From mpa at nesc.ac.uk  Sun May  1 09:46:18 2005
From: mpa at nesc.ac.uk (Malcolm Atkinson)
Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 15:46:18 +0100
Subject: [CCGT] RE: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - April 5 Meeting
Message-ID: <5D8E46F5AA2D8A428667B8787DEF216CD832B5@hendrix.ad.nesc.ac.uk>

Charlie,

That was my understanding from the call and subsequent events call.
i.e. it is approved in my view.

Malcolm
 

 >-----Original Message-----
 >From: Satoshi Matsuoka [mailto:matsu at is.titech.ac.jp] 
 >Sent: 29 April 2005 21:54
 >To: Charlie Catlett
 >Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson; ccgt at ggf.org
 >Subject: Re: [CCGT] RE: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda 
 >items - April 5 Meeting
 >
 >Charlie,
 >
 >I think it was approved. If we are operating under an older model then
 >it is either Dennis's or my duty to inform you. But since we are
 >operating in an interum model where the scheduling decisions are being
 >made by the organizers (Jule) and the decision is collective 
 >amongst the
 >community council, where we seem to have unanimous agreement, 
 >I judge it
 >is safe to assume that the workshop is officially approved and you are
 >ready to proceed. 
 >
 >						Satoshi (M)
 >
 >
 >On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:45:10 -0500
 >Charlie Catlett <catlett at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
 >
 >catlett> Well, it's interesting for me to approach GGF from 
 >outside of the 
 >catlett> walls of power.  :-)  As I'm the one who approved all of the 
 >catlett> gauntlets and triplicate forms I certainly have no 
 >one else to blame!
 >catlett> 
 >catlett> I need to get an answer on this more or less 
 >immediately, however, so 
 >catlett> can I get an official yes or no this week?  I'm 
 >assuming since Julie 
 >catlett> contacted me about scheduling that we are going to 
 >get our visa 
 >catlett> approved.
 >catlett> 
 >catlett> I spoke with Peter Arzberger (leads the PRAGMA 
 >group) and asked him 
 >catlett> to recruit 1 or 2 Asian co-chairs for the workshop - 
 >he will be 
 >catlett> pouring over the background information while on his 
 >flight to 
 >catlett> Singapore tonight for the PRAGMA meeting there.
 >catlett> 
 >catlett> Next Monday I will hop on a plane to London, where 
 >I'll see Tony Hey 
 >catlett> on Tuesday and Wednesday at the GridToday industry 
 >summit.  I 
 >catlett> mentioned this workshop to him in early April and he 
 >was interested, 
 >catlett> so I am hoping next week to get an eScience person 
 >to help co-chair.
 >catlett> 
 >catlett> But my local co-chairs (Nancy WIlkins-Diehr from 
 >SDSC and Sebastien 
 >catlett> Goasguen from Purdue are doing the real work, though 
 >the list 
 >catlett> includes myself, Dennis and Ian Foster) are getting 
 >nervous about 
 >catlett> running out of time to organize and advertise.
 >catlett> 
 >catlett> This last point is important, because the workshop 
 >really is being 
 >catlett> proposed to address GGF's community aspirations - to 
 >get more folks 
 >catlett> involved who would not normally already be coming to GGF.
 >catlett> 
 >catlett> Thanks-
 >catlett> CeC
 >catlett> 
 >catlett> 
 >catlett> At 9:48 PM +0100 4/25/05, Malcolm Atkinson wrote:
 >catlett> >Sorry Charlie to have been so demanding - that all 
 >looks great to me.  I
 >catlett> >never doubted that it would be.  I partly posed the 
 >questions to see if
 >catlett> >the old GROC criteria (which I had used in my 
 >judgements) were still the
 >catlett> >ones GFSG would support.
 >catlett> >
 >catlett> >Malcolm
 >catlett> >
 >catlett> >
 >catlett> >  >-----Original Message-----
 >catlett> >  >From: Charlie Catlett [mailto:catlett at mcs.anl.gov]
 >catlett> >  >Sent: 18 April 2005 16:27
 >catlett> >  >To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson
 >catlett> >  >Cc: ccgt at ggf.org
 >catlett> >  >Subject: Re: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items -
 >catlett> >  >April 5 Meeting
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >>
 >catlett> >  >>mpa> I read all three workshop proposals.
 >catlett> >  >>mpa> The questions look like the old GROC ones, 
 >and I notice
 >catlett> >  >that Charlie
 >catlett> >  >>mpa> didn't answer them and that the health grid only
 >catlett> >  >answered some of them.
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >Ah, sorry I didn't run the GROC approval 
 >gauntlet correctly - we
 >catlett> >  >spend several hours in Seoul talking about how 
 >to get additional
 >catlett> >  >communities engaged in GGF and this was in 
 >direct response to that
 >catlett> >  >GFSG discussion.  I did not realize I still 
 >needed to fill out the
 >catlett> >  >GROC forms in triplicate.   :-)
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >Appended is my response to Malcolm's two (not 
 >focused on one group;
 >catlett> >  >publication).  Here is my official GROC application form:
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >A)     Workshop Title
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >Science Gateways:  Exploring Common Interfaces, 
 >Policies and
 >catlett> >  >Interactions between Grid Resources and Science 
 >Communities
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >B)     Proposed workshop organizer names and 
 >affiliations (possibly
 >catlett> >  >incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to 
 >identify yourself if
 >catlett> >  >you are a chair of an existing RG/WG.
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >Catlett (UC/ANL), Gannon (IU), Foster (UC/ANL), 
 >Wilkins-Diehr (UCSD),
 >catlett> >  >Goasguen (Purdue)
 >catlett> >  >Have requested contacts from Tony Hey and 
 >Satoshi Matsuoka for people
 >catlett> >  >doing similar work elsewhere to help organize.
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >C)     RG/WG that will be involved (including 
 >potential RG/WGs as
 >catlett> >  >well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are 
 >proposing a workshop
 >catlett> >  >without being a full RG, please provide a 
 >separate RG submission
 >catlett> >  >info, including candidate RG name, charter, 
 >area, chairs, BOF
 >catlett> >  >descriptions, etc.
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >This workshop does not involve a particular 
 >RG/WG - it is intended to
 >catlett> >  >bring in new communities.  However, we expect 
 >that some from the Life
 >catlett> >  >Sciences RG and GCE RG will participate.
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >D)     Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of 
 >the workshop
 >catlett> >  >description to be put on the program.
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >Provided already
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >E)      Potential speakers for type one 
 >(invited( and possibly two
 >catlett> >  >workshops. Any additional info are welcome 
 >including the title of the
 >catlett> >  >talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed 
 >program may be put
 >catlett> >  >here.
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >We will have 4-6 presentations from people who 
 >are building, or have
 >catlett> >  >built, science gateways (portals or application 
 >software that
 >catlett> >  >provides Grid resources to scientists).  Three 
 >will be from the
 >catlett> >  >TeraGrid project, three from other projects as 
 >we find them (we are
 >catlett> >  >actively seeking).
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >There will be 4-6 presentations regarding key 
 >technology/policy
 >catlett> >  >issues such as authentication and authorization, 
 >web services
 >catlett> >  >implementation strategies, etc.
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >F)      Past History of hosting a similar 
 >workshop inside or
 >catlett> >  >outside GGF.
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >Catlett, Foster and Gannon have pretty good track record
 >catlett> >  >right there...
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >G)     Duration of workshop - half day (2-3 
 >slots incl. Breaks) or
 >catlett> >  >whole day (4-5 slots)
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >Whole day
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >H)     Estimated # of participants (if possible)
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >Unsure - probably 100-150
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >I)        Publication Plans --- please indicate 
 >if you have plan to
 >catlett> >  >publish the workshop result with a certain 
 >publisher. If left out we
 >catlett> >  >will assume that the workshop product will be a 
 >GGF Informational
 >catlett> >  >Document.
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >GGF informational
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >CeC
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >>Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500
 >catlett> >  >>To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, Charlie Catlett 
 ><catlett at mcs.anl.gov>,
 >catlett> >  >>Dennis Gannon <gannon at cs.indiana.edu>
 >catlett> >  >>From: Charlie Catlett <catlett at mcs.anl.gov>
 >catlett> >  >>Subject: Re: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background
 >catlett> >  >>Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt at ggf.org
 >catlett> >  >>Bcc:
 >catlett> >  >>X-Attachments:
 >catlett> >  >>
 >catlett> >  >>Hi-
 >catlett> >  >>The purpose of the workshop is to bring 
 >together folks who are
 >catlett> >  >>trying to bring Grid capabilities to a 
 >particular science community
 >catlett> >  >>(atmospheric scientists, chemists, 
 >bioinformatics folks, etc.), and
 >catlett> >  >>who are looking to use web services and/or web 
 >portals to do so.  I
 >catlett> >  >>am seeing these communities moving out ahead of 
 >GGF or the "grid"
 >catlett> >  >>experts or "portal" experts.  This is creating 
 >a danger that those
 >catlett> >  >>of us running Grids or Grid resources will have 
 >a chaotic situation
 >catlett> >  >>where our key commmunities will each want to 
 >set up an ad-hoc
 >catlett> >  >>interaction mode with us to serve their 
 >communities.  One will want
 >catlett> >  >>to use group accounts and another will want to 
 >install a custom
 >catlett> >  >>daemon on our machines.  Another will want to 
 >use web services and
 >catlett> >  >>another will want .NET.
 >catlett> >  >>
 >catlett> >  >>The draft I circulated was a first cut at 
 >understanding what 10
 >catlett> >  >>communities are trying to build, and all ten 
 >want to access Grid
 >catlett> >  >>resources in TeraGrid.  Some are also building 
 >their own Grids, and
 >catlett> >  >>all would like to also access Grid resources in 
 >the UK or Japan.
 >catlett> >  >>
 >catlett> >  >>The idea of this workshop is to bring these 
 >consumers together with
 >catlett> >  >>one another and with producers to see if there 
 >are some things we
 >catlett> >  >>might agree on that can be implemented to nudge 
 >them toward some
 >catlett> >  >>common solutions.  Now, some TeraGrid folks 
 >have made some headway
 >catlett> >  >>in looking at this and I would like to broaden 
 >that discussion to
 >catlett> >  >>others who are doing similar things (or should 
 >be). To this end I
 >catlett> >  >>asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch 
 >with the right person or
 >catlett> >  >>persons from the UK, and would like similar 
 >contacts from Japan
 >catlett> >  >>(Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere.
 >catlett> >  >>
 >catlett> >  >>I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity 
 >- we don't need GGF
 >catlett> >  >>to do that.  We need GGF to help us broaden the 
 >effort by helping us
 >catlett> >  >>reach other communities.
 >catlett> >  >>
 >catlett> >  >>So I would expect to do a call for 
 >participation not to the producer
 >catlett> >  >>community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer 
 >population, portal experts),
 >catlett> >  >>though it would be good for them to 
 >participate, but to the consumer
 >catlett> >  >>community.  I.e. those who don't really care 
 >that much about
 >catlett> >  >>standards or web services or grid technology 
 >other than that they
 >catlett> >  >>want to use them to serve their customers doing science.
 >catlett> >  >>
 >catlett> >  >>The draft I circulated would be used to 
 >structure the workshop, get
 >catlett> >  >>input from more consumer groups, get producer 
 >groups to talk about
 >catlett> >  >>how they are addressing these issues, and then 
 >update the document
 >catlett> >  >>as a GGF informational document.
 >catlett> >  >>
 >catlett> >  >>
 >catlett> >  >>CeC
 >catlett> >  >>
 >catlett> >  >>At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
 >catlett> >  >>>Charlie, Dennis,
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's 
 >concern that it be a
 >catlett> >  >>>TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be 
 >considered. Here is a
 >catlett> >  >>>(form) letter,
 >catlett> >  >>>and with proper fulfillment of the workshop 
 >template and widespread
 >catlett> >  >>>solicitation to key portal groups in EU as 
 >well as AP, hopefully the
 >catlett> >  >>>concern will be addressed.
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>(form letter is attached below)
 >catlett> >  >>>						
 >	Satoshi
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>----
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500
 >catlett> >  >>>Charlie Catlett <catlett at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> Friends-
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding 
 >this workshop
 >catlett> >  >mentioned a group
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document
 >catlett> >  >drafted in March I
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> wanted to send it to you.  It's very 
 >preliminary,
 >catlett> >  >but it shows that
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> the group is serious and already getting work
 >catlett> >  >done.   I expect an
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks
 >catlett> >  >since it was discussed
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the
 >catlett> >  >TeraGrid all-hands
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> meeting earlier this week.  I think 
 >this workshop
 >catlett> >  >will be very
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> important to the community.  My hope 
 >is that it will bring
 >catlett> >  >>>in some of
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community
 >catlett> >  >including people who are:
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett>
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> - building portals for scientific communities
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> - implementing web services on resources in
 >catlett> >  >operational grids
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> - developing operational policies and 
 >mechanisms
 >catlett> >  >for varying degrees
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> of authorization (from full access 
 >shell accounts
 >catlett> >  >to restricted
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> service invocations) based on varying 
 >degrees of
 >catlett> >  >>>authentication (from
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> highly trusted authentication to 
 >anonymous access)
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work 
 >together, etc.
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett>
 >catlett> >  >>>catlett> CeC
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>-----
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>Charlie, Dennis,
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the 
 >workshop proposal
 >catlett> >  >>>"Science Gateways Portals Workshop".
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>I am sending this email as the current GROC 
 >co-chair and
 >catlett> >  >also on behalf
 >catlett> >  >>>of the newly proposed community council.
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to
 >catlett> >  >strengthen the
 >catlett> >  >>>community activities, the GFSG and the 
 >proposed community council
 >catlett> >  >>>therein will be taking active responsibility 
 >in workshop
 >catlett> >  >oversight. In
 >catlett> >  >>>the light of this we have decided to provide 
 >active dialogs to the
 >catlett> >  >>>workshop organizers to help strengthen the 
 >organizational process as
 >catlett> >  >>>well as its exterior outreach.
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>Please re-distribute this email to other 
 >organizers as well
 >catlett> >  >as anybody
 >catlett> >  >>>else involved in your workshop organization.
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the
 >catlett> >  >process by sending
 >catlett> >  >>>you comment(s) already made. As you see, 
 >although you have solid
 >catlett> >  >>>backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle,
 >catlett> >  >nevertheless as you
 >catlett> >  >>>see the comments below indicate that there is room for
 >catlett> >  >improvement in
 >catlett> >  >>>the proposal. I hope you could make the 
 >initial revisions
 >catlett> >  >by reflect the
 >catlett> >  >>>comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed)
 >catlett> >  >community council
 >catlett> >  >>>the revised version in about a week's time 
 >(around April
 >catlett> >  >15th). In the
 >catlett> >  >>>meantime as additional comments come along, 
 >which will be
 >catlett> >  >forwarded to
 >catlett> >  >>>you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and 
 >if you make
 >catlett> >  >improvements
 >catlett> >  >>>as well, please let us know where you would 
 >like to do so.
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>Also please note that the primary intention 
 >for this is that we will
 >catlett> >  >>>want to allow some of the workshop to be a
 >catlett> >  >>>academically viable and recognizable activity 
 >from not only
 >catlett> >  >within the
 >catlett> >  >>>Grid community but from other CS communities. 
 >Thus, we would like
 >catlett> >  >>>to push on external communication of the 
 >workshop, both in terms of
 >catlett> >  >>>the content as well as the viability of its 
 >organizational
 >catlett> >  >manners. It
 >catlett> >  >>>is NOT intended to increase bureacratic 
 >stronghold of GFSG and the
 >catlett> >  >>>community council therein over the research groups.
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>To quote one community council member: "I am passionate
 >catlett> >  >about the high
 >catlett> >  >>>value of good workshops: they stimulate, they 
 >inform, they build
 >catlett> >  >>>communities, they cross-fertilise and they 
 >recognise the
 >catlett> >  >need for new
 >catlett> >  >>>lines of work.  Without workshops I think GGF 
 >would drift
 >catlett> >  >towards narrow
 >catlett> >  >>>technical nit-picking standards. The value of 
 >workshops is much
 >catlett> >  >>>diminished if the only effects are on those at the
 >catlett> >  >workshop.  Hence the
 >catlett> >  >>>demand for publication and publicity."
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>I hope the new (proposed) community council 
 >can fruitfully
 >catlett> >  >work with the
 >catlett> >  >>>workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, 
 >to have you
 >catlett> >  >host a high-quality
 >catlett> >  >>>and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the
 >catlett> >  >>>revised proposal as well as the workshop 
 >itself. Thanks.
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>					Best Regards,
 >catlett> >  >>>					Satoshi Matsuoka
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>Comment 1:
 >catlett> >  >>>===
 >catlett> >  >>>The Science Portals workshop looks a good 
 >topic, and we can
 >catlett> >  >trust Dennis
 >catlett> >  >>>and Charlie will run an excellent workshop.  
 >However, we
 >catlett> >  >need to take
 >catlett> >  >>>care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred 
 >or US centred.
 >catlett> >  > We should
 >catlett> >  >>>see others, from Asian grids and European 
 >grids engaged in
 >catlett> >  >planning /
 >catlett> >  >>>presenting IMHO.  I can find some, but the 
 >recent week on
 >catlett> >  >portals at eSI
 >catlett> >  >>>led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names
 >catlett> >  
 >>>>(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549),
 >catlett> >  >>>particularly UK ones.
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from 
 >Catania, bringing
 >catlett> >  >experience
 >catlett> >  >>>on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera
 >catlett> >  >>><roberto.barbera at ct.infn.it> 
 >https://genius.ct.infn.it/. 
 >catlett> >  >We have used
 >catlett> >  >>>it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) 
 >for new user community
 >catlett> >  >>>induction.
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>What is the planned model of communication?  
 >What should it
 >catlett> >  >not clash
 >catlett> >  >>>with? ...
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting
 >catlett> >  >questions answered
 >catlett> >  >>>and publication plan.
 >catlett> >  >>>===
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>Comment 2 (general):
 >catlett> >  >>>===
 >catlett> >  >>>I think we might encourage more substantial publication
 >catlett> >  >such as journal
 >catlett> >  >>>special issues so as to give greater credit to 
 >(academic)
 >catlett> >  >participants
 >catlett> >  >>>However in general I think we should let each 
 >workshop make
 >catlett> >  >its choice as
 >catlett> >  >>>"external outreach, publication and publicity" 
 >which should exist in
 >catlett> >  >>>some fashion
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>===
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>Comment 3: (Satoshi)
 >catlett> >  >>>===
 >catlett> >  >>>There are several groups in AP working on 
 >"Science Gateway" Portals,
 >catlett> >  >>>including those in Japan and Korea, and those 
 >should be contacted.
 >catlett> >  >>>For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and
 >catlett> >  >NAREGI's WP3/6 are
 >catlett> >  >>>working on high-level portals interface. 
 >Korea's K* Grid has several
 >catlett> >  >>>efforts in those regard.
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught
 >catlett> >  >pragma, with help
 >catlett> >  >>>from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is
 >catlett> >  >important to make
 >catlett> >  >>>the intentions clear so that not all the Grid 
 >portals on
 >catlett> >  >earth will try
 >catlett> >  >>>to participate and ask for a time slot.
 >catlett> >  >>>
 >catlett> >  >>>---------
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> >  >
 >catlett> 
 >
 >Satoshi Matsuoka,  Professor
 >Global Scientific Information and Computing Center 
 > & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences
 >Tokyo Institute of Technology
 >Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan
 >Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876   E-mail: matsu at acm.org, 
 >matsu at is.titech.ac.jp
 >
 >




From catlett at mcs.anl.gov  Mon May  2 08:39:32 2005
From: catlett at mcs.anl.gov (Charlie Catlett)
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:39:32 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] RE: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - April
 5 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <5D8E46F5AA2D8A428667B8787DEF216CD832B5@hendrix.ad.nesc.ac.uk>
References: <5D8E46F5AA2D8A428667B8787DEF216CD832B5@hendrix.ad.nesc.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <p06110412be9bddc5b08f@[192.168.1.100]>

Thanks.

We are almost done with the CFP, which I've attached.  Do any of you 
see any problems with it? (apologies if MSWord is problematic for 
anyone)

CeC


At 3:46 PM +0100 5/1/05, Malcolm Atkinson wrote:
>Charlie,
>
>That was my understanding from the call and subsequent events call.
>i.e. it is approved in my view.
>
>Malcolm
>
>
>  >-----Original Message-----
>  >From: Satoshi Matsuoka [mailto:matsu at is.titech.ac.jp]
>  >Sent: 29 April 2005 21:54
>  >To: Charlie Catlett
>  >Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson; ccgt at ggf.org
>  >Subject: Re: [CCGT] RE: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda
>  >items - April 5 Meeting
>  >
>  >Charlie,
>  >
>  >I think it was approved. If we are operating under an older model then
>  >it is either Dennis's or my duty to inform you. But since we are
>  >operating in an interum model where the scheduling decisions are being
>  >made by the organizers (Jule) and the decision is collective
>  >amongst the
>  >community council, where we seem to have unanimous agreement,
>  >I judge it
>  >is safe to assume that the workshop is officially approved and you are
>  >ready to proceed.
>  >
>  >						Satoshi (M)
>  >
>  >
>  >On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:45:10 -0500
>  >Charlie Catlett <catlett at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>  >
>  >catlett> Well, it's interesting for me to approach GGF from
>  >outside of the
>  >catlett> walls of power.  :-)  As I'm the one who approved all of the
>  >catlett> gauntlets and triplicate forms I certainly have no
>  >one else to blame!
>  >catlett>
>  >catlett> I need to get an answer on this more or less
>  >immediately, however, so
>  >catlett> can I get an official yes or no this week?  I'm
>  >assuming since Julie
>  >catlett> contacted me about scheduling that we are going to
>  >get our visa
>  >catlett> approved.
>  >catlett>
>  >catlett> I spoke with Peter Arzberger (leads the PRAGMA
>  >group) and asked him
>  >catlett> to recruit 1 or 2 Asian co-chairs for the workshop -
>  >he will be
>  >catlett> pouring over the background information while on his
>  >flight to
>  >catlett> Singapore tonight for the PRAGMA meeting there.
>  >catlett>
>  >catlett> Next Monday I will hop on a plane to London, where
>  >I'll see Tony Hey
>  >catlett> on Tuesday and Wednesday at the GridToday industry
>  >summit.  I
>  >catlett> mentioned this workshop to him in early April and he
>  >was interested,
>  >catlett> so I am hoping next week to get an eScience person
>  >to help co-chair.
>  >catlett>
>  >catlett> But my local co-chairs (Nancy WIlkins-Diehr from
>  >SDSC and Sebastien
>  >catlett> Goasguen from Purdue are doing the real work, though
>  >the list
>  >catlett> includes myself, Dennis and Ian Foster) are getting
>  >nervous about
>  >catlett> running out of time to organize and advertise.
>  >catlett>
>  >catlett> This last point is important, because the workshop
>  >really is being
>  >catlett> proposed to address GGF's community aspirations - to
>  >get more folks
>  >catlett> involved who would not normally already be coming to GGF.
>  >catlett>
>  >catlett> Thanks-
>  >catlett> CeC
>  >catlett>
>  >catlett>
>  >catlett> At 9:48 PM +0100 4/25/05, Malcolm Atkinson wrote:
>  >catlett> >Sorry Charlie to have been so demanding - that all
>  >looks great to me.  I
>  >catlett> >never doubted that it would be.  I partly posed the
>  >questions to see if
>  >catlett> >the old GROC criteria (which I had used in my
>  >judgements) were still the
>  >catlett> >ones GFSG would support.
>  >catlett> >
>  >catlett> >Malcolm
>  >catlett> >
>  >catlett> >
>  >catlett> >  >-----Original Message-----
>  >catlett> >  >From: Charlie Catlett [mailto:catlett at mcs.anl.gov]
>  >catlett> >  >Sent: 18 April 2005 16:27
>  >catlett> >  >To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson
>  >catlett> >  >Cc: ccgt at ggf.org
>  >catlett> >  >Subject: Re: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items -
>  >catlett> >  >April 5 Meeting
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >>
>  >catlett> >  >>mpa> I read all three workshop proposals.
>  >catlett> >  >>mpa> The questions look like the old GROC ones,
>  >and I notice
>  >catlett> >  >that Charlie
>  >catlett> >  >>mpa> didn't answer them and that the health grid only
>  >catlett> >  >answered some of them.
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >Ah, sorry I didn't run the GROC approval
>  >gauntlet correctly - we
>  >catlett> >  >spend several hours in Seoul talking about how
>  >to get additional
>  >catlett> >  >communities engaged in GGF and this was in
>  >direct response to that
>  >catlett> >  >GFSG discussion.  I did not realize I still
>  >needed to fill out the
>  >catlett> >  >GROC forms in triplicate.   :-)
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >Appended is my response to Malcolm's two (not
>  >focused on one group;
>  >catlett> >  >publication).  Here is my official GROC application form:
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >A)     Workshop Title
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >Science Gateways:  Exploring Common Interfaces,
>  >Policies and
>  >catlett> >  >Interactions between Grid Resources and Science
>  >Communities
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >B)     Proposed workshop organizer names and
>  >affiliations (possibly
>  >catlett> >  >incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to
>  >identify yourself if
>  >catlett> >  >you are a chair of an existing RG/WG.
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >Catlett (UC/ANL), Gannon (IU), Foster (UC/ANL),
>  >Wilkins-Diehr (UCSD),
>  >catlett> >  >Goasguen (Purdue)
>  >catlett> >  >Have requested contacts from Tony Hey and
>  >Satoshi Matsuoka for people
>  >catlett> >  >doing similar work elsewhere to help organize.
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >C)     RG/WG that will be involved (including
>  >potential RG/WGs as
>  >catlett> >  >well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are
>  >proposing a workshop
>  >catlett> >  >without being a full RG, please provide a
>  >separate RG submission
>  >catlett> >  >info, including candidate RG name, charter,
>  >area, chairs, BOF
>  >catlett> >  >descriptions, etc.
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >This workshop does not involve a particular
>  >RG/WG - it is intended to
>  >catlett> >  >bring in new communities.  However, we expect
>  >that some from the Life
>  >catlett> >  >Sciences RG and GCE RG will participate.
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >D)     Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of
>  >the workshop
>  >catlett> >  >description to be put on the program.
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >Provided already
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >E)      Potential speakers for type one
>  >(invited( and possibly two
>  >catlett> >  >workshops. Any additional info are welcome
>  >including the title of the
>  >catlett> >  >talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed
>  >program may be put
>  >catlett> >  >here.
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >We will have 4-6 presentations from people who
>  >are building, or have
>  >catlett> >  >built, science gateways (portals or application
>  >software that
>  >catlett> >  >provides Grid resources to scientists).  Three
>  >will be from the
>  >catlett> >  >TeraGrid project, three from other projects as
>  >we find them (we are
>  >catlett> >  >actively seeking).
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >There will be 4-6 presentations regarding key
>  >technology/policy
>  >catlett> >  >issues such as authentication and authorization,
>  >web services
>  >catlett> >  >implementation strategies, etc.
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >F)      Past History of hosting a similar
>  >workshop inside or
>  >catlett> >  >outside GGF.
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >Catlett, Foster and Gannon have pretty good track record
>  >catlett> >  >right there...
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >G)     Duration of workshop - half day (2-3
>  >slots incl. Breaks) or
>  >catlett> >  >whole day (4-5 slots)
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >Whole day
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >H)     Estimated # of participants (if possible)
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >Unsure - probably 100-150
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >I)        Publication Plans --- please indicate
>  >if you have plan to
>  >catlett> >  >publish the workshop result with a certain
>  >publisher. If left out we
>  >catlett> >  >will assume that the workshop product will be a
>  >GGF Informational
>  >catlett> >  >Document.
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >GGF informational
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >CeC
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >>Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500
>  >catlett> >  >>To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, Charlie Catlett
>  ><catlett at mcs.anl.gov>,
>  >catlett> >  >>Dennis Gannon <gannon at cs.indiana.edu>
>  >catlett> >  >>From: Charlie Catlett <catlett at mcs.anl.gov>
>  >catlett> >  >>Subject: Re: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background
>  >catlett> >  >>Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt at ggf.org
>  >catlett> >  >>Bcc:
>  >catlett> >  >>X-Attachments:
>  >catlett> >  >>
>  >catlett> >  >>Hi-
>  >catlett> >  >>The purpose of the workshop is to bring
>  >together folks who are
>  >catlett> >  >>trying to bring Grid capabilities to a
>  >particular science community
>  >catlett> >  >>(atmospheric scientists, chemists,
>  >bioinformatics folks, etc.), and
>  >catlett> >  >>who are looking to use web services and/or web
>  >portals to do so.  I
>  >catlett> >  >>am seeing these communities moving out ahead of
>  >GGF or the "grid"
>  >catlett> >  >>experts or "portal" experts.  This is creating
>  >a danger that those
>  >catlett> >  >>of us running Grids or Grid resources will have
>  >a chaotic situation
>  >catlett> >  >>where our key commmunities will each want to
>  >set up an ad-hoc
>  >catlett> >  >>interaction mode with us to serve their
>  >communities.  One will want
>  >catlett> >  >>to use group accounts and another will want to
>  >install a custom
>  >catlett> >  >>daemon on our machines.  Another will want to
>  >use web services and
>  >catlett> >  >>another will want .NET.
>  >catlett> >  >>
>  >catlett> >  >>The draft I circulated was a first cut at
>  >understanding what 10
>  >catlett> >  >>communities are trying to build, and all ten
>  >want to access Grid
>  >catlett> >  >>resources in TeraGrid.  Some are also building
>  >their own Grids, and
>  >catlett> >  >>all would like to also access Grid resources in
>  >the UK or Japan.
>  >catlett> >  >>
>  >catlett> >  >>The idea of this workshop is to bring these
>  >consumers together with
>  >catlett> >  >>one another and with producers to see if there
>  >are some things we
>  >catlett> >  >>might agree on that can be implemented to nudge
>  >them toward some
>  >catlett> >  >>common solutions.  Now, some TeraGrid folks
>  >have made some headway
>  >catlett> >  >>in looking at this and I would like to broaden
>  >that discussion to
>  >catlett> >  >>others who are doing similar things (or should
>  >be). To this end I
>  >catlett> >  >>asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch
>  >with the right person or
>  >catlett> >  >>persons from the UK, and would like similar
>  >contacts from Japan
>  >catlett> >  >>(Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere.
>  >catlett> >  >>
>  >catlett> >  >>I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity
>  >- we don't need GGF
>  >catlett> >  >>to do that.  We need GGF to help us broaden the
>  >effort by helping us
>  >catlett> >  >>reach other communities.
>  >catlett> >  >>
>  >catlett> >  >>So I would expect to do a call for
>  >participation not to the producer
>  >catlett> >  >>community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer
>  >population, portal experts),
>  >catlett> >  >>though it would be good for them to
>  >participate, but to the consumer
>  >catlett> >  >>community.  I.e. those who don't really care
>  >that much about
>  >catlett> >  >>standards or web services or grid technology
>  >other than that they
>  >catlett> >  >>want to use them to serve their customers doing science.
>  >catlett> >  >>
>  >catlett> >  >>The draft I circulated would be used to
>  >structure the workshop, get
>  >catlett> >  >>input from more consumer groups, get producer
>  >groups to talk about
>  >catlett> >  >>how they are addressing these issues, and then
>  >update the document
>  >catlett> >  >>as a GGF informational document.
>  >catlett> >  >>
>  >catlett> >  >>
>  >catlett> >  >>CeC
>  >catlett> >  >>
>  >catlett> >  >>At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
>  >catlett> >  >>>Charlie, Dennis,
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's
>  >concern that it be a
>  >catlett> >  >>>TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be
>  >considered. Here is a
>  >catlett> >  >>>(form) letter,
>  >catlett> >  >>>and with proper fulfillment of the workshop
>  >template and widespread
>  >catlett> >  >>>solicitation to key portal groups in EU as
>  >well as AP, hopefully the
>  >catlett> >  >>>concern will be addressed.
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>(form letter is attached below)
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >	Satoshi
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>----
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500
>  >catlett> >  >>>Charlie Catlett <catlett at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> Friends-
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding
>  >this workshop
>  >catlett> >  >mentioned a group
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document
>  >catlett> >  >drafted in March I
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> wanted to send it to you.  It's very
>  >preliminary,
>  >catlett> >  >but it shows that
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> the group is serious and already getting work
>  >catlett> >  >done.   I expect an
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks
>  >catlett> >  >since it was discussed
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the
>  >catlett> >  >TeraGrid all-hands
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> meeting earlier this week.  I think
>  >this workshop
>  >catlett> >  >will be very
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> important to the community.  My hope
>  >is that it will bring
>  >catlett> >  >>>in some of
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community
>  >catlett> >  >including people who are:
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett>
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> - building portals for scientific communities
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> - implementing web services on resources in
>  >catlett> >  >operational grids
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> - developing operational policies and
>  >mechanisms
>  >catlett> >  >for varying degrees
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> of authorization (from full access
>  >shell accounts
>  >catlett> >  >to restricted
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> service invocations) based on varying
>  >degrees of
>  >catlett> >  >>>authentication (from
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> highly trusted authentication to
>  >anonymous access)
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work
>  >together, etc.
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett>
>  >catlett> >  >>>catlett> CeC
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>-----
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>Charlie, Dennis,
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the
>  >workshop proposal
>  >catlett> >  >>>"Science Gateways Portals Workshop".
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>I am sending this email as the current GROC
>  >co-chair and
>  >catlett> >  >also on behalf
>  >catlett> >  >>>of the newly proposed community council.
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to
>  >catlett> >  >strengthen the
>  >catlett> >  >>>community activities, the GFSG and the
>  >proposed community council
>  >catlett> >  >>>therein will be taking active responsibility
>  >in workshop
>  >catlett> >  >oversight. In
>  >catlett> >  >>>the light of this we have decided to provide
>  >active dialogs to the
>  >catlett> >  >>>workshop organizers to help strengthen the
>  >organizational process as
>  >catlett> >  >>>well as its exterior outreach.
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>Please re-distribute this email to other
>  >organizers as well
>  >catlett> >  >as anybody
>  >catlett> >  >>>else involved in your workshop organization.
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the
>  >catlett> >  >process by sending
>  >catlett> >  >>>you comment(s) already made. As you see,
>  >although you have solid
>  >catlett> >  >>>backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle,
>  >catlett> >  >nevertheless as you
>  >catlett> >  >>>see the comments below indicate that there is room for
>  >catlett> >  >improvement in
>  >catlett> >  >>>the proposal. I hope you could make the
>  >initial revisions
>  >catlett> >  >by reflect the
>  >catlett> >  >>>comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed)
>  >catlett> >  >community council
>  >catlett> >  >>>the revised version in about a week's time
>  >(around April
>  >catlett> >  >15th). In the
>  >catlett> >  >>>meantime as additional comments come along,
>  >which will be
>  >catlett> >  >forwarded to
>  >catlett> >  >>>you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and
>  >if you make
>  >catlett> >  >improvements
>  >catlett> >  >>>as well, please let us know where you would
>  >like to do so.
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>Also please note that the primary intention
>  >for this is that we will
>  >catlett> >  >>>want to allow some of the workshop to be a
>  >catlett> >  >>>academically viable and recognizable activity
>  >from not only
>  >catlett> >  >within the
>  >catlett> >  >>>Grid community but from other CS communities.
>  >Thus, we would like
>  >catlett> >  >>>to push on external communication of the
>  >workshop, both in terms of
>  >catlett> >  >>>the content as well as the viability of its
>  >organizational
>  >catlett> >  >manners. It
>  >catlett> >  >>>is NOT intended to increase bureacratic
>  >stronghold of GFSG and the
>  >catlett> >  >>>community council therein over the research groups.
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>To quote one community council member: "I am passionate
>  >catlett> >  >about the high
>  >catlett> >  >>>value of good workshops: they stimulate, they
>  >inform, they build
>  >catlett> >  >>>communities, they cross-fertilise and they
>  >recognise the
>  >catlett> >  >need for new
>  >catlett> >  >>>lines of work.  Without workshops I think GGF
>  >would drift
>  >catlett> >  >towards narrow
>  >catlett> >  >>>technical nit-picking standards. The value of
>  >workshops is much
>  >catlett> >  >>>diminished if the only effects are on those at the
>  >catlett> >  >workshop.  Hence the
>  >catlett> >  >>>demand for publication and publicity."
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>I hope the new (proposed) community council
>  >can fruitfully
>  >catlett> >  >work with the
>  >catlett> >  >>>workshop organizers to fulfill such desires,
>  >to have you
>  >catlett> >  >host a high-quality
>  >catlett> >  >>>and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the
>  >catlett> >  >>>revised proposal as well as the workshop
>  >itself. Thanks.
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>					Best Regards,
>  >catlett> >  >>>					Satoshi Matsuoka
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>Comment 1:
>  >catlett> >  >>>===
>  >catlett> >  >>>The Science Portals workshop looks a good
>  >topic, and we can
>  >catlett> >  >trust Dennis
>  >catlett> >  >>>and Charlie will run an excellent workshop. 
>  >However, we
>  >catlett> >  >need to take
>  >catlett> >  >>>care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred
>  >or US centred.
>  >catlett> >  > We should
>  >catlett> >  >>>see others, from Asian grids and European
>  >grids engaged in
>  >catlett> >  >planning /
>  >catlett> >  >>>presenting IMHO.  I can find some, but the
>  >recent week on
>  >catlett> >  >portals at eSI
>  >catlett> >  >>>led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names
>  >catlett> > 
>  >>>>(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549),
>  >catlett> >  >>>particularly UK ones.
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from
>  >Catania, bringing
>  >catlett> >  >experience
>  >catlett> >  >>>on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera
>  >catlett> >  >>><roberto.barbera at ct.infn.it>
>  >https://genius.ct.infn.it/.
>  >catlett> >  >We have used
>  >catlett> >  >>>it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA)
>  >for new user community
>  >catlett> >  >>>induction.
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>What is the planned model of communication? 
>  >What should it
>  >catlett> >  >not clash
>  >catlett> >  >>>with? ...
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting
>  >catlett> >  >questions answered
>  >catlett> >  >>>and publication plan.
>  >catlett> >  >>>===
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>Comment 2 (general):
>  >catlett> >  >>>===
>  >catlett> >  >>>I think we might encourage more substantial publication
>  >catlett> >  >such as journal
>  >catlett> >  >>>special issues so as to give greater credit to
>  >(academic)
>  >catlett> >  >participants
>  >catlett> >  >>>However in general I think we should let each
>  >workshop make
>  >catlett> >  >its choice as
>  >catlett> >  >>>"external outreach, publication and publicity"
>  >which should exist in
>  >catlett> >  >>>some fashion
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>===
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>Comment 3: (Satoshi)
>  >catlett> >  >>>===
>  >catlett> >  >>>There are several groups in AP working on
>  >"Science Gateway" Portals,
>  >catlett> >  >>>including those in Japan and Korea, and those
>  >should be contacted.
>  >catlett> >  >>>For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and
>  >catlett> >  >NAREGI's WP3/6 are
>  >catlett> >  >>>working on high-level portals interface.
>  >Korea's K* Grid has several
>  >catlett> >  >>>efforts in those regard.
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught
>  >catlett> >  >pragma, with help
>  >catlett> >  >>>from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is
>  >catlett> >  >important to make
>  >catlett> >  >>>the intentions clear so that not all the Grid
>  >portals on
>  >catlett> >  >earth will try
>  >catlett> >  >>>to participate and ask for a time slot.
>  >catlett> >  >>>
>  >catlett> >  >>>---------
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett> >  >
>  >catlett>
>  >
>  >Satoshi Matsuoka,  Professor
>  >Global Scientific Information and Computing Center
>  > & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences
>  >Tokyo Institute of Technology
>  >Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan
>  >Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876   E-mail: matsu at acm.org,
>  >matsu at is.titech.ac.jp
>  >
>  >
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From wulf at ggf.org  Wed May  4 19:56:33 2005
From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 19:56:33 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] GGF News
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050504193627.040df038@localhost>

Hi all,
Yesterday, GGF launched it's new web site containing a 'News' section (we 
had one before, but it was not maintained as frequently as we had 
hoped).  I wonder if you might be able to help me by identifying someone in 
your region who disseminates Grid news or Grid 'tidbits' on a regular basis 
(either from different websites, news articles, or other means).  Do people 
like this even exist?  Any insight is appreciated.
Julie


+++++++++++++++++++
***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
Manager of Community Development
wulf at ggf.org
ph. 630/252-7163
fax 630/252-4466




From gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu  Wed May  4 21:39:13 2005
From: gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu (Geoffrey Fox)
Date: Wed, 04 May 2005 21:39:13 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] GGF News
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20050504193627.040df038@localhost>
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20050504193627.040df038@localhost>
Message-ID: <42798751.2070005@grids.ucs.indiana.edu>

How do we distinguish "our news" from Gridtoday?

Julie Wulf-Knoerzer wrote:

> Hi all,
> Yesterday, GGF launched it's new web site containing a 'News' section 
> (we had one before, but it was not maintained as frequently as we had 
> hoped).  I wonder if you might be able to help me by identifying 
> someone in your region who disseminates Grid news or Grid 'tidbits' on 
> a regular basis (either from different websites, news articles, or 
> other means).  Do people like this even exist?  Any insight is 
> appreciated.
> Julie
>
>
> +++++++++++++++++++
> ***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
> Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
> Manager of Community Development
> wulf at ggf.org
> ph. 630/252-7163
> fax 630/252-4466
>
>

-- 
:
: Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
: Phones Cell 812-219-4643  Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977




From wulf at ggf.org  Mon May  9 15:45:29 2005
From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer)
Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 15:45:29 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] Fwd: Proposed Workshop at GGF
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050509154218.03ec86f8@localhost>

Dear all,
For your review, please find a proposal for a Community Track Globus 4.0 
Workshop at GGF14.
Julie


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>To: communities at ggf.org
>From: Ian Foster <foster at mcs.anl.gov>
>Subject: Proposed Workshop at GGF
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>
>A)     Workshop Title
>
>Globus Toolkit Version 4: Status and Experiences
>
>
>B)     Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly incl. 
>review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you are a 
>chair of an existing RG/WG.
>
>Organizers: Ian Foster, Argonne National Laboratory & University of Chicago
>I may recruit a co-organizer or two, but I haven't done so yet!
>
>
>C)     RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well as 
>RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being a 
>full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including candidate 
>RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc.
>
>This workshop will be coordinated with the OGSA-WG.
>
>
>D)     Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop description 
>to be put on the program.
>
>Globus Toolkit version 4 (GT4), released on April 30 2005, represents a 
>significant advance over earlier GT versions in terms of software quality, 
>functionality, and standards conformance. This workshop will provide an 
>opportunity for people not only to learn about GT4 but also to hear from 
>groups working with it. Presentations at the workshop will focus in 
>particular on experiences implementing and using the standards that 
>underlie GT4 and that in many cases form the basis for ongoing discussions 
>in OGSA-related working groups: the discussions of practical experiences 
>with Web services standards in particular may provide a useful 
>counterpoint to the often academic debates concerning the pros and cons of 
>different approaches. The discussion of GT4 experiences should also be 
>relevant to RGs concerned with Grid applications.
>
>Additional details on GT4: Quality has been a major emphasis during the 18 
>month development period and in particular the 6 month alpa-beta period, 
>in which over 150 people participated. Functionality includes not only the 
>GridFTP data movement service, GRAM job submission and management service, 
>Reliable File Transfer service, Replica Location Service, Community 
>Authorization Service, OGSA Data Access and Integration, and MyProxy 
>services included in previous releases (although with 
>multiple-order-of-magnitude improvements in scalability in several cases) 
>but also new services such as a Workspace Management service (for dynamic 
>accounts), Data Replication Service, Grid Teleoperation Control Protocol 
>service, and an expanded set of Monitoring and Discovery services. In 
>terms of standards conformance, GT4 provides probably the most 
>full-featured implementation of Web services security available anywhere; 
>a full-featured GridFTP implementation; and support for the WS Resource 
>Framework and WS-Notification specifications in C, Java, and Python containers.
>
>
>
>E)      Potential speakers for type one (invited) and possibly two 
>workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the 
>talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here.
>
>We propose a workshop of invited talks, as follows:
>
>GT4 Introduction (90 mins) -- largely Globus Alliance members
>         Overview (30 mins)
>         Implementation of Web Services Standards (15)
>         Performance (15)
>         Future directions (15)
>         Related Tools (15)
>Early Experiences with GT4 (90 mins) -- members of the Globus user community
>         China Grid (15)
>         GridCast, Belfast (15)
>         Intel (15)
>         Condor-G and GriPhyN (15)
>         Discussion (30)
>
>
>F)      Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF.
>
>I co-organized the Designing and Building Grid Services workshop, and have 
>organized other meetings.
>
>
>G)     Duration of workshop half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole day 
>(4-5 slots)
>
>Half day: 2 x 90 mins
>
>H)     Estimated # of participants (if possible)
>
>100
>
>I)        Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to 
>publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we will 
>assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational Document.
>
>We will prepare a brief report summarizing the content of the workshop and 
>discussion.

+++++++++++++++++++
***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
Manager of Community Development
wulf at ggf.org
ph. 630/252-7163
fax 630/252-4466




From wulf at ggf.org  Thu May 12 06:53:43 2005
From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer)
Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 06:53:43 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] GGF14 Community Program activities + proposed telecon
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050512064335.01a4cd38@localhost>

Dear all,
As yesterday was the deadline for Community Track submissions, I wanted to 
provide you with the details of what we received.  Attached, please find 
the 'for-internal-use' GGF program matrix, as well as a summary of 
submissions that we received.  Geoffrey and I been corresponding over the 
past few weeks (both separately and with fellow members of the Event 
Steering Committee) and have determined that the submissions fell under the 
following categories:
*WG/RG Workshops
*Community Workshops
*New Grid Communities
*Practical Grids.

Please let me know if you have issue with any of the program elements.  I 
will be working with Joel Replogle to begin scheduling these sessions shortly.

Also, I would like to schedule a Community Council telecon for the week of 
May 23 - agenda items forthcoming.  Please let me know what day/time would 
work best for you:
-Monday, May 23, 11:00a Central time,
-Wednesday, May 25, 9:00a Central time,
Thursday, May 26, 9:00a Central time.

Thanks,
Julie

P.S.  Another gentle reminder that we would like your area charter docs 
before June 1st.



+++++++++++++++++++
***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
Manager of Community Development
wulf at ggf.org
ph. 630/252-7163
fax 630/252-4466
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From wulf at ggf.org  Thu May 19 11:21:07 2005
From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer)
Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:21:07 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] GGF14 Community Program activities + proposed
  telecon
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20050512064335.01a4cd38@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050519111806.047dcf58@localhost>

Hi-
Please let me know if you are available next week (proposed times from 
original note reiterated below):

-Monday, May 23, 11:00a Central time,
-Wednesday, May 25, 9:00a Central time,
-Thursday, May 26, 9:00a Central time.

Discussion topics include:
*Area charter document status (deadline JUNE 1),
*Workshop call for GGF15,
*Community track call for content for GGF15.

Please let me know if/when you are available.
Thanks,
Julie


At 06:53 AM 5/12/2005 -0500, Julie Wulf-Knoerzer wrote:
>Dear all,
>As yesterday was the deadline for Community Track submissions, I wanted to 
>provide you with the details of what we received.  Attached, please find 
>the 'for-internal-use' GGF program matrix, as well as a summary of 
>submissions that we received.  Geoffrey and I been corresponding over the 
>past few weeks (both separately and with fellow members of the Event 
>Steering Committee) and have determined that the submissions fell under 
>the following categories:
>*WG/RG Workshops
>*Community Workshops
>*New Grid Communities
>*Practical Grids.
>
>Please let me know if you have issue with any of the program elements.  I 
>will be working with Joel Replogle to begin scheduling these sessions shortly.
>
>Also, I would like to schedule a Community Council telecon for the week of 
>May 23 - agenda items forthcoming.  Please let me know what day/time would 
>work best for you:
>-Monday, May 23, 11:00a Central time,
>-Wednesday, May 25, 9:00a Central time,
>Thursday, May 26, 9:00a Central time.
>
>Thanks,
>Julie
>
>P.S.  Another gentle reminder that we would like your area charter docs 
>before June 1st.
>
>
>
>+++++++++++++++++++
>***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
>Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
>Manager of Community Development
>wulf at ggf.org
>ph. 630/252-7163
>fax 630/252-4466
>
>

+++++++++++++++++++
***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
Manager of Community Development
wulf at ggf.org
ph. 630/252-7163
fax 630/252-4466




From matsu at is.titech.ac.jp  Mon May 23 23:08:07 2005
From: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp (Satoshi Matsuoka)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:08:07 +0900
Subject: [CCGT] GGF14 Community Program activities + proposed telecon
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20050519111806.047dcf58@localhost>
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20050512064335.01a4cd38@localhost> <5.1.1.6.2.20050519111806.047dcf58@localhost>
Message-ID: <20050520092721.EE82.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp>


I will not be available on any of these dates, as they just seem to
conflict ever so finely (like being in flight) with (yet another) US
trip I am taking (going to NC). Sorry.

							Satoshi

On Thu, 19 May 2005 11:21:07 -0500
Julie Wulf-Knoerzer <wulf at ggf.org> wrote:

wulf> Hi-
wulf> Please let me know if you are available next week (proposed times from 
wulf> original note reiterated below):
wulf> 
wulf> -Monday, May 23, 11:00a Central time,
wulf> -Wednesday, May 25, 9:00a Central time,
wulf> -Thursday, May 26, 9:00a Central time.
wulf> 
wulf> Discussion topics include:
wulf> *Area charter document status (deadline JUNE 1),
wulf> *Workshop call for GGF15,
wulf> *Community track call for content for GGF15.
wulf> 
wulf> Please let me know if/when you are available.
wulf> Thanks,
wulf> Julie
wulf> 
wulf> 
wulf> At 06:53 AM 5/12/2005 -0500, Julie Wulf-Knoerzer wrote:
wulf> >Dear all,
wulf> >As yesterday was the deadline for Community Track submissions, I wanted to 
wulf> >provide you with the details of what we received.  Attached, please find 
wulf> >the 'for-internal-use' GGF program matrix, as well as a summary of 
wulf> >submissions that we received.  Geoffrey and I been corresponding over the 
wulf> >past few weeks (both separately and with fellow members of the Event 
wulf> >Steering Committee) and have determined that the submissions fell under 
wulf> >the following categories:
wulf> >*WG/RG Workshops
wulf> >*Community Workshops
wulf> >*New Grid Communities
wulf> >*Practical Grids.
wulf> >
wulf> >Please let me know if you have issue with any of the program elements.  I 
wulf> >will be working with Joel Replogle to begin scheduling these sessions shortly.
wulf> >
wulf> >Also, I would like to schedule a Community Council telecon for the week of 
wulf> >May 23 - agenda items forthcoming.  Please let me know what day/time would 
wulf> >work best for you:
wulf> >-Monday, May 23, 11:00a Central time,
wulf> >-Wednesday, May 25, 9:00a Central time,
wulf> >Thursday, May 26, 9:00a Central time.
wulf> >
wulf> >Thanks,
wulf> >Julie
wulf> >
wulf> >P.S.  Another gentle reminder that we would like your area charter docs 
wulf> >before June 1st.
wulf> >
wulf> >
wulf> >
wulf> >+++++++++++++++++++
wulf> >***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
wulf> >Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
wulf> >Manager of Community Development
wulf> >wulf at ggf.org
wulf> >ph. 630/252-7163
wulf> >fax 630/252-4466
wulf> >
wulf> >
wulf> 
wulf> +++++++++++++++++++
wulf> ***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
wulf> Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
wulf> Manager of Community Development
wulf> wulf at ggf.org
wulf> ph. 630/252-7163
wulf> fax 630/252-4466
wulf> 

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?152-8550 ????????? 2-12-1	(?7??2F)
Tel/Fax 03-5734-3876 (?7??2F206) ??090-5811-8746 (FOMA-TV????) 
E-mail: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp
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From wulf at ggf.org  Tue May 24 15:41:54 2005
From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:41:54 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] GGF14 Community Program activities + proposed
  telecon
In-Reply-To: <20050520092721.EE82.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp>
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20050519111806.047dcf58@localhost>
 <5.1.1.6.2.20050512064335.01a4cd38@localhost>
 <5.1.1.6.2.20050519111806.047dcf58@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050524152951.0536ee80@localhost>

Dear all,
In lieu of a conference call this week (which I would still love to 
schedule if people are available - I have only received 2 replies to 
availability...), can you please let me know the status of your area 
charter documents?

I will be happy to draft CFPs for GGF15 that we can iterate over email in 
preparation for GGF14.

Per this morning's GFSG call, we will begin holding bi-weekly council 
telecons in June but I fear that one phone call prior to GGF14 will not be 
sufficient for the community council items that need to be covered.

Thank you for your cooperation.
Julie


At 01:08 PM 5/24/2005 +0900, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:

>I will not be available on any of these dates, as they just seem to
>conflict ever so finely (like being in flight) with (yet another) US
>trip I am taking (going to NC). Sorry.
>
>                                                         Satoshi
>
>On Thu, 19 May 2005 11:21:07 -0500
>Julie Wulf-Knoerzer <wulf at ggf.org> wrote:
>
>wulf> Hi-
>wulf> Please let me know if you are available next week (proposed times from
>wulf> original note reiterated below):
>wulf>
>wulf> -Monday, May 23, 11:00a Central time,
>wulf> -Wednesday, May 25, 9:00a Central time,
>wulf> -Thursday, May 26, 9:00a Central time.
>wulf>
>wulf> Discussion topics include:
>wulf> *Area charter document status (deadline JUNE 1),
>wulf> *Workshop call for GGF15,
>wulf> *Community track call for content for GGF15.
>wulf>
>wulf> Please let me know if/when you are available.
>wulf> Thanks,
>wulf> Julie
>wulf>
>wulf>
>wulf> At 06:53 AM 5/12/2005 -0500, Julie Wulf-Knoerzer wrote:
>wulf> >Dear all,
>wulf> >As yesterday was the deadline for Community Track submissions, I 
>wanted to
>wulf> >provide you with the details of what we received.  Attached, please 
>find
>wulf> >the 'for-internal-use' GGF program matrix, as well as a summary of
>wulf> >submissions that we received.  Geoffrey and I been corresponding 
>over the
>wulf> >past few weeks (both separately and with fellow members of the Event
>wulf> >Steering Committee) and have determined that the submissions fell 
>under
>wulf> >the following categories:
>wulf> >*WG/RG Workshops
>wulf> >*Community Workshops
>wulf> >*New Grid Communities
>wulf> >*Practical Grids.
>wulf> >
>wulf> >Please let me know if you have issue with any of the program 
>elements.  I
>wulf> >will be working with Joel Replogle to begin scheduling these 
>sessions shortly.
>wulf> >
>wulf> >Also, I would like to schedule a Community Council telecon for the 
>week of
>wulf> >May 23 - agenda items forthcoming.  Please let me know what 
>day/time would
>wulf> >work best for you:
>wulf> >-Monday, May 23, 11:00a Central time,
>wulf> >-Wednesday, May 25, 9:00a Central time,
>wulf> >Thursday, May 26, 9:00a Central time.
>wulf> >
>wulf> >Thanks,
>wulf> >Julie
>wulf> >
>wulf> >P.S.  Another gentle reminder that we would like your area charter 
>docs
>wulf> >before June 1st.
>wulf> >
>wulf> >
>wulf> >
>wulf> >+++++++++++++++++++
>wulf> >***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
>wulf> >Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
>wulf> >Manager of Community Development
>wulf> >wulf at ggf.org
>wulf> >ph. 630/252-7163
>wulf> >fax 630/252-4466
>wulf> >
>wulf> >
>wulf>
>wulf> +++++++++++++++++++
>wulf> ***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
>wulf> Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
>wulf> Manager of Community Development
>wulf> wulf at ggf.org
>wulf> ph. 630/252-7163
>wulf> fax 630/252-4466
>wulf>
>
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+++++++++++++++++++
***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
Manager of Community Development
wulf at ggf.org
ph. 630/252-7163
fax 630/252-4466




From craig at rush.aero.org  Tue May 24 16:22:45 2005
From: craig at rush.aero.org (Craig Lee)
Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:22:45 -0700
Subject: [CCGT] GGF14 Community Program activities + proposed
  telecon
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20050524152951.0536ee80@localhost>
References: <5.1.1.6.2.20050519111806.047dcf58@localhost>
 <5.1.1.6.2.20050512064335.01a4cd38@localhost>
 <5.1.1.6.2.20050519111806.047dcf58@localhost>
 <5.1.1.6.2.20050524152951.0536ee80@localhost>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050524141828.03859558@rush.aero.org>


Julie,

Both remaining days are out for me.  I've attached a ppt version of the 
Industrial Apps draft charter
that I've already sent to the acting Community VC (Geoffrey F.)

--Craig


At 01:41 PM 5/24/2005, Julie Wulf-Knoerzer wrote:
>Dear all,
>In lieu of a conference call this week (which I would still love to 
>schedule if people are available - I have only received 2 replies to 
>availability...), can you please let me know the status of your area 
>charter documents?
>
>I will be happy to draft CFPs for GGF15 that we can iterate over email in 
>preparation for GGF14.
>
>Per this morning's GFSG call, we will begin holding bi-weekly council 
>telecons in June but I fear that one phone call prior to GGF14 will not be 
>sufficient for the community council items that need to be covered.
>
>Thank you for your cooperation.
>Julie
>
>
>At 01:08 PM 5/24/2005 +0900, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
>
>>I will not be available on any of these dates, as they just seem to
>>conflict ever so finely (like being in flight) with (yet another) US
>>trip I am taking (going to NC). Sorry.
>>
>>                                                         Satoshi
>>
>>On Thu, 19 May 2005 11:21:07 -0500
>>Julie Wulf-Knoerzer <wulf at ggf.org> wrote:
>>
>>wulf> Hi-
>>wulf> Please let me know if you are available next week (proposed times from
>>wulf> original note reiterated below):
>>wulf>
>>wulf> -Monday, May 23, 11:00a Central time,
>>wulf> -Wednesday, May 25, 9:00a Central time,
>>wulf> -Thursday, May 26, 9:00a Central time.
>>wulf>
>>wulf> Discussion topics include:
>>wulf> *Area charter document status (deadline JUNE 1),
>>wulf> *Workshop call for GGF15,
>>wulf> *Community track call for content for GGF15.
>>wulf>
>>wulf> Please let me know if/when you are available.
>>wulf> Thanks,
>>wulf> Julie
>>wulf>
>>wulf>
>>wulf> At 06:53 AM 5/12/2005 -0500, Julie Wulf-Knoerzer wrote:
>>wulf> >Dear all,
>>wulf> >As yesterday was the deadline for Community Track submissions, I 
>>wanted to
>>wulf> >provide you with the details of what we received.  Attached, 
>>please find
>>wulf> >the 'for-internal-use' GGF program matrix, as well as a summary of
>>wulf> >submissions that we received.  Geoffrey and I been corresponding 
>>over the
>>wulf> >past few weeks (both separately and with fellow members of the Event
>>wulf> >Steering Committee) and have determined that the submissions fell 
>>under
>>wulf> >the following categories:
>>wulf> >*WG/RG Workshops
>>wulf> >*Community Workshops
>>wulf> >*New Grid Communities
>>wulf> >*Practical Grids.
>>wulf> >
>>wulf> >Please let me know if you have issue with any of the program 
>>elements.  I
>>wulf> >will be working with Joel Replogle to begin scheduling these 
>>sessions shortly.
>>wulf> >
>>wulf> >Also, I would like to schedule a Community Council telecon for the 
>>week of
>>wulf> >May 23 - agenda items forthcoming.  Please let me know what 
>>day/time would
>>wulf> >work best for you:
>>wulf> >-Monday, May 23, 11:00a Central time,
>>wulf> >-Wednesday, May 25, 9:00a Central time,
>>wulf> >Thursday, May 26, 9:00a Central time.
>>wulf> >
>>wulf> >Thanks,
>>wulf> >Julie
>>wulf> >
>>wulf> >P.S.  Another gentle reminder that we would like your area charter 
>>docs
>>wulf> >before June 1st.
>>wulf> >
>>wulf> >
>>wulf> >
>>wulf> >+++++++++++++++++++
>>wulf> >***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
>>wulf> >Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
>>wulf> >Manager of Community Development
>>wulf> >wulf at ggf.org
>>wulf> >ph. 630/252-7163
>>wulf> >fax 630/252-4466
>>wulf> >
>>wulf> >
>>wulf>
>>wulf> +++++++++++++++++++
>>wulf> ***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
>>wulf> Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
>>wulf> Manager of Community Development
>>wulf> wulf at ggf.org
>>wulf> ph. 630/252-7163
>>wulf> fax 630/252-4466
>>wulf>
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>+++++++++++++++++++
>***New contact information as of 16-Feb***
>Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
>Manager of Community Development
>wulf at ggf.org
>ph. 630/252-7163
>fax 630/252-4466
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