On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 02:29:41AM -0500, grarpamp wrote:

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Are these guys being represented by lawyers? If so, they should take an active role in regular consultation with their lawyers, with a view to: - handling the constitutional issues in the USA - handling the statute law in the USA - handling the intersection of the constitutional and statute law, in the USA A systematic and rigorous approach to discovering the man-made laws at issue (constitutional and statute), and how they relate to one another, may be useful. If public input is genuinely sought, and there is a genuine community around this, then something like Groklaw needs to be in place - some sort of wiki, where people can comment on one another's contributions, but where there is an authoritative "Linus" branch, so that free speech is upheld (all views are provided for), and the chosen path (the guys handling the charges, and their legal team) are also presented without "wiki" editing - so a curated "branch". Now besides: A) Constitutional law. B) Statute law. there is the third primary branch: C) Class-action, grass-roots style - some dozens | hundreds | thousands of people join to declare by fiat-declaration-of-the-people their intention, the righteous foundation of their intention, and the facts in support of their foundation and intention (petition, class action, etc) - this of necessity must be tailored for the case, and the jurisdiction (USA) - I'm in Australia and focused on our Aussie jurisdictions, and cannot afford to divest into USA jurisdictions. And note - from a legal perspective, there are various --legal-- foundations, e.g.: - statute law - constitution/ constitutional law - judge-made precedent, what some in "the legal fraternity" like to call "judicial common law", which is somewhat of a deceptive misnomer - common law, as in the customs, beliefs, and practices, of those fellow humans in my community, since time immemorial - bible-codified common law - that which can be gleaned as "law" or "common law" from the bible in primary/ dominant operation in the community at the time of the creation of your constitution (here in Oz, that would be the King James Bible authorised edition) The point which someone put to me a long time ago is that when you are in a battle for your future, and/ or for your very survival, why arbitrarily dismiss those foundations which may well be of great assistance to you in your legal battle? - the philosophical/ common sense writers such as have been pointed out on this list here and there, courtesy Juan, Steve, and many others - search this list for threads with the word "book" in the subject. E.g. - Noberto Bobbio, Liberalism and Democracy - the imperial law, or also called "imperial common law", e.g.: - Magna Carta - old English Bill of Rights ("William and Mary Cess") - http://peopleofthecommonwealth.blogspot.com.au/2009/12/high-court-rulings-on... And remember, Lord Coke’s quote “Common Law doth control Acts of parliament and adjudges them when against Common Right to be void.” (Lord Coke's finest moments have been belittled and the judiciary and systems of power have attempted to usurp his words to (mostly successfully) establish a contrarian point of view ever since - but this does not take away from his spoken foundation principles - some of his words are simply timeless, no matter what anyone says!) - the trial of William Penn Also, be familiar with the credit river decision. As in, the decision and the surrounding events, rather than the interpretations of others about the decision - find your own authority already! Good luck,