the efforts of fairness, so not to be seen as engaging in yet another
round
of all-too-common Suburbian Christian bashing, the Grand Jury also
released
evidence that communities and religions far distanced from Jonesboro
should
think twice  before gloating over "the anal-retentives finally getting
theirs,"
as a dark-skinned, slant-eyed member of an obscure religious cult
was heard to say, before suddenly dying of alcohol poisoning, whereupon
his soul went up on the roof and the bartender dialed 911, asking them
to
send an ambulance and a Frisbeetarian Priest:

* Dubious Salvations:  In January in Jerusalem, self-described
mystic rabbi David Batzri offered specialized blessings in person
or by telephone for those who have sinned by masturbation (which
he said is the principal cause of demons).  And in Hong Kong in
November, self-proclaimed "knight of God" Syed Atta
Muhammad, 32, was committed to a psychiatric center after he
assaulted a 22-year-old tour guide, whose breasts he thought were
too big to serve God because they made her look like a prostitute.
 ~WEIRDNUZ.526 (News of the Weird, March 6, 1998) by Chuck Shepherd








From proff at iq.org  Fri Mar 27 22:59:10 1998
From: proff at iq.org (Julian Assange)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:59:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Deniable Cryptography [was winnowing, chaffing etc]
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


mgraffam at mhv.net writes:

> I figure the best we can do is to hide the contents of S with crypto and
> hide its existence through other means. Traditional stego works well 
> for this latter goal, but it does not give us a way to cough up something
> meaningful in place of S, which could be very handy.
> 
> In short, certainly the existence of S needs to be hidden, and it would be
> best to do hide it in plain sight as it were, in a big junk pile with
> everything else on the drive. 
> 
> Indexing this huge mess of data to allow for a practical system to work
> with is certainly a challenge, and in all likelyhood impossible given the
> parameters of the system.
> 

Marutukku (my rubber-hose proof filing system) addresses most of these
technical issues, but I'd like to just comment on the best strategy
game-theory wise, of the person wielding the rubber-hose.

In Marutukku the number of encrypted extents (deniable "virtual"
partitions) defaults to 16 (although is theoretically unlimited). As
soon as you get over about 4 pass-phrases, the excuse "I can't recall"
or "there's nothing else there" starts to sounding highly plauseable.

Ordinarily best strategy for the rubber-hose wielder is to keep on
beating keys out of (let us say, Alice) indefinitely till there are no
keys left. However, and importantly, in Marutukku, *Alice* can never
prove that she has handed over the last key. As Alice hands over more
and more keys, her attackers can make observations like "the keys
Alice has divulged correspond to 85% of the bits". However at no point
can her attackers prove that the remaining 15% isn't simply
unallocated space, and at no point can Alice, even if she wants to,
divulge keys to 100% of the bits, in order to get the un-divulged
portion down to 0%. An obvious point to make here is that
fraction-of-total-data divulged is essentially meaningless, and both
parties know it - the launch code extent may only take up .01% of the
total bit-space.

What I find interesting, is how this constraint on Alice's behaviour
actually protects her from revealing her own keys, because each party,
at the outset can make the following observations:

Rubber-hose-squad: We will never be able to show that Alice has
		   revealed the last of her keys. Further, even if
		   Alice has co-operated fully and has revealed all of
		   her keys, she will not be able to prove it.
		   Therefor, we must assume that at every stage that
		   Alice has kept secret information from us, and
		   continue to beat her, even though she may have
		   revealed the last of her keys. But the whole time
		   we will feel uneasy about this because Alice may
		   have co-operated fully. Alice will have realised this
		   though, and so presumably it's going to be very hard
		   to get keys out of her at all.


Alice:		   (Having realised the above) I can never prove that I
		   have revealed the last of my keys. In the end I'm
		   bound for continued beating, even if I can buy
		   brief respites by coughing up keys from time to
		   time. Therefor, it would be foolish to divulge my
		   most sensitive keys, because (a) I'll be that much
		   closer to the stage where I have nothing left to
		   divulge at all (it's interesting to note that this
		   seemingly illogical, yet entirely valid argument of
		   Alice's can protect the most sensitive of Alice's
		   keys the "whole way though", like a form
		   mathematical induction), and (b) the taste of truly
		   secret information will only serve to make my
		   aggressors come to the view that there is even
		   higher quality information yet to come, re-doubling
		   their beating efforts to get at it, even if I have
		   revealed all. Therefor, my best strategy would be
		   to (a) reveal no keys at all or (b) depending on
		   the nature of the aggressors, and the psychology of
		   the situation, very slowly reveal my "duress" and
		   other low-sensitivity keys.

Alice certainly isn't in for a very nice time of it (although she
she's far more likely to protect her data).

On the individual level, you would have to question whether you might
want to be able to prove that, yes, infact you really have surrendered
the last remaining key, at the cost of a far greater likelihood that
you will. It really depends on the nature of your opponents.  Are they
intelligent enough understand the deniable spect of the cryptosystem
and come up with the above strategy? Determined to the extent they
are will to invest the time and effort in wresting the last key out of
you? Ruthless - do they say "Please", hand you a Court Order, or is it
more of a Room 101 affair?

But there's more to the story.

Organisations and groups may have quite different goals in terms of
key retention vs torture relief to the individuals that comprise them,
even if their views are otherwise co-aligned. I'm not talking about
some mega-complex multinational 8 level hierarchy. A simple democratic
union of two or more people will exhibit this behaviour.

When a member of a group, who uses conventional cryptography to
protect group secrets is rubber-hosed, they have two choices (1)
defecting (by divulging keys) in order to save themselves, at the cost
of selling the other individuals in the group down the river or (2)
staying loyal, protecting the group and in the process subjugating
themselves continued torture.

With Marutukku-style deniable cryptography, the benefits to the
individual derived from choosing tactic (1) are largely
eliminated. Individuals that are "otherwise loyal" to the group, will
realise this and choose tactic (2).

Presumably most people in the group do not want to be forced to give
up their ability to choose defection. On the other hand, no one in the
group wants anyone (other than themselves) in the group to be given
the option of defecting against the group (and thus
themselves). Provided no individual is certain* they are to be
rubber-hosed, every individual will support the adoption of a
group-wide Marutukku-style cryptographically deniable crypto-system.

* Actually a complicated threshold.

Cheers,
Julian





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From bastus7 at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 28 05:15:42 1998
From: bastus7 at hotmail.com (Mihai Tarabuta)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 05:15:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: sec file
Message-ID: <19980328131510.10572.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hi folks,
I'm a newbie so I my be in a wrong place,.
Anyway, can someone tell me what kind of program(MSDOS/WINDOWS) encrypts 
file(s) and as a result, it makes a file with ".sec" extension. The 
result file contains a header string "PNCICRYPT".
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From proff at iq.org  Sat Mar 28 08:42:53 1998
From: proff at iq.org (Julian Assange)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:42:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: NRA support for crypto [was Rivest's Wheat & Chaff - A crypto alternative]
In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980323132339.006a03e4@mail.clark.net>
Message-ID: 


"Marcus J. Ranum"  writes:

> >Since when have you been a cryptographer, Marcus?
> 
> Ever since I independently re-invented ROT-12 at the age of 12. :)

I guess that was a bit mean. I'm just not sure one is really a
cryptographer till one is spending the majority of their time doing it
and earning a living (or a lot of respect) due to the quality of the
work produced. i.e dabbling in cryptography != I've made significant
contributions to the state of the art (I know you have made useful
contributions to other parts of the security world). We .... is often
used as a psychological ploy, to convince people the argument that
follows is their own. Given that I strongly disagreed with the
substance of your message, perhaps I took a dislike to the We
.... business a little too eagerly.

> >> Has anyone considered approaching the NRA for support for
> >> cryptography?? If it is a munition, isn't our right to use it
> >> domestically protected under the second amendment, just like
> >> our right to keep and bear arms?
> >
> >Guns are made for killing people. Terrorists use guns. Terrorists
> >kill people. Cryptography is guns. Terrorists use cryptography.
> >Cryptography kills people.  What a fantastic public relations ploy.
> >The genius of it.
> 
> D'uh, that's what FBI is saying already!

So your suggesting putting your weight behind a tactical metaphor of
the FBI? Effectively letting them control the landscape of the debate,
by implanting into the public's minds that guns equal cryptography.

Ok.

You now have a situation where all strong cryptography is out-lawed
(err, when was the last time you purchased a A42 tank cannon?)
domestically, everything requires export permits (wadda ya mean I can't
post my 10 gauge to Zurich without a license?!) and weak cryptography
is exposed to a whole host of restrictions, including key size
limitation (small arms only), speed limitations (it's dangerous to be
able to encrypt too many messages quickly and automatically), usage
registration (1 32 bit 8 round IDEA cipher and 2 40 bit barrel-loaded
RC4's in farmer Jones' bedroom), cooling off periods (can't let people
encrypt on a 'whim), exclusion of un-desirables (you want a crypto
license and you haven't been in the state 3 months/had a psychiatric
illness/were convicted of an offence/are under the age of 21/listen to
NPR?!), necessity (I need that there 56 bit 8 rounder for rabbit
'crypting; I had to encrypt, officer, in a suburban environment - it was
self defence against hardened criminal hackers!).

> Cryptography is a tool for liberty! Cryptography was used to
> save lives in the war! It's been used throughout history by
> freedom loving men and women to fight oppression! It's as
> American as apple pie!

Breaking cryptography saved lives in the war, this is extensively
documented over hundreds of clearly defined cases [see Kahn's epic
work]. How many lives both-sides using cryptography saved is
intangible. I suspect the completely unreal situation of all-sides
having open communications would have saved a truly huge number of
lives.

> >> I will give up one time pad when you pry it from my cold dead
> >> left hand. My rifle will be in my right hand.
> >
> >Tell me this is fabricated Macrus.
> 
> I wrote that. What's your beef? Having a bad hair day or
> something?

 I honnestly believed you had been done over by D. Vulis there
	for a moment.

Cheers,
Julian.





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From mgraffam at mhv.net  Sat Mar 28 15:05:15 1998
From: mgraffam at mhv.net (mgraffam at mhv.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:05:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Deniable Cryptography [was winnowing, chaffing etc]
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

On 28 Mar 1998, Julian Assange wrote:
> Rubber-hose-squad: We will never be able to show that Alice has
> 		   revealed the last of her keys. Further, even if
> 		   Alice has co-operated fully and has revealed all of
> 		   her keys, she will not be able to prove it.
> 		   Therefor, we must assume that at every stage that
> 		   Alice has kept secret information from us, and
> 		   continue to beat her, even though she may have
> 		   revealed the last of her keys. But the whole time
> 		   we will feel uneasy about this because Alice may
> 		   have co-operated fully.

I've never really fully understood this assumption. It seems to me
that any person or group that would beat a person isn't going to
care much if Alice cooperated or not. 

All things considered, a group with enough power to grab Alice and
beat her probably has ways to escape punishment from the law, or
doesn't care about the law in the first place. 

In this case, I figure that their best option is to beat Alice everyday
forever or until she dies. Whichever comes first.

The longer they beat her, the better chance there is that she broke
down and gave them her most important secrets. Even if she can't prove
it.. so what? The rubber-hose group isn't exactly the boy scouts. They
beat her the next day too, this time a little harder.

Alice may hold up, she may not.. I don't really see the cryptosystem
helping here. You can't win a game when the other player doesn't use
your rules. You have to use the same set of rules. We know that
the rubber-hose wielding guys aren't going to play by Alice's rules.
So, the only way for Alice to win is to do the impossible (because this
is reality, not TV) and that is to grab the rubber hose and beat them
with it.

I don't think that any crypto can defend this sort of attack, because
it has nothing to do with crypto. Consider even a one-time pad. Alice
could calculate the needed pads that would turn her ciphertext into
other meaningful plaintext messages. So they beat her. She gives them
a pad.. and they beat her again. It won't end. They can never know
if they got the "right" pad. But it doesn't really matter, does it?

In my opinion deniable encryption is only valuable against a more or
less civil entity. 

Now, what might be useful is some sort of biometric info that is part
of the key material. Heart rate, brain wave patterns, maybe biochemical
information. As Alice gets beat the fluctuations in her body could make
it impossible for her to reveal the information. A sensitive enough
system might even stand up against stuff like intimidation and
nervousness.. a polygraph test can supposedly detect this.

If such a system were implemented, then this could render rubber-hose
cryptanalysis useless, or at least much harder to put into effect.

Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net)
http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc
Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine.
				Henry David Thoreau "Civil Disobedience"


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From brianbr at together.net  Sat Mar 28 15:30:29 1998
From: brianbr at together.net (Brian B. Riley)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:30:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Deniable Cryptography [was winnowing, chaffing etc]
Message-ID: <199803282330.SAA11522@mx02.together.net>


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On 3/28/98 5:53 PM, mgraffam at mhv.net (mgraffam at mhv.net)  passed this
wisdom:

>In this case, I figure that their best option is to beat Alice 
>everyday forever or until she dies. Whichever comes first.
>
>The longer they beat her, the better chance there is that she broke 
>down and gave them her most important secrets. Even if she can't 
>prove it.. so what? The rubber-hose group isn't exactly the boy 
>scouts. They beat her the next day too, this time a little harder.
>
>Alice may hold up, she may not.. I don't really see the 
>cryptosystem helping here. You can't win a game when the other 
>player doesn't use your rules. You have to use the same set of 
>rules. We know that the rubber-hose wielding guys aren't going to 
>play by Alice's rules. So, the only way for Alice to win is to do 
>the impossible (because this is reality, not TV) and that is to 
>grab the rubber hose and beat them with it. 

 The whole point is that since such a system offers no way to verify
that Alice has indeed at any point given them 'everything' she has to
tell, they will keep beating Alice; Alice, recognizing this at the
outset has no reason to give them anything because she knows that since
she cannot prove she has given them everything they will beat her again
and again no matter what she does. The idea of successive keys unlocking
more and more important data means that she can chose to give them some
of her keys and then just grit out the beatings til they either develop
conscience (unlikely), lose patience, (more likely), or figure they have
gotten all there is to get.

While this method guarantees a beating, it really does offer the best
chance of getting away with the withholding of the most secure keys.

The only chink in the system would be independent knowledge from a
coworker or some such that there is more there.
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Brian B. Riley --> http://members.macconnect.com/~brianbr
  For PGP Keys  

  "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is
    no path, and leave a trail"  - Ralph Waldo Emerson







From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Sat Mar 28 16:45:46 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:45:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CypherPunks -- The Early Years Part II
Message-ID: <000101bd5abc$848b11e0$2763a58e@uymfdlvk>


Eric Hughes, secretly writing Prologue 15/0 of SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY
DRUGS,
   quoted L.M. Boyd as saying:

 Among black bears, a mother rules a territory. When her
daughter is a year and a half old, the mother assigns a
portion of the territory to said daughter. This doesn't
happen to the black bear son. When he's about three years
old, he's just flatout driven off the property. Look,
there's one down at the end of the bar, saying, "My mommy
kicked me out when I was three."

~~~~
A Toto To Be Or Not To Be Named Earlier 
(aka - F. Bacon)







From mgraffam at mhv.net  Sat Mar 28 17:21:17 1998
From: mgraffam at mhv.net (mgraffam at mhv.net)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:21:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Deniable Cryptography [was winnowing, chaffing etc]
In-Reply-To: <199803282330.SAA11522@mx02.together.net>
Message-ID: 


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On Sat, 28 Mar 1998, Brian B. Riley wrote:
>  The whole point is that since such a system offers no way to verify
> that Alice has indeed at any point given them 'everything' she has to
> tell, they will keep beating Alice; Alice, recognizing this at the
> outset has no reason to give them anything because she knows that since
> she cannot prove she has given them everything they will beat her again
> and again no matter what she does.

She has a reason to tell them as much as she can. When she tells them a
key that yields meaningful data, they stop beating her for the day.
At some point she will give away all the keys that yield innocuous or
less important data. Then she will say "I dont have anything else."
Which the bad guys figure she is going to say at some point anyhow, and
they keep beating her no matter what, as we agree they will probably do.

At some point, she will give up that most important key just to escape
the day's beating, or to get the knife removed from her hand.. If the
attackers are smart, they would leave her alone for varying amounts of
time, so that at any point the key that she gives might buy her a month
or more of pain-free existence. Maybe more.

If I were a bad guy, I'd opt for letting her live well for a few years,
and then one day we start the beatings again, as often as possible (short
of killing her). At some point, she'll say "The only key that I have left
is the most important one. If I give it up, maybe I'll get another 2 years
of the good life."

She would know that I would never let her go, and she would know that
the beatings would continue for the rest of her life. It simply becomes
a matter of how much pain-free time she gives herself. 

If the attacker beat her every second of every day, no matter if she
gives a key or not, then you are right. I suspect everyone would keep
their mouth shut out of spite, if nothing else. 

But if the key she gives yields meaningful data, then the tables
change really quickly.

There is another point to realize, there is a point where you simply
stop acting reasonably because of the pain and suffering.. and once
reason is out the window, expecting Alice to hold on to the keys because
she is screwed either way is a gamble. Sure, the scheme works when we
are being reasonable, but when you get the side of your head smashed
it, reasonableness is one of the first things to leave you.

This is why I think that pursuing a biological form of authentication
could be so useful. It could potentially make beating the person 
prolong the time needed to get the information. If the bioauthentication
system could take biofeedback from feelings like intimidation or anxiety,
and use these to alter the resulting "key" output, then it would actually
behoove the attackers to give Alice a nice comfy bed and 3 squares a day.

	"Sometimes," she said, "they threaten you with something --
	something that you can't stand up to, can't even think about."
	...
	"Under the spreading chestnut tree
	I sold you and you sold me -"
						- Julia, and a portion of
						  a song from "1984"

Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net)
http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc
Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine.
				Henry David Thoreau "Civil Disobedience"

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From jr at dev.null  Sat Mar 28 22:28:39 1998
From: jr at dev.null (Janet Reno)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:28:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Laws? We don't need no stinking laws!!!
Message-ID: <351E0477.5E1E@dev.null>


From: "Janet Reno" 
To: "CypherPunks" 
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Subject: Laws? We don't need no stinking laws...
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Announcing
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existence of real, constitutionally enforceable laws to arrest, charge =
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inevitable by reporting immediately to the Reptilian Nazi labor camps =
recently finished at Lost Alamo, and in Mule Shoe, Texas.

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[BOTTOM LINE]   UNITED STATES CHARGES 6 OFFSHORE COMPANIES WITH ILLEGAL
OFFSHORE SPORTS BETTING

[WHAT HAPPENED]  On March 4, authorities led by the FBI charged 14 =
owners
and managers of 6 companies with illegal use of interstate telephone =
lines
for on-line betting on amateur and professional sports.  All 14 =
defendants
are American citizens.  The 6 companies are located in Central America =
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prison and $250,000 in fines.

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operated a sportsbook and on-line casino in Grenada.

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to
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are pending, some in Congress and among the public are impatient that no
federal enforcement actions have been taken.  Others speculate that =
state
governments are concerned that their lucrative take from lotteries and
other state-sponsored non-sports betting could be reduced if on-line
betting is not discouraged.

[THE SIGNIFICANCE]  If the charges are not settled and are pursued =
through
trial and appeals, this could be the case to write US law on a number of
fundamental on-line issues, including jurisdiction and national
sovereignty, as well as on-line gambling.  It is doubtful that anyone
expects law enforcement to eliminate on-line gambling; the intent may
simply be to discourage its rapid growth, particularly in sports =
betting.
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decisions
adverse to it would be useful by identifying shortcomings in existing =
law.

[INFORMATION SOURCES]  For the news story:  www.nytimes.com and
www.cnn.com.
The six companies can be found at:
www.galaxysports.com (Galaxy Sports)
www.islandcasino.com (Island Casino)
www.realcasino.com (Real Casino)
www.sdbg.com (SDB Global)
www.winnersway.com (Winner's Way)
www.wsex.com (World Sports Exchange)

[CONTRIBUTING EDITOR]  Chadbourne & Parke - Contact Barry Nemmers:
barry.nemmers at chadbourne.com




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From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Sat Mar 28 23:32:21 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:32:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Global Internet Liberty Campaign Alert 2.4
Message-ID: <199803290731.JAA03918@basement.replay.com>



GILC Alert
Volume 2, Issue 4
March 16, 1998

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Welcome to the Global Internet Liberty Campaign Newsletter
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Welcome to GILC Alert, the newsletter of the Global Internet Liberty
Campaign. We are an international organization of groups working for
cyber-liberties, who are determined to preserve civil liberties and
human rights on the Internet.

We hope you find this newsletter interesting, and we very much hope
that you will avail yourselves of the action items in future issues.

If you are a part of an organization that would be interested in
joining GILC, please contact us at gilc at gilc.org. If you are aware of
threats to cyber liberties that we may not know about, please contact
the GILC members in your country, or contact GILC as a whole.
Please feel free to redistribute this newsletter to appropriate
forums.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  [A] FOREMOST NEWS
[A1] GILC to Issue Statement on Internet Content and Conduct
[B] ROUNDUP OF GLOBAL INTERNET ISSUES
[B1] Africa
[B1.1] Sudan's Muslim Sects Want Internet Ban
[B1.2] Ghana Brings Internet to People
[B2] Asia/Oceania
[B2.1] Singapore Requires ISPs to Install Internet Filters
[B2.2] Malaysia Warns Against Technology Without Morality
[B2.3] Hong Kong Labels Candy Site "Objectionable"
[B2.4] Australia Concerned Over US Domain Name Proposals
[B3] Europe
[B3.1] EU Critiques US Over Domain Name "Green Paper"
[B3.2] Russia Considers Amendment to Protect Internet From New "Mass
Media" Law
[B3.3] Kosovo Atrocities Posted to Internet
[B3.4] UK Called on EU Members to Allow Police to "Tap" Encrypted
Messages
[B4] North America
[B4.1] Senate Approves Two Internet Bills
[B4.2] FBI Chief Freeh Warns Against "Uncrackable Encryption"
[B4.3] FBI Rethinks Encryption Position, For Now
[B4.4] New Mexico Censors Internet
[B4.5] 100 Companies Join to Fight Encryption Controls



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS BY GOING TO THE AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL
HUMAN RIGHTS CARAVAN SITE AND JOINING THE THOUSANDS WHO'VE SIGNED THE
DOCUMENT.

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SIGNED BY DIGNATARIES, CELEBRITIES, POLITICIANS AND OTHERS.

REAFFIRM THE WORLD'S DEDICATION TO HUMAN RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES!!!

http://www.rights.amnesty.org/english/signup/index.html
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
 [A] FOREMOST NEWS
[A1] GILC to Issue Statement on Internet Content and Conduct

Preparing for an OECD one day meeting on "International Co-operation
Concerning Content and Conduct on the Internet", 25th March 1998, in
Paris, members of the Global Internet Liberty Campaign will soon issue
"Content and Conduct on the Internet: The Impact of Self-Regulation
and Filtering on Human Rights to Freedom of Expression."  Among other
things, the statement notes: "Global rating or labeling systems
squelch the free flow of information: Efforts to force all Internet
speech to be labeled or rated according to a single classification
system distorts the fundamental cultural diversity of the Internet and
will lead to domination of one set of political or moral viewpoints.
Such systems will either be easy to use and not have enough categories
for all cultures or it will have so many categories to cater for all
cultures that it will be unusable. These systems are antithetical to
the Internet and should be rejected."

A full report on the OECD meeting and GILC�s presentation will appear
in the next Alert.

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[B] ROUNDUP OF GLOBAL INTERNET ISSUES
[B1] Africa
[B1.1] Sudan's Muslim Sects Want Internet Ban

Islamic clerics, in recent calls, have focused their ire on Sudan's
single Internet Service Provider, Sudanet.  Inter Press Service quotes
Mohamed Salih Hassan, a cleric of the influential Ansar Muslim sect,
who sees the Internet as "pollutive" and fears that Sudanese youth are
in jeopardy: "The Muslim people should respect the faith, and not
allow such information to reach their families.  If an uncontrollable
system like the Internet is introduced in society it will be very
difficult for us to preach the Kingdom of Allah."  The battle to ban
the Internet will be difficult, however.  The newspaper interviewed
people already connected to the Internet; one, who used an alias
because he feared repercussions, said: "The Internet is not against
anybody. It is a new information system that feeds the world with
information . . . . The Internet will bring peace to all of us.  It
makes me feel like I am living in a world without borders."
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[B1.2] Ghana Brings Internet to People

While most people in Ghana do not have access to their own computers
(because of the combined problems of illiteracy, poverty and weak
electrical supplies), they will soon have access to the Internet.
Several Internet Service Providers are looking for ways to bring the
Internet to the average Ghanaian, through channels that people are
already familiar with: communication centers that offer secretarial,
word-processing, telephone and fax services.  Inter Press Service
reports "Africa Online will create a domain for each of the
participating communications centers. The center, in turn, will be
free to create E-mail addresses for its customers, who can then send
and receive messages from their address at fixed costs."  ISPs are
also looking to provide access to school children.  Network Computer
Systems, another ISP, has recently offered to provide free Internet
connections for a year to 100 high schools around the country.

Visit the Network Computer Systems homepage: http://www.ghana.com

Visit Africa Online: http://www.africaonline.com
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[B2] Asia/Oceania
[B2.1] Singapore Requires ISPs to Install Internet Filters

Singapore, which already censors the Internet, books and movies will
require its Internet Service Providers to install, at the server
level, software that filters "inappropriate material."  Reuters quoted
Information and Arts Minister George Yeo's address to parliament where
he said that a software package, like Netnanny was "in the interest of
cleaner, more sanitized internet service."  A few days after that
speech, Bill Gates said, during a one-day trip to the country: "I have
no doubt Singapore, given it is a forward-looking country . . . will
avoid doing something that will be a major roadblock."

Read http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980319/singapore__1.html

Read
http://www.wired.com/news/news/email/other/politics/story/10944.html

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[B2.2] Malaysia Warns Against Technology Without Morality

With Internet cafes springing up in suburbs all over Malaysia,
students are beginning to send E-mail, chat in chat rooms, and
eventually view sexually explicit material.  To officials in the
predominantly Moslem country, this presents problems.  The nation's
censors already take pains to keep movies free from "sex scenes" and
magazines bare-breastless. The Associated Press quotes Junid Megat
Ayob, Consumer Affairs Minister, who wants stricter controls on the
Internet because he sees his mission as keeping youth from "poisoning
their minds with filth."  To aid in his mission, Cybercafes must now
post with authorities about US$5,100 to ensure that their computers
remain free from pornography.  If the Cafes allow access to sexually
explicit material, the government would confiscate the money.

Read http://www.wired.com/news/news/politics/story/10712.html

Read
http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19980314/V000800-031498-i
dx.html
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[B2.3] Hong Kong Labels Candy Site "Objectionable"

In another attempt to block "objectionable material" from the
Internet, Hong Kong has censored a Hershey's candy Web site. The
Television and Licensing Authority (TLA) put the "Smarties" candy site
on a list of 1,000 sites which it deemed unfit for children.  CNET
quoted Raymond Yip, of TLA: "We need to investigate the case.  It is
probably a typing error on our part."

Read http://www.news.com/news/item/textonly/0,25,20039,00.html?pfv

The "unfit" Web site is: http://www.smarties.com

Read EPIC's "Faulty Filters" report:
http://www2.epic.org/reports/filter-report.html
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[B2.4] Australia Concerned Over US Domain Name Proposals

The United States has recently proposed a centralized plan to regulate
Internet issues.  Besides changing the way persons register Internet
Domain Names, a US-based corporation would administer the names and
subject any disputes to US law. Fears are that the plan would
"effectively ensure US jurisdiction over trademark issues and dispute
resolution processes," said Senator Richard Alson, the Minister for
Communications, the Information Economy and the Arts, in a press
release. He added: "We need to ensure that the views of Australian
stake holders, and the Australian Government, are fully considered in
decisions to reform the international system."

Read the Press Release: http://www.dca.gov.au/mediarel/98/028.html

Go to Electronic Frontiers Australia for more news on related issues:
http://www.efa.org.au

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[B3] Europe
[B3.1] EU Critiques US Over Domain Name "Green Paper"

The battle against the US Domain Name proposals is also being waged on
European soil.   The European Commission has accused the US of
desiring to keep the international network of computers under domestic
control, and thereby, creating a monopoly.  The European Report
announced that "the EU and its Member States are calling for a
re-balancing of interest and responsibilities in recognition of the
Internet's international character."  They want balanced and fair
participation by the private sector in Internet management. In a
"green paper" published in January, the US suggested that the private
sector begin controlling essential pieces of the system, instead of
the US government.  The "essential pieces" are "generic top-level
domains": for example, ".net," ".org," and ".com."  The Deutsche
Presse-Agentur quotes Professor of Computer Science, Werner Zorn of
the University of Karlsruhe in Germany: "The U.S. government is trying
to prevent foreign dominance on the Internet." Another motive, adds
Zorn, is retaining a lucrative source of income.  Today, US-based
Network Solutions charges $100 per domain name registered.

Read the International Council of Registrars' response to the US
"Green Paper": http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/980323/core_1.html

Read the CATO Institute's "INTERNET DOMAIN NAMES:
Privatization, Competition, and Freedom of Expression":
http://www.cato.org/pubs/briefs/bp-033es.html
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[B3.2] Russia Considers Amendment to Protect Internet From New "Mass
Media" Law

The Moscow Times reported that the Russian Duma has recently proposed
a new law on "mass media that could place a roadblock in the path of
Russia's fledgling web publishers, from individuals with personal home
pages to large corporations blazing the trails of electronic
commerce."  Duma deputy, Y.M. Nesterov, however, suggested an
amendment excluding any mention of "computer information" from the
bill.  Furthermore, the chair of the committee preparing the bill,
displayed some interest in the Internet question.  The Communication
Committee will examine that and other amendments to the "mass media"
bill and draft a second bill for final hearing.  As of yet, nothing
has been announced.

Latest information in Russian:
http://www.cityline.ru/politika/media/media.html
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[B3.3] Kosovo Atrocities Posted to Internet

In the remote parts of Yugoslavia, unreliable links to the outside
world and the tight-lipped state news agency, Tanjug, have made a
journalist's job difficult. But in many situations, the Internet
continues to provide detailed and timely reports.  The Scotsman
reports that Web sites publish, without the "benefit" of censorship,
and post eyewitness accounts and pictures of "men, women, and children
with eyes gouged out, throats cut, and grenade and gunshot wounds."
The Internet accounts guarantee that traditional sources of
information will not dictate the spread of complete and accurate
information; therefore, "there can be no doubt whatsoever of the
veracity of claims made by Albanians in Kosovo."

Visit: http://www.kosova.com

Visit: http://www.albanian.com

Read the GILC Statement on Human Rights and the Internet:
http://www.gilc.org/news/gilc-ep-statement-0198.html
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[B3.4] UK Called on EU Members to Allow Police to "Tap" Encrypted
Messages

Following the GILC statement on encryption, European Voice reported
that officials from the UK desire that, in particular situations,
government officials should be authorized to tap encrypted E-mail
messages sent through the Internet.  Citing concerns with terrorists,
the Mafia, and other criminal organizations, UK officials warned:
"Where an encryption key is used for confidentiality purposes, it may
be necessary for law enforcement agencies to have lawful access . . .
.. either overt[ly] or covert[ly]."  For an opposing view, European
Voice quoted the Business Software Alliance: "Without strong
encryption, businesses and individuals will not entrust their valuable
proprietary information, creative content, and sensitive information
to electronic networks. The result will be that the full potential for
electronic commerce, personal growth and government efficiency and
other benefits of the information society will be delayed or lost
altogether." According to Yaman Akdeniz of Cyber-Rights &
Cyber-Liberties (UK) the current UK policy is still not clear: "We
will have to wait and see the new policy; and I, unfortunately,
believe that it will still be a system which favors key escrow."

Read the GILC Statement on possible UK Cryptography Policy:
http://www.gilc.org/crypto/uk/gilc-dti-statement-298.html

Read BBC News Coverage of the GILC member statement, "UK government
dithers on encryption regulation," Feb.20, 1998.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/special_report/1998/encryption/newsid
_58000/58499.stm

Read GILC's Cryptography and Liberty: An International Survey of
Encryption Policy, February 1998, at
http://www.gilc.org/crypto/crypto-survey.html.

Read Cyber-Rights & Cyber-Liberties (UK), "First Report on UK
Encryption Policy" is available at
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/law/pgs/yaman/ukdtirep.htm.

Read "Scrambling for Safety" Conference Web site is at
http://www.privacy.org/pi/conference/dti/.

Read the Walsh Report, "Review of policy relating to encryption
technologies": http://www.efa.org.au/Issues/Crypto/Walsh/

Read Kryptographie, Cryptography resources in German from FITUG, at
http://www.fitug.de/ulf/krypto/.

Britain has delayed any encryption proposals:
http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19980219S0008

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[B4] North America
[B4.1] Senate Approves Two Internet Bills

The Senate Commerce Committee approved on a voice vote two bills that
restrict speech on the Internet.  The first was Senator John McCain's
(which would limit student access to constitutionally protected speech
in schools and libraries) and the other was Senator Dan Coats's (which
would censor legitimate adult speech).  McCain's bill requires schools
and libraries, which receive federal subsidies for Internet
connections, to install filtering software.  Senator Conrad Burns,
however, offered an amendment that would not require the use of
filtering software, but would require that schools have some kind of
Internet policy which shields students from sexually explicit
material.  Senator Coats's bill would censor commercial distribution
of "harmful material" to people under 17 years of age.  Senator Dan
Wyden, the sole dissenter on the Coats bill, criticized Coats's
attempt as a "one size fits all" model.

Read the ACLU Press Release: http://www.aclu.org/news/n031298b.html

Go to the Internet Free Expression Alliance for more news on the
bills: http://www.ifea.net

Go to the EPIC site for the text of the bills: http://www.epic.org

Read EFF's Press Release:
http://www.eff.org/pub/Censorship/Internet_censorship_bills/1998_bills
/19980312_eff.statement

Go to CDT's site for more information: http://www.cdt.org/speech
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[B4.2] FBI Chief Freeh Warns Against "Uncrackable Encryption"

Before a Senate Appropriations Committee Subcommittee on Commerce,
Justice, State and Judiciary on March 3rd, Louis Freeh, director of
the FBI, argued that online anonymity imperiled FBI criminal
investigations and put children in danger: "We would encourage the
Internet provider industry to maintain subscriber and call
information.  We certainly hope it would be done, even on a voluntary
basis." Freeh added: "Uncrackable encryption allows, and will continue
to allow with increasing regularity, drug lords, terrorists, and even
violent gangs to communicate about their criminal intentions with
impunity."

The ACLU challenged these scare tactics with "Big Brother in the
Wires": http://www.aclu.org/issues/cyber/wiretap_brother.html
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[B4.3] FBI Rethinks Encryption Position, For Now

The FBI has had a long history of arguing against strong encryption.
Nevertheless, on March 17th, a Justice Department official, Robert
Litt, the deputy assistant attorney general of the criminal division,
remarked to a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing on the
constitutional issues raised by government encryption controls: "We
are not looking for any mandatory controls domestically at this time."
The CyberTimes reported that, for now, he/the FBI/the Clinton
administration is "retreating from legislation that would give 'law
enforcers access to encrypted computer data and communications.'"

CyberTimes:
http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/98/03/cyber/articles/18encrypt.htm
l

CNET's article: http://www.news.com/news/item/0,4,20149,00.html

For a full transcript of the congressional testimony:
http://www.computerprivacy.org/archive/03171998-1

Legal scholars respond to Litt:
http://www.computerprivacy.org/archive/03231998-1.shtml

ACLU's "White Paper" on Clinton's encryption policy:
http://www.aclu.org/news/n031798b.html
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[B4.4] New Mexico Censors Internet

The Electronic Frontier Foundation will challenge New Mexico's "Net
Indecency Law."  Earlier this month, Governor Gary Johnson signed a
bill that suffers from the same constitutional defects that caused the
Supreme Court to strike down the Federal Communications Decency Act in
June of 1997.  In a letter to Johnson, Barry Steinhardt, president of
EFF (a GILC founding member) wrote, "the bill is patently
unconstitutional and represents a threat to freedom of expression, not
only in New Mexico, but across the country."
EFF's letter:
http://www.eff.org/pub/State_and_local/NM/Censorship/Internet_censorsh
ip_bills/1998/19980307_eff_sb127.letter

CNET article:
http://www.news.com/news/item/textonly/0,25,19859,00.html?pfv

Reno v. ACLU: http://www.aclu.org/court/renovacludec.html
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[B4.5] 100 Companies Join to Fight Encryption Controls

Americans for Computer Privacy (ACP) has begun an advertisement
campaign urging citizens to stop their politicians from limiting
encryption.  In a press release, ACP stated that it "will implement a
multi-million dollar campaign to demonstrate to members of Congress
and administration officials that a fair encryption policy is not just
a computer issue.  It's a privacy issue.  It's a consumer issue. It's
a medical records issue.  It's a taxpayer protection issue.  It's a
crime deterrent issue.  It's a jobs issue.  It's a competitive issue.
In an open letter, the American Civil Liberties Union, the Electronic
Frontier Foundation and the Electronic Privacy Information Center
said, �(W)e believe that the ACP will be an important ally in the
ongoing effort to protect personal privacy in the digital age," the
letter says, "and we look forward to working together towards a
complete and unrestricted repeal of the current controls on the export
of strong cryptography and to resist any domestic restrictions on the
use of encryption."
The Washington Post article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/Wplate/1998-03/04/0491-030498-idx
..html

ACP can be found at http://www.computerprivacy.org

The American Civil Liberties Union, The Electronic Frontier
Foundation, and the Electronic Privacy and Information Center issued
this joint letter: http://www.aclu.org/news/n030498a.html
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Raafat S. Toss
GILC Organizer Developer
American Civil Liberties Union
125 Broad Street
New York, New York 10004
rtoss at aclu.org
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Links to all information in this alert can be found at
http://www.gilc.org

You are welcome to pass the GILC ALERT to all who may be interested.
And you have permission to re-print GILC ALERT and distribute it.

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From jcaldwel at iquest.net  Sun Mar 29 10:22:13 1998
From: jcaldwel at iquest.net (jcaldwel at iquest.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:22:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fw: Re: Calif. AB2560=A Whiff Of Dictatorship....
In-Reply-To: 
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> > In addition to the AB 23 bill, which will retroactively felonize a very
> > broad class of weapons, here's a new one which will make felons out of
> > anyone who goes shooting with others, anyone who teaches a self-defense
> > class, and (depending on interpretation by the courts) anyone who gives
> > advice here on the Cypherpunks list about weapons, self-defense, and
> > explosives and suchlike devices.

Let me know when it passes, you note I said *when* and I'll offer advise 
direct to californicates attorney general via this list. Seeing as states are 
attempting to persecute non-state-citizens with it's laws it should be 
interesting.

and .45acp beats 9mm





From jcaldwel at iquest.net  Sun Mar 29 10:27:37 1998
From: jcaldwel at iquest.net (jcaldwel at iquest.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:27:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: (Fwd) Slaves
Message-ID: <199803291827.KAA05001@toad.com>


Tim May said

>  It's time to take direct action against the bozos who keep restricting our
> freedoms. I used to be more moderate, favoring more civil measures to rein
> them in. This isn't working. They're pressing in at every level.  They are
> declaring war. 


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Rescinding your social security number is another thing that I would have
said a year ago, "OK, it's an option, but it's a grandstanding option.
It's waving and saying, 'Hey, hey, I'm a troublemaker. Put me on a list.'" But
I am going to be rescinding my social security number formally, writing to the
Social Security Administration and saying, "Nope. Not my number, folks." It may
be a grandstanding gesture, but that number is a slave's number, and I'm
getting rid of it, pure and simple.

Now a lot of people -- a lot of people _here_ -- are doing these things
already. I know people right here in this group who haven't paid taxes in
years. I know people in this group who don't have a driver's license, who
_have_ rescinded their social security numbers, or whatever, and I think
that's great.

In fact Rick White came up with a really good term the other day when we
were talking. He talked about "individual secession" as a means of
combating the government. We were talking about ways of avoiding violence, and
he suggested "individual secession" as a means of accomplishing that. I think
it's great, and I think we all need to do it.

But I also think that the result of quiet secession -- of just quietly
withdrawing your consent, your support, your participation in the system
-- the result of that is something like what happened in the Soviet Union.
Eventually the system collapses, but what's left? You have black markets. We
like black markets, because they're free markets. But they are corrupt markets
that are run by gangsters, eventually. We need free, open markets. We need to
declare freedom and live it publicly, instead of by hiding.

I think individual secession is good, but we need to make noise doing it.
And not polite noise. We libertarians are very polite people, very
well-mannered. We sign our little pledge, and we do the right thing,
because that's the kind of people we are. But we need to make noise. We
need to say, "I'm withdrawing. I'm withdrawing, and here's why, and come
get me."

And that goes against everything I personally believe. One reason you
never heard of Claire Wolfe until six months ago was that although I've
been an activist, I have tried to keep a low profile and tried to be
really quiet, because I didn't want the IRS knocking on my door, or
kicking it down as the case may be. I didn't want the ATF coming in to say
hello at four in the morning. But I don't care any more. I _do_not_ care any
more, and I think we're coming to a confrontation point anyway, and if that's
what happens, so be it.

I think there are a lot of other things that you can all do and probably
all _are_ doing; probably a lot of you are ahead of me. That's why I like
coming down to Arizona; I learn from what people in Arizona are doing. But
certainly, withdraw to the extent that you can from the banking system.

Set your political priorities -- don't waste your time on things that
aren't working. Like for me, I was always always sitting down writing
stupid letters to my congressperson, as if my congressperson cared. I felt like
I was doing something. But one of the things I've learned since those days is
to do is prioritize. And that means don't even bother any more. Don't even talk
to them any more.

I think everybody should be studying warfare, in one way or another.
Whether that's the personal warfare of going up to Gunsite and learning
how to shoot in combat situations or whether that's studying _The Art of
War_, reading books by Mao, or Che Guevara, or Sun-Tzu. I think we all
need to be doing that, even if we don't want the confrontation. None of us
_want_ the confrontation, but I think we'd better be prepared for it in those
ways.

I think we should all be getting out of government jobs -- with one
exception. With one exception, and this is something I've just been
thinking about. I've decided that over the last thirty years some
_wonderful_ libertarian has been running the IRS' computer system. And I
say, "Thank you out there, whoever you are, and keep it up! Good job!" So
anybody who's in a position to do unto the ATF or unto the EPA what has
been done to the IRS, definitely go for it.

One of the things that we can do, whether we're looking for confrontation
or not, is to establish some virtual communities. And here's where Michael Voth
comes in. Michael of the Coconino libertarians, and Kevin Burt of the Laramie
County libertarians of Cheyenne Wyoming, cooked up this notion of "cousin
counties".

You know how we have "sister cities" all around the world? Well, we now
have a "cousin countyship" between Laramie and Coconino libertarians. We
don't exactly know what we're going to do with it yet, but we have our own
"virtual community", and it is somewhat of an act of...well I don't think we
care enough to _defy_ the national hierarchy, but we're going to make
connections despite the hierarchy.

Some day we may need a "safe house" in Coconino; some day they may need a
"safe house" in Laramie County. Some day we may need to be stations on an
underground railroad for getting patriots to safety. We may need to be
stations on a supply line, and we have that connection established. We
have a relationship with each other already, and we'll do what seems
appropriate with it.

That, unfortunately, brings us to the national party, or
higher-up-the-line parties. I think -- and this is just a personal
viewpoint -- that the best thing that the state party could be, or the
best thing that the national party could be for individual libertarians is a
support group to help us establish networks with each other; to help us keep
connections with each other; to help us learn from each other; what works and
what doesn't work; what did they try over in Alabama that might work in Nevada,
or that was a disaster and might not work anywhere?

Your state organization is great for that, I think, to the extent that I
know it. Unfortunately you're one of the few that is. And unfortunately,
of course, we have National. The national party. The commissariat of
Washington, D.C.

What is the national party? It is a top-down fund-raising organization
that is into telling us what we should do, not learning from us and
helping to spread it around.

And certainly some of the things that we should _not_ do, according to
National...we should not have people like L. Neil Smith at our gatherings. He
has been declared "unfit" by the national party. And I hope you all recognize
that. [Applause for Smith, who was sitting in the audience.]

Also, a year or so ago, those of us who got the "Libertarian Volunteer"
got an issue that listed the "twelve most terrible things" that have ever
been done at local party meetings. One of them was to discuss "Should
There Be A Libertarian Party?" I mean, that's shocking. How _dare_ we talk
about such a thing?

So here we are at a time when we need individualism, autonomy, quick
action and networking, being saddled with this sort of dinosaur with the
little pea-brain up here in Washington, DC, trying to communicate down to
us, thinking we're its tail or something. Yhey are so busy trying to be
like the other folks in Washington, D.C. that they are very quickly
forgetting that they _are_ libertarians.

But I'm sure they're quite good at fund-raising; I've hear wonderful tales
about their fund-raising. In fact, something quite interesting that I heard the
other day indirectly from Neil: Harry Browne is criticizing _me_ as one of the
people who was damning him for his fund-raising and odd campaign spending
practices. Well, I never did. I would have. I would have been happy to, because
of what I have heard from Vin Suprynowicz and Neil Smith and other people. But
it didn't happen.

So, National is giving us enemies lists and fund-raising corruption, among
other pleasures of politics. Heck, they're headquartered in the Watergate,
after all! What are we going to do with these people? They think that success
is raising a lot of money whether it goes to any good cause or not. They think
that success is being invited to the cocktail parties with the Democrats and
the Republicans. They think that success is having libertarianism favorably
mentioned in the Washington Post.
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OK, if I were favorably mentioned in the Washington Post, I would do
everything I could to change my ways! Wouldn't you? Who wants to be
favorably mentioned by people who think that every bit of dissent is
_hate_speech_? Who think that anyone who is not a Republican or a Democrat or
in the mainstream is some sort of crazy? No. No thank you. Hunh-unh. No thanks.

We try very hard to be acceptable. The national party is trying to be
acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that. It's human. I mean we want to
be accepted from the moment we're born. But the question is, to whom do we want
to be acceptable?

I don't want to be acceptable to the same people that the national party
wants to be acceptable to. I want to be acceptable to you guys. And I want you
to be acceptable to me, because we are going to need each other some day. I
want to be with you when we prepare.

I don't care whether you're preparing even for the same eventuality that
I'm preparing for. I don't care if you're a pacifist. There is room for
many differences. But we've got a role to play, and it's we, not national, who
are going to play that role.

Something is going to happen. I wish I could tell you what it was. I've
been talking to people and everybody's going through the same thing --
"Well, I think it might be this", "I think it might be that", "I think it
might be the other" -- we don't know. But it's coming. Whether it breaks
with the suddenness of an earthquake, or whether it comes like a storm
that you can see rolling toward you for hours, it _is_ coming.

And the big question for all of us, when this hits, is, "Do I want to be
polite and acceptable or _do_I_want_to_be_FREE?"

Free, of course! I mean, it's easy, right? It's easy! So let's do it! I
have absolute confidence you guys are going to be _able_ to do it. And
when it all comes down, I want to be here, if not physically in Arizona, I want
to be in your virtual community.

So thank you for your guts. And thank you for having me here. And thank
you for being brave enough to talk about things that National doesn't want you
to talk about, and to do things that National doesn't want you to do. My
congratulations and gratitude to all of you.

*****

NOTE on the health care database: I have since been fiercely corrected on
this point. I may have been overstating the present danger of such a
database, though I believe the danger remains grave for the near future.
The health care bill (available from the Library of Congress' Thomas web
site as HR 3101 or Public Law 104-191) establishes a federal database for
reporting medical fraud and abuse. I don't believe this is the problem,
however it was part of the confusion. Later, in Sections 1171-1175, the
bill outlines a plan for the Secretary of Health and Human Services to set
standards for the electronic transmission of all health care data. These
"standards" do not constitute a database, and I thank the critic who corrected
me on that issue. However, the secretary is directed to set one standard _by
which all medical data will be electronically communicated_. The standard must
include a "unique identifier" for every individual whose medical information is
ever transmitted (Sec. 1173). In doing that, Congress is clearly allowing the
Clinton administration to create a de facto single, nationwide system to which
federal (and other) bureaucrats will have easy access, almost certainly via our
social security numbers. If this does not rapidly become the feared federal
database, it will nevertheless allow the government, researchers and others to
run rampant through the various private or state databases that will use the
federally defined standard. I regret any confusion. But I urge you to keep your
eyes open and your heads up...not that it will do you much good when
bureaucrats are secretly slurping your medical data -- law or no law -- into
their computers.

(c)Claire Wolfe 1997


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America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work
within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.

-- Claire Wolfe, "101 Things To Do 1Til the Revolution"

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/1797/essay.htm

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SPEECH BEFORE THE ARIZONA LIBERTARIAN PARTY CONVENTION April 19, 1997

by Claire Wolfe

In November, 1995, I sat down and wrote the words, "America is at that
awkward stage; it's too late to work within the system, but too early to
shoot the bastards." That's a line a lot of you have become familiar with, and
to the extent that other people have also become familiar with it, it has a lot
to do with Arizona libertarians pushing that message.

Well, I wrote that a year and a half ago, the book was published about six
months ago, and now here we are, April 19, 1997. Is it time to "shoot the
bastards" yet? This is a question a lot of us have been pondering.

We signed our oath, most of us, we signed our pledge not to initiate
violence. We're the good guys. We know that. But I have heard so many
people -- good, responsible, ordinary people -- talking about whether we
might be reaching the time that we should "shoot the bastards".

I think one of the best comments on this came from Vin Suprynowicz, who
interviewed me when the book was published. Actually, of all the things
said in the interview Vin made the best comment; he said that we have
reached the time when it is _morally_ right to "shoot the bastards", but
it is not yet _practical_ to do so.

I do believe that a fight is inevitable, whether that's a fight in the
streets or the trenches, or whether that is some sort of confrontation
that may not involve arms but may nevertheless involve violence and
head-to-head action. I think that's inevitable, and I think more and more
people are coming to the conclusion that it is.

April 19th, as you all know, is a day in history when many people _have_
taken up arms, when they have been _forced_ to take up arms. Peaceable
people in Lexington and Concord, desperate people in the Warsaw ghetto.
Even when they had no hope, or little hope, they took up arms. But here we
stand, and although a lot of us have arms with us, or not far from us, we're
not ready to "take up arms" yet.

But I hope we're preparing ourselves. I hope we're at least thinking about it.

In the last year and a half, since I originally wrote those frustrated,
angry words, things have gotten a hell of a lot worse. And it's almost
scary how little the disaster that we're in the middle of has been
acknowledged.

For instance, just four -- I don't want to call them laws or acts of
legislation -- four abominations that Congress has come up with in the
time since I originally wrote those words. We've got a federal database of all
employed people, or, that is, all people who get conventional jobs. That's been
done in the name of "tracking deadbeat dads". However, you might be a single
mother with five kids you're taking good care of; you might be a single guy who
never intends to get married. You're going in that database. Why? What does
that have to do with "deadbeat dads"? I don't know. I can't figure it out.

Along those same lines, we now have pilot projects being started, under
which you cannot get a job unless your employer first gets permission from the
Social Security Administration by scanning your card through a reader connected
to a database in Washington, DC. Isn't that cute? Some Social Security
bureaucrat decides whether or not you can ever get a job in this country.

We've also got a medical health care database that will be on line in
about a year. This was part of the "moderate" Kennedy-Kassebaum health
care act -- you'll be pleased to know that this is "moderate". Everything
about your medical history will go into this database, including
speculation on the part of your doctor, who may observe that you're an
"armed and dangerous wacko". He's not going to tell you that, but it goes
in your records and goes in the database. (NOTE: Please see comment at 
the
end of this transcript.)

The fourth one that is really for me the "line in the sand" issue is the
national ID card that we have just begun to hear about in the last couple
of months. Has everybody heard something about that? Well, for the few who
haven't I'll just review quickly.

At the end of the 104th Congress there were about two paragraphs added
into several hundred pages of legislation that requires that by October,
2000, all states will be issuing driver's licenses that you must have your
Social Security card to get one, and they will have certain "security
features". These are not defined in the law, but they may include: retinal
scans; fingerprint scans; other data on your driving history, health history,
criminal history, so on. (NOTE: The U.S. Secretary of Transportation is
currently in the process of writing the regulation on this.)

And by October 2006, you will not be able to get _any_ government service
at _any_ level without having one of these driver's licenses. You will not be
able to get a passport. If your local utility company is the government you
will not be able to get water to your house, or electricity to your house, and
so on. My Christian friends, of course, are calling this the "Mark of the
Beast", and I don't think they're wrong. I think they're right.

So those four things, among many, many others, have all been snuck in on
us lately. But the reason I pick these four is something that a friend
pointed out to me. This friend says, "These four are slave laws." Many
other laws that have been imposed upon us recently are bad laws, but
_these_are_slave_laws_. They all enable the federal government to track
its property -- you, and you, and you, and me -- its property.

They can monitor our health just the way that farmers monitor the health
of their cattle. If they don't think we're being properly productive they
can deny us the jobs, or they can make sure that we're in a job that they
like.

It's here, now, that we have to stop this. I hope we can stop it without
violence, but we do HAVE to stop it.

What I'd like to focus on today are some things that I think we as
individuals can do, and some of the things that I think that libertarian
party organizations can, or perhaps should, do to prepare for the hard
times that are going to come when the day arises that we say, "No! It
stops here! It stops now!"

I wish for just this little moment that we were all a bunch of Marxists,
or Democrats, or something, because then I could say, "Comrades! You
_must_ do this! Comrades! You _shall_ do that!" But we're libertarians,
and it's only, "Hey! You'll do what you want to do; I'll do what I want to do.
You'll do what fits your personality; I'll do what fits my personality." And
that is the way it has to be. That's our strength and our weakness.

But there are a couple of things that I would say that I think everybody
here, and everybody who professes to be a libertarian _should_do_. One is
to get the income tax out of your own life, however you have to do it. Get it
out!

In every other presentation I've ever given before I've said, "Oh I
understand that if you have a regular job, or if you have children, or if
you have a lot of nice possessions it's riskier for you to do it. But I'm
coming to the point where, I'm sorry, we can't feed the beast. We've got
to stop feeding it. That's all there is to it. All of our great
professions of principle in the world are nothing if we don't stop paying
the ATF, paying the FBI, paying the IRS.

The other thing that I hope everyone will do is resist this national ID in some
way or another. Refuse to get the driver's license, drive without it, whatever
you have to do. Refuse to give the information, protest, scream, rescind your
social security number, whatever.
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From paulmerrill at acm.org  Sun Mar 29 13:47:20 1998
From: paulmerrill at acm.org (Paul H. Merrill)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 13:47:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fw: Re: Calif. AB2560=A Whiff Of Dictatorship....
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jcaldwel at iquest.net wrote:
> 
> > > In addition to the AB 23 bill, which will retroactively felonize a very
> > > broad class of weapons, here's a new one which will make felons out of
> > > anyone who goes shooting with others, anyone who teaches a self-defense
> > > class, and (depending on interpretation by the courts) anyone who gives
> > > advice here on the Cypherpunks list about weapons, self-defense, and
> > > explosives and suchlike devices.
> 
> Let me know when it passes, you note I said *when* and I'll offer advise
> direct to californicates attorney general via this list. Seeing as states are
> attempting to persecute non-state-citizens with it's laws it should be
> interesting.

It was when they started doing it years ago (on porn sites) but now it
is an established practice.

> 
> and .45acp beats 9mm
 But I prefer 12 ga
PHM





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From billp at nmol.com  Sun Mar 29 18:38:15 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:38:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: spread spectrum  radio communications
Message-ID: <351F0486.12AC@nmol.com>


Sunday 3/29/98 6:59 PM

John Gilmore
John Young
J Orlin Grabbe

Waiting for Patty to check out at the Albertson�s today
I looked at Scientific American, April 1998.

Scientific American has GREAT ARTICLE on spread
spectrum radio communications.

Hopefully messages about NSA crypto algorithms we
tried to bring out in my SAND report are

  1 shift register based
  2 parallel in nature

The stuff Grabbe wrote at 

  http://www.aci.net/kalliste/cryptnum.htm

and

  http://www.aci.net/kalliste/stefbrdc.htm

is great.

But THIS IS NOT WHAT NSA USES FOR THE REAL
STUFF.

In fact, when NSA/Sandia tried to use the chips described
in 

  [5] Whitfield Diffie, "The First Ten Years of Public Key          
Cryptography," Proceedings of the IEEE, 76(5), May 1988.

they met with a financial disaster.  $300k to recalled EACH nuke
to remove the chips, I was told by Jerry Allen.

  http://www.aci.net/kalliste/nukearse.htm

Real world engineering considerations requires simplicity.
Reliability in the field.

NSA�s Brian Snow told us the problems of fielded algorithms
implementations.

Now that 

  NSA's Trojan Whore?

is published at 

  http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html

perhaps few will trust putting their confidential information 
into chips or machines manfactured by others.

Cylink is BIG into spread spectrum communications.

And, John Gilmore, I think you are right about there being some
real business opportunities in this area.

Madsen's article may cause others to leave this business.

Later
bill







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From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:04:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Design of LOKI97
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From ichudov at algebra.com  Mon Mar 30 05:16:29 1998
From: ichudov at algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:16:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Someone IS falling for these scams!
Message-ID: <199803301313.HAA13146@manifold.algebra.com>


Web Investment Con Artists Prove
              Elusive, Insufferable to Regulators

              By RIVKA TADJER 
              Special to THE WALL STREET JOURNAL INTERACTIVE EDITION

              When it comes to con artists who target individual investors,
              none are proving to be more elusive -- or more infuriating
              -- to federal regulators than Internet scammers.

              The explosion of Internet investment fraud has prompted
              the Federal Trade Commission, in cooperation with the
              Securities and Exchange Commission, the Department of
              Justice, and Federal Bureau of Investigation, to coordinate
              elaborate surveillance tactics to combat these on-line con
              artists, says Paul Luehr, attorney and chairman of the FTC
              Internet Coordinating committee, which oversees law
              enforcement.

              Although many investors are becoming more savvy about
              dubious investment claims posted on the Web, fraud still
              abounds. Investors who use the Internet for research and
              discussion need a healthy dose of skepticism when visiting
              any investment Web site.

              Barry White, a 40-year-old CPA in Charlotte, N.C., and,
              ironically, now a fraud examiner, says he learned this lesson
              the hard way. Last year, he became the victim of what the
              FTC called "an elaborate, electronic version of a chain
              letter" called Fortuna Alliance. But he thought his
              nightmare was finally over when the FTC in the spring of
              1997 nabbed the operators of Fortuna Alliance and shut
              down its Web site.

              Customers of Fortuna Alliance, the Bellingham, Wash.,
              company charged with conducting the operation, were told
              that if they "invested" between $250 and $1,750 a month,
              they could get back $5,250 monthly. Fortuna Alliance took
              in at least $5 million from people like Mr. White, according
              to the FTC.

              Mr. White had been optimistic that with the FTC on the
              case, he might actually get back some of the $5,000 he sunk
              into Fortuna Alliance's pyramid scheme. But now he's
              losing hope. And he has discovered that the operators of the
              on-line scam are back in business.

              The principals of Fortuna are now living offshore in Antigua
              and have set up a new Web site (www.fa2.com), says Susan
              Grant, director of the National Consumers League Internet
              Fraud Watch in Washington, whose mission is to use
              collective consumer opinion to influence business practices.
              The Fortuna site's operators are so brazen that they haven't
              even bothered to change the name, she says. Fortuna
              officials would not return phone calls.

                             "One thing is true about Web
                             scammers -- they are so arrogant.
                             Fortuna just put up a new Web site
                             recently and went back in business,"
                             she says, lamenting that "there will
                             always be plenty of people who don't
                             check with us or the FTC to see
                             whether there are law suits against an
                             investment site."

                             "I think it's pretty poor that the FTC
                             can't get them," says Mr. White, who
                             says he testified before a Senate
                             committee hearing on the matter of
                             Internet fraud last month "more for
                             community service at this point than
                             to actually get my money back. I don't
                             want other people to get screwed."

                             Indeed, law enforcement in
              cyberspace may be one of the toughest challenges
              government agencies face. "We're out there and making
              headway, but a global community where scams can pop up
              today and disappear tomorrow is a big job," says Mr. Luehr.

              The Fortuna Alliance Web site is a classic example. It's
              cheap to set up a new Web site under a slightly different
              name, and since there is no legal recourse for Internet
              service providers to judge what sort of sites they are hosting,
              the Fortuna principals could theoretically continue to
              operate indefinitely.

              One of the most frustrating problems for regulators is that
              individual investors often overlook important warning
              signals that are universal in scam Web sites. Mr. White, the
              investor, says he wasn't uncomfortable at all with sending
              his money order for $5,000 to Fortuna Alliance, even
              though he'd never once spoken to a Fortuna official about
              the details.

              "There were very detailed on-line documents that promised
              a 90-day money-back guarantee," he said. "They said they
              were launching a huge ad campaign ... and my return on
              investment would be quick."

              Two months later, Mr. White quite unexpectedly discovered
              he'd been scammed. "I just happened to put in the keyword
              'fraud' on one of the [Internet] search engines ... and news
              that the FTC had just shut them down popped up."

              Looking back, Mr. White says, he should have been tipped
              off that it was an Internet scam by one red flag: After many
              attempts he was never able to get a Fortuna representative
              on the phone after he made his initial investment.

              The good news for consumers, however, is that conducting
              due diligence on investment sites is extremely easy using the
              Internet. The National Consumers League, and the FTC,
              SEC, and FBI Web sites all have fraud watch updates that
              allow consumers to e-mail questions and file complaints
              on-line. This kind of interaction is crucial, experts say, to
              detecting Web fraud. "We follow leads and need as many tips
              ads we can get," says Mr. Luehr.

              The bad news, however, is that on-line cons can go
              undetected for years and new mutations of old cons that take
              advantage of the Internet technology are popping up all the
              time.

              "One way we see the investment scams mutating is the
              combination of loan fraud and pyramid schemes," says the
              National Consumers League's Ms. Grant. "The con artists
              make use of spam to get investors."

              She cites a recent Las Vegas pyramid scheme that promised
              a $59,000 loan for those who mail in $20. It works like this:
              An e-mail arrives offering a chance to apply for a loan that
              you'll never have to pay back. All you have to do is mail in a
              $20 "processing fee."

              Mr. Luehr of the FTC says investors who have already fallen
              for one on-line scam should be especially cautious. "These
              scammers sell lists of names -- like any marketers -- and
              the ones that have already been suckered are considered
              prime targets," Mr. Luehr says.

              Mr. White will vouch for that. "I get phone calls all the time
              now for new 'get-rich' investment opportunities," he says.
              He says other red flags for investment fraud are sites that
              demand money upfront, and those touting "money-making
              opportunities" that promise a quick return with minimal
              risk. Ms. Grant agrees these are the two top signs of an
              investment scam.

              But it is not always so simple. Con artists understand all too
              well the appeal of high-tech investments to investors
              world-wide as scammers capitalize on investors' desire to be
              in on the ground floor of the next Netscape. So many are
              turning to cloaking pyramid schemes in high-tech language,
              Mr. Luehr says.

              "FutureNet was a perfect example," he says. "They used
              buzzwords like WebTV to lure investors and give the
              products a legitimate-sounding air." Similar sounding
              technology names add to the confusion. For example, the
              name "WebTV" is so familiar to the average consumer that
              many fraud schemes involve giving products or companies
              names such as NetTV.

              "This is such a problem we have set up 'Operation Net Opp',
              which is a surveillance task force to watch out for precisely
              this sort of high-tech fraud," says Mr. Luehr.

	- Igor.





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From: PDNJMD at aol.com (PDNJMD)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:37:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: hi im Sandra
Message-ID: 

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To: PDNJMD at aol.com
Subject: hi im Sandra
From: PDNJMD 
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:27:00 EST
Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)

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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 05:59:30 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:59:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14572199701135@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 05:59:31 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:59:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14572170601133@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 05:59:33 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:59:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14572419001140@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 05:59:35 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:59:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14572418001139@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 06:01:06 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:01:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14571817101129@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 06:01:08 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:01:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14571827101130@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 06:01:08 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:01:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14572199701134@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 06:01:09 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:01:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14572630301143@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 06:01:11 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:01:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14572628301142@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 06:01:13 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:01:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14571917201132@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 06:01:13 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:01:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14572416001138@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 06:02:48 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:02:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14572221701137@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From Guess at mail.sochi.ru  Mon Mar 30 06:02:53 1998
From: Guess at mail.sochi.ru (Guess at mail.sochi.ru)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:02:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <14572602201141@mail.sochi.ru>


Hey you  ;-((

Eat this messages  until  you die fucker



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From darl0006 at tc.umn.edu  Mon Mar 30 06:24:14 1998
From: darl0006 at tc.umn.edu (Matthew T Darling)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:24:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
In-Reply-To: <14572199701136@mail.sochi.ru>
Message-ID: 


Kill this message... this guy's really pissing me off!






From whgiii at invweb.net  Mon Mar 30 06:29:10 1998
From: whgiii at invweb.net (William H. Geiger III)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:29:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
In-Reply-To: <14572418001139@mail.sochi.ru>
Message-ID: <199803301429.JAA12743@users.invweb.net>

In <14572418001139 at mail.sochi.ru>, on 03/30/98 
   at 05:57 PM, Guess at mail.sochi.ru said:

>Hey you  ;-((


 Parents really need to keep their children away from the keyboard.

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From roberts at traderonline.com  Mon Mar 30 06:57:31 1998
From: roberts at traderonline.com (Bob Roberts)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:57:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: satan
Message-ID: <351FB484.D6A1D86C@traderonline.com>


has anyone got this compiled on redhat 5.0?






From StanSquncr at aol.com  Mon Mar 30 08:09:14 1998
From: StanSquncr at aol.com (StanSquncr)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:09:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Lamers- mudt die
Message-ID: <5641f5e2.351fc37a@aol.com>


In a message dated 98-03-30 09:38:22 EST, whgiii at invweb.net writes:

<< In <14572418001139 at mail.sochi.ru>, on 03/30/98 
    at 05:57 PM, Guess at mail.sochi.ru said:
 
 >Hey you  ;-((
 
 
  Parents really need to keep their children away from the keyboard. >>

 William, I think that WAS the parent!  Children really need to keep
their parents away from the keyboard.

Stan





From jer+ at andrew.cmu.edu  Mon Mar 30 09:43:58 1998
From: jer+ at andrew.cmu.edu (Jeremiah Blatz)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:43:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Deniable Cryptography [was winnowing, chaffing etc]
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <0p7xTq200YUg0CkXw0@andrew.cmu.edu>


mgraffam at mhv.net writes:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> 
> On 28 Mar 1998, Julian Assange wrote:
> > Rubber-hose-squad: We will never be able to show that Alice has
> >                  revealed the last of her keys. Further, even if
> >                  Alice has co-operated fully and has revealed all of
> >                  her keys, she will not be able to prove it.
> >                  Therefor, we must assume that at every stage that
> >                  Alice has kept secret information from us, and
> >                  continue to beat her, even though she may have
> >                  revealed the last of her keys. But the whole time
> >                  we will feel uneasy about this because Alice may
> >                  have co-operated fully.
> 
> I've never really fully understood this assumption. It seems to me
> that any person or group that would beat a person isn't going to
> care much if Alice cooperated or not. 
> 
> All things considered, a group with enough power to grab Alice and
> beat her probably has ways to escape punishment from the law, or
> doesn't care about the law in the first place. 
> 
> In this case, I figure that their best option is to beat Alice everyday
> forever or until she dies. Whichever comes first.

"Rubber hose" cryptanalysis needn't involve actual beatings in secret
underground cells. Simple example: Cops raid your house, rough you up
a little bit (not much) and toss your ass in a cell with "real '
criminals. 12 hours later they take you into a room and play good
cop/bad cop with you. Maybe you're not sure you could stand up to
this, and might panic and reveal more than you have to (remember, you
haven't been charged with a crime yet). However, if you do hold out,
the chances that you'll be let go, and get your stuff back in a few
years, are pretty high. In this case, being able to spill a key that
revelas harmless stuff is good, since the police are unlekely to hold
you for a long time.

"Dissapearing" is the regressive case, and there's not a whole lot you
can do in regressive cases. If someone really wants to defect, they
will.

Jer

"standing on top of the world/ never knew how you never could/ never knew
 why you never could live/ innocent life that everyone did" -Wormhole





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From zimerman at earthling.net  Mon Mar 30 11:09:13 1998
From: zimerman at earthling.net (Nimrod Zimerman)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:09:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Deniable Cryptography [was winnowing, chaffing etc]
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <19980330220847.28943@hexagon>


On Sat, Mar 28, 1998 at 05:53:36PM -0500, mgraffam at mhv.net wrote:

> I've never really fully understood this assumption. It seems to me
> that any person or group that would beat a person isn't going to
> care much if Alice cooperated or not. 
> 
> All things considered, a group with enough power to grab Alice and
> beat her probably has ways to escape punishment from the law, or
> doesn't care about the law in the first place. 

Generally speaking, you bind attackers with constants (or else, most of the
cryptography we are using is pretty much useless). Why won't you bind
physical attackers with constants just as well?

The longer you are kept alive, the higher the chance you'll be released, be
it because your attackers run out of resources, suddenly feel guilty, find
out the information some other way or being caught by law enforcement (or
your friendly rebel group).
If your attackers can prove they've gotten all they need from you during the
first week, you might be killed or released (this might be a political
issue, at times. Prisoners of war will generally be kept alive, for various
purposes, such as gaining some more when an agreement is signed).
If they can't, they are bound to beat you, or try various other methods -
but they won't kill you right away. This is a good thing, for most people
(others might wish to end the torture, even by being killed, but they can't
do that. Tough luck).

True, if you are kidnaped by a very large organization, like a country, you
don't stand a chance - you will either give up your secrets, and/or die 
(history generally tells us that people can't stand torture. The exceptions
are remarkable, and probably indicate a certain level of mental illness,
before or after the act ). Smaller organizations are bound by constants
that might eventually be in your benefit.

> down and gave them her most important secrets. Even if she can't prove
> it.. so what? The rubber-hose group isn't exactly the boy scouts. They
> beat her the next day too, this time a little harder.

Excluding external influences, if the group isn't presenting any rewards,
every logical system against them is quite useless. It doesn't matter whether
you tell the secret or avoid telling it - it makes no difference. A function
with no parameters, and hence a constant outcome.

That's why I consider dynamic secret sharing a better approach.
Make certain the attackers need to catch a group of people in order
to gain the secret, and change the partial secrets every short period of time.
This isn't always practical, of course.

> So, the only way for Alice to win is to do the impossible (because this
> is reality, not TV) and that is to grab the rubber hose and beat them
> with it.

(Alice can always fascinate her attackers with a new and exciting
cryptosystem, and while they are busy studying it, sneak behind and hit
them on the heads with a selected cryptography oriented book).

                                                   Nimrod





From phundie at mhv.net  Mon Mar 30 11:55:05 1998
From: phundie at mhv.net (Michael Graffam)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:55:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Deniable Cryptography [was winnowing, chaffing etc]
In-Reply-To: <0p7xTq200YUg0CkXw0@andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: 


On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Jeremiah Blatz wrote:
> "Rubber hose" cryptanalysis needn't involve actual beatings in secret
> underground cells. Simple example: Cops raid your house, rough you up
> a little bit (not much) and toss your ass in a cell with "real '
> criminals. 12 hours later they take you into a room and play good
> cop/bad cop with you. Maybe you're not sure you could stand up to
> this, and might panic and reveal more than you have to (remember, you
> haven't been charged with a crime yet). However, if you do hold out,
> the chances that you'll be let go, and get your stuff back in a few
> years, are pretty high. In this case, being able to spill a key that
> revelas harmless stuff is good, since the police are unlekely to hold
> you for a long time.

Absolutably. I understand that deniabled crypto will help against
a civilized enemy, but it is not an answer for the worst case scenario.

I maintain that algorithms aren't what we really need for this type
of key management. It is nice to be able to give up less important
keys as a matter of convienence, but as long as the user can get
the data so can an attacker.

If we have a physical system that gets key information from the user
through biological feedback that takes stress conditions, blood
pressure, etc into account then if any of these signs are out of the
norm the device can generate bad key information as a result of
this. This insures that the user will not be able to get the information
if he is being physically manipulated. This also has use in areas where we
dont want the user to be authenticated when he is in an odd
state of mind, such as when dealing with weapons systems.

I dont think that biofeedback technology is at the point to make this
usable yet, but I hope that advances are made quickly. The firearms
maker Colt has explored authentication devices for their weapons,
but I dont know the details.

Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net)
http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc
"..subordination of one sex to the other is wrong in itself, and now
one of the chief hindrances to human improvement.." John Stuart Mill
"The Subjection of Women"






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From phundie at mhv.net  Mon Mar 30 13:38:31 1998
From: phundie at mhv.net (Michael Graffam)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:38:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Deniable Cryptography [was winnowing, chaffing etc]
In-Reply-To: <19980330220847.28943@hexagon>
Message-ID: 


On Mon, 30 Mar 1998, Nimrod Zimerman wrote:
> Generally speaking, you bind attackers with constants (or else, most of the
> cryptography we are using is pretty much useless). Why won't you bind
> physical attackers with constants just as well?

True, we impose limits on our hypothetical attackers. Eve can listen, but
not modify.. but we assume Mallory has the ability to do both. 
Systems that are safe against Eve are exploitable by Mallory. I see
no reason why we can not also assume more powerful physical attackers.

I do not deny the use of deniable crypto :) .. it is useful against
certain attackers. Certainly it is useful against the majority of
attackers we are likely to encounter, for the dexact reasons that you
site.

However, my point is that just as public key exchange is attackable
by Mallory in some circumstances, deniable crypto is useless against
certain physical attackers.. namely O'Brian and room 101.

This is not to say that public key crypto or deniable crypto is useless.

> True, if you are kidnaped by a very large organization, like a country, you
> don't stand a chance - you will either give up your secrets, and/or die 
> (history generally tells us that people can't stand torture. The exceptions
> are remarkable, and probably indicate a certain level of mental illness,
> before or after the act ). Smaller organizations are bound by constants
> that might eventually be in your benefit.

This is exactly my point. For the average guy in America, deniable crypto
is probably irrelevent (unless he happens to be an average criminal too).
But in a state where the law is wrong (we never heard of anything like
that,  have we?) there is probably a use.

> That's why I consider dynamic secret sharing a better approach.
> Make certain the attackers need to catch a group of people in order
> to gain the secret, and change the partial secrets every short period of time.
> This isn't always practical, of course.

Yeah, I agree. For some secrets it might be the best approach, say for
the codes to launch a nuclear weapon.. but for others it probably does
not work.

> (Alice can always fascinate her attackers with a new and exciting
> cryptosystem, and while they are busy studying it, sneak behind and hit
> them on the heads with a selected cryptography oriented book).
> 
>                                                    Nimrod

Hehe.. :) I like that.

Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net)
http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc
"Act only according to that maxim by which you can at the same time will that
it should become a universal law.." - Immanuel Kant "Metaphysics of Morals"






From die at die.com  Mon Mar 30 14:04:08 1998
From: die at die.com (Dave Emery)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:04:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rivest's Wheat & Chaff - A crypto alternative
In-Reply-To: <199803272236.OAA21103@joseph.cs.berkeley.edu>
Message-ID: <19980330170507.11896@die.com>


	There are two bills before Congress.  One (HR2369) concerns 
radio signal privacy and restrictions on scanners and receiving
radio signals without authority, the other (HR2460 and S493) concerns
use of scanners to capture ESNs for the purposes of cloning cellphones.
Both passed the House, and the anti-cloning bill also passed the Senate.


On Mon, Mar 30, 1998 at 09:36:55AM -0800, David Wagner wrote:

> 
> A bill banning mere ownership (and modification, sale, and so on; no need
> for prosecutors to show any ill intent) of cellular capable scanners has
> passed the House by a vote of 414-1.  A very similar version also passed the
> Senate easily, and the two are being reconciled.  There's no opposition;
> this is fasttrack noncontroversial stuff, on the Hill.  I'm told the bill is
> as good as signed.
> 

	That is not my information.   HR2369 (the Tauzin bill)  does not
ban mere possession of cell capable scanners.  It bans manufacture,
assembly, sale, import, export, or distribution of *any* radio equipment
(not just cellphone capable scanners) "intended" for the unauthorized
receipt, interception, or divulgance of communications in violation of
the amended section 605 (which bans interception or divulgance rather
than the previous *and* divulgance).  This very clearly does not ban
possession, and also very clearly speaks to intent.   What this
draconian language means with respect to a wide band radio receiver such
as a scanner that can tune in certain signals it is not legal to listen
to is not clear at the moment, as it turns on what "intended" means. 
Penalties for violation of this are 5 years in jail and $500,000 fine
per sale... (the law was basicly expanded from one forbidding the sale
of satellite TV piracy gear - and similar language has been the law
since 1988, but less clear).

	According to Thomas and my other sources, HR2369 is still in the
Senate Commerce Committee and has not been marked up - apparently Sen
Hollings of SC has put a hold on it for further study.

	 There is a bill (S493) which establishes 15 years in prison for
"knowingly and with *intent to defraud* uses, produces, traffics in, has
control or custody of, or possess" a scanning receiver "to intercept an
electronic serial number, mobile identification number or other
identifier of any telecommunications service, equipment or instrument. 
This later bill clearly concerns ESN theft for purposes of cloning, but
it is broad enough so it conceivably might be applied to possession of
radio receivers capable of capturing any kind of identifying information
for any radio signal - but I think it is probably true that there would
have to be a specific demonstrable intent to defraud demonstrated before
a conviction under this language could happen.  This bill is tough,
however, and does provide for "forfeiture of any personal property used
or intended to be used to commit the offense".

	S493 does make it illegal to merely possess "hardware or
software, knowing it has been configured to insert or modify
telecommunications identifying  information associated with or contained
in a telecommunications instrument so that such instrument may be used
to obtain telecommunications service without authorization".  No
requirement of intent to defraud need be demonstrated here, but there is
an affirmative defense "(which the defendant must establish by a
preponderance of the evidence) that the conduct charged was engaged in
for research or development in connection with a lawful purpose."

	This bill, is one of the first I know of to outlaw mere *possession*
of software.   And they can take seize your computer, your car, and Lord
knows what else if they find the illegal software on your laptop hard drive.
They need not prove you had any intention of using it to clone cellphones,
just that you knew it was configured for illegal ESN alteration and you did
not have it for "research and development in connection with a lawful 
purpose."

	To quote the Committee report on the bill...

    [S493}  amends section 1029 of Title 18 of the United States Code, relating
    to fraud and related activity in connection with access devices. The
    bill amends subsection (a)(8) of section 1029 by deleting the `intent to
    defraud' requirement which exists under current law in order to prove a
    violation of that section. This section relates to persons who knowingly
    use, produce, traffic in, have custody or control of, or possess
    hardware or software which has been configured for altering or modifying
    a telecommunications instrument. As a result of the amendments made by
    the bill, in order to prove a violation of section 1029, law enforcement
    officials will no longer have to prove that a defendant possessing such
    hardware or software did so with the intent to defraud another person. 

    The amendment to the statute is being made because law enforcement
    officials occasionally have been thwarted in proving true violations of
    the statute by the `intent to defraud' requirement. But as the hardware
    and software in question can be used only for the purpose of altering or
    modifying telecommunications instruments, persons other than those
    working in the telecommunications industry have no legitimate reason to
    possess the equipment. Therefore, requiring the government to prove an
    `intent to defraud' in order to prove a violation of the section for
    possessing this equipment is not necessary. By eliminating this
    requirement from existing law this bill will make it easier to obtain
    convictions against criminals who possess this equipment before they
    actually use it for illegal purposes. 


		.............................



    The statute, as amended, also does not prohibit persons from simply
    possessing equipment that only intercepts electronic serial numbers or
    wireless telephone numbers (defined as `scanning receivers' under
    section 1029, as amended by the bill). For example, companies which
    produce technology to sell to carriers or state and local governments
    that ascertains the location of wireless telephones as part of enhanced
    911 services do not violate section 1029 by their actions. Under new
    subsection (a)(8), however, it will continue to be illegal to use,
    produce, traffic in, have custody or control of, or possess a scanning
    receiver if such act was done with the intent to defraud another person.
    This also is current law, and it remains unchanged by the bill. 



> 
> The law enforcement industry couldn't care less whether the cellphone
> airlinks  are private.  All wiretaps are done at the base station or
> inside the network,  where no scanners are needed.
> 
	Sadly, this is only true of *legal* wiretaps by authorized *US* 
entities.   Ask any of the dealers and manufacturers of cellphone
interception gear and high end scanners who buys this stuff (with cell
phone band enabled).   Lots of LEA types have this gear, some of which
is specialized enough so it could have no other purpose.


> I suspect the cellphone industry wants these laws primarily because they find
> them useful at fighting fraud.  When you broadcast a reusable "password"
> (the MIN/ESN pair) over the air in the clear (as analog phones do), devices
> to snoop on conversations start to look very much like devices to steal those
> valuable "passwords".

	Of course.  They could care less about privacy (or they would have
encrypted years ago), but fraud costs them big money.


> 
> Of course, we all know that these laws are pretty ineffective at protecting
> privacy, though they are effective at making it easier to snow the public into
> thinking their cellphones are secure.  (This is only, what, the fourth such
> law?  It just gets worse and worse.)

-- 
	Dave Emery N1PRE,  die at die.com  DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. 
PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2  5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18






From jya at pipeline.com  Mon Mar 30 14:12:39 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:12:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: S-909 Revised
Message-ID: <199803302212.RAA06210@camel8.mindspring.com>


We've received from anonymous a copy of Senators
McCain and Kerrey's draft revisions to S.909, The 
Secure Public Networks Act, as announced in early 
March:

   http://jya.com/s909-rev.htm  (60K)

This is encryption legislation due to be introduced in May 
and is now being circulated among government
agencies and industry for comment.

It draws heavily on the FBI "technical assistance draft"
of last year which made recommendations for modifying
the original bill. See links to both from this draft.

Page 2 of the draft was not provided. Anybody with
a copy of the page we'd appreciate getting it, digitized if
convenient, faxed if not: 212-799-4003.







From billp at nmol.com  Mon Mar 30 14:34:31 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:34:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: pals
Message-ID: <35201CB7.66B@nmol.com>


Monday 3/30/98 3:21 PM

John Young

The information contained in

http://www.research.att.com/~smb/nsam-160/pal.html

appears from my knowledge accurate.

One must consider possible malfunction when

  With the CAT B, it is also possible to check the code, relock the
  weapon, or rekey it. 

and

 limited-try feature disables the bomb if too many incorrect keys are
 entered. Most references omit the CAT C. It may just be a later model   
of the CAT B. 

The new keys loaded were occasionally not the ones intended to be
loaded.  

Back to Pantex for disassembly was the fix.

The bubble memory of the T1563 was one of the problems
in rekeying reliability,  I was told..

Bugs in the about 112,000 lines of rca 1802 assembler code was also a 
problem.

Kent Parsons asked me to look at the code and make a recommendation
about what to do.

Later
bill







From billp at nmol.com  Mon Mar 30 17:56:28 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:56:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: foiling any lock
Message-ID: <35204B7A.2AF6@nmol.com>


Monday 3/30/98 6:34 PM

wolit & smb

Your statement at

http://www.jya.com/pal-nukes.htm

http://www.research.att.com/~smb/nsam-160/pal.html

  There are two basic means of foiling any lock, from an automobile   
  ignition switch to a PAL: the first is to pick it, and the second is   
  to bypass it.

perhaps contains SEVERAL PRACTICAL oversights.

ONE is spike it!

http://caq.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63madsen.html

http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm

http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm

And, of course, Pantex can always get in. 

Then there are OTHER ways of getting the key

  Two terrorist agents of the clerical regime, both high-ranking
officials in Tehran's     Evin Prison who have been directly involved in
the torture and execution of numerous     political prisoners in recent
years, are currently in Austria on a secret assignment as   special
guests of the Iranian embassy in Vienna. One of the two is Ruhollah,
  the notorious interrogator in Evin Prison's Branch 6. 

I read

  It is reasonably probable that public key cryptography is not used   
  directly. No known public key cryptosystem uses keys as short as 6 or
12 digits. 

I was told that public key was.

Here is the name and e-mail address of the fellow who told me
pubic key was used in the nuclear weapons ... and was being removed.

KULJU,RONALD J.           (505)845-8860  RJKULJU   (505)844-9478  0519 
RJKULJU at sandia.gov

The supervisor of M Kent Parsons who told me it cost $300,000 each
to recall the nuke to Pantex to remove Sandia's FAILING CHIPS
[unspecified]
is

ALLEN,DOUGLAS J.          (505)845-9624  DJALLEN   (505)844-7593  1201  
DJALLEN at sandia.gov

The guy, at 2300 department manager M Kent Parson's request who showed
me the about 112,000 lines of 1802 T1563 code is

DENMAN,THOMAS A.          (505)844-2819  TADENMA   (505)844-9524  0487 
TADENMA at sandia.gov 

I frequently see Denman when Morales and I meet at Taco Bell.

Let's ALL try to get the true story OUT THERE.

Best
bill







From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Mon Mar 30 19:34:15 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:34:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: And the way this relates to cryptomony is...uuhhh.......
Message-ID: <026401bd5c66$5dd1ebe0$1962a58e@uymfdlvk>


There is an amusing discussion of metaphor and metonymy in David Lodge's
novel, Nice Work.

A typical instance of this was the furious argument they had about the Silk
Cut advertisement... Every few miles, it seemed, they passed the same huge
poster on roadside hoardings, a photographic depiction of a rippling expanse
of purple silk in which there was a single slit, as if the material had been
slashed with a razor. There were no words in the advertisement, except for
the Government Health Warning about smoking. This ubiquitous image, flashing
past at regular intervals, both irritiated and intrigued Robyn, and she
began to do her semiotic stuff on the deep structure hidden beneath its
bland surface.
It was in the first instance a kind of riddle. That is to say, in order to
decode it, you had to know that there was a brand of cigarettes called Silk
Cut. The poster was the iconic representation of a missing name, like a
rebus. But the icon was also a metaphor. The shimmering silk, with its
voluptous curves and sensuous texture, obviously symbolized the female body,
and the elliptical slit, foregrounded by a lighter colour showing through,
was still more obviously a vagina. The advert thus appealed to both senual
and sadistic impulses, the desire to mutilate as well as penetrate the
female body.

Vic Wilcox spluttered with outraged derision as she expounded this
interpretation. He smoked a different brand himself, but it wasas if he felt
his whole philosophy of life was threatened by Robyn's analysis of the
advert. 'You must have a twisted mind to see all that in a perfectly
harmless bit of cloth,' he said.

'What's the point of it, then?' Robyn challenged him. 'Why use cloth to
advertise cigarettes?'

'Well, that's the name of 'em, isn't it? Silk Cut. It's a picture of the
name. Nothing more or less.'

'Suppose they'd used a picture of a roll of silk cut in half - would that do
just as well?'

'I suppose so. Yes, why not?'

'Because it would look like a penis cut in half, that's why.'

He forced a laugh to cover his embarrassment. 'Why can't you people take
things at their face value?'

'What people are you refering to?'

'Highbrows. Intellectuals. You're always trying to find hidden meanings in
things. Why? A cigarette is a cigarette. A piece of silk is a piece of silk.
Why not leave it at that?

'When they're represented they acquire additional meanings,' said Robyn.
'Signs are never innocent. Semiotics teaches us that.'

'Semi-what?'

'Semiotics. The study of signs.'

'It teaches us to have dirty minds, if you ask me.'

'Why do you think the wretched cigarettes were called Silk Cut in the first
place?'

'I dunno. It's just a name, as good as any other.'

"Cut" has something to do with the tobacco, doesnt it? The way the tobacco
leaf is cut. Like "Player's Navy Cut" - my uncle Walter used to smoke them.'

'Well, what if it does?' Vic said warily.

'But silk has nothing to do with tobacco. It's a metaphor, a metaphor that
means something like, "smooth as silk". Somebody in an advertising agency
dreamt up the name "Silk Cut" to suggest a cigarette that would'nt give you
a sore throat or a hacking cough or lung cancer. But after a while the
public got used to the name, the word "Silk" ceased to signify, so they
decided to have an advertising campaign to give the brand a high profile
again. Some bright spark in the agency came up with the idea of rippling
silk with a cut in it. The original metaphor is now represented literally.
Whether they conciously intended or not doesn't really matter. It's a good
example of the perpetual sliding of the signified under a signifier,
actually.'

Wilcox chewed on this for a while, then said, 'Why do women smoke them,
then, eh?' his triumphant expression showed that he thought this was a
knock-down argument. 'If smoking Silk Cut is a form of aggravated rape, as
you try to make out, how come women smoke 'em too?'

'Many women are masochistic by temperament,' said Robyn. 'They've learnt
what's expected of them in a patriarchical society.'

'Ha!' Wilcox exclaimed, tossing back his head. 'I might have known you'd
have some daft answer.'

'I don't know why you're so worked up,' Said Robyn. 'It's not as if you
smoke Silk Cut yourself.'

'No, I smoke Marlboros. Funnily enough, I smoke them because I like the
taste.'

'They're the ones that have the lone cowboy ads, aren't they?'

'I suppose that makes me a repressed homosexual, does it?'

'No, it's a very straightforward metonymic message.'

'Metawhat?'

'Metonymic. One of the fundamental tools of semiotics is the distinction
between metaphor and metonymy. D'you want me to explain it to you?'

'It'll pass the time,' he said.

'Metaphor is a figure of speech based on similarity, whereas metonymy is
based on contiguity. In metaphor you substitute something like the thing you
mean for the thing itself, whereas in metonymy you substitute some attribute
or cause or effect of the thing for the thing itself'.

'I don't understand a word you're saying.'

'Well, take one of your moulds. The bottom bit is called the drag because
it's dragged across the floor and the top bit is called the cope because it
covers the bottom bit.'

'I told you that.'

'Yes, I know. What you didn't tell me was that "drag" is a metonymy and
"cope" is a metaphor.'

Vic grunted. 'What difference does it make?'

'It's just a question of understanding how language works. I thought you
were interested in how things work.'

'I don't see what it's got to do with cigarettes.'

'In the case of the Silk Cut poster, the picture signifies the female body
metaphorically: the slit in the silk is like a vagina -'

Vic flinched at the word. 'So you say.'

'All holes, hollow places, fissures and folds represent the female
genitals.'

'Prove it.'

'Freud proved it, by his successful analysis of dreams,' said Robyn. 'But
the Marlboro ads don't use any metaphors. That's probably why you smoke
them, actually.'

'What d'you mean?' he said suspiciously.

'You don't have any sympathy with the metaphorical way of looking at things.
A cigarette is a cigarette as far as you are concerned.'

'Right.'

'The Marlboro ad doesn't disturb that naive faith in the stability of the
signified. It establishes a metonymic connection - completely spurious of
course, but realistically plausible - between smoking that particular brand
and the healthy, heroic, outdoor life of the cowboy. Buy the cigarette and
you buy the lifestyle, or the fantasy of living it.'

'Rubbish!' said Wilcox. 'I hate the country and the open air. I'm scared to
go into a field with a cow in it.'

'Well then, maybe it's the solitariness of the cowboy in the ads that
appeals to you. Self-reliant, independent, very macho.'

'I've never heard such a lot of balls in all my life,' said Vic Wilcox,
which was strong language coming from him.

'Balls - now that's an interesting expression...' Robyn mused.

'Oh no!' he groaned.

'When you say a man "has balls", approvingly, it's a metonymy, whereas if
you say something is a "lot of balls", or "a balls-up", it's a sort of
metaphor. The metonymy attributes value to the testicles whereas the
metaphor uses them to degrade something else.'

'I can't take any more of this,' said Vic. 'D'you mind if I smoke? Just a
plain, ordinary cigarette?'








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From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:37:41 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:37:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311241.HAA01831@mx04.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:41:11 -0500 (EST)
from camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta2.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx04.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel7.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:41:11 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta2.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:41:12 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:32 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:37:51 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:37:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311234.HAA02936@mx02.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:28 -0500 (EST)
from camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta3.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx02.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel7.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:28 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta3.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:29 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:33 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:37:56 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:37:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311234.HAA02978@mx02.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:34 -0500 (EST)
from camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta1.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx02.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel7.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:34 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta1.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:35 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:40 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:37:58 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:37:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311234.HAA11843@mx03.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:27 -0500 (EST)
from camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta3.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx03.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel7.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:27 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta3.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:28 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:41 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:38:00 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:38:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311231.HAA26917@mx01.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:31:50 -0500 (EST)
from camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta2.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx01.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel7.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:31:50 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta2.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:31:51 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:35 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:38:01 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:38:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311234.HAA11859@mx03.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:30 -0500 (EST)
from camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta3.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx03.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel7.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:30 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta3.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:31 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:44 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:38:02 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:38:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311234.HAA03709@mx05.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:38 -0500 (EST)
from camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta4.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx05.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel7.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:38 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta4.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:39 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:46 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:39:34 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:39:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311241.HAA01880@mx04.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:41:18 -0500 (EST)
from camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta1.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx04.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel7.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:41:18 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta1.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:41:19 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:38 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:39:37 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:39:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311234.HAA11815@mx03.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:22 -0500 (EST)
from camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta4.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx03.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel7.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:22 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta4.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:23 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:37 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:40:38 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:40:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311244.HAA02821@mx04.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:09 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta1.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx04.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:09 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta1.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:10 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:30 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:40:45 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:40:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311237.HAA12760@mx03.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:17 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta2.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx03.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:17 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta2.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:18 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:32 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:40:51 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:40:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311237.HAA12780@mx03.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:20 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta1.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx03.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:20 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta1.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:21 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:35 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:40:57 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:40:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311237.HAA04447@mx05.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:28 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta1.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx05.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:28 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta1.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:29 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:36 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:41:00 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:41:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311237.HAA03982@mx02.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:32 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta1.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx02.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:32 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta1.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:33 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:38 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:41:11 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:41:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311234.HAA27998@mx01.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:58 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta4.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx01.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:58 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta4.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:59 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:44 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:41:12 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:41:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311244.HAA02901@mx04.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:22 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta2.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx04.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:22 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta2.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:23 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:42 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:41:13 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:41:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311235.HAA28010@mx01.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:00 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta1.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx01.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:00 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta1.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:01 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:46 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:41:13 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:41:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311235.HAA28025@mx01.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:02 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta2.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx01.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:02 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta2.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:03 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:47 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:41:17 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:41:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311235.HAA28056@mx01.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:08 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta3.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx01.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:08 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta3.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:09 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:54 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:41:18 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:41:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311235.HAA28068@mx01.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:10 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta1.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx01.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:10 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta1.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:11 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:56 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:41:19 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:41:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311235.HAA28090@mx01.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:14 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta3.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx01.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:14 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta3.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:15 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:41:00 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:42:24 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:42:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311234.HAA27913@mx01.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:47 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta2.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx01.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:47 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta2.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:48 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:33 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:42:37 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:42:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311234.HAA27973@mx01.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:55 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta4.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx01.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:55 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta4.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:56 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:41 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:42:40 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:42:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311234.HAA27968@mx01.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:54 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta4.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx01.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:54 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta4.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:34:55 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:39 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:42:52 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:42:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311244.HAA02935@mx04.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:28 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta4.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx04.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:28 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta4.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:29 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:49 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:42:55 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:42:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311237.HAA12883@mx03.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:38 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta4.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx03.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:38 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta4.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:39 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:50 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:42:57 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:42:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311237.HAA12882@mx03.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:38 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta2.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx03.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:38 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta2.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:39 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:53 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:42:57 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:42:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311244.HAA02985@mx04.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:38 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta1.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx04.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:38 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta1.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:44:39 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:59 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:42:59 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:42:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311235.HAA28077@mx01.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:12 -0500 (EST)
from camel8.mindspring.com [207.69.200.58]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta1.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx01.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel8.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:12 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta1.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:35:13 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:40:57 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net  Tue Mar 31 04:43:01 1998
From: MAILER-DAEMON at globecomm.net (Mail Delivery Subsystem)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:43:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Returned mail: User unknown
Message-ID: <199803311241.HAA01904@mx04.globecomm.net>

The original message was received at Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:41:22 -0500 (EST)
from camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]

**
This is an automatic message to inform you that your email was not
forwarded through iName's server.

The iName email address that you tried to send mail to may not be active.
Reasons for the failed delivery attempt could include:

1. The iName customer has selected a new personalized iName email address
   rendering their old iName email address inactive.

2. The iName customer may have signed up for one of iName's free offers
   and then not validated their forwarding address.

3  The address may simply be typed incorrectly.  Please check that you
   typed the email address correctly.

iName provides email users with a permanent, personalized and secure email
address that is independent of how one accesses the Internet.  iName acts
as a global forwarding service.  All email sent to a permanent iName address
is automatically forwarded to a user specified destination email address.
Please visit iName's Online Support Area at
http://www.iname.com/info/intro/index.html for further information.
**

   ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
debtzapper at mailexcite.com
    (expanded from: )

   ----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mta4.mailexcite.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
<<< 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
550 debtzapper at mailexcite.com... User unknown


Reporting-MTA: dns; mx04.globecomm.net
Received-From-MTA: DNS; camel7.mindspring.com
Arrival-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:41:22 -0500 (EST)

Final-Recipient: RFC822; 
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; debtzapper at mailexcite.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; mta4.mailexcite.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 [SMTPD]: This account has temporarily exceeded its incoming quota
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:41:23 -0500 (EST)


Subject: Some spam
From: cypherpunks at toad.com
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:37:43 -0500 (EST)

Here is the information on the $9 dental plan we talked about. I 
apologise for the delay in getting the information to you but I 
have been swamped for request. Please fax me if you want more 
information or wish to sign up.

I don't know what you're talking about; thought I'd let you know.

Your buddy





From jya at pipeline.com  Tue Mar 31 04:45:05 1998
From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:45:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 3DES Weakness
Message-ID: <199803311244.HAA20875@camel7.mindspring.com>


NYT-Markoff reports today on Biham and Knudsen's paper
on 3DES weakness, "Cryptanalysis of the ANSI X9.52 
CBCM Mode," noted here a few days ago.

The ANSI X9.F1 committee has held up implementing its
standard as a result, and may have to wait for AES. 
Credit is given to the worldwide DES crack.

   http://www.nytimes.com

See a mirror:

   http://jya.com/3des-weak.htm

Get the Biham/Knudsen paper:

  http://www.cs.technion.ac.il/%7Ebiham/publications.html







From billp at nmol.com  Tue Mar 31 08:31:07 1998
From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:31:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: T 1563 and pals
Message-ID: <3521072D.7BE4@nmol.com>


Tuesday 3/31/98 7:39 AM

John Gilmore
John Young
J Orlin Grabbe

Reading the stuff on the pals at

http://www.jya.com/pal-nukes.htm

http://www.research.att.com/~smb/nsam-160/pal.html

jogged my memory.

After we completed the Forth implementation of the 
Missile Secure Cryptographic Unit at least Hal Pruett,
Duane DeWerff, myself, and perhaps several others
were invited to NSA at Fort Meade in about 1985-6.

NSA employee Bill Legato assailed me for using Forth
for the implementation of the MSCU.

Legato hated Forth and relayed his hate to Sandia management.

This is one reason I was replaced as project leader by Tom Evans
who was later replaced by Eric Disch.

Possibly surprising, however, is that NSA sent Forth expert Don Simard
to
visit Sandia for several years.

Kent Parsons commented to me that he thought Simard was an NSA spy
sent to see what we were up to at Sandia.

Simard, along with Bill Goldrick, were the two reviewers of my 
SAND report now seen at http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm

EE Times, March 30, 1998 page 8

  A Java chip being to ship in quantity
  SAN FRANCISCO - Patriot Scientific Corp. surged to the head
  of the silicon pack at the JavaOne conference last week, showing 
  the PSC1000 RISC processor, which is shipping in quantity.
    �We�ll be selling the chip for under $10 in volume and aiming at
  deeply embedded, low-power applications such as handheld devices
  and factory-floor control systems, � said Phil Morettini, vice
  president of Patriot (San Diego).
    Competing offering from LG Semicon and NEC Corp., each based on 
  Sun Microsystems Inc.�s picoJava core, are not yet available, although
  select customers are said to have samples.
    Separately, Rockwell Collins Inc. (Cedar Rapids, Iowa) said that it
has
  decided not to sell its Java-specific CPU on the merchant market.  The
  company unveiled the innovative processor last fall.

Here is their web site.

http://www.ptsc.com/

Charles Moore, inventor of Forth, is author of the Shboom Java native
code compiler for the PCS100.

Rockwell built a Forth-like chip many years ago.

I met Randy Dumse, who then worked for Rockwell, at a trade show.

I got a copy of the Rockwell R65F11 chip manual from Dumse.

Dumse quit Rockwell to start NewMicros seen at 

http://www.newmicros.com/

Click on history to see

http://www.newmicros.com/history.html

Of course, the Harris RTX 2000 chip used by NASA is a descendant of
Charles Moore�s Novix Forth chip. http://groucho.gsfc.nasa.gov/forth/

Ballard, I was told by Jeff Allsup of Wood Hole, used polyForth to
discover the wrecks of the Titanic and Bismarck.

A central debate is whether a high-level language should be used for
a weapons programmer.

The implementer must be able to account for each bit.  In Forth I can.

Possibility exists that an disgruntled implementer might 'spike' a 
weapon so that it went off at an unintended time.  

Sandia supervisor Don Schroeder was an OUTSPOKEN critic of the T 1563
nuclear bomb controller.

SCHROEDER,DONALD H.       (505)845-8409  DHSCHRO   (505)844-9478  0519
DHSCHRO at sandia.gov

The T 1563 did not work very well.  One reason is that it was written in
about 112,000 lines of assembler.

NSA was reluctant to approve use of an operating system or even a
high-level 
language for crypto implementation for the reasons that security could
not be
guaranteed. 

Sandia did not have the resources required to write its own secure
operating system
and high-level language.

This is why we used the Forth operating system and high-level language.

Schroeder division employee Mike Sharp

SHARP,MICHAEL W.          (505)845-8444  MWSHARP   (505)284-3850  1138
MWSHARP at sandia.gov

wrote a T 1563 implementation in, I think C or Pascal.

Henry Newgass modified the transient part of command.com 
so that on power-up a PC directly entered Sharp�s program.

Jerry Allen, who also saw the merits of using an operating system
and high-level language, funded Neugass.  

ALLEN,DOUGLAS J.          (505)845-9624  DJALLEN   (505)844-7593  1201  
DJALLEN at sandia.gov

I wrote the purchase order.

I learned several months ago that Sandia built a PC version of 
the T 1563 called the T 1663, I was told, which was supplied to 
the Air Force.

The threaded code - compiled native code battle continues.

I am sort-of happy to be back [somewhat] doing MASM code -
along with a bit of Forth and Forth assembler on the 80c32.

I see that J Orlin Grabbe is linking

  Permissive Action Links

at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/

I read

    Both strong links must be closed electrically -- one by specific
operator-coded input and one by      environmental input corresponding
to an appropriate flight trajectory -- in order for the weapon to be
armed. 

George Dullek and Jon Bryan worked together on accellerometers for
flight trajectory sensing.  

Dullek and Bryan are Forth programmers.

DULLECK JR.,GEORGE R.     (505)844-2628  GRDULLE   (505)844-8480  1073
GRDULLE at sandia.gov

BRYAN,JON R.              (505)844-2015  JRBRYAN   (505)844-6161  1003 
JRBRYAN at sandia.gov

Sandia had a division devoted to crystal oscillators.

The oscillators for the micro occasionally fail to start - a bad scene
if this happens when trying to arm
a nuke.

Dick Adams, also in department 2300, was in charge of oscillators. 
Adams never seemed to many of us
too interested in his job.

Adams took an early voluntary separation package from Sandia with a
large educational retraining
incentive.  And went to cooking school in San Francisco, Bob Wayland
told me.  The real world again.

Thanks to good research, some whistleblowing, and Internet details of
fuzing the US nuclear arsenal are being revealed.
  
Let�s ALL hope for SETTLEMENT of this unfortunate mess before it gets
WORSE.  

I want my money and I am out of this mess.

Later
bill







From kurtbuff at halcyon.com  Mon Mar 30 23:20:14 1998
From: kurtbuff at halcyon.com (Kurt Buff)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:20:14 +0800
Subject: CIA Trained Gorilla Femnists
Message-ID: <01BD5C30.8CD50C00.kurtbuff@halcyon.com>



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worst case of performance anxiety I've ever heard of...

On Tuesday, March 24, 1998 5:23 PM, TruthMongrer [SMTP:tm at dev.null] 
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| Male Gorilla, Released to Mate
|                with Females, Drops Dead
| 
|                AP
|                24-MAR-98
| 
| TOKYO (AP) The excitement, or perhaps the pressure, apparently was 
too
| much for Sultan. The 28-year-old male gorilla, specially moved to a 

| cage to mate with three females, instead dropped dead. 
| 
| The 400-pound lowland gorilla ran around briefly and played with 
his 
| new friends Monday, then suddenly collapsed, apparently after 
suffering 
| a heart attack, said Kunihiko Yasui, head of animal breeding at 
Kyoto 
| Muni
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From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 31 16:39:17 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:39:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Political Test
Message-ID: <199804010039.CAA10566@basement.replay.com>


THE SACREDBULL BASIC ENGLISH AND MATH TEST FOR FEDERAL POLITICIANS

SECTION I: Competency in English

1. The phrase, "Congress shall make no law..." means
a. Congress shall make no law...
b. Congress shall make some laws...
c. Americans can do anything they want, except things my colleagues and I,
or our largest contributors, personally dislike.
d. Congress can do anything it damn well pleases, starting with stacking the
courts with our toadies.

2. What is the correct interpretation of the phrase "...the right of the
people...shall not be infringed"?
a. The right of the people...shall not be infringed.
b. The right of the people...shall be infringed, but only gradually,
moderately and for the good of children and battered women (except the ones
we batter).
c. The right of the people is actually a state's right and the states are a
bunch of wusses who'll put up with anything as long as we offer them enough
tax-funded loot in return for selling out their citizens.
d. The people are all sitting on their butts watching TV, so we can infringe
any damn thing we feel like infringing, and we'll get the media to screw you
if you think otherwise.

3. What is the meaning of the phrase, "The powers ... are reserved to the
states, or to the people..."
a. The powers...are reserved to the states, or to the people...
b. The interstate commerce clause gives us the authority to do anything.
Therefore there are no other powers left to reserve for those other twits.
Too bad for them.
c. Where'd you get a stupid idea like that? We're more powerful and have
bigger guns than they do, and that's all that really matters, isn't it?
d. Hahahahahahahahahaha!

4. Essay Question: Write a bill (a proposed law, you twit) in plain English,
for once. We just want to see if you can do it. Extra credit if it's
constitutional or can be read and understood in less than ten minutes by a
high school student of average intelligence.

SECTION II: Competency in Mathematics

1. A fugitive oil baron named Roger gives $300,000 to the Democratic
National Committee for the specific purpose of gaining "access" to the
president. For that, he is given six invitations to the White House, but
does not get the pipeline he wanted. How much money should Roger give to the
DNC next time?
a. Nothing. People shouldn't be able to bribe their way into the presence of
public officials.
b. This is a trick question. Next time, a Republican president might be in
office, and Roger should give his money to the RNC, instead.
c. I know the president. If Roger gives me the money, I'll give Roger
access. Heck, I'll even throw in some hot babes, since Roger said the babes
at the White House were too busy stroking Clinton to pay any attention to
him.
d. $600,000. (Roger's answer, in testimony before Congress 9/18/97.)

2. According to the administration's own projections, Americans will soon
face an 82 percent income tax rate if present entitlement programs and
levels of federal growth persist. How many years before American citizens
rise up in rebellion?
a. Americans should never be driven to that kind of desperation. We should
immediately begin rolling the federal government back to constitutional
levels.
b. Don't worry, we're going to reform the tax system and, as Rep. Mitch
McConnell says, "virtually abolish the IRS as we know it"; we'll just have
an 82 percent national sales tax, instead.
c. As soon as my term in office is over and I can get an oceanside place in
Costa Rica, complete with Uzi-toting bodyguards.
d. What do we care? We'll just let Janet burn the little jerks and claim
they committed suicide.

3. The federal budget is...oh...some great big figure in the gazillions. The
national debt is probably about five trillion dollars, give or take. The
annual deficit is, you know, billions and billions and billions (not
counting off-budget stuff like Amtrak and the Post Office). Budgets for
Social Security and Medicare are increasing at some really wowie-zow of a
percent every year. (Not like you care what the actual figures are, anyway.)
Congress and the president have just cooked up a tax cut package filled with
goodies for favored special interests. Please explain how you can claim the
budget will be balanced by 2002.
a. We can't do it without extreme cutbacks in government. Anybody who says
we can is lying like a congressman.
b. Revenues will...uh...yeah...revenues will increase because of all those
tax breaks and...uh...the economy will be just perfect forever and ever
and...uh...maybe some plague or something will come along and kill off all
those money-sucking old folks...or something like that, maybe.
c. The media said it's true, didn't they? What more proof do you want?
d. Hey, that's for the suckers who are here in 2002 to figure out. I'll be
in Costa Rica by then.
e. Well, actually, now that I think about it, I'll be in some other country
with an army so they can fight off the U.S. troops who will be sent to take
my loot like they did Noriega's. Like, hey, I stole mine fair and square!

Correct answers: B, C, D and E (From the politicians' point of view, that
is. Hey, you know, whatever we can get away with while the folks are
watching TV...)

Correct answer, in reality: L-E-A-D T-H-E-R-A-P-Y


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From tm at dev.null  Tue Mar 31 20:05:06 1998
From: tm at dev.null (TruthMonger)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:05:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CNN - DeathMonger
Message-ID: <3521D872.5B77@dev.null>


SITE SOURCES
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Two Saskatchewan Freemen Assassinated

One of the Freemen holds a drink during the
81-second standoff on April 1, 1998

Assassination stemmed from Microsoft standoff?

Bienfait, SASK (AP) � TruthMonger I and TruthMonger II were
assassinated in an 81-second standoff with an unidentified
team of freelance assassins who accomplished their goal
without firing a single shot.
A few short minutes after the CoalDust Saloon opened for
business, a limousine bearing Redmond, Washington, license
plates pulled up outside the bar, and a half-dozen black-clad,
heavily armed figures raced into the building, behind the
cover of smoke and tear-gas grenades. They were met by a heavy
fusillade of gunfire from a variety of surprised morning drunks
who were onery as snot, not yet having finished their first beer of
the morning.

The assassins rushed into the bar and established strategic
positions, only to find that the two TruthMonger entities who
were the target of the raid already lay dead on the floor.
They quickly rushed out of the CoalDust Saloon and piled into
the limousine, which headed for the American border.

The day-shift barmaid who investigated the scene--in the absence
of local RCMP, who were busy on the reservation legally murdering
WagonBurners�noted that TruthMonger I and TruthMonger II had both
been shot in the head from behind.
Blanc Weber, a member of the Circle of Eunuchs who claimed to
have been �just passing through� Bienfait, at the time, and who
was reported to be standing behind the TwoMongers when the
shooting began, theorized that the fatal shots came from the
grassy knoll behind the bar.
When confronted by an angry crowd of drunken losers who pointed
out that Weber�s anger over the TruthMonger Cult of One Clan
including references to her in their Death Threat!!!(s) against
an unnamed billionaire from Redmond, Washington, she bought a
round of drinks for the house, and the matter was quickly dropped.

Jeff Sandquist, a Microsoft employee who had earned his bones by
cleaning up the mess that Circle of Eunuchs founder, C.J. Parker
had made of the computer systems at the offices of a local mobile
home manufacturer, verified Blanc Weber�s claims about the shots
coming from the grassy knoll, noting that three bums (Mark Hedges,
Robert Canizales, and a shadowy figure known only as Sameer) had
been picked up shortly after the incident by Estevan City Police,
and taken for a free breakfast at the Husky Truckstop.
Sandquist and Weber were picked up and spirited away by a strange
figure who refused to reveal his identity, but noted that it was
imperative for the group to leave quickly, because �at night, the
ice weasels come.�

TruthMongerI.jpg

TruthMongerII.jpg

Local members of the Royal Canadian Mounted Gestapo later indicated
that their investigation into the matter revealed that local law
enforcement personnel in Redmond, Washington, could not find any
suspects in their files matching the description of a billionaire
in a limousine. A follow up inquiry by CNN reporters proved to be
unsuccessful, as all of the officers involved on both sides of the
border had retired by the end of the day.

At a wake held for the TwoMongers after a truckload of Olympia beer
unexpectedly arrived at the bar, the massive crowd that suddenly
appeared out of nowhere reminisced about their fallen drinking
buddies.

�It was probably an act of mercy, since they had been suffering
greatly since installing Win95 on their systems.�
~Anonymous

�Ever since TM-I�s cousin died of a mysterious heart-attack after
being put in a cage with the female guerillas, we knew it was
only a matter of time before Blanc Weber saw the light and
decided to become a Claire Wolfe in Sheeple's clothing.�
~Nobody

�I *love* this bar��
~A visitor from Boston


                � 1998 Cable News Network, Inc.
                A Time Warner Company
                All Rights Reserved.






From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Tue Mar 31 20:37:47 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:37:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: AUP
Message-ID: <000c01bd5d38$68213380$7679a58e@uymfdlvk>



-----Original Message-----
From: Lance Cottrell 


>Sadly our lawyer suggests that physically dismembering abusers is
>inappropriate from a corporate point of view.  ;)


Pussies...







From toto at sk.sympatico.ca  Tue Mar 31 21:24:30 1998
From: toto at sk.sympatico.ca (Toto)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:24:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Repeat Offenders / Re: March 1 column - child abuse trials
Message-ID: <005f01bd5d3e$ece30b60$7679a58e@uymfdlvk>


Now, if only we could get a conviction...

-----Original Message-----
>    FROM MOUNTAIN MEDIA
>    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE DATED MARCH 1, 1998
>    THE LIBERTARIAN, By Vin Suprynowicz
>    Where are they now?


>  Only last week did a three-judge panel of the 11th Circuit Court of
>Appeals, in a unanimous ruling, overturn the conviction of Miami police
>officer Grant Snowden, sentenced in 1986 to five life terms on charges he
>had committed sexual crimes against small children.

...
>  If juries are willing to embrace "professional" testimony that small
>children who make fantastic, rambling accusations are telling the truth
>"99.5 percent of the time," have we really come so far from the days of the
>Salem witchcraft trials ... which ended, instructively enough, when 23
>Massachusetts juries in a row finally refused to convict?
...

>  What about those prosecutors, by the way? What ever did become of the
>ambitious Dade County State Attorney whose office prosecuted Officer
>Snowden -- now ordered to be released "unless the state affords him a
>speedy new trial"?
>
>  Why, her name was Janet Reno, and she was elevated in 1993 to the
>position of attorney general of the United States, where she immediately
>oversaw the "protection" of the children of the Mount Carmel religious
>community in Waco, Texas, by federal agents who trapped them in their
>church by using armored vehicles to knock down walls and escape staircases,
>injected the premises with poison gas, and in the process started a fatal
>conflagration by knocking over kerosene lanterns and space heaters, all
>while fellow G-men poured "suppressive" automatic weapons fire into the
>structure to stop anyone from escaping or resisting.
>
>  (See it for yourself, as filmed by federal government cameras: Order the
>video "Waco: The Terms of Engagement," now nominated for an Academy Award
>as best documentary, at $25 by dialing 1-800-771-2147, ext. 19.)
>
>Vin Suprynowicz is the assistant editorial page editor of the Las Vegas
>Review-Journal. Readers may contact him via e-mail at vin at lvrj.com. The web
>site for the Suprynowicz column is at http://www.nguworld.com/vindex/. The
>column is syndicated in the United States and Canada via Mountain Media
>Syndications, P.O. Box 4422, Las Vegas Nev. 89127.







From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 31 21:33:59 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:33:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: many most important point
Message-ID: <199804010533.HAA17912@basement.replay.com>



What are many most important point
upon develop encryption software?

        






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 31 21:35:04 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:35:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: many most important point2
Message-ID: <199804010534.HAA18141@basement.replay.com>



What are many most important point
upon design block cypher algorithm?


        






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 31 21:38:16 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:38:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: secure design of key schedle
Message-ID: <199804010538.HAA18903@basement.replay.com>



Show me secure design of key schedle.

        






From nobody at REPLAY.COM  Tue Mar 31 22:05:29 1998
From: nobody at REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:05:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fwd: PRESS RELEASE - Internet Security Issue
Message-ID: <199804010605.IAA23463@basement.replay.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hedges 


>Veil.net is not a strong anonymity provider, they're a trusted third party
>using a slightly hacked popmail and sendmail server. They say "since we do
>not even know who you are, your privacy is safely intact." This is false,
>since they can access IP numbers of connection attempts.


I make a point of checking the individuals and companies involved in
various enterprises claiming to be the paranoid's best friend, as well
as checking their links and assorted tentacles.
The first thing I noticed about veil's anonymity site was that they don't
seem very proud of who they are and their company's background, since
they don't provide any information of that nature.
Combining that fact with the fact that they seem to be giving out 
blatantly false information regarding the anonymity of their users,
I would assume that their purpose is far from what they claim.

SpookMonger






From freestuff13 at juno.com  Tue Mar 31 22:10:42 1998
From: freestuff13 at juno.com (freestuff13 at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 22:10:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Hi :-)
Message-ID: <199804010610.WAA29676@toad.com>




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From alt1 at snowhill.com  Tue Mar 31 22:25:12 1998
From: alt1 at snowhill.com (Al Thompson)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 14:25:12 +0800
Subject: Reno and Freeh talking about Crypto and "Terrorism"
Message-ID: <199804010619.AAA02675@frost.snowhill.com>



At 09:45 PM 3/31/98 -0500, Frederick Burroughs wrote:
>Obviously the Justice Dept. requires a few big busts involving crypto.
>The case should be one in which the perpetrators attempt to cover their
>misdeeds behind strong crypto. An informant will be needed to allow
>"plausible deniability". That is, Justice will say, "If not for the
>informant, we would have never been able to access the encrypted
>evidence.  We can't depend on informants, we need better access." The
>crime should resonate abhorrent  with the public, child prostitution
>ring, illegal dumping of hazardous waste, securities fraud against
>retirees, something that will generate a lot of letters to Congress. In
>the light of these pending realities, Congress will be all too willing
>to give out keys to the backdoor.
  
Don't forget the more obvious: an "impending terrorist attack by crazed gun 
owners who are outraged by reasonable restrictions on firearms."