From gannon at cs.indiana.edu  Mon Aug  1 06:41:47 2005
From: gannon at cs.indiana.edu (Dennis Gannon)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 06:41:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [CCGT] GGF Talk (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0508010639220.25124@moose.cs.indiana.edu>

hi all,
sorry for the delay in getting back to you.  i have been
out of touch for the last few days.  as i promised, i asked
ian and andrew grimshaw when they would like to give talks.
as it turns out andrew prefers boston and ian prefers athens.
dennis

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 10:48:32 -0500
From: Ian Foster <foster at mcs.anl.gov>
To: Dennis Gannon <gannon at cs.indiana.edu>
Subject: GGF Talk

Dennis:

I think the Athens meeting will work better for me.

Ian.


_______________________________________________________________
Ian Foster                    www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster
Math & Computer Science Div.  Dept of Computer Science
Argonne National Laboratory   The University of Chicago
Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A.     Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A.
Tel: 630 252 4619             Fax: 630 252 1997
         Globus Alliance, www.globus.org




From wulf at ggf.org  Wed Aug  3 12:44:33 2005
From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 12:44:33 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] GridWorld/GGF15 Tutorial status
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050803123544.04aa3a10@localhost>

Hi all,
Just a quick status update on tutorials since last week's call:

-Portals Tutorial (proposal received)
-Grids for Managers (lessons learned from GGF14 document attached.  I 
intend to encourage them to submit a proposal shortly.)
-Globus 4.0 (I have contacted the Globus folks about their 'hands-on' 
tutorial - they are interested)
-OGSA-DAI (I sent a note to Neil but have not heard back).

Hopefully we will have all proposals for discussion on next week's call.

-Julie


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Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
Manager of Community Development
Global Grid Forum
wulf at ggf.org
ph. 630/252-7163
fax 630/252-4466
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From wulf at ggf.org  Wed Aug  3 17:05:19 2005
From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer)
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:05:19 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] GGF14 survey comments and GridWorld/GGF15
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050803170432.04af8c18@localhost>

Dear all,
Below, you will find some community-oriented suggestions that I have 
extracted from the GGF14 attendee surveys.  If possible, I would like you 
to take a look at the attendee feedback below and identify projects (and/or 
individuals) that we might solicit directly for the GGF15 Community 
Program.  The complete CFP (along with online submission) can be found at 
http://www.ggf.org/ggf_events_communityInvolvment_ggf15.htm.
As you know, the deadline for the Community CFP is next week, 
12-Aug.  Please feel free to send your suggestions to me and I will send 
the CFP on behalf of the community council.
Thanks,
Julie

+++++++++++++++++++++++
Please enter suggestions for research areas for the GridWorld/GGF-15 
Enterprise and Community Programs?
?Nanotechnology
?Are there hardware requirements?
?Space/Astronomy/Planetary Science
?apps of grid technology
?Semantic Grid
?Real world examples of Grid adoption in enterprises, challenges & success 
stories, do?s and don?ts for others who are considering grids
?Equipment Grid
?Community programs: Earth Science groups
?Grid security, UO- Management
?How to get up an Enterprise Grid (practically: what to install, what to 
tweak etc)
?Medical/ Health
?Automation of the ?grid-enabling? process for applications.
?I am not sure what you mean by ?research areas.? If you mean industries or 
professions, I would suggest: financial services, insurance, pharmaceuticals.
?Applications
?Integration of Grid and AIM(?)

Please enter any suggestions you have about helping GGF to engage new 
communities?
?Provide general grid background information on website
?Be more open and promote your openers
?Clear value proposition for engaging with GGF
?Joint sessions
?Try to co-locate important events of communities
?Tutorials on day before workshop
?Difficult. One advise: don?t overpromise! What can GGF offer now?
?Road show showing GGF technology to users
?Webpage that provides lines to different area in vertical markets.
?Develop a ?marketing plan?
?Re-design the website. People new to the site will not understand areas, 
Groups (working and research), communities, but navigating the site seems 
to be oriented around these entities.
?Success stories. Product showcase.
?More industry and commercial focus, perhaps with EGA
?Provide workshops for grid beginners.

+++++++++++++++++++
Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
Manager of Community Development
Global Grid Forum
wulf at ggf.org
ph. 630/252-7163
fax 630/252-4466




From lfm at psc.edu  Fri Aug  5 13:58:20 2005
From: lfm at psc.edu (Laura F McGinnis)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 14:58:20 -0400
Subject: [CCGT] Re: GGF15 Workshop Proposal - Campus Grids
In-Reply-To: <20050726172314.2D13.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050725123616.02962f20@pscuxb.psc.edu>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20050725123616.02962f20@pscuxb.psc.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050805145759.02fdf230@pscuxb.psc.edu>

Has there been a decision about this Workshop? We need to start planning.

thx
LM

At 05:24 PM 7/26/2005 +0900, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:

>Laura,
>
>I am forwarding the proposal to the entire community council. Thanks.
>
>                                                                 Satoshi
>
>On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:40:09 -0400
>Laura F McGinnis <lfm at psc.edu> wrote:
>
>lfm> Dennis & Satoshi -
>lfm>
>lfm> I have attached a document to propose a workshop on Campus Grids at 
>GGF15.
>lfm> I believe we have included all of the relvant details. If there is 
>anything
>lfm> missing or unclear, please let me know.
>lfm>
>lfm> I hope you are the right people to be sending this to. If not, please
>lfm> forward appropriately and let me know who the correct contacts are.
>lfm>
>lfm> thx
>lfm> LM
>lfm>
>lfm> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>lfm> Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator
>lfm> Data & Information Resource Services
>lfm> Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center                      email: lfm at psc.edu
>lfm> 4400 Fifth Avenue, # 409D                                  voice: 
>412-268-5642
>lfm> Pittsburgh, PA  15213                                           fax:
>lfm> 412-268-8200
>lfm> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>$BEl5~9)6HBg3X!!3X=Q9q:]>pJs%;%s%?!<!!65<x!!>>2,Ao(B
>$B")(B152-8550 $BEl5~ETL\9u6hBg2,;3(B 2-12-1    ($B@>(B7$B9f4[(B2F)
>Tel/Fax 03-5734-3876 ($B@>(B7$B9f4[(B2F206) $B7HBS(B090-5811-8746 
>(FOMA-TV$BEEOC2DG=(B)
>E-mail: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp
>$BHk=q!'6aF#(B  secretary at matsulab.is.titech.ac.jp

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator
Data & Information Resource Services
Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center                      email: lfm at psc.edu
4400 Fifth Avenue, # 409D                                  voice: 412-268-5642
Pittsburgh, PA  15213                                           fax: 
412-268-8200
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




From gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu  Fri Aug  5 15:49:24 2005
From: gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu (Geoffrey Fox)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 15:49:24 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] Re: GGF15 Workshop Proposal - Campus Grids
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20050805145759.02fdf230@pscuxb.psc.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050725123616.02962f20@pscuxb.psc.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050725123616.02962f20@pscuxb.psc.edu> <5.1.0.14.2.20050805145759.02fdf230@pscuxb.psc.edu>
Message-ID: <42F3D0D4.4040501@grids.ucs.indiana.edu>

We need to wait till formal closing of solicitation August 12
Could you please formally submit proposal to
http://www.ggf.org/ggf_events_communityInvolvment_ggf15.htm
I think you have the information -- this way its in our system
Thank you

Laura F McGinnis wrote:

> Has there been a decision about this Workshop? We need to start planning.
>
> thx
> LM
>
> At 05:24 PM 7/26/2005 +0900, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
>
>> Laura,
>>
>> I am forwarding the proposal to the entire community council. Thanks.
>>
>>                                                                 Satoshi
>>
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:40:09 -0400
>> Laura F McGinnis <lfm at psc.edu> wrote:
>>
>> lfm> Dennis & Satoshi -
>> lfm>
>> lfm> I have attached a document to propose a workshop on Campus Grids 
>> at GGF15.
>> lfm> I believe we have included all of the relvant details. If there 
>> is anything
>> lfm> missing or unclear, please let me know.
>> lfm>
>> lfm> I hope you are the right people to be sending this to. If not, 
>> please
>> lfm> forward appropriately and let me know who the correct contacts are.
>> lfm>
>> lfm> thx
>> lfm> LM
>> lfm>
>> lfm> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> lfm> Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator
>> lfm> Data & Information Resource Services
>> lfm> Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center                      email: 
>> lfm at psc.edu
>> lfm> 4400 Fifth Avenue, # 409D                                  
>> voice: 412-268-5642
>> lfm> Pittsburgh, PA  15213                                           
>> fax:
>> lfm> 412-268-8200
>> lfm> 
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> $BEl5~9)6HBg3X!!3X=Q9q:]>pJs%;%s%?!<!!65<x!!>>2,Ao(B
>> $B")(B152-8550 $BEl5~ETL\9u6hBg2,;3(B 2-12-1    ($B@>(B7$B9f4[(B2F)
>> Tel/Fax 03-5734-3876 ($B@>(B7$B9f4[(B2F206) $B7HBS(B090-5811-8746 
>> (FOMA-TV$BEEOC2DG=(B)
>> E-mail: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp
>> $BHk=q!'6aF#(B  secretary at matsulab.is.titech.ac.jp
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator
> Data & Information Resource Services
> Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center                      email: lfm at psc.edu
> 4400 Fifth Avenue, # 409D                                  voice: 
> 412-268-5642
> Pittsburgh, PA  15213                                           fax: 
> 412-268-8200
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>

-- 
:
: Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
: Phones Cell 812-219-4643  Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977




From lfm at psc.edu  Fri Aug  5 16:28:05 2005
From: lfm at psc.edu (Laura F McGinnis)
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 17:28:05 -0400
Subject: [CCGT] Re: GGF15 Workshop Proposal - Campus Grids
In-Reply-To: <42F3D0D4.4040501@grids.ucs.indiana.edu>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20050805145759.02fdf230@pscuxb.psc.edu>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20050725123616.02962f20@pscuxb.psc.edu>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20050725123616.02962f20@pscuxb.psc.edu>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20050805145759.02fdf230@pscuxb.psc.edu>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20050805172724.02989370@pscuxb.psc.edu>

Done. If there's anything else you need, please let me know.

thx
LM

At 03:49 PM 8/5/2005 -0500, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
>We need to wait till formal closing of solicitation August 12
>Could you please formally submit proposal to
>http://www.ggf.org/ggf_events_communityInvolvment_ggf15.htm
>I think you have the information -- this way its in our system
>Thank you
>
>Laura F McGinnis wrote:
>
>>Has there been a decision about this Workshop? We need to start planning.
>>
>>thx
>>LM
>>
>>At 05:24 PM 7/26/2005 +0900, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
>>
>>>Laura,
>>>
>>>I am forwarding the proposal to the entire community council. Thanks.
>>>
>>>                                                                 Satoshi
>>>
>>>On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:40:09 -0400
>>>Laura F McGinnis <lfm at psc.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>lfm> Dennis & Satoshi -
>>>lfm>
>>>lfm> I have attached a document to propose a workshop on Campus Grids at 
>>>GGF15.
>>>lfm> I believe we have included all of the relvant details. If there is 
>>>anything
>>>lfm> missing or unclear, please let me know.
>>>lfm>
>>>lfm> I hope you are the right people to be sending this to. If not, please
>>>lfm> forward appropriately and let me know who the correct contacts are.
>>>lfm>
>>>lfm> thx
>>>lfm> LM
>>>lfm>
>>>lfm> 
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>lfm> Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator
>>>lfm> Data & Information Resource Services
>>>lfm> Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center                      email: 
>>>lfm at psc.edu
>>>lfm> 4400 Fifth Avenue, # 409D
>>>voice: 412-268-5642
>>>lfm> Pittsburgh, PA  15213
>>>fax:
>>>lfm> 412-268-8200
>>>lfm> 
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>$BEl5~9)6HBg3X!!3X=Q9q:]>pJs%;%s%?!<!!65<x!!>>2,Ao(B
>>>$B")(B152-8550 $BEl5~ETL\9u6hBg2,;3(B 2-12-1    ($B@>(B7$B9f4[(B2F)
>>>Tel/Fax 03-5734-3876 ($B@>(B7$B9f4[(B2F206) $B7HBS(B090-5811-8746 
>>>(FOMA-TV$BEEOC2DG=(B)
>>>E-mail: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp
>>>$BHk=q!'6aF#(B  secretary at matsulab.is.titech.ac.jp
>>
>>
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator
>>Data & Information Resource Services
>>Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center                      email: lfm at psc.edu
>>4400 Fifth Avenue, # 409D                                  voice: 
>>412-268-5642
>>Pittsburgh, PA  15213                                           fax: 
>>412-268-8200
>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>
>--
>:
>: Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
>: Phones Cell 812-219-4643  Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Laura F. McGinnis, Project Coordinator
Data & Information Resource Services
Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center                      email: lfm at psc.edu
4400 Fifth Avenue, # 409D                                  voice: 412-268-5642
Pittsburgh, PA  15213                                           fax: 
412-268-8200
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++




From wulf at ggf.org  Mon Aug  8 14:35:09 2005
From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 14:35:09 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] No call tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20050803170432.04af8c18@localhost>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050808143123.04978ab0@localhost>

Hi all,
We have decided not to have a community call tomorrow.  We'll plan to talk 
after next week's GFSG telecon to discuss the community program for 
GridWorld/GGF15.  In the meantime, please send me any program suggestions 
you might have.
Thanks,
Julie


At 05:05 PM 8/3/2005 -0500, Julie Wulf-Knoerzer wrote:
>Dear all,
>Below, you will find some community-oriented suggestions that I have 
>extracted from the GGF14 attendee surveys.  If possible, I would like you 
>to take a look at the attendee feedback below and identify projects 
>(and/or individuals) that we might solicit directly for the GGF15 
>Community Program.  The complete CFP (along with online submission) can be 
>found at http://www.ggf.org/ggf_events_communityInvolvment_ggf15.htm.
>As you know, the deadline for the Community CFP is next week, 
>12-Aug.  Please feel free to send your suggestions to me and I will send 
>the CFP on behalf of the community council.
>Thanks,
>Julie
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++
>Please enter suggestions for research areas for the GridWorld/GGF-15 
>Enterprise and Community Programs?
>?Nanotechnology
>?Are there hardware requirements?
>?Space/Astronomy/Planetary Science
>?apps of grid technology
>?Semantic Grid
>?Real world examples of Grid adoption in enterprises, challenges & success 
>stories, do?s and don?ts for others who are considering grids
>?Equipment Grid
>?Community programs: Earth Science groups
>?Grid security, UO- Management
>?How to get up an Enterprise Grid (practically: what to install, what to 
>tweak etc)
>?Medical/ Health
>?Automation of the ?grid-enabling? process for applications.
>?I am not sure what you mean by ?research areas.? If you mean industries 
>or professions, I would suggest: financial services, insurance, 
>pharmaceuticals.
>?Applications
>?Integration of Grid and AIM(?)
>
>Please enter any suggestions you have about helping GGF to engage new 
>communities?
>?Provide general grid background information on website
>?Be more open and promote your openers
>?Clear value proposition for engaging with GGF
>?Joint sessions
>?Try to co-locate important events of communities
>?Tutorials on day before workshop
>?Difficult. One advise: don?t overpromise! What can GGF offer now?
>?Road show showing GGF technology to users
>?Webpage that provides lines to different area in vertical markets.
>?Develop a ?marketing plan?
>?Re-design the website. People new to the site will not understand areas, 
>Groups (working and research), communities, but navigating the site seems 
>to be oriented around these entities.
>?Success stories. Product showcase.
>?More industry and commercial focus, perhaps with EGA
>?Provide workshops for grid beginners.
>
>+++++++++++++++++++
>Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
>Manager of Community Development
>Global Grid Forum
>wulf at ggf.org
>ph. 630/252-7163
>fax 630/252-4466

+++++++++++++++++++
Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
Manager of Community Development
Global Grid Forum
wulf at ggf.org
ph. 630/252-7163
fax 630/252-4466




From wulf at ggf.org  Mon Aug 15 15:53:55 2005
From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:53:55 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] GridWorld/GGF15 Community program + telecon tomorrow
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050812130225.0556bb18@localhost>

Hi all,
As noted last week, please plan to spend additional time after tomorrow's 
bi-weekly policy call to discuss proposals for the community track at 
GridWorld/GGF15.  Attached, you will find the submission details (apologies 
for the length - all text fields were copied directly from submissions in 
no particular order) as well as the program matrix that I will populate 
with the community program selections (we are responsible for the green 
fields).

In total, community will have 23 90-minute sessions (25 if we include the 2 
community keynotes on Mon and Thurs) but we currently have 30 90 minute 
session proposals.

Monday tutorials will include:
Portals
Grid Primer for Managers Tutorial

Thursday tutorials will include:
Building a Java Grid Service with Globus Toolkit v4 (I may need to check 
with them to see if this is do-able in the time available)
OGSA-DAI.

Please take a few moments to review the attachments prior to the call, 
paying attention to:
*appropriateness for the community track (we decided at GGF14 that emphasis 
should be on applications and/or technologies),
*ordering of the submissions.

Thank you in advance for your participation!
Julie










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Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
Manager of Community Development
Global Grid Forum
wulf at ggf.org
ph. 630/252-7163
fax 630/252-4466
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From gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu  Tue Aug 16 16:19:33 2005
From: gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu (Geoffrey Fox)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:19:33 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] Community Activities at Meetings
Message-ID: <43025865.6070605@grids.ucs.indiana.edu>

Please comment on the analysis below that is meant
to summarize my thoughts on what we have learnt so far
It was requested by Mark at last events steering group call
Below I view Enterprise as a particular (large important)
community and so I don't differentiate it.

GGF Community Challenges and Strategy
-------------------------------------------
I think the CC (Community Council) has as promised successfully
developed and executed a community focus for GGF14
and should probably succeed in similar way for GGF15.
We have not published as promised a community participation
guide or charter documents for all areas. (Industrial
Applications are one where a draft exists)

Let us discuss the nature of community activities and why
there are difficulties in putting participation and
charter documents in writing. First note that currently
at least, all GGF-related community activities are
associated with GGF meetings although of course
communities associated with GGF do lots of things outside
GGF.

Communities are attracted to GGF meetings presumably
partly due to the effectiveness of organization of an
event at GGF meetings but other organizations can compete
here. I suggest that dominant attraction of communities
to GGF is the synergy between the community event and
other GGF meeting activities. This synergy comes from both
standards and other community activities. In particular a
particular community member benefits from attending other events and
individuals primarily attracted to GGF for other reasons,
attend the community event and so enhance it.

Given the synergy observation, it suggests that we need
to think about the community from both particular
functional areas as now but also from the synergy point
of view. The need to have synergy implies
a) The main role of area director is to to catalyze the
interest of communities to have GGF related events
b) The success of the events is partly connected to
contacting people within given community but also in
having other synergistic activities
c) The attraction of a particular GGF meeting depends on
its geographical area and the existence of both standards
and community activities or some other synergy as
explored in 4) below.
    1) Thus it is doubtful if GGF events outside USA
    will succeed unless there is effort and people
    devoted to exploiting geographical synergies --
    we saw this working in last Korea GGF meeting.
    2) It is not going to be easy to make events
    successful unless they have both standards and
    community components. Thus partnering community
    with a standards-free Gridworld in 2006 seems
    challenging as we will miss standards people
    synergy.
    3) It is not clear if communities can get
    momentum with one event per year; it is certain
    that they need at least one per year. 2006 with
    at most one event in USA will be challenging and
    after GGF15 we will be challenged to maintain
    momentum with the next USA event at least a
    year away. This is not to say Athens and Japan in
    2006 will not succeed but rather their community
    events will have a regional flavor and will have
    significant input from local people. I discuss the
    challenge to maintain interest in communities
    with a USA bias in 2006.
    4) I think it is important to experiment with a
    low-key regional GGF event in USA (the mid-west
    or equivalent such geographically focused event.)
    This could be community only, held in late spring
    2006 (six months after Boston), and have a mix of "international"
    communities interested in a USA meeting then but
    with main drive from Grid communities in the
    chosen geographical region,.
    5) We need to structure the community council with
    people able to deliver on synergies. We need either
    directors or advisers able to deliver on geographical
    synergies.

Please comment
Thank you!

-- 
:
: Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
: Phones Cell 812-219-4643  Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977




From craig at rush.aero.org  Tue Aug 16 20:37:45 2005
From: craig at rush.aero.org (Craig Lee)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 18:37:45 -0700
Subject: [CCGT] Community Activities at Meetings
In-Reply-To: <43025865.6070605@grids.ucs.indiana.edu>
References: <43025865.6070605@grids.ucs.indiana.edu>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.1.20050816162832.02ba9da8@rush.aero.org>


Geoffrey,

Your analysis raises several recurring themes together.

1) The synergy between standards and community is one of the
    key strengths of GGF.  {I have asked academics why they
    come to GGF (a standards body) and it is because GGF
    is where interesting things are happening.}

2) Meeting cadence can greatly determine community building
    success.  As you say, it is hard to build and keep
    momentum if groups meet infrequently.

3) Regional GGFs.  Travel support is an issue and if there
    were more "local" GGFs, we could perhaps increase our
    routine/repeat participation.  (People would not have to wait
    for GGF to "come to town").  Regional GGFs would certainly
    have a regional emphasis, as determined by the participants.
    Hence, the onus would be on the Global GGF ;-> to integrate
    and coordinate their activities.

This raises the dilemma of no US meeting in 2006.  With no US
meeting in 2006, a significant segment of our constituents may
not be able to participate in a meeting.  But a US regional
community meeting without the standards people will be lacking.

We could do nothing and concentrate on our current plan, or
we could, as you say, experiment with a community-only, regional
US meeting, perhaps partnered with GridWorld.  If we do do this,
we should really target those groups that need to have a US
meeting, regardless of whether they are existing or in development.

Looking at the current groups, this might include HASS, ACE,
GCE, PGS, and UPDT.  The could also be an opportunity for the
Telecom group to get US companies to participate in a meeting,
e.g., the AT&Ts, and the Sprints, etc.  The proposed Reliability RG
had a great BoF in Brussels but then fizzled before getting to
Seoul.  Maybe this could help them get started again.  We could
also use this as an opportunity to organize meetings in areas
such as pharma, NCO, or whoever else that would attend a GridWorld
as opposed to a GGF.

--Craig



At 02:19 PM 8/16/2005, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
>Please comment on the analysis below that is meant
>to summarize my thoughts on what we have learnt so far
>It was requested by Mark at last events steering group call
>Below I view Enterprise as a particular (large important)
>community and so I don't differentiate it.
>
>GGF Community Challenges and Strategy
>-------------------------------------------
>I think the CC (Community Council) has as promised successfully
>developed and executed a community focus for GGF14
>and should probably succeed in similar way for GGF15.
>We have not published as promised a community participation
>guide or charter documents for all areas. (Industrial
>Applications are one where a draft exists)
>
>Let us discuss the nature of community activities and why
>there are difficulties in putting participation and
>charter documents in writing. First note that currently
>at least, all GGF-related community activities are
>associated with GGF meetings although of course
>communities associated with GGF do lots of things outside
>GGF.
>
>Communities are attracted to GGF meetings presumably
>partly due to the effectiveness of organization of an
>event at GGF meetings but other organizations can compete
>here. I suggest that dominant attraction of communities
>to GGF is the synergy between the community event and
>other GGF meeting activities. This synergy comes from both
>standards and other community activities. In particular a
>particular community member benefits from attending other events and
>individuals primarily attracted to GGF for other reasons,
>attend the community event and so enhance it.
>
>Given the synergy observation, it suggests that we need
>to think about the community from both particular
>functional areas as now but also from the synergy point
>of view. The need to have synergy implies
>a) The main role of area director is to to catalyze the
>interest of communities to have GGF related events
>b) The success of the events is partly connected to
>contacting people within given community but also in
>having other synergistic activities
>c) The attraction of a particular GGF meeting depends on
>its geographical area and the existence of both standards
>and community activities or some other synergy as
>explored in 4) below.
>    1) Thus it is doubtful if GGF events outside USA
>    will succeed unless there is effort and people
>    devoted to exploiting geographical synergies --
>    we saw this working in last Korea GGF meeting.
>    2) It is not going to be easy to make events
>    successful unless they have both standards and
>    community components. Thus partnering community
>    with a standards-free Gridworld in 2006 seems
>    challenging as we will miss standards people
>    synergy.
>    3) It is not clear if communities can get
>    momentum with one event per year; it is certain
>    that they need at least one per year. 2006 with
>    at most one event in USA will be challenging and
>    after GGF15 we will be challenged to maintain
>    momentum with the next USA event at least a
>    year away. This is not to say Athens and Japan in
>    2006 will not succeed but rather their community
>    events will have a regional flavor and will have
>    significant input from local people. I discuss the
>    challenge to maintain interest in communities
>    with a USA bias in 2006.
>    4) I think it is important to experiment with a
>    low-key regional GGF event in USA (the mid-west
>    or equivalent such geographically focused event.)
>    This could be community only, held in late spring
>    2006 (six months after Boston), and have a mix of "international"
>    communities interested in a USA meeting then but
>    with main drive from Grid communities in the
>    chosen geographical region,.
>    5) We need to structure the community council with
>    people able to deliver on synergies. We need either
>    directors or advisers able to deliver on geographical
>    synergies.
>
>Please comment
>Thank you!
>
>--
>:
>: Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
>: Phones Cell 812-219-4643  Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977




From gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu  Tue Aug 16 23:03:58 2005
From: gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu (Geoffrey Fox)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:03:58 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] Community Activities at Meetings
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.1.20050816162832.02ba9da8@rush.aero.org>
References: <43025865.6070605@grids.ucs.indiana.edu> <6.0.1.1.1.20050816162832.02ba9da8@rush.aero.org>
Message-ID: <4302B72E.7070202@grids.ucs.indiana.edu>

Thank you -- I think we agree
Julie will try to analyze sign up sheets to find for each participant how
many hours they spent in different GGF activities and so document synergy

I believe in 2006 there is bound to be a Gridworld in fall 2006 but
what standards/community activities are associated is unclear --
partly as nature of Geneva GGF is unclear (maybe it moves to 2007?)

However I believe that just one uncertain GGF event in USA in 2006
and at end of year is not sufficient. We need a USA activity between
the 2005 and 2006 Gridworlds.

Craig Lee wrote:

>
> Geoffrey,
>
> Your analysis raises several recurring themes together.
>
> 1) The synergy between standards and community is one of the
>    key strengths of GGF.  {I have asked academics why they
>    come to GGF (a standards body) and it is because GGF
>    is where interesting things are happening.}
>
> 2) Meeting cadence can greatly determine community building
>    success.  As you say, it is hard to build and keep
>    momentum if groups meet infrequently.
>
> 3) Regional GGFs.  Travel support is an issue and if there
>    were more "local" GGFs, we could perhaps increase our
>    routine/repeat participation.  (People would not have to wait
>    for GGF to "come to town").  Regional GGFs would certainly
>    have a regional emphasis, as determined by the participants.
>    Hence, the onus would be on the Global GGF ;-> to integrate
>    and coordinate their activities.
>
> This raises the dilemma of no US meeting in 2006.  With no US
> meeting in 2006, a significant segment of our constituents may
> not be able to participate in a meeting.  But a US regional
> community meeting without the standards people will be lacking.
>
> We could do nothing and concentrate on our current plan, or
> we could, as you say, experiment with a community-only, regional
> US meeting, perhaps partnered with GridWorld.  If we do do this,
> we should really target those groups that need to have a US
> meeting, regardless of whether they are existing or in development.
>
> Looking at the current groups, this might include HASS, ACE,
> GCE, PGS, and UPDT.  The could also be an opportunity for the
> Telecom group to get US companies to participate in a meeting,
> e.g., the AT&Ts, and the Sprints, etc.  The proposed Reliability RG
> had a great BoF in Brussels but then fizzled before getting to
> Seoul.  Maybe this could help them get started again.  We could
> also use this as an opportunity to organize meetings in areas
> such as pharma, NCO, or whoever else that would attend a GridWorld
> as opposed to a GGF.
>
> --Craig
>
>
>
> At 02:19 PM 8/16/2005, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
>
>> Please comment on the analysis below that is meant
>> to summarize my thoughts on what we have learnt so far
>> It was requested by Mark at last events steering group call
>> Below I view Enterprise as a particular (large important)
>> community and so I don't differentiate it.
>>
>> GGF Community Challenges and Strategy
>> -------------------------------------------
>> I think the CC (Community Council) has as promised successfully
>> developed and executed a community focus for GGF14
>> and should probably succeed in similar way for GGF15.
>> We have not published as promised a community participation
>> guide or charter documents for all areas. (Industrial
>> Applications are one where a draft exists)
>>
>> Let us discuss the nature of community activities and why
>> there are difficulties in putting participation and
>> charter documents in writing. First note that currently
>> at least, all GGF-related community activities are
>> associated with GGF meetings although of course
>> communities associated with GGF do lots of things outside
>> GGF.
>>
>> Communities are attracted to GGF meetings presumably
>> partly due to the effectiveness of organization of an
>> event at GGF meetings but other organizations can compete
>> here. I suggest that dominant attraction of communities
>> to GGF is the synergy between the community event and
>> other GGF meeting activities. This synergy comes from both
>> standards and other community activities. In particular a
>> particular community member benefits from attending other events and
>> individuals primarily attracted to GGF for other reasons,
>> attend the community event and so enhance it.
>>
>> Given the synergy observation, it suggests that we need
>> to think about the community from both particular
>> functional areas as now but also from the synergy point
>> of view. The need to have synergy implies
>> a) The main role of area director is to to catalyze the
>> interest of communities to have GGF related events
>> b) The success of the events is partly connected to
>> contacting people within given community but also in
>> having other synergistic activities
>> c) The attraction of a particular GGF meeting depends on
>> its geographical area and the existence of both standards
>> and community activities or some other synergy as
>> explored in 4) below.
>>    1) Thus it is doubtful if GGF events outside USA
>>    will succeed unless there is effort and people
>>    devoted to exploiting geographical synergies --
>>    we saw this working in last Korea GGF meeting.
>>    2) It is not going to be easy to make events
>>    successful unless they have both standards and
>>    community components. Thus partnering community
>>    with a standards-free Gridworld in 2006 seems
>>    challenging as we will miss standards people
>>    synergy.
>>    3) It is not clear if communities can get
>>    momentum with one event per year; it is certain
>>    that they need at least one per year. 2006 with
>>    at most one event in USA will be challenging and
>>    after GGF15 we will be challenged to maintain
>>    momentum with the next USA event at least a
>>    year away. This is not to say Athens and Japan in
>>    2006 will not succeed but rather their community
>>    events will have a regional flavor and will have
>>    significant input from local people. I discuss the
>>    challenge to maintain interest in communities
>>    with a USA bias in 2006.
>>    4) I think it is important to experiment with a
>>    low-key regional GGF event in USA (the mid-west
>>    or equivalent such geographically focused event.)
>>    This could be community only, held in late spring
>>    2006 (six months after Boston), and have a mix of "international"
>>    communities interested in a USA meeting then but
>>    with main drive from Grid communities in the
>>    chosen geographical region,.
>>    5) We need to structure the community council with
>>    people able to deliver on synergies. We need either
>>    directors or advisers able to deliver on geographical
>>    synergies.
>>
>> Please comment
>> Thank you!
>>
>> -- 
>> :
>> : Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
>> : Phones Cell 812-219-4643  Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977
>
>
>

-- 
:
: Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
: Phones Cell 812-219-4643  Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977




From wstewart at sgi.com  Wed Aug 17 08:28:16 2005
From: wstewart at sgi.com (Walter Stewart)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 06:28:16 -0700
Subject: [CCGT] RE: Community Activities at Meetings
Message-ID: <9BEB932202A05B488722B05D2374A1DA10A1DF@mtv-amer001e--3.americas.sgi.com>

I am essentially in agreement with Geoffrey's analysis.  I would also say that we need to review things after Boston to see how GGF activities and Grid World work together.

Walter 



Walter Stewart
Director Business Development SGI Canada
Global Co-ordinator SGI Grid Strategy
Directeur du d?veloppement des affaires SGI Canada
Co-ordonnateur mondial de strat?gie "Grid Computing"
905-282-8997


-----Original Message-----
From: Geoffrey Fox [mailto:gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu] 
Sent: 16 August 2005 17:20
To: CCGT at ggf.org
Cc: Linesch, Mark; Julie Wulf-Knoerzer; Steve Crumb; Ann M. Collins; Walter Stewart
Subject: Community Activities at Meetings

Please comment on the analysis below that is meant to summarize my thoughts on what we have learnt so far It was requested by Mark at last events steering group call Below I view Enterprise as a particular (large important) community and so I don't differentiate it.

GGF Community Challenges and Strategy
-------------------------------------------
I think the CC (Community Council) has as promised successfully developed and executed a community focus for GGF14 and should probably succeed in similar way for GGF15.
We have not published as promised a community participation guide or charter documents for all areas. (Industrial Applications are one where a draft exists)

Let us discuss the nature of community activities and why there are difficulties in putting participation and charter documents in writing. First note that currently at least, all GGF-related community activities are associated with GGF meetings although of course communities associated with GGF do lots of things outside GGF.

Communities are attracted to GGF meetings presumably partly due to the effectiveness of organization of an event at GGF meetings but other organizations can compete here. I suggest that dominant attraction of communities to GGF is the synergy between the community event and other GGF meeting activities. This synergy comes from both standards and other community activities. In particular a particular community member benefits from attending other events and individuals primarily attracted to GGF for other reasons, attend the community event and so enhance it.

Given the synergy observation, it suggests that we need to think about the community from both particular functional areas as now but also from the synergy point of view. The need to have synergy implies
a) The main role of area director is to to catalyze the interest of communities to have GGF related events
b) The success of the events is partly connected to contacting people within given community but also in having other synergistic activities
c) The attraction of a particular GGF meeting depends on its geographical area and the existence of both standards and community activities or some other synergy as explored in 4) below.
    1) Thus it is doubtful if GGF events outside USA
    will succeed unless there is effort and people
    devoted to exploiting geographical synergies --
    we saw this working in last Korea GGF meeting.
    2) It is not going to be easy to make events
    successful unless they have both standards and
    community components. Thus partnering community
    with a standards-free Gridworld in 2006 seems
    challenging as we will miss standards people
    synergy.
    3) It is not clear if communities can get
    momentum with one event per year; it is certain
    that they need at least one per year. 2006 with
    at most one event in USA will be challenging and
    after GGF15 we will be challenged to maintain
    momentum with the next USA event at least a
    year away. This is not to say Athens and Japan in
    2006 will not succeed but rather their community
    events will have a regional flavor and will have
    significant input from local people. I discuss the
    challenge to maintain interest in communities
    with a USA bias in 2006.
    4) I think it is important to experiment with a
    low-key regional GGF event in USA (the mid-west
    or equivalent such geographically focused event.)
    This could be community only, held in late spring
    2006 (six months after Boston), and have a mix of "international"
    communities interested in a USA meeting then but
    with main drive from Grid communities in the
    chosen geographical region,.
    5) We need to structure the community council with
    people able to deliver on synergies. We need either
    directors or advisers able to deliver on geographical
    synergies.

Please comment
Thank you!

--
:
: Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
: Phones Cell 812-219-4643  Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977




From wulf at ggf.org  Wed Aug 17 11:57:31 2005
From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 11:57:31 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] GGF15 Community Program and ACTIONS
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050817103420.04ac0710@localhost>

Dear all,
Thanks again for spending additional time on yesterday's call to discuss 
the community program for GridWorld/GGF15.

Key Community Council Items and Actions:
*CC members on the call expressed no concerns over non-individual 
submissions or tutorials.  We ask that other CC members provide 
YES/NO/MAYBE about remaining submissions before Friday.  If MAYBE or NO, 
please provide any concerns or comments.
*Please provide any tutorial comments by Thursday morning.  We intend to 
begin collecting registration early next week.

*We will attempt to merge individual submissions to other group submissions 
or seek strong endorsement from ADs by Friday before populating the 
schedule matrix (Julie to handle).

Individual submissions and actions include:
-Condor-Shib:  Connecting the Upper and Lower Layers of the Middleware 
Stack in Computational Grids
Potentially add to GridShib workshop - send to Von Welch for adoption.

-User Management and Access Control within the Grid
Endorsement sought from Ken Klingenstein's area.

-Globus and OGSA-DAI in practice: A report from Georgetown University on 
participation in the National Cancer Institute Center for Bioinformatics 
caBIG project Architecture workspace, with a live demonstration of the 
caBIG grid
Potentially add to LifeSciences workshop - send to Dave Angulo for adoption.

-Provisioning & Managing Switching Infrastructure as a Grid Resource
Potential for enterprise program - send to Mark and Steve for advice.

Attached, you will find a document containing the proposals (minus the 
individual submissions above).

Your timely feedback is appreciated - thanks!
Julie



+++++++++++++++++++
Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
Manager of Community Development
Global Grid Forum
wulf at ggf.org
ph. 630/252-7163
fax 630/252-4466
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From wulf at ggf.org  Mon Aug 22 15:32:39 2005
From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:32:39 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] Community Council Telecon
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050822151806.04694ec8@localhost>

Hi all,
Just a reminder of tomorrow's community call which will be held at 10:00a 
central time (reminder:  no GFSG policy call tomorrow).

Dial-in information is as follows:
US: 1-888-455-3044
Int'l: 1-210-839-8611
passcode: 74658.

Attached, you will find a comprehensive version of the GridWorld/GGF15 
schedule for discussion.

Open items/next steps include:
*We have added evening sessions on Monday and Wednesday (subject to 
approval of the ESC and IDG).
*We are in need of 2 additional 90-minute slots for the Campus Grids Panels 
(I will work with standards folks on this).
*Thursday tutorials will be offered boxed lunches should they desire 
'working lunches' (Globus has requested this).
*I have not received OMII Tutorial and Use Case session abstracts.
*Titles/abstracts for Monday and Thursday Keynotes.
*Linesch opening (Monday or Tuesday?).
*Acceptance notification/web posting.
*Tutorial registration open.
*Email to community.

Talk to you tomorrow,
Julie


+++++++++++++++++++
Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
Manager of Community Development
Global Grid Forum
wulf at ggf.org
ph. 630/252-7163
fax 630/252-4466
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From wulf at ggf.org  Wed Aug 24 17:26:02 2005
From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 17:26:02 -0500
Subject: [CCGT] Community Council telecon notes
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050824163921.04a2dfe8@localhost>

Hi all,
Thank you for your participation in Tuesday's call.  Below are my notes (as 
well as updates on progress since the call):
+++++
*Addition of evening sessions on Monday and Wednesday (subject to approval 
of the ESC and IDG).
  -This has been officially requested and we await confirmation.  We have 
filled these slots and informed the proposers in anticipation of no issues.

*We are in need of 2 additional 90-minute slots for the Campus Grids Panels 
(I will work with standards folks on this).
  -I have officially requested this.  I also informed the Campus Grids 
folks that we intend to market their Sunday workshop (hosted by Harvard) 
and are seeking space for them on the community program for the 
panels.  They are positive about both.

*Thursday tutorials will be offered boxed lunches should they desire 
'working lunches' (Globus has requested this).
  -Please see 'Tutorials' below.

*I have not received OMII Tutorial and Use Case session abstracts.
  -OMII has been received.
  -Craig will provide use case abstract upon return from vacation.

*Titles/abstracts for Monday and Thursday Keynotes.
  -Geoffrey will contact Tony about Monday; Julie will contact Andrew about 
Thursday.

*Linesch opening (Monday or Tuesday?).
  -It was agreed that Mark should present an opening talk (session is 90 
minutes so there will be time for he and Tony) on Monday.  Julie/Geoffrey 
to contact Mark via ESC call.

*Acceptance notification/web posting.
  -Program, abstracts, etc. have been placed on the GGF website 
(http://www.ggf.org/ggf_events_ggf15_Community_Involvement.htm)
  -All session organizers have been notified of their acceptance.

*Tutorials.
  -The submissions that we received (with the exception of GridWise) have 
been renamed as 'Community Technology Updates' and will be offered to all 
attendees at no additional cost (GridWise will cost $90).  This decision 
was made by Geoffrey and Steve Crumb due to presenters requesting to 
forfeit their reimbursement and allow participants to attend without paying 
an additional fee.  All presenters have been notified of this change in 
terminology as well as the fact that they will receive no reimbursement.
  -Due to the change above, the schedule was adjusted to accommodate the 
Grid-Shib workshop request (see attached for current program matrix)

*Email to community.
  -Email has been sent to Grid-Announce announcing the preliminary 
community program.

*Other marketing activities:
  -We have placed a 'banner' on the GGF website.
  -GGF web template has been sent to all accepted session leaders so they 
may customize with their most recent session information  (slides, bios, 
etc.) and return to us.
  -We will provide session leaders with brief overview text of GGF and the 
community program for inclusion in their materials.
  -We requested that session leaders copy us (communities at ggf.org - Julie 
and Geoffrey) on their outreach emails so that we can track marketing 
activities.
+++++
Next call is scheduled for Tuesday, 06-September.  Please let me know if 
you items to be added to the agenda.

Thanks again,
Julie



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Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
Manager of Community Development
Global Grid Forum
wulf at ggf.org
ph. 630/252-7163
fax 630/252-4466
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