From nobody at replay.com Sat Aug 1 00:36:23 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 00:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CypherPunks Are Stupid DickWads!!! Message-ID: <199808010736.JAA18065@replay.com> Cuthmarks=*** Ha! Ha! Ha! I can say anything I want about you guys and you won't know who I am, because I am using an AnonymousRemailer (TM). How does it feel to have your own CypherPunksTechnology turned against you, eh? And there's nothing you can do about it, because you don't know who I am... Hell, I can even badmouth the remailer operators, while using their own systems to send out my email badmouthing them, eh? I mean, these RemailerOperators are really stupid lamers, eh? I mean, they can't even get their messages to come out in the same order that they came in by... Dumb, eh? Some of the test messages I sent to myself came back in a different order from that what I sent them in. I guess these guys don't know much about computers, eh? And those names, 'Anonymous' and 'Nobody', aren't fooling AnyBody, because the minute you see them, you *know* that the message is from a remailer. Dumb, eh? Well, I just thought I'd let you guys know how stupid you are and how you'll never know who I am, or how to find me, because I am cutting the edge off of computer technology. MrOrMsAnonymousNobody!ADickWaddLikeYouGuys p.s. - It's a damn good thing you can't find me, neither, because my new email account is on a system that is so straight that my email is automatically scanned for BadWords before being sent out, and I have to either use misspelled BadWords like Phuck, BadWords which aren't in the BadWordDictionary, like DickWadd, or send the chapters of SPACE ALIENS HIDE MY DRUGS!!! to the CypherPunks Disturbed Male LISP couched and potatoed in ConvectionalEncraption. *** The Fire House Inn *** Come visit us Telnet: fhouse.org WWW: fhouse.org *********** From stuffed at stuffed.net Sat Aug 1 01:32:15 1998 From: stuffed at stuffed.net (STUFFED/EUREKA!) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Better living through masterbation/Digestible Dildos Message-ID: <19980731151300.12433.qmail@eureka.abc-web.com> Welcome to today's issue of Stuffed. To read it you should click on the URL below. If it is not made clickable by your email program you will need to use your mouse to highlight the line, copy it and then paste it into your browser (then press Return). http://stuffed.net/98/7/31/ If you have an email program that can display web pages you will find today's front cover should have already been disp- layed and can be clicked on to take you straight to Stuffed. This email is never sent unsolicited. Stuffed is the supplement for the Eureka newsletter you subscribed to. Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka! From fivebuz at hotmail.com Sat Aug 1 05:57:07 1998 From: fivebuz at hotmail.com (Anne) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 05:57:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How to earn yourself $50,000 in 90 days!! Message-ID: <419.436008.87662292 fivebuz@hotmail.com> Our research indicates the following material may be of interest to you. If you prefer NOT to learn the easy way to make some much needed income, please, simply delete this letter. To further insure you do not get email of this nature, there are several universal "remove" lists you can subscribe to on the internet. I filter all email addresses that I send to against such a "remove" list of over 2,000,000 subscribers. Please accept my apology if this was sent to you in error! *************************************************************** You are about to make up to $50,000-In less than 90 days Read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN! *************************************************************** This is the letter that got my attention. Read on and I'm sure you will agree that this is a great plan! Dear Friend, The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my Fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. Please do the same. It's so simple to do. And you won't be left out in the cold to figure it all out yourself. Look further down in this letter for the information you will receive from Abot Marketing. They give you 10,000 fresh email addresses and give you the locations of the best software (FREE SOFTWARE) to send out large quantities of email. (normally this kind of software is several hundred dollars) They even give you easy to understand, proven, step by step instructions for success with this program. In fact, they helped me get started and I'm so thankful. It's hard to belive that this as simple as it is, but it really is SIMPLE. You will even get support from them via email anytime you need it. You won't get this kind of help from other programs of this nature. It makes all the difference in the world. My name is Anne Bowman. I am 31-year-old graduate student desperately trying to finish my degree and begin working in my chosen field that is, if I am lucky enough to find a job in the crowded market. Like most people in this day and age, it is hard to make ends meet, and being a student does not help the situation at all (If I ever have to buy one more box of macaroni and cheese I think I would have to scream). I returned to school after having worked for several years with little potential for achieving what I had expected out of life. I figured if I returned to school and received my Ph.D there would be several pportunities for me out there to achieve my goals. After seeing my fellow graduate students receive their degrees and, depressingly, not find respectable positions in their chosen field I began to think, "Oh no not again!" Four extra years in school and an extra $20,000 in student loans on top of the first $18,000, what will I do if the same happens to me?" I began to doubt my patience for the long term investment in schooling, and decided enough was enough, "Why can't I make real money now instead of waiting to graduate with no guarantee of a lucrative return for all of my efforts!" I am writing to share my experience with other hopeful students out there, as well as ANYONE looking for an pportunity to take their financial situation into their own hands. I hope you will consider this opportunity seriously and that this will change your life FOREVER! ., FINANCIALLY!!! And once you get started it takes so little of your time. In mid October 97 I received this program. I didn't send for it,or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. I TOOK THIS AS A SIGN!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, it made perfect sense. Here was a MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start (about as much as it costs for a pizza!), without putting me further in debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "I HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE". Initially I sent 15,000 emails, (without any costs to me) only a couple of hours of my time on-line. The great thing about email is that I didn't need any money for printing to send out the program, only the time to fulfill my orders. There is a vast on-line market available to everyone who owns a computer. Following the advice of the person from whom I received this letter, I am telling you like it is, and I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me! After you receive the reports they should explain everything to you. You may have some general questions, however, and after I send you REPORT #1 , please feel free to contact me and I will give you any advice you need. In one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By mid November, I had received 40 orders for REPORT #1. When you read the GUARANTEE in the program you will see that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS IF YOU DON'T SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By the beginning of December, I had received 174 orders for REPORT #2. If you go back to the GUARANTEE. "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF NOT SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL". Well, I had 174 orders for REPORT #2, 74 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By January 20th, of my emailing of 15,000, I received $54,000 with more coming in ever day. The great thing about this program is you can begin the process over and over again without any limit on potential income! I paid off ALL my student loans, and together with everything I have learned in school, I am now saving in order to open up my own business related to my field as soon as I graduate. Please take time to read the attached program. IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place on the list. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! REPORT #2 explains this. ALWAYS follow the guarantee, 15 to 20 orders of REPORT #1 and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I'm sorry, It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. To my fellow graduate students out there, good luck to you and I sympathize. And to all other persons in financial trouble consider this letter a sign and please take advantage of this opportunity. YOU WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED! Sincerely, Anne Bowman The following testimonial was at the bottom of this letter but it was too good to leave down there so I moved it up here. It is exactly how I felt at first and and feel now. "The first week after I started this program was torture. I couldnt wait to see if it was really going to work after I mailed out my first batch of letters. I chuckle every day now when I walk out of the post office with my envelopes. This is so easy, I still can't belive it's happenning!" Don Masterson, Troy,NY $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ >From here down is the instruction portion of this letter... This is a LEGAL, MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. PRINT this letter, read the directions, THEN READ IT AGAIN !!! You are about to embark on the most profitable and unique program you may ever see. Many times over, it has demonstrated and proven its ability to generate large amounts of cash. This program is showing fantastic appeal with a huge and ever-growing on-line population desirous of additional income. This is a legitimate, LEGAL, money-making opportunity. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house, except to get the mail and go to the bank! This truly is that lucky break you've been waiting for! Simply follow the easy instructions in this letter, and your financial dreams will come true! When followed correctly, this electronic, multi-level marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME! Thousands of people have used this program to: - Raise capital to start their own business - Pay off debts - Buy homes, cars, etc., - Even retire! This is your chance, so don't pass it up! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- OVERVIEW OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY ELECTRONIC MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING PROGRAM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Basically, this is what we do: We send thousands of people a product for $5.00 that costs next to nothing to produce and e-mail. As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the U.S. allows you to recruit new multi- level business online (via your computer). The products in this program are a series of four business and financial reports costing $5.00 each. Each order you receive via "snail mail" will include: * $5.00 cash * The name and number of the report they are ordering * The e-mail address where you will e-mail them the report they ordered. To fill each order, you simply e-mail the product to the buyer. The $5.00 is yours! This is the most EASIEST electronic multi-level marketing business anywhere! FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE LETTER AND BE PREPARED TO REAP THE STAGGERING BENEFITS! ******* I N S T R U C T I O N S ******* This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR RETURN POSTAL ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the four reports. You will need all four reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the four reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "d" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND THE WAY THIS WORKS, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY IT DOESN'T WORK IF YOU CHANGE IT. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the four reports, replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with your name and address, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. c. Move the name and address that was under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. d. Move the name and address that was under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is removed from the list and has NO DOUBT collected their 50 grand. Please make sure you copy everyone's name and address ACCURATELY!!! 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the INSTRUCTION portion of this letter. 4. Now you're ready to start an advertising campaign on the Internet! Advertising on the Internet is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise, but email has, by far, proven itself to be the best medium for this program. And the emailers best friend is e-mail lists. You can buy these lists for under $20/20,000 addresses or you can pay someone a minimal charge to take care of the mailing for you. BE SURE TO START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN IMMEDIATELY! Each day that passes while you think about it is a day without profit. 5. For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ ***Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH FOR EACH REPORT - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper - On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your postal address. (using your printer is the best way to do this) _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTILEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: ALBERT N YISHUN CENTRAL POST OFFICE PO BOX 307 SINGAPORE 917611 *****IMPORTANT NOTE***** - US Dollar currency only please - Once again, make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least "two" sheets of paper _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTILEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: J.F.J P.O. Box 342 McCormick, SC 29835-0342 USA _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: Matt G 3801 Brooklyn Ave. NE #A102-1 Seattle, WA 98105 USA _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTILEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Abot Marketing PO BOX 2523 Chapel Hill, NC 27515-2523 USA *****IMPORTANT NOTE***** My personal success is due to sending out emails to prospective participants, I am happy to help you get started by giving you 10,000 free current email addresses and giving you the location of several free programs that will allow you to send out large quantities of e-mail easily. I will email the fresh addresses and software information to you the same day I receive your report request. Just jot down "free help please" on the report request that you send with your $5. In many cases I can take care of your mailing for you at NO CHARGE. You will receive my real email address when I send you this report and you can contact me for any questions you may have. (program participants, you may leave this offer with my name as I am moved down the list. I will honor it for the duration of the program. Just move it down, with my name, to the next position when you send out your first mailings.) _________________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 down line members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 1st level--your 10 members with$5...................................$50 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)..................$500 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)..........$5,000 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000)...$50,000 THIS TOTALS----------->$55,550 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20 for a chance to make $ 55,000). You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE!!! REPORT# 3 shows you the most productive methods for bulk e-mailing and purchasing e-mail lists. Some list & bulk e-mail vendors even work on trade! About 50,000 new people get online every month! *******TIPS FOR SUCCESS******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report to comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. Vol.. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received." * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, the results WILL undoubtedly be SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! *******YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINE******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT THIS NEXT SECTION IS!!!! If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, continue advertising until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a business name, how income tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small Business Administration (a Federal agency) for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free seminars about business taxes. *******T E S T I M O N I A L S******* The first week after I started this program was torture. I couldnt wait to see if it was really going to work after I mailed out my first batch of letters. I chuckle every day now when I walk out of the post office with my envelopes. This is so easy, I still can't belive it's happenning! Don Masterson, Troy,NY This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rule of not trying to place your name in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on your way to financial security. Sean McLaughlin, Jackson, MS My name is Frank. My wife, Doris, and I live in Bel-Air, MD. I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I grumbled to Doris about receiving "junk mail." I made fun of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Doris totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in with both feet. I made merciless fun of her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her when the thing didn't work... Well, the laugh was on me! Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined Doris in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for me. We owe it all to MLM. Frank T., Bel-Air, MD I just want to pass along my best wishes and encouragement to you. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come in. I even checked with the U.S. Post Office to verify that the plan was legal. It definitely is! IT WORKS!!! Paul Johnson, Raleigh, NC The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money still coming in. Sincerely yours, Phillip A. Brown, Esq. Not being the gambling type, it took me several weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But conservative that I am, I decided that the initial investment was so little that there was just no way that I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my medium-size post office box crammed with orders! For awhile, it got so overloaded that I had to start picking up my mail at the window. I'll make more money this year than any 10 years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is that it doesn't matter where in the U.S. the people live. There simply isn't a better investment with a faster return. Mary Rockland, Lansing, MI I had received this program before. I deleted it, but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program. 11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! Wilburn, Muncie, IN This is my third time to participate in this plan. We have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach and live off the interest on our money. The only way on earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! Charles Fairchild, Spokane, WA ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!!! From nobody at replay.com Sat Aug 1 07:01:03 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 07:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CypherPunks Are Stupid DickWads!!! Message-ID: <199808011401.QAA17879@replay.com> Someone (we will never know who) wrote: NO>Cuthmarks=*** NO> Well, I just thought I'd let you guys know how stupid you are and how NO>you'll never know who I am, or how to find me, because I am cutting the NO>edge off of computer technology. NO> *** The Fire House Inn *** NO> Come visit us NO> Telnet: fhouse.org NO> WWW: fhouse.org NO> *********** It looks like Toto has made fools of us again. Damn he is smart! FoolMonger *** The Fire House Inn *** Come visit us Telnet: fhouse.org WWW: fhouse.org *********** From toto at fhouse.org Sat Aug 1 09:00:24 1998 From: toto at fhouse.org (toto at fhouse.org) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Did you *really* write PGP? Message-ID: PRZ, Some guys from the Secret Service came to see me about the Death Threats I've been sending you. It's pretty funny that after all those years of persecuting you, the GuberMint is now paying these guys to protect you, eh? They sure looked at me funny when I told them that it was all in good humor, and that I wouldn't dream of doing anything bad to the guy who wrote PGP. Are you *sure* you wrote it? They don't seem to think so... Do you play the saxaphone? They said you play the saxaphone. Anyway, say "Hi!" to Buddy for me... Your Pal and CoConspirator, Toto ~~~~ *** The Fire House Inn *** Come visit us Telnet: fhouse.org WWW: fhouse.org *********** From jf_avon at citenet.net Sat Aug 1 10:22:48 1998 From: jf_avon at citenet.net (Jean-Francois Avon) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: french Libertarian e-zine in Quebec, Canada (excerpt) Message-ID: <199808011738.NAA26999@cti06.citenet.net> This magazine is bilingual but not translated. Articles are published in their original language only. If the author does a translation, both versions are likely to be published. Ciao JFA Montr�al, le 1er ao�1998 Num�ro 17 LE QU�B�COIS LIBRE (page 6) LE QU�B�COIS LIBRE sollicite des textes d'opinion qui d�fendent ou contestent le point de vue libertarien sur n'importe quel sujet d'actualit�. Les textes doivent avoir entre 700 et 1200 mots. Pri�re d'inclure votre titre ou profession, le village ou la ville o�vous habitez, ainsi que votre adresse �lectronique. <980801-5.htm> <980801-5.htm>page pr�c�dente Vos commentaires MUSINGS BY MADDOCKS ID IN THE USA: GIVING THEM THE FINGER by Ralph Maddocks In June of this year, the US Department of Transportation's National Highway Traffic Safety Administration proposed some new rules, effective October 1, 2000. They require all citizens to obtain a driver's licence containing a social security number. The law makes mention of �biometric identifiers �by which is meant such high-tech delights as digitized thumb or fingerprints on magnetic strips. An unrelated, for the moment, announcement by the Immigration Service on June 23 revealed a new identification system called INSPASS. The latter is a system which verifies such things as retinal and hand scans in order to let frequent travelers pass through customs more quickly. All very efficient. In this land of the free, whose praises are sung ad nauseam, these kinds of regulations are being introduced frequently and surreptitiously so that the average man, or woman, in the street will not realize what is happening until it is far too late to protest. Requirements such as social security numbers on driving licences are leading inevitably towards their becoming national identity cards. A card which the citizen will soon need to secure government services, apply for a job, conduct banking transactions or even to buy something as simple as an airline ticket. An old topic with a new twist Of course this topic is not new to the US, various groups have been proposing tamper-proof ID cards for many years. Often this was connected to discussions on gun control or immigration, it being believed that illegal immigration could be deterred by the use of such cards. The fact that they would be no more reliable than the documents produced originally to obtain them, plus the estimated $2.5 billions required to implement them, does not deter those who would mandate their use. A great deal of the impetus for ID cards is coming from California where a serious illegal immigration problem does indeed exist. As usual, politicians possessed of little or no imagination propose simplistic solutions to complex social and economic problems. Their idea being that such a card would become a kind of employment passport, which illegal immigrants would not possess. Unless, that is, their friendly local forger could supply one. There can be little doubt that the appearance of such a card would be welcomed by the police, they could then stop people at will and ask for some identification. The potential for the harassment of strange, different looking or foreign sounding individuals will increase exponentially. Minorities such as Asians, Latinos and African Americans will become even more perfect targets for such identity checks. Other groups too, such as banks, health insurers, landlords, merchants and others, salivate at the prospect of employing ID cards in their daily activities. Information, once gathered, can be stored at almost no cost, and retrieved in any imaginable sequence. It is this which is providing the incentive to collect the sort of information that has hitherto been maintained about only a very small portion of the population. The United States already has in its education system a national electronic network of student records. The purpose of this system being to allow the exchange of information between various public and private agencies, and the tracking of individuals through school and university, through their military service, through the criminal justice system, through their civilian careers, and through their use of the medical services. Toward a womb to tomb database At the moment, these databases are provided only with an electronic portfolio for every student, an assessment of each student's work and behavior by his teacher and the student's social security number. It is proposed also to include: data about prenatal care; birth weight; number of years in a pre-school program; poverty status; physical, emotional and other development at various ages; date of last routine health and dental care; plus many other items such as the employer's name and whether the person is registered to vote. A womb to tomb, all seeing, all knowing database. In a book published jointly by the U.S. Department of Education and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, there is ominous talk of �overcoming the confidentiality barrier. �The purpose of the new databases being stated as giving all agencies �ready access to each other's data. � There is a group in the US known as the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators (AAMVA) which is actively involved with the Transportation Secretary in proposing or actually changing the various state driving licences to include digitally encoded fingerprints, retinal scans, digital computer readable photographs and other biometric forms of identification. So far, some 28 States have actually begun to make or proposed the changes to their driver's licences. Last December, the AAMVA announced that fingerprints are their currently favored form of biometric identification. It may interest readers to learn that many Canadian provinces are also members of the AAMVA. It would be naive to think that these ideas will not cross the world's longest undefended border before long. All the State assemblies which have introduced the necessary legislation to implement this new form of national ID have done so under cover, usually at the end of a legislative session in the middle of the night. These politicians know a thing or two about journalists. The mainstream media having been remarkably silent on the subject and frequently supportive of the federal government. On a positive note, at least a few States are now actively involved in trying to repeal the fingerprinting requirement. Alabama and New Jersey have done it, and Georgia is considering a piece of draft legislation which will forbid the use of biometric identifiers of any kind. �Live Free or Die �the motto of our neighboring US State of New Hampshire, may well become somewhat more than a motto if its citizens do not resist these latest proposals emanating from their Federal Government. Perhaps, instead of providing their fingerprints, they should show their politicians a collective upraised finger. sommaire page suivante <980801-7.htm> <980801-7.htm> Jean-Francois�Avon,�B.Sc.�Physics,�Montreal,�Canada ��DePompadour,�Soci�t�d'Importation�Lt�e �����Limoges�fine�porcelain�and�french�crystal ��JFA�Technologies,�R&D�physicists�&�engineers �����Instrumentation�&�control,�LabView�programming PGP�keys:�http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP�ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E�F87CC86FAEFEF891� PGP�ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0�254011193237822C From nobody at replay.com Sat Aug 1 11:55:16 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CRTC asks if it should regulate the internet Message-ID: <199808011855.UAA12259@replay.com> Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 10:37:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey Shallit To: efc-talk at efc.ca Subject: CRTC asks if it should regulate the internet X-EFC-Web-Site: http://www.efc.ca The front page of today's Globe & Mail has a story about the CRTC asking if it should regulate the Internet. The front page story directs you to page A4 for the remainder, which is actually on page A3. On page A3 an incorrect URL for the CRTC releases. The correct ones are: http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/NEWS/RELEASES/1998/R980731e.htm (press release) http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ENG/bcasting/notice/1998/p9882_0.txt (public notice in English) All EFC members should write and say they are opposed to CRTC regulation. Unfortunately, I am scheduled to leave for vacation tomorrow, but David Jones will post this and perhaps suggest some sample letters to write to the CRTC. EFC will plan to attend the public hearings on the issue on November 23 in Hull, Quebec. Jeffrey Shallit From jya at pipeline.com Sat Aug 1 12:21:53 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 12:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cracking DES 8 Message-ID: <199808011921.PAA06390@dewdrop2.mindspring.com> Chapter 8, Hardware Board Schematics: http://jya.com/crack-des08.htm (13K + 8 images) From honig at m7.sprynet.com Sat Aug 1 16:39:39 1998 From: honig at m7.sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MAKE ENTROPY CHEAP!!! Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980801163906.007bc7d0@m7.sprynet.com> Producing True Random Numbers at 44Kbits/sec on a common PC I found that FM radio hiss can be digitized and processed to yield true, quality random numbers which pass the Diehard randomness tests. A cheap FM radio was tuned to hiss at the high end of the FM band. The radio's earphone-out signal was fed into ordinary computer soundcard and digitized at 16bits/sample at 22Ksamples/sec. Various spectral-analysis programs showed that the FM hiss was fairly white analog noise, however the raw data did not pass Diehard tests. I then processed the raw data: The parity of each raw byte was shifted into a register until a byte accumulated, which was then output. The resulting data, 1/8 the size of the raw data, passes Diehard randomness tests with no additional processing. Diehard output: BIRTHDAY SPACINGS TEST, M= 512 N=2**24 LAMBDA= 2.0000 bigsimple.bin using bits 1 to 24 p-value= .215128 bigsimple.bin using bits 2 to 25 p-value= .749499 bigsimple.bin using bits 3 to 26 p-value= .096196 bigsimple.bin using bits 4 to 27 p-value= .658912 bigsimple.bin using bits 5 to 28 p-value= .017458 bigsimple.bin using bits 6 to 29 p-value= .574795 bigsimple.bin using bits 7 to 30 p-value= .057843 bigsimple.bin using bits 8 to 31 p-value= .755589 bigsimple.bin using bits 9 to 32 p-value= .088504 The 9 p-values were .215128 .749499 .096196 .658912 .017458 .574795 .057843 .755589 .088504 A KSTEST for the 9 p-values yields .896831 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- OPERM5 test for file bigsimple.bin chisquare for 99 degrees of freedom= 87.229; p-value= .204786 OPERM5 test for file bigsimple.bin chisquare for 99 degrees of freedom=159.365; p-value= .999882 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Binary rank test for bigsimple.bin Rank test for 31x31 binary matrices: rows from leftmost 31 bits of each 32-bit integer rank observed expected (o-e)^2/e sum 28 199 211.4 .729394 .729 29 5138 5134.0 .003101 .732 30 23023 23103.0 .277344 1.010 31 11640 11551.5 .677653 1.687 chisquare= 1.687 for 3 d. of f.; p-value= .457248 Binary rank test for bigsimple.bin Rank test for 32x32 binary matrices: rows from leftmost 32 bits of each 32-bit integer rank observed expected (o-e)^2/e sum 29 206 211.4 .138848 .139 30 5156 5134.0 .094185 .233 31 23196 23103.0 .373989 .607 32 11442 11551.5 1.038443 1.645 chisquare= 1.645 for 3 d. of f.; p-value= .450664 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- b-rank test for bits 1 to 8 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .14013 b-rank test for bits 2 to 9 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .95786 b-rank test for bits 3 to 10 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .23685 b-rank test for bits 4 to 11 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .54937 b-rank test for bits 5 to 12 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .60969 b-rank test for bits 6 to 13 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .62964 b-rank test for bits 7 to 14 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .89250 b-rank test for bits 8 to 15 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .78444 b-rank test for bits 9 to 16 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .55013 b-rank test for bits 10 to 17 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .23741 b-rank test for bits 11 to 18 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .03669 b-rank test for bits 12 to 19 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .04415 b-rank test for bits 13 to 20 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .62760 b-rank test for bits 14 to 21 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .61393 b-rank test for bits 15 to 22 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .96515 b-rank test for bits 16 to 23 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .08958 b-rank test for bits 17 to 24 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .41657 b-rank test for bits 18 to 25 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .57191 b-rank test for bits 19 to 26 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .88550 b-rank test for bits 20 to 27 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .08824 b-rank test for bits 21 to 28 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .71721 b-rank test for bits 22 to 29 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .54291 b-rank test for bits 23 to 30 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .67989 b-rank test for bits 24 to 31 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .53742 b-rank test for bits 25 to 32 p=1-exp(-SUM/2)= .17990 TEST SUMMARY, 25 tests on 100,000 random 6x8 matrices These should be 25 uniform [0,1] random variables: .140129 .957865 .236846 .549372 .609694 .629638 .892499 .784442 .550129 .237412 .036688 .044150 .627598 .613930 .965150 .089578 .416568 .571912 .885501 .088241 .717215 .542912 .679889 .537418 .179904 brank test summary for bigsimple.bin The KS test for those 25 supposed UNI's yields KS p-value= .206759 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No. missing words should average 141909. with sigma=428. tst no 1: 142384 missing words, 1.11 sigmas from mean, p-value= .86629 tst no 2: 142777 missing words, 2.03 sigmas from mean, p-value= .97868 tst no 3: 143026 missing words, 2.61 sigmas from mean, p-value= .99546 tst no 4: 142308 missing words, .93 sigmas from mean, p-value= .82420 tst no 5: 142173 missing words, .62 sigmas from mean, p-value= .73107 tst no 6: 142022 missing words, .26 sigmas from mean, p-value= .60382 tst no 7: 141931 missing words, .05 sigmas from mean, p-value= .52019 tst no 8: 142314 missing words, .95 sigmas from mean, p-value= .82780 tst no 9: 141482 missing words, -1.00 sigmas from mean, p-value= .15904 tst no 10: 141443 missing words, -1.09 sigmas from mean, p-value= .13796 tst no 11: 141796 missing words, -.26 sigmas from mean, p-value= .39559 tst no 12: 142268 missing words, .84 sigmas from mean, p-value= .79899 tst no 13: 141365 missing words, -1.27 sigmas from mean, p-value= .10172 tst no 14: 142147 missing words, .56 sigmas from mean, p-value= .71066 tst no 15: 141423 missing words, -1.14 sigmas from mean, p-value= .12792 tst no 16: 142599 missing words, 1.61 sigmas from mean, p-value= .94645 tst no 17: 142520 missing words, 1.43 sigmas from mean, p-value= .92318 tst no 18: 141225 missing words, -1.60 sigmas from mean, p-value= .05492 tst no 19: 141413 missing words, -1.16 sigmas from mean, p-value= .12310 tst no 20: 141194 missing words, -1.67 sigmas from mean, p-value= .04733 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 23 to 32 141802 -.370 .3557 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 22 to 31 141789 -.415 .3391 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 21 to 30 141377 -1.836 .0332 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 20 to 29 142196 .989 .8386 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 19 to 28 142155 .847 .8015 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 18 to 27 142171 .902 .8166 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 17 to 26 141331 -1.994 .0231 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 16 to 25 141565 -1.187 .1175 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 15 to 24 141550 -1.239 .1077 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 14 to 23 142197 .992 .8394 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 13 to 22 141930 .071 .5284 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 12 to 21 141593 -1.091 .1377 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 11 to 20 141585 -1.118 .1317 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 10 to 19 141418 -1.694 .0451 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 9 to 18 141044 -2.984 .0014 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 8 to 17 141908 -.005 .4982 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 7 to 16 141648 -.901 .1838 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 6 to 15 141884 -.087 .4652 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 5 to 14 142362 1.561 .9407 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 4 to 13 141924 .051 .5202 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 3 to 12 141289 -2.139 .0162 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 2 to 11 142145 .813 .7918 OPSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 1 to 10 141728 -.625 .2659 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 28 to 32 142157 .840 .7994 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 27 to 31 141539 -1.255 .1047 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 26 to 30 141511 -1.350 .0885 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 25 to 29 141902 -.025 .4901 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 24 to 28 141674 -.798 .2125 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 23 to 27 141837 -.245 .4032 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 22 to 26 142276 1.243 .8931 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 21 to 25 142511 2.040 .9793 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 20 to 24 142223 1.063 .8562 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 19 to 23 141683 -.767 .2215 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 18 to 22 141936 .090 .5360 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 17 to 21 141337 -1.940 .0262 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 16 to 20 141959 .168 .5669 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 15 to 19 141975 .223 .5881 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 14 to 18 142166 .870 .8079 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 13 to 17 141738 -.581 .2807 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 12 to 16 141628 -.954 .1701 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 11 to 15 141781 -.435 .3318 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 10 to 14 142112 .687 .7540 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 9 to 13 141920 .036 .5144 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 8 to 12 141668 -.818 .2067 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 7 to 11 141655 -.862 .1943 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 6 to 10 141984 .253 .5999 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 5 to 9 141585 -1.099 .1358 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 4 to 8 142013 .351 .6374 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 3 to 7 141833 -.259 .3979 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 2 to 6 141671 -.808 .2096 OQSO for bigsimple.bin using bits 1 to 5 142007 .331 .6297 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 31 to 32 142254 1.017 .8454 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 30 to 31 142326 1.229 .8905 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 29 to 30 142408 1.471 .9294 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 28 to 29 142186 .816 .7928 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 27 to 28 141882 -.081 .4679 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 26 to 27 142132 .657 .7444 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 25 to 26 141958 .144 .5571 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 24 to 25 141857 -.154 .4387 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 23 to 24 141521 -1.146 .1260 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 22 to 23 142664 2.226 .9870 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 21 to 22 141448 -1.361 .0868 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 20 to 21 142090 .533 .7030 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 19 to 20 141867 -.125 .4503 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 18 to 19 141894 -.045 .4820 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 17 to 18 141463 -1.317 .0940 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 16 to 17 141587 -.951 .1708 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 15 to 16 142088 .527 .7009 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 14 to 15 141372 -1.585 .0565 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 13 to 14 141896 -.039 .4843 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 12 to 13 142256 1.023 .8468 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 11 to 12 141172 -2.175 .0148 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 10 to 11 141524 -1.137 .1278 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 9 to 10 141700 -.617 .2685 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 8 to 9 142180 .798 .7877 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 7 to 8 141782 -.376 .3536 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 6 to 7 142054 .427 .6652 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 5 to 6 142370 1.359 .9129 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 4 to 5 142032 .362 .6413 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 3 to 4 141471 -1.293 .0980 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 2 to 3 142013 .306 .6201 DNA for bigsimple.bin using bits 1 to 2 141754 -.458 .3234 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Test results for bigsimple.bin Chi-square with 5^5-5^4=2500 d.of f. for sample size:2560000 chisquare equiv normal p-value Results fo COUNT-THE-1's in successive bytes: byte stream for bigsimple.bin 2480.79 -.272 .392963 byte stream for bigsimple.bin 2544.61 .631 .735960 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Chi-square with 5^5-5^4=2500 d.of f. for sample size: 256000 chisquare equiv normal p value Results for COUNT-THE-1's in specified bytes: bits 1 to 8 2539.84 .563 .713407 bits 2 to 9 2462.74 -.527 .299128 bits 3 to 10 2475.45 -.347 .364216 bits 4 to 11 2352.58 -2.085 .018545 bits 5 to 12 2486.65 -.189 .425128 bits 6 to 13 2473.02 -.382 .351384 bits 7 to 14 2655.21 2.195 .985918 bits 8 to 15 2536.20 .512 .695677 bits 9 to 16 2532.48 .459 .677002 bits 10 to 17 2314.27 -2.627 .004311 bits 11 to 18 2605.76 1.496 .932629 bits 12 to 19 2588.76 1.255 .895302 bits 13 to 20 2486.16 -.196 .422396 bits 14 to 21 2496.38 -.051 .479582 bits 15 to 22 2425.24 -1.057 .145196 bits 16 to 23 2490.05 -.141 .444052 bits 17 to 24 2373.30 -1.792 .036578 bits 18 to 25 2356.86 -2.024 .021470 bits 19 to 26 2557.84 .818 .793310 bits 20 to 27 2590.32 1.277 .899259 bits 21 to 28 2467.57 -.459 .323273 bits 22 to 29 2496.07 -.056 .477834 bits 23 to 30 2530.74 .435 .668114 bits 24 to 31 2474.58 -.360 .359599 bits 25 to 32 2580.29 1.135 .871906 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CDPARK: result of ten tests on file bigsimple.bin Of 12,000 tries, the average no. of successes should be 3523 with sigma=21.9 Successes: 3529 z-score: .274 p-value: .607947 Successes: 3521 z-score: -.091 p-value: .463618 Successes: 3526 z-score: .137 p-value: .554479 Successes: 3536 z-score: .594 p-value: .723613 Successes: 3517 z-score: -.274 p-value: .392053 Successes: 3539 z-score: .731 p-value: .767486 Successes: 3524 z-score: .046 p-value: .518210 Successes: 3513 z-score: -.457 p-value: .323972 Successes: 3541 z-score: .822 p-value: .794438 Successes: 3527 z-score: .183 p-value: .572463 square size avg. no. parked sample sigma 100. 3527.300 8.736 KSTEST for the above 10: p= .804330 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- This is the MINIMUM DISTANCE test for random integers in the file bigsimple.bin Sample no. d^2 avg equiv uni 5 .1930 1.0055 .176285 10 .5596 .9379 .430160 15 1.1844 1.0280 .695890 20 .5422 .8555 .420105 25 .9861 .9044 .628811 30 .2861 .8935 .249863 35 .1485 .9897 .138682 40 .2950 .9306 .256592 45 .6921 .8989 .501193 50 .1139 .9307 .108141 55 1.0898 .9325 .665562 60 .0072 .9084 .007231 65 .6066 .8989 .456462 70 .7895 .9008 .547730 75 .3097 .8698 .267450 80 .4391 .8918 .356821 85 .8823 .8699 .588018 90 .2776 .9121 .243421 95 1.3020 .9192 .729777 100 2.3327 .9325 .904094 MINIMUM DISTANCE TEST for bigsimple.bin Result of KS test on 20 transformed mindist^2's: p-value= .157745 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The 3DSPHERES test for file bigsimple.bin sample no: 1 r^3= 61.647 p-value= .87189 sample no: 2 r^3= 61.307 p-value= .87043 sample no: 3 r^3= 21.447 p-value= .51076 sample no: 4 r^3= 2.684 p-value= .08559 sample no: 5 r^3= 1.207 p-value= .03942 sample no: 6 r^3= 12.684 p-value= .34479 sample no: 7 r^3= 24.098 p-value= .55214 sample no: 8 r^3= .287 p-value= .00951 sample no: 9 r^3= 68.533 p-value= .89817 sample no: 10 r^3= 15.201 p-value= .39751 sample no: 11 r^3= 37.780 p-value= .71616 sample no: 12 r^3= 48.397 p-value= .80076 sample no: 13 r^3= 26.584 p-value= .58775 sample no: 14 r^3= 29.700 p-value= .62842 sample no: 15 r^3= 8.969 p-value= .25841 sample no: 16 r^3= 43.698 p-value= .76697 sample no: 17 r^3= 61.285 p-value= .87034 sample no: 18 r^3= 30.428 p-value= .63733 sample no: 19 r^3= 54.608 p-value= .83802 sample no: 20 r^3= 19.998 p-value= .48655 3DSPHERES test for file bigsimple.bin p-value= .595668 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- RESULTS OF SQUEEZE TEST FOR bigsimple.bin Table of standardized frequency counts ( (obs-exp)/sqrt(exp) )^2 for j taking values <=6,7,8,...,47,>=48: 2.0 .1 1.3 1.6 .8 -1.0 .0 -.1 -2.2 -1.0 -1.9 .7 .5 -.3 .9 -.4 .6 -1.3 .5 -.8 .4 -.2 1.6 -.5 .5 1.6 -.1 .0 -1.1 1.2 .8 .6 .2 -1.0 -.1 2.2 .3 1.1 .5 -1.8 -.6 .0 -1.1 Chi-square with 42 degrees of freedom: 45.808 z-score= .415 p-value= .683048 ______________________________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Test no. 1 p-value .130689 Test no. 2 p-value .697905 Test no. 3 p-value .312460 Test no. 4 p-value .031315 Test no. 5 p-value .961343 Test no. 6 p-value .483192 Test no. 7 p-value .554386 Test no. 8 p-value .960960 Test no. 9 p-value .767135 Test no. 10 p-value .146497 Results of the OSUM test for bigsimple.bin KSTEST on the above 10 p-values: .135933 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The RUNS test for file bigsimple.bin Up and down runs in a sample of 10000 _________________________________________________ Run test for bigsimple.bin : runs up; ks test for 10 p's: .368663 runs down; ks test for 10 p's: .177188 Run test for bigsimple.bin : runs up; ks test for 10 p's: .199189 runs down; ks test for 10 p's: .860525 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Results of craps test for bigsimple.bin No. of wins: Observed Expected 98315 98585.86 Chisq= 26.08 for 20 degrees of freedom, p= .83666 Throws Observed Expected Chisq Sum SUMMARY FOR bigsimple.bin p-value for no. of wins: .112863 p-value for throws/game: .836658 Test 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Use it free for 10 days !! >>>You'll also get our private Website address where you can check >>> for product upgrades and other valuable marketing information. To order our email package, simply print out the EZ ORDER FORM below and fax or mail it to our office today. We accept Checks by Fax and Mail and C.O.D. _________________ EZ Order Form _____Yes! I would like to order MILLIONS Vol. 1 email addresses for only $149.00. All orders are sent by US Priority Mail and we pay the shipping costs! ORDERING OPTIONS *Mail (USPS) *Include a check or money order for the correct amount. *Make the check payable to: Syrynx, Inc. *Include your phone number and/or email address in case we need to contact you. *Mail to: Syrynx, Inc. 500 Lake Avenue Suite 154 Lake Worth, Florida 33460 *C.O.D. *Fill out the order form completely and write/type COD on the form. *Mail the form to the above address or fax to 305-418-7590 *Please have a certified/cashiers check or money order in the amount of $165.00 payable to Syrynx, Inc ready when the order arrives. The additonal $16.00 covers overnight shipping and C.O.D. fees. *Fax *This is the preferred payment method at Syrynx, Inc. *ALL FUNDS ARE TO BE IN USA CURRENCY. *Your order can be received 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. *Print out and complete the following form. *To this form, attach a BLANK CHECK with "VOID" written somewhere on the body of the check. *This gives us the necessary account information to process your order. *Please note that Syrynx, Inc. charges a $40.00 fee for ALL BAD CHECKS. Thank you for your order. Syrynx, Inc. ********** MILLIONS VOL.1 ORDER FORM ********** *You must complete the entire form or your order can not be processed. *You will need to tape the blank check in the space indicated below. *Fill out and sign the authorization section below. *Fax the ENTIRE FORM to (305) 418-7590. *Please, print the following information. First Name: _______________________________________________________ Last Name: _______________________________________________________ Street Address: ___________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ City: ____________________________________________________________ State: _____________________ Zip: _________________________ Phone Number: __________________________________________________ EMail Address: ___________________________________________________ * * * * * * * * * * Authorization * * * * * * * * * * (leave blank for C.O.D. orders) I, ________________________________________________, hereby authorize Syrynx, Inc. to withdraw $________________________ from my checking account, account information enclosed, one time only, for the purchase of the Millions Vol. 1 CD-ROM. I have read and I understand the terms and conditions as stated above. The signature below is the authorized signature of the holder of the checking account. I understand that Syrynx, Inc. charges $40.00 for bad checks. I understand that if the funds are not available in my account, I agree to pay the amount of this order plus the $40.00 fee. (Cash or Certified Funds Only). Authorized Signature _______________________________________________ Date: __________________ order code:mvi *Attach voided, blank check below. (do not attach check for C.O.D. orders) From clarissa0p at hk.super.net Sat Aug 1 17:32:13 1998 From: clarissa0p at hk.super.net (clarissa0p at hk.super.net) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Do you market on the Net? Message-ID: <> Dear Internet Marketer, Are you tired of endlessly posting your ad to online classified sites that just don't get the job done? The fact is there are over 300 such sites scattered about the Web and frankly none of them generate enough traffic to be worth your while. Even when someone does visit one of these sites, your ad is hopelessly lost in a myriad of similar offerings. The true professionals of online marketing have known for some time that nothing creates results the way a direct bulk email campaign does. We have assembled a complete package on one CD-ROM that will enable to get your message out to millions for surprisingly little cost and effort. INTRODUCING...MILLIONS VOL. 1 We took a total of over 92 million email addresses from many of the touted CD's that are out there (bought them all - some were $300+)! We added the millions we had in storage to those. When we combined them all, we had in excess of 100+ million addresses in one huge file. We then ran a super "sort/de-dupe" program against this huge list. It cut the file down to less than 25 million!!! Can you believe that? It seems that most people that are selling CD's are duping the public by putting numerous files of addresses in the CD over and over. This created many duplicate addresses. They also had many program "generated" email addresses like Compuserve, MCI, ANON's, etc. This causes a tremendous amount of undeliverables, and for those that use Stealth programs, clogs up servers quickly with trash, etc. We then ran a program that contained 150+ keywords to remove addresses with vulgarity, profanity, sex-related names, postmaster, webmaster, flamer, abuse, spam, etc., etc. Also eliminated all .edu, mil, .org, .gov, etc. After that list was run against the remaining list, it reduced it down to near 16 million addresses! So, you see, our list will save people hundreds of dollars buying all others that are out there on CD and otherwise. Using ours will be like using the 100+ million that we started with, but a lot less money and a lot less time!! Besides the 16 Million general email address we include over 400,000 TARGETED addresses of Business Opportunity Seekers, MLM'ers and other Internet Marketers. These are people EAGER to hear about your products and services. Other services charge upwards of 5 cents per address for this type of list. We include it at no extra extra charge when you purchase Millions Vol. 1 We also included a 5+ million "Remove/Flamer" file broken into seperate files for ease of extracting and adding to your own database of removes. To help you manage your email lists, you'll find a fully functional evaluation copy of BulkMate 4.05 on your CD. BulkMate is an indispensible tool for the serious bulk mailer. Among its 10 utilites are the ability to filter any address list against a remove list, sort any list alphabetically and automatically remove dupes, remove specific domains from any list and count the number of addresses in each list. "You can buy from the REST or you can buy from the BEST. Your choice. _____________________________ What our clients are saying: "I received the CD on Friday evening. Like a kid with a new toy, I immediately started bulking out using the new email addresses. Over the course of the weekend, I emailed out over 500,000 emails and I received less than TWENTY undeliverables!! I am totally satisfied with my purchase!! Thanks Syrynx!!" Dave Buckley Houston, TX "This list is worth it's weight in gold!! I sent out 10,000 emails for my product and received 185 orders! Ann Colby New Orleans, LA "I am absolutely delighted! Your support is first rate. When I needed help you were there for me. I got a real person on the phone. I've been marketing my product now for two weeks and can't believe how many orders I've received. I can't thank you enough! Gail Swanton Boston, MA **************************************** HERE'S THE BOTTOM LINE Here is what you get when you order today! >> 16 Million Email Addresses... 1 per line in simple text format on a CD. Files are in lots of 100,000 (no codes needed to open files). All files are separated by domain name for your convenience. PLUS you receive a tremendous REMOVE list! AND Over 400,000 Targeted email addresses. AND The sampling of CyberPromo's HOT list. AND BulkMate 4.05 The ultimate mail management tool. >>> NOW ONLY $149.00! All lists are completely free of any Duplicates. We also on a continual basis, add New Names and Remove Undeliverables and Remove Requests. The result is the Cleanest Email Addresses Available Anywhere to use over and over again, for a FRACTION of the cost that other companies charge. Typical rates for acquiring email lists are from 1 cent to as high as 3 cents per email address - that's "INFORMATION HIGHWAY" ROBBERY!. Don't even hesitate on this one or you will miss out on the most effective way to market anywhere..PERIOD! >>>As a special bonus we've included the entire suite of Earthonline >>>bulk email and marketing software demos on the CD. Including >>>the latest version of the DirectMail mailer. Use it free for 10 days !! >>>You'll also get our private Website address where you can check >>> for product upgrades and other valuable marketing information. To order our email package, simply print out the EZ ORDER FORM below and fax or mail it to our office today. We accept Checks by Fax and Mail and C.O.D. _________________ EZ Order Form _____Yes! I would like to order MILLIONS Vol. 1 email addresses for only $149.00. All orders are sent by US Priority Mail and we pay the shipping costs! ORDERING OPTIONS *Mail (USPS) *Include a check or money order for the correct amount. *Make the check payable to: Syrynx, Inc. *Include your phone number and/or email address in case we need to contact you. *Mail to: Syrynx, Inc. 500 Lake Avenue Suite 154 Lake Worth, Florida 33460 *C.O.D. *Fill out the order form completely and write/type COD on the form. *Mail the form to the above address or fax to 305-418-7590 *Please have a certified/cashiers check or money order in the amount of $165.00 payable to Syrynx, Inc ready when the order arrives. The additonal $16.00 covers overnight shipping and C.O.D. fees. *Fax *This is the preferred payment method at Syrynx, Inc. *ALL FUNDS ARE TO BE IN USA CURRENCY. *Your order can be received 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. *Print out and complete the following form. *To this form, attach a BLANK CHECK with "VOID" written somewhere on the body of the check. *This gives us the necessary account information to process your order. *Please note that Syrynx, Inc. charges a $40.00 fee for ALL BAD CHECKS. Thank you for your order. Syrynx, Inc. ********** MILLIONS VOL.1 ORDER FORM ********** *You must complete the entire form or your order can not be processed. *You will need to tape the blank check in the space indicated below. *Fill out and sign the authorization section below. *Fax the ENTIRE FORM to (305) 418-7590. *Please, print the following information. First Name: _______________________________________________________ Last Name: _______________________________________________________ Street Address: ___________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ City: ____________________________________________________________ State: _____________________ Zip: _________________________ Phone Number: __________________________________________________ EMail Address: ___________________________________________________ * * * * * * * * * * Authorization * * * * * * * * * * (leave blank for C.O.D. orders) I, ________________________________________________, hereby authorize Syrynx, Inc. to withdraw $________________________ from my checking account, account information enclosed, one time only, for the purchase of the Millions Vol. 1 CD-ROM. I have read and I understand the terms and conditions as stated above. The signature below is the authorized signature of the holder of the checking account. I understand that Syrynx, Inc. charges $40.00 for bad checks. I understand that if the funds are not available in my account, I agree to pay the amount of this order plus the $40.00 fee. (Cash or Certified Funds Only). Authorized Signature _______________________________________________ Date: __________________ order code:mvi *Attach voided, blank check below. (do not attach check for C.O.D. orders) From stuffed at stuffed.net Sat Aug 1 18:17:38 1998 From: stuffed at stuffed.net (STUFFED/EUREKA!) Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Virgin rebirth/Penis pong/Beaver boy Message-ID: <19980801081100.8187.qmail@eureka.abc-web.com> Welcome to today's issue of Stuffed. To read it you should click on the URL below. If it is not made clickable by your email program you will need to use your mouse to highlight the line, copy it and then paste it into your browser (then press Return). http://stuffed.net/98/8/1/ If you have an email program that can display web pages you will find today's front cover should have already been disp- layed and can be clicked on to take you straight to Stuffed. This email is never sent unsolicited. Stuffed is the supplement for the Eureka newsletter you subscribed to. Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka! From sahazali at ew.mimos.my Sun Aug 2 00:24:35 1998 From: sahazali at ew.mimos.my (sahazali at ew.mimos.my) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 00:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Find out what "They" don't want you to know!!! Message-ID: <01658742211308922@g_hipkernia.com> Dear Friend: If you have already responded to the following announcement a few days ago, that means your package is already on its way and it should be arriving soon! If you have not responded to this before, please pay attention to it now. This is very important!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT IMPORTANT ACCOUNCEMENT ''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''''''''''''''''''''''''' Your future May Depend on it ! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Before you know about this 'Important Announcement', you must first read the following 'Editorial Excerpts' from some important publications in the United States: NBC NIGHTLY NEWS: "Members of 'World Currency Cartel', who always keep a low profile, are considered to be some of the most wealthiest people in North America". "In concluding our review of Financial organizations to effect change in the 90's, special attention should be called to a California based organization, 'WORLD CURRENCY CARTEL'. Members of this organization are amassing hundred of millions of dollars in the currency market using a very LEGAL method which has NEVER been divulged to the general public. While their purpose is not yet known, their presence has most certainly been felt". More excerpts later, but first let us give you this very 'IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT": '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' We are glad to announce that for the first time and for a very short period of time, WORLD CURRENCY CARTEL will instruct a LIMITED number of people worldwide on 'HOW TO CONVERT $25 INTO ONE HUNDRED OF LEGAL CURRENCY'. We will transact the first conversion for you, after that you can easily and quickly do this on your own hundreds or even thousands of times every month. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS "SECRET FLAW" ! ****************************************************************** ****************************************************************** It is even more explosive than we have yet disclosed. While currency does fluctuate daily, we can show you 'HOW TO CONVERT $99 INTO $588 AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT'. That means, you will be able to EXCHANGE $99, AMERICAN LEGAL CURRENCY DOLLARS, FOR $580 OF THE SAME. You can do this as many times as you wish, every day, every week, every month. All very LEGAL and effortlessly! It takes only 5 to 10 minutes each time you do this. You can do this from home, office or even while traveling. All you need is an access to a phone line and an address. Best of all, you can do this from ANY CITY ON THIS EARTH!!! Again, we must reiterate, anyone can do this and the source is NEVER-ENDING. For as long as the global financial community continues to use different currencies with varying exchange rates, the "SECRET FLAW" will exist. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we said earlier , we will do the first transaction for you and will show you exactly how to do this on your own, over and over again! The amount of exchange you would do each time is entirely up to you. Working just 2 to 10 hours a week, you can soon join the list of Millionaires who do this on a daily basis many times a day. The transaction is so simple that even a high school kid can do it! We at the World Currency Cartel would like to see a uniform global currency backed by Gold. But, until then, we will allow a LIMITED number of individuals worldwide to share in the UNLIMITED PROFITS provided for by the world currency differentials. We will espouse no more political views nor will we ask you to do so. We can say however, that our parent organization, NDML, benefits greatly by the knowledge being shared, as we ourselves, along with YOU, benefit likewise. Your main concern surely will be, how you will benefit. As soon as you become a member, you will make transactions from your home, office, by telephone or through the mail. You can conduct these transactions even while traveling. Don't believe us? Experience it for yourself! ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;; Unlike anyone else, we will assure you great financial freedom and you will add to our quickly growing base of supporters and join the list of MILLIONAIRES being created using this very "SECRET FLAW" in the world currency market. ****************************************************************** ****************************************************************** DON'T ENVY US, JOIN US TODAY!!! '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' There is a one time membership fee of only $195. BUT, if you join us by Aug 15th, 1998, you can join us for only $25 administrative cost. Your important documents, instructions, contact name/address, phone number and all other pertinent information will be mailed to you immediately. So take advantage and join us today. (If you are replying after Aug 15th, you must pay $195.00 for the membership fee. NO EXCEPTIONS, and no more E-mail inquiries please). Upon becoming a member, you promise to keep all infos CONFIDENTIAL! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Should you choose to cancel your membership for any reason, you must return all papers/documents for a refund within 60 days. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~-- IMPORTANT: **************** 1...Please write your name & mailing address VERY CLEARLY on a paper 2...Below your mailing address, please write your E-mail address 3...At the top left hand corner, please write the words "NEW MEMBER" 4...Attach a CHECK or MONEY ORDER for $25 + $10 for the shipping and handling of documents (TOTAL = $35.00) Outside US add $10 (TOTAL = $45) PAYABLE TO "EBSN" and mail to: EBSN PO BOX 66 ROSELLE PARK, NJ 07204 }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Here are some more 'Editorial Excerpts': ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ WALL STREET: "A discreet group of Americans, operating under the guise of World Currency Cartel have recently begun making rumbles in world finance market. While at this time, their game is not completely known, they certainly will be watched by those making major moves in the currency contracts". FINANCIAL WEEK: "Watch them, monitor them, extract their knowledge and try to become one of them. That is the soundest financial advice we could give to anyone". NATIONAL BUSINESS WEEKLY: "While this reporter has been left in the cold as to its method of operation, we have been able to confirm that 'World Currency Cartel' and its members are literally amassing great fortunes overnight". $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$END$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. We thankfully credit DIAMOND INT. for the content of this IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT. From seffraim at hotmail.com Sun Aug 2 03:39:19 1998 From: seffraim at hotmail.com (seffraim at hotmail.com) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 03:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Please review this information, you won't regret ! ! Message-ID: <199808021036.RAA18884@jupiter.centrin.net.id> X-Info: X-Info:Sent using Zenith Bulk Emailer (FREE) Please accept my apology if this was sent to you in error! The main reason for this letter is to convince you that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, and is a way to get a considerable amount of money in a short time. I was approached several times before I checked this out. I joined just to see what one could expect in return for the minimal effort and money required. *************************************************************** You are about to make up to $50,000-In less than 90 days Read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN! *************************************************************** This is the letter that got my attention. Read on and I'm sure you will agree that this is a great plan! Dear Friend, The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through my Fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it. Please do the same. It's so simple to do. And you won't be left out in the cold to figure it all out yourself. Look further down in this letter for the information you will receive from * Abot Marketing. They give you 10,000 fresh email addresses and give you the locations of the best software (FREE SOFTWARE) to send out large quantities of email. (normally this kind of software is several hundred dollars) They even give you easy to understand, proven, step by step instructions for success with this program. In fact, they helped me get started and I'm so thankful. It's hard to belive that this as simple as it is, but it really is SIMPLE. You will even get support from them via email anytime you need it. You won't get this kind of help from other programs of this nature. It makes all the difference in the world. My name is Anne Bowman. I am 31-year-old graduate student desperately trying to finish my degree and begin working in my chosen field--that is, if I am lucky enough to find a job in the crowded market. Like most people in this day and age, it is hard to make ends meet, and being a student does not help the situation at all ( If I ever have to buy one more box of macaroni and cheese I think I would have to scream). I returned to school after having worked for several years with little potential for achieving what I had expected out of life. I figured if I returned to school and received my Ph.D there would be several pportunities for me out there to achieve my goals. After seeing my fellow graduate students receive their degrees and, depressingly, not find respectable positions in their chosen field I began to think, "Oh no not again!" Four extra years in school and an extra $20,000 in student loans on top of the first $18,000, what will I do if the same happens to me?" I began to doubt my patience for the long term investment in schooling, and decided enough was enough, "Why can't I make real money now instead of waiting to graduate with no guarantee of a lucrative return for all of my efforts!" I am writing to share my experience with other hopeful students out there, as well as ANYONE looking for an pportunity to take their financial situation into their own hands. I hope you will consider this opportunity seriously and that this will change your life FOREVER!.., FINANCIALLY!!! And once you get started it takes so little of your time. In mid October 97 I received this program. I didn't send for it,or ask for it, they just got my name off a mailing list. I TOOK THIS AS A SIGN!!! After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading it correctly, it made perfect sense. Here was a MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start (about as much as it costs for a pizza!), without putting me further in debt. After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. After determining that the program is LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided "I HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE". Initially I sent 15,000 emails, (without any costs to me) only a couple of hours of my time on-line. The great thing about email is that I didn't need any money for printing to send out the program, only the time to fulfill my orders. There is a vast on-line market available to everyone who owns a computer. Following the advice of the person from whom I received this letter, I am telling you like it is, and I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it cost me! After you receive the reports they should explain everything to you. You may have some general questions, however, and after I send you REPORT #1 , please feel free to contact me and I will give you any advice you need. In one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1. By mid November, I had received 40 orders for REPORT #1. When you read the GUARANTEE in the program you will see that "YOU MUST RECEIVE 15 TO 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS IF YOU DON'T SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first step in making $50,000 in 20 to 90 days was done. By the beginning of December, I had received 174 orders for REPORT #2. If you go back to the GUARANTEE. "YOU MUST RECEIVE 100 OR MORE ORDERS FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN TWO WEEKS. IF NOT SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL". Well, I had 174 orders for REPORT #2, 74 more than I needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By January 20th, of my emailing of 15,000, I received $54,000 with more coming in ever day. The great thing about this program is you can begin the process over and over again without any limit on potential income! I paid off ALL my student loans, and together with everything I have learned in school, I am now saving in order to open up my own business related to my field as soon as I graduate. Please take time to read the attached program. IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not trying to place your name in a different place on the list. It doesn't work, you'll lose out on a lot of money! REPORT #2 explains this. ALWAYS follow the guarantee, 15 to 20 orders of REPORT #1 and 100 or more orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 20 to 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!! If you choose not to participate in this program, I'm sorry, It really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your way to financial security. To my fellow graduate students out there, good luck to you and I sympathize. And to all other persons in financial trouble consider this letter a sign and please take advantage of this opportunity. YOU WON'T BE DISAPPOINTED! Sincerely, Anne Bowman The following testimonial was at the bottom of this letter but it was too good to leave down there so I moved it up here. It is exactly how I felt at first and and feel now. "The first week after I started this program was torture. I couldnt wait to see if it was really going to work after I mailed out my first batch of letters. I chuckle every day now when I walk out of the post office with my envelopes. This is so easy, I still can't belive it's happenning!" Don Masterson, Troy,NY $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ >From here down is the instruction portion of this letter... This is a LEGAL, MONEY-MAKING PHENOMENON. PRINT this letter, read the directions, THEN READ IT AGAIN !!! You are about to embark on the most profitable and unique program you may ever see. Many times over, it has demonstrated and proven its ability to generate large amounts of cash. This program is showing fantastic appeal with a huge and ever-growing on-line population desirous of additional income. This is a legitimate, LEGAL, money-making opportunity. It does not require you to come in contact with people, do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to leave the house, except to get the mail and go to the bank! This truly is that lucky break you've been waiting for! Simply follow the easy instructions in this letter, and your financial dreams will come true! When followed correctly, this electronic, multi-level marketing program works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME! Thousands of people have used this program to: - Raise capital to start their own business - Pay off debts - Buy homes, cars, etc., - Even retire! This is your chance, so don't pass it up! ---------------------------------------------------------------- OVERVIEW OF THIS EXTRAORDINARY ELECTRONIC MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING PROGRAM ---------------------------------------------------------------- Basically, this is what we do: We send thousands of people a product for $5.00 that costs next to nothing to produce and e-mail. As with all multi-level businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners and selling our products. Every state in the U.S. allows you to recruit new multi- level business online (via your computer). The products in this program are a series of four business and financial reports costing $5.00 each. Each order you receive via "snail mail" will include: * $5.00 cash * The name and number of the report they are ordering * The e-mail address where you will e-mail them the report they ordered. To fill each order, you simply e-mail the product to the buyer. The $5.00 is yours! This is the most EASIEST electronic multi-level marketing business anywhere! FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS TO THE LETTER AND BE PREPARED TO REAP THE STAGGERING BENEFITS! ******* I N S T R U C T I O N S ******* This is what you MUST do: 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them if you don't order them). * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR RETURN POSTAL ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears on the list next to the report. * When you place your order, make sure you order each of the four reports. You will need all four reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them. * Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the four reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other than is instructed below in steps "a" through "d" or you will lose out on the majority of your profits. ONCE YOU UNDERSTAND THE WAY THIS WORKS, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHY IT DOESN'T WORK IF YOU CHANGE IT. Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it, it will not work. a. Look below for the listing of available reports. b. After you've ordered the four reports, replace the name and address under REPORT #1 with your name and address, moving the one that was there down to REPORT #2. c. Move the name and address that was under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3. d. Move the name and address that was under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4. e. The name and address that was under REPORT #4 is removed from the list and has NO DOUBT collected their 50 grand. Please make sure you copy everyone's name and address ACCURATELY!!! 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the INSTRUCTION portion of this letter. 4. Now you're ready to start an advertising campaign on the Internet! Advertising on the Internet is very, very inexpensive, and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise, but email has, by far, proven itself to be the best medium for this program. And the emailers best friend is e-mail lists. You can buy these lists for under $20/20,000 addresses or you can pay someone a minimal charge to take care of the mailing for you. BE SURE TO START YOUR AD CAMPAIGN IMMEDIATELY! Each day that passes while you think about it is a day without profit. 5. For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! ------------------------------------------ AVAILABLE REPORTS ------------------------------------------ ***Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME*** Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH FOR EACH REPORT - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least two sheets of paper!!! - On one of those sheets of paper, include: (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your postal address. (using your printer is the best way to do this) _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #1 "HOW TO MAKE $250,000 THROUGH MULTILEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #1 FROM: Sony Effraim PO BOX 9323 JATDK JKT 13550 INDONESIA _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #2 "MAJOR CORPORATIONS AND MULTILEVEL SALES" ORDER REPORT #2 FROM: Christian S PO BOX 1092, JKB 11010 INDONESIA *****IMPORTANT NOTE***** - US Dollar currency only please - Once again, make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least "two" sheets of paper! _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #3 "SOURCES FOR THE BEST MAILING LISTS" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM: J.F.J P.O. Box 342 McCormick, SC 29835-0342 USA _________________________________________________________________ REPORT #4 "EVALUATING MULTILEVEL SALES PLANS" ORDER REPORT #4 FROM: Matt G 3801 Brooklyn Ave. NE #A102-1 Seattle, WA 98105 USA _________________________________________________________________ * Abot Marketing PO BOX 2523 Chapel Hill, NC 27515-2523 USA ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PLAN WILL MAKE YOU $MONEY$ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's say you decide to start small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 down line members. Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below. 1st level--your 10 members with$5...................................$50 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)..................$500 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)..........$5,000 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000)...$50,000 THIS TOTALS----------->$55,550 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants! THINK ABOUT IT! Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely you can afford $20 for a chance to make $ 55,000). You obviously already have an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE!!! REPORT# 3 shows you the most productive methods for bulk e-mailing and purchasing e-mail lists. Some list & bulk e-mail vendors even work on trade! About 50,000 new people get online every month! *******TIPS FOR SUCCESS******* * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and follow the directions accurately. * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report to comply with the U.S. Postal & Lottery Laws, Title 18,Sections 1302 and 1341 or Title 18, Section 3005 in the U.S. Code, also Code of Federal Regs. Vol.. 16, Sections 255 and 436, which state that "a product or service must be exchanged for money received." * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the instructions exactly, the results WILL undoubtedly be SUCCESSFUL! * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED! *******YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINE******* Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH HOW IMPORTANT THIS NEXT SECTION IS!!!! If you don't receive 10 to 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue advertising until you do. Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT #2. If you don't, continue advertising until you do. Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to generate more income, send another batch of e-mails and start the whole process again! There is no limit to the income you will generate from this business! NOTE: If you need help with starting a busi *** Get The Zen Bulk Emailer FREE - Where To Get it *** *** FAX/CALL +1 212 2082904 (US) or FAX +44 (01772) 492507 (UK) *** *** Or Download From FireFox Freeware *** From stuffed at stuffed.net Sun Aug 2 06:00:29 1998 From: stuffed at stuffed.net (STUFFED/EUREKA!) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 06:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Virgin rebirth/Penis pong/Beaver boy Message-ID: <19980801151300.10679.qmail@eureka.abc-web.com> Welcome to today's issue of Stuffed. To read it you should click on the URL below. If it is not made clickable by your email program you will need to use your mouse to highlight the line, copy it and then paste it into your browser (then press Return). http://stuffed.net/98/8/1/ If you have an email program that can display web pages you will find today's front cover should have already been disp- layed and can be clicked on to take you straight to Stuffed. This email is never sent unsolicited. Stuffed is the supplement for the Eureka newsletter you subscribed to. Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka! From catrancher at hotmail.com Sun Aug 2 13:59:26 1998 From: catrancher at hotmail.com (Count of Monte Carlo) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 13:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Enough to make you puke: gore on privacy Message-ID: <19980802205852.8900.qmail@hotmail.com> `one of the worst things to happen to privacy since Alan Funt' Friday July 31 12:24 PM EDT Gore Seeks New Web Privacy Laws TED BRIDIS Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Calling privacy a ``basic American value,'' Vice President Al Gore pressed today for new federal laws to prevent companies from collecting personal information from children who use Internet Web sites, chat rooms and e-mail. Among its first steps toward crafting an ``Electronic Bill of Rights,'' the Clinton administration also wants to suspend plans to assign every American a health-care ID number and proposed a new role for the Office of Management and Budget in writing privacy rules. Gore said citizens' rights to decide whether to allow companies to collect personal information, dictate what type of data is collected and review it for accuracy ``do not have sufficient protections by a long shot.'' Gore, who first described such a bill of rights in May, pressed for new laws against identity fraud and for new protections of consumer credit reports. ``Privacy is a basic American value, in the information age and in every age,'' Gore said. ``It must be protected. We need an electronic bill of rights for this electronic age.'' Gore said the announcements ``will make technology consistent with America's oldest values.'' Privacy has become a politically popular issue, amid growing concern among Americans about high-tech intrusions into their personal lives. ``We're beginning to see the flesh put on the bones,'' said Deirdre Mulligan, a privacy specialist at the Center for Democracy and Technology in Washington. ``These are very specific proposals that respond to issues that advocates and the public have raised.'' Critics have complained about a 1996 law that would assign everyone a computer number to track health care from birth to death, noting that it allows insurance companies, doctors, drug stores and others to release medical records for broadly defined ``health care operations.'' Gore today called it ``one of the worst things to happen to privacy since Alan Funt,'' who created the ``Candid Camera'' television series. ``It appears the White House is at least beginning to take privacy seriously,'' said Barry Steinhardt, president of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group. He called it ``a very important step that significantly improves the outlook for medical privacy.'' Children on the Internet would find new protections under Gore's plans. Federal regulators said this summer that many companies collect personal information from children online, sometimes asking for their names and e-mail addresses - even questions about their personal finances - using animated characters or as an incentive to join a contest or play a game. ``You don't do business with an 11-year-old without parental consent,'' said Robert Pitofsky, chairman of the Federal Trade Commission, which already has asked Congress for new laws limiting how Web sites collect information from kids. ``The information that is requested on these Web sites appears to be so innocent, very harmless,'' said Sen. Richard Bryan, D-Nev., who introduced a bill that would require companies to obtain a parent's permission before they collect information from children under 12. ``But they do invade a family's privacy and raise safety concerns.'' The White House is not calling for relaxed restrictions on powerful data-scrambling technology, called encryption, which helps keep e-mail and other messages confidential but also can be used by criminals. ``On the main privacy issues, the ones that confront the country today, the administration is still reluctant to make the hard decisions,'' said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, which has lobbied for broader use of encryption. The administration also is pledging its support for the online industry to find ways to better protect the privacy of adults on the Web, such as recent efforts by the Online Privacy Alliance, a newly formed group of 50 companies and trade groups that include Microsoft, America Online and IBM. Gore recently warned computer industry executives that if self-regulation does not work, ``we will be obliged to take action ourselves.'' The FTC told Congress it should pass tough new privacy laws for adults if the industry's own efforts do not improve by year's end. Advocates generally praised plans for the new federal privacy office, but noted that OMB - the new office's parent agency - has itself been criticized for failing to enforce existing federal privacy laws. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From honig at m7.sprynet.com Sun Aug 2 14:02:44 1998 From: honig at m7.sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 14:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: commercial cryptanalysis software Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980802133653.007c5e90@m7.sprynet.com> http://www.dgsciences.com/codeclas.htm Seems to be commercial TLA tools. honig at alum.mit.edu "Speech is not protected simply because it is written in a language" Federal Misjudge Gwin on the Bernstein Case From stuffed at stuffed.net Sun Aug 2 18:55:15 1998 From: stuffed at stuffed.net (STUFFED/EUREKA!) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fake fondler found out/Miss suckerator '98 Message-ID: <19980802081100.24689.qmail@eureka.abc-web.com> Welcome to today's issue of Stuffed. To read it you should click on the URL below. If it is not made clickable by your email program you will need to use your mouse to highlight the line, copy it and then paste it into your browser (then press Return). http://stuffed.net/98/8/2/ If you have an email program that can display web pages you will find today's front cover should have already been disp- layed and can be clicked on to take you straight to Stuffed. This email is never sent unsolicited. Stuffed is the supplement for the Eureka newsletter you subscribed to. Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka! From windy at gloryroad.net Sun Aug 2 20:25:19 1998 From: windy at gloryroad.net (windy) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: pcanywhere In-Reply-To: <199808011921.PAA06390@dewdrop2.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <35C4F428.693E540D@gloryroad.net> I was wondering if any of you could help me find a copy of a great little program called PcAnywhere.... any help and/or comments would be appreciated... loner From bill.stewart at pobox.com Sun Aug 2 23:39:38 1998 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 23:39:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: pcanywhere In-Reply-To: <199808011921.PAA06390@dewdrop2.mindspring.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980802233729.00c43140@popd.ix.netcom.com> At 11:20 PM 8/2/98 +0000, windy wrote: > I was wondering if any of you could help me find a copy of a great >little program called PcAnywhere.... > >any help and/or comments would be appreciated... It's a commercial program - try Egghead. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639 From jimcook at panix.com Mon Aug 3 01:18:17 1998 From: jimcook at panix.com (Jim Cook) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RFC re simple anti-censorship strategy Message-ID: <3.0.3.16.19980803041803.483765ba@panix.com> (copy posted to alt.cypherpunks) Motivated by Chiquita's recent censorship of the Cincinnati Inquirer -- and more generally by the challenge of making suppressed documents available on the web without exposing webmasters or their ISPs to legal liability -- I've developed a simple strategy. The approach is similar to Adam Back's Eternity Service in that it combines anonymous posts to Usenet with a news-to-web interface. Unlike Adam's approach, posts are not encrypted -- and are therefore easier to find and cancel. OTOH, this approach is easier, and does not require root privileges, to implement Please see for the demonstration. I welcome comments. Jim Cook Consulting in the Public Interest Home Info re Globalization PGP Public Key From bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph Mon Aug 3 01:34:25 1998 From: bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph (Bernardo B. Terrado) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 01:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question.... In-Reply-To: <199807310655.IAA08821@replay.com> Message-ID: How does a hardware encryption device work? Does it need human intervention to convert a plaintext to ciphertext or do we still give the instructions? Correct me if I'm wrong, the key escrow is a hardware encryption device. That's all for now, thanks. Bernie =============================================================================== You give the words you have spoken, it is not lended and are not taken back. It is like what The Corrs sung "...you're forgiven not forgotten...." From bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph Mon Aug 3 02:19:05 1998 From: bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph (Bernardo B. Terrado) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:19:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: question... In-Reply-To: <199807310655.IAA08821@replay.com> Message-ID: I tried to access the document but I only got an error message. Is it still online? The file.... GTMHH1-4.html is it 1 or l(letter). Thanks!! Bernie =============================================================================== You give the words you have spoken, it is not lended and are not taken back. It is like what The Corrs sung "...you're forgiven not forgotten...." bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph bbt at peak-two.uplb.edu.ph metaphone at altavista.net From patti468 at hotmail.com Mon Aug 3 02:36:51 1998 From: patti468 at hotmail.com (patti468 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don't Miss These! Message-ID: Attention! Warning! Adults Only! Warning! Adults Only! If you are under 21 years of age, or not interested in sexually explicit material... please hit your keyboard delete button now and please excuse the intrusion. 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[C] Copyright TCPS 1998 From bogus@does.not.exist.com Sun Aug 2 11:37:28 1998 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com (Merlyn At Camelot) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 02:37:28 +0800 Subject: (fwd) IBM's committment to UNIXIBM's committment to UNIX Message-ID: <35c4bec2.5318772@cesvxa.ces.edu> An embedded message was scrubbed... From: unknown sender Subject: no subject Date: no date Size: 1299 URL: From Nina.Huupponen at DataFellows.com Mon Aug 3 05:50:11 1998 From: Nina.Huupponen at DataFellows.com (Nina Huupponen) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Data Fellows introduces F-Secure NameSurfer version 2.0 Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980803150022.00b3bbd0@smtp.datafellows.com> For immediate release 3 August 1998 DATA FELLOWS INTRODUCES F-SECURE NAMESURFER VERSION 2.0 Helsinki, Finland, August 3rd, 1998 -- Data Fellows, the global leader in Internet security solutions, has today announced F-Secure Namesurfer 2.0, a new version of its DNS (Domain Name System) management tool. DNS translates host names to IP addresses, which makes it a critical component of IP-based networks. F-Secure NameSurfer provides network managers with an easy-to-use Web interface for DNS administration, saving time and maintenance resources. Its intuitive graphical user interface and automatic error checking prevent network managers from generating faulty DNS data. Faulty DNS data can bring down an entire IP network, so accurate DNS data is essential for reliable and secure intranets and Internet. F-Secure NameSurfer 2.0 has been extensively restructured to achieve peerless performance, especially in large DNS installations. The new version can prevent a network manager from creating records with IP addresses that fall outside his own network. Thus, ISPs can grant their customers permission to change addresses, with the assurance that customers will stay within their own network zone. F-Secure NameSurfer provides significant savings in network management. 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About Data Fellows Data Fellows is one of the world�s leading developers of data security software. The company�s ground-breaking F-Secure products provide a unique combination of globally available strong encryption and revolutionary anti-virus software. The integrated F-Secure software family provides complete security solutions for enterprises of any size. It includes file encryption and IPsec communication encryption products, VPN gateways, SSH-based secure remote management software, easy-to-use solutions for distributed DNS management, and a full range of anti-virus products for workstations, servers and gateways. Data Fellows is the developer of the award-winning F-PROT Professional anti-virus product, whose scanning engine is an integral part of the multiple engine structure of F-Secure Anti-Virus. Data Fellows has offices in San Jose, California, and Helsinki, Finland. It maintains a worldwide network of technical support, training and distribution in over 80 countries. Since the company was founded in 1988, its annual net sales growth has consistently been over 80%. Data Fellows belongs to an elite group of companies with a triple-A rating from Dun & Bradstreet. The company is privately owned. For further information, please contact: USA: Data Fellows Inc. Mr. Pirkka Palomaki, Product Manager Tel. +1 408 938 6700 Fax +1 408 938 6701 E-mail: Pirkka.Palomaki at DataFellows.com Europe: Data Fellows Oy Mr. Jukka Kotovirta, Director of Sales PL 24 FIN-02231 ESPOO Tel. +358 9 859 900 Fax +358 9 8599 0599 E-mail: Jukka.Kotovirta at DataFellows.com From nobody at replay.com Mon Aug 3 06:03:26 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: question... Message-ID: <199808031303.PAA13754@replay.com> http://newdata.box.sk/neworder/harmless/GTMHH1-4.TXT http://newdata.box.sk/neworder/harmless/GTMHH1-5.TXT If those two don't work try: http://neworder.box.sk/cgi-bin/marek/box/box?pwd=&prj=neworder&gfx=neworder&txt=%23Guide+to+%28mostly%29+harmless+hacking&key=gtmhh&fil=*&lan=e&userpwd= this will give you a long list of hacking texts. Scroll down to 1-4 and 1-5 on how to get spammers kicked off their ISP :) ---"Bernardo B. Terrado" wrote: > > I tried to access the document but > I only got an error message. > > Is it still online? > > > The file.... GTMHH1-4.html is it 1 or l(letter). > > Thanks!! > > > Bernie > > > > > > =============================================================================== > You give the words you have spoken, > it is not lended and are not taken back. > It is like what The Corrs sung "...you're forgiven not forgotten...." > > bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph > bbt at peak-two.uplb.edu.ph > metaphone at altavista.net > > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From nobody at replay.com Mon Aug 3 06:15:22 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:15:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question.... Message-ID: <199808031315.PAA15001@replay.com> ---"Bernardo B. Terrado" wrote: > > How does a hardware encryption device work? > If the Encryption is done on a device attached to your computer instead of in software on your computer. > > Does it need human intervention to convert a plaintext to ciphertext > or do we still give the instructions? Depends on the device. But most require some effort. > > Correct me if I'm wrong, the key escrow is a hardware encryption device. > Key Escrow is an action taken by the government to collect or gain access to private keys. There was some controversy as to the clipper chip which is hardware falling prey to key escrow however. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From stuffed at stuffed.net Mon Aug 3 06:24:09 1998 From: stuffed at stuffed.net (STUFFED/EUREKA!) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 06:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fake fondler found out/Miss suckerator '98 Message-ID: <19980802151300.21971.qmail@eureka.abc-web.com> Welcome to today's issue of Stuffed. To read it you should click on the URL below. If it is not made clickable by your email program you will need to use your mouse to highlight the line, copy it and then paste it into your browser (then press Return). http://stuffed.net/98/8/2/ If you have an email program that can display web pages you will find today's front cover should have already been disp- layed and can be clicked on to take you straight to Stuffed. This email is never sent unsolicited. Stuffed is the supplement for the Eureka newsletter you subscribed to. Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka! From zeroint at birmingham.crosswinds.net Mon Aug 3 07:23:58 1998 From: zeroint at birmingham.crosswinds.net (ZeroInt) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:23:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: commercial cryptanalysis software In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980802133653.007c5e90@m7.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <199808031423.HAA07894@toad.com> Speaking of which, I have been trying to find some cryptanalisys software for a while now, but no luck. Does anyone have a url for me? Regards PGP Fingerprints: 99EB 330B B517 F5A3 CDD3 875D CDB6 8621 - 0x2A47CAAF BCBF 8B61 551E 4A75 C3A7 9192 C158 0774 EB5A 746D - 0xEB5A746D PGP encrypted mail preferred From wombat at mcfeely.bsfs.org Sun Aug 2 16:29:25 1998 From: wombat at mcfeely.bsfs.org (Rabid Wombat) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:29:25 +0800 Subject: Paul Merrill, his eyes uncovered! (or so he claims) In-Reply-To: <199808022219.AAA09511@replay.com> Message-ID: Or you could get back on your medication. On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Anonymous wrote: > On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Paul H. Merrill wrote: > > > Never has a single missive opened my eyes so thououghly. > > > > First, I had always thought that libertarians were somewhat equivalent > > to my personal philosophy of Rational Anarchism. Thanks to your pearly > > prose I now know that libertarians are not rational. I attribute my > > failure to notice this in the past to the plethora of > > pseudo-libertarians (like Tim May) that have a brain and can say > > something beyond "What I want is right and you are wrong". > > > > Second, I now recognize fully the signs of masked inferiority. Any > > attempt to allow the unwashed masses access to computer technology is > > met with contempt and belittlement. Personally, I do not fear what > > others may be able to accomplish if they have a tool that they have the > > ability to use. > > Despite your mentality, I resist the urge to hope that you should learn > from practical experience what is apparently eluding you. That would > probably take the general form of you being in an automobile accident and > getting killed because the idiot who stops to "help" you attempts to do > CPR the Hollywood way and tells somebody who actually knows what they're > doing that he can handle it. > > Because I expect people to have basic knowledge above and beyond clicking > a mouse, pushing buttons on a television remote, mixing vinegar and baking > soda, and learning CPR by watching Baywatch, I'm suffering from "masked > inferiority." > > Thank you for opening my eyes, Paul. I will now flush years of higher > education down the drain and become like the "common man" so I'm not > accused of exhibiting signs of "masked inferiority." When I'm trying to > wash mold off my house and make a "jiffy mold remover" by mixing ammonia, > chlorine bleach, and a plethora of other things, thereby releasing toxic > gasses and quite possibly causing the barrel it was in to explode throwing > shrapnel all over the block, I'll claim ignorance. > > Or maybe somebody can practice medicine by asking for "fifteen cc's > anaprovaline" in emergencies because they heard it on Star Trek. > > Or maybe I could use large quantities of butyric acid to scare dogs away > from my home. When the neighbors complain, I can claim ignorance. Of > course, the area might be uninhabitable for a while. Phew! > > After all, ignorance is what is prized in this society. The techies are > just somebody to pay when you need them, and make fun of and assault the > rest of the time. > > > Third, reality has never seemed to be a strong-point with libertarians, > > but now I see that the disregard for reality an asset in your book. > > Because the reality is that most of those poor folk out there can't use > > UNIX. Not won't, can't. Their phobia does not allow it, just as your > > phobia does not allow you to consider any possible way that they might > > gain even a fraction of the power of the Information Age that you > > already have. > > So these people now are "victims" of a "phobia" which prevents them from > reading documentation and bothering to educate themselves. If you don't > want to claim ignorance, claim that you're a victim; it always works these > days. > > They can gain all the power they want. It's when they walk in with an > assault rifle in each hand and start spraying the room randomly with > cluelessness-inducing ammo that people get mad. > > If in doubt, claim you are a victim of this widespread epidemic known as > "phobia of clue." > > > Fourth, while I am a whore and will run or build any system that someone > > is willing to pay me to, I do have my limits. I know longer accept > > contracts or employment related to the military and intelligence > > communities. Neither, do I sell my body. I leave that to the wannabe > > geeks like yourself. > > I think you're suffering from denial, Paul, and that you're lashing out at > anybody who could be a threat to your business because of masked > inferiority. > > > > > Again, Thank you for opening my eyes. > > No problem. Don't mention it. > > From howree at cable.navy.mil Mon Aug 3 07:33:55 1998 From: howree at cable.navy.mil (Reeza!) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: question... In-Reply-To: <199807310655.IAA08821@replay.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980803003232.008ce720@205.83.192.13> At 05:18 PM 03 08 98 +0800, Bernardo B. Terrado wrote: >I tried to access the document but >I only got an error message. > >Is it still online? > >The file.... GTMHH1-4.html is it 1 or l(letter). Is WHAT 1 or l(letter)? You didn't provide a Utterly Rancid Location that a trouble shooter could use to trouble shoot your difficulty. You must be a,,,,,, a,,,,,,, a,,,,,, a CypherPunk. Reeza! From chrisharwig at hetnet.nl Mon Aug 3 07:54:52 1998 From: chrisharwig at hetnet.nl (kryz) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 07:54:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fw: commercial cryptanalysis software In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980802133653.007c5e90@m7.sprynet.com> Message-ID: That's devastating! Let me add a little point to this (see === below): ---------- : Date: zondag 2 augustus 1998 20:36:53 : From: David Honig : To: Ciferpunqs : Subject: commercial cryptanalysis software : : : http://www.dgsciences.com/codeclas.htm : : Seems to be commercial TLA tools. : : : : honig at alum.mit.edu : : "Speech is not protected simply because it is written in a language" === .. .. ... ... language." (That's the point...) : Federal Misjudge Gwin on the Bernstein Case From nobody at privacy.nb.ca Mon Aug 3 08:54:48 1998 From: nobody at privacy.nb.ca (Joseph 'Anonymous' Howe) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: none Message-ID: <8137729480121adbaf72c2ba4324be17@privacy.nb.ca> Yea, well that's been a problem for years now, which makes it no less relevant today, but it's hardly news. The author calls this condition at state of war. He's quite right. If the tyrant has any opposition it's from the criminal class, with the liberty squad standing mainly on the side lines giving an occassional muffled cheer and sometimes looking on to see what kind of tactics are being used by the crooks with hopes that they might learn some tactics they were not brave enough to employ themselves. I do not, however, know of any war waged successfully where the opposition is as scattered as the liberty crowd is, therefore, it is being waged on an individual basis with technology, stealth, and the occassional government that has yet to bend its knee to Uncle Sammy (which, by the way, are becoming fewer, not more). From cognitus at earthlink.net Mon Aug 3 09:06:29 1998 From: cognitus at earthlink.net (Richard Storey) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:06:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Anonymous phone calls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <35C5E0C7.CEF4F93D@earthlink.net> Trei, Peter wrote: > > Bill Stewart [SMTP:bill.stewart at pobox.com] wrote: > > >At 05:49 PM 8/2/98 -0700, scoops wrote: > >>Would some one be kind enough to suggest anonymous phone > >>call services? > >>I know about some supposedly untraceable 900# at $3.95 per > >>minute. What about an anonymous prepaid service 800# or a > >>calling card. > > >Sure - there's a much cheaper, easier approach. Go buy a > >phone card. There are some phone cards that insist on being > >recharged by credit card, but there are lots that you can > >buy at your local convenience store that don't insist on it, > >and the ones at ethnic grocery stores which let you call > >Mexico or China at moderately outrageous rates are more > >likely to be cash-only. Or you can go to your airport (if > >you're not too paranoid about Them watching you :-) and buy > >phone cards like The Official San Francisco Phone Card, in > >return for US$20 bills. > > At about the same effort, you can be even more secure. Use > cash. Change your $20 bill for a couple rolls of quarters > and walk up to any pay phone that takes coins. Put in a > quarter, and dial your number. You'll hear something like > 'Please insert $3.50 for the first three minutes.' Shove in > the coins, and talk. Works fine for long distance as well as > local calls. Much cheaper than the 900#. > > If you use a calling card for more than a single call, those > calls can be linked to each other. It may also be possible > to trace where the card was sold. > > Peter Trei > ptrei at securitydynamics.com Also, even the private-switch operations selling cash-paid calling cards have records of the calls made on their systems, though those records might not be in a form that makes them readily linkable to the orginator of a given call--it all depends on how much it's worth to the pursuer to pursue you. Richard Storey From CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com Mon Aug 3 12:41:23 1998 From: CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 12:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 3, 1998 Message-ID: <199808031928.OAA29890@mailstrom.revnet.com> ========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM.� Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. A new multi-billion dollar industry is here! Be at CTIA's WIRELESS I.T. '98 where personal computing and communications converge! Don't Miss Your Chance -- October 12-14, 1998 Bally's Las Vegas, Las Vegas, NV For more information, visit http://www.wirelessit.com� =========================================== From billp at nmol.com Mon Aug 3 15:23:59 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:23:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mitchell 8/3/98 14:18 phone conversation Message-ID: <35C63730.1C43@nmol.com> Monday 8/3/98 3:41 PM FAX Jan Elizabeth Mitchell Assistant U.S. Attorney U.S. Department of Justice United States Attorney District of New Mexico Post Office Box 607 Albuquerque, NM 87103 505/346-7274 505/766-2868 FAX 505/346-7205 Dear Ms Mitchell: Purpose of the fax is to 1 review points covered in our 8/3/98 14:18 phone conversation 2 suggest settlement. You phoned me today. You told me that you planned to file a motion or response to the Tenth circuit�s request Morales and my response to the jurisdictional issue on the 21st of August. I told you that this was premature on your part since we had moved for a second time for an extension of time. I told you also that this matter was now before congress. You appeared to indicate to me that you were in the process of adding both Morales and Minihan as named parties in this appeal. You asked me if it would be agreeable to us if you filed a response to the Tenth circuit 21 days AFTER Morales and I filed our response to the Tenth circuit on the jurisdictional issue. I AGREED. I spoke to Morales on the phone shortly after our phone conversation. Arguing points of law before court clerks and judges who have outstanding criminal complaint affidavits for crimes COMMITTED IN WRITING againtst them would be unproductive on Morales and my part. Therefore, we will proceed to resolve the criminal conduct on the part of judges and court clerks before we proceed further in this matter. We will do this at the Congressional level. Senate Judiciary Committe chairman Orrin Hatch, unfortunately, failed to properly process a valid complaint on New Mexico district court chief judge John Conway in 1995. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm Hatch�s failure to properly respond in 1995, in large part, caused our current legal conflict with DIR NSA Minihan. We foresee an unfortunate escalation of hostilities if this matter proceeds as it is. We do not wish this. We seek settlement of the UNFORTUNATE matter at the earliest time. We ask your and Congressional help to settle this UNFORTUNATE matter before it gets WORSE. If I have made any essential material errors in reporting my impression of the contents of our conversation, then I would appreciate you giving your impression of possible errors. You can do this in the letter you said you would write to us. Sincerely, bill payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Distribution Senate Judiciary Committee e-mail Arthur R Morales e-mail From nobody at replay.com Mon Aug 3 19:06:09 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 19:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No Subject Message-ID: <199808040206.EAA31716@replay.com> > Actually, Hamre said that US companies have no Gawd-Given Right to > _export_ strong crypto. See: > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/14098.html Oh, it's sick anyhow... A couple excerpts from jya's transcript: On the EFF DES cracker: Now, I need to explain first of all, that the government is currently permitting the export of 56 bit encryption algorithms. Now, I know that there's some huffing and puffing about whether that's strong encryption or not. But again, I say let's put this in context. There was a flap here the other day when, ta-da, somebody invented a computer that could break 56 bit encryption in 30 hours or 40 hours or whatever the time was, right. You took 40 hours to decrypt a two-second message. And it was good only for that one message. You've got to start all over again on the next two-second message. Tell me that that isn't strong encryption. [Secretary Hamre, that isn't strong encryption. Weak enough that cracking DES keys for two grand each -- reasonable price considering some of the applications using DES -- can be a viable business for the shady hacker type, in fact. Pays for your parts in ten months, pocket most everything else until the machine breaks.] On export controls: "...I'd also ask American business not to make a campaign out of just trying to bust through export controls as though somehow there was a God-given, inherent right to send the strongest encryption to anybody in the world, no matter who they are. I don't agree with that. I will never agree with that." ["I will never agree with that" -- I'd say we're talking to an open-minded individual who's really trying to work things out, eh?] > > Which, despite all the damage control and spin waves that followed > the initial report in WiRed, does not mean that the NSA and DoD believe > that anyone has been granted some privilege to speak in confidence that > they, being reverent and religious fellows, should and must respect. > > Much ado about nothing, here! > > The first (perhaps literally erroneous) WiRed News report -- that > senior DoD officials do not believe that any two people anywhere in the > world have a perfect and unassailable right to speak in confidence and > secrecy -- was spot on accurate and true. > > > ----- > "Cryptography is like literacy in the Dark Ages. Infinitely potent, for > good and ill... yet basically an intellectual construct, an idea, which by > its nature will resist efforts to restrict it to bureaucrats and others who > deem only themselves worthy of such Privilege." > _ A Thinking man's Creed for Crypto _vbm. > > * Vin McLellan + The Privacy Guild + * > 53 Nichols St., Chelsea, MA 02150 USA <617> 884-5548 From info at videall.com Mon Aug 3 22:04:13 1998 From: info at videall.com (VideAll USA) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 22:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thanks for the visit Message-ID: Just a note to thank you for your past visit to our old aol based website, which presents the VideAll for video-taping everyone. Please visit our new site at http://www.videall.com. From stuffed at stuffed.net Mon Aug 3 23:21:37 1998 From: stuffed at stuffed.net (STUFFED/EUREKA!) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Angry stripper pees on punter/Girlz Toyz/Topless teens Message-ID: <19980803080000.25399.qmail@eureka.abc-web.com> Welcome to today's issue of Stuffed. To read it you should click on the URL below. If it is not made clickable by your email program you will need to use your mouse to highlight the line, copy it and then paste it into your browser (then press Return). http://stuffed.net/98/8/3/ If you have an email program that can display web pages you will find today's front cover should have already been disp- layed and can be clicked on to take you straight to Stuffed. This email is never sent unsolicited. Stuffed is the supplement for the Eureka newsletter you subscribed to. Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka! From wcane2 at worldnet.att.net Tue Aug 4 01:58:54 1998 From: wcane2 at worldnet.att.net (william cane) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 01:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hi! I'm only 12 years old Message-ID: <35C6CBD4.FDE@worldnet.att.net> Do you really have this much time on your hands? Man yer gonna attract the wrong attention by saying that shit, your not a very convincing 12 year old, I can see the monster glow in your eyes, the same one my sister met that day in the park. If you are 12, and are really as stupid as I think you are, and want to meet the 38 year old monster in the park, Then I say go for it, hell its not like i or anyone else really give a shit about you anyway. And if you think this is cool, then you are way the fuck off base. From mixmaster at remail.obscura.com Tue Aug 4 04:42:37 1998 From: mixmaster at remail.obscura.com (Mixmaster) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 04:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No Subject Message-ID: <199808041113.EAA14059@sirius.infonex.com> What characteristics make a jurisdiction (sovereign power) a good "safe-haven?" From billp at nmol.com Tue Aug 4 07:06:14 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 07:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Whom they will destroy they first make mad. Message-ID: <35C7145D.5D03@nmol.com> Tuesday 8/4/98 7:45 AM J Orlin Grabbe I liked your article. http://www.aci.net/kalliste/apocalyp.htm Reminds me of one of my favorite books. The Great Crash by John Kenneth Galbraith. Since you are a Harvard grad, mathematician Garrett Birkhoff bought me lunch at the Harvard faculty club in about 1976. We were making plans to get a machine combinatoric and stochastic algorithm subprogram library written. Like LINPACK, etc. But NSA killed that project and my NSF grant DCR75-08822. See Bruce Barns, the Puzzle Palace by James Bamford. We returned from Durango on Monday afternoon. I have some INSIDE news from the wife of a former AF base commander in Turkey about 1 Ron Brown's flight 2 Khobar towers 1 The AF warned the White House not to fly Brown's flight because of bad weather. Advice issued from Ramstein. Advice ignored. White House removed Ramstein AF base commander. 2 AF base commander was removed for the Khobar incident although base commander had nothing to do with lack of security. Former Kirland AFB and new base commander are buddies with our friends in Durango. I think that we have made the government MAD. http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm Wayland told me yesterday that the Texas A&M profs went over the reasons for rejection of their SBIR grant. One of the MAIN reasons, Wayland told me, was the grant did not spell-out the WAY the profs were going to IMPLEMENT their idea. My attached method for ACCOMPLISHING the goal was included with the prof's REQUESTED revision of their SBIR grant, Wayland told me. I am getting enmeshed in techie stuff. I need and WANT to finish the digital FX PRONTO. Let's all hope for settlement of the UNFORTUNATE mess before it gets WORSE. bill Tuesday 8/4/98 7:06 AM tech at cyberpowersystems.com www.cyberpowersystems.com 512/238-9905 Yesterday I was trying to send a e-mail QUICK. I did not close the PowerPanel Window before invoking IE and the external ZOOM Flex modem software. Dial-Up Networking window in Windows 95B reads ! The modem is being used by another Dial-Up Networking connection or another program. Disconnect the other connection or close the program, and then try again OK I disabled the decode on the Superhigh Speed Serial Card by NOT JUMPERing any addresses. Guys, it appears to me AT THE MOMENT that the problem is that the CyberPower code is interfering with the Dial-Up Networking software within Windows 95. It would be nice to be able to use BOTH the CyberPower auto shutdown feature and Internet at the same time. I realize that the software problem is likely in Windows 95 but I am NOT OPTIMISTIC that Microsoft will fix the problem. Therefore. Got any fixes? I will phone tech support later today. I am not reading e-mail. Thanks in advance. bill WEED KILLER computer interface proposal section 7/27/98 10:11 AM Solution to controlling and collecting data from the WEED KILLER involves interfacing a personal computer running a version of the Windows operating system to the WEED KILLER analog/digital hardware. Windows is not a real-time operating system, therefore microcontroller controller/collector hardware interface must be installed between a Wintel PC and the WEED KILLER hardware. Essence of the Wintel data collector problem is that Windows 3.x or 9x responds to a hardware interrupt usually between 70 to 150 microseconds. In rare occasions the interrupt latency may extend to 1.5 milliseconds or even longer. A microcontroller responds to an interrupt in several microseconds. Wintel hardware controller interface is even more difficult than collection for the reason that the Windows operating system only gives control to an application when Windows decides. In the collection, mode at least a hardware interrupt signals Windows that the application wants control. However, the microcontroller can send the Wintel an interrupt asking the applications code whether there is any message it needs to send the microcontroller. Microcontrollers have specialized timers, serial expansion ports and are, therefore, designed to be interfaced to analog and digital hardware. An 80C32 family microcontroller is proposed for the WEED KILLER application for reasons. 1 The 80C32 will do the job. 2 Multiple vendors of 80C32 guarantee future supply at a competitive price. Current suppliers include Intel, AMD, Winbond, Dallas, Philips, Siemens, OKI, ATMEL, ... 3 High-speed parallel port bi-directional IEEE 1284 enhanced capability port 9 (ecp) communications hardware between an 80C32 and PC is in the final stage of development. 4 IEEE 1284 hardware drivers are supplied with Windows NT. Custom assembler dll drivers are available for 9x and 3.x. 5 A public-domain Forth 8051 operating system hosting a high-level language and interactive assembler with complete source code documentation is available on Internet. http://jya.com/f86/whpf86.htm Hardcover book further documenting 5 is available from Academic Press. http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2 Only a Wintel machine is required for both hardware and software for the WEED KILLER project. Usually a Forth hardware/software development probject on requres a voltmeter, logic probe, and, infrequently, an oscilloscope. Reason is the INTERACTIVE control of the hardware and software from a PC keyboard and diagnostic information easily printed to a PC monitor. Justification for assertion made in the above paragraph comes from Internet. NASA uses Forth extensively for its space programs. http://groucho.gsfc.nasa.gov/forth/ Ballard used polyForth http://av.yahoo.com/bin/query?p=polyforth&z=2&hc=0&hs=0 to locate wrecks of the Titanic, Bismarck, and Yorktown. http://www.nationalgeographic.com/features/98/midway Sun Microsystems workstation boot into Forth then invokes Solaris. http://playground.sun.com/pub/1275/ Adobe Postscript is a version of Forth. http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/language/forth-postscript.html Video game software are written mostly in Forth. The Wintel side of the WEED KILLER project will be most-likely written in a small amount of assembler interface code and Visual Basic. While Forth threaded code software technology is extremely valuable in some settings, it is not in others. Java is a variation of Forth. http://www.mrl.nyu.edu/meyer/jvmref/ Future of Java on Wintel machines is unclear at this time. For example, The hottest items among techies is a browser called Opera. This is a $40 shareware program that in speed and compact size buts both IE and Communicator to shame. It has a slightly different interface from either of the majors - an interface some find refreshing while other find less than useful. As it's shareware, you can try and then buy if you like it. One reason for its speed is that it ignores Java - the Internet's Bandwidth Pig (IBP). The Rumor Mill by Paul Cassel ComputerScene Magazine July 1998 Forth executes code High-level at about 10% the speed of a compiled high-level language. Speed of execution of small applications is not effected by Forth�s slow execution. Reason is that initial code is written in high-level Forth. Inner loops are then translated into Forth assembler. Speed is maintained with the advantage that data structures are created an maintained in high-level language while the interactive operating system is retained for trouble shooting both hardware and software problem. Hardware cost of building the 80C32 the WEED KILLER boards is estimated at $10k. Hardware design is estimated at 1 month labor at $50/hr for a total of $8k. Software development on the 80C32 side in Forth and Forth assembler, software on the Wintel side in Visual Basic and assembler, documentation, and training is estimated to be 4 months for a total of $32k /\/\/\ end From nobody at privacy.nb.ca Tue Aug 4 09:55:31 1998 From: nobody at privacy.nb.ca (Joseph 'Anonymous' Howe) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 09:55:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: none Message-ID: <150cb05934c46ba679428a6613874e66@privacy.nb.ca> Subject: Re: "safe-haven" Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 08:37:46 -0400 [...Initial message & Response...] Mixmaster wrote: > What characteristics make a jurisdiction (sovereign power) a good "safe-haven?" Frederick Burroughs responded: Economically? In the view of former ARVN (south-vietnamese army) officer I used to work with, government stability was a big requirement (anarchists take note). Stability measured as the system of government, not holders of offices. Of course it's easy to understand his position in light of his country's recent history. Despite his foreign attributes, he was the source of some amusement and interesting tidbits. Government stability depends on many variables, but history can and is used by those with holdings as a simple measure. Then again, a good "safe haven" doesn't necessarily offer the biggest return (or loss) on your investment. [...end original...] (I left the subject in the body of this message as these remailers sometimes clip the subject field.) Good comments. History is useful for measuring not only stability, but many facets. Cases: 1. Anguilla & Cate coming under pressure from Argentina. Would you say that Cate's customer might have thought that a Carribean island might be a safe haven? 2. Recent law suits over what people say about other people or companies. There doesn't appear to be much security there for data between the u.s., canada and g.b. Therefore, where can you find safety from intrusion by your host government, whether they don't like what is on your server or another government or person doesn't like what is on your computer? Has anyone tackled this question in a studied way? (Yes, I know that a number of good law firms would offer me an opinion for $350/hr.) The only answer I can find, so far (and hence the question), is moving the data, which gets expensive. It would seem that putting the data in a known safe haven in the first place would be a better method of protecting it and then move it if assaulted. From admin at max-web.com Tue Aug 4 10:17:33 1998 From: admin at max-web.com (Travis Savo) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FM radio hiss etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980804101456.007bc750@max-web.com> At 02:56 AM 8/3/98 -0000, you wrote: >Hi, >Dumb as I am, I have a question about retrieving random stuff out off radio >hiss: > >If it is/could be possible with FM hiss, is it possible too with a >recording of, for example, a leeking faucet, tree-hiss forced by the wind, >a sack of beads falling to te ground, even the sound of a shower, etc.? And I don't see why not. If you got a high enough sampling rate (44khz should do nicely), and set a peek threshold so anything under a certian volume was a 0 and every peek over was a 1 I could think of a BUNCH of samples that with a little playing with the threshold could produce some pretty random resluts. Furthermore, by adjusting the threshhold you would get a toatly different number. Using a random sampling with a random threshhold would bring you closer to a truely random number. Of corse it's still not possible to get a truely random number because you gotta get the threshold value somehow... see below for why... >what is, by the way, TRULY randomness - could that ever be reached? I have >a bold assumption: it never can be. That was my understanding, but I'm no expert on the subject. >Housenumbers aren't good for that - that *I* know. Absolutely, because the seed is not truely random. For instance, most random number generators use the current time from the internal clock to generate a random number. However if you were to do the exact same thing at the exact same time (down to the millisecond) it would reproduce the same number. If you try this let me know what you find! >Chris Harwig >Nieuwegein, The United Netherlands > (no acces to the Internet; due to lack of money...) > >(I am not a native English speaker - as you probably see.) > >P.S. I can't help it: I miss Linda Reed fka Linda Reed... > From cognitus at earthlink.net Tue Aug 4 11:45:56 1998 From: cognitus at earthlink.net (Richard Storey) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 11:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Unbreakable Data Lock Message-ID: <35C757AB.935618C@earthlink.net> http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/13920.html From Andrew.Loewenstern at wdr.com Tue Aug 4 13:01:05 1998 From: Andrew.Loewenstern at wdr.com (Andrew Loewenstern) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Unbreakable Data Lock In-Reply-To: <35C757AB.935618C@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <9808042001.AA12292@ch1d524iwk> > http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/13920.html It seems they are mighty short on clues at Wired these days... andrew From whgiii at openpgp.net Tue Aug 4 13:23:32 1998 From: whgiii at openpgp.net (William H. Geiger III) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 13:23:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Unbreakable Data Lock In-Reply-To: <9808042001.AA12292@ch1d524iwk> Message-ID: <199808042021.QAA06506@domains.invweb.net> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <9808042001.AA12292 at ch1d524iwk>, on 08/04/98 at 03:01 PM, Andrew Loewenstern said: >> http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/13920.html >It seems they are mighty short on clues at Wired these days... You give them too much credit by assuming that they ever had any to start with. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. 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Motorola Forms = New Internet and Connectivity Services Division
Motorola ICSD will focus on = developing products and services that simplify consumer communications including = speech-enabled, web-based, content, in-vehicle and paging information services.  = (N= EWS.COM) - (YAHOO= ) - (BLOOMBERG) - (ZDNET) 

Telecommunications Companies Getting Better  
at Keeping = Customers Loyal
According to Arthur Andersen's 1998 = American Customer Satisfaction Index, telecommunications companies are getting = better at taking care of their customers.  The modest improvement (from = 65 to 66 on a 100-point scale) is said to result from investments in = sophisticated call-center technology, special customer services and targeted products and prices. (YAHOO)=

House Commerce = Committee Chairman Blasts FCC  
for Giving = Spectrum to Teligent 
House Commerce Committee Chairman = Thomas W. Bliley (R-Va.) said the FCC appears to have "manufactured" a = national security need to justify its allocation of a valuable airwave spectrum to a private company without a public proceeding and at no additional = cost.  The FCC's March 1997 decision shifts Teligent Inc.'s licenses for = Digital Electronic Messaging Services from the 18-gigahertz tier to the 24-GHz tier - in effect, quadrupling the portion of the airwaves it could take up. (ZDNET) = ;

FCC to Hold = Hearings on Universal Service E-Rate
Figures released by the U.S. = Department of Commerce show a widening gap in access to basic telephone services, as well as computer technology between rich and poor, and between races regardless of income level.  The hearings will investigate ways to close this "digital divide."  Currently, the FCC administers a = controversial program that is funded by fees charged to telecommunications providers. (N= EWS.COM) - (NANDO.NET) - (WALL ST. JOURNAL) - (USA TODAY) - (YAHOO)

CellStar Says = Securities and Exchange Commission  
Probing Its = "Compliance"
In its statement, CellStar said it = believes the SEC inquiry is primarily related to previously disclosed events = occurring in 1995 and 1996. In February 1996, the company lowered fourth quarter earnings estimates on what it said was a bookkeeping error related to = "double counting of inventory.'' A class-action suit on behalf of shareholders was filed against the company in April 1996 accusing the company of = misrepresentation of financial results. (YAHOO= ) - (CELLSTAR)

LMDS Services to = Businesses to Exceed $6.5 Billion by 2007, According to Report by Pioneer = Consulting 
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Samsung = Electronics Licenses Unwired Planet Microbrowser  
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Rutland, Vermont = Town Officials Assess Need  
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Popularity of = Wireless Phones Grows as Their Size Shrinks
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CWA Members = Authorize Strikes if Negotiations Unsuccessful with Bell Atlantic, BellSouth and U S WEST
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Lucent Aims to = Expand in Asia 
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From billp at nmol.com Tue Aug 4 14:48:40 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 14:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Great Fascist Satan’s ploys Message-ID: <35C7808A.39AB@nmol.com> Tuesday 8/4/98 3:11 PM J Orlin Grabbe John Young Morales and I met for lunch. We formulated a plan of attack on the NEXT TARGET. ABQ J Monday 8/13/98 Fess Up, Clinton Friends, Foes Say Key Republican Says Lenience Is an Option By Robert L. Jackson Los Angeles Times WASHINGTON - [C]hairman Orrin Hatch of Utah said he believes Clinton could retract his denials of intimacy with Lewinsky and still survive in office, provided there is no evidence of larger transgressions such as perjury or obstruction of justice. �If he comes forth and tells it and does it in the right way and there aren�t a lot of other factors to cause the Congress to say this man is unfit for the presidency and should be impeached, then I think the president would have a reasonable chance of getting through this,� Hatch said of NBC�s �Meet the Press.� ... One of the Great Fascist Satan�s ploys is to give a person bad advice ... and hope they take it. Bubba, we all guess, knows this TOO. Morales and I figured out how to approach Hatch. The last attempt did not work. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm The statement No less can they forget how the west backed Saddam Hussein's 1980 invasion of Iran. in Clinton Longs to "Make Iran His China" seen at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ appears a bit understated in view of http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm and http://caq.com/cryptogate. I got a letter from US Attorney Mitchell today. But I haven't opened it. Yesterday on the phone Mitchell I sensed that Mitchell had changed. Mitchell sounded sympathetic to what Morales' and I are doing. But she is a LAWYER so we are NOT counting on anything. Let's all hope for settlement of the UNFORTUNATE matter before it gets WORSE. Later bill Monday 8/3/98 3:41 PM FAX Jan Elizabeth Mitchell Assistant U.S. Attorney U.S. Department of Justice United States Attorney District of New Mexico Post Office Box 607 Albuquerque, NM 87103 505/346-7274 505/766-2868 FAX 505/346-7205 Dear Ms Mitchell: Purpose of the fax is to 1 review points covered in our 8/3/98 14:18 phone conversation 2 suggest settlement. You phoned me today. You told me that you planned to file a motion or response to the Tenth circuit�s request Morales and my response to the jurisdictional issue on the 21st of August. I told you that this was premature on your part since we had moved for a second time for an extension of time. I told you also that this matter was now before congress. You appeared to indicate to me that you were in the process of adding both Morales and Minihan as named parties in this appeal. You asked me if it would be agreeable to us if you filed a response to the Tenth circuit 21 days AFTER Morales and I filed our response to the Tenth circuit on the jurisdictional issue. I AGREED. I spoke to Morales on the phone shortly after our phone conversation. Arguing points of law before court clerks and judges who have outstanding criminal complaint affidavits for crimes COMMITTED IN WRITING againtst them would be unproductive on Morales and my part. Therefore, we will proceed to resolve the criminal conduct on the part of judges and court clerks before we proceed further in this matter. We will do this at the Congressional level. Senate Judiciary Committe chairman Orrin Hatch, unfortunately, failed to properly process a valid complaint on New Mexico district court chief judge John Conway in 1995. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm Hatch�s failure to properly respond in 1995, in large part, caused our current legal conflict with DIR NSA Minihan. We foresee an unfortunate escalation of hostilities if this matter proceeds as it is. We do not wish this. We seek settlement of the UNFORTUNATE matter at the earliest time. We ask your and Congressional help to settle this UNFORTUNATE matter before it gets WORSE. If I have made any essential material errors in reporting my impression of the contents of our conversation, then I would appreciate you giving your impression of possible errors. You can do this in the letter you said you would write to us. Sincerely, bill payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Distribution Senate Judiciary Committee e-mail Arthur R Morales e-mail From cognitus at earthlink.net Tue Aug 4 15:45:13 1998 From: cognitus at earthlink.net (Richard Storey) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Unbreakable Data Lock In-Reply-To: <199808042021.QAA06506@domains.invweb.net> Message-ID: <35C7753A.8B1015C7@earthlink.net> Sorry, but I don't recall giving them "credit." William H. Geiger III wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > In <9808042001.AA12292 at ch1d524iwk>, on 08/04/98 > at 03:01 PM, Andrew Loewenstern said: > > >> http://www.wired.com/news/news/technology/story/13920.html > > >It seems they are mighty short on clues at Wired these days... > > You give them too much credit by assuming that they ever had any to start > with. > > - -- > - --------------------------------------------------------------- > William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net > Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 > > Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice > PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. > OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html > - --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Tag-O-Matic: OS/2: Windows with bullet-proof glass. > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 > Charset: cp850 > Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 > > iQCVAwUBNcdu+o9Co1n+aLhhAQEVigQAmaHTHYWlPLQ2Z69kezaGSyoW2XU2vAIH > IeGOSXWuFbNfXrUTUVTRmNzzmgVCLnTk9WLHG0bN90CQB7L/EtbPzhCKV9qBPi1m > JwIa0/c1DiAU0xrCUZvQLIx51K74mFqrfov6ArIvPRox5HHVdpi8WrBctp+gjzyt > FkRdrhL55Rk= > =/lth > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ELarson100 at aol.com Tue Aug 4 15:49:58 1998 From: ELarson100 at aol.com (ELarson100 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 15:49:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: stickers Message-ID: <6d759c5b.35c78fe9@aol.com> Can you do a 5 color process? 4x4". Price on 500,1000,1500 From CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com Tue Aug 4 16:12:15 1998 From: CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 4, 1998 (Update) Message-ID: <199808042114.QAA31533@mailstrom.revnet.com> ******************************************************************* You may have received an earlier encoded version of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM.� We apologize for any inconvenience. We experienced a technical malfunction that has been corrected. ******************************************************************* ========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM.� Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. A new multi-billion dollar industry is here! Be at CTIA's WIRELESS I.T. '98 where personal computing and communications converge! Don't Miss Your Chance -- October 12-14, 1998 Bally's Las Vegas, Las Vegas, NV For more information, visit http://www.wirelessit.com� =========================================== From billp at nmol.com Tue Aug 4 18:48:48 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:48:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: George Santyana, 1905 and the zeitgeist Message-ID: <35C7B8F7.68A1@nmol.com> Tuesday 8/4/98 6:17 PM J Orlin Grabbe When I sent The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention. Francis Bacon I had not seen the news. I watched Dan Rather, ABC, and PBS. I THINK I realized the importance of what you wrote at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/apocalyp.htm when I wrote at Tuesday 8/4/98 10:58 AM Larry Gilbert is our broker at Dain Rausher, formerly Rausher, Pierce and Resfnes. I phoned Gilbert this morning to alert him to http://www.aci.net/kalliste/apocalyp.htm The about 300 point drop in the DJ. I THINK we are doing LOTS OF THINKING. We are THINKING ABOUT the zeitgeist. We do not cause what MAY happen. We MAY only predict it. By THINKING and STUDYING HISTORY. THINKING SLOWLY is the most important part. Sitting Bull, whose Indian name was Tatanka Iyotake, was born in the Grand River region of present-day South Dakota in approximately 1831. His nickname was Hunkesi, meaning "Slow" because he never hurried and did everything with care. http://www.incwell.com/Biographies/SittingBull.html Morales and I are BOTH SLOW THINKERS. Morales, his wife Becky said at about 17:30, also got a letter from US attorney Mitchell. Retired Washington State University econ chairman Robert F Wallace "Stupidity is difficult to underestimate." recommended I read The Great Crash by John Kenneth Galbraith. I did a bit of searching on the web and found "Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it." -- George Santyana, 1905 http://rickohio.com/mag/articles/monica.htm You and John Young http://www.jya.com/index.htm are riding the zeitgeist, I THINK! Morales and Payne may be on the zeitgeist too. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm Let's all hope for settlement of this unforunate matter. Before it gets WORSE. Best bill From jya at pipeline.com Tue Aug 4 18:48:53 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 18:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cracking DES 5, 6, 7 Message-ID: <199808050148.VAA25162@camel14.mindspring.com> Chapters 5, 6 and 7, the US-export-prohibited code, and a great job of scanning and proofreading: ftp://ftp.nic.surfnet.nl/surfnet/net-security/encryption/cracking_DES/ From stuffed at stuffed.net Tue Aug 4 20:17:13 1998 From: stuffed at stuffed.net (STUFFED/EUREKA!) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Clinton shafted by a dress?/The art of cyber seduction Message-ID: <19980804080001.3828.qmail@eureka.abc-web.com> Welcome to today's issue of Stuffed. To read it you should click on the URL below. If it is not made clickable by your email program you will need to use your mouse to highlight the line, copy it and then paste it into your browser (then press Return). http://stuffed.net/98/8/4/ If you have an email program that can display web pages you will find today's front cover should have already been disp- layed and can be clicked on to take you straight to Stuffed. This email is never sent unsolicited. Stuffed is the supplement for the Eureka newsletter you subscribed to. Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka! From nobody at replay.com Tue Aug 4 22:20:20 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: of Re: of the dickwads thing... Message-ID: <199808050520.HAA22850@replay.com> I hope it can't be tracked, even by the operators. That is the point of making it anonymous. :) I take no offense to a post suck as this. The sender obviously knows almost nothing of the remailers, letters coming out in a different order preserve untracability. The point for the names such as Anonymous and Nobody are so you know it's an anon remailer, there is no reason to hide it and it helps to identify them. If you want to hide it you can. ---kryz wrote: > > I'm a pretty ignorant "cypherpunk". I believe that this crap can be > uncovered. > Or is it a test or some thing like that. > Why not crack the "Anonymous" person and hang 'm high. I can't do that, > helas! > Maybe you can? > > : they > : can't even get their messages to come out in the same order that they > : came in by... > : Dumb, eh? Some of the test messages I sent to myself came back in a > : different order from that what I sent them in. I guess these guys don't > : know much about computers, eh? > : And those names, 'Anonymous' and 'Nobody', aren't fooling AnyBody, > : because the minute you see them, you *know* that the message is > : from a remailer. Dumb, eh? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From aa1310 at hotmail.com Tue Aug 4 22:47:20 1998 From: aa1310 at hotmail.com (aa1310 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 22:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: w63 Message-ID: <> BENCHMARK PRINT SUPPLY 1091 REDSTONE LANE ATLANTA GA 30338 CALL----> 770-399-0953 FOR TONER SUPPLIES ORDERS/PRICING ONLY CALL----> 770-399-5505 CUSTOMER SERVICE/SUPPORT ISSUES CALL----> 770-399-5614 E-MAIL REMOVAL COMPLAINTS LINE OUR LASER PRINTER/FAX/COPIER TONER CARTRIDGE PRICES NOW AS LOW AS $39 & UP. SPECIALS WEEKLY ON ALL LASER PRINTER SUPPLIES. 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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE MAKE NOTE OF THE FOLLOWING BEFORE YOU CALL: -----> WE DO NOT HAVE CATALOGS OR PRICE LISTS BECAUSE OUR PRICES CHANGE WEEKLY!! -----> WE DO NOT FAX QUOTES OR PRICES BECAUSE OUR ORDER LINE IS NOT SET UP TO DO THAT -----> WE DO NOT SELL TO RESELLERS OR BUY FROM DISTRIBUTERS -----> WE DO NOT CARRY : BROTHER -MINOLTA-KYOSERA- PANASONIC - XEROX - FUJITSU - OKIDATA - SHARP!! -----> WE DO NOT CARRY ANY COLOR PRINTER SUPPLIES!!!!! -----> WE DO NOT CARRY DESKJET/INKJET OR BUBBLEJET SUPPLIES!!!! NEW,NEW,NEW $10 MAIL IN REBATE ON SELECTED CARTRIDGES SIMPLY ORDER YOUR NEW CARTRIDGE, WHEN IT ARRIVES MAIL BACK YOUR REBATE CERTIFICATE WITH ANY USED CARTRIDGE FOR INSTANT CREDIT WE ACCEPT ALL MAJOR CREDIT CARDS OR COD ORDERS CORPORATE ACCOUNTS AVAILABLE WITH APPROVED CREDIT ALL PACKAGES SHIPPED UPS GROUND UNLESS SPECIFIED OTHERWISE From nobody at replay.com Wed Aug 5 01:03:54 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question on secure programs Message-ID: <199808050804.KAA04696@replay.com> I'm sitting here browsing through my copy of applied cryptography and I start to think. How long will my 2047 bit PGP key be secure? When I look for secure I don't mean my family or the occasional hacker. I mean like a martial law state. DES 56bit can be cracked in days or hours, public key cryptography is substancially easier to break than symetric cryptography such as DES. I want to get the best encrytion I can so that one day when my computer is dug out of the ground and put in an exibit at a college they still can't break my key. I understand my key is secure now, but what about in ten years when I'm famous and my history is worth a mil? :) Is mit still developing Mit PGP? or is 2.6.2 the last free version of PGP that we will ever see? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph Wed Aug 5 01:05:44 1998 From: bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph (Bernardo B. Terrado) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: encryption..... In-Reply-To: <199808050520.HAA22850@replay.com> Message-ID: What types of data can we encrypt? =============================================================================== You give the words you have spoken, it is not lended and are not taken back. It is like what The Corrs sung "...you're forgiven not forgotten...." bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph bbt at peak-two.uplb.edu.ph metaphone at altavista.net From nobody at replay.com Wed Aug 5 01:19:15 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SecDrv and Win95 Message-ID: <199808050819.KAA06317@replay.com> I'm looking for a good HD encryptor. The best one seems to be secdrv, Is this compatoble with win95? I'm asking because I know secdrv uses tsr programs and drivers, but I am not familiar enough with win 95 to be sure they will work together. In win programming you don't use interrupts and I'm sure that the drivers try to capture interupts. it could still work if win95 calls int's to do it's work though. Any info? _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? 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itc at ispinfo.com; itl at md2.vsnl.net.in; ivanindo at indo.net.id; iwads at wa.net; jablack at indiana.edu; jackch at nbnet.nb.ca; jahern at stavis.com; jahworks at erols.com; jajjr at ibm.net; jamesons at maui.net; janboseafood at hotmail.com; jankajander at hotmail.com; jarrod at pc.jaring.my; jason at solar.mxl.cetys.mx; jaster at ats.com.au; jathomas at northcoast.com; jaworski at gsosun1.gso.uri.edu; jayaar at globalnet.co.uk; jbfoods at zebra.net; jcao at chinatrade.net; jccdyin at asiaonline.net.tw; jcmw at sietic.qd.sd.cn; jdkap at bellsouth.net; jeff at clearfreight.com; jeffd at baaderna.com; jerry at tunacan.com; jetalt at dol.ru; jetson97 at aol.com; jf at doris-and-eds.com; jfack at urnerbarry.com; jfsins at ibm.com; jhb at bluemar.co.za; jhoward at nssc.ca; jimbifford at aol.com; jimesal at earthlink.net; jimge at aros.net; jinkwan at hotmail.com; jirza at marinet.com; jkjms at redrose.net; jklose at colomsat.net.co; jkstill at bcbso.com; jluque at mail.udep.edu.pe; jmurr at xyz.net; 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INC.; multinet at homeindia.com; mwoods at wesco-hln.com; najinlu at public.yc.nx.cn; nancy at divcom.com; nason01 at unitel.co; nason01 at unitel.co.kr; naturecst at aol.com; nazcahf at mail.cosapidata.com.pe; ncognitotx at aol.com; neonet at nlr.nl; nepfishnj at aol.com; nestor at easynet.fr; network at giasmd01.vsnl.net.in; newage at trade-trade.com; newsroom at s-t.com; nexter at camerdata.es; ng at public.nc.jx.cn; nigelstevens at amaltal.co.nz; nilefish at sukumanet.com; nino at ionino.com; nippon1 at entelchile.net; niva at telecom.net.et; njm at sealord.co.nz; nlov at west.net; nmoore at nfi.org; nobi at arrowac-merco.com; noel.turner at turner.co.nz; noelwh at aol.com; nopalax at internet.dk; noplax at internet.dk; notifyme at thaitrading.com; npesrl at tin.it; nsdp at bumi.net.id; nusa at indobiz.com; oancarola at sit.com.ar; oarpanfish at msn.com; oasis-ie at yahoo.com; oceansur at argenet.com.ar; ocn at usa.net; ocnblu at worldnet.att.net; office at nfi.org; office at starfish.no; 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tuna at seanet.com; turbos at turbosales.com; t-xanth at gmunro.ca; u.s.a.-Inoel180471 at aol.com; ufi at gte.net; unibr at unitel.co.kr; unirel at pace.edu; unisee at aol.com; unitedimport at att.com; university at geographix.com; uscodex at aol.com; vacpacsf at mozcom.com; valpado at hotmail.com; vcilp at lumen.vcilp.ortg; vela at wave.co.nz; vfuks at jaguar.ir.miami.edu; vhg04 at emirates.net.ae; victian at shell.tjvan.com.cn; victian at shell.tjvan.net.cn; victorray at aol.com; vietnam.order at cgtd.com; vipul at pobox.com; virginia at clearfreight.com; vishop at freemail.nl; visshop at dsv.nl; visshop at freemail.nl; vixens at ptialaska.net; vr4u at ksc8.th.com; vshlexps at hotmail.com; waag at email.msn.com; waltraut at arrowac-merco.com; wangh at mail.zlnet.co.cn; wangrap at public.ytptt.sd.cn; warcher at nafta.net; waynes at connet80.com; web at acdev.com; web at xmission.com; webhost at seafoodleader.com; webmaster at dragoncity.com.sg; webmaster at goldq.com; web-requests at www.aphis.usda.gov; 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ecssfd at bellsouth.net; gamvie at pop3.concentric.net; expork12 at ecua.net.ec; milton at nicnet.com.ni; itc at khi.compol.com; silvabue at totalnet.com.ar; active.83 at netvision.net.il; Calembo at gnet.tn; ng at dcdmc.intnet.mu; abs at tassie.net.au; camtas at mox.com.au; freofish at icenet.com.au; demcos at ozemail.com.au; lee at sia.net.au; woodfish at pronet.com.au; sumnersf at oe.net.au; westmanp at acr.net.au; yoshida-H at syd.marubeni.co.jp; hirakitsukamoto at austrade.gov.au; lobsterdoc at aol.com; sjr at bb.rc.vix.com; sjoyce at thai.com; skip at futureone.com; cmsacv at debtel.com.mx Subject: The Catch of the Week The Catch of the Week SEAFOOD INDUSTRY INFORMATION SERVICE Hello, welcome to the "NEW" newsletter, now available via e-mail from SEA-EX. As you know, Sea-Ex is an Australian company which provides a service connecting buyer to seller - DIRECT. We are now expanding our newsletter to cover e-mail. This service provides you with an opportunity to promote and expose your company and products to numerous contacts in the seafood industry both in Australia and abroad, weekly. It is a simple, yet effective way to promote yourself - Direct to your industry. To place your FREE classified see below. THIS IS WEEK ONE (1) OF A FREE FOUR (4) WEEK TRIAL. We would also welcome comments you may have regarding this newsletter, and we are also open to any suggestions to improve this service. 1. Uptop Fisheries Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Sharkfins (Wet), Shark cartiledge (frozen), Shark & mackeral fillets & trunks (frozen) Contact Jenny Davies uptop at iinet.net.au 2. Adelaide Bay Seafoods Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Live and frozen greenlip and blacklip abalone. Contact: Loraine Kossmann abs at tassie.net.au 3. Cameron of Tasmania Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Live pacific oysters, frozen half shell Pacific oysters, Golden Pacific Oysters. Contact: Michael Cameron or Edgar Burtschner camtas at mox.com.au 4. Oakfair International AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: sardines (WR & Fillets), Cod (H&G and fillets), Alaskan Pollock (H&G and Fillets), Scallops, Squid, Octopus, Sockeye Salmon, Pink Salmon, Chinook Salmon, Chum Salmon, Coho Salmon, Flounder. Contact: Charlie oakfair at icenet.com.au 5. Pacific Business Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Representative of "Golden Emperor" canned Abalone, exporter of "Pacific" canned Abalone, Frozen, Live, Cooked Abalone. Frozen Scallops, fish and seafood. Contact: Stephen Lee lee at sia.net.au 6. Wood Fisheries Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Stout whiting, yellow-tail scad, tuna, finfish and deepwater finfish. Contact: A.K. (Sandy) Wood-Meredith woodfish at pronet.com.au 7. Fremantle Fish Farms AUSTRALIA AUSTRALIA ONLY Goods supplied: Sardines (WR & Fillets), Alaskan Cod (H&G and fillets) Smoked Russian Sockeye Salmon. Contact: Steve Wilkinson freofish at icenet.com.au 8. Demcos Seafoods Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA SYDNEY AUSTRALIA ONLY Restaurants a speciality. Providors of Finer Seafood. Seasonal fresh produce of TOP QUALITY. Inquiries, contact Con or James demcos at ozemail.com.au 9. Moana Pacific Fisheries Ltd NEW ZEALAND OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: FROZEN: Alfonsino, barracoutta, cardinal, flake, flounder, New Zealand sole, lemon sole, orange roughy, monkfish, rubyfish, scampi, snapper, gemfish, hoki fillets. FRESH: Bluenose, snapper, tarakihi, orange roughy, live greenlip mussels, flounders, gurnard, moonfish, john dory, groper/bass, trevally, broadbill swordfish. Contact: Rachel Joughin or Bruce Bird moana at xtra.co.nz 10. Great White Holdings Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Live mud crabs, live pippies, live Pacific oysters. Contact Nick or Stan mudcrabs at zed.org 11. Global Seafood Fisheries AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Coral trout (frozen raw), Tropical lobster tails, mullet roe, scallop meat - roe off. Fresh fish. Frozen Prawns: Banana, Endeavour, King and Tiger. Contact: Neal Harris glosea at bigpond.com 12. Sumner Seafood Export Australia OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: LIVE coral trout, LIVE Lobster. LIVE spanner and mud crabs. Frozen and Chilled reef fish and estuary fish and frozen Queensland scallops. Contact: David Hoac sumnersf at oe.net.au 13. P & E Foods Inc Hawaii USA OPEN MARKET Goods Supplied: Frozen seafood, pork, meat, poultry. Fish, shellfish, lobster, crab. Contact: Stephen S.C.Lee Telephone: + 1 808 839 9094 Fax: + 1 808 833 5182 14. Pacific Marine Farms 1996 Ltd NEW ZEALAND OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: 1/2 shell oysters - chilled and frozen Contact: Vince Syddall Telephone: + 64 7 866 8564 Fax: + 64 7 866 8753 15. Clyde River Oyster Company AUSTRALIA AUSTRALIA ONLY Goods supplied: Clyde River (Australia) Oysters. Contact: Mr Bill Suter suters at acr.net.au or Mr Paul Westman westmanp at acr.net.au --------------------------oooOOOooo------------------------------- Above are just some of our suppliers listed in our Directories of Seafood Suppliers. For more information, see our website at http://www.big.net.au/~seaex. When contacting these people, be sure to mention SEA-EX!!! If you would like any further information regarding the above companies, please e-mail us your enquiry to seaex at big.net.au LIST YOUR "CLASSIFIED" HERE Here is a place to list your "classifieds" regarding your industry. 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ecssfd at bellsouth.net; gamvie at pop3.concentric.net; expork12 at ecua.net.ec; milton at nicnet.com.ni; itc at khi.compol.com; silvabue at totalnet.com.ar; active.83 at netvision.net.il; Calembo at gnet.tn; ng at dcdmc.intnet.mu; abs at tassie.net.au; camtas at mox.com.au; freofish at icenet.com.au; demcos at ozemail.com.au; lee at sia.net.au; woodfish at pronet.com.au; sumnersf at oe.net.au; westmanp at acr.net.au; yoshida-H at syd.marubeni.co.jp; hirakitsukamoto at austrade.gov.au; lobsterdoc at aol.com; sjr at bb.rc.vix.com; sjoyce at thai.com; skip at futureone.com; cmsacv at debtel.com.mx Subject: The Catch of the Week The Catch of the Week SEAFOOD INDUSTRY INFORMATION SERVICE Hello, welcome to the "NEW" newsletter, now available via e-mail from SEA-EX. As you know, Sea-Ex is an Australian company which provides a service connecting buyer to seller - DIRECT. We are now expanding our newsletter to cover e-mail. This service provides you with an opportunity to promote and expose your company and products to numerous contacts in the seafood industry both in Australia and abroad, weekly. It is a simple, yet effective way to promote yourself - Direct to your industry. To place your FREE classified see below. THIS IS WEEK ONE (1) OF A FREE FOUR (4) WEEK TRIAL. We would also welcome comments you may have regarding this newsletter, and we are also open to any suggestions to improve this service. 1. Uptop Fisheries Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Sharkfins (Wet), Shark cartiledge (frozen), Shark & mackeral fillets & trunks (frozen) Contact Jenny Davies uptop at iinet.net.au 2. Adelaide Bay Seafoods Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Live and frozen greenlip and blacklip abalone. Contact: Loraine Kossmann abs at tassie.net.au 3. Cameron of Tasmania Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Live pacific oysters, frozen half shell Pacific oysters, Golden Pacific Oysters. Contact: Michael Cameron or Edgar Burtschner camtas at mox.com.au 4. Oakfair International AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: sardines (WR & Fillets), Cod (H&G and fillets), Alaskan Pollock (H&G and Fillets), Scallops, Squid, Octopus, Sockeye Salmon, Pink Salmon, Chinook Salmon, Chum Salmon, Coho Salmon, Flounder. Contact: Charlie oakfair at icenet.com.au 5. Pacific Business Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Representative of "Golden Emperor" canned Abalone, exporter of "Pacific" canned Abalone, Frozen, Live, Cooked Abalone. Frozen Scallops, fish and seafood. Contact: Stephen Lee lee at sia.net.au 6. Wood Fisheries Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Stout whiting, yellow-tail scad, tuna, finfish and deepwater finfish. Contact: A.K. (Sandy) Wood-Meredith woodfish at pronet.com.au 7. Fremantle Fish Farms AUSTRALIA AUSTRALIA ONLY Goods supplied: Sardines (WR & Fillets), Alaskan Cod (H&G and fillets) Smoked Russian Sockeye Salmon. Contact: Steve Wilkinson freofish at icenet.com.au 8. Demcos Seafoods Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA SYDNEY AUSTRALIA ONLY Restaurants a speciality. Providors of Finer Seafood. Seasonal fresh produce of TOP QUALITY. Inquiries, contact Con or James demcos at ozemail.com.au 9. Moana Pacific Fisheries Ltd NEW ZEALAND OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: FROZEN: Alfonsino, barracoutta, cardinal, flake, flounder, New Zealand sole, lemon sole, orange roughy, monkfish, rubyfish, scampi, snapper, gemfish, hoki fillets. FRESH: Bluenose, snapper, tarakihi, orange roughy, live greenlip mussels, flounders, gurnard, moonfish, john dory, groper/bass, trevally, broadbill swordfish. Contact: Rachel Joughin or Bruce Bird moana at xtra.co.nz 10. Great White Holdings Pty Ltd AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Live mud crabs, live pippies, live Pacific oysters. Contact Nick or Stan mudcrabs at zed.org 11. Global Seafood Fisheries AUSTRALIA OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: Coral trout (frozen raw), Tropical lobster tails, mullet roe, scallop meat - roe off. Fresh fish. Frozen Prawns: Banana, Endeavour, King and Tiger. Contact: Neal Harris glosea at bigpond.com 12. Sumner Seafood Export Australia OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: LIVE coral trout, LIVE Lobster. LIVE spanner and mud crabs. Frozen and Chilled reef fish and estuary fish and frozen Queensland scallops. Contact: David Hoac sumnersf at oe.net.au 13. P & E Foods Inc Hawaii USA OPEN MARKET Goods Supplied: Frozen seafood, pork, meat, poultry. Fish, shellfish, lobster, crab. Contact: Stephen S.C.Lee Telephone: + 1 808 839 9094 Fax: + 1 808 833 5182 14. Pacific Marine Farms 1996 Ltd NEW ZEALAND OPEN MARKET Goods supplied: 1/2 shell oysters - chilled and frozen Contact: Vince Syddall Telephone: + 64 7 866 8564 Fax: + 64 7 866 8753 15. Clyde River Oyster Company AUSTRALIA AUSTRALIA ONLY Goods supplied: Clyde River (Australia) Oysters. Contact: Mr Bill Suter suters at acr.net.au or Mr Paul Westman westmanp at acr.net.au --------------------------oooOOOooo------------------------------- Above are just some of our suppliers listed in our Directories of Seafood Suppliers. For more information, see our website at http://www.big.net.au/~seaex. When contacting these people, be sure to mention SEA-EX!!! If you would like any further information regarding the above companies, please e-mail us your enquiry to seaex at big.net.au LIST YOUR "CLASSIFIED" HERE Here is a place to list your "classifieds" regarding your industry. 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From jya at pipeline.com Wed Aug 5 06:40:28 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 06:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Jim Bell Latest Message-ID: <199808051340.JAA25381@camel14.mindspring.com> Excerpt from USA v. Jim Bell court docket: Docket as of August 5, 1998 3:10 am Pages 7-8 Proceedings include all events. TERMED 3:97cr5270-ALLUSA v. Bell APPEAL 6/22/98 -- DEFENDANT James Dalton Bell arrested (car) [Entry date 06/24/98] 6/23/98 48 MINUTES of Initial on Prob Revocation:DEW, Dep Clerk:Peter Voelker, AUSA:Robb London, Def Counsel:Peter Voelker, Tape #A473, USPO:Steven McNichols D' arrested 6/22/98; D' adv of rights; crt appts cnsl; D' adv of allegations in violation petition; Gov't moves for detention this hrg, proceeds, Gov't proffer, D' proffer; D' ORDERED DETAINED; probation revocation hrg set for 11:00 a.m. on 7/10/98 before Judge Burgess D' remanded. (car) [Entry date 06/25/98] 6/23/98 49 ORDER by Magistrate Judge David E. Wilson appointing as the Federal Public Defender for defendant James Dalton Bell (cc: counsel) (car) [Entry date 06/25/98] BWM 6/30/98 50 MINUTE ORDER by Judge Franklin D. Burgess that the Probation Revocation hrg is rescheduled to 1:30 p.m. on 7/10/98 for James Dalton Bell (cc: counsel, Judge) (car) [Entry date 06/30/98] 7/8/98 -- PROPOSED Supplemental Violations (car) [Entry date 07/08/98] 7/10/98 51 PROBATION PETITION/ORDER by Judge Franklin D. Burgess as to James Dalton Bell re: Supplemental Violations (cc: counsel, Judge, USPO) (car) [Entry date 07/10/98] 7/15/98 52 MINUTE ORDER by Judge Franklin D. Burgess ; probation revocation hrg continued to 9:00 7/31/98 for James Dalton Bell (cc: counsel, Judge) (km) [Entry date 07/15/98] 7/16/98 53 AMENDED MINUTE ORDER by Judge Franklin D. Burgess ; probation revocation hrg scheduled for 9:00 7/31/98 for James Dalton Bell (cc: counsel, Judge) (km) [Entry date 07/16/98] 7/22/98 54 SUBSTITUTION OF COUNSEL on behalf of USA Robert Louis Jacob London terminating attorney Annmarie Levins for USA (car) [Entry date 07/22/98] 7/31/98 55 MINUTES of Supervised Release Violations:FDB, Dep Clerk:B Kay McDermott, AUSA:Rob London, Def Counsel:Peter Avenia, CR:J Ryen probation revocation hrg held Cnsl pres. Mr. Bell pres in custody. Court adv D' of charges. D' enters NOT GUILTY to violations 1,4,5,6, & 7 (violations 2 & 3 MOOT as penalties are paid). D' cnsl states for the record that D' feels the Gov't is engaging in spying on him as a private citizen and and requests that the Court conduct an investigation into this activity; D' feels the conditions of supervised release are unconstitutional. Mr. London advises the court that no survelillance has been conducted on Mr. Bell. Court rules this hrg will proceed on the violations charges only, D' concerns should be addressed in other action. Court inquires of cnsl if psychological evaluation is required, D' cnsl adv the cour that D' does not feel this hrg should proc because of his prior stated concerns of the Gov't spying and conspiracy against him. D' request add'l time to prep. RECESS. D' cnsl adv the Court that D' not prep to proc today, D' requests month continuance, D' cnsl disagrees w/client's strategy. D' cnsl adv the Court mental health eval may be approp. Gov't objs. Court adv parties that mental health eval will be ordered. D' adv the Court he wants investigation of Gov't actions. Court adv D' mental health eval ordered. Court orders Gov't to prep approp order, iss of Mr. Avenia cont as cnsl will be addr. D' remanded pending eval. (car) [Entry date 08/03/98] [Edit date 08/03/98] 8/3/98 -- LODGED ORDER directing commitment of D' to submit to a competency exam (car) [Entry date 08/04/98] End Docket as of August 5, 1998 3:10 am From usura at replay.com Wed Aug 5 07:56:15 1998 From: usura at replay.com (Alex de Joode) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:56:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SecDrv and Win95 Message-ID: <199808051456.QAA15760@replay.com> In article <199808050819.KAA06317 at replay.com> you wrote: : I'm looking for a good HD encryptor. The best one seems to be secdrv, : Is this compatoble with win95? I'm asking because I know secdrv uses : tsr programs and drivers, but I am not familiar enough with win 95 to : be sure they will work together. In win programming you don't use : interrupts and I'm sure that the drivers try to capture interupts. it : could still work if win95 calls int's to do it's work though. Any info? Checkout: ftp://ftp.replay.com/pub/crypto/disk/{SdWin32Src.zip,SdDriveSrc.zip} -aj- From joan at sk.sympatico.ca Wed Aug 5 08:47:20 1998 From: joan at sk.sympatico.ca (Joan Kowalchuk) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: more free stuff Message-ID: <35C87F58.2F334B81@sk.sympatico.ca> From fishlist at fishroute.com Wed Aug 5 09:14:30 1998 From: fishlist at fishroute.com (fishlist at fishroute.com) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Welcome to the fishroute list. Message-ID: <199808051614.JAA27813@toad.com> This email message gives you important information about using this list - please save it for future reference. 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Where to report problems ======================== Should you still have any problems or questions, please email root at fishroute.com who will be happy to help. From silveri at mgmtscience.com Wed Aug 5 09:44:30 1998 From: silveri at mgmtscience.com (Ian F. Silver) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SecDrv and Win95 In-Reply-To: <199808050819.KAA06317@replay.com> Message-ID: <98Aug5.115014cdt.36865-1@gateway.mgmtscience.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 At 03:19 AM 8/5/98 -0500, you wrote: >I'm looking for a good HD encryptor. The best one seems to be secdrv, > Is this compatoble with win95? I'm asking because I know secdrv uses >tsr programs and drivers, but I am not familiar enough with win 95 to >be sure they will work together. In win programming you don't use >interrupts and I'm sure that the drivers try to capture interupts. it >could still work if win95 calls int's to do it's work though. Any info? I found an interesting "mount a container as a drive letter" encryption program in finland called "BestCrypt NP", when I was first looking for a program like you describe. It's available for 3 environments currently, those being: Dos, Windows 95, and Windows NT. It has three algorithms that you can pick from for encryption: GOST28147-89 (32 rounds, 256 bits primary key, 512 bits secondary key) Blowfish (in Cipher Block Chaining Mode with 256-bit key length and 16 rounds) DES I use Blowfish and GOST (depending on the size of the container I'm working with), and avoided DES, even before Deep Crack was invented. :-) You can check out the product for yourself at: http://jetico.sci.fi I've been using the product for several months, and am rather pleased with it. I now keep my email, inbound attachments, netscape user directory (including cache), scanned financial records, and PGP private/public keyrings in this product's encrypted container files. I've had the opportunity to test the company's support via email, and I've been pleased with that as well. The gentleman who appears to be running the show is "Oleg Essine". I'm looking at CFS (Cryptographic File System) for when I make the jump away from Microsoft towards S.u.S.E. Linux 5.2. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Business Security 5.5.2 iQA/AwUBNciNPItr/w7g57VBEQJjYQCglobgLYG+XEdNBDk4DHd0U++H1YoAoI3I qkOSPeBNpz++iWRa1jchAjVH =e+Nm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- Ian F. Silver // Amateur Callsigns: KD0DOA & VA3DOA Management Science Associates // Voice: 816-795-1947 x 249 // Fax: 816-373-6384 4801 CLIFFE AVENUE SUITE #300 INDEPENDENCE MO 64055 PGP DSS/DH Key Fingerprint: 951F 8B0E 8A84 AFAA B846 1AAF 8B6B FF0E E0E7 B541 PGP RSA Key Fingerprint: 3B32 4848 1C1B 8F60 5200 B1B3 6656 2266 From billp at nmol.com Wed Aug 5 09:59:43 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:59:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: MOTION FOR EXTENSION OF TIME TO FILE MEMORANDUM BRIEFS ADDRESSING JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES. Message-ID: <35C88E56.2C2E@nmol.com> Wednesday 8/5/98 10:06 AM John Young http://www.jya.com/index.htm Charles Smith http://www.us.net/softwar/ I mailed envelopes to you both containing Herbert Richardson�s FOIA info about NSA attempting to sabotage Sandia/NSA projects. This is documented at http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm In John Young�s envelope I included US Attorney Mitchell�s MOTION FOR EXTENSION OF TIME TO FILE MEMORANDUM BRIEFS ADDRESSING JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES. Certificate of service August 3, 1998. Morales and I by FRAP 27 have 7 days Any party may file a response in opposition to a motion other than one for procedural order [for which see subdivision (b)] within 7 days after service of the motion, http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#27 plus 3 because of service by mail http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/docs/frap-iop.htm#26c to respond to Mitchell�s latest motion. Morales and I NEVER miss an opportunity to RESPOND. Mitchell CONTINUES to list NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY, Defendant - Appellee Correct heading is UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS FOR THE TENTH CIRCUIT William H. Payne ) Arthur R. Morales ) ) Appellants Plaintiffs, ) ) 98-2156 v ) 98-1257 ) Lieutenant General Kenneth A. Minihan, USAF ) Director, National Security Agency ) National Security Agency ) ) Appellees Defendants ) We will get this corrected. The government DOES NOT LIKE individuals named. Reason is that government employees like to hide behind an agency name so as to avoid 1 responsibility 2 accountability 3 liability But this is not going to happen in this matter. http://caq.com/cryptogate http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm Morales and I must soon implement our strategy of approaching the Senate Judiciary Committee http://www.senate.gov/committee/judiciary.html in an EFFECTIVE WAY. Approaching Hatch directly has proved ineffective in the past. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm Internet publication is a good way to be EFFECTIVE. http://www.jya.com/mi5-flap.htm The former agent, who was threatening to publish details of the supposed Qadaffi plot on the Internet, was arrested in a hotel room in Paris. and Now, with the advent of the Internet, it is probably only a matter of time before Mr. Shayler's allegations are disseminated. "He's a whistleblower," said Mr. Shayler's lawyer, John Wadham, the director of Liberty, a civil liberties group. Let�s hope these matter are settled soon. Then Morales and I can move for dismissal of our lawsuits. We can all be off on OTHER constructive projects. Shaping-up the US legal system is a CONSTRUCTIVE PROJECT. But it SHOULD BE the senate judiciary committee's responsibility. They need to do their job. Morales and I will get things started. I NEED to revise my book for the 80C32 with ieee 1284 ecp parallel bi-directional communications. http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2 Later bill Monday 8/3/98 3:41 PM FAX Jan Elizabeth Mitchell Assistant U.S. Attorney U.S. Department of Justice United States Attorney District of New Mexico Post Office Box 607 Albuquerque, NM 87103 505/346-7274 505/766-2868 FAX 505/346-7205 Dear Ms Mitchell: Purpose of the fax is to 1 review points covered in our 8/3/98 14:18 phone conversation 2 suggest settlement. You phoned me today. You told me that you planned to file a motion or response to the Tenth circuit�s request Morales and my response to the jurisdictional issue on the 21st of August. I told you that this was premature on your part since we had moved for a second time for an extension of time. I told you also that this matter was now before congress. You appeared to indicate to me that you were in the process of adding both Morales and Minihan as named parties in this appeal. You asked me if it would be agreeable to us if you filed a response to the Tenth circuit 21 days AFTER Morales and I filed our response to the Tenth circuit on the jurisdictional issue. I AGREED. I spoke to Morales on the phone shortly after our phone conversation. Arguing points of law before court clerks and judges who have outstanding criminal complaint affidavits for crimes COMMITTED IN WRITING againtst them would be unproductive on Morales and my part. Therefore, we will proceed to resolve the criminal conduct on the part of judges and court clerks before we proceed further in this matter. We will do this at the Congressional level. Senate Judiciary Committe chairman Orrin Hatch, unfortunately, failed to properly process a valid complaint on New Mexico district court chief judge John Conway in 1995. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm Hatch�s failure to properly respond in 1995, in large part, caused our current legal conflict with DIR NSA Minihan. We foresee an unfortunate escalation of hostilities if this matter proceeds as it is. We do not wish this. We seek settlement of the UNFORTUNATE matter at the earliest time. We ask your and Congressional help to settle this UNFORTUNATE matter before it gets WORSE. If I have made any essential material errors in reporting my impression of the contents of our conversation, then I would appreciate you giving your impression of possible errors. You can do this in the letter you said you would write to us. 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From attila at hun.org Wed Aug 5 11:47:02 1998 From: attila at hun.org (attila) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:47:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Jim Bell Latest In-Reply-To: <199808051340.JAA25381@camel14.mindspring.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, John Young reported >Excerpt from USA v. Jim Bell court docket: > lots of deletions. >Docket as of August 5, 1998 3:10 am Pages 7-8 > > Bell. Court rules this hrg will proceed on the violations > charges only, D' concerns should be addressed in other > action. Court inquires of cnsl if psychological evaluation > is required, D' cnsl adv the cour that D' does not feel this > hrg should proc because of his prior stated concerns of the > Gov't spying and conspiracy against him. D' request add'l > time to prep. > IM!SHO, Jim is committing the ultimate faux pas in federal court --the issue of 'conspiracy' as it implies the judge is part of the conspiracy. of course, I dont consider the issues as conspiracy anyway --they are nothing more than a government abusing its powers and the fact the citizens have abrogated their own rights by failing to make government accountable > RECESS. D' cnsl adv the Court that D' not > prep to proc today, D' requests month continuance, D' cnsl > disagrees w/client's strategy. D' cnsl adv the Court mental > health eval may be approp. > the wonders of a public defender... Kaczinski's lawyer pulled the same abuse of privilege (except again IM!SHO, TZ outsmarted them all as even in his apparent paranoia driven state, his powers of logic were stil present --and there is reason to doubt his implied state of insanity in so much as his notebooks showed bitterness and a bloodthirsty desire for violent retribution. OTH, Bell definetly lacks sophistication, or a reasonable sense of logic; if there is a mental illness issue, it is not the place of Bell's attorney to overrule his client's wishes --Bell is entitled to be the fool.... but even worse, sliding into the federal prison systems psychiatric t evaluation program is a one way ticket --all bets are off, and all sentence termination dates are off-- release is at the whim of the government. if, for instance, Jim is sent to Springfield (MO) or Rochester (MN), the cell blocks are essential solitary confinement rows --if you werent nuts when you arrived, you are or will be... Jim's attorney may have been well meaning by asking for help of Jim, but he sure as hell did not do him any favours. > Gov't objs. Court adv parties > that mental health eval will be ordered. > D' adv the Court he > wants investigation of Gov't actions. > still whipping a dead horse. Jim's AP essays were not an evidence of insanity- a little asinine, but certainly not insane rantings. many members of the list can say: "there but for the grace of (insert your favourite whatever), go I." > Court adv D' mental > health eval ordered. > exactly to form... > Court orders Gov't to prep approp > order, iss of Mr. Avenia cont as cnsl will be addr. D' > remanded pending eval. (car) > this is one of the travesties of the Public Defender system; Jim will be evaLuated only by the US Prison system (which has a vested interest in maintain the numbers (despite the current 24% overcrowding figure I saw quoted the other day). there will be no report actually representing Jim's or his families interests. there will be no period when an outside investigator can evaluate Jim when he can be absolutely sure the government has not loaded him with Thorazine an undiseased mind looking out through the haze of Thorazine must be terrorizing; the victim clawing at the walls of the cranium --or so it was described to me by my Tourettes' Syndrome victim son who was given same in an acute facility --I had been in hospital with bronchial infections and did not see him until two weeks later at the resident school I arranged-- absolutely terrifying; the Haldol was discontinued immediately; absolutely unbelievable what it did prisons and other institutions love Thorazine class drugs for troublemakers --instant passivity, and in Jim's case, an obvious means of declaring him criminally insane which is a life sentence in the federal system, one way or another. I wish Jim luck, he needs it; I dont agree with his "politics", but I also do agree with their punishment of his inadequacies and childish pranks. > [Entry date 08/03/98] > [Edit date 08/03/98] > >8/3/98 -- LODGED ORDER directing commitment of D' to submit to a > competency exam (car) [Entry date 08/04/98] > attila out... _________________________________________________________________ attila__ To be a ruler of men, you need at least 12 inches.... 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For further information and registration, please contact Carolyn Williamson at 202-736-3224 or e-mail: Cwilliamson at ctia.org =========================================== =========================================== Text-Only Version of today's news sponsored by Nokia =========================================== CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 5, 1998 Wireless Industry, Local Governments Announce Plan to Resolve Antenna Siting Disputes -- Three wireless industry trade associations, along with an advisory group representing local governments, have agreed to a speedy dispute-resolution process that, they hope, will resolve disagreements that arise when local governments impose moratoriums on construction of new antenna sites. http://www.wow-com.com/results/professional/news/frameindex.cfm?articleid=3085 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1998-08/05/130l-080598-idx.html House Commerce Committee Approves Wireless 911 Legislation -- The purpose of the legislation approved by the Committee is "to encourage and facilitate the prompt deployment throughout the United States of a seamless, ubiquitous, and reliable end-to-end infrastructure for communications, including wireless communications, to meet the Nation's public safety and other communications needs." http://www.wow-com.com/results/professional/news/frameindex.cfm?articleid=3086 Attorney General Asks Congress Not to Extend CALEA Compliance Date -- The U.S. Attorney General stated that moving the compliance date "two full years would permit substantially more telephone equipment to be designed and deployed without regard for the public safety concerns that CALEA was designed to protect." The industry argues that an extension is necessary. http://www.wow-com.com/results/professional/news/frameindex.cfm?articleid=3087 Motorola Offers Investment Analysts Few Specifics on Future Performance -- In an August 4 meeting with financial analysts, Motorola executives offered few concrete numbers or projections, but said that the digital phone business was a huge priority. http://www.techserver.com/newsroom/ntn/info/080598/info22_22832_noframes.html http://chicagotribune.com/business/businessnews/article/0,1051,ART-12809,00.html Foes Hammer Universal Service E-Rate at Congressional Hearing -- Powerful members of Congress, long distance companies, consumer advocates, and even FCC commissioner Harold Furchtgott-Roth argue that the e-rate is an unfair tax that the FCC created without proper authority. http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,24923,00.html?owv http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,24924,00.html?owv Powertel Surpasses 200,000 Wireless PCS Subscribers -- The new wireless carrier says its now has the largest contiguous digital wireless coverage area in the southeast. http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/980805/powertel_1.html Nextel Expected to Announce Rural Partnership Pact -- Nextel has said the partnership would cover about 15 percent of the U.S. population. It would also allow it to broaden its geographic coverage into rural areas faster than it would be able to do on its own. http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980804/nextel_s_r_1.html WIRELESS SECURITY Workshop & Expo Focuses on New Threats to Wireless Systems -- The conference will focus on a broader range of wireless security issues, including network vulnerability, authentication deployment, subscription fraud and international roaming fraud. http://www.wow-com.com/results/professional/news/frameindex.cfm?articleid=3091 First Wireless Phone with Color Screen Now Available from Omnipoint -- Omnipoint Communications now offers the Siemens S12 GSM handset, which, the company says, is the world's first wireless phone with a three-color (red, blue and green), five-line display. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/980805/nj_omnipoi_1.html China's Mobile Phone User Population Tops 18 Million -- It took a decade for mobile phone users to reach 18 million compared with 100 years for the country to have 10 million private telephones, the Xinhua news agency said. http://biz.yahoo.com/finance/980803/china_s_mo_1.html COMSAT Corporation Sues Three Former Employees -- The lawsuit, against three former employees of COMSAT Mobile Communications, alleges the former employees misappropriated confidential, sensitive and proprietary business information, and purposefully and systematically destroyed computer files prior to resigning from COMSAT. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/980804/md_comsat__1.html From nobody at nsm.htp.org Wed Aug 5 12:48:13 1998 From: nobody at nsm.htp.org (nobody at nsm.htp.org) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SecDrv and Win95 In-Reply-To: <98Aug5.115014cdt.36865-1@gateway.mgmtscience.com> Message-ID: <19980805194724.13516.qmail@nsm.htp.org> >>>>> Ian F Silver writes: > I'm looking at CFS (Cryptographic File System) for when I make the > jump away from Microsoft towards S.u.S.E. Linux 5.2. Version 1.1.2 works quite well, but I'd really like to see someone build it into the kernel. (Not me, alas: I'm up to my ears in other GPL applications development, and you really don't want to let me near an OS kernel...) From billp at nmol.com Wed Aug 5 13:28:42 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FOIA appeal Message-ID: <35C8BE3D.629B@nmol.com> Wednesday 8/5/98 1:50 PM George B. Breznay, Director Office of Hearings and Appeals Department of Energy Washington, DC 20585 Dear Director Breznay: Purpose of this letter is to ask you to properly process a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) appeal. I attach a copy of my Tuesday February 17, 1999 15:11 FOIA. letter to Elva Barfield. Albuquerque Journal w 8/5/98 reports FBI Director Again Calls for Fund-Raising Probe By Kevin Galvin The Associated Press WASHINGTON - The FBI director told lawmakers Tuesday an independent counsel should be named to investigate Democratic fund raising in part because President Clinton and Vice President Al Gore are under scrutiny. ... June 11, 1998 I received a letter from Tomas O. Mann, Deputy Director, Office of Hearings Hearing and Appeals. Mann wrote It is unclear from your correspondence whether you are in fact appealing Ms. Barfield�s March 30 determination at this time. If you wish to appeal that determination, please inform this Office as soon as possible by stating your intention in writing, either by mail to George B. Breznay, Director, Office Office of Hearings and Appeals, U.S. Department of Energy, Washington, D.C. 20585-0107, or by e-mail to George.Breznay at hq.doe.gov. I comply with Mann�s request. Since the contents of the documents sought in my FOIA may shed light on possible wrongdoing by VP Al Gore, I ask that you process this appeal within the time limits specified by law. An agency is required to make a decision on an appeal within 20 days (excluding Saturdays, Sundays, and legal holidays). It is possible for an agency to extend the time limits by an additional 10 days. Sincerely, William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 http://www.us.net/softwar/ Tuesday February 17, 1999 15:11 e-mail and mail Ms. Elva Barfield Freedom of Information Office U. S. Department of Energy Albuquerque Operations Office/OIEA POB 5400 Albuquerque, NM 87185-5400 EBARFIELD at DOEAL.GOV Dear Ms. Barfield: VP Al Gore is in the crypto business. Information SuperSpyWay Al Gore Approved Encryption for China in Return for Campaign Donations by Charles R. Smith Portions of the above document posted on Internet at http://www.us.net/softwar/ and http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ states 1. Gore charged with encryption policy according to PDD-5 and PRD-27 on April 16, 1993. 2. Government officials represent themselves on Al Gore's behalf for RSA patent purchase negotiations in Feb. 1994. 3. RSA chairman Bidzos meets with Chinese officials at the same time as Ron Brown in Oct. 1995. 4. RSA Chairman Bidzos enters into merger negotiations with Security Dynamics, a company backed by Sanford Robertson, in Nov. 1995. 5. VP Gore calls Sanford Robertson from the White House for a donation in Nov. 1995. 6. Robertson delivers $100,000 donation ($80,000 soft - $20,000 directly into the Clinton/Gore campaign) in Jan. 1996. 7. RSA signs deal with China in Feb. 1996. The administration previously prosecuted similar deals but this time does nothing. 8. Justice Dept. approves RSA merger with Security Dynamics in April 1996 for $280 million dollars, netting Sanford Robertson's company a cool $2 million just to write the deal. In 1991 I was in involved with Sandia National Laboratories Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty seismic data authenticator. At that time Sandia director Tommy A Sellers had assumed responsibility for directorship from Robert Clem. Sandia supervisor Tom Wright replaced my supervisor, John Holovka, who was the supervisor for the CTBT seismic data authenticator. Wright brought in Ph.D. Steven Goldsmith to supervise me. Sellars, Wright, and Goldsmith were new to crypto-type projects. Much of this is documented at http://www.jya.com/whp021598.htm. This is evidenced by Sellar's attached SEP 24 1991 memorandum, which Goldsmith help author, addressed to Dr James J Hearn at the National Security Agency. The SEP 24 memorandum contained a number of technical errors. I corrected these errors in my attached December 20, 1991 memorandum. Department of Energy and it predecessors have a well-documented history of not requiring technical expertise for pursuit of interests. Stewart Udall, The Myths of August, writes, Any cover-up must be implemented and enforced by designated agents, and one man emerged in 1953 as the quarterback of the AEC's damage-control effort. His name was Gordon Dunning. Although the personnel charts of the 1950s list him as a low-level "rad-safe" official in the Division of Biology and Medicine, documents demonstrate that he was clothed with authority to manage and suppress information about the radiation released by the testing of nuclear weapons. ... About the time Sellers and Sandia Ombudsman gave me a directed transfer to break electronic locks for the FBI/ERF [engineering research facility], Goldsmith and Wright, certainly with the approval of Sellers, placed a contract with RSA Inc [http://www.rsa.com/], I was told. Ms Barfield, we think the American public needs to know more about RSA's work with Sandia National Laboratories. Therefore, Under the provision of the Freedom of Information Act, 5 USC 552, I am requesting access to: 1 ALL purchase requisitions, including any attached statement of work, issued by Sandia National Laboratories, Los Alamos National Laboratories, or DOE/ALOO between January 1, 1991 and February 17, 1998 to RSA Inc. 2 Copies of all invoices from RSA Inc received by Sandia National Laboratories, Los Alamos National Laboratories, or DOE/ALOO between January 1, 1991 and February 17, 1998 If there are any fees for searching for, or copying, the records I have requested, please inform me before you fill the request. As you know, the Act permits you to reduce or waive the fees when the release of the information is considered as "primarily benefiting the public." I believe that this requests fits that category and I therefore ask that you waive any fees. Your office agreed to waive fees before. This request is surely of "public interest." December 13, 1994 DOE/AL FOIA officer Gwen Schreiner waived fees for the reason, "We have considered your request and have determined that release of the requested records is in the public interest, that disclosure of this information is likely to contribute significantly to public understanding of the operations or activities of the government, that you or the organization you represent have little or no commercial interest in the material contained in the records, that you or the organization you represent have the qualifications and ability to use and disseminate the information, and that the records are not currently in the public domain. A waiver of fees is therefore granted." This waiver of fees was, undoubtedly, issued as a result of former Energy Secretary Hazel O'Leary's Openness initiative. Heart of America paid my way to hear Secretary O'Leary's celebrated whistleblower speech. If all or any part of this request is denied, please cite the specific exemption(s) which you think justifies your refusal to release the information and inform me of your agency's administrative appeal procedures available to me under the law. I would appreciate your handling this request as quickly as possible, and I look forward to hearing from you within 20 working days, as the law stipulates. Sincerely, William Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias Albuquerque, NM 87111 From rhobbs at wvu.edu Wed Aug 5 13:32:56 1998 From: rhobbs at wvu.edu (rhobbs at wvu.edu) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: GATT Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980805163248.006988ec@wvu.edu> How about e-mailing me a GATT summary for my MBA paper!!!!! From CALLMEB00 at prodigy.net Wed Aug 5 14:17:59 1998 From: CALLMEB00 at prodigy.net (LOUISE E LIBERATORE) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:17:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: iz it Message-ID: <199808052115.RAA41932@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> What R dezz Algorithms From nobody at earth.wazoo.com Wed Aug 5 15:36:43 1998 From: nobody at earth.wazoo.com (Wazoo Remailer) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: change in anonymizer log policy Message-ID: <199808052236.WAA04031@earth.wazoo.com> Looks like Anonymizer's changed their logging policy. >From their FAQ: Does the Anonymizer keep logs on who I am and the sites I visit? How long do you keep logs? Will you release the information? The Anonymizer logs only a hash of your IP number (machine address). We cannot determine your IP number from these logs, however, this enables us to have logs to study in order to increase performance, and as a deterent to prevent abusive use of the Anonymizer for purposes such as e-mail spamming, harassment, and so on. If we didn't, many people would use it for these purposes, and the usability of the service would deteriorate as a result. Anonymizer tools are not a shroud for those who wish to engage in illegal and unscrupulous activities. However, due to high usage, it is impossible for us to keep logs for very long, and we cannot maintain archives. See our user agreement for more details. From gnu at toad.com Wed Aug 5 16:29:03 1998 From: gnu at toad.com (John Gilmore) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ANNOUNCE: SF Bay Area Cypherpunks, Sat Aug 8, Santa Clara & Palo Alto Message-ID: <199808052329.QAA01100@toad.com> The August meeting of the San Francisco Bay Area Cypherpunks will be on Saturday, August 8 1998 from 12-6PM. This is an open meeting, as always, and the public is invited to attend. The meeting will be held in two sequential locations this month. We'll start with a tour of the recently announced Electronic Frontier Foundation "DES Cracker", hosted by the company which built its hardware. Please join us between noon and 2PM at: Advanced Wireless Technologies 3375 Scott Blvd #410 Santa Clara, CA 95054 +1 408 727 5780 http://www.mapblast.com/mapblast/blast.hm?CMD=MAP&GC=X%3A-121.98298%7CY%3A37.3812%7CLT%3A37.38063%7CLN%3A-121.98458%7CLS%3A20000%7Cc%3ASanta_Clara%7Cs%3ACA%7Cz%3A95054%7Cd%3A807%7Cp%3AUSA&LV=3&IC=37.3812%3A-121.98298&IC=100&IC%3A=AWT&IC=%3A%3A%3A%3A%3A%3A3A&GAD2=3375+Scott+Blvd+%23410&GAD3=Santa+Clara%2C+CA++95054-3110&W=500&H=350&MA=2 It's in a complex of small startups at the corner of Scott Blvd and Garrett Drive in Santa Clara. To reach it, take US 101 to the Bowers Avenue exit (heading south/oceanward), turn right in a few blocks on Scott Blvd, and turn right on Garrett. The first two driveways on the right serve the complex; AWT's corner of the parking lot is at the second. You can also come in via Lawrence Expressway; go east/SanJoseward on Arques Avenue (which becomes Scott Blvd) and turn left on Garrett. Autographed copies of the Cracking DES book will be available, and the machine will be running. There isn't a room large enough to have a sit-down meeting at AWT, so we'll reconvene at 2:30 at Stanford University, at the outdoor tables outside Tresidder Union, which is near the bookstore. The tables are on the west side, which is the inside of the U-shape. Coffee and food are available in the building. http://www.stanford.edu/home/map/search_map.html?keyword=&ACADEMIC=Tresidder+Union http://www.stanford.edu/home/map/stanford_zoom_map.html?234,312 Agenda: 12:00-2:00 at the machine location, then move to Stanford and reconvene at 2:30. Dinner at a mutually agreed location will probably follow. Speakers: Cracking DES - John Gilmore et al, 2:30 at Stanford "Private Doorbells" - John Bashinski, ~3:30 -- John Gilmore From tcmay at got.net Wed Aug 5 16:55:56 1998 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: iz it In-Reply-To: <199808052115.RAA41932@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: At 9:16 AM -0700 8/5/98, LOUISE E LIBERATORE, a true Prodigy, wrote: >What R dezz Algorithms Dezz algrims iz de 'bonics word (word!) foe de Man's main code. Word. --Rap Master Tim "The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants...." ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. From mgraffam at mhv.net Wed Aug 5 18:23:29 1998 From: mgraffam at mhv.net (mgraffam at mhv.net) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing Message-ID: Hello all.. After a little bit of work I have put together a white noise source (hacked FM reciever, heavily shielded to reduce local EMR bias) and have it jacked into a mic port on one of my machines. I would like to develop of bit of code (oh, horror :) to take bits from the sound card, and bits from /dev/random, and mix them together to get a random number stream. The noise coming off of the sound card is more beige than white though.. Does anyone know of any papers, articles or whatever on good techniques to remove bias from the audio source? My initial thoughts are along the lines of just hashing everything, but this will be slow, and I'd like to see what other ideas are out there. Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net) http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc "Let your life be a counter-friction to stop the machine." Henry David Thoreau "Civil Disobedience" From Maurice at fundi.com Wed Aug 5 20:54:41 1998 From: Maurice at fundi.com (Maurice Valmont) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 20:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mysterious taglines In-Reply-To: <199808052115.RAA41932@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980805235420.0072fa34@mail.fundi.com> At 04:55 PM 8/5/98 -0700, Tim May wrote in his .sig: >"The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of >tyrants...." I suspect this is unlikely to happen until the oppressed realize that the tree of liberty needs also be watered with the blood of patriots. >Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >knowledge, reputations, information markets, >black markets, collapse of governments. I'm curious: What exactly is "zero knowledge"? From mpj at ebible.org Wed Aug 5 21:03:10 1998 From: mpj at ebible.org (Michael Paul Johnson) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199808060403.XAA32439@yeti.host4u.net> At 09:12 PM 8/5/98 -0400, mgraffam at mhv.net wrote: ... >After a little bit of work I have put together a white noise source >(hacked FM reciever, heavily shielded to reduce local EMR bias) and >have it jacked into a mic port on one of my machines. I would like >to develop of bit of code (oh, horror :) to take bits from the sound >card, and bits from /dev/random, and mix them together to get a >random number stream. > >The noise coming off of the sound card is more beige than white though.. > >Does anyone know of any papers, articles or whatever on good techniques to >remove bias from the audio source? ... If I were doing it, I would probably feed the raw bytes into a stream cipher with feedback, like Sapphire II, and then select every nth byte from the output stream (just to match the output bit rate to the estimated actual entropy in a conservative fashion and improve the effective avalanche performance of that particular algorithm). This would be faster than a hash like SHA-1. Indeed, you could just use a good mixer, like a CRC or non-cryptographic hash to whiten the noise if speed is an issue. As long as you restrict the output bit rate to less than the actual estimated entropy of the source, you should be alright, provided that your noise source is as random as you think it is. Then again, the truly paranoid may beg to differ. _______ Michael Paul Johnson mpj at ebible.org http://ebible.org http://cryptography.org PO BOX 1151, Longmont CO 80502-1151, USA Jesus Christ is Lord! From alan at clueserver.org Wed Aug 5 21:30:47 1998 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan Olsen) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mysterious taglines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980805213018.03c1dea0@clueserver.org> At 11:54 PM 8/5/98 -0400, Maurice Valmont wrote: > >At 04:55 PM 8/5/98 -0700, Tim May wrote in his .sig: > >>"The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of >>tyrants...." > >I suspect this is unlikely to happen until the oppressed realize that the >tree >of liberty needs also be watered with the blood of patriots. It also needs to be fertilized with the bullshit of propaganda and sprayed with the insecticide of secrecy. >>Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, >>anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero >>knowledge, reputations, information markets, >>black markets, collapse of governments. > >I'm curious: What exactly is "zero knowledge"? It is a protocol used by certain political and religious orders. It can be boiled down to "What I don't know, can't hurt me.". --- | Bill Clinton - Bringing back the Sixties one Nixon at a time! | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | | | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan at ctrl-alt-del.com| From wombat at mcfeely.bsfs.org Wed Aug 5 22:08:47 1998 From: wombat at mcfeely.bsfs.org (Rabid Wombat) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mysterious taglines In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980805235420.0072fa34@mail.fundi.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Maurice Valmont wrote: > At 04:55 PM 8/5/98 -0700, Tim May wrote in his .sig: > > > >Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, > >anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero > >knowledge, reputations, information markets, > >black markets, collapse of governments. > > I'm curious: What exactly is "zero knowledge"? I cannot discuss that here, as Tim May will likely enter the discussion to enforce his intellectual property rights and remind us that he discussed this before the rest of us were born. All worthwhile discussions of cryptography were held prior to 1994. This list is to be henceforth used for the posting of long rambling prose induced by the inhaling of household chemicals. Contact sniffmonger toto, check the archives, and bring me another scotch. "I know nutzhing! NUTZHING!" SGT Schultz Stalag 13 I'd like to tell you, but I cannot tell you that which you do not already know. Where on the 'net are Tartaglia and Cardano? How about Hakken and Appel? How many colors do you need to color a map, such that no two regions that share a boundary also share a color? Have I screwed up, and in my effort to prove to you that I know the secret, perhaps revealed it to you after all? From fygrave at freenet.bishkek.su Wed Aug 5 22:10:51 1998 From: fygrave at freenet.bishkek.su (CyberPsychotic) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: text analysis Message-ID: Hello folks, I have abit practical question, since I know this list is partly devoted to cryptography matters, I guess this is the right place to ask: So I was playing with some crypto-analysis algorythms, and some steps of them involve such thing as finding out the frequency of some character or set of characters. So I wonder what would be the optimal (speed, resources etc)way of coding this. While playing with single character frequency, I guess the best way would be having unsigned int 256 elements array (I refer to C coding) and each time, I find certain character, i just increase the element of the array with this char offset. This seems very neat to me (except the thing that some chars could be never found in text). Anyways, when things come to 2 characters set, i have to get 1024 character set, and so on, which looks quite unreasonable to me to allocate memory for elements, which probably will be never found in text... I was thinking of other solution and came to two way connected lists (correct term?) things, i.e. : i have some structure like: struct element { char value[ELEMENT_LENGTH]; unsigned int frequency; struct element *previous; struct element *next; } and could dinamically allocate memory for each new found element, but this would slow down whole code by the time list of new elements grow up. (b/c i will have to look thro.. whole list in order to find whether such element has already been found or not), so I wonder maybe there another neat way to complete tasks like this? I would appreciate any ideas, hints, code examples. (would be very helpful having a look on some code performing such a task, I surfed the web but didn't find many)... Thanks beforehands, Fyodor From dorisaw at idt.net Wed Aug 5 22:12:38 1998 From: dorisaw at idt.net (Doris) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 22:12:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mysterious taglines In-Reply-To: <199808052115.RAA41932@pimout1-int.prodigy.net> Message-ID: <35C93B5F.CE468C1D@idt.net> Maurice Valmont wrote: > > At 04:55 PM 8/5/98 -0700, Tim May wrote in his .sig: > > >"The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of > >tyrants...." > > I suspect this is unlikely to happen until the oppressed realize that the > tree > of liberty needs also be watered with the blood of patriots. > > >Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, > >anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero > >knowledge, reputations, information markets, > >black markets, collapse of governments. Aaaaah, a little jeopardy anyone? da da da da da da da da da da da daDa! da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da daDa! da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da daDa! da da da da "Partnerships" for $100... "What are the residual fX of ALL non prescription (that means recreational and damned fun if you went to Woodstock or Monterey for the left coast..) drugs?" > > I'm curious: What exactly is "zero knowledge"? correct! "Central Intelligence Agency for $400!" Duh? Doris http://idt.net/~dorisaw Is there any way to get 2-bit site certicates to all these darn websites? I wanna see my damn lock closed, even when I browse my own damned site! hehe From wcts at globalvisionexpo.com Wed Aug 5 23:37:11 1998 From: wcts at globalvisionexpo.com (wcts at globalvisionexpo.com) Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Follow-up Letter Message-ID: <199808060637.XAA00424@toad.com> From: Charles H. Borden President, GlobalVision Sarasota, Florida Please kindly direct to the Sales and Marketing Decision Maker Please accept this important reminder as follow up to my letter of last week about GlobalVision's potential effective marketing of your firm on our upcoming world tour. 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If you have received this message in error, please accept our apology. If you wish to be excluded from future mailings, simply press your reply button and send us the word "remove" in the subject line. Sincerely, Charles Borden President, GlobalVision From berke at gsu.linux.org.tr Thu Aug 6 02:26:39 1998 From: berke at gsu.linux.org.tr (Berke Durak) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:26:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 mgraffam at mhv.net wrote: [...] > > The noise coming off of the sound card is more beige than white though.. > > Does anyone know of any papers, articles or whatever on good techniques to > remove bias from the audio source? See the RFC 1750, Randomness Recommendations for Security. D. Eastlake, 3rd, S. Crocker & J. Schiller. December 1994. (Format: TXT=73842 bytes) A sample from the table of contents gives: [...] 5. Hardware for Randomness............................... 10 5.1 Volume Required...................................... 10 5.2 Sensitivity to Skew.................................. 10 5.2.1 Using Stream Parity to De-Skew..................... 11 5.2.2 Using Transition Mappings to De-Skew............... 12 5.2.3 Using FFT to De-Skew............................... 13 5.2.4 Using Compression to De-Skew....................... 13 5.3 Existing Hardware Can Be Used For Randomness......... 14 5.3.1 Using Existing Sound/Video Input................... 14 5.3.2 Using Existing Disk Drives......................... 14 6. Recommended Non-Hardware Strategy..................... 14 6.1 Mixing Functions..................................... 15 6.1.1 A Trivial Mixing Function.......................... 15 6.1.2 Stronger Mixing Functions.......................... 16 6.1.3 Diff-Hellman as a Mixing Function.................. 17 6.1.4 Using a Mixing Function to Stretch Random Bits..... 17 6.1.5 Other Factors in Choosing a Mixing Function........ 18 6.2 Non-Hardware Sources of Randomness................... 19 6.3 Cryptographically Strong Sequences................... 19 [...] Berke Durak - berke at gsu.linux.org.tr - http://gsu.linux.org.tr/kripto-tr/ PGP bits/keyID: 2047/F203A409 fingerprint: 44780515D0DC5FF1:BBE6C2EE0D1F56A1 From bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph Thu Aug 6 03:17:50 1998 From: bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph (Bernardo B. Terrado) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: compression vs encryption In-Reply-To: <199808031315.PAA15001@replay.com> Message-ID: What's the difference between compression and encryption? Correct me if I'm wrong, in compression we lose something, like in image compression and audio compression, but in encryption, we don't. One sure protection againts evil hackers is encryption (?), but what if that evil hacker deletes the ciphertext file and the plain text file (that is assuming the evil hacker just deletes every file he wants to delete). ---at least he/she didn't read/saw the file. =============================================================================== You give the words you have spoken, it is not lended and are not taken back. It is like what The Corrs sung "...you're forgiven not forgotten...." bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph bbt at peak-two.uplb.edu.ph metaphone at altavista.net From stuffed at stuffed.net Thu Aug 6 03:37:30 1998 From: stuffed at stuffed.net (STUFFED/EUREKA!) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Half a mil for a spill:Clinton's expensive cock-up/Robber shoots own knob off Message-ID: <19980806080000.26014.qmail@eureka.abc-web.com> Welcome to today's issue of Stuffed. To read it you should click on the URL below. If it is not made clickable by your email program you will need to use your mouse to highlight the line, copy it and then paste it into your browser (then press Return). http://stuffed.net/98/8/6/ If you have an email program that can display web pages you will find today's front cover should have already been disp- layed and can be clicked on to take you straight to Stuffed. This email is never sent unsolicited. Stuffed is the supplement for the Eureka newsletter you subscribed to. Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka! From brownrk1 at texaco.com Thu Aug 6 03:44:52 1998 From: brownrk1 at texaco.com (Brown, R Ken) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 03:44:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: compression vs encryption Message-ID: <896C7C3540C3D111AB9F00805FA78CE2013F8317@MSX11002> > Bernardo B. Terrado[SMTP:bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph] seemed to write: > > What's the difference between compression and encryption? Eh? Encryption means keeping things secret. Compression is keeping them small. Not the same thing at all. OK, they might use some of the same tools - but you can use a screwdriver to clean your nails. > Correct me if I'm wrong, in compression we lose something, like in > image compression and audio compression, but in encryption, we don't. Be corrected. You are wrong. There are ways of compressing that don't lose anything (like PKzip that you might have heard of...). There are ways of encrypting that don't compress. (in fact you might not want totally efficient compression in encryption because that might give an eavesdropper clues as to the real length of the plaintext which could be useful to them) > > One sure protection againts evil hackers is encryption (?), > but what if that evil hacker deletes the ciphertext file and the > plain text file (that is assuming the evil hacker just deletes > every file he wants to delete). I go to the backup, that's what. If I care enough about a file to encrypt it I care enough about it to back it up. Your hacker is doing what they call a "denial of service" attack. Encrypting your files doesn't make any difference is someone deletes them. You need different defences against different kinds of attack. Or was all this some sort of troll... > ====================================================================== > ========= > You give the words you have spoken, > it is not lended and are not taken back. > It is like what The Corrs sung "...you're forgiven not forgotten...." > > bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph > bbt at peak-two.uplb.edu.ph > metaphone at altavista.net > From mok-kong.shen at stud.uni-muenchen.de Thu Aug 6 04:03:22 1998 From: mok-kong.shen at stud.uni-muenchen.de (Mok-Kong Shen) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 04:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FOIA appeal In-Reply-To: <35C8BE3D.629B@nmol.com> Message-ID: <35C98D5B.875B030@stud.uni-muenchen.de> bill payne wrote: > Portions of the above document posted on Internet at > http://www.us.net/softwar/ and http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ > states > > 1. Gore charged with encryption policy according to PDD-5 and > PRD-27 on April 16, 1993. > > 2. Government officials represent themselves on Al Gore's behalf for > RSA patent purchase negotiations in Feb. 1994. > 3. RSA chairman Bidzos meets with Chinese officials at the same > time as Ron Brown in Oct. 1995. > > 4. RSA Chairman Bidzos enters into merger negotiations with Security > Dynamics, a company backed by Sanford Robertson, in Nov. 1995. > > 5. VP Gore calls Sanford Robertson from the White House for a > donation in Nov. 1995. > > 6. Robertson delivers $100,000 donation ($80,000 soft - $20,000 > directly into the Clinton/Gore campaign) in Jan. 1996. > 7. RSA signs deal with China in Feb. 1996. The administration > previously prosecuted similar deals but this time does nothing. > 8. Justice Dept. approves RSA merger with Security Dynamics in > April 1996 for $280 million dollars, netting Sanford Robertson's > company a cool $2 million just to write the deal. There is an old Chinese proverb: 'With money you can hire devils to turn your mills'. M. K. Shen From mok-kong.shen at stud.uni-muenchen.de Thu Aug 6 04:44:34 1998 From: mok-kong.shen at stud.uni-muenchen.de (Mok-Kong Shen) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 04:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: text analysis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <35C99712.A1572FA0@stud.uni-muenchen.de> CyberPsychotic wrote: > text). Anyways, when things come to 2 characters set, i have to get 1024 > character set, and so on, which looks quite unreasonable to me to allocate > memory for elements, which probably will be never found in text... I was > thinking of other solution and came to two way connected lists (correct > term?) things, i.e. : i have some structure like: > > struct element { > char value[ELEMENT_LENGTH]; > unsigned int frequency; > struct element *previous; > struct element *next; > } > and could dinamically allocate memory for each new found element, but > this would slow down whole code by the time list of new elements grow up. I think currently memory is cheap enough so that you could do frequency counts of at least trigrams with one dimensional array. M. K. Shen From astor at guardian.no Thu Aug 6 05:25:02 1998 From: astor at guardian.no (Alexander Kjeldaas) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 05:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SecDrv and Win95 In-Reply-To: <98Aug5.115014cdt.36865-1@gateway.mgmtscience.com> Message-ID: <19980806142451.61001@lucifer.guardian.no> On Wed, Aug 05, 1998 at 07:47:24PM -0000, nobody at nsm.htp.org wrote: > >>>>> Ian F Silver writes: > > > I'm looking at CFS (Cryptographic File System) for when I make the > > jump away from Microsoft towards S.u.S.E. Linux 5.2. > > Version 1.1.2 works quite well, but I'd really like to see someone > build it into the kernel. (Not me, alas: I'm up to my ears in other > GPL applications development, and you really don't want to let me near > an OS kernel...) There is something called TCFS - transparent cryptographic file system. You could take a look at ftp://ftp.pvv.org/pub/Linux/kerneli/v2.0/. I'm just starting a project to provide an easy to use and up to date international patch for the linux-kernel. The current patch integrates the steganography and crypto-patches for loopback filesystem, CIPE, and TCFS in one patch. I'm looking at integrating IPsec as well, but at this time, there are at least 5 different implementations of it. astor -- Alexander Kjeldaas, Guardian Networks AS, Trondheim, Norway http://www.guardian.no/ From adam at homeport.org Thu Aug 6 05:37:09 1998 From: adam at homeport.org (Adam Shostack) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 05:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mysterious taglines In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.19980805235420.0072fa34@mail.fundi.com> Message-ID: <199808061236.IAA06479@homeport.org> Maurice Valmont wrote: | >Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, | >anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero | >knowledge, reputations, information markets, | >black markets, collapse of governments. | | I'm curious: What exactly is "zero knowledge"? A cool new software company involving the usual suspects. Adam -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume From jim at mentat.com Thu Aug 6 06:03:18 1998 From: jim at mentat.com (Jim Gillogly) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 06:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: text analysis Message-ID: <9808061301.AA27007@mentat.com> CyberPsychotic writes: > So I was playing with some crypto-analysis algorythms, and some steps of > them involve such thing as finding out the frequency of some character or > set of characters. So I wonder what would be the optimal (speed, resources > etc)way of coding this. While playing with single character frequency, I > guess the best way would be having unsigned int 256 elements array (I > refer to C coding) and each time, I find certain character, i just > increase the element of the array with this char offset. This seems very > neat to me (except the thing that some chars could be never found in > text). Anyways, when things come to 2 characters set, i have to get 1024 > character set, and so on, which looks quite unreasonable to me to allocate > memory for elements, which probably will be never found in text... I was > thinking of other solution and came to two way connected lists (correct > term?) things, i.e. : i have some structure like: The term is "linked list". If you want to collect all the arbitrarily long repeats you may have to resign yourself to a two-pass algorithm. For small cryptograms like the ones I usually deal with, it's sufficient to use an N^2 algorithm, looking at each starting point and each possible offset to see whether a string of at least k characters is duplicated at that offset. For a longer file, off the top of my head, you might start with a set of pointers for where each possible digraph starts; you can use a linked list, storing all the starting locations for each digraph (a two-dimensional array of pointers, total size 64K). On your second pass you can do an N^2 search within those reduced sets to see which repeated digraphs can be extended. It will help a lot if your target ciphertext fits in memory. I make no claim that this is optimal. Jim Gillogly From honig at sprynet.com Thu Aug 6 07:31:04 1998 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:31:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980806073033.007cf540@m7.sprynet.com> At 09:12 PM 8/5/98 -0400, mgraffam at mhv.net wrote: >Hello all.. > >After a little bit of work I have put together a white noise source >(hacked FM reciever, heavily shielded to reduce local EMR bias) and >have it jacked into a mic port on one of my machines. I would like >to develop of bit of code (oh, horror :) to take bits from the sound >card, and bits from /dev/random, and mix them together to get a >random number stream. > >The noise coming off of the sound card is more beige than white though.. > >Does anyone know of any papers, articles or whatever on good techniques to >remove bias from the audio source? Let me save you the trouble. First, RFC 1750 gives some background including the info-theory behind bit 'distillation'. I have digitized FM radio hiss using a $10 transistor radio feeding into the LINE in of my soundcard. The spectrum looks poisson with prominant, periodically spaced noise spikes. It does not pass Diehard. But if you take the PARITY of 8 bits to get one bit, then assemble bytes out of these bits, the results pass Diehard. This works with 44Khz, 16 bit sampling, with full-volume hiss feeding the soundcard. I have yet to try this with a video adc sampling snow. 1. There are some nice spectrogramming shareware programs out there. 2. Diehard is invaluable. 3. Language is so vague. Don't export this filter: /* Alemb.c Alembic bit distiller Takes 8 bytes, computes the parity of each, composes a byte from the bits. 2 Aug Ported from Alembic.java which I had prototyped earlier 3 Aug modified to be faster */ #include /* return parity of byte input */ int parity(int c) { int i,p=0; for (i=0; i<8; i++) { p ^= c & 1; c >>= 1; } return p; } main(int argc, char **argv) { int c=0, p, n, i; int count=0, accum=0; int ones=0, zeroes=0; unsigned char parlut[256]; unsigned char buff[8]; FILE *fptr, *of; char *infname="test.wav"; char *outfname="test.bin"; int hist[256], max; if (argc>1) infname=argv[1]; if (argc>2) outfname=argv[2]; fprintf(stderr,"Alembic C 4 in=%s out=%s\n", infname, outfname); fptr = fopen(infname, "rb"); of = fopen(outfname, "wb"); for (p=0; p<256; p++) { parlut[p]=parity(p); /* initialize parity table */ hist[p]=0; } n=8; while (n==8) { n=fread(buff, 1,8, fptr); count += n; if (n==8) { for (i=0; i<8; i++) { p = parlut[ buff[i] ] ; accum <<= 1; accum |= p; /* measure */ if (p==1) ones++; else zeroes++; } fwrite(&accum,1,1,of); hist[accum]++; accum=0; } } printf("In: %0d bytes\n", count); printf("Out: %0d bytes\n", count/8); printf("output: 1's=%0d %0f% \n", ones, 100.0*ones/(ones+zeroes)); printf("output: 0's=%0d %0f% \n", zeroes, 100.0*zeroes/(ones+zeroes)); max=0; for (i=0; i<256; i++) {if (max Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, David Honig wrote: > I have digitized FM radio hiss using a $10 transistor radio feeding > into the LINE in of my soundcard. The spectrum looks poisson > with prominant, periodically spaced noise spikes. It does not pass Diehard. Yeah, I ran Diehard on it .. and that is why I wanted to find some references on removing bias. > But if you take the PARITY of 8 bits to get one bit, then assemble bytes > out of these bits, the results pass Diehard. This is a neat idea. I smiled when I read this in RFC1750 > 1. There are some nice spectrogramming shareware programs out there. I haven't been able to find any for UNIX/X .. any recommendations for Win31 (I'll try it with Wabi ;) software? [source clipped] :) Sweet. Thanks. Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net) http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc "Two things fill the mind with ever new and increasing admiration and awe the more often and steadily we reflect upon them: the starry heavens above and the moral law within me. I do not seek or conjecture either of them as if they were veiled obscurities or extravagances beyond the horizon of my vision; I see them before me and connect them immediately with the consciousness of my existence." - Immanuel Kant "Critique of Practical Reason" From nobody at replay.com Thu Aug 6 08:01:10 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: text analysis Message-ID: <199808061501.RAA26380@replay.com> A good data structure is a tree: -----> 2nd letter / ------> 3rd letter / / 1st letter -------> 2nd letter -------> 3rd letter \ \ \ ------> 3rd letter -----> 2nd letter \ -----> 3rd letter Start with an array indexed by the 26 letters. Each array entry contains a count of that letter's frequence and a pointer to a subsidary array. The pointer starts out null. When you find a new digraph (like the first time you find a letter after 'g') you allocate a new structure to represent the letters following 'g'. This will again consist of 26 entries like the first one. Likewise when you find a new trigraph, you allocate a new third-level array of 26 entries. This will be a compromise between space and speed. Most digraphs don't exist so you will save considerable space over the brute force way of allocating an array of 26^n spaces to count n-graphs. However it is a bit wasteful in that it allocates a full 26 entries each time even though only a small fraction will be used. The last layer does not need to have the pointers allocated per letter since you won't be looking beyond that (e.g. if you are only interested in counting trigraphs, the third layer above can consist of just an array of counts). struct entry { int count; struct entry *next; } top; Handle letter, given array of previous letters. prev[0] is current letter, prev[1] is 1st previous letter, prev[2] is 2nd previous letter, etc. Size of prev is n entries. Letters are normalized to range 0-25. Untested code, hopefully it will give you the idea. handle (int prev[], int n) { struct entry *cur; cur = top; for (i=0; inext['h'-'a'+1]->next['t'-'a'+1]. You can correct for this when you print them out. Or you can store the letters in the prev array in the opposite order, putting the current letter in prev[n-1], then they will be in the correct order. From em at who.net Thu Aug 6 08:33:55 1998 From: em at who.net (Enzo Michelangeli) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 08:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing Message-ID: <003801bdc14f$c2ec86e0$87004bca@home> -----Original Message----- From: mgraffam at mhv.net Date: Thursday, August 06, 1998 10:17 AM [[...]>The noise coming off of the sound card is more beige than white though.. > >Does anyone know of any papers, articles or whatever on good techniques to >remove bias from the audio source? > >My initial thoughts are along the lines of just hashing everything, but >this will be slow, and I'd like to see what other ideas are out there. What about an analog filter placed before the digitizer? Nowadays there should be inexpensive single-chip implementations of multiple-tap equalizers made for consumer audio. 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Secion D, cover: "A maverick cracks the code" with a big pic of Gilmore, description of the DES scam, Jeffersonian less gov't is more comment, and typical pop-media playup of his personal bio. [See also "Strange Brains and Genius", by Clifford Pickover, for more bios :-] The point: two or three column-feet(!) in a lowbrow high-volume rag. Mentions this list, too. Not bad advertising for under $3e5 guys.... honig at alum.mit.edu From honig at sprynet.com Thu Aug 6 10:31:55 1998 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980806073033.007cf540@m7.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980806103120.007cfb00@m7.sprynet.com> At 10:31 AM 8/6/98 -0400, mgraffam at mhv.net wrote: >On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, David Honig wrote: > >> I have digitized FM radio hiss using a $10 transistor radio feeding >> into the LINE in of my soundcard. The spectrum looks poisson >> with prominant, periodically spaced noise spikes. It does not pass Diehard. > >Yeah, I ran Diehard on it .. and that is why I wanted to find some >references on removing bias. > >> But if you take the PARITY of 8 bits to get one bit, then assemble bytes >> out of these bits, the results pass Diehard. > >This is a neat idea. I smiled when I read this in RFC1750 > >> 1. There are some nice spectrogramming shareware programs out there. > >I haven't been able to find any for UNIX/X .. any recommendations >for Win31 (I'll try it with Wabi ;) software? > You should probably look for native freeware, no? Otherwise look in various win archives. I have not yet done systematic experiments looking at, e.g., entropy in less-than full-amplitude noise, or intentionally filtering out various pieces of spectrum. The tables in RFC 1750 show that 8 bits is reasonable. Interestingly, the parity of a $10 10year old Radio shack monophonic FM radio, UNSHIELDED, in a digitally-noisy environment, sampled at 44Khz and 16 bits, passed Diehard. NB: Consumer computainment devices will include FM/TV receivers very shortly. Less of a rat's nest in back of the machine. I always thought listening to static was a suspicious activity. A CDROM burner is $350. "Entropy. Its not just for ambassadors anymore." honig at alum.mit.edu From honig at sprynet.com Thu Aug 6 10:41:53 1998 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing In-Reply-To: <003801bdc14f$c2ec86e0$87004bca@home> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980806104032.007dbc60@m7.sprynet.com> At 11:34 PM 8/6/98 +0800, Enzo Michelangeli wrote: >[[...]>The noise coming off of the sound card is more beige than white >though.. >> >>Does anyone know of any papers, articles or whatever on good techniques to >>remove bias from the audio source? >> >>My initial thoughts are along the lines of just hashing everything, but >>this will be slow, and I'd like to see what other ideas are out there. > >What about an analog filter placed before the digitizer? The engineering issue is this: no matter how great you filter out the junk, you don't have a perfect analog measurement to start with. (Note that filtering out junk reduces info content). So the question is how to distill the bits out of your binary digits. You need to reduce the number of bits; you need to make them equiprobable. I have not had luck*time implementing Shannon's method for distilling bits, mentioned as suggestion #2 in the RFC. This method produces perfect 0:1 ratio but takes indeterminate input bits to do so. Please post if you play with this. honig at alum.mit.edu From die at pig.die.com Thu Aug 6 11:27:44 1998 From: die at pig.die.com (Dave Emery) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980806073033.007cf540@m7.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <19980806142436.A4371@die.com> On Thu, Aug 06, 1998 at 10:31:20AM -0700, David Honig wrote: > At 10:31 AM 8/6/98 -0400, mgraffam at mhv.net wrote: > >On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, David Honig wrote: > > > >> I have digitized FM radio hiss using a $10 transistor radio feeding > >> into the LINE in of my soundcard. The spectrum looks poisson > >> with prominant, periodically spaced noise spikes. It does not pass This is expected of hard limiters below threshold (such as in a reasonable FM IF system fed Johnson noise). The spikes occur on phase discontinuities in the limiter output - what you are seeing is the input Johnson noise intermittantly inducing phase jumps in the output of the ringing IF filters shock excited by the broadband input noise. The IF filters tend to ring somewhat coherently until hit by another burst of noise which sets them off on another phase. Each phase jump shows up as a spike on the discriminator output. The narrower the bandwidth of the filters, the longer the spike and interspike intervals. Thus one needs an IF bandwidth considerably wider than the sample rate. Your parity scheme is pretty good, but simple zero crosses (or crossings of the long term mean value of the waveform) aren't bad either. Many years ago I suggested, half seriously, that simply taking a suitable cheap Radio Shack audio transformer and stepping the speaker output of a cheap FM radio tuned between stations to around 15 volts and shoving it directly into the CD or DSR input of a standard PC serial port would work as a quicky hardware noise source (this was before the near universality of soundcards on PCs). The serial port pins incorperate a threshold comparitor in the RS-232/423 receiver chips which would act to convert the noise to a string of 1s and 0s that could be sampled by reading the DSR value occasionally. Or one could use the DSR interrupt and record the time the zero crossing occurred and use this time stamp as a random (poisson distributed) value. > > I always thought listening to static was a suspicious activity. > My wife thinks so... -- Dave Emery N1PRE, die at die.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass. PGP fingerprint = 2047/4D7B08D1 DE 6E E1 CC 1F 1D 96 E2 5D 27 BD B0 24 88 C3 18 From mgraffam at mhv.net Thu Aug 6 11:55:15 1998 From: mgraffam at mhv.net (mgraffam at mhv.net) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 11:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980806103120.007cfb00@m7.sprynet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, David Honig wrote: > I have not yet done systematic experiments looking at, e.g., entropy in > less-than full-amplitude noise, or intentionally filtering out various > pieces of spectrum. After I get the software end sorted out, I'm going to start stripping the signal down and take look at some of this stuff too.. > Interestingly, the parity of a $10 10year old Radio shack monophonic > FM radio, UNSHIELDED, in a digitally-noisy environment, sampled > at 44Khz and 16 bits, passed Diehard. Yeah, that is pretty neat .. maybe I'll tear the shielding off of my source and see what sort of results I get. Maybe the shielding I put in place is unnecessary. Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net) http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc "If you die, you win.." John Landry, statistics professor discussing life insurance and probability From CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com Thu Aug 6 14:10:36 1998 From: CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 14:10:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 6, 1998 Message-ID: <199808061825.NAA27521@mailstrom.revnet.com> ========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM.� Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. If you cannot open the icon/attachment, please visit http://www.wow-com.com/professional/ for the wireless daily news. Don't miss the major conference on implementing Phase 2 of the E-911 requirement--August 26-27 in San Francisco.� For more information click http://www.wow-com.com/pdf/locntech.pdf =========================================== From honig at sprynet.com Thu Aug 6 17:31:16 1998 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980806103120.007cfb00@m7.sprynet.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980806161909.007ca100@m7.sprynet.com> At 02:24 PM 8/6/98 -0400, Dave Emery wrote: > > This is expected of hard limiters below threshold (such as in a >reasonable FM IF system fed Johnson noise). The spikes occur on phase >discontinuities in the limiter output - what you are seeing is the input >Johnson noise intermittantly inducing phase jumps in the output of the >ringing IF filters shock excited by the broadband input noise. The IF >filters tend to ring somewhat coherently until hit by another burst of >noise which sets them off on another phase. Each phase jump shows up as >a spike on the discriminator output. The narrower the bandwidth of the >filters, the longer the spike and interspike intervals. Thus one needs >an IF bandwidth considerably wider than the sample rate. Given that the cheapo radio was 10 cm from a 21" monitor, I don't think you need to invoke noise-driven resonances in the humble radio. I was/am interested in robust methods that don't depend on exquisite analog equalization, etc. Zero crossings are analogs (pun intended) of RFC1750's #2 method (via Shannon): map 01 -> 1 map 10 -> 0 00, 11 are no-ops. Note that for a digital signal you are detecting level-changes. (Vdd/2 changes?) Waiting for zero crossing will give you perfect 0:1 ratio, but you may have to wait arbitrarily long (but will almost certainly not, in the formal sense ---there's a decaying exponential in there). From em at who.net Thu Aug 6 17:53:17 1998 From: em at who.net (Enzo Michelangeli) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:53:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing Message-ID: <00be01bdc19d$e74dbe20$88004bca@home> -----Original Message----- From: mgraffam at mhv.net Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 4:14 AM >> Interestingly, the parity of a $10 10year old Radio shack monophonic >> FM radio, UNSHIELDED, in a digitally-noisy environment, sampled >> at 44Khz and 16 bits, passed Diehard. > >Yeah, that is pretty neat .. maybe I'll tear the shielding off of my >source and see what sort of results I get. Maybe the shielding I >put in place is unnecessary. Hmmm... IMHO, it just means that you can't rely on statistic tests alone in order to measure entropy content. In fact, you can't measure it at all: you can only set upper bounds, but, sadly, no lower bounds. Remember: also pi's digits would pass DIEHARD, and an external attacker could well inject such kind of EMI into an unshielded receiver. Enzo From em at who.net Thu Aug 6 17:53:22 1998 From: em at who.net (Enzo Michelangeli) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing Message-ID: <00bf01bdc19d$eb2c09c0$88004bca@home> -----Original Message----- From: David Honig Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 1:58 AM >>What about an analog filter placed before the digitizer? > >The engineering issue is this: no matter how great you filter out >the junk, you don't have a perfect analog measurement to start with. >(Note that filtering out junk reduces info content). Well, linear analog filters are reversible, so, by themselves, they neither destroy nor create information. In practice they may add some noise of their own, drowning the original signal, but in our case this is good, not bad :-) The relationship between entropy and reversibility is a deep one, of course. That's also why reversible computing can, among other things, reduce the power consumption without any theoretical limit. Enzo From mgraffam at mhv.net Thu Aug 6 18:50:43 1998 From: mgraffam at mhv.net (mgraffam at mhv.net) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Noise source processing In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980806161909.007ca100@m7.sprynet.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, David Honig wrote: > Zero crossings are analogs (pun intended) of > RFC1750's #2 method (via Shannon): > > map 01 -> 1 > map 10 -> 0 > 00, 11 are no-ops. RFC1750 attributes this to von Neumann. Michael J. Graffam (mgraffam at mhv.net) http://www.mhv.net/~mgraffam -- Philosophy, Religion, Computers, Crypto, etc They (who) seek to establish systems of government based on the regimentation of all human beings by a handful of individual rulers.. call this a new order. 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What it is, man! -- dim k-rad k3wl CyPhErPuNk d00dz From nobody at replay.com Thu Aug 6 22:21:53 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is there a freeware knockoff of SSH for win95 Message-ID: <199808070521.HAA17085@replay.com> I'm looking for something to encrypt all of my web browsing while I am at work. My work keeps a couple gigs devoted to a cache file in the proxy and I want to find a cheap way around that for my work. Personally paying for Fsecure SSH is not worth it just for work. I would be wiiling to pay for an account at cyberpass.net for their ssh server but the software is way too much. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From alan at clueserver.org Thu Aug 6 22:44:32 1998 From: alan at clueserver.org (Alan Olsen) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:44:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is there a freeware knockoff of SSH for win95 In-Reply-To: <199808070521.HAA17085@replay.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980806224358.03cd4330@clueserver.org> At 07:21 AM 8/7/98 +0200, Anonymous wrote: > >I'm looking for something to encrypt all of my web browsing while I am >at work. My work keeps a couple gigs devoted to a cache file in the >proxy and I want to find a cheap way around that for my work. >Personally paying for Fsecure SSH is not worth it just for work. >I would be wiiling to pay for an account at cyberpass.net for their >ssh server but the software is way too much. I would like to find any of the Win95 versions that immplement scp (Secure Copy). Look for a product called SecureCRT. It has a 30 day trial period. http://www.vandyke.com/ should have more info on it. --- | Bill Clinton - Bringing back the Sixties one Nixon at a time! | |"The moral PGP Diffie taught Zimmermann unites all| Disclaimer: | | mankind free in one-key-steganography-privacy!" | Ignore the man | | | behind the keyboard.| | http://www.ctrl-alt-del.com/~alan/ |alan at ctrl-alt-del.com| From bill.stewart at pobox.com Thu Aug 6 23:12:56 1998 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: text analysis In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980806202007.0090e140@popd.ix.netcom.com> At 01:44 PM 8/6/98 +0100, Mok-Kong Shen wrote: >CyberPsychotic wrote: >> text). Anyways, when things come to 2 characters set, i have to get 1024 >> character set, and so on, which looks quite unreasonable to me to allocate >> memory for elements, which probably will be never found in text... I was >> thinking of other solution and came to two way connected lists (correct >> term?) things, i.e. : i have some structure like: >> >> struct element { >> char value[ELEMENT_LENGTH]; >> unsigned int frequency; >> struct element *previous; >> struct element *next; >> } >> and could dinamically allocate memory for each new found element, but >> this would slow down whole code by the time list of new elements grow up. > >I think currently memory is cheap enough so that you could do >frequency counts of at least trigrams with one dimensional array. RAM is cheap - any 486 computer and most 386 computers has at least 4MB. In the US, most new PCs have 16MB or more, and many have 64MB. But learning how to program efficiently is still important :-) And some computers have operating systems that make it hard to use all of the RAM. Disk is cheaper - almost all new computers have 1GB or more, and most older desktops have at least 200MB. You probably should use 32-bit integers to store your counters, but you need to make sure your program does the right thing if you exceed counts of 2**31. Are you counting all kinds of text, or only words made of alphabetic characters and spaces and punctuation, or only ASCII 127-bit? Your 1024 number is 32*32, which sounds like only alphabetic and spaces; if that's good enough, you could do 32*32*32*32 with 4-byte counts and still fit in 4MB. If you want all 256 possible 8-bit characters, two characters requires 64K counters (256KB). Trigrams require 16 million counters if you allocate space for them all, which is 64MB, and may be expensive. But you could store 256*256 pointers in 256KB, and allocate memory for 256-counter arrays only for the digrams that appear, and probably save lots of memory. You could also store the counts on disk, and keep only the more frequently used arrays of counts in RAM. This was how we did things in the old days, when almost everything was too big for RAM, and it really is much slower if you're not careful :-) If you have a machine with a real operating system, you can pretend keep your counters in RAM and let the operating system decide what to page out to disk. Think about this carefully, because it can be very fast or very slow depending on how well you write your programs. Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, bill.stewart at pobox.com PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639 From bill.stewart at pobox.com Thu Aug 6 23:12:56 1998 From: bill.stewart at pobox.com (Bill Stewart) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SecDrv and Win95 In-Reply-To: <199808050819.KAA06317@replay.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980806202703.008a8e60@popd.ix.netcom.com> At 11:50 AM 8/5/98 -0500, Ian F. Silver wrote: >I found an interesting "mount a container as a drive letter" >encryption program in finland called "BestCrypt NP", [...] >It has three algorithms that you can pick from for encryption: > GOST28147-89 (32 rounds, 256 bits primary key, 512 bits secondary key) > Blowfish (in Cipher Block Chaining Mode with 256-bit key length and 16 rounds) > DES >I use Blowfish and GOST (depending on the size of the container I'm >working with), and avoided DES, even before Deep Crack was invented. Never Never Trust GOST !!! The security of GOST depends on the quality of the S-Boxes (or whatever the equivalent fields in GOST are called). The Soviets provided different sets for military and civilian use, and unless you know a lot about the design, you can't tell strong ones from weak ones - you have to worry about differential and linear cryptanalysis, plus any other attacks that may have been developed over the years. 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From jya at pipeline.com Fri Aug 7 04:45:29 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 04:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Export Controls Revised Message-ID: <199808071145.HAA13751@camel14.mindspring.com> BXA published in the Federal Register today revisions to the EAR to fit Wassenaar/Anti-terrorism controls: http://jya.com/bxa080798.txt The changes show that the shift from global cold warfare to global anti-terrorism continues without diminution of national security terrorism. And crypto remains a terrifying threat to the natsec warriors aiming to maintain global snooping. From billp at nmol.com Fri Aug 7 07:04:27 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Another criminal complaint affidavit Message-ID: <35CB083D.44D0@nmol.com> Friday 8/7/98 7:43 AM Art Morales Let�s hope the government gets these messed settled before they become WORSE. bill Friday 8/7/98 7:30 AM Certified Return receipt requested Proctor Hug Jr Chief Judge, Ninth Circuit 50 West Liberty Street Reno, NV 89501-1948 (702) 784-5631 784-5166 fax Dear judge Hug: Purposes of this letter- criminal complaint affidavit are to 1 file a criminal complaint affidavits against Ninth circuit Senior Case Expeditor Gwen Baptiste for Obstruction of Justice, 2 ask why not have not yet done your job. On 4/1/98 I forwarded to you criminal complaint affidavits for proper processing. In a hand-addressed envelope stamped CONFIDENTIAL with return address CLERK, U.S. COURT OF APPEALS P.O. BOX 547 SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94101-0547 OFFICIAL BUSINESS PENALTY FOR PRIVATE USE, 300 postmarked SAN FRANCISCO, CALIF APR 24 98 U.S. POSTAGE $2.62 METER 504753 some returned the complaints to me. On May 5, 1998 I received the ATTACHED letter which states Re: Complaint of Judicial Misconduct We have received your complaint of judicial misconduct or disability. It is being returned to you for failure to comply with the Rules of the Judicial Counsel of the Ninth Circuit Governing Complaints of Judicial Misconduct or Disability (Rules). See Rule 3(d). ... xx_A copy of these Rules is enclosed. To understand the purpose of the procedure and who may be complained about, please refer to Rules 1 and 2. ... xx Statement of facts exceed five pages See Rule 2(b). ... xx Other. Please complete the complaint form and return sufficient copies. See attached Rules for guidance. Your complaint can only be against Article Three Judges. Very truly yours, signature Gwen Baptiste Senior Case Expeditor Judge Hug, I am NOT filing a COMPLAINT OF JUDICIAL MISCONDUCT. I am filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS in accordance with procedures set forth in law. Our forefathers designed the criminal law system with the possibility in mind that a cabal of lawyers might band together in an attempt to prevent prosecution of one or more friends. Therefore, if local federal officials will not do their duty and prosecute for criminal activity IN WRITING , then a citizen has the right to seek and select a magistrate from another district. Most individuals would interpret the letter U.S. Department of Justice United States Attorney District of New Mexico Post Office Box 607 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87103 505/766 3341 505/766 2868 FAX 505/766-8517 May 19, 1997 Mr. William A. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandia, NE Albuquerque, New Mexico 87111 Dear Mr. Payne: My name is Robert J. Gorence. I am the First Assistant U.S. Attorney and the Chief of the Criminal Division for the United States Attorney's Office for the District of New Mexico. I am in receipt of your February 13, 1997 letter to Judge Frank John McGill as well as your September 20, 1996 Request for Examination of Report Filed by a Judicial Officer. In your letter to Judge McGill, you assert on page 2, paragraph 4 that you have filed a "criminal complaint affidavit" with Judge Bunton. On page 4 you accuse Judge Paul Kelly of a felony. On page 8 you assert that you are waiting receipt of an arrest warrant for Judge Kelly. I do not understand the basis of your assertions. However, I will tell you that any attempt by you to privately execute any type of "arrest warrant," against any member of the federal judiciary would constitute a violation of 18 U.S.C. � 1201 - Kidnaping, a felony which carries a potential of life imprisonment. Also, attempts on your part to file private "criminal complaint affidavits" or "arrest warrants" regarding members of the federal judiciary would constitute a violation of 18 U.S.C. � 111 - Impeding a Federal Officer in the Performance of Their Official Duties. I trust you will take my warnings seriously and that you will cease this obstreperous conduct. If you do not, federal criminal charges will be filed against you. Sincerely, [Signature] ROBERT J. GORENCE First Assistant U.S. Attorney RJG/maf http://www.jya.com/whprjg.htm as an indication that justice would not be forthcoming from the New Mexico District Attorney�s Office. Therefore, I sought external relief. First with Judge Fern Smith, District of Northern California on March 11, 1996. Smith along with Albuquerque FBI agent-in-charge Thomas Knier sent FBI agents to our home to attempt to threaten me. Next I sought relief from J. Clifford Wallace, chief judge, Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on July 9, 1996. Wallace received a criminal complaint affidavit on Knier on July 15, 1996 for sending FBI agents in an attempt to threaten me. Ms. Corina Orozco, Deputy Clerk., Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals wrote me August 15, 1996 This court is in receipt of you letters dated July 15, 1996. If you wish to file an appeal in this court and seek judicial relief you must first file an action in the U.S. District Court. NO, judge Hug, I was filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS. Gwen Baptiste from the Office of the Clerk, United States Court of Appeals for The Ninth Circuit, wrote on July 25, 1996 Re: Complaint of Judicial Misconduct We have received your complaint of judicial misconduct. Pursuant to the Rules of the Judicial Council of the Ninth Circuit Governing Complaints of Judicial Misconduct or Disability, you complaint is being returned to you for compliance with the above rules. A copy of these rules is enclosed. To understand the purpose of the procedure and who may be complaint about please refer to Rules 1 and 2. AGAIN, judge Hug, I am filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS not COMPLAINTS OF JUDICIAL MISCONDUCT. Judge Hug, I hope it is FINALLY CLEAR that I am filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS as I am entitled to do by law. Judge Hug, THE DOCUMENTS YOU SHOULD HAVE IN YOUR POSSESSION and you can view on Internet at http://www.jya.com/snlhit.htm show 1 Criminal violations of the Privacy Act http://www.jya.com/hr105-37.txt ATTACHED 11 pages beginning with Sandia National Laboratories director Michael Robles writing EEOC Director Charles Burtner. A I never saw the documents until Sandia employee Richard Gallegos gave me a copy in 1997. B Sandia denied that the documents existed. C The documents contain factually incorrect information. I did NOTHING WRONG. I followed all Sandia procedures known to me and obtained all required Sandia approvals. D I was never given an opportunity to defend myself. http://jya.com/greene.htm E Neither Sandia nor EEOC had my permission in writing for release of the information. 2 A ATTACHED PERJURED SWORN affidavit by Sandia attorney Gregory Cone submitted of the court of New Mexico judge John Conway. AFFIDAVIT OF GREGORY A. CONE Gregory A. Cone, being duly sworn, deposes and states: 1. I am employed by Sandia Corporation. I am an attorney admitted to practice law in the State of California and before the U. S. Patent and Trademark Office and concentrate on legal issues related to patent and copyright law. In that capacity, I am familiar with activities at the Sandia National Laboratories ("Sandia") as they related to what is sometimes referred to as "reverse engineering." ... It is the general view at Sandia that disassembly of "object code" under such circumstances constitutes a "fair use" of copyrighted software under 17 U.S.C. article 107 and is thus permissible. Sandia bases its view on Sega Enterprises v. Accolade, Inc. 977 F.2d 1510, 24 U.S.P. Q. 2d 1561 (9th Cir. 1992), amended, 1993 U. S. App. LEXIS 78, and Atari Games Corp v. Nintendo of America, Inc, 975 F.2d 832 (Fed. Cir. 1992) ... FURTHER, Affidavit sayeth naught. (signed) GREGORY A. CONE. SUBSCRIBED, SWORN TO and ACKNOWLEDGED before me on this 12th day of August, 1993, by Gregory A. Cone." (signed) Mary A. Resnick Notary Public My Commission Expires: 2-7-94 Lawyer Cone has citations reversed. The U. S. Patent Quarterly references the Atari v Nintendo lawsuit. 1510 should be corrected to 1015. Judge Fern Smith ruled in both cases: The first two cases to directly address the issue of intermediate copying both originated in California's Northern District Court. They are Atari v. Nintendo and Sega v. Accolade. In both cases, the district court found that intermediate copying was NOT fair use. ... In a strong opinion she [Fern Smith] wrote in March 1991, when granting Nintendo's request for a preliminary injunction against Atari, she lambasted Atari's lawyers for thievery. ... However, both cases have been overruled on appeal. In the ground-breaking Atari decision, the Federal Circuit held that intermediate copying was a fair use. The Sega decision, which was appealed to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, similarly overruled the district court and held that intermediate copying may be fair use. The New Use of Fair Use: Accessing Copyrighted Programs Through Reverse Engineering, Stephen B. Maebius, Journal of the Patent and Trademark Office Society, June 1993, 75, n6, p433 Cone's affidavit attempts to create the appearance that reverse engineering I REFUSED to do for the FBI was legal before July 27, 1992, the date of my firing. Decision of the appeal was apparently Decided SEPTEMBER 10, 1992. Page 1016 from 24 USPQ 2d, Atari Games Corp. v. Nintendo of America. I was fired JULY 27, 1992! Lawyer Cone has under oath knowingly made a false material declaration before a court. Judge Hug, we just can�t get the arrest warrant issued for Cone YET. Or for those who violated the criminal sections of the Privacy Act Judges and clerks who are apparently are reluctant to properly proceed against other federal or federal contract employee are themselves committing crimes. Judge Hug, there is ONE SET OF LAWS in the United States of America. Not a set of laws which applies to ordinary citizens and another which apply to judges, clerks, federal and federal contract employees. Rule 3 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, entitled the Complaint provides: The complaint is a written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged. It shall be made upon oath before a magistrate. As you may be aware, An individual may "make a written complaint on oath before an examining and committing magistrate, and obtain a warrant of arrest." This is in conformity with the Federal Constitution, and "consonant with the principles of natural justice and personal liberty found in the common law." [United States v Kilpatrick (1883, DC NC) 16G 765, 769] You may also be aware, A complaint though quite general in terms is valid if it sufficiently apprises the defendant of the nature of the offense with which he is charged. [United States v Wood (1927, DC Tex) 26F2d 908, 910, affd (CA5 Tex) 26 F2d 912. And for your edification, The commission of a crime must be shown by facts positively stated. The oath or affirmation required is of facts and not opinions or conclusion. [United States ex rel. King v Gokey (1929, DC NY) 32 F2d 793, 794] The complaint must be accompanied by an oath. [Re Rules of Court (1877, CC Ga) 3 Woods 502, F Cas No 12126] A complaint must be sworn to before a commissioner or other officer empowered to commit persons charged with offenses against the United States. [United States v Bierley ( 1971, WD Pa) 331 F Supp 1182] Such office is now called a magistrate. A complaint is ordinarily made by an investigating officer or agent, and where private citizens seek warrants of arrest, the practice recommended by the Judicial Conference of the United States is to refer the complaint to the United States Attorney. However, further reference to him is rendered futile where a mandamus proceeding is brought to compel him to prosecute and he opposes the proceeding. [Pugach v Klein (1961, SD NY) 193 F Supp 630, citing Manual for United States Commissioners 5 (1948)] Any attempt to bring criminal complaints to government authorities would, of course, be as evidenced by Gorrence�s letter http://www.jya.com/whprjg.htm . I am a citizen of the United States and you are the assigned magistrate. In order to satisfy the requirement of the Constitution and Rules 3 and 4, a written and sworn complaint should set forth the essential facts constituting the offense charged and also facts showing that the offense was committed and that the defendant committed it. And, As to the requirement that the complaint be made on personal knowledge of the complainant, it is enough for the issuance of a warrant that a complainant shows it to be on the knowledge of the complainant. [Giordenello v United States (1958) 357 US 480, 2 L Ed. 2d 1503, 78 S Ct 1245, rev. (Ca5 Tx) 241 F2d 575, 579 in accord Rice v Ames (1901) 180 US 371, 45 L Ed 577, 21 S ct 406, and United States v Walker, (1952, CA2 NY) 197 F 2d 287, 289, cert den 344 US 877, 97 L Ed 679, 73 S Ct 172] So as to keep contiguous the requirements of the law and the criminal complaint affidavits, I will include this complaint in this letter to you. CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVIT: Gwen Baptiste Essential material facts are: 1 July 25, 1996 Gwen Baptiste improperly returns criminal complaint affidavits properly forwarded to Ninth Circuit judge J Clifford Wallace. 2 May 5, 1998 Bapitist repeats return of criminal complaint affidavits properly sent to judge Proctor Hug Jr. COUNT 1 3 Ninth circuit Senior Case Expeditor Gwen Baptiste is charged with REPEATED INTENTIONAL MACLIOUS Obstruction of Justice, 18 USC 1512, (b) and (c). Title 18 Obstruction of Justice, Article 1512, as amended, states Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant (b) Whoever knowingly uses intimidation ... threatens, ... or engages in misleading conduct toward another person with intent to - (3) hinder, delay or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense ... (c) Whoever intentionally harasses another person and thereby hinders, delays, prevents, or dissuades any person from - (1) reporting to a law enforcement or judge of the United States the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense ... or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned ... for Baptiste�s TWO attempts to convince citizen Payne to file a judicial misconduct complaint when Payne was filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS. VERIFICATION Under penalty of perjury as provided by law, the undersigned certifies pursuant to 28 USC section 1746 that material factual statements set forth in this criminal complaint are true and correct, except as to any matters therein stated to be information and belief of such matters the undersigned certifies as aforesaid that the undersigned verily believes the same to be true. Date William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 505-292-7037 Judge Hug, many citizens are becoming disgusted with government misconduct. Something must be done to correct this. One example is of government misconduct is how the Department of Justice handled the case of a citizen ACCUSED of a federal firearm violation. http://www.monumental.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/ Displeasure with the way the government handled to bring the ACCUSED to justice led to an unfortunate display of dissatisfaction. ARTICLES RELATED TO OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Tenth circuit court clerks and judges violated their own rules denying court wins to citizen Morales and myself. Senator Orrin Hatch improperly processed a judicial misconduct complaint against New Mexico judge John Conway. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm These two acts mostly caused Morales and me AND OTHERS to reveal additional unfortunate decisions by factions within the US government in the hope PROMPT SETTLEMENT will bring relief. http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm http://caq.com/cryptogate http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm We seeks changes within the law so as to avoid future citizen frustration of our government and legal system not working properly. And possible unacceptable, but understandable, future expressions of frustrations of government employees not obeying the law. WRITTEN EVIDENCE both in document copies and on Internet is so BLATANT that crimes have been committed. I ask that you do you job and issue the warrants of arrest. Or write me and tell me why you cannot. I ask that you respond within 30 days. No response is an invalid response. As accused felon former chief judge J Clifford Wallace may now know. Sincerely, William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Distribution Antoin Scalia http://www.jya.com/whpscalia.htm Certified Return receipt requested http://www.senate.gov/committee/judiciary.html 9 From jya at pipeline.com Fri Aug 7 07:53:42 1998 From: jya at pipeline.com (John Young) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 07:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Eudora Flaw Message-ID: <199808071453.KAA00807@camel14.mindspring.com> Markoff reports in today's NY Times on Eudora's e-mail security flaw: http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/yr/mo/biztech/articles/07email-code.html It's the feature which allows clicking on a URL in a message, which can run an attached malicious program, or otherwise trash a user's disk. A fix is due out this afternoon from Qualcomm. In the meantime NYT says the flaw can be fixed by going to "Options," "Viewing Mail" and turning off "Use Microsoft's viewer." Security experts are quoted: beware any attachment to E-mail, and not just for Eudora. From CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com Fri Aug 7 11:22:29 1998 From: CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 7, 1998 Message-ID: <199808071802.NAA22380@mailstrom.revnet.com> ========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM.� Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. If you cannot open the icon/attachment, please visit http://www.wow-com.com/professional/ for the wireless daily news. Don't miss the major conference on implementing Phase 2 of the E-911 requirement--August 26-27 in San Francisco.� For more information, click http://www.wow-com.com/pdf/locntech.pdf =========================================== From clerke at emirates.net.ae Fri Aug 7 12:04:31 1998 From: clerke at emirates.net.ae (wayne clerke) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 12:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is there a freeware knockoff of SSH for win95 In-Reply-To: <199808070521.HAA17085@replay.com> Message-ID: <002901bdc236$1c6956d0$86a9aac2@strange> I'm using the ssh32 client (updated last month) by Cedomir Igaly (c.igaly at doc.ic.ac.uk) under win NT4 and forwarding the http (and mail and news) packets. It's working like a charm. There's a recent 16bit version as well. http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~ci2/ssh/ regards, Mail: Wayne Clerke PGP key id: AEB2546D F/P: D663D11EDA19D74F5032DC7EE001B702 PGP key id: 57AA1C10 F/P: 9926BF8918B7EB3623A7 AFA46572C5B857AA1C10 PGP mail welcome. Voice: +971 506 43 4853 If you're not living on the edge, you're taking up too much space. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-cypherpunks at Algebra.COM > [mailto:owner-cypherpunks at Algebra.COM]On Behalf Of Anonymous > Sent: Friday, August 07, 1998 09:22 > To: cypherpunks at toad.com > Subject: Is there a freeware knockoff of SSH for win95 > > > > I'm looking for something to encrypt all of my web browsing while I am > at work. My work keeps a couple gigs devoted to a cache file in the > proxy and I want to find a cheap way around that for my work. > Personally paying for Fsecure SSH is not worth it just for work. > I would be wiiling to pay for an account at cyberpass.net for their > ssh server but the software is way too much. > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > From nobody at replay.com Fri Aug 7 16:11:59 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 16:11:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SecDrv and Win95 Message-ID: <199808072311.BAA15324@replay.com> Ian F. Silver wrote: > I use Blowfish and GOST (depending on the size of the container I'm > working with), and avoided DES, even before Deep Crack was invented. > :-) > "Deep Crack" was invented in 1993 by John Gilmore. (based on a paper at Eurocrypt '93). It was implemented more recently. BTW this is all in the archives in 1993. Everything was discussed in the first 12 months of cypherpunks. From gwb at gwb.com.au Fri Aug 7 17:46:19 1998 From: gwb at gwb.com.au (Global Web Builders) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Pauline Hanson's One Nation - August update Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980807235951.00748d80@gwb.com.au> Issue 2.1a, August 1998 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- PLEASE NOTE: No unsolicited email is sent. If you do not want to be on the mailing list please say "REMOVE" in the subject line and return this message in the body. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear One Nation supporter in NSW, -------------- One Nation and media reporting: There appears to be a discernable move by certain journalists in Australia to look back upon the professionalism (or lack of it) of their own profession in their reporting on Pauline Hanson and One Nation over the last few years. The reflective mood appears to have stemmed from the eviction of a Queensland Times journalist and photographer from a press conference a few weeks back for what Mrs Hanson saw as 'unbalanced' reporting by the paper in the lead up to the Queensland State Election. On Monday night (10th August) the ABC's Four Corners programme will be looking at One Nation and the media. A book is currently being written by a well-know political commentator, author and publisher who will be looking at the same theme. In relation to this subject - you might find a One Nation's members firsthand viewpoint on the recent 60 Minutes debate between established mainstream party representatives and One Nation members of interest: http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/onenation/60 The agreed format of the debate is clearly in dispute. --------------- The recent Nicholas street rally in Ipswich: The Ipswich City Council took the extreme, undemocratic step of locking Mrs Hanson out of the Ipswich Civic Centre last week. Undaunted Mrs Hanson went ahead with the rally to address her constituents in the seat of Oxley in the open street. She faced about 500 supporters and about 100 protesters in an explosive environment which was handled, as always, with great professionalism by the Queensland police. Full report with pictures here: http://www.gwb.com.au/gwb/news/onenation/nicholas Your rights if confronted by protesters (1914 Crimes Act) are also outlined at this link. --------------- The One Nation Website: This has been upgraded and is now fully searchable. There is also a new "theme" based page to give you clues to accessing specific areas within what has become a massive historical archive on One Nation. See: http://www.onenation.com.au --------------- The One Nation on-line discussion forum: In another first One Nation MPs are now interacting directly with and taking notes from the One Nation discussion board. Another Australian first by One nation. You may join the participants on this moderated discussion board by sending an email to the writer. The discussion board can be seen at: http://plato.itsc.adfa.edu.au/politics/ GWB Scott Balson From seaex at big.net.au Fri Aug 7 19:35:57 1998 From: seaex at big.net.au (Sea-Ex) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:35:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: An apology Message-ID: <01bdc273$c6f34060$853a08d2@vognuefu> Dear Kryz � Thank you for your response. � We apologise profusely for any inconvenience caused by our Newsletter.� Due to a computer malfunction, a data-base was transferred and sent that was not intended.� We have� rectified this fault, and no� transmissions apart from the original ONE (1)� have been sent,although some servers may relay messages - again we apologise, but it is now out of our control. � We have removed your name from ALL files, as you requested. � Regards SEA-EX� AUSTRALIAN SEAFOOD EXPORTS From billp at nmol.com Fri Aug 7 19:55:28 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Berlin Diaries, 1940-1945 Message-ID: <35CBBCF7.1CD0@nmol.com> Friday 8/7/98 8:10 PM J Orlin Grabbe http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ The Great Crash by John Kenneth Galbraith pointed out that the crash did not come with one catastrophic plunge. Rather the market, lowered, many thinking this was the bottom, reinvested. The market lowered again. This cycle, Galbraith pointed out, was repeated until about everyone was broke. http://www.cib.org.uk/eng/alinks/a000769.htm About corrupt courts, EVEN the Nazi�s were finally so horrified by what happened after the assassination attempt on Hitler the Nazi�s even became appalled. A GREAT BOOK about this was written Berlin Diaries, 1940-1945 by Marie Vassiltchikov Later bill Friday 8/7/98 7:30 AM Certified Return receipt requested Proctor Hug Jr Chief Judge, Ninth Circuit 50 West Liberty Street Reno, NV 89501-1948 (702) 784-5631 784-5166 fax Dear judge Hug: Purposes of this letter- criminal complaint affidavit are to 1 file a criminal complaint affidavits against Ninth circuit Senior Case Expeditor Gwen Baptiste for Obstruction of Justice, 2 ask why not have not yet done your job. On 4/1/98 I forwarded to you criminal complaint affidavits for proper processing. In a hand-addressed envelope stamped CONFIDENTIAL with return address CLERK, U.S. COURT OF APPEALS P.O. BOX 547 SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94101-0547 OFFICIAL BUSINESS PENALTY FOR PRIVATE USE, 300 postmarked SAN FRANCISCO, CALIF APR 24 98 U.S. POSTAGE $2.62 METER 504753 some returned the complaints to me. On May 5, 1998 I received the ATTACHED letter which states Re: Complaint of Judicial Misconduct We have received your complaint of judicial misconduct or disability. It is being returned to you for failure to comply with the Rules of the Judicial Counsel of the Ninth Circuit Governing Complaints of Judicial Misconduct or Disability (Rules). See Rule 3(d). ... xx_A copy of these Rules is enclosed. To understand the purpose of the procedure and who may be complained about, please refer to Rules 1 and 2. ... xx Statement of facts exceed five pages See Rule 2(b). ... xx Other. Please complete the complaint form and return sufficient copies. See attached Rules for guidance. Your complaint can only be against Article Three Judges. Very truly yours, signature Gwen Baptiste Senior Case Expeditor Judge Hug, I am NOT filing a COMPLAINT OF JUDICIAL MISCONDUCT. I am filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS in accordance with procedures set forth in law. Our forefathers designed the criminal law system with the possibility in mind that a cabal of lawyers might band together in an attempt to prevent prosecution of one or more friends. Therefore, if local federal officials will not do their duty and prosecute for criminal activity IN WRITING , then a citizen has the right to seek and select a magistrate from another district. Most individuals would interpret the letter U.S. Department of Justice United States Attorney District of New Mexico Post Office Box 607 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87103 505/766 3341 505/766 2868 FAX 505/766-8517 May 19, 1997 Mr. William A. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandia, NE Albuquerque, New Mexico 87111 Dear Mr. Payne: My name is Robert J. Gorence. I am the First Assistant U.S. Attorney and the Chief of the Criminal Division for the United States Attorney's Office for the District of New Mexico. I am in receipt of your February 13, 1997 letter to Judge Frank John McGill as well as your September 20, 1996 Request for Examination of Report Filed by a Judicial Officer. In your letter to Judge McGill, you assert on page 2, paragraph 4 that you have filed a "criminal complaint affidavit" with Judge Bunton. On page 4 you accuse Judge Paul Kelly of a felony. On page 8 you assert that you are waiting receipt of an arrest warrant for Judge Kelly. I do not understand the basis of your assertions. However, I will tell you that any attempt by you to privately execute any type of "arrest warrant," against any member of the federal judiciary would constitute a violation of 18 U.S.C. � 1201 - Kidnaping, a felony which carries a potential of life imprisonment. Also, attempts on your part to file private "criminal complaint affidavits" or "arrest warrants" regarding members of the federal judiciary would constitute a violation of 18 U.S.C. � 111 - Impeding a Federal Officer in the Performance of Their Official Duties. I trust you will take my warnings seriously and that you will cease this obstreperous conduct. If you do not, federal criminal charges will be filed against you. Sincerely, [Signature] ROBERT J. GORENCE First Assistant U.S. Attorney RJG/maf http://www.jya.com/whprjg.htm as an indication that justice would not be forthcoming from the New Mexico District Attorney's Office. Therefore, I sought external relief. First with Judge Fern Smith, District of Northern California on March 11, 1996. Smith along with Albuquerque FBI agent-in-charge Thomas Knier sent FBI agents to our home to attempt to threaten me. Next I sought relief from J. Clifford Wallace, chief judge, Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on July 9, 1996. Wallace received a criminal complaint affidavit on Knier on July 15, 1996 for sending FBI agents in an attempt to threaten me. Ms. Corina Orozco, Deputy Clerk., Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals wrote me August 15, 1996 This court is in receipt of you letters dated July 15, 1996. If you wish to file an appeal in this court and seek judicial relief you must first file an action in the U.S. District Court. NO, judge Hug, I was filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS. Gwen Baptiste from the Office of the Clerk, United States Court of Appeals for The Ninth Circuit, wrote on July 25, 1996 Re: Complaint of Judicial Misconduct We have received your complaint of judicial misconduct. Pursuant to the Rules of the Judicial Council of the Ninth Circuit Governing Complaints of Judicial Misconduct or Disability, you complaint is being returned to you for compliance with the above rules. A copy of these rules is enclosed. To understand the purpose of the procedure and who may be complaint about please refer to Rules 1 and 2. AGAIN, judge Hug, I am filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS not COMPLAINTS OF JUDICIAL MISCONDUCT. Judge Hug, I hope it is FINALLY CLEAR that I am filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS as I am entitled to do by law. Judge Hug, THE DOCUMENTS YOU SHOULD HAVE IN YOUR POSSESSION and you can view on Internet at http://www.jya.com/snlhit.htm show 1 Criminal violations of the Privacy Act http://www.jya.com/hr105-37.txt ATTACHED 11 pages beginning with Sandia National Laboratories director Michael Robles writing EEOC Director Charles Burtner. A I never saw the documents until Sandia employee Richard Gallegos gave me a copy in 1997. B Sandia denied that the documents existed. C The documents contain factually incorrect information. I did NOTHING WRONG. I followed all Sandia procedures known to me and obtained all required Sandia approvals. D I was never given an opportunity to defend myself. http://jya.com/greene.htm E Neither Sandia nor EEOC had my permission in writing for release of the information. 2 A ATTACHED PERJURED SWORN affidavit by Sandia attorney Gregory Cone submitted of the court of New Mexico judge John Conway. AFFIDAVIT OF GREGORY A. CONE Gregory A. Cone, being duly sworn, deposes and states: 1. I am employed by Sandia Corporation. I am an attorney admitted to practice law in the State of California and before the U. S. Patent and Trademark Office and concentrate on legal issues related to patent and copyright law. In that capacity, I am familiar with activities at the Sandia National Laboratories ("Sandia") as they related to what is sometimes referred to as "reverse engineering." ... It is the general view at Sandia that disassembly of "object code" under such circumstances constitutes a "fair use" of copyrighted software under 17 U.S.C. article 107 and is thus permissible. Sandia bases its view on Sega Enterprises v. Accolade, Inc. 977 F.2d 1510, 24 U.S.P. Q. 2d 1561 (9th Cir. 1992), amended, 1993 U. S. App. LEXIS 78, and Atari Games Corp v. Nintendo of America, Inc, 975 F.2d 832 (Fed. Cir. 1992) ... FURTHER, Affidavit sayeth naught. (signed) GREGORY A. CONE. SUBSCRIBED, SWORN TO and ACKNOWLEDGED before me on this 12th day of August, 1993, by Gregory A. Cone." (signed) Mary A. Resnick Notary Public My Commission Expires: 2-7-94 Lawyer Cone has citations reversed. The U. S. Patent Quarterly references the Atari v Nintendo lawsuit. 1510 should be corrected to 1015. Judge Fern Smith ruled in both cases: The first two cases to directly address the issue of intermediate copying both originated in California's Northern District Court. They are Atari v. Nintendo and Sega v. Accolade. In both cases, the district court found that intermediate copying was NOT fair use. ... In a strong opinion she [Fern Smith] wrote in March 1991, when granting Nintendo's request for a preliminary injunction against Atari, she lambasted Atari's lawyers for thievery. ... However, both cases have been overruled on appeal. In the ground-breaking Atari decision, the Federal Circuit held that intermediate copying was a fair use. The Sega decision, which was appealed to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, similarly overruled the district court and held that intermediate copying may be fair use. The New Use of Fair Use: Accessing Copyrighted Programs Through Reverse Engineering, Stephen B. Maebius, Journal of the Patent and Trademark Office Society, June 1993, 75, n6, p433 Cone's affidavit attempts to create the appearance that reverse engineering I REFUSED to do for the FBI was legal before July 27, 1992, the date of my firing. Decision of the appeal was apparently Decided SEPTEMBER 10, 1992. Page 1016 from 24 USPQ 2d, Atari Games Corp. v. Nintendo of America. I was fired JULY 27, 1992! Lawyer Cone has under oath knowingly made a false material declaration before a court. Judge Hug, we just can't get the arrest warrant issued for Cone YET. Or for those who violated the criminal sections of the Privacy Act Judges and clerks who are apparently are reluctant to properly proceed against other federal or federal contract employee are themselves committing crimes. Judge Hug, there is ONE SET OF LAWS in the United States of America. Not a set of laws which applies to ordinary citizens and another which apply to judges, clerks, federal and federal contract employees. Rule 3 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, entitled the Complaint provides: The complaint is a written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged. It shall be made upon oath before a magistrate. As you may be aware, An individual may "make a written complaint on oath before an examining and committing magistrate, and obtain a warrant of arrest." This is in conformity with the Federal Constitution, and "consonant with the principles of natural justice and personal liberty found in the common law." [United States v Kilpatrick (1883, DC NC) 16G 765, 769] You may also be aware, A complaint though quite general in terms is valid if it sufficiently apprises the defendant of the nature of the offense with which he is charged. [United States v Wood (1927, DC Tex) 26F2d 908, 910, affd (CA5 Tex) 26 F2d 912. And for your edification, The commission of a crime must be shown by facts positively stated. The oath or affirmation required is of facts and not opinions or conclusion. [United States ex rel. King v Gokey (1929, DC NY) 32 F2d 793, 794] The complaint must be accompanied by an oath. [Re Rules of Court (1877, CC Ga) 3 Woods 502, F Cas No 12126] A complaint must be sworn to before a commissioner or other officer empowered to commit persons charged with offenses against the United States. [United States v Bierley ( 1971, WD Pa) 331 F Supp 1182] Such office is now called a magistrate. A complaint is ordinarily made by an investigating officer or agent, and where private citizens seek warrants of arrest, the practice recommended by the Judicial Conference of the United States is to refer the complaint to the United States Attorney. However, further reference to him is rendered futile where a mandamus proceeding is brought to compel him to prosecute and he opposes the proceeding. [Pugach v Klein (1961, SD NY) 193 F Supp 630, citing Manual for United States Commissioners 5 (1948)] Any attempt to bring criminal complaints to government authorities would, of course, be as evidenced by Gorrence's letter http://www.jya.com/whprjg.htm . I am a citizen of the United States and you are the assigned magistrate. In order to satisfy the requirement of the Constitution and Rules 3 and 4, a written and sworn complaint should set forth the essential facts constituting the offense charged and also facts showing that the offense was committed and that the defendant committed it. And, As to the requirement that the complaint be made on personal knowledge of the complainant, it is enough for the issuance of a warrant that a complainant shows it to be on the knowledge of the complainant. [Giordenello v United States (1958) 357 US 480, 2 L Ed. 2d 1503, 78 S Ct 1245, rev. (Ca5 Tx) 241 F2d 575, 579 in accord Rice v Ames (1901) 180 US 371, 45 L Ed 577, 21 S ct 406, and United States v Walker, (1952, CA2 NY) 197 F 2d 287, 289, cert den 344 US 877, 97 L Ed 679, 73 S Ct 172] So as to keep contiguous the requirements of the law and the criminal complaint affidavits, I will include this complaint in this letter to you. CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVIT: Gwen Baptiste Essential material facts are: 1 July 25, 1996 Gwen Baptiste improperly returns criminal complaint affidavits properly forwarded to Ninth Circuit judge J Clifford Wallace. 2 May 5, 1998 Bapitist repeats return of criminal complaint affidavits properly sent to judge Proctor Hug Jr. COUNT 1 3 Ninth circuit Senior Case Expeditor Gwen Baptiste is charged with REPEATED INTENTIONAL MACLIOUS Obstruction of Justice, 18 USC 1512, (b) and (c). Title 18 Obstruction of Justice, Article 1512, as amended, states Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant (b) Whoever knowingly uses intimidation ... threatens, ... or engages in misleading conduct toward another person with intent to - (3) hinder, delay or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense ... (c) Whoever intentionally harasses another person and thereby hinders, delays, prevents, or dissuades any person from - (1) reporting to a law enforcement or judge of the United States the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense ... or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned ... for Baptiste's TWO attempts to convince citizen Payne to file a judicial misconduct complaint when Payne was filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS. VERIFICATION Under penalty of perjury as provided by law, the undersigned certifies pursuant to 28 USC section 1746 that material factual statements set forth in this criminal complaint are true and correct, except as to any matters therein stated to be information and belief of such matters the undersigned certifies as aforesaid that the undersigned verily believes the same to be true. Date William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 505-292-7037 Judge Hug, many citizens are becoming disgusted with government misconduct. Something must be done to correct this. One example is of government misconduct is how the Department of Justice handled the case of a citizen ACCUSED of a federal firearm violation. http://www.monumental.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/ Displeasure with the way the government handled to bring the ACCUSED to justice led to an unfortunate display of dissatisfaction. ARTICLES RELATED TO OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Tenth circuit court clerks and judges violated their own rules denying court wins to citizen Morales and myself. Senator Orrin Hatch improperly processed a judicial misconduct complaint against New Mexico judge John Conway. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm These two acts mostly caused Morales and me AND OTHERS to reveal additional unfortunate decisions by factions within the US government in the hope PROMPT SETTLEMENT will bring relief. http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm http://caq.com/cryptogate http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm We seeks changes within the law so as to avoid future citizen frustration of our government and legal system not working properly. And possible unacceptable, but understandable, future expressions of frustrations of government employees not obeying the law. WRITTEN EVIDENCE both in document copies and on Internet is so BLATANT that crimes have been committed. I ask that you do you job and issue the warrants of arrest. Or write me and tell me why you cannot. I ask that you respond within 30 days. No response is an invalid response. As accused felon former chief judge J Clifford Wallace may now know. Sincerely, William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Distribution Antoin Scalia http://www.jya.com/whpscalia.htm Certified Return receipt requested http://www.senate.gov/committee/judiciary.html From mbalcom at awai.com Fri Aug 7 19:57:14 1998 From: mbalcom at awai.com (Meredith Balcom) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 19:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FUCKIN MONKEY BUMKIN FRICASEE Message-ID: <01BDC256.51FDB780.mbalcom@awai.com> From nobody at replay.com Fri Aug 7 21:01:11 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Tim caught rehashing from Archives Message-ID: <199808080401.GAA08821@replay.com> Tim's thoughts on the archives are all the more ironic for being rehashed from "the good old days (TM)". --- forwarded article ------------------------------------------------------- >From owner-cypherpunks Thu Jan 6 16:04:33 1994 Received: by toad.com id AA03391; Thu, 6 Jan 94 16:00:13 PST Received: by toad.com id AA03329; Thu, 6 Jan 94 15:55:35 PST Return-Path: Received: from crl.crl.com ([165.113.1.12]) by toad.com id AA03317; Thu, 6 Jan 94 15:55:27 PST Received: by crl.crl.com id AA29063 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for cypherpunks at toad.com); Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:54:06 -0800 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 15:44:00 -0800 (PST) From: Arthur Chandler Subject: Re: cypherpolitics To: "Perry E. Metzger" Cc: cypherpunks at toad.com In-Reply-To: <199401062001.PAA20538 at snark> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Jan 1994, Perry E. Metzger wrote: > > Any sufficiently advanced mailing list is indistinguishable from > noise. > > Perry > I realize we're all supposed to smile knowingly at this cynical remark; but I can't let the cynicism pass without a commentary. If the list is advanced, then the issues being discussed may strike newbies as arcane -- this is noise only to the uninitiated. And repeated threads may strike old-timers as rehash -- and therefore a kind of noise. But -- at least as far as Cypherpunks goes -- even apparently repetitive threads have new slants, unforeseen shadings of personal meaning, and new contexts to save them from being considered as just noise. "The main cause of failure in education," said A.N. Whitehead, "is staleness." 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You Will Have That Product With OFS's Offshore Special Report Number 5599!! ______________________________________________________________________ OFS's Offshore Special Report Number 5599 will change peoples lives throughout the world by showing them how they can make and save money by removing themselves from the strict rules, regulations and tax burdens their government has imposed on them in the last few years. BRACE YOURSELF - most people are taken aback by what I am about to tell you regarding OFS's Offshore Special Report Number 5599. In OFS's Offshore Special Report Number 5599 You will find out that... UNFAIR & DISCRIMINATORY Divorce settlements are made obsolete in this report! RUTHLESS Creditors will CRINGE if they know you have read this report! BLOOD SUCKING Lawyers May Go Broke By You Reading This Report! HEARTLESS Tax agencies see RED when they read this report! SNEAKY Politicians use the information in this report everyday! Your GREEDY banker does not want you to read this report! This report is BLACKBALLED by Most Government Agencies! BACK STABBING relatives HATE this report! You will also learn & Or Have Access To... Ways POLITICIANS & THE RICH get even richer using TRUSTS and HOW you can do the same! Incorporate offshore - Completely private and away from your government's regulations! Your own secret offshore mailing address - no one will know your real address. Offshore private checking account - deposit money and pay your bills from offshore - no paper trails. Save up to 50% on printing & mail & have your sales material mailed from Jamaica - Are you in the mail order business? Here's a money saving opportunity no one else can offer! Offshore investors - Do you have a viable funding project? Offshore tax havens - legally delay or eliminate taxes - no one knows - not even your government! Offshore IBC's & Trusts - Asset protection from creditors and your government! 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This Information Is Not Accessible Just Anywhere! Information Like This Can Not Be Found At Your Local Library. It Is Well Worth $50.00 - In Fact Its Well Worth Thousands Of Dollars By Showing People How They Can Save A Hundred Times That Amount In Taxes Alone! The Best Deal Of All Is That You Will Have FULL REPRINTS RIGHTS And The Permission To Sell OFS's Offshore special Report Number 5599. YOU Keep ALL The Money! ______________________________________________________________________ Information is the perfect product. It's easy to reproduce, easy to ship and easy to sell especially when it's as powerful as Report #5599. The market is unlimited in that you can sell Report #5599 to anyone, anyplace in the world. The potential is unlimited because there are billions of people throughout the world who need Report #5599 and are being introduced to Report #5599 this minute. Everyone...I mean everyone needs Report #5599.... People who have a J.O.B. and have "More Month Than Money" - You know "Just over broke" !! People who are self-employed - paying that "Self Employment Tax" and are prime candidates for Law suits from every direction! People who are sick and tired of frivolous law suits - Did you know that in the U.S. there are 2.67 lawyers for every 1,000 people? Most lawyers are HUNGRY and need to sue someone for any reason to survive! Professional people such as doctors, engineers, technicians, architects, stock- brokers, accountants,and YES even lawyers! - You know those people in the HIGHER THAN AVERAGE tax brakets! People who are getting married or are married and plan on living happily ever after - Now back to reality - the U.S. has a divorce rate that exceeds 60% every year! Partners who want to make sure their partnership is a true 50-50 deal now and in the future! People who live in a country that has strict rules and regulations limiting where and how they can run their business and manage their money! People who are retired and at the MERCY of their governments' rules concerning Social Security Income and Medical Benefits! People who WANT to retire but cannot afford to because of lack of income or the rules forced upon them by their government restricting them from receiving a decent income! People who are HIGH audit risks or have been audited by their governments' Dictatorial Tax Agency - You know "Guilty Until Proven Innocent"! People who are paying their government 40% to 60% in taxes and are sick and tired of doing so! People who are close to Bankruptcy and need to find a solution as soon as possible - 20% to 40% of the people in the United States are a paycheck away from Bankruptcy - Yes those people! People who want to make sure their children receive 100% of their inheritance without the government stealing it away! People who need credit and have been turned down through traditional sources, such as their local FRIENDLY bank! People who want to keep their business and personal affairs PRIVATE-Hard to do this day and age with all the computers! People who have the dream of financial independence and want to make thousands a day running their own Home Based Business! You must agree with me there is a tremendous market throughout the world; of people who are breathing and paying taxes which are prime candidates for Report #5599! ____________________________________________________________________ Since We Have Determined The Entire World Is A Prime Candidate For Report #5599 Let Me Show You How Easy It Is To Sell Report# 5599 working From Your Kitchen Table! ______________________________________________________________________ HOLD ON!! How Rude Of Me! I Have Been Talking To You From The beginning of this email, without Officially Introducing Myself! So let me officially introduce myself - I'm one of several OFS Independent Associates making FIVE DIGITS every month! I'll be your sponsor - I'm the person who you will pay the $50.00 to and receive Report# 5599! I'm the person who will change your life forever! I'm the person who wants to see you succeed because if you succeed - I succeed! I want to make sure YOU succeed and see YOU sell hundreds, even thousands of reports every week. The more you sell the more money I can make! Its' TRUE that you keep ALL of the $50.00 when you sell a report. You pay me NOTHING other than the initial $50.00 for the report - Not one single dollar - you keep it all. Sell only 10 reports a week and make $500 - You keep it all! Sell 100 Reports a week and you make $5,000 - You keep it all! Sell 500 Reports a week and make $25,000 - YOU KEEP IT ALL!!! Before I tell you how and why I make money every time you sell a report, let me show you how easy it is to advertise and sell "The Hottest Selling Report In the World" - OFS's Offshore Special Report Number 5599!. This report has been designed to be self-contained with all the marketing concepts on how to sell the report RIGHT INSIDE. In your copy of Report# 5599 you will have access to the following marketing strategies and tools... Sample of proven classified ads you can place in local or national publications that will make you FILTHY RICH! A POWERFUL photo ready copy of a postcard you can put YOUR name & address on and have the $50.00 sent directly to you - AUTOMATICALLY. I will show you how you can Print and Mail that Postcard - FIRST CLASS - for as little as Twelve Cents (U.S) Each! Once you send in your Certificate of Registration from Report#5599 you will also receive... Additional DYNAMITE Classified and Display Ads that will generate hundreds, even thousands, of responses guaranteed to fill your mail box with $50.00 orders! Places to advertise for as little as seven cents (U.S.) Per word reaching over 73,000,000 People! A co-op advertising program sharing the leads and sales generated from National Television Infomercials! A Photo Ready Copy of This ORDER PULLING Sales Letter for YOUR use to mail to the respondents of your ads! Duplicatable Copy of an Audio Cassette Tape of this ORDER PULLING Sales Letter! ______________________________________________________________________ Become An Offshore Broker And Make More Money Than Most Dream Of Helping Others Find And Save Money! OFS's Offshore Special Report Number 5599 has a variety of money making opportunities and the "Offshore Broker" is just one of them! ______________________________________________________________________ I'M NOT GREEDY - I JUST LOVE WHAT MONEY DOES FOR ME & MY FAMILY! As the person who introduced YOU to Report# 5599 I have the opportunity to make over-rides on every Report# 5599 you sell. You see, I'm not happy JUST making $50.00 on the report I sold you. I would like to retire in the near future, sit back and receive hundreds, even thousands, of dollars a week for my past efforts of selling Report# 5599. In Report# 5599 there are additional money-making opportunities by having people establishing what are called International Business Corporations, Asset Protection Trusts(among other Offshore Business Support Services) and I can receive commissions and over-rides having people buying these services whether I personally sell them myself or you sell them through the initial sale of Report# 5599. That's why I'm interested in YOUR success. I want you to become a MILLIONAIRE by selling thousands of reports. Here are a few of the additional money making opportunities contained in Report# 5599 from which I can make over-rides by becoming an "Offshore Broker"... => First, I make $50.00 on Report# 5599(I initally sold to you) in addition... => I can make up to $100 helping people set up an offshore checking account! => I can make up to $240 for every international business corporation established! => I can make up to $1,000 for every trust set up - Domestic or offshore! => I can make up to $50 for every self-liquidating loan manual sold! => I can make up to $100 for every offshore print & mail order! => I can make up to $100 for every offshore visa card established! => I can make up to $100 for everyone who receives a $15,000 Unsecured Line of credit through a Major Bank Credit Card! => If I feel really energetic I can set up and run a TRUST AGENCY in my area and have people sell TRUSTS for me (somewhat like an Insurance Agency)! The money-making potential is tremendous by hiring several people who work in my area. I'm your sponsor and because of my efforts in selling YOU Report# 5599, I have the opportunity to make Lifetime Residuals from your efforts in selling Report# 5599 to others! I'm truly amazed at the marketing concept offered through OFS's Offshore Special Report Number 5599. The concept is so simple and it is COMPLETELY DUPLICATABLE! By making sure YOU MAKE thousands of dollars a week I'm going to get FILTHY STINKING RICH off your success! If it seems like I am BRAGGING and RUBBING it in about how I'm going to make bundles of money from your efforts it's TRUE!! You should be as EXCITED as I am because Report# 5599 allows YOU to DUPLICATE MY EFFORTS! When you sell a report to others you will then be in my position - to make ALL the over-rides and commissions I have just talked about - on those who then sell Report# 5599! ______________________________________________________________________ The Following Questions & Answers are designed to answer most of the concerns you may have. This should give you enough information to determine if OFS's Offshore Special Report# 5599 is your tool for making thousands of dollars a week in a home based business... ______________________________________________________________________ Q. Do I have to personally sell the report & the other offshore business support services to people who respond to my ads? A. NO! This is really a two fold question. Let's talk about the selling of Report# 5599 first. All you have to do is place an ad, mail the postcards or send bulk email. If you place an ad send the respondent THIS SALES LETTER and let THIS SALES LETTER do the rest for you - no need to talk to anyone!! If you mail the postcards or use bulk emailing your job is done! The postcard will ask the respondent to send $50.00 to your mailing address. Email will work for you if you send it to as many people as you can. If you decide to become an Offshore Broker and qualify to receive over-rides and commission on the Offshore Business Support Services the PARENT COMPANY will do the selling for you if you wish. This is a "NO BRAINER" and can be as simple or as complicated as you want to make it... Talk to the people if you wish or don't - Report# 5599 sells itself! Q. How many hours a week will I have to devote to my business? A. One to sixty hours a week! Here's a question I will answer with a question...How much money do you want to make? Common sense says the more ads you run and the more mailings you do the more money you will make! The statistics show that for every 100 responses you receive from your ads, and you mail THIS SALES LETTER, you will sell five to ten reports making you $250.00 to $500.00 (US). Your ad responses will vary depending on the place you advertise and the circulation of the publication. The more ads you run or the more emails you send out the more time you will need to devote to your Home Based Business. Q. Just how much money will I need to start my home based business? A. $50.00! Yeah I know - You're thinking you will need money for ads and mailing. Well - I've had people start with $50.00 (U.S) and make ten copies of the report and sold them to their associates and friends giving them $500.00(US). That gave them enough money to start running ads and to buy stamps. In looking at all the money making opportunities offered in the world today I really don't think you can get started for any less than $50.00 and have a BETTER LEGITIMATE money-making opportunity than the one offered in Report# 5599! Q. If I have additional questions who will answer them for me? A. I will or the parent company will! No package of information, no matter how complete, can possibly answer every question that may come up. I do not want you to lose money seeking out the answers. I want you to succeed! You will receive a phone number in Report# 5599 where you can either reach me or someone from the parent company for any question or help you need! ______________________________________________________________________ Here's a valuable bonus for ordering within 5 days....Your's absolutely FREE!! ______________________________________________________________________ I have persuaded the parent company - Offshore Financial Services, Ltd. - to give you their OFS Offshore Business Journal - Volume I - FREE OF CHARGE - as a bonus for ordering Report# 5599 within 5 days of receiving this email. You will receive the Journal when you send in your "Certificate of Registration" found in the report. The information in this Journal is priceless and can NOT be found anywhere but RIGHT HERE!! Here's a sample of that information: Bonus #1 OFS's Offshore Business Journal >Your IRS returns are suppose to be private - Not so! > Funds through on-line computer services! > Raising capital without borrowing from the bank! > How to get medicines before they're approved by the FDA! > Airlines will handle your baggage with special care if you know the secret! > You can borrow money from your IRA. Just don't call it a loan > How to get free subscriptions to over 60 magazines! > Establish AAA credit in 30 days! > Why Americans are mad as hell! > Sources for quick cash loans. Bonus #2 Report #5599 Support Package. > How to reach over 73,000,000 people for as little as 7 cents per word! > How to set up voice mail and never talk to anyone who responds to your ads. > To use or not to use a mailing list? > How to receive free names to mail to. > How to mail your postcards & sales flyers "First Class" for a low as 12 cents each- includes printing! > How to collect $5 from people who want to receive this sales letter! Bonus #3 Bulk-Emailer's Dream Package. By ordering within the next 5 days, you will also receive a floppy disk packed full of online marketing tips from two of the nation's top electronic marketers. I have previously offered this disk for $79.95, but by purchasing Report #5599 through this special offer within the next 5 days, it will be yours for FREE!! I will also include another floppy disk with over 150 Hot Money Making reports that you can sell together or individually! Bulk-email has been proven to be the most effective way to market on the internet. By ordering within the next 5 days; I will include a program that collects names from aol chat rooms at a maximum rate of over 10,000 per Hour!! You will receive high response rates marketing to these fresh names that you have collected yourself. Now all you will need is a bulk-email program, you will receive a link where you can download a free fully working demonstration bulk- email program that will allow you to begin earning profits the day you receive my package. You will not need to be concerned with losing your ISP because I will show you exactly how to send hundreds of thousands of emails per day while cloaking your ISP's mail server and your identity at the same time!! STOP THE PRESSES!!, I'm not finished giving away Free Extras yet! I have just learned of a Brand New ISP that is offering FREE ACCESS!!! That's right TOTALLY FREE unlimited internet access!! If your Order is received via Fax within the next 24HRS I will tell you how to sign up for this free service which is a $240/yr value ORDER NOW!! With all that I will be providing you, your success is guaranteed. You will not receive this offer again; by ordering Report #5599 within the next 5 days all of the above information will be yours for a measly US$50.00. ORDER TODAY!! Why am I giving away so much for so little? Good question... It is my personal belief that any responsible hardworking person can achieve financial security given the proper opportunity and information.. The Rich have kept opportunities and information to themselves that would allow anyone of us to achieve unparalleled success easily. That is why I am giving away a solid product, plus all the information needed to successfully sell that product, for only US$50.00 to anyone with enough interest and patience to read this letter. Sincerely, YOUR SPONSOR OFS Independent Associate RISK FREE GUARANTEE If you are not completely satisfied after reading Report #5599 and its Support Package simply return them both within 120 Days for a full refund. No questions asked. You keep the floppy disks, Business Journal and Dream Package. You have NOTHING to risk and a FORTUNE to make. Here's your RISK FREE opportunity to change your financial situation forever!! {cut}========================================================== Special Report #5599 Order Form ___ Please rush me a copy of OFS's Offshore Special Report# 5599 and all Bonuses. 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From nobody at sind.hyperreal.art.pl Sat Aug 8 21:11:32 1998 From: nobody at sind.hyperreal.art.pl (HyperReal-Anon) Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 21:11:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mysterious taglines Message-ID: On Tue, 4 Aug 1998, Rabid Wombat wrote: > I cannot discuss that here, as Tim May will likely enter the discussion > to enforce his intellectual property rights and remind us that he > discussed this before the rest of us were born. All worthwhile > discussions of cryptography were held prior to 1994. This list is to be > henceforth used for the posting of long rambling prose induced by the > inhaling of household chemicals. Contact sniffmonger toto, check the > archives, and bring me another scotch. Or if trolls are more your style, contact trollmonger bill(sic) payne(sic) and carbon copy half of Congress. From stuffed at stuffed.net Sun Aug 9 02:48:11 1998 From: stuffed at stuffed.net (STUFFED/EUREKA!) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 02:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What if men menstruated?/Viagra - the facts Message-ID: <19980809080000.26159.qmail@eureka.abc-web.com> Welcome to today's issue of Stuffed. To read it you should click on the URL below. If it is not made clickable by your email program you will need to use your mouse to highlight the line, copy it and then paste it into your browser (then press Return). http://stuffed.net/98/8/9/ If you have an email program that can display web pages you will find today's front cover should have already been disp- layed and can be clicked on to take you straight to Stuffed. This email is never sent unsolicited. Stuffed is the supplement for the Eureka newsletter you subscribed to. Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka! From fygrave at freenet.bishkek.su Sun Aug 9 03:29:30 1998 From: fygrave at freenet.bishkek.su (CyberPsychotic) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 03:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: text analysis In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980806202007.0090e140@popd.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: yeah. So far I played with it, I found out that allocating arrays in memory as N-dimentional matrix seem to be the best solution. The rest of things seem to be pathetically slow. I generally do all my coding under Linux so there's no problem with memory limits. Thanks again for all help. F. --- Fyodor Yarochkin tel:[996-3312] 474465 email:fygrave at usa.net http://www.kalug.lug.net/ X-Noizz http://infernus.online.kg echo 'subscribe kalug' | mail majordomo at krsu.edu.kg : join Kyrgyztani L.U.G. - "Only Schizophrenia beats being alone." - http://www.kalug.lug.net/fygrave From maree19 at kola.dcu.ie Sun Aug 9 05:11:04 1998 From: maree19 at kola.dcu.ie (grynomu) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 05:11:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: direct-email-secrets & stumbling blocks Message-ID: <199808092170RAA37702@gasuvo.crol.jkans.kais.kyoto-u.ac.jp> REACH NEW PROSPECTS - WITHOUT THE TECHNICAL HASSLE ! DO YOU KNOW HOW MOST DIRECT EMAILERS STUMBLE? Direct email uses similar principles involved in the familiar model of direct postal mail. If done correctly, one's success is sure to come. If not performed correctly, then it becomes a case of luck. THE 4 BASIC PRINCIPLE OF DIRECT EMAIL: These basic steps are what the professional, consistent and successful direct emailers use. They are the foundation and root of the direct email model. These include the following: 1. Consistently accessing new and fresh lists 2. Consistently updating lists 3. Consistently sending your ad at reasonable intervals (repetition is the key = look at TV commercials) 4. Optimizing your ad and subject to a more "order pulling" ad DO YOU KNOW AIDA? AIDA is an acronym of the model used in creating powerful and effective sales letters, which is widely used in advertising today. Grab one of several direct mail and direct email letters and read them. The effective letters follow AIDA. What's AIDA stand for? A = grab the prospect's "ATTENTION" I = create "INTEREST" by providing some information D = create stimulaton the produces "DESIRE" A = demand immediate "ACTION" Do you need current and supplemental prospect email lists ? Do you need fresh lists every day, every week or every month ? Do you need more new prospects - never reached before ? If you answered yes, our List Update Service will provide you NEW and FRESH email contacts. NEVER RUN OUT OF EMAIL PROSPECTS ! ! __________________________________________ MORE INFO (24 hrs): 626-839-3835 (US) __________________________________________ From phusnikn at simlab.net Sun Aug 9 07:39:21 1998 From: phusnikn at simlab.net (phusnikn) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 07:39:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is there a freeware knockoff of SSH for win95 In-Reply-To: <002901bdc236$1c6956d0$86a9aac2@strange> Message-ID: <35CDB52E.C81B5637@simlab.net> How do i get off this mailing list? cybertoads/cyberpunks of what ever it is.?? From jcb at mylaptop.com Sun Aug 9 09:10:23 1998 From: jcb at mylaptop.com (jcb at mylaptop.com) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 09:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sorry for the delay Message-ID: <199808091609.BAA00017@ns2.daio-paper.co.jp> Hi, This is the information you requested http://internetmarketing.com.tj/ John From nobody at replay.com Sun Aug 9 11:46:40 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 11:46:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is there a freeware knockoff Message-ID: <199808091846.UAA22055@replay.com> On Sunday, 09 Aug 1998 at 14:41:50 +0000, phusnikn revealed the depths of his ignorance by writing: > To: clerke at emirates.net.ae > Copies to: cypherpunks at toad.com > Subject: Re: Is there a freeware knockoff of SSH for win95 > > How do i get off this mailing list? cybertoads/cyberpunks > of what ever it is.?? Oh, man! That's what I want to know! How do _you_ get off this mailing list? The question of the day, isn't it? Anyone who uses "cyber" in near proximity to "punks" is automatically disqualified from being on this list. So how did you slip in here? You're here, but unfortunately getting off/out is not so easy. I could suggest that you withdraw all your savings and buy a clue, but that would obviously be futile in your case. You should probably contemplate your navel and how you got _onto_ the list, for oh, say, three hours. If enlightenment doesn't come, you might try eating a handful of castor beans. I've heard that aids digestion. Not yours, of course, but it will no doubt ease the pains of the rest of the list members. If you're still troubled by list membership after that, you might try the old tried and true solution for undesired list problems: shoot yourself in the head. If that doesn't work, try a larger caliber. If that doesn't work, try loading the gun first. 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The "true/original" Anarchist Cookbook is generally not available on-line, although there are plenty of knock offs. BTW- the Anarchist Cookbook is full of errors and outright bullshit, and if you try to make explosives by following its instructions you will probably end up known as "lefty." For example, the book explains how to make the drug "bananadine", although there is no such drug; the "banandine" rumor was started as a joke at Berkely back in the late '60's, and it appears that Powell must have taken it seriously. Consider the chemistry to be equally suspect. Ordnancemarsupial On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 XoVoX123 at aol.com wrote: > Could you please send me the Anarchy Cookbook..... > I really want it and I cant find it anywhere! > Thanx for your help.. 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Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka! From billp at nmol.com Mon Aug 10 07:04:08 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 07:04:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: George Santyana & Great Satan Message-ID: <35CEFCB6.2FEA@nmol.com> Monday 8/10/98 6:58 AM J Orlin Grabbe http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ John Young http://www.jya.com/crypto.htm We must be cautious when doing battle with the Great Fascist Satan. The Great Satan is capable of doing some REALLY TERRIBLE things. For example, It�s estimated 100,000 people died at Hiroshima on August 6, 1945. Seventy- five hours later, another 74,000 were killed a Nagasaki. But these figures only include those who perished in the initial blasts. Many more people died soon afterward from radiation sickness, and other would die years later from leukemia, pernicious anemia, and other radiation-related diseases. Current estimates calculate the total number deaths so far from the two blasts at more than 340,000 people. page 68 Five days after Nagasaki was bombed, Japan submitted to the unconditional surrender that America was insisting on. 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Cheap PCs, Internet, international electronic and software knowledge, foreign undergraduate and graduate school training in the US, 12 years of compulsory English in many foreign schools, ... I am not very happy about NSA/Sandia TRYING to get me involved in their FBI and NSA SECRET/NSI work. I want my money and out of their messes. I am going to push the Privacy Act criminal violation HARD. Let�s hope for settlement before things get WORSE. Later bill Friday 8/7/98 7:30 AM Certified Return receipt requested Proctor Hug Jr Chief Judge, Ninth Circuit 50 West Liberty Street Reno, NV 89501-1948 (702) 784-5631 784-5166 fax Dear judge Hug: Purposes of this letter- criminal complaint affidavit are to 1 file a criminal complaint affidavits against Ninth circuit Senior Case Expeditor Gwen Baptiste for Obstruction of Justice, 2 ask why not have not yet done your job. On 4/1/98 I forwarded to you criminal complaint affidavits for proper processing. In a hand-addressed envelope stamped CONFIDENTIAL with return address CLERK, U.S. COURT OF APPEALS P.O. BOX 547 SAN FRANCISCO, CA 94101-0547 OFFICIAL BUSINESS PENALTY FOR PRIVATE USE, 300 postmarked SAN FRANCISCO, CALIF APR 24 98 U.S. POSTAGE $2.62 METER 504753 some returned the complaints to me. On May 5, 1998 I received the ATTACHED letter which states Re: Complaint of Judicial Misconduct We have received your complaint of judicial misconduct or disability. It is being returned to you for failure to comply with the Rules of the Judicial Counsel of the Ninth Circuit Governing Complaints of Judicial Misconduct or Disability (Rules). See Rule 3(d). ... xx_A copy of these Rules is enclosed. To understand the purpose of the procedure and who may be complained about, please refer to Rules 1 and 2. ... xx Statement of facts exceed five pages See Rule 2(b). ... xx Other. Please complete the complaint form and return sufficient copies. See attached Rules for guidance. Your complaint can only be against Article Three Judges. Very truly yours, signature Gwen Baptiste Senior Case Expeditor Judge Hug, I am NOT filing a COMPLAINT OF JUDICIAL MISCONDUCT. I am filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS in accordance with procedures set forth in law. Our forefathers designed the criminal law system with the possibility in mind that a cabal of lawyers might band together in an attempt to prevent prosecution of one or more friends. Therefore, if local federal officials will not do their duty and prosecute for criminal activity IN WRITING , then a citizen has the right to seek and select a magistrate from another district. Most individuals would interpret the letter U.S. Department of Justice United States Attorney District of New Mexico Post Office Box 607 Albuquerque, New Mexico 87103 505/766 3341 505/766 2868 FAX 505/766-8517 May 19, 1997 Mr. William A. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandia, NE Albuquerque, New Mexico 87111 Dear Mr. Payne: My name is Robert J. Gorence. I am the First Assistant U.S. Attorney and the Chief of the Criminal Division for the United States Attorney's Office for the District of New Mexico. I am in receipt of your February 13, 1997 letter to Judge Frank John McGill as well as your September 20, 1996 Request for Examination of Report Filed by a Judicial Officer. In your letter to Judge McGill, you assert on page 2, paragraph 4 that you have filed a "criminal complaint affidavit" with Judge Bunton. On page 4 you accuse Judge Paul Kelly of a felony. On page 8 you assert that you are waiting receipt of an arrest warrant for Judge Kelly. I do not understand the basis of your assertions. However, I will tell you that any attempt by you to privately execute any type of "arrest warrant," against any member of the federal judiciary would constitute a violation of 18 U.S.C. � 1201 - Kidnaping, a felony which carries a potential of life imprisonment. Also, attempts on your part to file private "criminal complaint affidavits" or "arrest warrants" regarding members of the federal judiciary would constitute a violation of 18 U.S.C. � 111 - Impeding a Federal Officer in the Performance of Their Official Duties. I trust you will take my warnings seriously and that you will cease this obstreperous conduct. If you do not, federal criminal charges will be filed against you. Sincerely, [Signature] ROBERT J. GORENCE First Assistant U.S. Attorney RJG/maf http://www.jya.com/whprjg.htm as an indication that justice would not be forthcoming from the New Mexico District Attorney's Office. Therefore, I sought external relief. First with Judge Fern Smith, District of Northern California on March 11, 1996. Smith along with Albuquerque FBI agent-in-charge Thomas Knier sent FBI agents to our home to attempt to threaten me. Next I sought relief from J. Clifford Wallace, chief judge, Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals on July 9, 1996. Wallace received a criminal complaint affidavit on Knier on July 15, 1996 for sending FBI agents in an attempt to threaten me. Ms. Corina Orozco, Deputy Clerk., Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals wrote me August 15, 1996 This court is in receipt of you letters dated July 15, 1996. If you wish to file an appeal in this court and seek judicial relief you must first file an action in the U.S. District Court. NO, judge Hug, I was filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS. Gwen Baptiste from the Office of the Clerk, United States Court of Appeals for The Ninth Circuit, wrote on July 25, 1996 Re: Complaint of Judicial Misconduct We have received your complaint of judicial misconduct. Pursuant to the Rules of the Judicial Council of the Ninth Circuit Governing Complaints of Judicial Misconduct or Disability, you complaint is being returned to you for compliance with the above rules. A copy of these rules is enclosed. To understand the purpose of the procedure and who may be complaint about please refer to Rules 1 and 2. AGAIN, judge Hug, I am filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS not COMPLAINTS OF JUDICIAL MISCONDUCT. Judge Hug, I hope it is FINALLY CLEAR that I am filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS as I am entitled to do by law. Judge Hug, THE DOCUMENTS YOU SHOULD HAVE IN YOUR POSSESSION and you can view on Internet at http://www.jya.com/snlhit.htm show 1 Criminal violations of the Privacy Act http://www.jya.com/hr105-37.txt ATTACHED 11 pages beginning with Sandia National Laboratories director Michael Robles writing EEOC Director Charles Burtner. A I never saw the documents until Sandia employee Richard Gallegos gave me a copy in 1997. B Sandia denied that the documents existed. C The documents contain factually incorrect information. I did NOTHING WRONG. I followed all Sandia procedures known to me and obtained all required Sandia approvals. D I was never given an opportunity to defend myself. http://jya.com/greene.htm E Neither Sandia nor EEOC had my permission in writing for release of the information. 2 A ATTACHED PERJURED SWORN affidavit by Sandia attorney Gregory Cone submitted of the court of New Mexico judge John Conway. AFFIDAVIT OF GREGORY A. CONE Gregory A. Cone, being duly sworn, deposes and states: 1. I am employed by Sandia Corporation. I am an attorney admitted to practice law in the State of California and before the U. S. Patent and Trademark Office and concentrate on legal issues related to patent and copyright law. In that capacity, I am familiar with activities at the Sandia National Laboratories ("Sandia") as they related to what is sometimes referred to as "reverse engineering." ... It is the general view at Sandia that disassembly of "object code" under such circumstances constitutes a "fair use" of copyrighted software under 17 U.S.C. article 107 and is thus permissible. Sandia bases its view on Sega Enterprises v. Accolade, Inc. 977 F.2d 1510, 24 U.S.P. Q. 2d 1561 (9th Cir. 1992), amended, 1993 U. S. App. LEXIS 78, and Atari Games Corp v. Nintendo of America, Inc, 975 F.2d 832 (Fed. Cir. 1992) ... FURTHER, Affidavit sayeth naught. (signed) GREGORY A. CONE. SUBSCRIBED, SWORN TO and ACKNOWLEDGED before me on this 12th day of August, 1993, by Gregory A. Cone." (signed) Mary A. Resnick Notary Public My Commission Expires: 2-7-94 Lawyer Cone has citations reversed. The U. S. Patent Quarterly references the Atari v Nintendo lawsuit. 1510 should be corrected to 1015. Judge Fern Smith ruled in both cases: The first two cases to directly address the issue of intermediate copying both originated in California's Northern District Court. They are Atari v. Nintendo and Sega v. Accolade. In both cases, the district court found that intermediate copying was NOT fair use. ... In a strong opinion she [Fern Smith] wrote in March 1991, when granting Nintendo's request for a preliminary injunction against Atari, she lambasted Atari's lawyers for thievery. ... However, both cases have been overruled on appeal. In the ground-breaking Atari decision, the Federal Circuit held that intermediate copying was a fair use. The Sega decision, which was appealed to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, similarly overruled the district court and held that intermediate copying may be fair use. The New Use of Fair Use: Accessing Copyrighted Programs Through Reverse Engineering, Stephen B. Maebius, Journal of the Patent and Trademark Office Society, June 1993, 75, n6, p433 Cone's affidavit attempts to create the appearance that reverse engineering I REFUSED to do for the FBI was legal before July 27, 1992, the date of my firing. Decision of the appeal was apparently Decided SEPTEMBER 10, 1992. Page 1016 from 24 USPQ 2d, Atari Games Corp. v. Nintendo of America. I was fired JULY 27, 1992! Lawyer Cone has under oath knowingly made a false material declaration before a court. Judge Hug, we just can't get the arrest warrant issued for Cone YET. Or for those who violated the criminal sections of the Privacy Act Judges and clerks who are apparently are reluctant to properly proceed against other federal or federal contract employee are themselves committing crimes. Judge Hug, there is ONE SET OF LAWS in the United States of America. Not a set of laws which applies to ordinary citizens and another which apply to judges, clerks, federal and federal contract employees. Rule 3 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, entitled the Complaint provides: The complaint is a written statement of the essential facts constituting the offense charged. It shall be made upon oath before a magistrate. As you may be aware, An individual may "make a written complaint on oath before an examining and committing magistrate, and obtain a warrant of arrest." This is in conformity with the Federal Constitution, and "consonant with the principles of natural justice and personal liberty found in the common law." [United States v Kilpatrick (1883, DC NC) 16G 765, 769] You may also be aware, A complaint though quite general in terms is valid if it sufficiently apprises the defendant of the nature of the offense with which he is charged. [United States v Wood (1927, DC Tex) 26F2d 908, 910, affd (CA5 Tex) 26 F2d 912. And for your edification, The commission of a crime must be shown by facts positively stated. The oath or affirmation required is of facts and not opinions or conclusion. [United States ex rel. King v Gokey (1929, DC NY) 32 F2d 793, 794] The complaint must be accompanied by an oath. [Re Rules of Court (1877, CC Ga) 3 Woods 502, F Cas No 12126] A complaint must be sworn to before a commissioner or other officer empowered to commit persons charged with offenses against the United States. [United States v Bierley ( 1971, WD Pa) 331 F Supp 1182] Such office is now called a magistrate. A complaint is ordinarily made by an investigating officer or agent, and where private citizens seek warrants of arrest, the practice recommended by the Judicial Conference of the United States is to refer the complaint to the United States Attorney. However, further reference to him is rendered futile where a mandamus proceeding is brought to compel him to prosecute and he opposes the proceeding. [Pugach v Klein (1961, SD NY) 193 F Supp 630, citing Manual for United States Commissioners 5 (1948)] Any attempt to bring criminal complaints to government authorities would, of course, be as evidenced by Gorrence's letter http://www.jya.com/whprjg.htm . I am a citizen of the United States and you are the assigned magistrate. In order to satisfy the requirement of the Constitution and Rules 3 and 4, a written and sworn complaint should set forth the essential facts constituting the offense charged and also facts showing that the offense was committed and that the defendant committed it. And, As to the requirement that the complaint be made on personal knowledge of the complainant, it is enough for the issuance of a warrant that a complainant shows it to be on the knowledge of the complainant. [Giordenello v United States (1958) 357 US 480, 2 L Ed. 2d 1503, 78 S Ct 1245, rev. (Ca5 Tx) 241 F2d 575, 579 in accord Rice v Ames (1901) 180 US 371, 45 L Ed 577, 21 S ct 406, and United States v Walker, (1952, CA2 NY) 197 F 2d 287, 289, cert den 344 US 877, 97 L Ed 679, 73 S Ct 172] So as to keep contiguous the requirements of the law and the criminal complaint affidavits, I will include this complaint in this letter to you. CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVIT: Gwen Baptiste Essential material facts are: 1 July 25, 1996 Gwen Baptiste improperly returns criminal complaint affidavits properly forwarded to Ninth Circuit judge J Clifford Wallace. 2 May 5, 1998 Bapitist repeats return of criminal complaint affidavits properly sent to judge Proctor Hug Jr. COUNT 1 3 Ninth circuit Senior Case Expeditor Gwen Baptiste is charged with REPEATED INTENTIONAL MACLIOUS Obstruction of Justice, 18 USC 1512, (b) and (c). Title 18 Obstruction of Justice, Article 1512, as amended, states Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant (b) Whoever knowingly uses intimidation ... threatens, ... or engages in misleading conduct toward another person with intent to - (3) hinder, delay or prevent the communication to a law enforcement officer or judge of the United States of information relating to the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense ... (c) Whoever intentionally harasses another person and thereby hinders, delays, prevents, or dissuades any person from - (1) reporting to a law enforcement or judge of the United States the commission or possible commission of a Federal offense ... or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned ... for Baptiste's TWO attempts to convince citizen Payne to file a judicial misconduct complaint when Payne was filing CRIMINAL COMPLAINT AFFIDAVITS. VERIFICATION Under penalty of perjury as provided by law, the undersigned certifies pursuant to 28 USC section 1746 that material factual statements set forth in this criminal complaint are true and correct, except as to any matters therein stated to be information and belief of such matters the undersigned certifies as aforesaid that the undersigned verily believes the same to be true. Date William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 505-292-7037 Judge Hug, many citizens are becoming disgusted with government misconduct. Something must be done to correct this. One example is of government misconduct is how the Department of Justice handled the case of a citizen ACCUSED of a federal firearm violation. http://www.monumental.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/ Displeasure with the way the government handled to bring the ACCUSED to justice led to an unfortunate display of dissatisfaction. ARTICLES RELATED TO OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Tenth circuit court clerks and judges violated their own rules denying court wins to citizen Morales and myself. Senator Orrin Hatch improperly processed a judicial misconduct complaint against New Mexico judge John Conway. http://www.jya.com/whp071598.htm These two acts mostly caused Morales and me AND OTHERS to reveal additional unfortunate decisions by factions within the US government in the hope PROMPT SETTLEMENT will bring relief. http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm http://caq.com/cryptogate http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm We seeks changes within the law so as to avoid future citizen frustration of our government and legal system not working properly. And possible unacceptable, but understandable, future expressions of frustrations of government employees not obeying the law. WRITTEN EVIDENCE both in document copies and on Internet is so BLATANT that crimes have been committed. I ask that you do you job and issue the warrants of arrest. Or write me and tell me why you cannot. I ask that you respond within 30 days. No response is an invalid response. 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Thank you! _______________________________________________________________________ From CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com Mon Aug 10 11:22:07 1998 From: CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 10, 1998 Message-ID: <199808101816.NAA16263@mailstrom.revnet.com> Warning Could not process message with given Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BDC467.BAA716B0" From ptrei at securitydynamics.com Mon Aug 10 11:55:27 1998 From: ptrei at securitydynamics.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 11:55:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: I'm from the government, and I'm here to control your email.... Message-ID: - start of quoted section ----------- http://www.computerworld.com/home/news.nsf/all/9808064usps Clinton backs universal E-mail plan By Tom Diederich The Clinton administration wants all Americans to have an E-mail address to go along with their street address and is asking the U.S. Postal Service to deliver the project's backbone. The idea is to connect physical and electronic addresses using the nation's Internet "country code" -- the top-level ".us" domain. Then a company or government agency, for example, could send bills or bulletins to your electronic mailbox as well as your home. The administration said the move would "accelerate and universalize the growth of electronic commerce," according to the Postal Service. [...] The Postal Service sent a proposal to launch the .us domain initiative to the Commerce Department on June 1. The department on Monday said it would accept comments from the public, based on 11 questions (http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/domainname/usrfc/dotusrfc.htm, until Sept. 3. ) Responses will be posted on the National Telecommunications and Information Administration's Web site (http://www.ntia.doc.gov/). - end of quoted section - There is an utter cluelessness here which assumes that there is and/or should be a strong corrospondence between an individual, a physical location, and an email address. This is not suprising, considering that this is from the Post Office, which is mired a 19th century concept of what constitutes 'mail'. I suspect that the PO will want to be able to charge for all mail sent to these addresses. The miserable failure of the USPS to generate any interest in their offer to 'frank' email (for a price) may play into this. Once everyone has an government registered email address, it will be a simple matter to forbid the use of uncontrolled email addresses (for either sending or receiving) at least within the US. It's to be expected that government agencies will refuse to send to any other address. In my opinion, the proper response of the USPS to competition from email and parcel delivery services would be to wind down USPS operations. There is no longer a critical need for a protected monopoly in postal delivery. Peter Trei Disclaimer: The above represents my personal opinions only. From CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com Mon Aug 10 12:06:16 1998 From: CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 10, 1998 Message-ID: <199808101854.NAA19734@mailstrom.revnet.com> ========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM.� Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. If you cannot open the icon/attachment, please visit http://www.wow-com.com/professional/� for the wireless daily news. 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(2) New Knowledge Base Articles =============================== In addition to the FAQ documents mentioned below, the following articles were recently added or updated in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: Active Data Objects ------------------- INFO: CreateRecordset Method Cannot Directly Post to Database (190903) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/9/03.asp SAMPLE: CreateRS.exe Uses the CreateRecordset Function in VC++ (190473) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/4/73.asp ActiveX SDK ----------- INFO: Java Applets Cannot Be Scripted in Mac Internet Explorer (190283) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/2/83.asp INFO: Cannot Distribute Eastman or Wang Imaging Controls (190036) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/0/36.asp Active Server Pages ------------------- PRB: ADODB.Recordset Error '800a0bb9' When Using Boolean Filter (190743) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/7/43.asp HOWTO: Insert Into SQL with Embedded Single Quotes from ASP (190742) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/7/42.asp Internet Explorer Development ----------------------------- BUG: Using Scriptlet Control in MFC App causes assertion (190838) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/8/38.asp BUG: UNICODE Byte Order Marks Ignored by Internet Explorer 4.0x (190837) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/8/37.asp FIX: 16-Bit Internet Explorer Fails on Secure Sites Using Proxy (190662) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/6/62.asp PRB: HTML Tag KEYGEN Not Supported in Internet Explorer (190282) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/2/82.asp DOC: THEAD tag Fails to Create Static Headings in Scrolling Pane (190281) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/2/81.asp INFO: JavaScript Entities Not Supported in Internet Explorer 4.0 (190280) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/2/80.asp BUG: THEAD and TFOOTER Text Is Not Printed on Each Page (190278) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/2/78.asp PRB: HREF="#" with Event Code Behaves Differently (190244) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/2/44.asp PRB: Using Brackets [] to Index an Array of Objects Causes Error (190243) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/2/43.asp PRB: JavaScript Errors, Broken Images, and Links Over SSL (190052) http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q190/0/52.asp BUG: HTML Dialog Ignores Size Parameters Without

(Reposted due to a forged cancel.) - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: What I like about MS is its loyalty to customers! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNeMe549Co1n+aLhhAQFy8gP+L06L2I8ESdqM3p7c6PYa8gkTV3mAf2pe NO7JzmlpBqOr5fk60Yawhp4ET6CakUJEqU4B0aCTu5J763vQAQ4awRDaMXmHvbPv RQO9O9Rvq7E3/FocySvgXHe4CkqpRyFSQ4VJlgaHA6F5KCDu3mknMRA6o94j4VF1 rI4x23Tgu8w= =L7mp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From ptrei at securitydynamics.com Tue Aug 25 13:48:02 1998 From: ptrei at securitydynamics.com (Trei, Peter) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:48:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reinsch: Crypto export law changes soon. Message-ID: On NPR's "Talk of the Nation" yesterday, Bill Reinsch, who is an undersecretary for Export Administration in the Department of Commerce, stated that a change in the export regs should be expected around Labor Day. The context was that the 'promise to compromise your future products, and we'll let you export un-escrowed DES until the end of 1998' deal is running out, and BXA wants business to know (slightly) ahead of time what the new regimen will be. The entire ToTN article can be heard on Real Audio: http://www.npr.org/programs/totn/archives/1998/current.html Peter Trei ptrei at securitydynamics.com From downloads at hlserver.com Tue Aug 25 13:59:32 1998 From: downloads at hlserver.com (jason roks) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: PC Beta Download (was Re: Download Info (Form) PC) In-Reply-To: <199808242238.SAA11737@sol00320.dynamicweb.net> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for checking out Hotline. We hope you enjoy our software and tell all your friends. Please check back at our web site for the latest news about Hotline Communications Ltd. 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Name: not available Type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded Size: 34 bytes Desc: not available URL: From caj at math.niu.edu Tue Aug 25 14:20:12 1998 From: caj at math.niu.edu (Xcott Craver) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:20:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: <199808251952.OAA001.81@geiger.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote: > Now we have to worry about PC variable and function names. What a > crock. Oh, yeah, you really have to worry about *accidentally* calling your variables getwatermelons and somefriedchicken. Reminds me of this one guy in our neighborhood who was just jogging by our house, bent down to tie a shoelace, lost his balance and accidentally planted a huge burning cross in our front lawn. Woops! Those damn PC-mongers are making it a crime to jog! One note: I don't see why this lawsuit would be hard to win on the grounds that source code isn't necessarily "speech." If co-workers left a big wooden swastika on her desk it wouldn't be speech either, but I'd call that actionable. Another note: frivolous naming conventions are dangerous for more than one reason. Some Y2K firms scan COBOL code for variables which are likely to be dates, using the actual variable names for clues; this is much less likely to work if you name your field BLOW-JOB instead of ESTIMATED-START-DATE. -Scott From attila at hun.org Tue Aug 25 14:48:30 1998 From: attila at hun.org (attila) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 14:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: illegitimate America In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980825102812.03678894@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I heard Clinton's voice for the first time -really- at the barbershop on Wed. I thought he was labeled a great speaker --his accent is one thing, but the resonance I expected was more nasal and hard (despite the fact he was on the attack). one thing was immediately apparent from his body language --mean, a wounded jackal, and the ominous signs of a dirty fighter just below the surface. he should have been a circus barker or patent medicine hawker. I dont remember what Clinton said as it was just the usual accusations of persecution. a made for TV president? I suppose, when you consider what TV, the potentially great teacher, degenerated to: nothing more than bread and circi, gladiators and moral decadence. the average six year old has seen 2,000 murders, many of the graphic --and then we wonder why the current generation has no concept of the value of life, or that death and sex are easy and maybe interchangeable? I read part of Clinton's text --no speech writer in Washington, even the real slime-balls, even James Carville, would, on camera, skirt the whole issue, not even admitting to the concept of a sexual affair; dismissing the faked apology in 30 seconds and then spending 3 1/2 minutes in a fierce, partisan, false-premise attack on Starr. there was a NYTimes story on Jordon. apparently Jordon dropped a bomb with the grand jury stating he had been deceived by Clinton. likewise, Betty Currie hung him out to dry and that she had been used. Jordon was not willing to take the fall for Slick Willie, or even be a part of deception. Jordon has been around too long, and is a respected part of the Washington legal crowd (well, as respectable as lawyers can ever be...). Betty Currie, black, is known as a Christian, righteous and dependable, the last stop before the boss for years --she came with Clinton from Arkansas. that man is dangerous.... Ambrose Evans-Price is back in Washington --I suppose for the kill; expect him to really start digging again to finish his prior work. Bubba is a 3 year old who has had a toy (which he stole from a 2 year old) taken away from him, and is truculently throwing his tantrum as if his g_d-given rights to rape, pillage, and burn were being trampled. I have subscribed to the oft stated presumption that Clinton is an illegitimate Rockefeller --Lawrence, Winthrop's brother. Hot Springs and the countless door openings. the story of a William Blake, a traveling salesman, was pure swamp-water; they picked Blake since he was dead --remember the second half-brother (paternal) which turned up right after election whose mother actually was married to Blake --sure like to see a DNA comparison. As a pure Poor Southern White (trailer) Trash, Clinton would never have been given the opportunities he received. Bubba has the strange mix of the trailer trash he really is and the connections of the Rockefellers. Clinton is not the only extremely intelligent child to grow up in an Arkansas trailer park, but he is probably is the only one to do more than wear his CAT or Mack cap backwards. my friend, foreign correspondent Eric Margolis said yesterday: A number of readers have reminded me I predicted four years ago Clinton would be undone by personal scandals in his second term. I didn't need a crystal ball. Having observed Clinton's career since he followed me by two years at Georgetown University, I knew he was a ruthlessly ambitious politician, whose utter lack of honesty, character, or honor would one day bring him low. consider the book Primary Colors, of which (joe?) Klein has been unmasked as the writer: it exposes the total lack of character in both Bill and Hillary --total amorality, riding scandal after scandal with plausible denials. affair after affair... and there is a white-black child in Australia, but the mother is silent --money or fear? more DNA anyone? someone else made the comment that the women consider him a likable rogue --soap opera. Clinton plays the women like violins, pressing all the hot buttons of the 25-45 class and they give him a 20-25% edge, a figure quoted by many polls and, of course, it was enough to dump "just plain ol' dull George". Margolis made another interesting (and obvious) comment: Far from the wronged, last-to-know wife, Hillary Clinton is an Arkansas Lady Macbeth. She is the guiding force behind the Clinton presidency, who accepts her husband's sleazy infidelities as a price of power. Mrs Clinton's ardent left-liberal views did not deter her from taking $100,000 in commodity payoffs from big business, spearheading the Whitewater land fraud, hiding documents from government investigators, terrorizing White House employees, or amassing illegal files on Republicans. nothing we have not known, but better stated. a way of life... can you even consider the Clintons a dysfunctional family? --it's more like something out of Charles Adams. Angela Houston played the perfect Hillary, and her sleazy husband fits Bill. it makes you wonder about Chelsea. there she was on the tarmac with her father, ugly as ever, but up front. she may have looked like she had been whupped by an ugly stick (normal), but she sure wasn't hiding --how can she return to Stanford this fall? being the daughter of a sitting President isn't easy --but Chelsea? (...and we thought Amy had a tough time...). more Margolis: The Clintons haven't yet been caught red-handed because they are both lawyers, the curse of modern America. Both knew precisely how to conceal their questionalble dealings behind an impenetrable smokescreen of legal ambiguities, how to skirt the law and avoid open illegality, to never leave written evidence. That's why the Special Prosecutor, Judge Starr, has had such a difficult time in untangling the Gordian Knot of the Clinton's finances... "...lawyers, the curse of modern America" --yes, the U.S. has honed their skill to a new and deeper cesspool, but the lawyers have been with us from antiquity --the Pharisees, for instance. well, let's see if my 1986 prediction, even before the name Clinton burst upon the national political scene, falls into place. Bush could very well be the last U.S. president to finish his elected term. any way the game plays out now is a potential disaster. Clinton is not going to leave office willingly or voluntarily and Hillary's FBI files will just be a beginning for the Republicans --even the NYTimes and Washington Post will end up looking like the National Enquirer in this blood bath. a) impeachment: James Carville will have a field day opening the Congressional sewer. Clinton will still be commander-in-chief and the U.S. will quickly be in a foreign war which will bring actual warfare to the American land. if Al Gore, with his unfolding problems, moves to 1600 Pennsylvania, the welfare state will roll out of the garage and take off --the military falling into disarray, unprepared and unsupplied to keep the lid on Pax Americana. America is not loved, probably not even by the Brits as they hang in there now since they need the company while they play standoff with the EC. b) assassination: I dont think the country could survive another one, and the results following the chaos would be the same. c) accident: there is a joke running around about Clinton visiting a class room and asking if anyone knew what a 'tragedy' was. the first child suggested when a friend is run over on a bike. Clinton said no, that would be an 'accident'. a second child suggested when a school bus went over a cliff. Clinton said no, that would be a 'great loss'. finally, a child said that a 'tragedy' was if an airplane carrying Bill and Hillary crashed and they were killed. Clinton said that yes, that would be a 'tragedy' and asked the child why that would be a 'tragedy'. "Simple", said the child, "it wouldn't be an 'accident' and it certainly would not be a 'great loss'". this begs the old joke of how do you create a "flood"...? Janet Reno has been protecting Al Gore for some several years, but the pot is beginning to show foul smelling fistules. the campaign funds sleeze which oozes out of that pot will cripple the Democratic party --the fund swapping with the Teamster president's election fund alone is pure racketeering, while the Chinese connections are treasonous. and the Democrats will retaliate in kind. you cant vote the politicians out of office --the inbred two-party (supposedly) system is self-sustaining with reformers learning very quickly that reelection is dependent on playing the line, with few notable exceptions. this collection of power hungry thieves drops sleeper legislation into unrelated laws, legislation which now brings us a national ID card by fall 2000, complete with biometrics, credit record, driving record, criminal record, medical record, and whatever else they want to slide in --the mark of the beast is upon us and "the number of the beast is six hundred three score and six". [RV 13:15-18] the American people can not win a war against Washington; Clinton and friends would not hesitate to use UN troops against American targets; and who can supply a rebel army today? is Russia going to help the "patriots" with arms and supplies and provide the clandestine radio/TV facilities? besides, Clinton's Gestapo is root out and exterminating the militias. militias composed today of only of the foolish brave. that leaves massive civil disobedience --such as withholding taxes. but joe six pack and friends are never going to accept what that means --the destruction of the U.S. infrastructure and the consequent invasion of America by her "friends" to divvy up the spoils and subjugate what's left of the population --probably less than 50 million when the cities collapse and are wasted. unfortunately, joe six pack will be trying to tune in another sitcom when it all collapses --when the cold beer runs out, he will only be confused. pessimism? I dont think so. the question is "when?" the cards are all on the table: world economics, Islamic jihad (the cruise missiles coalesced the divergent groups into even more hatred), irresolvable corruption in virtually all national governments: total instability in Russia, the Japanese "house of cards" with a gangster compromised political system which will not force the changes required, and China about to pay the piper for her financial cronyism. the "conspiracy" theorists have no clue. there is no conspiracy. it's nothing more than greedy men around the world, in concert with corrupt governments who have taken away any semblance of civilization's morality. the worldwide unfunded paper credit is bigger than even the central bankers can even conceive, let alone handle; it is estimated that 80% of the float is in paper copies of credit card debt and checks traversing the system. a 10% loss is enough to level most balance sheet. even Microsoft with its ill-gotten filthy lucre could not sustain a 20% write off, or an 80% collapse. a global crash this time around will cripple mankind, plunging the globe into starvation and disease as the infrastructure implodes. the U.S. is the most vulnerable --how many can be supported in the population centers? who survives? probably less than 1% of the urban population --lack of water, food, and sanitation; the last is the real killer. much of the third world lives in squalor; but their mortality rate will only be set back 50 years. armies move on their stomachs and require enormous supply trains of food and ammo. America settled two European wars (plus the Japanese) by being able to feed and arm both our armies and those of of our allies. consider that _one_ production line in Southern California was cranking out a new B29 every 30 minutes --48 per day-- that's production, and Rosie the Welder. and the knowledge, in wartime Germany, of another B29 every 30 minutes --from one line, was was demoralizing as the payloads were devastating. you cant do that when your infrastructure is being bombed by the continuous flow of more and more U.S. B24s and B29s --ask Germany. and then people wonder why I live in the Intermountain Empire --but probably not far enough from its borders. attila out... rant mode off. From whgiii at openpgp.net Tue Aug 25 15:20:16 1998 From: whgiii at openpgp.net (William H. Geiger III) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199808252227.RAA004.35@geiger.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In , on 08/25/98 at 04:19 PM, Xcott Craver said: >On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote: >> Now we have to worry about PC variable and function names. What a >> crock. > Oh, yeah, you really have to worry about *accidentally* > calling your variables getwatermelons and somefriedchicken. > Reminds me of this one guy in our neighborhood who was just > jogging by our house, bent down to tie a shoelace, lost > his balance and accidentally planted a huge burning cross > in our front lawn. Woops! Those damn PC-mongers are > making it a crime to jog! Yes and if I want to name my variables getwatermelons and somefiredchicken who are you to tell me I can't? > One note: I don't see why this lawsuit would be hard to win > on the grounds that source code isn't necessarily "speech." > If co-workers left a big wooden swastika on her desk it > wouldn't be speech either, but I'd call that actionable. But they didn't. There is no proof that any of theses variable names were written to be directed at her and the majority of them were written *before* she ever started working there!! - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: OS/2: Not just another pretty program loader! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNeM6Qo9Co1n+aLhhAQEHMAP+OdR38utDHJd4s8r3/fTVedI+xH9A+lNX CU/yeqOx2Y9P8K/ol1wdLf4U3Dzv3VZ+CvRUmVB4juRdFBTnor7wrS3CQiQ1krut K3nLi7HtUqb92VD55eCM4W61c67lqLTD7TTXW2p6sHm8ti3NgK1fGfRPTSk5Ay9S j2tEl6HI5P8= =jRNy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From geer at world.std.com Tue Aug 25 17:31:13 1998 From: geer at world.std.com (Dan Geer) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Reinsch: Crypto export law changes soon. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199808260031.AA07893@world.std.com> current http://www.npr.org/programs/totn/archives/1998/current.html durable http://www.npr.org/programs/totn/archives/1998/980824.totn.html --dan From honig at sprynet.com Tue Aug 25 17:54:30 1998 From: honig at sprynet.com (David Honig) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 17:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Quote of the Day: Bullshit by the horns Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980825175356.008177f0@m7.sprynet.com> The jist of what the NIST dude running the AES program to Crypto 98, UCSB 25 Aug: "We are looking for an algorithm acceptable to you and to the NSA" No one doubled over in laughter, at least physically. over and out There is a secret message embedded in the phosphor of this period. From schneier at counterpane.com Tue Aug 25 18:29:26 1998 From: schneier at counterpane.com (Bruce Schneier) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Announcement: $10,000 Twofish Cryptanalysis Contest Message-ID: <4.0.1.19980817211658.00e7be20@mail.visi.com> To stimulate research into Twofish, the designers are putting their money where their mathematics is. They are offering $10,000 in prize money for the best attack on Twofish during the first round of the AES evaluation. This contest is very different from most other cryptanalysis contests. There is no ciphertext to decrypt, and no key to find. Instead, the $8,000 first prize will be awarded to the person or group (other than the Twofish design team) that publishes the best cryptanalysis of Twofish. The runner up will get a $2,000 second prize. To qualify the cryptanalysis has to contain a significant new result not published earlier by the Twofish team. If no new results are published, the prizes will not be awarded. The deadline of the contest is NIST's deadline for first-round AES comments; the result should be presented in a format compatible with the NIST requirements for first-round comments. Decisions of the judges (the Twofish design team) are final. Good luck, Bruce ********************************************************************** Bruce Schneier, President, Counterpane Systems Phone: 612-823-1098 101 E Minnehaha Parkway, Minneapolis, MN 55419 Fax: 612-823-1590 Free crypto newsletter. See: http://www.counterpane.com From caj at math.niu.edu Tue Aug 25 18:49:19 1998 From: caj at math.niu.edu (Xcott Craver) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:49:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: <199808252227.RAA004.35@geiger.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote: > Yes and if I want to name my variables getwatermelons and somefiredchicken > who are you to tell me I can't? Nobody's saying that you can't. This is about liability for the _results_ of what you type. The same goes for libel: nobody's saying you _can't_ declare that McDonalds puts dead rats in their hamburgers, but hoo boy can you and your boss get sued to pieces if you do. Nothing new here. Further, this is about someone writing code for a company, where others read it; not you, Bill Geiger III, writing code in the privacy of your own basement. Yes, you will get your ass fired clean off of its hinges if you treat company source code as your own little bathroom wall. As for the fact that this code was put there before the woman's arrival, and pretty clearly not intended for her, that may be important in the suit. I don't know how successful harassment suits are when the harassment is undirected --- i.e., crude graffiti, leaving a copy of Playboy lying around, etc. On the other hand, only a moron would write source code for a commercial product without the assumption that other people will be reading it, and in fact will *have* to read it to get paid. Any arguments that the coders didn't intend/expect that the messages would one day be read by a black person is pretty weak. All in all, then, I'd say she has a good chance of winning. The whole bit about source code not being speech is irrelevant, IMHO, since harassment still counts if it ain't speech. The company's only real defense is to rely on the judge & jury's technical confusion about what this "source code" stuff is. -Caj From nobody at replay.com Tue Aug 25 20:34:11 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:34:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is hate code speech? Message-ID: <199808260334.FAA10228@replay.com> On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Xcott Craver wrote: > On the other hand, only a moron would write source code for > a commercial product without the assumption that other people > will be reading it, and in fact will *have* to read it to get > paid. Any arguments that the coders didn't intend/expect that > the messages would one day be read by a black person is pretty > weak. Oh, I don't know. After all, we all know that blacks are so descriminated against. That's why we "need" such things as quotas, affirmative action, "dumbing down" of test scores, special versions of standardized tests for blacks, ebonics, and other such great ideas. Therefore, analyzing the government party line, it is perfectly reasonable to have assumed that blacks would always be so descriminated against as to never get hired for such a position. Right. From stuffed at stuffed.net Wed Aug 26 02:36:48 1998 From: stuffed at stuffed.net (STUFFED NEWS DAILY) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: STUFFED IS NOW *HOT* STUFFED!/Check out all the new FREE hi-res pics and stuff! Message-ID: <19980826071000.26319.qmail@eureka.abc-web.com> Yesterday we published a special issue of Stuffed and SEVEN times more readers than usual visited the site. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Xcott Craver wrote: > On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote: > > Now we have to worry about PC variable and function names. What a > > crock. Um, er, I think, though I am not sure, that the issue in question is either a hypothetical (judging from the article disclaimer), or that if not, it just about ought to be. It is the precise set of facts to lean for the opinion that program code is meaningful speech or activity due the full protection of the First Amendment. I.e., a case with these facts > Oh, yeah, you really have to worry about *accidentally* > calling your variables getwatermelons and somefriedchicken. > Reminds me of this one guy in our neighborhood who was just > jogging by our house, bent down to tie a shoelace, lost > his balance and accidentally planted a huge burning cross > in our front lawn. Woops! Those damn PC-mongers are > making it a crime to jog! > > One note: I don't see why this lawsuit would be hard to win > on the grounds that source code isn't necessarily "speech." > If co-workers left a big wooden swastika on her desk it > wouldn't be speech either, but I'd call that actionable. > > Another note: frivolous naming conventions are dangerous > for more than one reason. Some Y2K firms scan COBOL code > for variables which are likely to be dates, using the actual > variable names for clues; this is much less likely to work if > you name your field BLOW-JOB instead of ESTIMATED-START-DATE. > > -Scott > Michael Brian Scher (MS683) | Anthropologist, Attorney, Policy Analyst strange at cultural.com | http://www.tezcat.com/~strange/ strange at uchicago.edu | strange at tezcat.com Give me a compiler and a box to run it, and I can move the mail. From strange at tezcat.com Wed Aug 26 05:37:43 1998 From: strange at tezcat.com (Mike Scher) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? (fwd) Message-ID: GAH. Sorry about that truncated comment -- Morning misfire - went to postpone to look up cites and sent instead. Grumble finger macros, grumble. The upshot being that a hostile work environment/harassment case with these facts would serve as a great 'tie breaker' in any Supreme Court decision between the "code is not speech" and "code is speech" split we're seeing between federal jurisdictions. That is to say, in the American jurisprudence system, if you want something protected from prior restraint as speech, you also have to take the responsibilities the system imposes on you for the effects of that speech. -M Michael Brian Scher (MS683) | Anthropologist, Attorney, Policy Analyst strange at cultural.com | http://www.tezcat.com/~strange/ strange at uchicago.edu | strange at tezcat.com Give me a compiler and a box to run it, and I can move the mail. From phantom at wwa.com Wed Aug 26 05:55:06 1998 From: phantom at wwa.com (Leif Ericksen) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: <199808251952.OAA001.81@geiger.com> Message-ID: <35E404DB.96F9FBFA@wwa.com> William H. Geiger III wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > In <19980825175524.13582.qmail at suburbia.net>, on 08/25/98 > at 05:55 PM, proff at suburbia.net said: > > >Jackson, who is now working as a full-time programmer at Dell Computers > >in San Antonio, is not willing to give up her fight against IS despite > >the slim chances of a legal victory. "At this point, I'm not interested > >in the money," claims an unbowed Jackson, "I only want the public to > >think twice about the kinds of hateful messages that may be hidden inside > >the software they use everyday." > > Now we have to worry about PC variable and function names. What a > crock. > > Isn't there laws on the books that if you file a frivolous law suite like > the one above and you loose then you have to pay the expenses of the other > party? > > Well this far in the USA we do not have such a law :< We should that way stupid fools that spill hot coffee on themselves will not try to sue McDonalds for over 1.2 Million$ because the coffee was to hot... Go figure, hot coffee is not supposed to be hot. Many other countries have laws that if your bring a case to court and loose you pay the fees of the one you sued. Any folks from around the world that can attest to how your country handles cases? - lhe From howree at cable.navy.mil Wed Aug 26 07:17:54 1998 From: howree at cable.navy.mil (Reeza!) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980827001643.0089fe60@205.83.192.13> At 05:24 PM 8/25/98 -0500, William H. Geiger III wrote: > at 04:19 PM, Xcott Craver said: >>On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote: > >Yes and if I want to name my variables getwatermelons and somefiredchicken >who are you to tell me I can't? > >> One note: I don't see why this lawsuit would be hard to win >> on the grounds that source code isn't necessarily "speech." >> If co-workers left a big wooden swastika on her desk it >> wouldn't be speech either, but I'd call that actionable. > >But they didn't. There is no proof that any of theses variable names were >written to be directed at her and the majority of them were written >*before* she ever started working there!! > Is a swastika on a billboard anywhere in the US objectionable? Is it actionable? By the same Token, By the same Rule. Source code has freely assignable variables, but I sincerely doubt that the originator of the prog. lang. thought watermelons, ribs, or chicken were appropriate variable names. Sis in your own Backyard, Pister. Got Milk??? Reeza! Near famous misquotes, taken out of context: "Dammit kid, how do you expect to learn anything if you insist that I make sense all the time,,," From billp at nmol.com Wed Aug 26 07:46:13 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Real World thoughts Message-ID: <35E41E6E.C88@nmol.com> Wednesday 8/26/98 7:11 AM J Orlin Grabbe 1 Tuesday issue of the ABQ J always carries a special section on computers. t 8/25/98 COUNTDOWN TO Y2K Cataclysm or inconvenience? Of most interest to me was Old mainframes make sheer size of problem nearly overwhelming By Chris Allbritton The Associated Press NEW YORK - The shear number of unique solutions needed for the Year 2000 bug, not the technical aspects, are the real problem behind this glitch in time. ... for the reason of my book and translation Machine, Assembly, and System Programming for the IBM 360, New York: Harper & Row, 1969 Programacion en Lenguaje de Maquina, Asemblador, y de Sistemas con el IBM 360, Harper & Row, 1971 In the 1970s some IBM 360/70/40xx were STILL running IBM 650 simulators which hosted code which companies did not want to rewrite! The message published in the Monday ABQ J �98 Warning! Due to serious bugs and compatibility problems, we join many other PC builders in recommending AGAINST Windows �98 at this time. http://www.c-works.com/ makes me speculate that the hardware vendors were able to try out their new hardware on DOS, Win 3.xx, 95, NT but not on �98. Since Microsoft may not have had new hardware like the AMD K6 -2 [3d], �98 was not fully exercised on the newer architectures. I will send you page on Y2K. And also the copy of NSA deputy director Barbara McNamara's wrote me a letter dated 19 August 1998. http://www.nsa.gov:8080/mission.html McNamara DENIED my fee waiver appeal for search for invoices NSA spent on public key chips. From my inside dealings with NSA's R division and Sandia employees I learned that both had some VERY UNFORTUNATE EXPERIENCES with public key. I am sending both you and John Young copies of NcNamara's letter. McNamara wrote, This response may be construed as a denial of your appeal. Accordingly, you are hereby advised to your right to seek judicial review of my decision pursuant to 5 U.S.C. � 552(a)(4) (B) in the United States District Court in the district in which you reside, in which you have your principal place of business, in which the Agency's records are situated (U.S. District Court of Maryland), or in the District of Columbia. http://www.jya.com/hr105-37.txt I wonder if http://www.taliban.com/ is the �real thing� or an �intelligence agency� spy plot? Since we send Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:43:24 -0600 From: bill payne To: dpcintrn at osd.pentagon.mil, abumujahid at taliban.com it doesn�t matter too much either way. We either get both or the same twice. I am reading http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ Impeachment Watch The High Cost of the War on Terrorism Bill Clinton's $100 Million Crusade Against Ken Starr by Charles R. Smith August was an expensive month for the U.S. taxpayer. For example, Bill Clinton shot $100 million on August 20, 1998 at "terrorist" sites in Sudan and Afghanistan. The 79 Tomahawk cruise missiles signaled a new "war" that Bill Clinton decided to declare on terrorism and not to be confused with the $100 million White House "war" on Ken Starr. ... Last night I was CAREFULLY STARTING to read HARCOPY OF http://www.softwar.net/plight.html especially Sensor input is processed through the A/D converter and provided as raw 8 bit data which is then saved in WAVformat. A program designed to extract randomization values from the raw data for use as a cipher key could takevarious forms. One form would be to serially store non-repeating samples of data into fixed length blocks for processing, such as 8 or 16 bytes. The sampled values would then be summed, XORed, left or right shift registered (LSR/RSR), least significant bit extracted, or any combination of math processes. The resulting byte of data would then represent the combination of photon values taken over the time period of the sample. Other processes could make use of various formulas, such as lossy or LZ, to give still other values for photons taken over the selected time period of the sample. 10 CLS:DEFINT A-Y:DEFDBL Z 20 OPEN "R",#1,"TEST.WAV",1 30 FIELD #1, 1 AS D$:J=1:O=0 40 Z1 = LOF(1):ZR=64:A=0:O$="" 50 ZR=ZR+1:IF ZR>Z1 THEN GOTO 100 60 GET #1,ZR:I$=D$ 70 GOSUB 110:IF FA=0 THEN GOTO 50 80 E=E+1:IF E>255 THEN E=0 90 GOTO 50 100 CLOSE #1:STOP 110 FA=0:SK=ASC(I$)+SK:IF SK>32510 THEN SK=SK-32510 120 IF S$<>I$ THEN GOTO 130 ELSE RETURN 130 FA=1:S$=I$:A=A+1:O$=O$+I$ 140 IF A=16 THEN GOTO 160 150 RETURN 160 A=0:B=0:O= E XOR J:K=SK MOD 256:O = K XOR O 170 FOR N=1 TO 16:X$=MID$(O$,N,1) 180 B=ASC(X$):O = B XOR O 190 NEXT N:O$="" 200 IF O=J THEN RETURN 210 PRINT O;:J=O 220 RETURN I STARTED to analyze what Smith�s BASIC code did. I am STILL THINKING ABOUT the REASONS FOR 110 FA=0:SK=ASC(I$)+SK:IF SK>32510 THEN SK=SK-32510 which contains PROBABLY ZERO-initialized variable SK. Smith will likely NOT be indicted by BXA http://www.bxa.doc.gov/FOIA/Foiaintro.htm http://www.bxa.doc.gov/FOIA/Foialib.htm for distributing controlled code on Internet. The statement The sampled values would then be summed, XORed, left or right shift registered (LSR/RSR), least significant bit extracted, or any combination of math processes. does NOT EXACTLY TELL what Smith is doing in PCYPHER ENCRYPTION USING LIGHT. But Smith's APPARENT belief that terminal bits of samples taken from continuous distributions are, we believe, uniformly distributed. Payne, W. H., and T. G. Lewis, Continuous Distribution Sampling: Accuracy and Speed, Mathematical Software, ed., J. R. Rice, Academic Press: New York (1971), pp. 331-345. Lewis, T. G., and W. H. Payne, Generalized Feedback Shift Register Pseudorandom Number Algorithm, Journal of Assn. for Computing Machinery, 21, 3 (1973): 456- 468. http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html http://www.friction-free-economy.com Sobolewski, J. S., and W. H. Payne, Pseudonoise with Arbitrary Amplitude Distribution: Part I: Theory, IEEE Transactions On Computers, 21 (1972): 337-345. Sobolewski, J. S., and W. H. Payne, Pseudonoise with Arbitrary Amplitude Distribution: Park II: Hardware Implementation, IEEE Transactions on Computers, 21 (1972): 346-352. http://www.mhpcc.edu/general/john.html HOWEVER, us the the REAL PRACTICAL WORLD http://jya.com/da/whpda.htm might be a bit concerned what happens if the sensor output voltage exceeds EITHER in a plus or minus direction the INPUT range of the a/d converter. http://www.softwar.net/plight.html Collector-Emitter Voltage 30 Volt Emitter-Collector Voltage 5 Volt If the input voltage goes SOMEWHAT HIGHER, then the terminal bit MAY BE A 1 and not random. On the other hand, if the input voltage goes SOMEWHAT LOWER, then the terminal bit MAY BE A 0 and not random. If the input voltages goes LOTS HIGHER OR LOWER than the limits, it is SAYONARA a/d converter! The Real World again. SOME NSA KG schematics Brian Snow showed me had statistical test hardware built in to ATTEMPT to detect non-random output. If the output failed the test, then the KG unit shut down. Smith, I think, has a neat idea which needs to be looked at VERY CAREFULLY. Some of us continue to feel that the crypto key must be as long as the message encrypted. As was pointed out by Gilbert S. Vernam and Joseph O. Mauborgne in 1918. Pseudorandom sequences DON�T WORK VERY WELL FOR ENCRYPTION. Pcypher Light is designed to measure the number of photons from around your PC (light particles) and create a random numbers from that light. Pcypher Light is NOT just software but hardware as well. It is easy to install and use. We give you SOFTWAR's advanced technology Light Probe, a highly sensitive phototransistor, which the software samples at thousands of times per second. Think of it as a microphone for light. In fact all you have to do is plug it directly into the MIC input of any PC sound card. That is it. Run the PC Windows software and start making REAL randomized keys. NOT A PSEUDO KEY GENERATOR. Two reasons are 1 There should always be TWO KEYs. The �real key� and the key you claim IN A LEGAL-SENSE is the �real key� in case you get CAUGHT. A Nuke them B Send flowers If you send A be sure to have a B key and a receipt for the flowers. 2 Pseudorandom sequences MAY make it difficult to find the SECOND key. So let�s hope these crypto messes http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm http://caq.com/cryptogate http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm http://www.qainfo.se/~lb/crypto_ag.htm gets SETTLED SO THAT WE CAN ALL DEBATE TECHNICAL ISSUES and PUBLISH our results in RECOGNIZED SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS and POST on the Infobahn too. I want to revise my book for Windows and the 80C32 too. Best bill http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2 http://jya.com/f86/whpf86.htm From mcw at atreus.ncs.ncsc.mil Wed Aug 26 08:51:26 1998 From: mcw at atreus.ncs.ncsc.mil (mcw at atreus.ncs.ncsc.mil) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is Hate Code Speech? Message-ID: <9808261651.AA06929@atreus.noname> I've searched the web and newsgroups several times, and found no mention of "Willa Jackson". I find it unlikely that this is real. Despite my respect for Mr. Geiger, I must disagree - I don't find the suit frivolous at all. Briefly, I think that anyone who maintains software will agree that naming variables & functions by any standard other than that of their function is poor programming practice, and impedes maintenance. Clearly the authors of the code had some intent other than that of writing maintainable code. The fact that there were one or more coherent themes in the names chosen indicates that their agenda was probably coherent. The fact that management took no action when informed of this indicates a complicity. In essence, I believe that we are all entitled to a workplace free of hate, and full of respect for our professional abilities. For sheer economic reasons, I think that the management of any responsible firm will act to ensure that (respect is worth quite a few $$ in compensation). I acknowledge that you're welcome to use whatever variable names you want in code you write in private. BUt if you want to sell that code, it should be held to a standard of professionalism. From whgiii at openpgp.net Wed Aug 26 10:14:09 1998 From: whgiii at openpgp.net (William H. Geiger III) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is Hate Code Speech? In-Reply-To: <9808261651.AA06929@atreus.noname> Message-ID: <199808261721.MAA014.73@geiger.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <9808261651.AA06929 at atreus.noname>, on 08/26/98 at 11:51 AM, mcw at atreus.ncs.ncsc.mil said: >I've searched the web and newsgroups several times, and found no mention >of "Willa Jackson". I find it unlikely that this is real. >Despite my respect for Mr. Geiger, I must disagree - I don't find the >suit frivolous at all. >Briefly, I think that anyone who maintains software will agree that >naming variables & functions by any standard other than that of their >function is poor programming practice, and impedes maintenance. Clearly >the authors of the code had some intent other than that of writing >maintainable code. The fact that there were one or more coherent themes >in the names chosen indicates that their agenda was probably coherent. >The fact that management took no action when informed of this indicates a >complicity. >In essence, I believe that we are all entitled to a workplace free of >hate, and full of respect for our professional abilities. For sheer >economic reasons, I think that the management of any responsible firm >will act to ensure that (respect is worth quite a few $$ in >compensation). >I acknowledge that you're welcome to use whatever variable names you want >in code you write in private. BUt if you want to sell that code, it >should be held to a standard of professionalism. Yes but should this "standard" be enforced by law? Last time I looked there was no Constitutional right not to be offended. There is a very strong Constitutional right to freedom of speech and the courts have long ruled that it is not just popular speech that is protected. IMHO, this whole matter is an internal company matter. The courts and politicians should have no say in it. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: Windows? WINDOWS?!? Hahahahahehehehehohohoho... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNeREH49Co1n+aLhhAQFOMAP/XfSLbwpHMjGhoAdRX/lVsO1o8Esu+Zzk xbTscHRO8Kw8pEHZkc3PJ9jX/sHy4sd5+LCul6sNjR1pK4s3zwkVAwd3/MbHuW4S JoFBr6k/myD675LAMgYFpkecntmCN6XPxNmsLFtawPURMAUmu0vAyCgmM9w7smTo VIcI3N6C3mU= =mJTj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody at replay.com Wed Aug 26 10:40:57 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No Subject Message-ID: <199808261740.TAA08755@replay.com> http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/ieee/cipher/news-items/980713.LISTWATCH .html My online review of this list and others. Mary Ellen Zurko "We will be obliged to take action ourselves" -Gore on privacy From mok-kong.shen at stud.uni-muenchen.de Wed Aug 26 10:42:04 1998 From: mok-kong.shen at stud.uni-muenchen.de (Mok-Kong Shen) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Programmer faces grand jury for posting encryption In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <35E448E3.C5DEA971@stud.uni-muenchen.de> Martin Minow wrote: > > > > Posted at 12:26 a.m. PDT Wednesday, August 26, 1998 > > Programmer on hot seat for posting encryption software > BY K. OANH HAMercury News Staff > > ''Writer A Sunnyvale software programmer who posted strong encryption > software on the Internet faces a grand jury hearing today to determine > whether he should stand trial for violating federal export laws.Charles > Booher, 39, said he's within his constitutional rights to ``express > himself'' by posting the data-scrambling software, which is three times > stronger than a current government standard. If indicted, Booher's case > would represent the fourth legal challenge in seven years to the federal > government's curb on exporting encryption technology. The case is It would be interesting to know how the grand jury determines the 'three' in 'three times stronger'. M. K. Shen From strombrg at nis.acs.uci.edu Wed Aug 26 10:51:22 1998 From: strombrg at nis.acs.uci.edu (Dan Stromberg) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: <199808252227.RAA004.35@geiger.com> Message-ID: <35E44AD1.442F@nis.acs.uci.edu> William H. Geiger III wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > In , on 08/25/98 > at 04:19 PM, Xcott Craver said: > > >On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote: > > >> Now we have to worry about PC variable and function names. What a > >> crock. > > > Oh, yeah, you really have to worry about *accidentally* > > calling your variables getwatermelons and somefriedchicken. > > Reminds me of this one guy in our neighborhood who was just > > jogging by our house, bent down to tie a shoelace, lost > > his balance and accidentally planted a huge burning cross > > in our front lawn. Woops! Those damn PC-mongers are > > making it a crime to jog! > > Yes and if I want to name my variables getwatermelons and somefiredchicken > who are you to tell me I can't? A company worth working for will have a policy that tells you you cannot. (Ok, those variables are a fuzzy issue - Very bad taste. The violent stuff mentioned in the original article is clear cut, however) > > One note: I don't see why this lawsuit would be hard to win > > on the grounds that source code isn't necessarily "speech." > > If co-workers left a big wooden swastika on her desk it > > wouldn't be speech either, but I'd call that actionable. > > But they didn't. There is no proof that any of theses variable names were > written to be directed at her and the majority of them were written > *before* she ever started working there!! So what's your point? Creating a hostile environment with the expectation that you'll never hire someone who's black is "ok"? From cfrancis at securitydynamics.com Wed Aug 26 11:24:08 1998 From: cfrancis at securitydynamics.com (Francis, Catherine) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:24:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? Message-ID: <6B5344C210C7D011835C0000F8012766020BB4B0@exna01.securitydynamics.com> I worry that, in the process of laying all this flame-bait, y'all are hoping that naive people might think that a job where there's racial and sexual hate-speech isn't a hostile work environment. Putting this sort of language in code does not shelter it from co-workers. It doesn't matter that the offensive names weren't directed at her. It's much worse that they were directed towards an entire group. Or maybe you just admire ethnic slander in terms of cost-efficiency, a sort of more-bang-for-the-buck maximization of intolerance where it's a question of offending the greatest number with the least amount of effort, and simply admire the mechanism by which it's been accomplished? This isn't an issue of free speech. Well, maybe. The coder is free to name her/his/its variables what they like, all ethical issues aside, and equally free to live with the consequences of those actions, which should have been the company not using something so vastly unprofessional and guaranteed to eventually open them up to a suit like this. There are standards of behavior in a workplace that are slightly more restrictive than standing on a soapbox on the quad. A software company's code is an internal company document. The code that you write at home is your document. You may find this distinction instructive. I'm sorry to digress, since this isn't why the article was originally posted, but I was forced to succumb to the troll. Free speech is essential in an open society. Freedom from discrimination is essential in a democracy. Carry on. > ---------- > From: William H. Geiger III[SMTP:whgiii at openpgp.net] > Reply To: lacc at suburbia.net > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 1998 6:24 PM > To: lacc at suburbia.net > Cc: proff at suburbia.net; aucrypto at suburbia.net; cypherpunks at toad.com > Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > In , on 08/25/98 > at 04:19 PM, Xcott Craver said: > > >On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote: > > >> Now we have to worry about PC variable and function names. What > a > >> crock. > > > Oh, yeah, you really have to worry about *accidentally* > > calling your variables getwatermelons and somefriedchicken. > > Reminds me of this one guy in our neighborhood who was just > > jogging by our house, bent down to tie a shoelace, lost > > his balance and accidentally planted a huge burning cross > > in our front lawn. Woops! Those damn PC-mongers are > > making it a crime to jog! > > Yes and if I want to name my variables getwatermelons and somefiredchicken > who are you to tell me I can't? > > > One note: I don't see why this lawsuit would be hard to win > > on the grounds that source code isn't necessarily "speech." > > If co-workers left a big wooden swastika on her desk it > > wouldn't be speech either, but I'd call that actionable. > > But they didn't. There is no proof that any of theses variable names were > written to be directed at her and the majority of them were written > *before* she ever started working there!! > > - -- > - --------------------------------------------------------------- > William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net > Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 > > Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice > PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. > OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html > - --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Tag-O-Matic: OS/2: Not just another pretty program loader! > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 > Charset: cp850 > Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 > > iQCVAwUBNeM6Qo9Co1n+aLhhAQEHMAP+OdR38utDHJd4s8r3/fTVedI+xH9A+lNX > CU/yeqOx2Y9P8K/ol1wdLf4U3Dzv3VZ+CvRUmVB4juRdFBTnor7wrS3CQiQ1krut > K3nLi7HtUqb92VD55eCM4W61c67lqLTD7TTXW2p6sHm8ti3NgK1fGfRPTSk5Ay9S > j2tEl6HI5P8= > =jRNy > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From whgiii at openpgp.net Wed Aug 26 11:37:15 1998 From: whgiii at openpgp.net (William H. Geiger III) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: <35E44AD1.442F@nis.acs.uci.edu> Message-ID: <199808261844.NAA016.34@geiger.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <35E44AD1.442F at nis.acs.uci.edu>, on 08/26/98 at 12:50 PM, Dan Stromberg said: >William H. Geiger III wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> In , on 08/25/98 >> at 04:19 PM, Xcott Craver said: >> >> >On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote: >> >> >> Now we have to worry about PC variable and function names. What a >> >> crock. >> >> > Oh, yeah, you really have to worry about *accidentally* >> > calling your variables getwatermelons and somefriedchicken. >> > Reminds me of this one guy in our neighborhood who was just >> > jogging by our house, bent down to tie a shoelace, lost >> > his balance and accidentally planted a huge burning cross >> > in our front lawn. Woops! Those damn PC-mongers are >> > making it a crime to jog! >> >> Yes and if I want to name my variables getwatermelons and somefiredchicken >> who are you to tell me I can't? >A company worth working for will have a policy that tells you you cannot. >(Ok, those variables are a fuzzy issue - Very bad taste. The violent >stuff mentioned in the original article is clear cut, however) Company policy and federal law are two different things. A company should be able to set their policy to whatever they want, don't like it don't work there. Also please explain exactly what "violent stuff" you are in reference to and how it is "clear cut". >> > One note: I don't see why this lawsuit would be hard to win >> > on the grounds that source code isn't necessarily "speech." >> > If co-workers left a big wooden swastika on her desk it >> > wouldn't be speech either, but I'd call that actionable. >> >> But they didn't. There is no proof that any of theses variable names were >> written to be directed at her and the majority of them were written >> *before* she ever started working there!! >So what's your point? >Creating a hostile environment with the expectation that you'll never >hire someone who's black is "ok"? 1st off the whole notion of "hostile environment" is bunk. It is a loosely undefined term to mean anything the PC crowd wants it to. If you do or say anything that might "offend" a PCer then you have a "hostile workplace". As I said in previous posts you do not have a right to not be offended not only that but thanks to the 1st Amendment I have the right to offend you. One should be very carefull of this whole notion of protecting people from being offended. Not only does it erode the rights protected under the Constitution but it can very easily be turned against those who are promoting it. Political tides are turning and the country as a whole is getting fed up with the PC crowd. I can see lawsuits in the not to distant future against the Pcer for creating a "hostile workplace" by pushing their PC dogma. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: Double your drive space! Delete Windows! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNeRXiI9Co1n+aLhhAQEBHQQAsSUpThEplcfGgsZW2Q6+iqHyp0anMP30 iDAYhd7nhiUE7IpjeeBLSOZAVNYGtgeAtz2fV16EN7watpUtY8DHfDgVdvLPuAr+ FmeQECWpEgl3H+r2diGQYnY9uSAbWew9B6qME6hL0iFdtpT+QNjsxBA0XU0sVWvZ x/7rhIhb/Lo= =R9GK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From caj at math.niu.edu Wed Aug 26 11:40:49 1998 From: caj at math.niu.edu (Xcott Craver) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is Hate Code Speech? In-Reply-To: <199808261721.MAA014.73@geiger.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote: > Yes but should this "standard" be enforced by law? Last time I looked > there was no Constitutional right not to be offended. Yet harassment is actionable. Nutty, huh? And it's just the tip of the iceberg: apparently the law protects you from being severely beaten, despite the fact that there is no explicit constitutional right not to be severely beaten. Not trying to equate harassment with a severe beating, just pointing out that the lack of an explicit constitutional right does not magically nullify the rest of the law. > strong Constitutional right to freedom of speech and the courts have long > ruled that it is not just popular speech that is protected. Indeed, "popular" speech is, almost by definition, the kind of speech that never really needs protection. That first amendment wouldn't have much of a purpose if it only protected popular stuff. > IMHO, this whole matter is an internal company matter. The courts and > politicians should have no say in it. It WAS an internal company matter, apparently, but the company didn't seem to do anything to remedy it. That's when you turn to law. -Caj From sunder at brainlink.com Wed Aug 26 11:44:59 1998 From: sunder at brainlink.com (Ray Arachelian) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: In-Reply-To: <199808261740.TAA08755@replay.com> Message-ID: <35E45684.BA1CC753@brainlink.com> Anonymous wrote: > > http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/ieee/cipher/news-items/980713.LISTWATCH > .html > > My online review of this list and others. > > Mary Ellen Zurko > "We will be obliged to take action ourselves" -Gore on privacy Sorry Anon, but that url 404's... Perhaps you could try again? -- =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder at sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ========================== From strombrg at nis.acs.uci.edu Wed Aug 26 11:56:29 1998 From: strombrg at nis.acs.uci.edu (Dan Stromberg) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: <199808261844.NAA016.34@geiger.com> Message-ID: <35E45A31.1CD2@nis.acs.uci.edu> William H. Geiger III wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > In <35E44AD1.442F at nis.acs.uci.edu>, on 08/26/98 > at 12:50 PM, Dan Stromberg said: > > >William H. Geiger III wrote: > >> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> > >> In , on 08/25/98 > >> at 04:19 PM, Xcott Craver said: > >> > >> >On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote: > >> > >> >> Now we have to worry about PC variable and function names. What a > >> >> crock. > >> > >> > Oh, yeah, you really have to worry about *accidentally* > >> > calling your variables getwatermelons and somefriedchicken. > >> > Reminds me of this one guy in our neighborhood who was just > >> > jogging by our house, bent down to tie a shoelace, lost > >> > his balance and accidentally planted a huge burning cross > >> > in our front lawn. Woops! Those damn PC-mongers are > >> > making it a crime to jog! > >> > >> Yes and if I want to name my variables getwatermelons and somefiredchicken > >> who are you to tell me I can't? > > >A company worth working for will have a policy that tells you you cannot. > >(Ok, those variables are a fuzzy issue - Very bad taste. The violent > >stuff mentioned in the original article is clear cut, however) > > Company policy and federal law are two different things. A company should > be able to set their policy to whatever they want, don't like it don't > work there. Gosh, no kidding? Company policy isn't the same as fed law? As I said, a company worth working for, will have a policy that creates/preserves a decent working environment. > Also please explain exactly what "violent stuff" you are in reference to > and how it is "clear cut". Violence is obviously out of line. Or do you like being threatened? > >Creating a hostile environment with the expectation that you'll never > >hire someone who's black is "ok"? > > 1st off the whole notion of "hostile environment" is bunk. It is a loosely > undefined term to mean anything the PC crowd wants it to. If you do or say I can see you're not worth bothering with. Sad that I wasted this much time responding. From tcmay at got.net Wed Aug 26 11:58:01 1998 From: tcmay at got.net (Tim May) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:58:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: <199808252227.RAA004.35@geiger.com> Message-ID: At 10:50 AM -0700 8/26/98, Dan Stromberg wrote: >A company worth working for will have a policy that tells you you >cannot. (Ok, those variables are a fuzzy issue - Very bad taste. The >violent stuff mentioned in the original article is clear cut, however) This is not the issue. Maybe a company will have a policy forbidding flaky or unusual variable names, maybe it won't. Maybe it will even encourage such names. The issue is whether the government or the courts has any right to intervene to force changes in such matters. .... >So what's your point? > >Creating a hostile environment with the expectation that you'll never >hire someone who's black is "ok"? In a free society, of course it should be legal, even if not desireable to many. Consider some parallels. * The Hitler Corporation is dedicated to selling literature and memorabilia exalting Adolph Hitler. It sells "Mein Kampf." It sells Nazi flags. It sells scale models of the Auschwitz crematoria. All very legal to do, at least in the United States. However, Jewish employees feel offended. They consider the Hitler Corporation to have a "hostile environment." What are their options? In a free society, they walk. In fact, they were fools to ever apply for jobs, and THC was foolish to hire them. * The Carnivore's Den is a meat-only restaurant. Alice B. Vegan feels offended that she is "forced" to serve meat, and she feels her civil rights are being violated by the restaurant. And so on. Non-Mormons feel slighted at Mormon bookstores. Satanists feel slighted at Christian day care centers. And honkies feel out of place at Rastafarian Chicken and Watermelon roadside stands. So? The right to "fit in" in all places is not a right, only a wish. --Tim May "The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants...." ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, ComSec 3DES: 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Licensed Ontologist | black markets, collapse of governments. From whgiii at openpgp.net Wed Aug 26 12:01:02 1998 From: whgiii at openpgp.net (William H. Geiger III) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: <6B5344C210C7D011835C0000F8012766020BB4B0@exna01.securitydynamics.com> Message-ID: <199808261908.OAA016.61@geiger.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <6B5344C210C7D011835C0000F8012766020BB4B0 at exna01.securitydynamics.com>, on 08/26/98 at 02:27 PM, "Francis, Catherine" said: >I worry that, in the process of laying all this flame-bait, y'all are >hoping that naive people might think that a job where there's racial and >sexual hate-speech isn't a hostile work environment. Putting this sort >of language in code does not shelter it from co-workers. 1: In a free and open society one should be able to debate and analyze any topic of their choosing, even your precious PC dogma. Rather than debate the issues at hand you choose to use words like "flame-bait" and "troll" in a weak and obvious attempt to minimize any criticism of your cherished beliefs. 2: y'all <-- We wouldn't be trying to make an subtle ethnic slur here are we. Oh I forgot the PC crowd can attack whites, jews, asians (if they make too much money), southerners, ...ect and that's ok. Do you do this at work? Are you creating a "hostile workplace" with your anti-souther bais?? Do you see how silly this whole "hostile workplace" concept is?? 3: please define "hate-speech" and show where in the 1st Amendments or the numerous SC ruling that there is "Freedom of Speech" except for speech that *you* don't like. Please explain where your "right" not to be offened is derived from. > It doesn't matter that the offensive names weren't directed at her. It's >much worse that they were directed towards an entire group. Or maybe you >just admire ethnic slander in terms of cost-efficiency, a sort of >more-bang-for-the-buck maximization of intolerance where it's a question >of offending the greatest number with the least amount of effort, and >simply admire the mechanism by which it's been accomplished? > This isn't an issue of free speech. Well, maybe. The coder is free to >name her/his/its variables what they like, all ethical issues aside, and >equally free to live with the consequences of those actions, which should >have been the company not using something so vastly unprofessional and >guaranteed to eventually open them up to a suit like this. There are >standards of behavior in a workplace that are slightly more restrictive >than standing on a soapbox on the quad. A software company's code is an >internal company document. The code that you write at home is your >document. You may find this distinction instructive. This is strictly an issue of free speech. Wether you *like* what I have to say is not an issue, I still retain the right to say it. The fact of *where* I say it is irrelevant. If I want to tell a dirty joke, or make a "racist" comment at work that is my *right* to do so. If my employer objects to that behavior then it is his right to take whatever action he feels necessary (upto and including fireing me). This is a matter between myself and my employer and does not involve the courts or the politicians. >I'm sorry to digress, since this isn't why the article was originally >posted, but I was forced to succumb to the troll. Free speech is >essential in an open society. Freedom from discrimination is essential >in a democracy. Carry on. Oh no, you were not "forced", you willfully jumped right in with your emotional dribble, fearful of open, objective, debate of your precious PC dogma. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: Windows? Homey don't play that! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNeRdFo9Co1n+aLhhAQErrAP/Qbb1Y50R7kKXaCs3V1EZZTmeCjZRiFVY OZm6wJcP7fy/oI1TYXE3Pio21+tOZdizy4xISiydLcjgXx6YzwYLJIZh8lAskcHl e/2/65X4oV9dWJYdTW+tbtOYLOY+qy8kGT/A1FOsotknPvy+0k/n2pVSNufBOQpg LBPbuFSX6HU= =Zsad -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From whgiii at openpgp.net Wed Aug 26 12:12:19 1998 From: whgiii at openpgp.net (William H. Geiger III) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:12:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is Hate Code Speech? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <199808261919.OAA016.99@geiger.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In , on 08/26/98 at 01:40 PM, Xcott Craver said: >On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, William H. Geiger III wrote: >> Yes but should this "standard" be enforced by law? Last time I looked >> there was no Constitutional right not to be offended. > Yet harassment is actionable. Nutty, huh? And it's just > the tip of the iceberg: apparently the law protects you > from being severely beaten, despite the fact that there is > no explicit constitutional right not to be severely beaten. > Not trying to equate harassment with a severe beating, just > pointing out that the lack of an explicit constitutional > right does not magically nullify the rest of the law. No, it does not, but unlike beating I *do* have a Constitutional right to be objectionable as I want with my speech. A good example is the Nazi march in Skokie,IL. The SC ruled that they had a right to march despite the fact that the large Jewish community there was quite offended by it. >> strong Constitutional right to freedom of speech and the courts have long >> ruled that it is not just popular speech that is protected. > Indeed, "popular" speech is, almost by definition, the kind > of speech that never really needs protection. That first amendment > wouldn't have much of a purpose if it only protected popular > stuff. > >> IMHO, this whole matter is an internal company matter. The courts and >> politicians should have no say in it. > It WAS an internal company matter, apparently, but the > company didn't seem to do anything to remedy it. That's > when you turn to law. I see, so if a company and it's employees exercise their Constitutionally protect right of free speech and does not stop exercising that right when someone complains then the courts should take over? How does this match with your agreement that the 1st Amendment protects unpopular speech? - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: DOS=HIGH? I knew it was on something... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNeRfzI9Co1n+aLhhAQESSQP+JLyUGOJImWZ8OU9fp2/HpLS89NGmznFN tTdy/fVBOJxZzj+WVaNgy1fIYpgv/4VvLl+PWGDfH3ZpItTn+bj368vAQnv+UcVc ywHHDtLANyAHQqqioz733Zz7D5/KoZ98pei6lGsHzB4kie+3uqaCT4XoSx/LnUpg z8N0s4gKtXE= =JuvM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From turk182 at joshua.chipware.net Wed Aug 26 12:19:29 1998 From: turk182 at joshua.chipware.net (Chip) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:19:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: In-Reply-To: <35E45684.BA1CC753@brainlink.com> Message-ID: > Anonymous wrote: > > > > http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/ieee/cipher/news-items/980713.LISTWATCH > > .html > > > > My online review of this list and others. > > > > Mary Ellen Zurko > > "We will be obliged to take action ourselves" -Gore on privacy > > > Sorry Anon, but that url 404's... Perhaps you could try again? perhaps you could try: http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/ieee/cipher/news-items/980713.LISTWATCH.html don't give up so easily =) --- The above comment is not necessarily that of the author. Chip is chip at chipware.net - PGP, ICQ, PINE, LINUX, YEAH BABY! Fremont, California, USA, Earth, Sol ~ http://www.chipware.net From sunder at brainlink.com Wed Aug 26 12:22:29 1998 From: sunder at brainlink.com (Ray Arachelian) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:22:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: In-Reply-To: <199808261740.TAA08755@replay.com> Message-ID: <35E45F4D.B9E37A67@brainlink.com> Erm, sorry, replied to that a bit too quick. :( Should have seen the 2nd line. :( My bad. Ray Arachelian wrote: > > Anonymous wrote: > > > > http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/ieee/cipher/news-items/980713.LISTWATCH > > .html > > > > My online review of this list and others. > > > > Mary Ellen Zurko > > "We will be obliged to take action ourselves" -Gore on privacy > > Sorry Anon, but that url 404's... Perhaps you could try again? > > -- > > =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== > .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. > ..\|/..|sunder at sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ > <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ > ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. > .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... > ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ========================== -- =====================================Kaos=Keraunos=Kybernetos============== .+.^.+.| Ray Arachelian |Prying open my 3rd eye. So good to see |./|\. ..\|/..|sunder at sundernet.com|you once again. I thought you were |/\|/\ <--*-->| ------------------ |hiding, and you thought that I had run |\/|\/ ../|\..| "A toast to Odin, |away chasing the tail of dogma. I opened|.\|/. .+.v.+.|God of screwdrivers"|my eye and there we were.... |..... ======================= http://www.sundernet.com ========================== From whgiii at openpgp.net Wed Aug 26 12:33:01 1998 From: whgiii at openpgp.net (William H. Geiger III) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: <35E45A31.1CD2@nis.acs.uci.edu> Message-ID: <199808261937.OAA017.62@geiger.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- In <35E45A31.1CD2 at nis.acs.uci.edu>, on 08/26/98 at 11:55 AM, Dan Stromberg said: >> Also please explain exactly what "violent stuff" you are in reference to >> and how it is "clear cut". >Violence is obviously out of line. Or do you like being threatened? No where in the article was it ever mentioned that the you lady in question was ever threatened or ever directly "harassed". That is why I asked the above question which you failed to answer. >> >Creating a hostile environment with the expectation that you'll never >> >hire someone who's black is "ok"? >> >> 1st off the whole notion of "hostile environment" is bunk. It is a loosely >> undefined term to mean anything the PC crowd wants it to. If you do or say >I can see you're not worth bothering with. >Sad that I wasted this much time responding. Why, because I challenge your PC dogma and require to to rationally justify it? We have an old saying here "If you are scared son, then say you are scared". If you are unable to rationally and objectively justify your PC dogma than just say so. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------- William H. Geiger III http://www.openpgp.net Geiger Consulting Cooking With Warp 4.0 Author of E-Secure - PGP Front End for MR/2 Ice PGP & MR/2 the only way for secure e-mail. OS/2 PGP 5.0 at: http://www.openpgp.net/pgp.html - --------------------------------------------------------------- Tag-O-Matic: Turn your 486 into a Gameboy: Type WIN at C:\> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a-sha1 Charset: cp850 Comment: Registered_User_E-Secure_v1.1b1_ES000000 iQCVAwUBNeRkB49Co1n+aLhhAQH0+gQAwuGSiy0ZSP0don4VS5UBKoARjg9LLx26 D8N6xP4286uHW4Phm9A+nHBYohV1bWPTLOM259G0gcy1xIUebNnLg7W4iV+2ITHH lm6yoPLvtN8Oa1QW5hAZAVTC2zIZ+iglD49WhblTMjMd69KR7nU3CWD36rXb4Vsu oc2RxcrCPJ8= =k0l2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dulac at ip.pt Wed Aug 26 12:41:15 1998 From: dulac at ip.pt (Dutra de Lacerda) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: McCarthy return under new clothes Message-ID: <199808261941.UAA07691@mail2.ip.pt> In article , LA at capital.demon.co.uk said... > From the BBC's online network > Thursday, August 13, 1998 Published at 18:12 GMT 19:12 UK > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_150000/150465.stm > > By Internet Correspondent Chris Nuttall > > IT journalist Kenneth Neil Cukier found his laptop the target of a > Customs and Excise swoop when he stepped off the Eurostar shuttle > from Paris at London's Waterloo station last Friday. I now have the text of the original posting. Not all of you may have seen it. Although it contains some repition, there is additional remarks which some may find of interest - Ian. From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: Searched at UK Border for Net Porn Posted to Declan McCullagh's Politech mailing list Politech is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/ [from dave farber's ip list] ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:18:12 -0400 From: "K. N. Cukier" <100736.3602 at compuserve.com> Subject: Searched at UK Border for Net Porn Sender: "K. N. Cukier" <100736.3602 at compuserve.com> Dave, Some days its a bad hair day, other days you see the suite of Western values since the Enlightenment quashed in an instant by a single, soulless, civil servant. Here's what happened to me last Friday when I arrived in London from Paris on the channel tunnel train: As I walked through UK immigration, two guys pulled me aside, flashed badges, and said: "UK Customs. Come with us." They walked me behind a wall where they handed me off to one of a fleet of waiting agents. A customs officer told me to lay my computer bag on the table, and inspected my ticket and passport. After learning I was a reporter, she demanded to see my press card (issued by the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs), and asked about where I was going in London, why, and for how long. "Do you know there are things that are illegal to bring into the UK?" she asked. "Uh, yeah.... There are *many* things that are illegal to bring across borders -- do you have in mind any thing in particular?," I said. "Illegal drugs, fire arms, bomb making materials, lewd and obscene pornographic material...." I felt a rush of relief. I was late and now was assured I could get on with my journey. "I am carrying none of that," I replied, staring directly at her, with a tone of earnest seriousness. "Is that a computer in your bag?" "Yes." "Does it have Internet on in?" Here, I confess, I really didn't know how to answer. What does one say to a question like that?? I was struck dumb. "I use the computer to access the Internet, yes," I said, rather proud of myself for my accuracy. "Is there any pornography on it?" she said, stoically. Here, I figured out what's going on. But I'm mentally paralyzed from all the synapses sparkling all at once in my head: Does she not understand that Internet content is distributed around the world? That I'm just dialing a local number, be it in France or the UK, and that whether I cross a border is moot to what I'm able to access? "There is no pornography stored on the hard drive," I stated. "Do you mind if I check." she says rather than asks, and begins to take the computer out of the bag. "I'm just going to hook it up over there and scan the hard drive..." she continues. And then her face turns dour. "Oh! It's an Apple," she says, dejectedly. "Our scanner doesn't work on Apples." At this point, it's all a little bit too much, too fast, for me to handle. >From seeing my personal privacy ripped out from under me with a computer-enema to an immediate about-face and witnessing my oppressors flounder in the pap of their own incompetence was just too much to bear. Then, of course, I sort of relished the irony of it all. I swung into naive-mode: "Oh. Oh well," I said and began packing up. "Why not?" "I dunno -- it just doesn't," she said. "Is this a common thing that you do? Scan PCs?" "It happens quite often," she said. (Note: I wrote this entire dialogue immediately after the incident, but that particular quote I wrote the moment we parted, to have it exactly right.) "Do you catch a lot?" "Sometimes," she says, cautiously. What's the fine? The penalty?" I asked. She started to become uncomfortable and tried to move me along. "It depends. Every case is different. It depends what they have." "What about if I had encryption -- do you check for that too?" I said, disdaining the risk that she might want to check the computer "by hand" since I'd mentioned the dreaded C-word.... "Huh?! I don't know about that...." "You don't know what cryptography is?" I asked. "No. Thank you, you can go now," she said. And thus ended my experience with inspector "K. PARE_," whose name tag was partially torn at the final one or two letters of her last name. Of course I was burning up. Lots of thoughts raced through me. For example, would I have really let her inspect my hard drive, even knowing I was "innocent." That, of course, was entirely irrelevant to me -- it's about a principle. I thought of my editor -- or ex-editor -- if I didn't make the day-long meeting. And I immediately thought of John Gilmore, and how much I respected him when he refused to board a flight a few years ago when the airline demanded he present a form of identification. Had I acquiesced to their mental thuggery? As soon as I realized I was "safe" from being scanned, I was tempted to pull out my notepad, go into reporter-mode, and make a small scene getting names and superiors and formal writs of whatever.... but suspected it would only get me locked in a room for a full day. Then I thought of how, despite in their kafakain zeal to abuse my privacy, they couldn't even get that right. Not only did they not have a clue what the Internet is, they confirmed their ignorance by not even being able to digitally pat me down. Insult to injury! It brought back something John Perry Barlow once told me about why he doesn't fear US intelligence agencies. "I've seen them from the inside," he said (as I recall), "they will suffer under the weight of their own ineptitude." What's at the heart of this is "thought crime"; and scanning one's computer is paramount to search and seizure of one's intellectual activity. What if they found subversive literature about the proper role of government authority in civil society? Would that have gotten me busted? And do they store what they scan? Are business executives with marketing plans willing to have their data inspected under the umbrella of public safety from porn? Just the night before I read in the memoirs of William Shirer, who wrote The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, about how he was blacklisted for a decade after his name was cited in Red Currents, a magazine that destroyed hundreds of careers during the McCarthy era. He was powerless to defend himself. I see parallels: We are approaching the point were we are incapable of reasonable discourse on Internet content. Refuse to boot up for inspection means you've got something to hide. Defend civil liberties of the accused means you condone guilty acts. Question the nature of the censorious policies in the first place means you are filthy, and as unhealthy as the wily-eyed porn devourer.... State the obvious: That a large part of the drive for Net content regulation is driven by hucksters seeking recognition, and that it is taken to idiotic extremes by a mass movement of simpletons ignorant of the history of hysteria in the US, and, well, you're just a typical lawless cyberlibertian. Finally, it dawned in me. This wasn't an aberration at all, but part of a much deeper trend. It's a British thing, really. "As might be supposed I have not had the time, not may I add the inclination to read through this book," wrote Sir Archibald Bodkin, the director of public prosecutions, on 29 December 1922. "I have, however, read pages 690 to 732 ... written as they are, as it composed by a more or less illiterate vulgar woman ... there is a great deal of unmitigated filth and obscenity." And so James Joyce's Ulysses was banned in Britain for 15 years. Interesting, that. The policy was made by a chap who didn't actually read the work he felt justified to prohibit others from reading. Wonder if the fellows who implemented Britain's scan-for-skin policy actually use the Net themselves...? Kenneth Neil Cukier <100736.3602 at compuserve.com> Singapore, 11 August 1998 (No, I was not stopped by customs officials here. But this e-mail was sent out via government-mandated proxy servers) -- - - - Antonio Manuel Melo de Carvalho Dutra de Lacerda Morada : Rua Rodrigues Cabrilho, 5 - 5 Esq. 1400 Lisboa, PORTUGAL Telefone : +351-(1)-3013579 FAX & BBS : +351-(1)-3021098 From strombrg at nis.acs.uci.edu Wed Aug 26 12:49:11 1998 From: strombrg at nis.acs.uci.edu (Dan Stromberg) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:49:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: <199808261937.OAA017.62@geiger.com> Message-ID: <35E4652F.66D2@nis.acs.uci.edu> William H. Geiger III wrote: > >Sad that I wasted this much time responding. > > Why, because I challenge your PC dogma and require to to rationally > justify it? We have an old saying here "If you are scared son, then say > you are scared". If you are unable to rationally and objectively justify > your PC dogma than just say so. Smirk. /I'm terrified/ I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it. From CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com Wed Aug 26 12:56:18 1998 From: CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:56:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 26, 1998 Message-ID: <199808261903.OAA28710@mailstrom.revnet.com> ========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM.� Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. A new multi-billion dollar industry is here! Be at CTIA's WIRELESS I.T. '98 where personal computing and communications converge! 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And other people have a legal recourse against you if your free speech does something tangibly damaging. Inciting a riot, for instance, or commiting slander, or committing mail fraud. Now, something not tangibly damaging, like harassment, is not so clear cut. But that's why a judge or jury of your peers has to agree before you're forced to pay damages. > A good example is the Nazi march in Skokie,IL. The SC ruled that they > had a right to march despite > the fact that the large Jewish community there was quite offended by it. Yes. And those same courts would consider it harassment if a manager in a company, which has nothing to do with Hitler or Nazis, started cc-mailing anti-Jewish diatribe where Jewish employees would see it. > I see, so if a company and it's employees exercise their Constitutionally > protect right of free speech and does not stop exercising that right when > someone complains then the courts should take over? You seem to be painting this as the government "stepping in," rather than one of the parties involved going TO the gov't (i.e., taking it to the courts) for help. The answer to your question is YES: the whole reason civil law exists is so you can resolve disputes that can't get resolved otherwise. > How does this match > with your agreement that the 1st Amendment protects unpopular speech? The same way libel laws coexist with the 1st Amendment. It's a gross oversimplification to believe that the 1st amendment absolves you of all legal consequences of the things you say. Do you consider libel law unconstitutional? how about copyright law? Do you think it's wrong that you can get in trouble for sending people death threats? Obscene phone calls? Publishing _Jurassic Park_ in your name? Telling people that you can cure their cancer for $100 cash? Hey, it's all speech. Maybe in an alternate universe where the constitution is scribbled in crayon on 1-inch ruled paper, you can say anything you want and neener-neener to anyone who gets hurt. But here in objective reality it's much more complex. -Caj From jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu Wed Aug 26 14:44:19 1998 From: jtatz at chemistry.ohio-state.edu (Jim Tatz) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:44:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is Hate Code Speech? Message-ID: Revolutionary idea! *If you don't like what the SOURCE CODE says.. WORK for another company!* -Jim ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't take yourself too seriously." -Gary Allen Smith From caj at math.niu.edu Wed Aug 26 17:14:47 1998 From: caj at math.niu.edu (Xcott Craver) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is Hate Code Speech? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Jim Tatz wrote: > Revolutionary idea! > > *If you don't like what the SOURCE CODE says.. 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This way, you only need to login once. If you upgrade your computer software, change computers, delete your internet files, or click Sign Out at any time, it will clear the cookie from the computer's hard drive. Just return to the login page and enter your Yahoo! ID and Yahoo Password in the spaces provided and click Sign In to restore the information. You do not need to register again. Q. I use a public terminal, how do I sign out? A. If you are using a public computer, you should always sign out to clear your Yahoo! ID and cookie from the computer's hard drive. Just click the Sign Out button or link near the top of the main page. Thank you for using Yahoo! [207.4.89.156] From nobody at replay.com Wed Aug 26 19:37:17 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? Message-ID: <199808270237.EAA21620@replay.com> On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Dan Stromberg wrote: > > William H. Geiger III wrote: > > >Sad that I wasted this much time responding. > > > > Why, because I challenge your PC dogma and require to to rationally > > justify it? We have an old saying here "If you are scared son, then say > > you are scared". If you are unable to rationally and objectively justify > > your PC dogma than just say so. > > Smirk. /I'm terrified/ I've said it before, and I'll say it again: > > Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it. That's why I'm not wrestling with you. I'll just get dirty, and you'll enjoy it. From bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph Wed Aug 26 20:28:38 1998 From: bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph (Bernardo B. Terrado) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What's in there? =============================================================================== It's funny, I have always been a good listener who understood and cared someones secrets, but to my dismay I have never been understood. metaphone at altavista.net On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Chip wrote: > > Anonymous wrote: > > > > > > http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/ieee/cipher/news-items/980713.LISTWATCH > > > .html > > > > > > My online review of this list and others. > > > > > > Mary Ellen Zurko > > > "We will be obliged to take action ourselves" -Gore on privacy > > > > > > Sorry Anon, but that url 404's... Perhaps you could try again? > > perhaps you could try: > > http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/ieee/cipher/news-items/980713.LISTWATCH.html > > don't give up so easily =) > > > > --- > The above comment is not necessarily that of the author. > Chip is chip at chipware.net - PGP, ICQ, PINE, LINUX, YEAH BABY! > Fremont, California, USA, Earth, Sol ~ http://www.chipware.net > > From kurtbuff at halcyon.com Wed Aug 26 22:07:50 1998 From: kurtbuff at halcyon.com (Kurt Buff) Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: <6B5344C210C7D011835C0000F8012766020BB4B0@exna01.securitydynamics.com> Message-ID: <002a01bdd178$6b04cf80$1b01010a@boar.minuteman.org> Sorry, but you've got it slightly wrong, or maybe you don't... | | I'm sorry to digress, since this isn't why the article was originally | posted, but I was forced to succumb to the troll. Free | speech is essential | in an open society. Freedom from discrimination is essential in a | democracy. Carry on. "Free speech is essential in an open society." Yup, true enough. "Freedom from discrimination is essential in a democracy." Well, maybe. I do take notice of your change in terms, there. All democracy means is mob rule. We don't live in a democracy, and I think you should be glad you don't. Frankly, I think a better observation would follow the form of your first one - "Freedom to discriminate is essential in an open society." The phrase "Freedom from..." has always meant a curtailing of freedom, in my experience. From mok-kong.shen at stud.uni-muenchen.de Thu Aug 27 00:49:44 1998 From: mok-kong.shen at stud.uni-muenchen.de (Mok-Kong Shen) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:49:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: In-Reply-To: <199808261740.TAA08755@replay.com> Message-ID: <35E50F90.7B46EFA8@stud.uni-muenchen.de> Anonymous wrote: > > http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/ieee/cipher/news-items/980713.LISTWATCH > .html > > My online review of this list and others. Access of this led to the error message '404 Not Found' !!!!! M. K. Shen ------------------------------------------------------ M. K. Shen, Postfach 340238, D-80099 Muenchen, Germany +49 (89) 831939 (6:00 GMT) mok-kong.shen at stud.uni-muenchen.de http://www.stud.uni-muenchen.de/~mok-kong.shen/ (last updated: 25th August 98. origin site of WEAK1, WEAK2 and WEAK3.) (containing 2 mathematical problems with rewards totalling US$500) From brownrk1 at texaco.com Thu Aug 27 02:39:03 1998 From: brownrk1 at texaco.com (Brown, R Ken) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Programmer faces grand jury for posting encryption Message-ID: <896C7C3540C3D111AB9F00805FA78CE2013F83C9@MSX11002> Mok-Kong Shen wrote: > It would be interesting to know how the grand jury > determines the 'three' in 'three times stronger'. Obviously the key was 1.5 bits longer :-) Ken From brownrk1 at texaco.com Thu Aug 27 02:52:32 1998 From: brownrk1 at texaco.com (Brown, R Ken) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:52:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Message-ID: <896C7C3540C3D111AB9F00805FA78CE2013F83CA@MSX11002> > Ray Arachelian[SMTP:sunder at brainlink.com] wrote: > > Anonymous wrote: > >> > >> > http://www.itd.nrl.navy.mil/ITD/5540/ieee/cipher/news-items/980713.LIS > TWATCH > >> .html > [...snip...] >Sorry Anon, but that url 404's... Perhaps you could try again? It works if you put the ".html" on the next line in the URL New nifty way to foil the hackers - put line-breaks in your code! They'll never suss it! Actually I didn't notice at first either - I just sropped the last directory name of the URL and looked at the level above - it's been a sort of reflex action of mine on the web for years. Nice to see a navy site allowing us to browse their directories though :-) The "listwatch" is a very short summary of some of the less wibblish threads in cypherpunks, risks et.c - it is about 6 weeks out of date, nothing new there since it was last mentioned here. So I don't know why it was brought up again. Ken From jkthomson at bigfoot.com Thu Aug 27 02:54:57 1998 From: jkthomson at bigfoot.com (jkthomson) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: LACC: Re: Is hate code speech? In-Reply-To: <199808261937.OAA017.62@geiger.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980827025504.006bcd80@dowco.com> At 12:42 PM 8/26/98 -0700, Dan Stromberg wrote: >William H. Geiger III wrote: >> >Sad that I wasted this much time responding. >> >> Why, because I challenge your PC dogma and require to to rationally >> justify it? We have an old saying here "If you are scared son, then say >> you are scared". If you are unable to rationally and objectively justify >> your PC dogma than just say so. > >Smirk. /I'm terrified/ I've said it before, and I'll say it again: > >Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it. oh yes, an EXCELLENT justification of your 'PC beliefs' How exactly does that answer the challenge to defend your point of view? Ad hominem attacks are pretty low, even for list-members, think-ye-not? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- james 'keith' thomson www.bigfoot.com/~ceildh jkthomson:C181 991A 405C EAFB 2C46 79B5 B1DC DB78 8196 122D [06.07.98] ceildh :1D79 59AF ED75 5945 6003 8240 DA34 ACCA 9DE4 6BC9 [05.14.98] ICQ:746241 at pgp.mit.edu ...and former sysop of tnbnog BBS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Jennings Corollary to the Law of Selective Gravity: The chance of the bread falling with the butter side down is directly proportional to the value of the carpet. ======================================================================= From jdean1 at nomvs.lsumc.edu Thu Aug 27 04:46:31 1998 From: jdean1 at nomvs.lsumc.edu (jdean1 at nomvs.lsumc.edu) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 04:46:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: McCarthy return under new clothes In-Reply-To: <199808261941.UAA07691@mail2.ip.pt> Message-ID: <19980827064602846@nomvs.lsumc.edu> Are you sure there was nothing that could be construed as pornographic on your PC? Nothing in the cache? Nothing deleted but not overwritten? Nothing hiding in the unused space as the end of a sector? Have you never accessed a page only to find it contains pornography (or an ad for the same)? From announce at dmail1.real-net.net Thu Aug 27 06:55:18 1998 From: announce at dmail1.real-net.net (RealNetworks News) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Store music CDs in CD-quality RealAudio! Message-ID: <199808271355.GAA18087@dmail4.real-net.net> Dear RealPlayer User, We're excited to tell you about a great software product that converts your audio CDs into CD-quality RealAudio for personal playback on your PC: CD Streamer by SuperPlanet. CD Streamer lets you store music CDs in highly compressed CD-quality RealAudio on your hard drive. It automatically retrieves the album title and song names from the Internet, and allows you to create customized playlists for playback via CD Streamer. Now your entire music library is instantly available on your computer. 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For information about subscribing to or unsubscribing from future announcements, visit http://www.real.com/mailinglist/index.html From caj at math.niu.edu Thu Aug 27 09:54:03 1998 From: caj at math.niu.edu (Xcott Craver) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: McCarthy return under new clothes In-Reply-To: <19980827064602846@nomvs.lsumc.edu> Message-ID: On 27 Aug 1998 jdean1 at nomvs.lsumc.edu wrote: > Are you sure there was nothing that could be construed as pornographic > on your PC? Nothing in the cache? Nothing deleted but not overwritten? > Nothing hiding in the unused space as the end of a sector? Have you > never accessed a page only to find it contains pornography (or an ad for > the same)? Further, as the net becomes more and more integrated with your OS, to the point that FTP/HTTP sites are accessable from your command-line prompt as if they were just really slow drives, will we see some truly clueless customs officials arrest you because they can find the Playboy site *in* your computer? And how about random noise? Random strings could be ciphertext. If I design PRNGs, and have my laptop drive stuffed with huge random files for DIEHARD analysis, would that one day be illegal to carry across a border? From an information-theoretic perspective, we have the asymptotic equipartition property telling us that almost all strings are almost equally extremely suspicious. Will a dartboard w/ the alphabet on it be vanishingly unlikely to generate a message one could legally carry outside the US? -Caj From wklink at yahoo.com Thu Aug 27 10:59:44 1998 From: wklink at yahoo.com (Wilhelm Klink) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is Hate Code Speech? Message-ID: <19980827175716.7401.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com> caj at math.niu.edu said: > Now, something not tangibly damaging, like harassment, is not so > clear cut. But that's why a judge or jury of your peers has to agree > before you're forced to pay damages. You should ask Judge Wright about this one. She threw out Paula Jones' case because Paula hadn't even PRESENTED any damages done to her. She may well have been "harassed" and Bubba may have done exactly what she said, but she was not harmed in any tangible way. -- Yours, Col. Willhelm Klink _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com Thu Aug 27 11:48:11 1998 From: CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 27, 1998 Message-ID: <199808271803.NAA00373@mailstrom.revnet.com> ========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM.� Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. A new multi-billion dollar industry is here! Be at CTIA's WIRELESS I.T. '98 where personal computing and communications converge! Don't Miss Your Chance -- October 12-14, 1998 Bally's Las Vegas, Las Vegas, NV For more information, visit http://www.wirelessit.com� =========================================== -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bin00024.bin Type: application/octet-stream Size: 10487 bytes Desc: "_CTIA_Daily_News_19980827a.htm" URL: From dulac at ip.pt Thu Aug 27 12:05:21 1998 From: dulac at ip.pt (Dutra de Lacerda) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:05:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: McCarthy return under new clothes In-Reply-To: <19980827064602846@nomvs.lsumc.edu> Message-ID: <199808271904.UAA01733@mail2.ip.pt> At Thursday, you wrote: > Are you sure there was nothing that could be construed as pornographic > on your PC? Nothing in the cache? Nothing deleted but not overwritten? > Nothing hiding in the unused space as the end of a sector? Have you > never accessed a page only to find it contains pornography (or an ad for > the same)? I feel the puzzling question will be: Is the information one's carry in one's head much different from the info on a disk?!? It is certainly smaller, but much more powerful. Besides: This question reflects the absurdity of the actual search for 'virtual crimes'... and will these 'virtual crimes' have 'virtual punishments'? To this last question the answer is NO. The schizoid trend is to treat virtuality as real thing. > And how about random noise? Random strings could be ciphertext. > If I design PRNGs, and have my laptop drive stuffed with huge > random files for DIEHARD analysis, would that one day be > illegal to carry across a border? No one knows were social insanity, as this, will lead us. It's starting to have some similarities with the 'Witches Hunt' in the Middle Ages though. The volume of people using technology without its understanding of it implications is greater then ever. Specially in the political population. I subscribe the analysis that human kind is NOT rational but 'guts' orientated. What the result will be in the long term is uncertain. I guess all attempts to drive this kind of new beast will fail in the long run. People needed 2000 years to build a civilization. The last 50 years are destroying all the cultural links to this past. What will happen may, most probably, be the disruption of society as we know it... And all started with the economics becoming the #1 motor of societies instead of subordinated to 'quality of life'. > From an information-theoretic perspective, we have the asymptotic > equipartition property telling us that almost all strings are almost > equally extremely suspicious. Will a dartboard w/ the alphabet on it > be vanishingly unlikely to generate a message one could legally > carry outside the US? Again the Brain/Disk paradox. Perhaps a brain has no political useful information... That would be a change in past events i don't believe. There's a significant pattern in this strange behavior: Absence of sense and contradictory aspects. These are dangerous generators of errors in ones comprehension. So its easy to predict a lot of confusion in the future. Specially to future generations that did not lived past values. Time will tell. DuLac. P.S. - I do not subscribe the notion that 'ideas' drive the world. A reason for this is that we humans make a complex body of iterations and are emotional creatures. Not rational ones. This moves the center of the problem to 'culture', as ones terrain of conduct, and to personality of leaders, as they are the 'usual conduct' main changers. Hitler would, today and again, get himself elected but this time with a greatly modified strategy: He would be kissing children and talking about Peace, the New Words people like to hear. This leads to the question: How many new Hitlers have we elected in the last years? And how to distinguish them from honest citizens? TIP: Honest citizens rarely have the ability to use dirty tricks and get themselves elected. - - - Antonio Manuel Melo de Carvalho Dutra de Lacerda Morada : Rua Rodrigues Cabrilho, 5 - 5 Esq. 1400 Lisboa, PORTUGAL Telefone : +351-(1)-3013579 FAX & BBS : +351-(1)-3021098 From wklink at yahoo.com Thu Aug 27 12:42:08 1998 From: wklink at yahoo.com (Wilhelm Klink) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:42:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hate Code in Unix Message-ID: <19980827192236.4788.rocketmail@send1b.yahoomail.com> Top Ten Offensive Things in Unix 10. Sexist documentation. Command to read a document: "man" 9. unix creates a hostile work environment for eunuchs 8. daemon, clearly nod to Satan himself. 7. Violent commands, like "kill". 6. Pornographic commands, like "head". 5. Suggestive commands, like "tail". 4. Pornographic subroutines: XGraphicsExposeEvent 3. GUI rated not suitable for Children: X 2. More violence: "bash". 1. "man sex" responds with "no manual entry for sex". -- Yours, Col. William Klink _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From stan at net.com Thu Aug 27 14:44:45 1998 From: stan at net.com (Stan Heller) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Crypto law in Taiwan Message-ID: <199808272147.OAA03344@shakespeare.net.com> Hello, I was referred to you by Bert-Jaap Koops regarding some advice on the legality of using PGP in Taiwan. I would be interested if someone knows what the law is and whether there is preferred version of PGP ( the international version I assume) that I should you. Any information you might have in this regard would be appreciated. =stan Stan Heller stan at net.com Senior Systems Administrator Network Equipment Technologies (510) 574-2514 From bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph Thu Aug 27 15:52:33 1998 From: bbt at mudspring.uplb.edu.ph (Bernardo B. Terrado) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:52:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: question... In-Reply-To: <896C7C3540C3D111AB9F00805FA78CE2013F83C9@MSX11002> Message-ID: Could the FBI intervene with the NSA? =============================================================================== It's funny, I have always been a good listener who understood and cared someones secrets, but to my dismay I have never been understood. metaphone at altavista.net From I95 at nym.alias.net Thu Aug 27 17:42:01 1998 From: I95 at nym.alias.net (Interstate 95) Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hate Code in Unix Message-ID: <19980828004151.18389.qmail@nym.alias.net> On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Wilhelm Klink wrote: > > Top Ten Offensive Things in Unix > > 1. "man sex" responds with "no manual entry for sex". SEX(1) EUNUCH Programmer's Manual SEX(1) NAME sex -- have sex SYNOPSIS sex [options] ... [username] ... DESCRIPTION sex allows the invoker to have sex with the user(s) speci- fied in the command line. If no users are specified, they are taken from the LOVERS environment variable. Options to make things more interesting are as follows: -1 masturbate -a external stimulus (aphrodisiac) option -b buggery -B animal bestiality with animal -c chocolate sauce option -C chaining option (cuffs included) (see also -m -s -W) -d file get a date with the features described in file -e exhibitionism (image sent to all machines on the net) -f foreplay option -F nasal sex with plants -i coitus interruptus (messy!) -j jacuzzi option (California sites only) -l leather option -m masochism (see -s) -M triple parallel (Menage a Trois) option -n necrophilia (if target process is not dead, program kills it) -o oral option -O parallel access (orgy) -p debug option (proposition only) 1 -m masochism (see -s) -M triple parallel (Menage a Trois) option -n necrophilia (if target process is not dead, program kills it) -o oral option -O parallel access (orgy) -p debug option (proposition only) 1 SEX(1) EUNUCH Programmer's Manual SEX(1) -P pedophilia (must specify a child process) -q quickie (wham, bam, thank you, ma'am) -s sadism (target must set -m) -S sundae option -v voyeurism (surveys the entire net) -w whipped cream option -W whips (see also -s, -C, and -m) ENVIRONMENT LOVERS is a list of default partners which will be used if none are specified in the command line. 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Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka! ----> http://stuffed.net/98/8/27/ <---- From gomez0 at pacbell.net Fri Aug 28 00:29:22 1998 From: gomez0 at pacbell.net (Wm. Michael Denney) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cafe Gulag Message-ID: <35E655C4.C7C0037F@pacbell.net> Msg for Jim Choate... Contact Larry Joe Dowling at 512-892-3393. from TOTO From jdean1 at nomvs.lsumc.edu Fri Aug 28 04:35:18 1998 From: jdean1 at nomvs.lsumc.edu (jdean1 at nomvs.lsumc.edu) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 04:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: McCarthy return under new clothes In-Reply-To: <199808271904.UAA01733@mail2.ip.pt> Message-ID: <19980828063447361@nomvs.lsumc.edu> > Is the information one's carry in one's head much different > from the info on a disk?!? It is certainly smaller, but much > more powerful. The difference is custom officials don't have a scan tool for your brain (yet). From billp at nmol.com Fri Aug 28 09:45:03 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 09:45:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: dow jones Message-ID: <35E6DD65.2504@nmol.com> Friday 8/28/98 10:07 AM J Orlin Grabbe You may have gotten it TOO RIGHT http://www.aci.net/kalliste/apocalyp.htm Morales and I met. We got a response from a deputy clerk to our attached letter. No form for 54(b) certification and no examples. We have a plan of what to include in our response to http://www.jya.com/chrysler98.htm AND 54(b) certification. We see that we can respond by e-mail. e-mail: vhardy at detroit.bozell.com But we'll use certified snail mail too. Reporter Spohn of the ABQ Trib 1990 Lawrence Spohn, Albuquerque Tribune http://www.aaas.org/AAAS/awards.html http://www.atiin.com/atiin/tribune.htm http://www.abqtrib.com told me he is going to make FOIA requests for the invoices NSA spent or wasted funding public key cryptography chips TOO. Morales and I also discussed our up-coming NSA fee waiver lawsuit. NSA deputy director Barbara McNamara's wrote me a letter dated 19 August 1998. http://www.nsa.gov:8080/mission.html McNamara wrote, The key issue I considered in my review is whether disclosure of the information is likely to contribute to the public understanding of the operations or activities of the government. ... This response may be construed as a denial of your appeal. Accordingly, you are hereby advised to your right to seek judicial review of my decision pursuant to 5 U.S.C. � 552(a)(4) (B) in the United States District Court in the district in which you reside, in which you have your principal place of business, in which the Agency's records are situated (U.S. District Court of Maryland), or in the District of Columbia. We've learned a lot with our current NSA lawsuit. So the NEXT lawsuit should be more devastating for the government. But let's hope we get this UNFORTUNATE matter settled so that we can move on to other projects. I miss the economic articles you post from throughout the world. http://www.aci.net/kalliste/ What�s happening is not your fault. You are merely a message-deliverer. Later bill Tuesday 8/18/98 7:33 AM Certified Return receipt requested Robert M. March, Clerk United States District Court Office of the Clerk POB 2384 US Courthouse Santa Fe, NM 87504-2384 Dear clerk March: Purposes of this letter are to 1 request a copy of a UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO Rule 54(b) certification form if such form exists 2 request an example of a Rule 54(b) certification if such certification is submitted in non-standard form 3 ask for you to provide us with DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO case citations for others required by the Tenth circuit to seek Rule 54(b) certification. We could not find form referenced in 1 in LOCAL CIVIL RULES, UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO or at http://www.nmcourt.fed.us/dcdocs/ specifically http://www.nmcourt.fed.us/dcdocs/files/lcvrules.txt We ask that you respond to this letter by September 1, 1998. Nonresponse must be interpreted as 4 there is no Rule 54(b)form 5 there is no example of a Rule 54(b) non-standard form certification 6 there are no examples of Rule 54(b) certifications in the UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF NEW MEXICO. Sincerely William H. Payne Arthur R. Morales 13015 Calle de Sandias NE 1024 Los Arboles NW Albuquerque, NM 87111 Albuquerque, NM 87107 Friday February 27, 1998 11:18 AM By e-mail and US mail Lieutenant General Kenneth A Minihan, USAF Director, National Security Agency National Security Agency 9800 Savage Road Fort George G. Meade, MD 20755-6000 Dear General Minihan: Purposes of the letter are to 1 request information under the Freedom of Information Act 2 explore settlement possibilities of our current lawsuit. In about 1986 Sandia National Laboratories assigned me the task of design and construction of a Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty seismic data authenticator. In the initial stages of the project, Sandia cryptographer Gustavus Simmons attempted to convince both Sandia management and NSA employees Tom White, Mark Unkenholtz, and Ed Georgio that a form of public key authentication should replace NSA employee Ronald Benincasa's National Seismic Station/Unmaned Seismic Observatory 11-bit data authentication algorithm. My Sandia supervisor John Holovka and project leader H B [Jim] Durham ordered me to write a paper explaining public key cryptography. This paper, RSA ENCRYPTION, along with my SAND report describing my implementation of Benincasa's algorithm and filings in our lawsuit, now appear on Internet at http://www.jya.com/index.htm, click CRYPTOME, then OpEd, then http://www.jya.com/whprsa.htm. Sandia explored the merits of switching from Benincasa's algorithm to a public key-based authentication method suggested by Simmons. For Sandia's evaluation of the merits of public key, electronic tagging, and Bureau of Engraving and Printing projects , I bought for Sandia samples both the Cylink CY1024 and AT&T A & B two chip sets for modulo m arithmetic computations. NSA employee Tom White sent me a copy of the SECRET classified NSA report on IBM's hardware public key chip FIREFLY. I wrote in my tutorial paper RSA hardware computations The slow speed of software RSA computations plus the potential wide use prompted several companies to build chips which compute modular arithmetic to at least several hundred bits. Most of these chips "cascade" to compute with a larger number of bits. Corporations involved in building these chips are 1 IBM Firefly 2 AT&T 3 Motorola (apparently a three chip set) 4 Cylink Pittway-First alert 5 Sandia Labs (Algorithm M and predecessor chip) Details of the IBM chip is classified. AT&T as of July 1987 has not released details of their chip. Little information is available on the Motorola chip set. The Cylink chip is commercially available. Its price dropped from $1,500 to $600 each in June 1987. Data is transferred to and from the chip with serial shift register communication. The early Sandia chip was limited in speed. The replacement chip is cascadeable, communicates with 8 or 16 bits parallel, matches the speed of the Cylink chip, but is not out of fabrication. Rumors circulate that there is about an order of magnitude performance difference between some of these chips. These hardware chips improve exponentiation speed about 3 orders of magnitude over software implementation benchmarked on an Intel 8086 family microcomputer. Whitfield Diffie writes about both the Cylink and Sandia chips. And is quoted at http://www.aci.net/kalliste/nukearse.htm. Sandia had terrible luck with its public key chips. I reported SOME of the troubles to Electronic Engineering Times editor Loring Wirbel [http://techweb.cmp.com/eet/823/] on March 23, 1994. Dr. John Wisniewski was a supervisor at Sandia's Center for Radiation-hardened Microelectronics. Wisniewski was a graduate student at Washington State University in about 1975. I was a professor at WSU. Wisniewski knows all about the failing Sandia chips in the nuclear arsenal. I took notes on February 13, 1993. Wisniewski reviewed the problems again for me. 1 No quality initiative. Each chip lot had a different process. 2 Overall yield - 40-50%. Down to 10% after packaging. 3 Metalization problems. No planarization. No flow of glass. Couldn't use high temperature. Step coverage problems. Layed down over tension. 100% field returns over several years. 4 Sandia would store lots of parts for replacements. Sandia management made the decision to place low yield parts in the nuclear arsenal. Sandia must meet DOD schedules management reasoned. Hundreds of millions spent on CRM. Sandia must show productivity. Wisniewski told me that low yield chip test survivors are those which the tests failed to detect failures. Wisniewski will talk. 503-625- 6408. Wisniewski now works for Intel in Oregon. Have Wisniewski tell you about the fire in the CRM clean room! Sandia supervisor Jerry Allen later told me it cost $300,000 each to remove Sandia's failing chips at Pantex from a nuclear bomb. NSA apparently is biased toward hardware implementations of cryptographic and authentication algorithms. As opposed to software implementation. NSA representatives and Sandia management decided not to use a public key authentication scheme for its CTBT seismic data authenticator because of all of the problems with implementing public key algorithms. But NSA surely has spent MUCH MONEY on public key chip implementations. NSA is promoting its Clipper crypto chips as described at http://cpsr.org/dox/clipper.html. And we get some information about technical specifications of NSA's Clipper chip at http://www.us.net/softwar/http://www.us.net/softwar/clip.html Clipper Chip Information MYK-78 CLIPPER CHIP ENCRYPTION/DECRYPTION ON A CHIP 1 micron double level metal CMOS technology 0.35 watts power 28 pin plastic leaded chip carrier (PLCC) package Transistor to transistor logic (TTL) interface Chip ID, family key and device unique key are installed at programming. Chip ID, family key and device unique key are installed at programming facility and are completely transparent to the user. Therefore, Under the provision of the Freedom of Information Act, 5 USC 552, I am requesting access to: 1 Copies of all invoices from A AT&T B Motorola C IBM D Sandia National Laboratories to NSA for payments for developing ANY public key-related chips between January 1, 1980 and February 27, 1998. 2 Copies of all invoices to NSA from ANY corporation involved in development of ANY Clipper chip-related hardware between January 1, 1980 and February 27, 1998. The public has a right to know how much NSA spent on TRYING monoploize the crypto business. If there are any fees for searching for, or copying, the records I have requested, please inform me before you fill the request. As you know, the Act permits you to reduce or waive the fees when the release of the information is considered as "primarily benefiting the public." I believe that this requests fits that category and I therefore ask that you waive any fees. If all or any part of this request is denied, please cite the specific exemption(s) which you think justifies your refusal to release the information and inform me of your agency's administrative appeal procedures available to me under the law. I would appreciate your handling this request as quickly as possible, and I look forward to hearing from you within 20 working days, as the law stipulates. With respect to our current FOIA lawsuit, I feel that we should settle this unfortunate matter. I see from your biography at http://www.nsa.gov:8080/ and http://www.nsa.gov:8080/dirnsa/dirnsa.html that you are 1979 Distinguished Graduate Master of Arts degree in National Security Affairs Naval Postgraduate School Monterey, California One of my former M.S. and Ph.D students in Computer Science, Ted Lewis, is currently the chairman of Computer Science at Naval Postgraduate School [http://www.friction-free-economy.com/]. Small world. But I think that this emphasizes that WE SHOULD all be on the same side. Not engaged in a conflict in US federal court. Or on Internet. NSA attempts to withhold requested information are possibly unwise. In our wired world the aggrieved know what happened to them. http://www.wpiran.org/,http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/impact/namir/namirm.html And moderates in Iran, http://persia.org/khatami/biography.html, appear want settlement too. My family and I have been damaged by these crypto wars. I ask you that consider fair settlement of damages caused by the National Security Agency. I cannot find your e-mail address on Internet. Therefore I will forward the e-mail copy of this FOIA/settlement letter to Ray Kammer of NIST [http://www.nist.gov/], who along with the FBI [http://www.fbi.gov/, http://www.fbi.gov/fo/nyfo/nytwa.htmand], and NSA are trying to control the crypto business so that Kammer can possibly forward an e-mail copy of the FOIA/Settlement letter to you. Sincerely, bill William Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias Albuquerque, NM 87111 505-292-7037 [I am not reading e-mail] http://www.cylink.com/ http://www.jya.com/tis-p-bckrs.htm Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 13:53:33 -0500 From: nospam at synernet.com (Ed Stone) Subject: Re: Another Network Associates U-Turn on Key Recovery To: jy at jya.com PGP Inc's new owner, Network Associates, has announced it is acquiring Trusted Informations Systems, Inc. On the TIS web site, the following project is detailed, in which Dr. Dorothy Denning was a subcontractor, and in which policy-based crypto key release systems were explored, in collaboration with the NSA, FBI, etc.: Source: http://www.tis.com/research/crypto/crypt_krp_projsum.html Policy-Based Cryptographic Key Release Systems Cryptographic Key Release Language Design and Specification View the quad chart graphic for the Policy-Based Cryptographic Key Release System Project Summary ARPA Order Number: 8685 Contractor: Trusted Information Systems, Inc. 3060 Washington Road Glenwood, Maryland 21738 Phone: (301) 854-6889 FAX: (301) 854-5363 Subcontractors: Dr. Dorothy Denning Dr. Burton Kaliski Dr. Warwick Ford Russel Housley http://www.nsa.gov:8080/ http://www.nsa.gov:8080/dirnsa/dirnsa.html 1979 Distinguished Graduate Master of Arts degree in National Security Affairs Naval Postgraduate School Monterey, California http://www.friction-free-economy.com/ http://www.nist.gov/ CPSR Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility http://cpsr.org/dox/home.html Clipper Clipper Chip Information http://cpsr.org/dox/clipper.html MYK-78 CLIPPER CHIP ENCRYPTION/DECRYPTION ON A CHIP http://www.us.net/softwar/http://www.us.net/softwar/clip.html 1 micron double level metal CMOS technology 0.35 watts power 28 pin plastic leaded chip carrier (PLCC) package Transistor to transistor logic (TTL) interface Chip ID, family key and device unique key are installed at programming. Chip ID, family key and device unique key are installed at programming facility and are completely transparent to the user. Dear General Minihan: Sincerely, William H. Payne 13015 Calle de Sandias NE Albuquerque, NM 87111 Books 1.Bamford, James. The Puzzle Palace: A Report on America's Most Secret Agency. 2.Hafner, Katie and John Markoff. Cyberpunk: Outlaws and Hackers on the Computer Frontier 3.Lapidus, Edith. Eavesdropping on Trial.. 4.Schneier, Bruce. Applied Cryptography 5.Sterling, Bruce. The Hacker Crackdown. General Periodicals 6.Slatalla, Michelle and Joshua Quittner. "Gangwars in Cyberspace. " Wired. 7.Baker, Stewart A. "Don't Worry, Be Happy." Wired. 8.Denning, Dorothy. "The Clipper Chip Will Block Crime." Newsday. 9.Dewitt, Philip Elmer. "Who Should Keep the Keys?" Time. 10.Lewis, Peter. "Now Congress gets to weigh in on Clinton's high-tech plan for wiretapping." New York Times. 11.Markoff, John. "Big Brother and the Computer Age." New York Times. 12.Markoff, John. "Flaw Discovered in Federal Plan for Wiretapping." New York Times. 13.Markoff, John. "Industry Defies U.S. on Data Encryption."New York Times. Specialized Journals 14.--. "Cylink Offers Triple-DES ICs for Civil Service Encryption." Electronic News. 15.Banisar, David and Ken Robinson. "Security and Privacy on the Information Highway." Educom Review. 16.Blackmon, Ric. "Data-Tapping Made Easy" Phrack. 17.Peterson, A. Padgett. "Clipper chip won't clip your wings, it will just protect the unprotected." Infoworld. 18.*Steal, Agent. "Tapping Telephone Lines Voice or Data for Phun, Money, and Passwords." Phrack. * Pseudonym Government Documents 19.Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts. Wiretap Report. 20.Department of Justice. "Attorney General Makes Key Escrow Encryption Announcements." 21.House Subcommitte on Technology, Environment and Aviation. "Communications and Computer Surveillance, Privacy, and Security." 22.House Subcommitte on Telecommunications and Commerce. "Telecommunications Network Security." 23.Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968. 24.U.S. Bureau of the Census. "Statistical Abstract of the United States: 1993". 25.White House Press Secretary. "Clipper Press Release." Institutional Sources 26.Association for Computing Machinery, U.S. Public Policy Committee. "Computer Policy Committee Calls for Complete Withdrawl of Clipper." 27.Computer and Business Equipment Manufacturers Association. "CBEMA Recommendations on Encryption Policy." 28.Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility. "Clipper Fact Sheet." 29.Hanson, Robin. "Can Wiretaps Remain Cost-Effective?"Communications of the ACM 30.Hoffman, Lance, et al. "Cryptography Policy." Communications of the ACM. 31.Hoffman, Lance. "Clipping Clipper." Communications of the ACM. 32.Landau, Susan, et al. "Crypto Policy Perspecitves." Communications of the Association for Computing Machinery. 33.Privacy Rights Clearinghouse. 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Thanks, Zola (ezola at lfcity.com) Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:36:17 -0700 From: The Electronic Zola Save Address Block Sender To: hey guys, I ONLY SEND THEM! For a good reason. Once Morales and I get settlement we will read e-mail! AND LIKELY START A WEB SITE! Subject: Re: still interested? >Yes, we are still interested. You sent us a review before, and >I sent you some suggestions for making it a little more reader >accessible, and never heard back from you. > >Cheers, > >Zola Zola I AM NO LONGER real interested. I will write you an article Black and white test of cryptographic algorithms bill 505 292 7037 I didn't receive >I sent you some suggestions for making it a little more reader >accessible, and never heard back from you. > We ALL, of course, live in the REAL WORLD. Have a good weekend EVERYONE. Allahu akbar, too. 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And most in hi-res jpeg quality! + PAGE 2 �SPREAD� - YOU *HAVE* TO SEE THIS! + FROLICKING WITH FRUIT - YIKES, VEGGIES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME + LEANING TOWER OF PENIS - A STORY FROM A DIFFERENT MOLD + PHALLIC PRIEST - THE CHURCH OF SEX + THUMBNAIL HEAVEN - THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL BE! + SEXY STORY: �AT THE MOVIES� - HOT AND VERY SEXY + WOMEN ARE EASY: 19 - PENULTIMATE PART, READ IT! + SIBERIAN SLUTS - JUST WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? + BEST OF EUREKA!: THE HOTTEST WEB SITES FROM EUREKA! + SEXY SURPRISE THUMBS - A SURPRISE EVERY CLICK + PICTURE PERFECT PUSSY - WHAT DOES A GIRL'S PUSSY REVEAL? + ULTRA HI-RES POSTER - SAVE IT, PRINT IT, KEEP IT! ----> http://stuffed.net/98/8/30/ <---- Welcome to today's issue of Stuffed. To read it you should click on the URL above. If it is not made clickable by your email program you will need to use your mouse to highlight the URL, copy it and then paste it into your browser (then press Return). This email is never sent unsolicited. Stuffed is the supplement for the Eureka newsletter you subscribed to. Full instructions on unsubscribing are in every issue of Eureka! ----> http://stuffed.net/98/8/30/ <---- From sboyd at scsn.net Sun Aug 30 06:06:57 1998 From: sboyd at scsn.net (sboyd) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 06:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: News for class Message-ID: <19980830125833354.AAA195@pccorner> Please inform me how I can get the news each day by e-mail at flashboyd at aol.com. This information will be used in my comm class. From interception at ii-mel.com Sun Aug 30 06:20:16 1998 From: interception at ii-mel.com (interception) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 06:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No Subject Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980830132037.0067f838@mail.ii-mel.com> http://jya.com/cell-track.htm http://jya.com/gsm-scandal.htm http://jya.com/gsm-snoop.htm From geeman at best.com Sun Aug 30 12:55:15 1998 From: geeman at best.com (geeman at best.com) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: News for class Message-ID: <3.0.32.19691231160000.034ab6b8@shell15.ba.best.com> For "the news" just sign up for abcnews.com or msnbc. For truth and information you'll have to go search. At 08:58 AM 8/30/98 -0400, sboyd wrote: > >Please inform me how I can get the news each day by e-mail at >flashboyd at aol.com. This information will be used in my comm class. > > > From nobody at sind.hyperreal.art.pl Sun Aug 30 14:22:24 1998 From: nobody at sind.hyperreal.art.pl (HyperReal-Anon) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:22:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: News for class Message-ID: On Sun, 30 Aug 1998, sboyd wrote: > > Please inform me how I can get the news each day by e-mail at > flashboyd at aol.com. This information will be used in my comm class. > > It's really easy, but requires some work with hardware. First, you open your computer. Then you get a large sledgehammer and bash the inside of the computer thrice. WARNING: If you do it less than three times this may not work! Then, you get five liters of rubbing alcohol and pour it into the machine, wait about a minute, then stick your head about an inch from it and drop a match. Congratulations! You're in the news! From marcmf at 2xtreme.net Sun Aug 30 15:55:11 1998 From: marcmf at 2xtreme.net (Marc Maffei) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 15:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: News for class Message-ID: <013a01bdd466$8a8708a0$943593d0@marcmaff> no.... I don't think that is what is being asked here, read the message again and you will see that he is asking for getting news not being news (even though I would love it if aolers would become news in the worst way), so I suggest that instead he should do this: 1.) go to his mailbox or PO box 2.) open up his computer 3.) carefully insert mail in any possible cavity (in computer stones for brain) 4.) and now proceed with prior suggestion or 5.) ensure computer is plugged in (wall socket, you know... socket connected to power grid, grid connected to generator... etc) 6.) pour water or other suitably conductive liquid on whole mess 7.) repeat all steps as often as necessary for enlightenment to be achieved This might not get the poster closer to knowledge as far as news is concerned but it should definitely provide us with a chuckle or two. -----Original Message----- From: HyperReal-Anon To: cypherpunks at toad.com Date: Sunday, August 30, 1998 3:42 PM Subject: Re: News for class >On Sun, 30 Aug 1998, sboyd wrote: > >> >> Please inform me how I can get the news each day by e-mail at >> flashboyd at aol.com. This information will be used in my comm class. >> >> > >It's really easy, but requires some work with hardware. First, you open >your computer. Then you get a large sledgehammer and bash the inside of >the computer thrice. WARNING: If you do it less than three times this may >not work! Then, you get five liters of rubbing alcohol and pour it into >the machine, wait about a minute, then stick your head about an inch from >it and drop a match. > >Congratulations! You're in the news! > > From billp at nmol.com Sun Aug 30 18:28:50 1998 From: billp at nmol.com (bill payne) Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 18:28:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Moving ahead Message-ID: <35E9FB20.177B@nmol.com> Sunday 8/30/98 6:58 PM NYA and John Young I bought three books for you guys at B Dalton at the Cottonwood mall in Rio Rancho last night. One is titled LOS ALAMOS and the development of the ATOMIC BOMB by Robert W. Seidel The book covers von Nuemann, Feynman, Ulam, and Metropolis. These guys pioneered use of Monte Carlo techniques in nuclear bomb design. My former MS and Ph.D. student Ted Lewis http://www.friction-free-economy.com told me some years ago that the GFSR http://www-hto.usc.edu/software/seqaln/doc/html/gfsr.3.html is used the nuclear bomb simulations. We were into Monte Carlo work in the '70s http://www.mhpcc.edu/general/john.html But in the '80s I WAS FORCED into the business of electronic locks, data authentication and fuzing weapons. http://www.apcatalog.com/cgi-bin/AP?ISBN=0125475705&LOCATION=US&FORM=FORM2 http://jya.com/f86/whpf86.htm And KNEW ABOUT http://www.aci.net/kalliste/speccoll.htm http://caq.com/cryptogate http://jya.com/whpfiles.htm http://www.qainfo.se/~lb/crypto_ag.htm Let�s ALL hope for settlement. So that we CAN ALL move on to better projects. 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Franco, II) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Is Hate Code Speech? Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980901132117.006bcad0@apf2.com> >From: mcw at atreus.ncs.ncsc.mil >Subject: Is Hate Code Speech? > >I acknowledge that you're welcome to use whatever variable names you >want in code you write in private. BUt if you want to sell that code, it >should be held to a standard of professionalism. > I think it is interesting that people are speaking of the program as something published for public consumption. Source code for commercial products rarely goes public and compilers do a rather nice job of obscuring human language variable names. Thus if there is any message or coherent agenda in the source code it is highly unlikely that it will be detectable in the executable, which is in fact the product delivered to the public. Since the source code can only be read by insiders/employees then this does tend to make it rather obvious that a form of speech was intended. I won't rehash the fact that non-relevant, human-language-significant variable names (as opposed to x, y, i, & j) are generally unacceptable programming practice. I would make two points; that in todays programming world source code is protected by copyright law as are other forms of expression legally considered speech and source code is intended to document the process and as such communicate ideas--in a broad sense this is a decent description of speech, a written mode of communicating ideas. If someone finds offensive (hate) material in an obscured text (encrypted) intended for limited distribution, does the encryption make it less hateful? does the encryption make it any less a form of speech? does the fact that distribution is limited (assumming the "target" is in the distribution class) make it any less offensive? Is a crime less illegal if it is hidden? (Be careful, on this one...) I think that offensive, probably hateful, speech was intended. So the next step (or for others, a previous step) is to decide whether there are legal grounds for action. There are several laws which do, in fact, make these activities illegal. Most people in the US today agree that overt racism is wrong. Additionally, most "Americans" agree with laws that make it illegal to use/perform "hateful" speech. These are very dangerous laws since they try to tread a very thin line between the freedom of thoughts (and to some degree, actions) and injury to others. When I first settled down to live in Spain and began to pay real attention to the local political scene I was astonished to find people defending the "right" of the radicals to throw stones and metal objects at those persons expressing ideas contrary to theirs (pro-peace, anti-terrorism demonstrations, 1995-6). Fortunately, we hear less and less of this non-sense that physical harm to another is a valid form of personal expression or speech. But the base problem lingers, where do we draw the line of expression of ideas and intent to do harm. It has long been held that shouting "fire" in a crowded building is not a protected form of speech. Nor is libel (forgetting for now the problems of defining or proving it). And where do we draw the line (or does it even matter?) between public and private? And where do expression and action get separated? Thinking about doing something, or telling some one about those thoughts are not generally the same as actually doing it. But where does thought become expression become action? This case doesn't solely revolve around the speech issue...IMO, it also revolves around the public/private issue, and whether or not the government can rightfully "enter" a "private" business place to regulate these matters. Recent history (80 years or so...) shows an increasing tendency for the government to "protect" workers by regulating the workplace. There are health & safety regs, minimum wage regs, etc. The "American" populace has in general supported (and at times demanded) these external limits on the "private" employer/employee relationship. Legal precedent exists. There are two problems here and historically the government has been called upon to keep a balance between "free speech" and "harmful speech" on the one hand and "Privacy" and "Protection" on the other hand. The debate now is with this case which way will (should?) the pendulum swing? More protection (reduction of privacy), more freedom (or hateful speech)... Personally, I hope no one wins this eternal debate 100% since the results would be disastrous. Just some thoughts... Albert P. Franco, II encryption at apf2.com From nobody at replay.com Mon Aug 31 09:41:48 1998 From: nobody at replay.com (Anonymous) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:41:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No Subject Message-ID: <199808311641.SAA29684@replay.com> We don't take kindly to racial slurs here. You'll probably be receiving hundreds of email bombs over the next few days from angry cypherpunks. You may want to change email accounts. God bless! At 08:19 PM 8/29/98 -0400, RyanFord at aol.com wrote: > hola and good tidings > send some info on spooks please > i will be grateful > From CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com Mon Aug 31 10:46:16 1998 From: CTIA_Daily_News at um2.unitymail.com (CTIA Daily News) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM - August 31, 1998 Message-ID: <199808311737.MAA29806@mailstrom.revnet.com> ========================================== Welcome to today's edition of the CTIA Daily News from WOW-COM.� Please click on the icon / attachment for the most important news in wireless communications today. A new multi-billion dollar industry is here! Be at CTIA's WIRELESS I.T. '98 where personal computing and communications converge! 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Name: bin00026.bin Type: application/octet-stream Size: 11143 bytes Desc: "_CTIA_Daily_News_19980831a.htm" URL: From CLBM at chevron.com Mon Aug 31 10:55:57 1998 From: CLBM at chevron.com (Clark, Beau (CLBM)) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 10:55:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: No Subject Message-ID: <3B286631A9CFD1118D0700805F6F9F5A2C16E5@hou281-msx1.chevron.com> Remove From mmotyka at lsil.com Mon Aug 31 11:12:22 1998 From: mmotyka at lsil.com (Michael Motyka) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: hola and good tidings In-Reply-To: <199808311641.SAA29684@replay.com> Message-ID: <35EAE807.71D5@lsil.com> > hola and good tidings > send some info on spooks please > i will be grateful > I would suggest budgeting about $10k for some GOOD night vision equipment, then find a good thick hedge and set up a suburban watch post. Focus on evenings. You will find some activity on Oct 30 though activity will peak on Oct 31. However, I would steer clear of the targets because if you approach them, even if only for the purposes of inquiry, their parents may loose the rottweilers or shoot you between the eyes and no Second Chance vest will help you in either case. BTW what areas will you be surveilling? Egads, M From rsholl at hotmail.com Mon Aug 31 11:33:12 1998 From: rsholl at hotmail.com (Richard) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ATTN: ADULT WEBMASTERS ONLY! Message-ID: <199808311833.OAA00436@gti.gti.net> Attention Adult Webmasters--add FRESH content to your site! Richard S. Hollander, former Managing Editor of HIGH SOCIETY Magazine , former Editor-in-Chief of HAWK Magazine, and current contributor to both HUSTLER EROTIC VIDEO GUIDE and GALLERY Magazine, is now offering QUALITY adult erotic fiction PLUS a bonus CD-ROM review to adult Webmasters. He's a a proven author who is read by more than *1 MILLION* people a month! This is the most inexpensive and effective way to add fresh content to your site. Each month, you'll receive TWO erotic stories PLUS a bonus adult CD-ROM review. ***Having erotic fiction on your site means having more KEYWORDS for SEARCH ENGINES! Why type-in the word "sex" 100 times on your page, when you can have search engines "see" an entire STORY?! Use erotic fiction to your SEARCH ENGINE ADVANTAGE!*** Want to "upsell" a video stream or live cybersex? What better way to get users ready (and horny) than with hot n' juicy erotic fiction? Quality, reliability, and satisfaction--for just $39.95 a month. Go to http://www.rshollander.com/webmaster NOW for your FREE SAMPLES From ILovToHack at aol.com Mon Aug 31 13:17:58 1998 From: ILovToHack at aol.com (ILovToHack at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Message-ID: <67d557e1.35eb0495@aol.com> Ibelive by spooks he ment goverment agents not a racial slur so lay off. From mccarty at reg16.admin.rochester.edu Mon Aug 31 13:43:29 1998 From: mccarty at reg16.admin.rochester.edu (R. Paul McCarty) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: your mail In-Reply-To: <199808311641.SAA29684@replay.com> Message-ID: I think you're a little wet behind the ears dear. In the context of this group, "spook" has nothing to do with derogatory racial slurs. Pick up a hackers dictionary and get with it. Cheers. -Paul R. Paul McCarty / DARS Coordinator / rpmc at troi.cc.rochester.edu / x52059 317 Lattimore Hall, University of Rochester, Rochester, NY 14627 Computers don't make errors; what they do, they do on purpose.-Dale/KOTH On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, Anonymous wrote: > We don't take kindly to racial slurs here. You'll probably be receiving > hundreds of email bombs over the next few days from angry > cypherpunks. You may want to change email accounts. > > God bless! > > > At 08:19 PM 8/29/98 -0400, RyanFord at aol.com wrote: > > hola and good tidings > > send some info on spooks please > > i will be grateful > > > From jkthomson at bigfoot.com Mon Aug 31 14:41:53 1998 From: jkthomson at bigfoot.com (jkthomson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 14:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: In-Reply-To: <67d557e1.35eb0495@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980831144238.006f80d0@dowco.com> At 04:16 PM 8/31/98 EDT, ILovToHack at aol.com wrote: >Ibelive by spooks he ment goverment agents not a racial slur so lay off. trust me, it's ok, he was using '32-bit AOL' to post his message, so EVERYONE but you realized that he was talking about garbage anyway. maybe AOL64 will have a clue(tm) built in. an appeal to listmembers: listmembers, can't we make this list 'request for access'? iLoV2HaCk and his AOL ilk are getting a little too 'elite' and 'k-rad' for me. pipebombs, posters, spooks, music, what the hell is happening to this list? I know that I mainly lurk, but don't you think that having to request to join this list may filter out the worst of the AOL (et al) newbies? they obviously cannot get a clue(tm) and continue to cause a landslide of off-topic (albeit funny) posts that ridicule them, and keep this list awash in non-cypherpunkish dialogue. oh, and I am also sorry for perpetuating this thread. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- james 'keith' thomson www.bigfoot.com/~ceildh jkthomson:C181 991A 405C EAFB 2C46 79B5 B1DC DB78 8196 122D [06.07.98] ceildh :1D79 59AF ED75 5945 6003 8240 DA34 ACCA 9DE4 6BC9 [05.14.98] ICQ:746241 at pgp.mit.edu ...and former sysop of tnbnog BBS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The people to worry about are not those who openly disagree with you, but those who disagree with you who are too cowardly to let you know. ======================================================================= From FTPPork at aol.com Mon Aug 31 15:23:36 1998 From: FTPPork at aol.com (FTPPork at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DES Ecryption Message-ID: <5bdef0da.35eb223f@aol.com> Hey, could anyone tell me what process DES Encryption goes through, or point me to a site with the information? 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Follow instructions from: http://www.gwb.com.au/onenation/forum.html >From Thursday evening (3rd September): One Nation Tax Policy: http://www.gwb.com.au/tax.htm Please feel free to print out policies and press releases freely and encourage your friends to find out what One Nation really stands for by copying and distributing this email. Every vote will help. GWB Scott Balson Pauline Hanson's Web Master From jf_avon at citenet.net Mon Aug 31 19:16:38 1998 From: jf_avon at citenet.net (Jean-Francois Avon) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Please help! Snakeoil offers on the Canadian Firearms Digest mailing list... Message-ID: <199809010219.WAA26139@cti06.citenet.net> Please Reply To: cdn-firearms-digest at broadway.sfn.saskatoon.sk.ca As of today, I'm off the list. It must be the Fickle Finger of Fate that made that post appear on the CFD today! It looks like snake oil, it taste like snakeoil, is smell like snakeoil; Is *it* snakeoil? ======= forwarded by JFA, from Canadian Firearms Digest ========== Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:30:34 -0600 From: Lee Scroggins Subject: New/easy to use strong file encryption fyi For anyone interested in easy to use strong file encryption, or just afraid that your gun related data/Emails may be too tempting for the officials, the following article points to an interesting site (http://www.filesafety.com). Please note that the US govt seems to be having a hissy fit about it (you might want to look while it still exists). > > - - The Strange Case of Charles Booher - - > > The California man whose software drew the interest of the Commerce Department > now has been hit with a subpoena. Charles Booher must appear before a U.S. > District Court grand jury in San Jose to explain what he is doing with his > encryption software, SecureOffice. > > Individuals can be charged with violating federal restrictions on the export > of encryption software, but the government also appears to be worried that > Booher has simply made it to easy to use extremely secure encryption--with or > without export. Booher's software scrambles data with long 168-bit keys. > > The subpoena Booher received also ordered him to bring to the courthouse the > source code for his product, suggesting the government wants to reverse > engineer it. > Booher intends to patent his source code and says he does not plan to hand it > over to anyone. > > http://foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/scitech/wires2/0827/t_rt_0827_27.sm l > View the Commerce Dept.'s subpoena at http://www.filesafety.com ========= end of forwarded text========== Jean-Francois Avon, B.Sc. Physics, Montreal, Canada DePompadour, Soci�t� d'Importation Lt�e Limoges fine porcelain and french crystal JFA Technologies, R&D physicists & engineers Instrumentation & control, LabView programming PGP keys: http://bs.mit.edu:8001/pks-toplev.html PGP ID:C58ADD0D:529645E8205A8A5E F87CC86FAEFEF891 PGP ID:5B51964D:152ACCBCD4A481B0 254011193237822C From jf_avon at citenet.net Mon Aug 31 19:43:27 1998 From: jf_avon at citenet.net (Jean-Francois Avon) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 19:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BEWARE of SnakeOil (tm) Message-ID: <199809010246.WAA26608@cti06.citenet.net> SNAKEOIL ALERT: Cc: Cypherpunks at toad.com On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:37:35 -0600, Cdn-Firearms Digest wrote: >Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:30:34 -0600 >From: Lee Scroggins >Subject: New/easy to use strong file encryption fyi > >For anyone interested in easy to use strong file encryption, or just >afraid that your gun related data/Emails may be too tempting for the >officials, the following article points to an interesting site >(http://www.filesafety.com). Maybe his product is valid, but, after having read the the Cypherpunks mailing list for years, here are my conclusions: - beware of any product that has not been *extensively* peer-reviewed, with *all* the source code made public. Security breaches are *very* easy to overlook and no software should *ever* be used unless it was peer-reviewed. - the fact that a software uses a specific encryption technique that is described in well known books and that this technique is usually recognized as secure by the cryptanalysis community doesn't mean that the *specific* software implementation of it is truly secure. Thus, the need not only to peer-review the specific encryption technique but *also* and *especially* the precise coding implementation. [from their web page] "CryptView will allow you to validate algorithms and examine the internals of SecureOffice files. You can see the inside of the cryptography box. CryptView allows you to examine file formats and come to your own conclusions about the Security of SecureOffice. " - the fact an encrypted output doesn't look comprehensible to *you* or to a software engineer doesn't mean that a cryptanalyst cannot crack it within minutes... It is a *very* complicated science indeed. If you are not a PhD in cryptanalysis with years of experience in software security, you can't know. One of the NSA top cryptanalyst once said that before you spent at least fifteen years of your life cracking codes, you have no idea of how to devise a truly secure one. > Please note that the US govt seems to be having a hissy fit about it > (you might want to look while it still exists). They try pursue anybody who violates ITAR in a public way. If I were to walk with a PGP diskette across the border outside Cana-USA, I would be liable under ITAR even if I never wrote a line of software in my life. > Individuals can be charged with violating federal restrictions on the > export of encryption software, but the government also appears to be > worried that Booher has simply made it to easy to use extremely secure > encryption--with or without export. Yes, in USA, and it applies to Canada too, encryption software is considered the same as missiles for export purposes (category: ammunition). It is regulated by ITAR, just like guns. But this text borders on being glib. PGP caused a lot of trouble to his author too, but PGP has been *very extensively* peer reviewed. At least, AFAIK, V2.6.2. The newer version of PGP uses *several* encryption techniques, among which you have to choose. > The subpoena Booher received also ordered him to bring to the courthouse the > source code for his product, suggesting the government wants to reverse > engineer it. Absolute BS! The security is afforded by the specific cryptography mathematics that are themselves *extensively* well known, peer reviewed and, in the case of 3DES (DES), *invented* in government labs! The other technique, RSA, is used in PGP and the patent will expire in a few years. > Booher intends to patent his source code and says he does not plan to > hand it over to anyone. Un-peer-reviewed code has an excedingly high probability of being snakeoil, especially if it is marketed before being reviewed... A false feeling of security is much more dangerous than no security at all. All the govts have vested interest in disseminating pseudo-strong cryptography. This statement is not paranoia, it is recent and regularly recurring history. I find the information in the web page way too incomplete and, to the limit, misleading. Personnally, I prefer to stick to PGP. Version 5.x is *easy* to use. I do get tired of seeing posts like that around... One of theses days, I will write a FAQ on encryption for the layman... If ever I find that this software is appropriate, I will say so on the CFD. I do not own any interests, direct or indirect, in PGP. Ciao jfa Security is not afforded by a few tools, it is a state of mind. From jkthomson at bigfoot.com Mon Aug 31 20:18:31 1998 From: jkthomson at bigfoot.com (jkthomson) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: In-Reply-To: <3a06d336.35eb1f5d@aol.com> Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980831201915.006fc410@dowco.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 ok, sorry to have to drag the list into this AGAIN, but this AOL'er is much too funny for his own good. Imagine, he is entertaining me (perhaps the list?) for free! >At 04:16 PM 8/31/98 EDT, ILovToHack at aol.com wrote: >>Ibelive by spooks he ment goverment agents not a racial slur so lay off. >trust me, it's ok, he was using '32-bit AOL' to post his message, so EVERYONE >but you realized that he was talking about garbage anyway. maybe AOL64 will >have a clue(tm) built in. >an appeal to listmembers: >listmembers, can't we make this list 'request for access'? iLoV2HaCk and his >AOL ilk are getting a little too 'elite' and 'k- rad' for me. pipebombs, >posters, spooks, music, what the hell is happening to this list? I know that >I mainly lurk, but don't you think that having to request to join this list >may filter out the worst of the AOL (et al) newbies? they obviously cannot >get a clue(tm) and continue to cause a landslide of off-topic (albeit funny) >posts that ridicule them, and keep this list awash in non- cypherpunkish >dialogue. >oh, and I am also sorry for perpetuating this thread. ...and I got some AOL mail back from him! wooho! At 06:10 PM 8/31/98 EDT, you wrote: >You post a message like that again and you will be sued for libel my screen >name is just a nic and by the way if you think i am jokeing about the law suit >try me > > > > dude... please. take your best shot. I'm bored of you already and I want to see if you are actually as clueless as you appear to be. do it. c'mon! I'll even SIGN this message, Mike! oh yes, and apologies go out to the list, _again_. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBNetnsrHc23iBlhItEQKiuwCbBS2gFXzDt4ZcpGsGsPimICJGeh4AnRyY KWL0x6FZaT+mOxFhC3Jr1Zgu =URJ7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- james 'keith' thomson www.bigfoot.com/~ceildh jkthomson:C181 991A 405C EAFB 2C46 79B5 B1DC DB78 8196 122D [06.07.98] ceildh :1D79 59AF ED75 5945 6003 8240 DA34 ACCA 9DE4 6BC9 [05.14.98] ICQ:746241 at pgp.mit.edu ...and former sysop of tnbnog BBS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The people to worry about are not those who openly disagree with you, but those who disagree with you who are too cowardly to let you know. ======================================================================= From freemem at yahoo.com Mon Aug 31 20:30:43 1998 From: freemem at yahoo.com (freemem at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Free Membership!!!!!!!! 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Ill be over a little later with some Brewskies see ya ************************************************************************ If You Would Like To Be Removed From Our Future Mailings, Please Reply With The Subject Remove, Or Manually Send To freemem at coolmail.to And Your Email Will Be Entered In The Global Remove Filter. ************************************************************************ From sbryan at vendorsystems.com Mon Aug 31 20:36:06 1998 From: sbryan at vendorsystems.com (Steve Bryan) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:36:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: DES Ecryption In-Reply-To: <5bdef0da.35eb223f@aol.com> Message-ID: >Hey, could anyone tell me what process DES Encryption goes through, or point >me to a site with the information? > >Thanx >-Buzz- >P.S. Please no flames because I am on AOL... This may not be the absolute best place to start but it is certainly current: This describes the efforts made to show why a 56 bit key for DES is just too short for many purposes. You can probably branch out from links you find there to get more details about S-boxes and other topics. Steve Bryan email: sbryan at vendorsystems.com icq: 5263678 pgp: D758 183C 8B79 B28E 6D4C 2653 E476 82E6 DA7C 9AC5 From ihate_ms at hotmail.com Mon Aug 31 20:51:51 1998 From: ihate_ms at hotmail.com (Destroy micro$oft) Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 20:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: BEWARE of SnakeOil (tm) Message-ID: <19980901035117.17954.qmail@hotmail.com> On Mon, Aug 31, 1998 at 10:43:23PM -0400, Jean-Francois Avon wrote: | | - beware of any product that has not been *extensively* peer-reviewed, with *all* the | source code made public. Security breaches are *very* easy to overlook and no software | should *ever* be used unless it was peer-reviewed. The source code for his Linux implementation is available at http://www.filesafety.com/CRYPT.EXE - which is actually a tar+gzipped file. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com