Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes

Satoshi Matsuoka matsu at is.titech.ac.jp
Wed May 24 10:16:00 CDT 2006 


I agree with Mark's assemsment that the naming should be considered as a
pairing.

And I believe eScienece and eBusiness does connotate some generality as
a keyword rather than being somewhat solely priprietary to a particular
project or business.

As such I am somewhat leaning towards eScinece/eBusiness as well,
although we could invent new words to express the "g word" by saying
gScience and gBusiness :-)

						Satoshi at CERN

mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> So far, I think the contenders seem to be: 
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> eBusiness, eScience
mark.linesch> Industry, Research
mark.linesch> Enterprise, Research
mark.linesch> Business, Science
mark.linesch> ???????, Infrastructure
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> I have to confess that I am leaning toward "eBusiness, eScience". I
mark.linesch> realize that some do not like the "buzz word" nature of "e", however
mark.linesch> this seems to be the closest thing to describe our two "communities" in
mark.linesch> a somewhat clear and complementary manner using 1 word. I think these
mark.linesch> terms may be better than "Business and Science" in that they are
mark.linesch> commonly used to describe the "automation of business and scientific
mark.linesch> tasks and processes" and are thus more narrowly defined than the general
mark.linesch> terms of "Business, Science".  I also believe they are more
mark.linesch> complementary and descriptive than "Industry Research" or "Enterprise
mark.linesch> Research". 
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> Anyway, thought I would share my thoughts and happy to change my mind at
mark.linesch> least two or three more times :-) Mark 
mark.linesch>  
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> -----Original Message-----
mark.linesch> From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of Thilo
mark.linesch> Kielmann
mark.linesch> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:08 AM
mark.linesch> To: Alan Blatecky
mark.linesch> Cc: gcf at indiana.edu; 'Catlett Charlie'; cads at ggf.org; 'Gwen
mark.linesch> Nichols-White'
mark.linesch> Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote:
mark.linesch> > I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it 
mark.linesch> > is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly 
mark.linesch> > overlap with "Enterprise"  and the business communities.
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid"
mark.linesch> or "EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure. This would be
mark.linesch> the wrong name for what we are looking for.
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is
mark.linesch> what we intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we
mark.linesch> have scared away most of them.)
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> "research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use.
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used
mark.linesch> GGF internally for researchers?)
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> I suggest to use either
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> a) technology
mark.linesch> b) science and technology
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words.
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> Thilo
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> > 
mark.linesch> > Alan
mark.linesch> > 
mark.linesch> > -----Original Message-----
mark.linesch> > From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of 
mark.linesch> > Geoffrey Fox
mark.linesch> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM
mark.linesch> > To: Catlett Charlie
mark.linesch> > Cc: cads at ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White'
mark.linesch> > Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
mark.linesch> > 
mark.linesch> > Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates
mark.linesch> > 
mark.linesch> > Catlett Charlie wrote:
mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science
mark.linesch> > > name of a UK program, so too narrow
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research
mark.linesch> > > best not to define yet another new term which does not help
mark.linesch> > > communication (the point to choosing a word)
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure
mark.linesch> > > understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps
mark.linesch> > > too narrow
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > >>>> Science         (in spirit of NSF which also does education and 
mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering)
mark.linesch> > > ok, maybe, if we are going for one word*
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > >>>> Research
mark.linesch> > > no*
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > > * the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an
mark.linesch> > > academic-only corner.  I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" 
mark.linesch> > > because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented 
mark.linesch> > > organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are 
mark.linesch> > > talking e- or cyber- or grid.
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > > If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science
mark.linesch> > > (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research 
mark.linesch> > > (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an 
mark.linesch> > > academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like 
mark.linesch> > > e-Science or cyberinfrastructure.
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > > CeC
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > > On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > >> We are trying to find one word!
mark.linesch> > >> The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and
mark.linesch> > >> Development in it
mark.linesch> > >>
mark.linesch> > >> Robert Cohen wrote:
mark.linesch> > >>> I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or
mark.linesch> > >>> Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a 
mark.linesch> > >>> development environment or the research side of a corporation. 
mark.linesch> > >>> Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure 
mark.linesch> > >>> disappears.
mark.linesch> > >>>
mark.linesch> > >>> Bob
mark.linesch> > >>>
mark.linesch> > >>> Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
mark.linesch> > >>>> I vote for Science  - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has 
mark.linesch> > >>>> mentioned.
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education
mark.linesch> > >>>> (hence Research and Education networks)
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage
mark.linesch> > >>>> associated.
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge
mark.linesch> > >>>> range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> Alan
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
mark.linesch> > >>>> From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of
mark.linesch> > >>>> Geoffrey Fox
mark.linesch> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM
mark.linesch> > >>>> To: cads at ggf.org
mark.linesch> > >>>> Cc: Gwen Nichols-White
mark.linesch> > >>>> Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> .         Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> > >>>> shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the
mark.linesch> > >>>> "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize 
mark.linesch> > >>>> amongst the research community to ensure acceptance.  Final 
mark.linesch> > >>>> decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add 
mark.linesch> > >>>> names and then vote. Here is a start
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science
mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research
mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure
mark.linesch> > >>>> Science         (in spirit of NSF which also does education and 
mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering)
mark.linesch> > >>>> Research
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> All,
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting.
mark.linesch> > >>>> Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06.
mark.linesch> > >>>> Please call if you have questions.
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> Program Manager
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> Global Grid Forum
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> Office:  630-252-7163
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> Mobile:  630-337-3176
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> Fax:  630-252-4466
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> email:  gnwhite at ggf.org
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972
mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, 
mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>>
mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972
mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, 
mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207
mark.linesch> > >>>
mark.linesch> > >>
mark.linesch> > >> -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972
mark.linesch> > >> http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 
mark.linesch> > >> Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> > >> cell 8123910207
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > >
mark.linesch> > 
mark.linesch> > --
mark.linesch> > :
mark.linesch> > : Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
mark.linesch> > : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977
mark.linesch> > : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
mark.linesch> > 
mark.linesch> > 
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> 
mark.linesch> -- 
mark.linesch> Thilo Kielmann
mark.linesch> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/
mark.linesch> 

Satoshi Matsuoka,  Professor
Global Scientific Information and Computing Center 
 & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences
Tokyo Institute of Technology
Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan
Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876   E-mail: matsu at acm.org, matsu at is.titech.ac.jp

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