[CCGT] Checking the pulse of the Community Council

[Geoffrey Fox]

These are all good points
I assume that one can get good synergies between different communities as
well as between community and standards
One of course would not exclude standards -- maybe OGSA could
hold a F2F juxtaposed or coincident to community meeting?
I would assume you would organize as for GGF15 community
Advertise for "activities" on GGF web site and leaders
fill in their forms for tutorials./workshops etc.

Craig Lee wrote:

>
> I think a US meeting between Boston 05 and 06 is needed
> so this would be a good opportunity to try a community-only meeting.
>
> Since the implicit benefit of community being co-located with
> standards is getting the practitioners, developers and standards 
> producers
> all in the same building and hopefully talking, we must ask ourselves
> what benefit could we expect from a community-only meeting?
> What benefit would prospective attendees expect?
>
> While we could offer a peer-reviewed proceedings of some sort,
> what we really want to do is _promote adoption_.  This would
> mean identifying stumbling blocks, starting with those for particular
> app domains and then finding the common ones, and building
> a road map for adoption.  We need an understanding of the
> situation and a plan for moving forward.
>
> Of course, such road map plans have to be tempered against
> the need to do something now.  (Remember the discussion
> last week about interoperability w/ Catlett and Blatecky!)
>
> Another thing that struck me on the GFSG telecon this week
> was the notion of GGF delegates talking to a major commercial
> concern in private to promote adoption and avoid any distractions
> from industry speculation on the direction of major commercial
> concern.  It would seem that GGF should be doing more of this.
> No only for getting technical agreement on standards, but also
> for understanding the stumbling blocks for commercial adoption.
> Many commercial concerns do not want to publically talk about
> their IT strategies since this may be their competitive edge.
> It is hard to build community under these circumstances.
>
> --Craig
>
>
> At 06:47 PM 9/8/2005, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
>
>> Here is a humourless reply so it can be ignored .....
>>
>> As well as add-ons as you describe, I was thinking of idea of
>> "GGF Community only meetings" organized to support a few
>> communities
>> e.g. a 2 day Midwest regional GGF community meeting
>> in spring or summer (at a random place like Bloomington IN)
>> where Midwest designation meant organizing committee
>> came from Midwest. It would be aimed to support national
>> communities and provide a US meeting between Boston 2005
>> and Boston 2006
>>
>> Craig Lee wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> g) lack of humor in original email lulled me into complacency
>>>
>>> My interpretation is that in addition to what we are doing now,
>>> e.g., community tracks at GGF meeting, we also need to do
>>> the dual, e.g., promote and support relatively small activities
>>> at the meetings of other communities.  That is to say, rather
>>> than inviting a few people from other groups to talk at GGF meeting,
>>> we try to get ourselves invited to talk at the other group's meetings.
>>> Presumably this would be lower overhead for the other group
>>> and possibly GGF would get larger exposure to the other group.
>>>
>>> This is essentially a more distributed operation with the
>>> number of meetings limited only by resources (time, staffing
>>> and money to attend other group meetings).  Making the
>>> connections to get invited and then having effective presentations
>>> that speak to a particular community are essential.  Follow-up
>>> would also be very necessary.  I think this is all quite consistent
>>> with your Council Thoughts but certainly should be thought
>>> through some more.
>>>
>>> --Craig
>>>
>>> At 02:58 PM 9/8/2005, Gregory Newby wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 04:02:49PM -0500, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
>>>> > I sent the enclosed notes on a possible organization of community 
>>>> council
>>>> > But I got no response. I wonder if that meant
>>>> > a) Things are chugging along and organization is not important
>>>> > b) You were so amazed by brilliance of plan that you can't put 
>>>> words to
>>>> > email
>>>> > c) The plan seemed same as before
>>>> > d) You were so amazed by stupidity of plan that you can't put 
>>>> words to email
>>>> > e) You are too busy right now
>>>> > f) ggf emails are on your SPAM filter list
>>>> >
>>>> > -----------------------------------
>>>> > I welcome comments on these thoughts and suggested reorganization 
>>>> whose
>>>> > main ideas are:
>>>> > A Community Plan designed to support communities rather than  just
>>>> > exploiting GGF events
>>>> > Splitting of council roles into an advisory board and area 
>>>> directors as
>>>> > expediters
>>>>
>>>> I think your ideas are right-on, Geoffrey.  Highlights for me:
>>>>
>>>> - success @ GGF14
>>>> - need more & smaller events
>>>> - lack of GGF credibility/presence at some ongoing projects
>>>>   is a problem
>>>> - high overhead for GFSG participation for likely community
>>>>   leaders is a problem
>>>>
>>>> >From my point of view, I'd say that the Community Council is
>>>> already empowered to take most (nearly all) of the steps
>>>> you mentioned.  Some sort of 18-month calendar of possible
>>>> activities, and expected changes in the status quo, would
>>>> be good to present to the GFSG, perhaps at the upcoming f2f
>>>> at GGF15.
>>>>
>>>> One thing that is not so clear to me: how has recruiting
>>>> gone for bringing in more people with ideas for community
>>>> events, making community ties, and the like?  It seems the
>>>> NOMCOM made some progress, but your PPT points out that there
>>>> needs to be a lot of activity that won't originate in
>>>> the GFSG (or community advisory council).
>>>>   -- Greg
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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