From wulf at mcs.anl.gov Wed Apr 6 14:44:25 2005 From: wulf at mcs.anl.gov (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:44:25 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] For discussion on Friday morning's GGF14 call Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050406144039.01a9e3f0@localhost> Dear All, On behalf of the Community Council, I am providing an outline of the two program aspects we envision for GGF14 specifically as well as the logistical needs of these program elements: *Workshops - (logistical requirements: 1 room with 50-100 person capacity from Mon-Thurs. Remote access - telecon or AG - would be desirable. Standard A/V.), *Community (or General) Track - (logistical requirements: 1 room with 100-150 person capacity from Mon pm-Wed pm. Standard A/V. Registration waivers.). We anticipate keeping these two elements separate but understand that this is contingent upon availability of space. If necessary, we will intersperse these elements into one track (of increased days). Below, please find the characteristics of these 2 elements: Workshops (Classical GGF Workshops): -Organized by Research Groups and Working Groups, -Workshops reports must be provided within 3 months of the meeting (we will encourage these reports to take the form of a GGF Informational document). -The GROC solicitation process will be reviewed and modified by the Community Council due to time and potential logistical constraints. We would like to do this asap. -GFSG input will be solicited (both on above process and submissions). -Community Council will provide bi-weekly GFSG updates. Community (or General) Track: This themed session would last from 0.5 to 2 days and is geared towards attracting people to attend the whole session and so motivate attendance at GGF (people that would not otherwise attend GGF). This track may contain keynotes, invited or contributed talks, panels, etc. They can involve applications, technology or standards. Examples of topics for this track (pulled from the Community Council email list archives) include: ....................... STEM is Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics and used to describe parts of education often viewed as weak in USA. I think we could set up a useful STEM community that could have activities similar to those of education part in SCxx. I suspect we could both benefit a broad community and probably compete for various funding opportunities. ....................... On April 25th, I will be talking at a meeting of CENDI which is an interagency group of scientific and technical information (STI) managers from 12 major federal agencies. In DoE this is called OSTI. Together CENDI members are meant to represent agencies covering over 95% of the federal R&D budget. (http://www.CENDI.gov). These are information systems leaders and I was introduced to them as I am helping design of Information Retrieval Grid for federating different federal databases (http://www.science.gov). I think most corporations have such needs for information systems and it could be interesting community. Note that the CENDI Group exchanges ideas and information covering a broad range of themes from policy to standards to technologies that impact or have the potential of impacting federal STI systems. If we had a community track, the GridIR and Portal activities would be very relevant. I will certainly encourage them to get involved with GGF and I realize it would be useful if for each GGF meeting, we identified activities that could be interesting to each of a set of communities we support. We also could collect talks such as the one I will give and list those of interest to each community. ....................... In coordination with the GGF14 Event Steering Council (ESC), we will generate appropriate CFPs, invitations, etc., for the above community program activities. We intend to record our experiences from GGF14 in a 'community perspective lessons learned' document for use in planning future GGF community activities. I look forward to Friday's discussion and hope this provides further background for the community council's role in GGF14. Julie +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf at ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/ccgt/attachments/20050406/ca2259c2/attachment.htm From matsu at is.titech.ac.jp Wed Apr 6 14:52:13 2005 From: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp (Satoshi Matsuoka) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:52:13 +0900 Subject: [CCGT] Fw: Workshop feedback Message-ID: <20050407044936.5F56.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> Community council members, Before sending this out to the respective workshop organizers, I would like to check upon you to see if the content would be OK. I am boarding a plane back to Tokyo from SFO now, so if you could respond within the working day it will be great. Oh yes minor spelling errors I will be correcting. Thanks. Satoshi Forwarded by Satoshi Matsuoka ----------------------- Original Message ----------------------- From: Satoshi Matsuoka To: Thilo Kielmann Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:49:30 +0900 Subject: Workshop feedback ---- Thilo, Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal "Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users". I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf of the newly proposed community council. As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as well as its exterior outreach. Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody else involved in your workshop organization. Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have backing the comment indicates that there is room for improvement in the proposal. I hope you could make some revisions by reflect the comments, and send to the (proposed) community council the revised version by April 15th. In the meantime there may be additional comments, which will be forwarded to you if deemed helpful in the improvement. Also please note that we will want to allow some of the workshop to be a academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the demand for publication and publicity." I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the workshop organizers to fulfill such desires. Looking forward to the revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. Best Regards, Satoshi Matsuoka Comment 1: === The APPS-WG has run excellent workshops at past GGF. This one does not seem to be clearly described - it has a reasonable planned content I think, but it isn't easy to read and understand - and the breadth of its organiser / acceptance panel is not yet defined. I would back them on their track record, but push them to edit and update the proposal. === Comment 2: === The report from the last workshop held at GGF13 should be reported. At least there should be some evidence that such is being worked upon. === --------- A) Workshop Title Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users We are intending a type two (refereed workshop) B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. Thilo Kielmann, Vrije Universiteit, Co-Chair APPS-RG Thomas Hinke, NASA AMES, Co-Chair APPS-RG Laura McGinnis, PSC, Co-chair PGM-RG (to become PGS-RG) David Wallom, Bristol Univ, designated Co-chair PGS-RG Full reviewing committee to be announced soon. C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc. APPS-RG PGS-RG (currently PGM-RG) D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop description to be put on the program. In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology. Currently, for the most part grids are on the early adopter side of the gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users. Here, applications are the key. We are seeking experience from early adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from middleware developers and system operators in charge of providing grid working environments to user communities. We are seeking contributions on the following topics: - user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications - management approaches for production-quality grid environments - techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware - software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments, focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use. E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here. Potential speakers come from major grid projects, from grid user communities, and from grid service operators. We seek to enrich the program by an opening keynote presentation and a final panel discussion. A candidate for the keynote could be Steven Newhouse from OMII, talking about his user survey among UK E-science users. F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF. Prior to GGF5 in Glasgow: NeSC Workshop on Applications and Testbeds on the Grid organized by APPS-RG and GUS-RG (just prior to GGF5) At GGF7 in Tokyo: Applications workshop: What can be achieved with today's Grid technology (and what cannot)? organized by APPS-RG At GGF8 in Seattle: Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools organized by APPS-RG and UPDT-RG Workshop on Tools For Grid Management organized by PGM-RG At GGF10 in Berlin: Workshop on Case Studies on Grid Applications organized by APPS-RG, UPDT-RG, GUS-RG, and PGM-RG At GGF11 in Honolulu: Semantic Grid Applications Workshop organized by APPS-RG and SEM-GRD Management of Grid Services in Production Grids organized by PGM-RG At GGF12 in Brussels: Workshop on Grid Application Programming Interfaces organized by APPS-RG with DRMAA-WG, GridRPC-WG, SAGA-RG At GGF13 in Soul: The Usable Grid organized by APPS-RG G) Duration of workshop (half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole day (4-5 slots) whole day H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) 50-70 I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational Document. We plan to publish a proceedings volume in form of a GGF Informational Document. --------------------- Original Message Ends -------------------- ???????????????????????? ?152-8550 ????????? 2-12-1 (?7??2F) Tel/Fax 03-5734-3876 (?7??2F206) ??090-5811-8746 (FOMA-TV????) E-mail: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp ????? secretary at matsulab.is.titech.ac.jp From gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu Wed Apr 6 15:33:54 2005 From: gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu (Geoffrey Fox) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 15:33:54 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] Fw: Workshop feedback In-Reply-To: <20050407044936.5F56.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> References: <20050407044936.5F56.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> Message-ID: <425447B2.3060709@grids.ucs.indiana.edu> I think we might encourage more substantial publication such as journal special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) participants However in general I think we should let each workshop make its choice as "external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in some fashion Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: >Community council members, > >Before sending this out to the respective workshop organizers, I would >like to check upon you to see if the content would be OK. I am boarding >a plane back to Tokyo from SFO now, so if you could respond within the >working day it will be great. Oh yes minor spelling errors I will be >correcting. Thanks. > > Satoshi > >Forwarded by Satoshi Matsuoka >----------------------- Original Message ----------------------- > From: Satoshi Matsuoka > To: Thilo Kielmann > Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp > Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 04:49:30 +0900 > Subject: Workshop feedback >---- > > >Thilo, > >Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal >"Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users". > >I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf >of the newly proposed community council. > >As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the >community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council >therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In >the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the >workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as >well as its exterior outreach. > >Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody >else involved in your workshop organization. > >Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending >you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have backing the >comment indicates that there is room for improvement in the proposal. I >hope you could make some revisions by reflect the comments, and send to >the (proposed) community council the revised version by April 15th. In >the meantime there may be additional comments, which will be forwarded >to you if deemed helpful in the improvement. > >Also please note that we will want to allow some of the workshop to be a >academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the >Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like >to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of >the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. > >To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high >value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build >communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new >lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow >technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much >diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the >demand for publication and publicity." > >I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the >workshop organizers to fulfill such desires. Looking forward to the >revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. > > Best Regards, > Satoshi Matsuoka > > >Comment 1: >=== > >The APPS-WG has run excellent workshops at past GGF. This one does not >seem to be clearly described - it has a reasonable planned content I >think, but it isn't easy to read and understand - and the breadth of its >organiser / acceptance panel is not yet defined. I would back them on >their track record, but push them to edit and update the proposal. >=== > >Comment 2: >=== >The report from the last workshop held at GGF13 should be reported. At >least there should be some evidence that such is being worked upon. >=== > > >--------- > > >A) Workshop Title > >Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users > >We are intending a type two (refereed workshop) > > >B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. > >Thilo Kielmann, Vrije Universiteit, Co-Chair APPS-RG >Thomas Hinke, NASA AMES, Co-Chair APPS-RG >Laura McGinnis, PSC, Co-chair PGM-RG (to become PGS-RG) >David Wallom, Bristol Univ, designated Co-chair PGS-RG > >Full reviewing committee to be announced soon. > > >C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc. > >APPS-RG >PGS-RG (currently PGM-RG) > > >D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop description to be put on the program. > >In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between >early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology. >Currently, for the most part grids are on the early adopter side of the >gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users. >Here, applications are the key. We are seeking experience from early >adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream >users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from >middleware developers and system operators in charge of >providing grid working environments to user communities. > >We are seeking contributions on the following topics: >- user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications >- management approaches for production-quality grid environments >- techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware >- software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions > >Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments, >focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use. > > > > >E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here. > >Potential speakers come from major grid projects, from grid user >communities, and from grid service operators. >We seek to enrich the program by an opening keynote presentation and a >final panel discussion. >A candidate for the keynote could be Steven Newhouse from OMII, >talking about his user survey among UK E-science users. > > >F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF. > >Prior to GGF5 in Glasgow: >NeSC Workshop on Applications and Testbeds on the Grid > organized by APPS-RG and GUS-RG (just prior to GGF5) > >At GGF7 in Tokyo: Applications workshop: >What can be achieved with today's Grid technology (and what cannot)? > organized by APPS-RG > >At GGF8 in Seattle: >Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools > organized by APPS-RG and UPDT-RG >Workshop on Tools For Grid Management > organized by PGM-RG > >At GGF10 in Berlin: >Workshop on Case Studies on Grid Applications > organized by APPS-RG, UPDT-RG, GUS-RG, and PGM-RG > >At GGF11 in Honolulu: >Semantic Grid Applications Workshop > organized by APPS-RG and SEM-GRD >Management of Grid Services in Production Grids > organized by PGM-RG > >At GGF12 in Brussels: >Workshop on Grid Application Programming Interfaces > organized by APPS-RG with DRMAA-WG, GridRPC-WG, SAGA-RG > >At GGF13 in Soul: >The Usable Grid > organized by APPS-RG > > >G) Duration of workshop (half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole day (4-5 slots) > >whole day > > >H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) > >50-70 > > >I) Publication Plans --- >please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a >certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product >will be a GGF Informational Document. > >We plan to publish a proceedings volume in form of a >GGF Informational Document. > >--------------------- Original Message Ends -------------------- > >???????????????????????? >?152-8550 ????????? 2-12-1 (?7??2F) >Tel/Fax 03-5734-3876 (?7??2F206) ??090-5811-8746 (FOMA-TV????) >E-mail: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp >????? secretary at matsulab.is.titech.ac.jp > > > > -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977 From matsu at is.titech.ac.jp Fri Apr 8 00:51:50 2005 From: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp (Satoshi Matsuoka) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:51:50 +0900 Subject: [CCGT] On your GGF14 workshop application Message-ID: <20050408124717.5F8C.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> Thilo, Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal "Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users". I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf of the newly proposed community council. As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as well as its exterior outreach. Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody else involved in your workshop organization. Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, nevertheless as you see the comments below indicate that there is room for improvement in the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions by reflect the comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) community council the revised version in about a week's time (around April 15th). In the meantime as additional comments come along, which will be forwarded to you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make improvements as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will want to allow some of the workshop to be a academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. It is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the community council therein over the research groups. To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the demand for publication and publicity." I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you host a high-quality and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. Best Regards, Satoshi Matsuoka Comment 1: === The APPS-WG has run excellent workshops at past GGF. (However, in comparison) this one does not seem to be clearly described - it has a reasonable planned content I think, but it isn't easy to read and understand - and the breadth of its organiser / acceptance panel is not yet defined. I would back them on their track record, but push them to edit and update the proposal. === Comment 2: === The report from the last workshop held at GGF12, GGF13 etc. should be in the works. At least there should be some "evidence" that such are being worked upon. === Comment 3 (general): === I think we might encourage more substantial publication such as journal special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) participants However in general I think we should let each workshop make its choice as "external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in some fashion === Comment 4: While the exact details of this workshop proposal may not be complete, e.g., the candidates for a program committee, the concept and goals for the workshop are IMHO rather clear. Certainly in Thilo's case, a long, written proposal with the 'i's dotted and 't's crossed is less critical since he has an absolutely solid track record for organizing GGF workshops. Nonetheless, we could emphasize some issues for the future (but not necessarily just for this proposal): 1) Try to get the workshops organized as early as possible, that is to say, get a draft or partial program committee put together prior to making the proposal. 2) Maximize external visibility. Besides just the GGF-Info doc, I'm sure that Thilo would be very receptive to the suggestion of trying to organize a journal special issue from the workshop. === Comment 5: (Satoshi) Balancing the comments above with the rather short time available to organize workshops for GGF14, Thilo should not be felt pressured to make full journal publications for this workshop (of course if there is that would be great). What we should also do is to make sure that, as organization of the workshop gets more solidified (and probably rather quickly), make sure that the GGF office and Thilo sync with each other frequently so that anything about the workshop presense that has external visibility (external calls, programs, publication plans etc.) will be updated very quickly as refinements occur. --------- A) Workshop Title Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users We are intending a type two (refereed workshop) B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. Thilo Kielmann, Vrije Universiteit, Co-Chair APPS-RG Thomas Hinke, NASA AMES, Co-Chair APPS-RG Laura McGinnis, PSC, Co-chair PGM-RG (to become PGS-RG) David Wallom, Bristol Univ, designated Co-chair PGS-RG Full reviewing committee to be announced soon. C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc. APPS-RG PGS-RG (currently PGM-RG) D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop description to be put on the program. In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology. Currently, for the most part grids are on the early adopter side of the gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users. Here, applications are the key. We are seeking experience from early adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from middleware developers and system operators in charge of providing grid working environments to user communities. We are seeking contributions on the following topics: - user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications - management approaches for production-quality grid environments - techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware - software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments, focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use. E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here. Potential speakers come from major grid projects, from grid user communities, and from grid service operators. We seek to enrich the program by an opening keynote presentation and a final panel discussion. A candidate for the keynote could be Steven Newhouse from OMII, talking about his user survey among UK E-science users. F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF. Prior to GGF5 in Glasgow: NeSC Workshop on Applications and Testbeds on the Grid organized by APPS-RG and GUS-RG (just prior to GGF5) At GGF7 in Tokyo: Applications workshop: What can be achieved with today's Grid technology (and what cannot)? organized by APPS-RG At GGF8 in Seattle: Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools organized by APPS-RG and UPDT-RG Workshop on Tools For Grid Management organized by PGM-RG At GGF10 in Berlin: Workshop on Case Studies on Grid Applications organized by APPS-RG, UPDT-RG, GUS-RG, and PGM-RG At GGF11 in Honolulu: Semantic Grid Applications Workshop organized by APPS-RG and SEM-GRD Management of Grid Services in Production Grids organized by PGM-RG At GGF12 in Brussels: Workshop on Grid Application Programming Interfaces organized by APPS-RG with DRMAA-WG, GridRPC-WG, SAGA-RG At GGF13 in Soul: The Usable Grid organized by APPS-RG G) Duration of workshop (half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole day (4-5 slots) whole day H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) 50-70 I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational Document. We plan to publish a proceedings volume in form of a GGF Informational Document. --------------------- Original Message Ends -------------------- Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor Global Scientific Information and Computing Center & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences Tokyo Institute of Technology Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu at acm.org, matsu at is.titech.ac.jp From wulf at ggf.org Fri Apr 8 13:27:55 2005 From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 13:27:55 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] [Thilo Kielmann ] Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050408132654.03ec64f8@localhost> Forwarding as Thilo's message bounced... >Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:34:01 +0000 >From: Thilo Kielmann >To: Satoshi Matsuoka >Cc: Thilo Kielmann , ccgt at ggf.org, > "Thomas H. Hinke" , > Laura McGinnis , > David Wallom >Subject: Re: On your GGF14 workshop application >Message-ID: <20050408193400.GC5224 at cs.vu.nl> >Reply-To: Thilo Kielmann >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-Disposition: inline >In-Reply-To: <20050408124717.5F8C.MATSU at is.titech.ac.jp> >User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at >mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov > >Satoshi, > >thanks a lot for your mail. I highly appreciate your feedback. It is >the first time in our long workshop-making history that we get such >feedback, and I find it absolutely constructive. (And: it also shows >GFSG/GROC/CCGT's appreciation of our efforts.) > >My co-organizers and I will address the issues you mentioned and will >get back to you soon. > > > >Regards, > > >Thilo (still in Denver) > >On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 02:51:50PM +0900, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: > > X-Original-To: kielmann at localhost > > Delivered-To: kielmann at localhost.cs.vu.nl > > Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:51:50 +0900 > > From: Satoshi Matsuoka > > To: Thilo Kielmann > > Subject: On your GGF14 workshop application > > Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt at ggf.org > > > > > > Thilo, > > > > Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal > > "Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users". > > > > I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf > > of the newly proposed community council. > > > > As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the > > community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council > > therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In > > the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the > > workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as > > well as its exterior outreach. > > > > Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody > > else involved in your workshop organization. > > > > Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending > > you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid > > backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, nevertheless as you > > see the comments below indicate that there is room for improvement in > > the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions by reflect the > > comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) community council > > the revised version in about a week's time (around April 15th). In the > > meantime as additional comments come along, which will be forwarded to > > you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make improvements > > as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. > > > > Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will > > want to allow some of the workshop to be a > > academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the > > Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like > > to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of > > the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. It > > is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the > > community council therein over the research groups. > > > > To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high > > value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build > > communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new > > lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow > > technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much > > diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the > > demand for publication and publicity." > > > > I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the > > workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you host a > high-quality > > and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the > > revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. > > > > Best Regards, > > Satoshi Matsuoka > > > > > > Comment 1: > > === > > The APPS-WG has run excellent workshops at past GGF. (However, in > > comparison) this one does not > > seem to be clearly described - it has a reasonable planned content I > > think, but it isn't easy to read and understand - and the breadth of its > > organiser / acceptance panel is not yet defined. I would back them on > > their track record, but push them to edit and update the proposal. > > === > > > > Comment 2: > > === > > The report from the last workshop held at GGF12, GGF13 etc. should be in > > the works. At least there should be some "evidence" that such are being > > worked upon. > > === > > > > Comment 3 (general): > > === > > I think we might encourage more substantial publication such as journal > > special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) participants > > However in general I think we should let each workshop make its choice as > > "external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in > > some fashion > > > > === > > Comment 4: > > While the exact details of this > > workshop proposal may not be complete, e.g., the candidates > > for a program committee, the concept and goals for the > > workshop are IMHO rather clear. Certainly in Thilo's case, > > a long, written proposal with the 'i's dotted and 't's crossed > > is less critical since he has an absolutely solid track record > > for organizing GGF workshops. > > > > Nonetheless, we could emphasize some issues for the future > > (but not necessarily just for this proposal): > > > > 1) Try to get the workshops organized as early as possible, > > that is to say, get a draft or partial program committee put > > together prior to making the proposal. > > > > 2) Maximize external visibility. Besides just the GGF-Info doc, > > I'm sure that Thilo would be very receptive to the suggestion > > of trying to organize a journal special issue from the workshop. > > === > > > > Comment 5: (Satoshi) > > > > Balancing the comments above with the rather short time available to > > organize workshops for GGF14, Thilo should not be felt pressured to make > > full journal publications for this workshop (of course if there is that > > would be great). What we should also do is to make sure that, as > > organization of the workshop gets more solidified (and probably rather > > quickly), make sure that the GGF office and Thilo sync with each other > frequently > > so that anything about the workshop presense that has external > > visibility (external calls, programs, publication plans etc.) will be > > updated very quickly as refinements occur. > > > > --------- > > > > > > A) Workshop Title > > > > Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users > > > > We are intending a type two (refereed workshop) > > > > > > B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly > incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you > are a chair of an existing RG/WG. > > > > Thilo Kielmann, Vrije Universiteit, Co-Chair APPS-RG > > Thomas Hinke, NASA AMES, Co-Chair APPS-RG > > Laura McGinnis, PSC, Co-chair PGM-RG (to become PGS-RG) > > David Wallom, Bristol Univ, designated Co-chair PGS-RG > > > > Full reviewing committee to be announced soon. > > > > > > C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well > as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being > a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including > candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc. > > > > APPS-RG > > PGS-RG (currently PGM-RG) > > > > > > D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop > description to be put on the program. > > > > In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between > > early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology. > > Currently, for the most part grids are on the early adopter side of the > > gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users. > > Here, applications are the key. We are seeking experience from early > > adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream > > users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from > > middleware developers and system operators in charge of > > providing grid working environments to user communities. > > > > We are seeking contributions on the following topics: > > - user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications > > - management approaches for production-quality grid environments > > - techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware > > - software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions > > > > Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments, > > focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use. > > > > > > > > > > E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two > workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the > talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here. > > > > Potential speakers come from major grid projects, from grid user > > communities, and from grid service operators. > > We seek to enrich the program by an opening keynote presentation and a > > final panel discussion. > > A candidate for the keynote could be Steven Newhouse from OMII, > > talking about his user survey among UK E-science users. > > > > > > F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF. > > > > Prior to GGF5 in Glasgow: > > NeSC Workshop on Applications and Testbeds on the Grid > > organized by APPS-RG and GUS-RG (just prior to GGF5) > > > > At GGF7 in Tokyo: Applications workshop: > > What can be achieved with today's Grid technology (and what cannot)? > > organized by APPS-RG > > > > At GGF8 in Seattle: > > Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools > > organized by APPS-RG and UPDT-RG > > Workshop on Tools For Grid Management > > organized by PGM-RG > > > > At GGF10 in Berlin: > > Workshop on Case Studies on Grid Applications > > organized by APPS-RG, UPDT-RG, GUS-RG, and PGM-RG > > > > At GGF11 in Honolulu: > > Semantic Grid Applications Workshop > > organized by APPS-RG and SEM-GRD > > Management of Grid Services in Production Grids > > organized by PGM-RG > > > > At GGF12 in Brussels: > > Workshop on Grid Application Programming Interfaces > > organized by APPS-RG with DRMAA-WG, GridRPC-WG, SAGA-RG > > > > At GGF13 in Soul: > > The Usable Grid > > organized by APPS-RG > > > > > > G) Duration of workshop (half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole > day (4-5 slots) > > > > whole day > > > > > > H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) > > > > 50-70 > > > > > > I) Publication Plans --- > > please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a > > certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product > > will be a GGF Informational Document. > > > > We plan to publish a proceedings volume in form of a > > GGF Informational Document. > > > > --------------------- Original Message Ends -------------------- > > > > > > Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor > > Global Scientific Information and Computing Center > > & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences > > Tokyo Institute of Technology > > Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan > > Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu at acm.org, matsu at is.titech.ac.jp > > > >-- >Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf at ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466 From catlett at mcs.anl.gov Fri Apr 8 15:52:37 2005 From: catlett at mcs.anl.gov (Charlie Catlett) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background Message-ID: Friends- Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop mentioned a group in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document drafted in March I wanted to send it to you. It's very preliminary, but it shows that the group is serious and already getting work done. I expect an iteration on this document within a few weeks since it was discussed in great detail during several sessions of the TeraGrid all-hands meeting earlier this week. I think this workshop will be very important to the community. My hope is that it will bring in some of the less-involved sectors of the community including people who are: - building portals for scientific communities - implementing web services on resources in operational grids - developing operational policies and mechanisms for varying degrees of authorization (from full access shell accounts to restricted service invocations) based on varying degrees of authentication (from highly trusted authentication to anonymous access) - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc. CeC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(form letter is attached below) Satoshi ---- On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500 Charlie Catlett wrote: catlett> Friends- catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop mentioned a group catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document drafted in March I catlett> wanted to send it to you. It's very preliminary, but it shows that catlett> the group is serious and already getting work done. I expect an catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks since it was discussed catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the TeraGrid all-hands catlett> meeting earlier this week. I think this workshop will be very catlett> important to the community. My hope is that it will bring in some of catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community including people who are: catlett> catlett> - building portals for scientific communities catlett> - implementing web services on resources in operational grids catlett> - developing operational policies and mechanisms for varying degrees catlett> of authorization (from full access shell accounts to restricted catlett> service invocations) based on varying degrees of authentication (from catlett> highly trusted authentication to anonymous access) catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc. catlett> catlett> CeC ----- Charlie, Dennis, Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal "Science Gateways Portals Workshop". I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf of the newly proposed community council. As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as well as its exterior outreach. Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody else involved in your workshop organization. Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, nevertheless as you see the comments below indicate that there is room for improvement in the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions by reflect the comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) community council the revised version in about a week's time (around April 15th). In the meantime as additional comments come along, which will be forwarded to you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make improvements as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will want to allow some of the workshop to be a academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. It is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the community council therein over the research groups. To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the demand for publication and publicity." I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you host a high-quality and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. Best Regards, Satoshi Matsuoka Comment 1: === The Science Portals workshop looks a good topic, and we can trust Dennis and Charlie will run an excellent workshop. However, we need to take care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred or US centred. We should see others, from Asian grids and European grids engaged in planning / presenting IMHO. I can find some, but the recent week on portals at eSI led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names (http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549), particularly UK ones. I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from Catania, bringing experience on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera https://genius.ct.infn.it/. We have used it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) for new user community induction. What is the planned model of communication? What should it not clash with? ... I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting questions answered and publication plan. === Comment 2 (general): === I think we might encourage more substantial publication such as journal special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) participants However in general I think we should let each workshop make its choice as "external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in some fashion === Comment 3: (Satoshi) === There are several groups in AP working on "Science Gateway" Portals, including those in Japan and Korea, and those should be contacted. For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and NAREGI's WP3/6 are working on high-level portals interface. Korea's K* Grid has several efforts in those regard. Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught pragma, with help from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is important to make the intentions clear so that not all the Grid portals on earth will try to participate and ask for a time slot. --------- From matsu at is.titech.ac.jp Sat Apr 9 12:33:15 2005 From: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp (Satoshi Matsuoka) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 02:33:15 +0900 Subject: Fw: Re: [CCGT] Fw: Workshop feedback Message-ID: <20050410023250.5FB4.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> Dave, Abbas, Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal "Healthcare Security and Privacy". I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf of the newly proposed community council. As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as well as its exterior outreach. Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody else involved in your workshop organization. Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, nevertheless as you see the comments below indicate that there is room for improvement in the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions by reflect the comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) community council the revised version in about a week's time (around April 15th). In the meantime as additional comments come along, which will be forwarded to you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make improvements as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will want to allow some of the workshop to be a academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. It is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the community council therein over the research groups. To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the demand for publication and publicity." I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you host a high-quality and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. Best Regards, Satoshi Matsuoka Comment 1: === The Health ... Workshop looks well conceived and the proposers have an excellent track record of running workshops associated with GGF and elsewhere. I'd like to suggest a few extra organisers / speakers if that is not out of order, from Europe. I vote for accept, but push on updating the speakers & organisers, and on publications. === Comment 2: === The report from the last LSG workshop held at GGF13 (and previous somewhat informal one in GGF12, etc.) should be in the works. At least there should be some "evidence" that such are being worked upon. === Comment 3 (general): === I think we might encourage more substantial publication such as journal special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) participants However in general I think we should let each workshop make its choice as "external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in some fashion === Comment 4: (Satoshi) I believe this workshop could be quite synergestic to the community track being proposed for GGF14, in that if this workshop would be held stragically prior to the community track, then the workshp itself will serve as an effective community gathering. One thing to note for the GGF office is to ensure at least phone connectivity. I could personaly bring a Polycom conference phone if required. --------- From catlett at mcs.anl.gov Sun Apr 10 22:50:08 2005 From: catlett at mcs.anl.gov (Charlie Catlett) Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background In-Reply-To: <20050410015032.5FAC.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> References: <20050410015032.5FAC.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> Message-ID: Hi- The purpose of the workshop is to bring together folks who are trying to bring Grid capabilities to a particular science community (atmospheric scientists, chemists, bioinformatics folks, etc.), and who are looking to use web services and/or web portals to do so. I am seeing these communities moving out ahead of GGF or the "grid" experts or "portal" experts. This is creating a danger that those of us running Grids or Grid resources will have a chaotic situation where our key commmunities will each want to set up an ad-hoc interaction mode with us to serve their communities. One will want to use group accounts and another will want to install a custom daemon on our machines. Another will want to use web services and another will want .NET. The draft I circulated was a first cut at understanding what 10 communities are trying to build, and all ten want to access Grid resources in TeraGrid. Some are also building their own Grids, and all would like to also access Grid resources in the UK or Japan. The idea of this workshop is to bring these consumers together with one another and with producers to see if there are some things we might agree on that can be implemented to nudge them toward some common solutions. Now, some TeraGrid folks have made some headway in looking at this and I would like to broaden that discussion to others who are doing similar things (or should be). To this end I asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch with the right person or persons from the UK, and would like similar contacts from Japan (Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere. I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity - we don't need GGF to do that. We need GGF to help us broaden the effort by helping us reach other communities. So I would expect to do a call for participation not to the producer community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer population, portal experts), though it would be good for them to participate, but to the consumer community. I.e. those who don't really care that much about standards or web services or grid technology other than that they want to use them to serve their customers doing science. The draft I circulated would be used to structure the workshop, get input from more consumer groups, get producer groups to talk about how they are addressing these issues, and then update the document as a GGF informational document. CeC At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: >Charlie, Dennis, > >I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's concern that it be a >TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be considered. Here is a >(form) letter, >and with proper fulfillment of the workshop template and widespread >solicitation to key portal groups in EU as well as AP, hopefully the >concern will be addressed. > >(form letter is attached below) > Satoshi > >---- > >On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500 >Charlie Catlett wrote: > >catlett> Friends- >catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop mentioned a group >catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document drafted in March I >catlett> wanted to send it to you. It's very preliminary, but it shows that >catlett> the group is serious and already getting work done. I expect an >catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks since it was discussed >catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the TeraGrid all-hands >catlett> meeting earlier this week. I think this workshop will be very >catlett> important to the community. My hope is that it will bring in some of >catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community including people who are: >catlett> >catlett> - building portals for scientific communities >catlett> - implementing web services on resources in operational grids >catlett> - developing operational policies and mechanisms for varying degrees >catlett> of authorization (from full access shell accounts to restricted >catlett> service invocations) based on varying degrees of authentication (from >catlett> highly trusted authentication to anonymous access) >catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc. >catlett> >catlett> CeC > >----- > >Charlie, Dennis, > >Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal >"Science Gateways Portals Workshop". > >I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf >of the newly proposed community council. > >As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the >community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council >therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In >the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the >workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as >well as its exterior outreach. > >Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody >else involved in your workshop organization. > >Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending >you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid >backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, nevertheless as you >see the comments below indicate that there is room for improvement in >the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions by reflect the >comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) community council >the revised version in about a week's time (around April 15th). In the >meantime as additional comments come along, which will be forwarded to >you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make improvements >as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. > >Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will >want to allow some of the workshop to be a >academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the >Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like >to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of >the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. It >is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the >community council therein over the research groups. > >To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high >value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build >communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new >lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow >technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much >diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the >demand for publication and publicity." > >I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the >workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you host a high-quality >and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the >revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. > > Best Regards, > Satoshi Matsuoka > > >Comment 1: >=== >The Science Portals workshop looks a good topic, and we can trust Dennis >and Charlie will run an excellent workshop. However, we need to take >care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred or US centred. We should >see others, from Asian grids and European grids engaged in planning / >presenting IMHO. I can find some, but the recent week on portals at eSI >led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names >(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549), >particularly UK ones. > >I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from Catania, bringing experience >on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera > https://genius.ct.infn.it/. We have used >it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) for new user community >induction. > >What is the planned model of communication? What should it not clash >with? ... > >I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting questions answered >and publication plan. >=== > >Comment 2 (general): >=== >I think we might encourage more substantial publication such as journal >special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) participants >However in general I think we should let each workshop make its choice as >"external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in >some fashion > >=== > >Comment 3: (Satoshi) >=== >There are several groups in AP working on "Science Gateway" Portals, >including those in Japan and Korea, and those should be contacted. >For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and NAREGI's WP3/6 are >working on high-level portals interface. Korea's K* Grid has several >efforts in those regard. > >Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught pragma, with help >from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. 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URL: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/ccgt/attachments/20050411/9df2d477/attachment.htm From wulf at ggf.org Fri Apr 15 13:45:53 2005 From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:45:53 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] Community Council - Status and Action Items Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050415115003.04195dd0@localhost> Hi all, Just a brief note about Community Council status and action items: GGF14 Community Track- *Community CFP sent to GGF email lists and placed on website today. I will keep you posted on feedback we receive. Please forward to your colleagues that might not be on GGF lists as well. GGF14 Workshops- *Satoshi - have we received revised workshop proposals based on the GFSG feedback? *Craig - do you know whether the Telco group will propose a workshop or a Bof? Also, should I take the EOS/CEOS off the list of potential workshops? *I received a 'heads-up' note that the EU NextGRID project is working on a proposal entitled 'Improving Interaction between Grid Projects and Standards.' I expect to have the proposal shortly and will provide you with those details when I receive them. Charter Docs- *A reminder that you are to provide a brief charter doc for each of your areas that will be compiled into a Community Participation Guide for GGF14. Please let me know when I can expect to see this from you. Meeting Preferences- *Should the need arise for a ggf14/ggf 15 community program planning meeting (and/or to discuss other strategic CC issues) please let me know if you prefer a face-to-face meeting or meeting via the Access Grid. Your prompt response is appreciated. Thanks! Julie +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf at ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466 From matsu at is.titech.ac.jp Sat Apr 16 02:38:02 2005 From: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp (Satoshi Matsuoka) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 16:38:02 +0900 Subject: [CCGT] Community Council - Status and Action Items In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.2.20050415115003.04195dd0@localhost> References: <5.1.1.6.2.20050415115003.04195dd0@localhost> Message-ID: <20050416135646.9D77.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:45:53 -0500 Julie Wulf-Knoerzer wrote: wulf> Hi all, wulf> wulf> Just a brief note about Community Council status and action items: wulf> wulf> GGF14 Community Track- wulf> *Community CFP sent to GGF email lists and placed on website today. I will wulf> keep you posted on feedback we receive. Please forward to your colleagues wulf> that might not be on GGF lists as well. wulf> wulf> GGF14 Workshops- wulf> *Satoshi - have we received revised workshop proposals based on the GFSG wulf> feedback? No, not yet. I will push on folks to do so. wulf> *Craig - do you know whether the Telco group will propose a workshop or a wulf> Bof? Also, should I take the EOS/CEOS off the list of potential workshops? wulf> *I received a 'heads-up' note that the EU NextGRID project is working on a wulf> proposal entitled 'Improving Interaction between Grid Projects and wulf> Standards.' I expect to have the proposal shortly and will provide you wulf> with those details when I receive them. wulf> wulf> Charter Docs- wulf> *A reminder that you are to provide a brief charter doc for each of your wulf> areas that will be compiled into a Community Participation Guide for wulf> GGF14. Please let me know when I can expect to see this from you. wulf> wulf> Meeting Preferences- wulf> *Should the need arise for a ggf14/ggf 15 community program planning wulf> meeting (and/or to discuss other strategic CC issues) please let me know if wulf> you prefer a face-to-face meeting or meeting via the Access Grid. A combination will be good, plus dial-in as well. Satoshi From catlett at mcs.anl.gov Mon Apr 18 10:27:28 2005 From: catlett at mcs.anl.gov (Charlie Catlett) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:27:28 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] Re: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - April 5 Meeting In-Reply-To: <20050406074813.C723.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> References: <5D8E46F5AA2D8A428667B8787DEF216CD83134@hendrix.ad.nesc.ac.uk> <20050406074813.C723.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> Message-ID: > >mpa> I read all three workshop proposals. >mpa> The questions look like the old GROC ones, and I notice that Charlie >mpa> didn't answer them and that the health grid only answered some of them. Ah, sorry I didn't run the GROC approval gauntlet correctly - we spend several hours in Seoul talking about how to get additional communities engaged in GGF and this was in direct response to that GFSG discussion. I did not realize I still needed to fill out the GROC forms in triplicate. :-) Appended is my response to Malcolm's two (not focused on one group; publication). Here is my official GROC application form: A) Workshop Title Science Gateways: Exploring Common Interfaces, Policies and Interactions between Grid Resources and Science Communities B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. Catlett (UC/ANL), Gannon (IU), Foster (UC/ANL), Wilkins-Diehr (UCSD), Goasguen (Purdue) Have requested contacts from Tony Hey and Satoshi Matsuoka for people doing similar work elsewhere to help organize. C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc. This workshop does not involve a particular RG/WG - it is intended to bring in new communities. However, we expect that some from the Life Sciences RG and GCE RG will participate. D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop description to be put on the program. Provided already E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here. We will have 4-6 presentations from people who are building, or have built, science gateways (portals or application software that provides Grid resources to scientists). Three will be from the TeraGrid project, three from other projects as we find them (we are actively seeking). There will be 4-6 presentations regarding key technology/policy issues such as authentication and authorization, web services implementation strategies, etc. F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF. Catlett, Foster and Gannon have pretty good track record right there... G) Duration of workshop - half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole day (4-5 slots) Whole day H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) Unsure - probably 100-150 I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational Document. GGF informational CeC >Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500 >To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, Charlie Catlett , >Dennis Gannon >From: Charlie Catlett >Subject: Re: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background >Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt at ggf.org >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Hi- >The purpose of the workshop is to bring together folks who are >trying to bring Grid capabilities to a particular science community >(atmospheric scientists, chemists, bioinformatics folks, etc.), and >who are looking to use web services and/or web portals to do so. I >am seeing these communities moving out ahead of GGF or the "grid" >experts or "portal" experts. This is creating a danger that those >of us running Grids or Grid resources will have a chaotic situation >where our key commmunities will each want to set up an ad-hoc >interaction mode with us to serve their communities. One will want >to use group accounts and another will want to install a custom >daemon on our machines. Another will want to use web services and >another will want .NET. > >The draft I circulated was a first cut at understanding what 10 >communities are trying to build, and all ten want to access Grid >resources in TeraGrid. Some are also building their own Grids, and >all would like to also access Grid resources in the UK or Japan. > >The idea of this workshop is to bring these consumers together with >one another and with producers to see if there are some things we >might agree on that can be implemented to nudge them toward some >common solutions. Now, some TeraGrid folks have made some headway >in looking at this and I would like to broaden that discussion to >others who are doing similar things (or should be). To this end I >asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch with the right person or >persons from the UK, and would like similar contacts from Japan >(Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere. > >I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity - we don't need GGF >to do that. We need GGF to help us broaden the effort by helping us >reach other communities. > >So I would expect to do a call for participation not to the producer >community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer population, portal experts), >though it would be good for them to participate, but to the consumer >community. I.e. those who don't really care that much about >standards or web services or grid technology other than that they >want to use them to serve their customers doing science. > >The draft I circulated would be used to structure the workshop, get >input from more consumer groups, get producer groups to talk about >how they are addressing these issues, and then update the document >as a GGF informational document. > > >CeC > >At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: >>Charlie, Dennis, >> >>I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's concern that it be a >>TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be considered. Here is a >>(form) letter, >>and with proper fulfillment of the workshop template and widespread >>solicitation to key portal groups in EU as well as AP, hopefully the >>concern will be addressed. >> >>(form letter is attached below) >> Satoshi >> >>---- >> >>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500 >>Charlie Catlett wrote: >> >>catlett> Friends- >>catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop mentioned a group >>catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document drafted in March I >>catlett> wanted to send it to you. It's very preliminary, but it shows that >>catlett> the group is serious and already getting work done. I expect an >>catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks since it was discussed >>catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the TeraGrid all-hands >>catlett> meeting earlier this week. I think this workshop will be very >>catlett> important to the community. My hope is that it will bring >>in some of >>catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community including people who are: >>catlett> >>catlett> - building portals for scientific communities >>catlett> - implementing web services on resources in operational grids >>catlett> - developing operational policies and mechanisms for varying degrees >>catlett> of authorization (from full access shell accounts to restricted >>catlett> service invocations) based on varying degrees of >>authentication (from >>catlett> highly trusted authentication to anonymous access) >>catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc. >>catlett> >>catlett> CeC >> >>----- >> >>Charlie, Dennis, >> >>Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal >>"Science Gateways Portals Workshop". >> >>I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf >>of the newly proposed community council. >> >>As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the >>community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council >>therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In >>the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the >>workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as >>well as its exterior outreach. >> >>Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody >>else involved in your workshop organization. >> >>Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending >>you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid >>backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, nevertheless as you >>see the comments below indicate that there is room for improvement in >>the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions by reflect the >>comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) community council >>the revised version in about a week's time (around April 15th). In the >>meantime as additional comments come along, which will be forwarded to >>you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make improvements >>as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. >> >>Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will >>want to allow some of the workshop to be a >>academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the >>Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like >>to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of >>the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. It >>is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the >>community council therein over the research groups. >> >>To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high >>value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build >>communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new >>lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow >>technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much >>diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the >>demand for publication and publicity." >> >>I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the >>workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you host a high-quality >>and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the >>revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. >> >> Best Regards, >> Satoshi Matsuoka >> >> >>Comment 1: >>=== >>The Science Portals workshop looks a good topic, and we can trust Dennis >>and Charlie will run an excellent workshop. However, we need to take >>care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred or US centred. We should >>see others, from Asian grids and European grids engaged in planning / >>presenting IMHO. I can find some, but the recent week on portals at eSI >>led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names >>(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549), >>particularly UK ones. >> >>I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from Catania, bringing experience >>on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera >> https://genius.ct.infn.it/. We have used >>it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) for new user community >>induction. >> >>What is the planned model of communication? What should it not clash >>with? ... >> >>I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting questions answered >>and publication plan. >>=== >> >>Comment 2 (general): >>=== >>I think we might encourage more substantial publication such as journal >>special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) participants >>However in general I think we should let each workshop make its choice as >>"external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in >>some fashion >> >>=== >> >>Comment 3: (Satoshi) >>=== >>There are several groups in AP working on "Science Gateway" Portals, >>including those in Japan and Korea, and those should be contacted. >>For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and NAREGI's WP3/6 are >>working on high-level portals interface. Korea's K* Grid has several >>efforts in those regard. >> >>Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught pragma, with help >>from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is important to make >>the intentions clear so that not all the Grid portals on earth will try >>to participate and ask for a time slot. >> >>--------- From kielmann at cs.vu.nl Mon Apr 18 13:55:23 2005 From: kielmann at cs.vu.nl (Thilo Kielmann) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 18:55:23 +0000 Subject: [CCGT] Re: On your GGF14 workshop application In-Reply-To: <20050408124717.5F8C.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> References: <20050408124717.5F8C.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20050418185523.GA8833@cs.vu.nl> Dear Satoshi et al., attached please find a revised version of the workshop proposal. I have added the review committee, tried to clarify the "CFP text" and added a few words about journal publication. (We are sceptical whether in this topic there will be mature work already, but we are open to positive surprises.) I know that the reporting from previous workshops is THE weak point. I was hoping to catch up earlier that year but I had to organize the ggf13 workshop instead as the supposed-to-be organizer had let me down. David Wallom has volunteered to do the organization for GGF14, so I hope this will free my time for report writing... About making ggf workshops scientifically respected venues I have some ideas, but this would take a separate discussion and a bit more time than we have until ggf14. Please let me know whatever needs to be done to make the workshop happen. Regards, Thilo -- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ -------------- next part -------------- A) Workshop Title Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users We are intending a type two (refereed workshop) B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. Thilo Kielmann, Vrije Universiteit, Co-Chair APPS-RG Thomas Hinke, NASA AMES, Co-Chair APPS-RG Laura McGinnis, PSC, Co-chair PGM-RG (to become PGS-RG) David Wallom, Bristol Univ, designated Co-chair PGS-RG Reviewing committee: Simon J. Cox, University of Southampton, UK Thomas Hinke, NASA AMES, Co-Chair APPS-RG Thilo Kielmann, Vrije Universiteit, Co-Chair APPS-RG Pascal Kleijer, NEC, Japan Ignacio Martin Llorente, Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain Laura McGinnis, PSC, Co-chair PGM-RG (to become PGS-RG) Andre Merzky, Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Steven Newhouse, OMII, UK David Wallom, Bristol Univ, designated Co-chair PGS-RG Judith Utley, Old Dominion University, USA C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc. APPS-RG PGS-RG (currently PGM-RG) D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop description to be put on the program. In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology. Currently, grids are mostly on the early adopter side of the gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users. For fostering mature production environments, incentives by application users are vital. We are seeking experience from early adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from middleware developers and system operators in charge of providing working grid environments to user communities. We are seeking contributions on the following topics: - user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications - management approaches for production-quality grid environments - techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware - software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments, focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use. E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here. Potential speakers come from major grid projects, from grid user communities, and from grid service operators. We seek to enrich the program by an opening keynote presentation and a final panel discussion. A candidate for the keynote could be Steven Newhouse from OMII, talking about his user survey among UK E-science users. F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF. Prior to GGF5 in Glasgow: NeSC Workshop on Applications and Testbeds on the Grid organized by APPS-RG and GUS-RG (just prior to GGF5) At GGF7 in Tokyo: Applications workshop: What can be achieved with today's Grid technology (and what cannot)? organized by APPS-RG At GGF8 in Seattle: Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools organized by APPS-RG and UPDT-RG Workshop on Tools For Grid Management organized by PGM-RG At GGF10 in Berlin: Workshop on Case Studies on Grid Applications organized by APPS-RG, UPDT-RG, GUS-RG, and PGM-RG At GGF11 in Honolulu: Semantic Grid Applications Workshop organized by APPS-RG and SEM-GRD Management of Grid Services in Production Grids organized by PGM-RG At GGF12 in Brussels: Workshop on Grid Application Programming Interfaces organized by APPS-RG with DRMAA-WG, GridRPC-WG, SAGA-RG At GGF13 in Soul: The Usable Grid organized by APPS-RG G) Duration of workshop (half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole day (4-5 slots) whole day H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) 50-70 I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational Document. We plan to publish a proceedings volume in form of a GGF Informational Document. The organizers consider the topic to be very close to the forefront of technology adoption. While considering the topic to be timely and interesting, we are afraid there may be little scientifically sound work yet. Nevertheless, we will announce the possibility of a journal special issue for the case that we get high-quality submissions. From kielmann at cs.vu.nl Tue Apr 19 16:10:33 2005 From: kielmann at cs.vu.nl (Thilo Kielmann) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:10:33 +0000 Subject: [CCGT] Our GGF14 workshop In-Reply-To: <20050408124717.5F8C.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> References: <20050408124717.5F8C.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> Message-ID: <20050419211033.GC2554@cs.vu.nl> Dear Satoshi et al., as time is getting pretty close, we need to advertise our workshop right away. I have created a www site at: http://www.cs.vu.nl/ggf/apps-rg/meetings/ggf14.html Could you please get this page linked in from www.ggf.org to help advertise the workshop? Thanks a lot! Thilo -- Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ From matsu at is.titech.ac.jp Tue Apr 19 18:55:37 2005 From: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp (Satoshi Matsuoka) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:55:37 +0900 Subject: [CCGT] Re: Our GGF14 workshop In-Reply-To: <20050419211033.GC2554@cs.vu.nl> References: <20050408124717.5F8C.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> <20050419211033.GC2554@cs.vu.nl> Message-ID: <20050420085431.73FB.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> Thilo, Although I believe Julie Wulf is reading this email, I am forwarding this to the ggf office just in case. Thanks. Satoshi On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:10:33 +0000 Thilo Kielmann wrote: kielmann> Dear Satoshi et al., kielmann> kielmann> as time is getting pretty close, we need to advertise our workshop kielmann> right away. I have created a www site at: kielmann> kielmann> http://www.cs.vu.nl/ggf/apps-rg/meetings/ggf14.html kielmann> kielmann> kielmann> Could you please get this page linked in from www.ggf.org to help kielmann> advertise the workshop? kielmann> kielmann> kielmann> Thanks a lot! kielmann> kielmann> kielmann> Thilo kielmann> -- kielmann> Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor Global Scientific Information and Computing Center & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences Tokyo Institute of Technology Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu at acm.org, matsu at is.titech.ac.jp From wulf at ggf.org Wed Apr 20 17:49:29 2005 From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:49:29 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] Re: Our GGF14 workshop In-Reply-To: <20050420085431.73FB.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> References: <20050419211033.GC2554@cs.vu.nl> <20050408124717.5F8C.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> <20050419211033.GC2554@cs.vu.nl> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050420174913.04143738@localhost> Hi all, This should appear at http://www.ggf.org/Meetings/GGF14/schedule.htm shortly. Thanks, Julie At 08:55 AM 4/20/2005 +0900, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: >Thilo, > >Although I believe Julie Wulf is reading this email, >I am forwarding this to the ggf office just in case. Thanks. > > Satoshi > >On Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:10:33 +0000 >Thilo Kielmann wrote: > >kielmann> Dear Satoshi et al., >kielmann> >kielmann> as time is getting pretty close, we need to advertise our workshop >kielmann> right away. I have created a www site at: >kielmann> >kielmann> http://www.cs.vu.nl/ggf/apps-rg/meetings/ggf14.html >kielmann> >kielmann> >kielmann> Could you please get this page linked in from www.ggf.org to help >kielmann> advertise the workshop? >kielmann> >kielmann> >kielmann> Thanks a lot! >kielmann> >kielmann> >kielmann> Thilo >kielmann> -- >kielmann> Thilo >Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/ > >Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor >Global Scientific Information and Computing Center > & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences >Tokyo Institute of Technology >Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan >Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu at acm.org, matsu at is.titech.ac.jp +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf at ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466 From wulf at ggf.org Fri Apr 22 15:00:21 2005 From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 15:00:21 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] Fwd: RE: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050422145723.0427e480@localhost> Hi all, Attached, please find a GGF14 workshop proposal from the NextGRID team. Also - I only received one response to last week's note asking for expected completion dates of your area charter docs. Please let me know asap when I can expect to see these. Thanks! Julie >X-Greylist: delayed 2357 seconds by postgrey-1.17 at >mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:45:03 CDT >Reply-To: >From: "Diana Engesser" >To: "'Ann M. Collins'" , > "'Julie Wulf-Knoerzer'" , "'Steve Crumb'" , > >Cc: "'Malcolm Atkinson'" , > "'David Snelling'" , > "Mark Sawyer (Mark Sawyer)" , > "'FrancisWray'" , >Subject: RE: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF >Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:02:22 +0100 >Organization: EPCC >X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 >Thread-Index: AcVAazcZLlsW2AOTTg6IPsIYWWnJOQG1S9DA >X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at lawnmarket.ucs.ed.ac.uk > with MIMEDefang 2.33, Sophie 3.04rc1, Sophos Anti-Virus 3.91 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.33 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at >mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov > >Dear Anne, Julie and Steve, > >Please find attached the proposal for a workshop at GGF 14 with the title >"Why, how and when to invest in working with GGF"- Improving Interaction >between Grid Standards and Projects. This workshop would be organised and >held by the NextGRID project [www.nextgrid.org] in which my colleagues >Malcolm Atkinson, Dave Snelling, Mark Parsons and Neil Chue Hong are also >involved. Please let me know if the information we provide is sufficient or >if you need any more details to be able to consider our proposal. > >Best Regards, > >Diana > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ann M. Collins [mailto:collins at ggf.org] >Sent: 13 April 2005 21:56 >To: 'Diana' >Cc: office at ggf.org >Subject: RE: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF > >Dear Diana, >I need some clarification on what you are proposing. Are you proposing a >workshop for GGF14 or will NextGRID simply be holding a workshop directly >following GGF14? Any clarification you can give me would help point you in >the right direction. >Best, >Ann > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Ann M. Collins >Director, Events & Conferences >Global Grid Forum >Tel: +1-630-252-4679 >Fax: +1-630-252-4466 >Mobile: +1-630-715-1943 >Mail to: collins at ggf.org > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-ggf-office at ggf.org [mailto:owner-ggf-office at ggf.org] On Behalf >Of Diana >Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:20 AM >To: office at ggf.org >Subject: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF > > >Dear Sir or Madam, > >We from the NextGRID project would possibly like to hold a co-located >workshop during the next GGF. Prof Malcolm Atkinson is involved in NextGRID >as are my colleague Neil Chue Hong and Mark Parsons. Could you advise me how >to go about this? We don't have a specific title yet(likely something on >security or workflow or SLA+QoS) and I am unsure about costs involved etc. I >would appreciate any information you could give me. > >Best Regards, > >Diana Engesser > >PS: I have also sent my query to your colleague Anne Collins a while ago but >have not heard anything. > > >-------------------------------- > >Diana Engesser >NextGRID Dissemination Manager > >EPCC >The University of Edinburgh >James Clerk Maxwell Building >Mayfield Road >EH9 3JZ Edinburgh >UK > >Tel.: ++ 44 131 650 5077 >Fax.: ++ 44 131 650 6555 > >Email: D.Engesser at epcc.ed.ac.uk > >www.epcc.ed.ac.uk > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf at ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: GGF14_NextGRID _workshop_proposal.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 25957 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/ccgt/attachments/20050422/1a6f0020/attachment.pdf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: GGF14_NextGRID _workshop_proposal.doc Type: application/msword Size: 48640 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/ccgt/attachments/20050422/1a6f0020/attachment.doc From mpa at nesc.ac.uk Mon Apr 25 15:48:18 2005 From: mpa at nesc.ac.uk (Malcolm Atkinson) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:48:18 +0100 Subject: [CCGT] RE: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - April 5 Meeting Message-ID: <5D8E46F5AA2D8A428667B8787DEF216CD83263@hendrix.ad.nesc.ac.uk> Sorry Charlie to have been so demanding - that all looks great to me. I never doubted that it would be. I partly posed the questions to see if the old GROC criteria (which I had used in my judgements) were still the ones GFSG would support. Malcolm >-----Original Message----- >From: Charlie Catlett [mailto:catlett at mcs.anl.gov] >Sent: 18 April 2005 16:27 >To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson >Cc: ccgt at ggf.org >Subject: Re: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - >April 5 Meeting > >> >>mpa> I read all three workshop proposals. >>mpa> The questions look like the old GROC ones, and I notice >that Charlie >>mpa> didn't answer them and that the health grid only >answered some of them. > >Ah, sorry I didn't run the GROC approval gauntlet correctly - we >spend several hours in Seoul talking about how to get additional >communities engaged in GGF and this was in direct response to that >GFSG discussion. I did not realize I still needed to fill out the >GROC forms in triplicate. :-) > >Appended is my response to Malcolm's two (not focused on one group; >publication). Here is my official GROC application form: > >A) Workshop Title > >Science Gateways: Exploring Common Interfaces, Policies and >Interactions between Grid Resources and Science Communities > >B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly >incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if >you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. > >Catlett (UC/ANL), Gannon (IU), Foster (UC/ANL), Wilkins-Diehr (UCSD), >Goasguen (Purdue) >Have requested contacts from Tony Hey and Satoshi Matsuoka for people >doing similar work elsewhere to help organize. > >C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as >well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop >without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission >info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF >descriptions, etc. > >This workshop does not involve a particular RG/WG - it is intended to >bring in new communities. However, we expect that some from the Life >Sciences RG and GCE RG will participate. > >D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop >description to be put on the program. > >Provided already > >E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two >workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the >talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put >here. > >We will have 4-6 presentations from people who are building, or have >built, science gateways (portals or application software that >provides Grid resources to scientists). Three will be from the >TeraGrid project, three from other projects as we find them (we are >actively seeking). > >There will be 4-6 presentations regarding key technology/policy >issues such as authentication and authorization, web services >implementation strategies, etc. > >F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or >outside GGF. > >Catlett, Foster and Gannon have pretty good track record >right there... > >G) Duration of workshop - half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or >whole day (4-5 slots) > >Whole day > >H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) > >Unsure - probably 100-150 > >I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to >publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we >will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational >Document. > >GGF informational > > >CeC > >>Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500 >>To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, Charlie Catlett , >>Dennis Gannon >>From: Charlie Catlett >>Subject: Re: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background >>Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt at ggf.org >>Bcc: >>X-Attachments: >> >>Hi- >>The purpose of the workshop is to bring together folks who are >>trying to bring Grid capabilities to a particular science community >>(atmospheric scientists, chemists, bioinformatics folks, etc.), and >>who are looking to use web services and/or web portals to do so. I >>am seeing these communities moving out ahead of GGF or the "grid" >>experts or "portal" experts. This is creating a danger that those >>of us running Grids or Grid resources will have a chaotic situation >>where our key commmunities will each want to set up an ad-hoc >>interaction mode with us to serve their communities. One will want >>to use group accounts and another will want to install a custom >>daemon on our machines. Another will want to use web services and >>another will want .NET. >> >>The draft I circulated was a first cut at understanding what 10 >>communities are trying to build, and all ten want to access Grid >>resources in TeraGrid. Some are also building their own Grids, and >>all would like to also access Grid resources in the UK or Japan. >> >>The idea of this workshop is to bring these consumers together with >>one another and with producers to see if there are some things we >>might agree on that can be implemented to nudge them toward some >>common solutions. Now, some TeraGrid folks have made some headway >>in looking at this and I would like to broaden that discussion to >>others who are doing similar things (or should be). To this end I >>asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch with the right person or >>persons from the UK, and would like similar contacts from Japan >>(Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere. >> >>I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity - we don't need GGF >>to do that. We need GGF to help us broaden the effort by helping us >>reach other communities. >> >>So I would expect to do a call for participation not to the producer >>community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer population, portal experts), >>though it would be good for them to participate, but to the consumer >>community. I.e. those who don't really care that much about >>standards or web services or grid technology other than that they >>want to use them to serve their customers doing science. >> >>The draft I circulated would be used to structure the workshop, get >>input from more consumer groups, get producer groups to talk about >>how they are addressing these issues, and then update the document >>as a GGF informational document. >> >> >>CeC >> >>At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: >>>Charlie, Dennis, >>> >>>I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's concern that it be a >>>TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be considered. Here is a >>>(form) letter, >>>and with proper fulfillment of the workshop template and widespread >>>solicitation to key portal groups in EU as well as AP, hopefully the >>>concern will be addressed. >>> >>>(form letter is attached below) >>> Satoshi >>> >>>---- >>> >>>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500 >>>Charlie Catlett wrote: >>> >>>catlett> Friends- >>>catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop >mentioned a group >>>catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document >drafted in March I >>>catlett> wanted to send it to you. It's very preliminary, >but it shows that >>>catlett> the group is serious and already getting work >done. I expect an >>>catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks >since it was discussed >>>catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the >TeraGrid all-hands >>>catlett> meeting earlier this week. I think this workshop >will be very >>>catlett> important to the community. My hope is that it will bring >>>in some of >>>catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community >including people who are: >>>catlett> >>>catlett> - building portals for scientific communities >>>catlett> - implementing web services on resources in >operational grids >>>catlett> - developing operational policies and mechanisms >for varying degrees >>>catlett> of authorization (from full access shell accounts >to restricted >>>catlett> service invocations) based on varying degrees of >>>authentication (from >>>catlett> highly trusted authentication to anonymous access) >>>catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc. >>>catlett> >>>catlett> CeC >>> >>>----- >>> >>>Charlie, Dennis, >>> >>>Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal >>>"Science Gateways Portals Workshop". >>> >>>I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and >also on behalf >>>of the newly proposed community council. >>> >>>As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to >strengthen the >>>community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council >>>therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop >oversight. In >>>the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the >>>workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as >>>well as its exterior outreach. >>> >>>Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well >as anybody >>>else involved in your workshop organization. >>> >>>Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the >process by sending >>>you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid >>>backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, >nevertheless as you >>>see the comments below indicate that there is room for >improvement in >>>the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions >by reflect the >>>comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) >community council >>>the revised version in about a week's time (around April >15th). In the >>>meantime as additional comments come along, which will be >forwarded to >>>you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make >improvements >>>as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. >>> >>>Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will >>>want to allow some of the workshop to be a >>>academically viable and recognizable activity from not only >within the >>>Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like >>>to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of >>>the content as well as the viability of its organizational >manners. It >>>is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the >>>community council therein over the research groups. >>> >>>To quote one community council member: "I am passionate >about the high >>>value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build >>>communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the >need for new >>>lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift >towards narrow >>>technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much >>>diminished if the only effects are on those at the >workshop. Hence the >>>demand for publication and publicity." >>> >>>I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully >work with the >>>workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you >host a high-quality >>>and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the >>>revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. >>> >>> Best Regards, >>> Satoshi Matsuoka >>> >>> >>>Comment 1: >>>=== >>>The Science Portals workshop looks a good topic, and we can >trust Dennis >>>and Charlie will run an excellent workshop. However, we >need to take >>>care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred or US centred. > We should >>>see others, from Asian grids and European grids engaged in >planning / >>>presenting IMHO. I can find some, but the recent week on >portals at eSI >>>led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names >>>(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549), >>>particularly UK ones. >>> >>>I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from Catania, bringing >experience >>>on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera >>> https://genius.ct.infn.it/. >We have used >>>it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) for new user community >>>induction. >>> >>>What is the planned model of communication? What should it >not clash >>>with? ... >>> >>>I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting >questions answered >>>and publication plan. >>>=== >>> >>>Comment 2 (general): >>>=== >>>I think we might encourage more substantial publication >such as journal >>>special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) >participants >>>However in general I think we should let each workshop make >its choice as >>>"external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in >>>some fashion >>> >>>=== >>> >>>Comment 3: (Satoshi) >>>=== >>>There are several groups in AP working on "Science Gateway" Portals, >>>including those in Japan and Korea, and those should be contacted. >>>For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and >NAREGI's WP3/6 are >>>working on high-level portals interface. Korea's K* Grid has several >>>efforts in those regard. >>> >>>Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught >pragma, with help >>>from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is >important to make >>>the intentions clear so that not all the Grid portals on >earth will try >>>to participate and ask for a time slot. >>> >>>--------- > > From wulf at ggf.org Mon Apr 25 21:42:48 2005 From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 21:42:48 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] More on the NextGRID workshop submission Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050425214208.03f204c0@localhost> >Subject: RE: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF >Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 10:19:20 +0100 >X-MS-Has-Attach: >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: >Thread-Topic: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF >Thread-Index: AcVAazcZLlsW2AOTTg6IPsIYWWnJOQG1S9DAAFs/UJA= >From: "Malcolm Atkinson" >To: , "Ann M. Collins" , > "Julie Wulf-Knoerzer" , "Steve Crumb" , > , "Alan Blatecky" >Cc: "Malcolm Atkinson" , > "David Snelling" , > "Mark Sawyer (Mark Sawyer)" , > "FrancisWray" , >X-NeSC-Spam-Score: -104.954 () >ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00,DEAR_SOMETHING,USER_IN_WHITELIST >X-NeSC-Sender-Domain: nesc.ac.uk >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.49 on 129.215.30.10 >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at >mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov > >Dear GGFers & NexctGRIDers, > >I talked briefly to Alan Blatecky at the EGEE conferrence in Athens, >telling him about this proposed workshop. He said that he was willing >to be involved. At that time I described it as looking for best >practice in developing working relationships between projects and GGF. > >There was also a suggestion at Athens that EGEE also submit a workshop >for GGF14. I suggested that EGEE contribute to this proposed workshop >and then contribute to a workshop at GGF15. > >Malcolm > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Diana Engesser [mailto:dengesse at staffmail.ed.ac.uk] > >Sent: 22 April 2005 17:02 > >To: 'Ann M. Collins'; 'Julie Wulf-Knoerzer'; 'Steve Crumb'; > >communities at ggf.org > >Cc: Malcolm Atkinson; 'David Snelling'; Mark Sawyer (Mark > >Sawyer); 'FrancisWray'; neilc at epcc.ed.ac.uk > >Subject: RE: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID > >workshop at GGF > > > >Dear Anne, Julie and Steve, > > > >Please find attached the proposal for a workshop at GGF 14 > >with the title > >"Why, how and when to invest in working with GGF"- Improving > >Interaction > >between Grid Standards and Projects. This workshop would be > >organised and > >held by the NextGRID project [www.nextgrid.org] in which my colleagues > >Malcolm Atkinson, Dave Snelling, Mark Parsons and Neil Chue > >Hong are also > >involved. Please let me know if the information we provide is > >sufficient or > >if you need any more details to be able to consider our proposal. > > > >Best Regards, > > > >Diana > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Ann M. Collins [mailto:collins at ggf.org] > >Sent: 13 April 2005 21:56 > >To: 'Diana' > >Cc: office at ggf.org > >Subject: RE: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID > >workshop at GGF > > > >Dear Diana, > >I need some clarification on what you are proposing. Are you > >proposing a > >workshop for GGF14 or will NextGRID simply be holding a > >workshop directly > >following GGF14? Any clarification you can give me would > >help point you in > >the right direction. > >Best, > >Ann > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Ann M. Collins > >Director, Events & Conferences > >Global Grid Forum > >Tel: +1-630-252-4679 > >Fax: +1-630-252-4466 > >Mobile: +1-630-715-1943 > >Mail to: collins at ggf.org > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-ggf-office at ggf.org > >[mailto:owner-ggf-office at ggf.org] On Behalf > >Of Diana > >Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:20 AM > >To: office at ggf.org > >Subject: [ggf-office] Running a co-located NextGRID workshop at GGF > > > > > >Dear Sir or Madam, > > > >We from the NextGRID project would possibly like to hold a co-located > >workshop during the next GGF. Prof Malcolm Atkinson is > >involved in NextGRID > >as are my colleague Neil Chue Hong and Mark Parsons. Could > >you advise me how > >to go about this? We don't have a specific title yet(likely > >something on > >security or workflow or SLA+QoS) and I am unsure about costs > >involved etc. I > >would appreciate any information you could give me. > > > >Best Regards, > > > >Diana Engesser > > > >PS: I have also sent my query to your colleague Anne Collins > >a while ago but > >have not heard anything. > > > > > >-------------------------------- > > > >Diana Engesser > >NextGRID Dissemination Manager > > > >EPCC > >The University of Edinburgh > >James Clerk Maxwell Building > >Mayfield Road > >EH9 3JZ Edinburgh > >UK > > > >Tel.: ++ 44 131 650 5077 > >Fax.: ++ 44 131 650 6555 > > > >Email: D.Engesser at epcc.ed.ac.uk > > > >www.epcc.ed.ac.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf at ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466 From wulf at ggf.org Wed Apr 27 14:59:36 2005 From: wulf at ggf.org (Julie Wulf-Knoerzer) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 14:59:36 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] Fwd: [gfsg] Need response from AD's Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.2.20050427145531.04289740@localhost> We'd also like to do a Community poster. Your one-page area charters would be helpful in developing this (as well as the Community Participation Guide which we'd like to have ready by GGF14). Can you please give me an indication of when I can expect to see these? Thanks again, Julie >Delivered-To: grdfm-gfsg-outgoing at mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov >X-Original-To: grdfm-gfsg at mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov >Delivered-To: grdfm-gfsg at mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov >X-Sender: scrumb at smtp.mcs.anl.gov >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 >Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:56:42 -0500 >To: gfsg at ggf.org >From: Steve Crumb >Subject: [gfsg] Need response from AD's >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at >mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov >Sender: owner-gfsg at ggf.org >X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030616-p10 (Debian) at >mailbouncer.mcs.anl.gov > >All, > >This is the second request for content for our new Area posters and Area >pages. I need two things: > >1. One brief line describing your Area for the re-print of the Area poster >2. A brief (2-4 line) paragraph describing your Area for the new Area pages. > >I go to print on May 20, so having something by May 13 would be very >helpful. Earlier is even better! > >Olle, I've got yours, so Security is done. > >Thanks, > > >Steve Crumb >Executive Director, Global Grid Forum >+1 630-252-8610 (Office) >+1 630-915-3324 (Cell) >scrumb at ggf.org +++++++++++++++++++ ***New contact information as of 16-Feb*** Julie Wulf-Knoerzer Manager of Community Development wulf at ggf.org ph. 630/252-7163 fax 630/252-4466 From catlett at mcs.anl.gov Thu Apr 28 11:45:10 2005 From: catlett at mcs.anl.gov (Charlie Catlett) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:45:10 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] RE: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - April 5 Meeting In-Reply-To: <5D8E46F5AA2D8A428667B8787DEF216CD83263@hendrix.ad.nesc.ac.uk> References: <5D8E46F5AA2D8A428667B8787DEF216CD83263@hendrix.ad.nesc.ac.uk> Message-ID: Well, it's interesting for me to approach GGF from outside of the walls of power. :-) As I'm the one who approved all of the gauntlets and triplicate forms I certainly have no one else to blame! I need to get an answer on this more or less immediately, however, so can I get an official yes or no this week? I'm assuming since Julie contacted me about scheduling that we are going to get our visa approved. I spoke with Peter Arzberger (leads the PRAGMA group) and asked him to recruit 1 or 2 Asian co-chairs for the workshop - he will be pouring over the background information while on his flight to Singapore tonight for the PRAGMA meeting there. Next Monday I will hop on a plane to London, where I'll see Tony Hey on Tuesday and Wednesday at the GridToday industry summit. I mentioned this workshop to him in early April and he was interested, so I am hoping next week to get an eScience person to help co-chair. But my local co-chairs (Nancy WIlkins-Diehr from SDSC and Sebastien Goasguen from Purdue are doing the real work, though the list includes myself, Dennis and Ian Foster) are getting nervous about running out of time to organize and advertise. This last point is important, because the workshop really is being proposed to address GGF's community aspirations - to get more folks involved who would not normally already be coming to GGF. Thanks- CeC At 9:48 PM +0100 4/25/05, Malcolm Atkinson wrote: >Sorry Charlie to have been so demanding - that all looks great to me. I >never doubted that it would be. I partly posed the questions to see if >the old GROC criteria (which I had used in my judgements) were still the >ones GFSG would support. > >Malcolm > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Charlie Catlett [mailto:catlett at mcs.anl.gov] > >Sent: 18 April 2005 16:27 > >To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson > >Cc: ccgt at ggf.org > >Subject: Re: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - > >April 5 Meeting > > > >> > >>mpa> I read all three workshop proposals. > >>mpa> The questions look like the old GROC ones, and I notice > >that Charlie > >>mpa> didn't answer them and that the health grid only > >answered some of them. > > > >Ah, sorry I didn't run the GROC approval gauntlet correctly - we > >spend several hours in Seoul talking about how to get additional > >communities engaged in GGF and this was in direct response to that > >GFSG discussion. I did not realize I still needed to fill out the > >GROC forms in triplicate. :-) > > > >Appended is my response to Malcolm's two (not focused on one group; > >publication). Here is my official GROC application form: > > > >A) Workshop Title > > > >Science Gateways: Exploring Common Interfaces, Policies and > >Interactions between Grid Resources and Science Communities > > > >B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly > >incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if > >you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. > > > >Catlett (UC/ANL), Gannon (IU), Foster (UC/ANL), Wilkins-Diehr (UCSD), > >Goasguen (Purdue) > >Have requested contacts from Tony Hey and Satoshi Matsuoka for people > >doing similar work elsewhere to help organize. > > > >C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as > >well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop > >without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission > >info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF > >descriptions, etc. > > > >This workshop does not involve a particular RG/WG - it is intended to > >bring in new communities. However, we expect that some from the Life > >Sciences RG and GCE RG will participate. > > > >D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop > >description to be put on the program. > > > >Provided already > > > >E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two > >workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the > >talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put > >here. > > > >We will have 4-6 presentations from people who are building, or have > >built, science gateways (portals or application software that > >provides Grid resources to scientists). Three will be from the > >TeraGrid project, three from other projects as we find them (we are > >actively seeking). > > > >There will be 4-6 presentations regarding key technology/policy > >issues such as authentication and authorization, web services > >implementation strategies, etc. > > > >F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or > >outside GGF. > > > >Catlett, Foster and Gannon have pretty good track record > >right there... > > > >G) Duration of workshop - half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or > >whole day (4-5 slots) > > > >Whole day > > > >H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) > > > >Unsure - probably 100-150 > > > >I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to > >publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we > >will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational > >Document. > > > >GGF informational > > > > > >CeC > > > >>Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500 > >>To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, Charlie Catlett , > >>Dennis Gannon > >>From: Charlie Catlett > >>Subject: Re: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background > >>Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt at ggf.org > >>Bcc: > >>X-Attachments: > >> > >>Hi- > >>The purpose of the workshop is to bring together folks who are > >>trying to bring Grid capabilities to a particular science community > >>(atmospheric scientists, chemists, bioinformatics folks, etc.), and > >>who are looking to use web services and/or web portals to do so. I > >>am seeing these communities moving out ahead of GGF or the "grid" > >>experts or "portal" experts. This is creating a danger that those > >>of us running Grids or Grid resources will have a chaotic situation > >>where our key commmunities will each want to set up an ad-hoc > >>interaction mode with us to serve their communities. One will want > >>to use group accounts and another will want to install a custom > >>daemon on our machines. Another will want to use web services and > >>another will want .NET. > >> > >>The draft I circulated was a first cut at understanding what 10 > >>communities are trying to build, and all ten want to access Grid > >>resources in TeraGrid. Some are also building their own Grids, and > >>all would like to also access Grid resources in the UK or Japan. > >> > >>The idea of this workshop is to bring these consumers together with > >>one another and with producers to see if there are some things we > >>might agree on that can be implemented to nudge them toward some > >>common solutions. Now, some TeraGrid folks have made some headway > >>in looking at this and I would like to broaden that discussion to > >>others who are doing similar things (or should be). To this end I > >>asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch with the right person or > >>persons from the UK, and would like similar contacts from Japan > >>(Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere. > >> > >>I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity - we don't need GGF > >>to do that. We need GGF to help us broaden the effort by helping us > >>reach other communities. > >> > >>So I would expect to do a call for participation not to the producer > >>community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer population, portal experts), > >>though it would be good for them to participate, but to the consumer > >>community. I.e. those who don't really care that much about > >>standards or web services or grid technology other than that they > >>want to use them to serve their customers doing science. > >> > >>The draft I circulated would be used to structure the workshop, get > >>input from more consumer groups, get producer groups to talk about > >>how they are addressing these issues, and then update the document > >>as a GGF informational document. > >> > >> > >>CeC > >> > >>At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: > >>>Charlie, Dennis, > >>> > >>>I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's concern that it be a > >>>TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be considered. Here is a > >>>(form) letter, > >>>and with proper fulfillment of the workshop template and widespread > >>>solicitation to key portal groups in EU as well as AP, hopefully the > >>>concern will be addressed. > >>> > >>>(form letter is attached below) > >>> Satoshi > >>> > >>>---- > >>> > >>>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500 > >>>Charlie Catlett wrote: > >>> > >>>catlett> Friends- > >>>catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop > >mentioned a group > >>>catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document > >drafted in March I > >>>catlett> wanted to send it to you. It's very preliminary, > >but it shows that > >>>catlett> the group is serious and already getting work > >done. I expect an > >>>catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks > >since it was discussed > >>>catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the > >TeraGrid all-hands > >>>catlett> meeting earlier this week. I think this workshop > >will be very > >>>catlett> important to the community. My hope is that it will bring > >>>in some of > >>>catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community > >including people who are: > >>>catlett> > >>>catlett> - building portals for scientific communities > >>>catlett> - implementing web services on resources in > >operational grids > >>>catlett> - developing operational policies and mechanisms > >for varying degrees > >>>catlett> of authorization (from full access shell accounts > >to restricted > >>>catlett> service invocations) based on varying degrees of > >>>authentication (from > >>>catlett> highly trusted authentication to anonymous access) > >>>catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc. > >>>catlett> > >>>catlett> CeC > >>> > >>>----- > >>> > >>>Charlie, Dennis, > >>> > >>>Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal > >>>"Science Gateways Portals Workshop". > >>> > >>>I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and > >also on behalf > >>>of the newly proposed community council. > >>> > >>>As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to > >strengthen the > >>>community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council > >>>therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop > >oversight. In > >>>the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the > >>>workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as > >>>well as its exterior outreach. > >>> > >>>Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well > >as anybody > >>>else involved in your workshop organization. > >>> > >>>Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the > >process by sending > >>>you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid > >>>backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, > >nevertheless as you > >>>see the comments below indicate that there is room for > >improvement in > >>>the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions > >by reflect the > >>>comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) > >community council > >>>the revised version in about a week's time (around April > >15th). In the > >>>meantime as additional comments come along, which will be > >forwarded to > >>>you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make > >improvements > >>>as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. > >>> > >>>Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will > >>>want to allow some of the workshop to be a > >>>academically viable and recognizable activity from not only > >within the > >>>Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like > >>>to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of > >>>the content as well as the viability of its organizational > >manners. It > >>>is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the > >>>community council therein over the research groups. > >>> > >>>To quote one community council member: "I am passionate > >about the high > >>>value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build > >>>communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the > >need for new > >>>lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift > >towards narrow > >>>technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much > >>>diminished if the only effects are on those at the > >workshop. Hence the > >>>demand for publication and publicity." > >>> > >>>I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully > >work with the > >>>workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you > >host a high-quality > >>>and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the > >>>revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. > >>> > >>> Best Regards, > >>> Satoshi Matsuoka > >>> > >>> > >>>Comment 1: > >>>=== > >>>The Science Portals workshop looks a good topic, and we can > >trust Dennis > >>>and Charlie will run an excellent workshop. However, we > >need to take > >>>care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred or US centred. > > We should > >>>see others, from Asian grids and European grids engaged in > >planning / > >>>presenting IMHO. I can find some, but the recent week on > >portals at eSI > >>>led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names > >>>(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549), > >>>particularly UK ones. > >>> > >>>I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from Catania, bringing > >experience > >>>on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera > >>> https://genius.ct.infn.it/. > >We have used > >>>it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) for new user community > >>>induction. > >>> > >>>What is the planned model of communication? What should it > >not clash > >>>with? ... > >>> > >>>I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting > >questions answered > >>>and publication plan. > >>>=== > >>> > >>>Comment 2 (general): > >>>=== > >>>I think we might encourage more substantial publication > >such as journal > >>>special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) > >participants > >>>However in general I think we should let each workshop make > >its choice as > >>>"external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in > >>>some fashion > >>> > >>>=== > >>> > >>>Comment 3: (Satoshi) > >>>=== > >>>There are several groups in AP working on "Science Gateway" Portals, > >>>including those in Japan and Korea, and those should be contacted. > >>>For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and > >NAREGI's WP3/6 are > >>>working on high-level portals interface. Korea's K* Grid has several > >>>efforts in those regard. > >>> > >>>Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught > >pragma, with help > >>>from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is > >important to make > >>>the intentions clear so that not all the Grid portals on > >earth will try > >>>to participate and ask for a time slot. > >>> > >>>--------- > > > > From matsu at is.titech.ac.jp Fri Apr 29 15:53:57 2005 From: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp (Satoshi Matsuoka) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 05:53:57 +0900 Subject: [CCGT] RE: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - April 5 Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <5D8E46F5AA2D8A428667B8787DEF216CD83263@hendrix.ad.nesc.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20050429033456.1D71.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> Charlie, I think it was approved. If we are operating under an older model then it is either Dennis's or my duty to inform you. But since we are operating in an interum model where the scheduling decisions are being made by the organizers (Jule) and the decision is collective amongst the community council, where we seem to have unanimous agreement, I judge it is safe to assume that the workshop is officially approved and you are ready to proceed. Satoshi (M) On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:45:10 -0500 Charlie Catlett wrote: catlett> Well, it's interesting for me to approach GGF from outside of the catlett> walls of power. :-) As I'm the one who approved all of the catlett> gauntlets and triplicate forms I certainly have no one else to blame! catlett> catlett> I need to get an answer on this more or less immediately, however, so catlett> can I get an official yes or no this week? I'm assuming since Julie catlett> contacted me about scheduling that we are going to get our visa catlett> approved. catlett> catlett> I spoke with Peter Arzberger (leads the PRAGMA group) and asked him catlett> to recruit 1 or 2 Asian co-chairs for the workshop - he will be catlett> pouring over the background information while on his flight to catlett> Singapore tonight for the PRAGMA meeting there. catlett> catlett> Next Monday I will hop on a plane to London, where I'll see Tony Hey catlett> on Tuesday and Wednesday at the GridToday industry summit. I catlett> mentioned this workshop to him in early April and he was interested, catlett> so I am hoping next week to get an eScience person to help co-chair. catlett> catlett> But my local co-chairs (Nancy WIlkins-Diehr from SDSC and Sebastien catlett> Goasguen from Purdue are doing the real work, though the list catlett> includes myself, Dennis and Ian Foster) are getting nervous about catlett> running out of time to organize and advertise. catlett> catlett> This last point is important, because the workshop really is being catlett> proposed to address GGF's community aspirations - to get more folks catlett> involved who would not normally already be coming to GGF. catlett> catlett> Thanks- catlett> CeC catlett> catlett> catlett> At 9:48 PM +0100 4/25/05, Malcolm Atkinson wrote: catlett> >Sorry Charlie to have been so demanding - that all looks great to me. I catlett> >never doubted that it would be. I partly posed the questions to see if catlett> >the old GROC criteria (which I had used in my judgements) were still the catlett> >ones GFSG would support. catlett> > catlett> >Malcolm catlett> > catlett> > catlett> > >-----Original Message----- catlett> > >From: Charlie Catlett [mailto:catlett at mcs.anl.gov] catlett> > >Sent: 18 April 2005 16:27 catlett> > >To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson catlett> > >Cc: ccgt at ggf.org catlett> > >Subject: Re: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - catlett> > >April 5 Meeting catlett> > > catlett> > >> catlett> > >>mpa> I read all three workshop proposals. catlett> > >>mpa> The questions look like the old GROC ones, and I notice catlett> > >that Charlie catlett> > >>mpa> didn't answer them and that the health grid only catlett> > >answered some of them. catlett> > > catlett> > >Ah, sorry I didn't run the GROC approval gauntlet correctly - we catlett> > >spend several hours in Seoul talking about how to get additional catlett> > >communities engaged in GGF and this was in direct response to that catlett> > >GFSG discussion. I did not realize I still needed to fill out the catlett> > >GROC forms in triplicate. :-) catlett> > > catlett> > >Appended is my response to Malcolm's two (not focused on one group; catlett> > >publication). Here is my official GROC application form: catlett> > > catlett> > >A) Workshop Title catlett> > > catlett> > >Science Gateways: Exploring Common Interfaces, Policies and catlett> > >Interactions between Grid Resources and Science Communities catlett> > > catlett> > >B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly catlett> > >incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if catlett> > >you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. catlett> > > catlett> > >Catlett (UC/ANL), Gannon (IU), Foster (UC/ANL), Wilkins-Diehr (UCSD), catlett> > >Goasguen (Purdue) catlett> > >Have requested contacts from Tony Hey and Satoshi Matsuoka for people catlett> > >doing similar work elsewhere to help organize. catlett> > > catlett> > >C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as catlett> > >well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop catlett> > >without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission catlett> > >info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF catlett> > >descriptions, etc. catlett> > > catlett> > >This workshop does not involve a particular RG/WG - it is intended to catlett> > >bring in new communities. However, we expect that some from the Life catlett> > >Sciences RG and GCE RG will participate. catlett> > > catlett> > >D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop catlett> > >description to be put on the program. catlett> > > catlett> > >Provided already catlett> > > catlett> > >E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two catlett> > >workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the catlett> > >talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put catlett> > >here. catlett> > > catlett> > >We will have 4-6 presentations from people who are building, or have catlett> > >built, science gateways (portals or application software that catlett> > >provides Grid resources to scientists). Three will be from the catlett> > >TeraGrid project, three from other projects as we find them (we are catlett> > >actively seeking). catlett> > > catlett> > >There will be 4-6 presentations regarding key technology/policy catlett> > >issues such as authentication and authorization, web services catlett> > >implementation strategies, etc. catlett> > > catlett> > >F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or catlett> > >outside GGF. catlett> > > catlett> > >Catlett, Foster and Gannon have pretty good track record catlett> > >right there... catlett> > > catlett> > >G) Duration of workshop - half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or catlett> > >whole day (4-5 slots) catlett> > > catlett> > >Whole day catlett> > > catlett> > >H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) catlett> > > catlett> > >Unsure - probably 100-150 catlett> > > catlett> > >I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to catlett> > >publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we catlett> > >will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational catlett> > >Document. catlett> > > catlett> > >GGF informational catlett> > > catlett> > > catlett> > >CeC catlett> > > catlett> > >>Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500 catlett> > >>To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, Charlie Catlett , catlett> > >>Dennis Gannon catlett> > >>From: Charlie Catlett catlett> > >>Subject: Re: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background catlett> > >>Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt at ggf.org catlett> > >>Bcc: catlett> > >>X-Attachments: catlett> > >> catlett> > >>Hi- catlett> > >>The purpose of the workshop is to bring together folks who are catlett> > >>trying to bring Grid capabilities to a particular science community catlett> > >>(atmospheric scientists, chemists, bioinformatics folks, etc.), and catlett> > >>who are looking to use web services and/or web portals to do so. I catlett> > >>am seeing these communities moving out ahead of GGF or the "grid" catlett> > >>experts or "portal" experts. This is creating a danger that those catlett> > >>of us running Grids or Grid resources will have a chaotic situation catlett> > >>where our key commmunities will each want to set up an ad-hoc catlett> > >>interaction mode with us to serve their communities. One will want catlett> > >>to use group accounts and another will want to install a custom catlett> > >>daemon on our machines. Another will want to use web services and catlett> > >>another will want .NET. catlett> > >> catlett> > >>The draft I circulated was a first cut at understanding what 10 catlett> > >>communities are trying to build, and all ten want to access Grid catlett> > >>resources in TeraGrid. Some are also building their own Grids, and catlett> > >>all would like to also access Grid resources in the UK or Japan. catlett> > >> catlett> > >>The idea of this workshop is to bring these consumers together with catlett> > >>one another and with producers to see if there are some things we catlett> > >>might agree on that can be implemented to nudge them toward some catlett> > >>common solutions. Now, some TeraGrid folks have made some headway catlett> > >>in looking at this and I would like to broaden that discussion to catlett> > >>others who are doing similar things (or should be). To this end I catlett> > >>asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch with the right person or catlett> > >>persons from the UK, and would like similar contacts from Japan catlett> > >>(Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere. catlett> > >> catlett> > >>I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity - we don't need GGF catlett> > >>to do that. We need GGF to help us broaden the effort by helping us catlett> > >>reach other communities. catlett> > >> catlett> > >>So I would expect to do a call for participation not to the producer catlett> > >>community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer population, portal experts), catlett> > >>though it would be good for them to participate, but to the consumer catlett> > >>community. I.e. those who don't really care that much about catlett> > >>standards or web services or grid technology other than that they catlett> > >>want to use them to serve their customers doing science. catlett> > >> catlett> > >>The draft I circulated would be used to structure the workshop, get catlett> > >>input from more consumer groups, get producer groups to talk about catlett> > >>how they are addressing these issues, and then update the document catlett> > >>as a GGF informational document. catlett> > >> catlett> > >> catlett> > >>CeC catlett> > >> catlett> > >>At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: catlett> > >>>Charlie, Dennis, catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's concern that it be a catlett> > >>>TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be considered. Here is a catlett> > >>>(form) letter, catlett> > >>>and with proper fulfillment of the workshop template and widespread catlett> > >>>solicitation to key portal groups in EU as well as AP, hopefully the catlett> > >>>concern will be addressed. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>(form letter is attached below) catlett> > >>> Satoshi catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>---- catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500 catlett> > >>>Charlie Catlett wrote: catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>catlett> Friends- catlett> > >>>catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop catlett> > >mentioned a group catlett> > >>>catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document catlett> > >drafted in March I catlett> > >>>catlett> wanted to send it to you. It's very preliminary, catlett> > >but it shows that catlett> > >>>catlett> the group is serious and already getting work catlett> > >done. I expect an catlett> > >>>catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks catlett> > >since it was discussed catlett> > >>>catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the catlett> > >TeraGrid all-hands catlett> > >>>catlett> meeting earlier this week. I think this workshop catlett> > >will be very catlett> > >>>catlett> important to the community. My hope is that it will bring catlett> > >>>in some of catlett> > >>>catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community catlett> > >including people who are: catlett> > >>>catlett> catlett> > >>>catlett> - building portals for scientific communities catlett> > >>>catlett> - implementing web services on resources in catlett> > >operational grids catlett> > >>>catlett> - developing operational policies and mechanisms catlett> > >for varying degrees catlett> > >>>catlett> of authorization (from full access shell accounts catlett> > >to restricted catlett> > >>>catlett> service invocations) based on varying degrees of catlett> > >>>authentication (from catlett> > >>>catlett> highly trusted authentication to anonymous access) catlett> > >>>catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc. catlett> > >>>catlett> catlett> > >>>catlett> CeC catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>----- catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Charlie, Dennis, catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal catlett> > >>>"Science Gateways Portals Workshop". catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and catlett> > >also on behalf catlett> > >>>of the newly proposed community council. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to catlett> > >strengthen the catlett> > >>>community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council catlett> > >>>therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop catlett> > >oversight. In catlett> > >>>the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the catlett> > >>>workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as catlett> > >>>well as its exterior outreach. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well catlett> > >as anybody catlett> > >>>else involved in your workshop organization. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the catlett> > >process by sending catlett> > >>>you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid catlett> > >>>backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, catlett> > >nevertheless as you catlett> > >>>see the comments below indicate that there is room for catlett> > >improvement in catlett> > >>>the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions catlett> > >by reflect the catlett> > >>>comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) catlett> > >community council catlett> > >>>the revised version in about a week's time (around April catlett> > >15th). In the catlett> > >>>meantime as additional comments come along, which will be catlett> > >forwarded to catlett> > >>>you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make catlett> > >improvements catlett> > >>>as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will catlett> > >>>want to allow some of the workshop to be a catlett> > >>>academically viable and recognizable activity from not only catlett> > >within the catlett> > >>>Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like catlett> > >>>to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of catlett> > >>>the content as well as the viability of its organizational catlett> > >manners. It catlett> > >>>is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the catlett> > >>>community council therein over the research groups. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>To quote one community council member: "I am passionate catlett> > >about the high catlett> > >>>value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build catlett> > >>>communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the catlett> > >need for new catlett> > >>>lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift catlett> > >towards narrow catlett> > >>>technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much catlett> > >>>diminished if the only effects are on those at the catlett> > >workshop. Hence the catlett> > >>>demand for publication and publicity." catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully catlett> > >work with the catlett> > >>>workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you catlett> > >host a high-quality catlett> > >>>and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the catlett> > >>>revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>> Best Regards, catlett> > >>> Satoshi Matsuoka catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Comment 1: catlett> > >>>=== catlett> > >>>The Science Portals workshop looks a good topic, and we can catlett> > >trust Dennis catlett> > >>>and Charlie will run an excellent workshop. However, we catlett> > >need to take catlett> > >>>care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred or US centred. catlett> > > We should catlett> > >>>see others, from Asian grids and European grids engaged in catlett> > >planning / catlett> > >>>presenting IMHO. I can find some, but the recent week on catlett> > >portals at eSI catlett> > >>>led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names catlett> > >>>(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549), catlett> > >>>particularly UK ones. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from Catania, bringing catlett> > >experience catlett> > >>>on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera catlett> > >>> https://genius.ct.infn.it/. catlett> > >We have used catlett> > >>>it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) for new user community catlett> > >>>induction. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>What is the planned model of communication? What should it catlett> > >not clash catlett> > >>>with? ... catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting catlett> > >questions answered catlett> > >>>and publication plan. catlett> > >>>=== catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Comment 2 (general): catlett> > >>>=== catlett> > >>>I think we might encourage more substantial publication catlett> > >such as journal catlett> > >>>special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) catlett> > >participants catlett> > >>>However in general I think we should let each workshop make catlett> > >its choice as catlett> > >>>"external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in catlett> > >>>some fashion catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>=== catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Comment 3: (Satoshi) catlett> > >>>=== catlett> > >>>There are several groups in AP working on "Science Gateway" Portals, catlett> > >>>including those in Japan and Korea, and those should be contacted. catlett> > >>>For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and catlett> > >NAREGI's WP3/6 are catlett> > >>>working on high-level portals interface. Korea's K* Grid has several catlett> > >>>efforts in those regard. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught catlett> > >pragma, with help catlett> > >>>from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is catlett> > >important to make catlett> > >>>the intentions clear so that not all the Grid portals on catlett> > >earth will try catlett> > >>>to participate and ask for a time slot. catlett> > >>> catlett> > >>>--------- catlett> > > catlett> > > catlett> Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor Global Scientific Information and Computing Center & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences Tokyo Institute of Technology Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu at acm.org, matsu at is.titech.ac.jp From gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu Sat Apr 30 01:16:46 2005 From: gcf at grids.ucs.indiana.edu (Geoffrey Fox) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 01:16:46 -0500 Subject: [CCGT] RE: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - April 5 Meeting In-Reply-To: <20050429033456.1D71.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> References: <5D8E46F5AA2D8A428667B8787DEF216CD83263@hendrix.ad.nesc.ac.uk> <20050429033456.1D71.MATSU@is.titech.ac.jp> Message-ID: <427322CE.5040009@grids.ucs.indiana.edu> I agree -- go for it! Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: >Charlie, > >I think it was approved. If we are operating under an older model then >it is either Dennis's or my duty to inform you. But since we are >operating in an interum model where the scheduling decisions are being >made by the organizers (Jule) and the decision is collective amongst the >community council, where we seem to have unanimous agreement, I judge it >is safe to assume that the workshop is officially approved and you are >ready to proceed. > > Satoshi (M) > > >On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:45:10 -0500 >Charlie Catlett wrote: > >catlett> Well, it's interesting for me to approach GGF from outside of the >catlett> walls of power. :-) As I'm the one who approved all of the >catlett> gauntlets and triplicate forms I certainly have no one else to blame! >catlett> >catlett> I need to get an answer on this more or less immediately, however, so >catlett> can I get an official yes or no this week? I'm assuming since Julie >catlett> contacted me about scheduling that we are going to get our visa >catlett> approved. >catlett> >catlett> I spoke with Peter Arzberger (leads the PRAGMA group) and asked him >catlett> to recruit 1 or 2 Asian co-chairs for the workshop - he will be >catlett> pouring over the background information while on his flight to >catlett> Singapore tonight for the PRAGMA meeting there. >catlett> >catlett> Next Monday I will hop on a plane to London, where I'll see Tony Hey >catlett> on Tuesday and Wednesday at the GridToday industry summit. I >catlett> mentioned this workshop to him in early April and he was interested, >catlett> so I am hoping next week to get an eScience person to help co-chair. >catlett> >catlett> But my local co-chairs (Nancy WIlkins-Diehr from SDSC and Sebastien >catlett> Goasguen from Purdue are doing the real work, though the list >catlett> includes myself, Dennis and Ian Foster) are getting nervous about >catlett> running out of time to organize and advertise. >catlett> >catlett> This last point is important, because the workshop really is being >catlett> proposed to address GGF's community aspirations - to get more folks >catlett> involved who would not normally already be coming to GGF. >catlett> >catlett> Thanks- >catlett> CeC >catlett> >catlett> >catlett> At 9:48 PM +0100 4/25/05, Malcolm Atkinson wrote: >catlett> >Sorry Charlie to have been so demanding - that all looks great to me. I >catlett> >never doubted that it would be. I partly posed the questions to see if >catlett> >the old GROC criteria (which I had used in my judgements) were still the >catlett> >ones GFSG would support. >catlett> > >catlett> >Malcolm >catlett> > >catlett> > >catlett> > >-----Original Message----- >catlett> > >From: Charlie Catlett [mailto:catlett at mcs.anl.gov] >catlett> > >Sent: 18 April 2005 16:27 >catlett> > >To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson >catlett> > >Cc: ccgt at ggf.org >catlett> > >Subject: Re: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - >catlett> > >April 5 Meeting >catlett> > > >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>mpa> I read all three workshop proposals. >catlett> > >>mpa> The questions look like the old GROC ones, and I notice >catlett> > >that Charlie >catlett> > >>mpa> didn't answer them and that the health grid only >catlett> > >answered some of them. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Ah, sorry I didn't run the GROC approval gauntlet correctly - we >catlett> > >spend several hours in Seoul talking about how to get additional >catlett> > >communities engaged in GGF and this was in direct response to that >catlett> > >GFSG discussion. I did not realize I still needed to fill out the >catlett> > >GROC forms in triplicate. :-) >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Appended is my response to Malcolm's two (not focused on one group; >catlett> > >publication). Here is my official GROC application form: >catlett> > > >catlett> > >A) Workshop Title >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Science Gateways: Exploring Common Interfaces, Policies and >catlett> > >Interactions between Grid Resources and Science Communities >catlett> > > >catlett> > >B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly >catlett> > >incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if >catlett> > >you are a chair of an existing RG/WG. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Catlett (UC/ANL), Gannon (IU), Foster (UC/ANL), Wilkins-Diehr (UCSD), >catlett> > >Goasguen (Purdue) >catlett> > >Have requested contacts from Tony Hey and Satoshi Matsuoka for people >catlett> > >doing similar work elsewhere to help organize. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as >catlett> > >well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop >catlett> > >without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission >catlett> > >info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF >catlett> > >descriptions, etc. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >This workshop does not involve a particular RG/WG - it is intended to >catlett> > >bring in new communities. However, we expect that some from the Life >catlett> > >Sciences RG and GCE RG will participate. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop >catlett> > >description to be put on the program. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Provided already >catlett> > > >catlett> > >E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two >catlett> > >workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the >catlett> > >talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put >catlett> > >here. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >We will have 4-6 presentations from people who are building, or have >catlett> > >built, science gateways (portals or application software that >catlett> > >provides Grid resources to scientists). Three will be from the >catlett> > >TeraGrid project, three from other projects as we find them (we are >catlett> > >actively seeking). >catlett> > > >catlett> > >There will be 4-6 presentations regarding key technology/policy >catlett> > >issues such as authentication and authorization, web services >catlett> > >implementation strategies, etc. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or >catlett> > >outside GGF. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Catlett, Foster and Gannon have pretty good track record >catlett> > >right there... >catlett> > > >catlett> > >G) Duration of workshop - half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or >catlett> > >whole day (4-5 slots) >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Whole day >catlett> > > >catlett> > >H) Estimated # of participants (if possible) >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Unsure - probably 100-150 >catlett> > > >catlett> > >I) Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to >catlett> > >publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we >catlett> > >will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational >catlett> > >Document. >catlett> > > >catlett> > >GGF informational >catlett> > > >catlett> > > >catlett> > >CeC >catlett> > > >catlett> > >>Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500 >catlett> > >>To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, Charlie Catlett , >catlett> > >>Dennis Gannon >catlett> > >>From: Charlie Catlett >catlett> > >>Subject: Re: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background >catlett> > >>Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt at ggf.org >catlett> > >>Bcc: >catlett> > >>X-Attachments: >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>Hi- >catlett> > >>The purpose of the workshop is to bring together folks who are >catlett> > >>trying to bring Grid capabilities to a particular science community >catlett> > >>(atmospheric scientists, chemists, bioinformatics folks, etc.), and >catlett> > >>who are looking to use web services and/or web portals to do so. I >catlett> > >>am seeing these communities moving out ahead of GGF or the "grid" >catlett> > >>experts or "portal" experts. This is creating a danger that those >catlett> > >>of us running Grids or Grid resources will have a chaotic situation >catlett> > >>where our key commmunities will each want to set up an ad-hoc >catlett> > >>interaction mode with us to serve their communities. One will want >catlett> > >>to use group accounts and another will want to install a custom >catlett> > >>daemon on our machines. Another will want to use web services and >catlett> > >>another will want .NET. >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>The draft I circulated was a first cut at understanding what 10 >catlett> > >>communities are trying to build, and all ten want to access Grid >catlett> > >>resources in TeraGrid. Some are also building their own Grids, and >catlett> > >>all would like to also access Grid resources in the UK or Japan. >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>The idea of this workshop is to bring these consumers together with >catlett> > >>one another and with producers to see if there are some things we >catlett> > >>might agree on that can be implemented to nudge them toward some >catlett> > >>common solutions. Now, some TeraGrid folks have made some headway >catlett> > >>in looking at this and I would like to broaden that discussion to >catlett> > >>others who are doing similar things (or should be). To this end I >catlett> > >>asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch with the right person or >catlett> > >>persons from the UK, and would like similar contacts from Japan >catlett> > >>(Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere. >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity - we don't need GGF >catlett> > >>to do that. We need GGF to help us broaden the effort by helping us >catlett> > >>reach other communities. >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>So I would expect to do a call for participation not to the producer >catlett> > >>community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer population, portal experts), >catlett> > >>though it would be good for them to participate, but to the consumer >catlett> > >>community. I.e. those who don't really care that much about >catlett> > >>standards or web services or grid technology other than that they >catlett> > >>want to use them to serve their customers doing science. >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>The draft I circulated would be used to structure the workshop, get >catlett> > >>input from more consumer groups, get producer groups to talk about >catlett> > >>how they are addressing these issues, and then update the document >catlett> > >>as a GGF informational document. >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>CeC >catlett> > >> >catlett> > >>At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote: >catlett> > >>>Charlie, Dennis, >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's concern that it be a >catlett> > >>>TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be considered. Here is a >catlett> > >>>(form) letter, >catlett> > >>>and with proper fulfillment of the workshop template and widespread >catlett> > >>>solicitation to key portal groups in EU as well as AP, hopefully the >catlett> > >>>concern will be addressed. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>(form letter is attached below) >catlett> > >>> Satoshi >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>---- >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500 >catlett> > >>>Charlie Catlett wrote: >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>catlett> Friends- >catlett> > >>>catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop >catlett> > >mentioned a group >catlett> > >>>catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document >catlett> > >drafted in March I >catlett> > >>>catlett> wanted to send it to you. It's very preliminary, >catlett> > >but it shows that >catlett> > >>>catlett> the group is serious and already getting work >catlett> > >done. I expect an >catlett> > >>>catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks >catlett> > >since it was discussed >catlett> > >>>catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the >catlett> > >TeraGrid all-hands >catlett> > >>>catlett> meeting earlier this week. I think this workshop >catlett> > >will be very >catlett> > >>>catlett> important to the community. My hope is that it will bring >catlett> > >>>in some of >catlett> > >>>catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community >catlett> > >including people who are: >catlett> > >>>catlett> >catlett> > >>>catlett> - building portals for scientific communities >catlett> > >>>catlett> - implementing web services on resources in >catlett> > >operational grids >catlett> > >>>catlett> - developing operational policies and mechanisms >catlett> > >for varying degrees >catlett> > >>>catlett> of authorization (from full access shell accounts >catlett> > >to restricted >catlett> > >>>catlett> service invocations) based on varying degrees of >catlett> > >>>authentication (from >catlett> > >>>catlett> highly trusted authentication to anonymous access) >catlett> > >>>catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc. >catlett> > >>>catlett> >catlett> > >>>catlett> CeC >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>----- >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Charlie, Dennis, >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal >catlett> > >>>"Science Gateways Portals Workshop". >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and >catlett> > >also on behalf >catlett> > >>>of the newly proposed community council. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to >catlett> > >strengthen the >catlett> > >>>community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council >catlett> > >>>therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop >catlett> > >oversight. In >catlett> > >>>the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the >catlett> > >>>workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as >catlett> > >>>well as its exterior outreach. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well >catlett> > >as anybody >catlett> > >>>else involved in your workshop organization. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the >catlett> > >process by sending >catlett> > >>>you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid >catlett> > >>>backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, >catlett> > >nevertheless as you >catlett> > >>>see the comments below indicate that there is room for >catlett> > >improvement in >catlett> > >>>the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions >catlett> > >by reflect the >catlett> > >>>comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) >catlett> > >community council >catlett> > >>>the revised version in about a week's time (around April >catlett> > >15th). In the >catlett> > >>>meantime as additional comments come along, which will be >catlett> > >forwarded to >catlett> > >>>you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make >catlett> > >improvements >catlett> > >>>as well, please let us know where you would like to do so. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will >catlett> > >>>want to allow some of the workshop to be a >catlett> > >>>academically viable and recognizable activity from not only >catlett> > >within the >catlett> > >>>Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like >catlett> > >>>to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of >catlett> > >>>the content as well as the viability of its organizational >catlett> > >manners. It >catlett> > >>>is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the >catlett> > >>>community council therein over the research groups. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>To quote one community council member: "I am passionate >catlett> > >about the high >catlett> > >>>value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build >catlett> > >>>communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the >catlett> > >need for new >catlett> > >>>lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift >catlett> > >towards narrow >catlett> > >>>technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much >catlett> > >>>diminished if the only effects are on those at the >catlett> > >workshop. Hence the >catlett> > >>>demand for publication and publicity." >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully >catlett> > >work with the >catlett> > >>>workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you >catlett> > >host a high-quality >catlett> > >>>and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the >catlett> > >>>revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>> Best Regards, >catlett> > >>> Satoshi Matsuoka >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Comment 1: >catlett> > >>>=== >catlett> > >>>The Science Portals workshop looks a good topic, and we can >catlett> > >trust Dennis >catlett> > >>>and Charlie will run an excellent workshop. However, we >catlett> > >need to take >catlett> > >>>care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred or US centred. >catlett> > > We should >catlett> > >>>see others, from Asian grids and European grids engaged in >catlett> > >planning / >catlett> > >>>presenting IMHO. I can find some, but the recent week on >catlett> > >portals at eSI >catlett> > >>>led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names >catlett> > >>>(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549), >catlett> > >>>particularly UK ones. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from Catania, bringing >catlett> > >experience >catlett> > >>>on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera >catlett> > >>> https://genius.ct.infn.it/. >catlett> > >We have used >catlett> > >>>it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) for new user community >catlett> > >>>induction. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>What is the planned model of communication? What should it >catlett> > >not clash >catlett> > >>>with? ... >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting >catlett> > >questions answered >catlett> > >>>and publication plan. >catlett> > >>>=== >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Comment 2 (general): >catlett> > >>>=== >catlett> > >>>I think we might encourage more substantial publication >catlett> > >such as journal >catlett> > >>>special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) >catlett> > >participants >catlett> > >>>However in general I think we should let each workshop make >catlett> > >its choice as >catlett> > >>>"external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in >catlett> > >>>some fashion >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>=== >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Comment 3: (Satoshi) >catlett> > >>>=== >catlett> > >>>There are several groups in AP working on "Science Gateway" Portals, >catlett> > >>>including those in Japan and Korea, and those should be contacted. >catlett> > >>>For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and >catlett> > >NAREGI's WP3/6 are >catlett> > >>>working on high-level portals interface. Korea's K* Grid has several >catlett> > >>>efforts in those regard. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught >catlett> > >pragma, with help >catlett> > >>>from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is >catlett> > >important to make >catlett> > >>>the intentions clear so that not all the Grid portals on >catlett> > >earth will try >catlett> > >>>to participate and ask for a time slot. >catlett> > >>> >catlett> > >>>--------- >catlett> > > >catlett> > > >catlett> > >Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor >Global Scientific Information and Computing Center > & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences >Tokyo Institute of Technology >Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan >Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu at acm.org, matsu at is.titech.ac.jp > > > > -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977