Re: Coronavirus Patients in China to beTreated with High-Dose Vitamin C in New Clinical Trial
24gm may well be too much acidity for the human body. Eckhard Rohric in Sydney Australia, was giving 2gm (2000mg) per day intravenous to cancer patients, and having significant success. Hopefully Wuhan U. will discover if 24gm/day over a week, is too much. On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 04:44:19PM +1000, Gil May wrote:
*Coronavirus Patients in China to be Treated with High-Dose Vitamin C in New Clinical Trial*
by Andrew W. Saul, Editor <http://orthomolecular.activehosted.com/index.php?action=social&chash=42a0e188f5033bc65bf8d78622277c4e.140&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33> Orthomolecular Medicine News Service <http://orthomolecular.activehosted.com/index.php?action=social&chash=42a0e188f5033bc65bf8d78622277c4e.140&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33>
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
(OMNS February 13, 2020) Breaking news: China is conducting a clinical trial of 24,000 mg/day of intravenous vitamin C to treat patients with coronavirus and severe respiratory complications. Participants will receive IV vitamin C for 7 days straight at Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University. Honor and thanks are due to Zhiyong Peng, MD, for making this happen. He is chief physician and professor at the hospital, which is close to ground zero for coronavirus. This important study was filed and announced yesterday and details may be confirmed at https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533 <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6283>
*At Zhongnan Hospital in Wuhan, China, 24,000 mg of vitamin C will be administered to coronavirus patients, intravenously, each day for 7 days.*
To fight a dangerous virus for which there is no existing medical treatment, you must rely on your own immune system. It is well established, in every nutrition textbook ever written, that you need vitamin C to make your immune system work well, or to even work at all. Inadequate vitamin C intake is a worldwide problem that can be immediately and economically fixed. With even modest amounts of supplemental vitamin C, deaths will decrease. In one study, a mere 200 mg of vitamin C/day resulted in an *80% decrease in deaths among severely ill, hospitalized respiratory disease patients.* [Hunt C et al. *Int J Vitam Nutr Res* 1994;64:212-19.] http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n09.shtml <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6284>
Another recent study used this same low 200 mg dose for infants and children under five years of age, with severe pneumonia. The authors concluded that
*“Vitamin C is effective in reducing duration of severe pneumonia in children less than five years of age. Oxygen saturation was improved in less than one day.”** [Khan IM et al. J Rawalpindi Med Coll (JRMC); 2014;18(1):55-57 http://www.journalrmc.com/volumes/1405749894.pdf <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6285> ]*
A lack of vitamin C has been long known, literally for decades, to increase susceptibility to viruses. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n06.shtml <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6259>
It is one thing to be sick from a virus and another thing entirely to die from a viral-instigated disease. The greatest danger with coronavirus is escalation to pneumonia. For this, much higher doses of vitamin C are indicated, preferably by IV.
How to administer high-dose intravenous vitamin C in hospital, Chinese language edition, is now posted for free access at http://www.doctoryourself.com/Coronavirus_Chinese_IV_C_Protocol.pdf <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6271> .
This information is now being publicized all over Asia. Just because it is not on the American news channels doesn’t mean it’s not happening. It is. This is real news. The fake news is the media’s neglect in not reporting it. And here is the protocol in English, to make reporting all the easier: http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6270>
*(OMNS Editor-in-Chief Andrew W. Saul is a member of the Medical and Scientific Advisory Board to the International Intravenous Vitamin C China Epidemic Medical Support Team. Its director is Richard Z. Cheng, MD, PhD; associate director is Hong Zhang, PhD. Other team members that American readers will recognize include Jeanne Drisko, MD (Professor, University of Kansas Medical School); Thomas Levy, MD, JD; and Atsuo Yanagisawa, MD, PhD. (Professor, Kyorin University, Tokyo).*
*Intravenous Vitamin C Protocol in English: http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6270>*
*IVC Protocol in Chinese: http://www.doctoryourself.com/Coronavirus_Chinese_IV_C_Protocol.pdf <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6271>*
As a person with a degree in chemistry, I doubt that 24 grams of vitamin C ("ascorbic acid") is "too much acidity". And even if it were, they could neutralize that acidity by reacting it with a base, like sodium, potassium, calcium, or magnesium, and take it in pill form. Much simpler than an IV drip. Over the last week or so, I have looked into a report from early February 2020 that pointed to an old anti-malarial drug chloroquine as impeding the reproduction of this COVID-19 virus "in vitro", meaning in the laboratory. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0 (As opposed to "in vivo", in a human body.). A similar report of this nature appeared in 2004. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15351731 It appears that testing of chloroquine is already occurring in China. I have read that chloroquine is an over-the-counter (non-prescription) drug in China. Chloroquine has a 45-55 day 'half-life' in the human body. It does have some significant toxicity issues. I expect that dosage will be something like, 'take 2-4 250mg pills, then after 30 days take another pill, then after 30 days take another pill, etc.' Jim Bell On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 01:35:53 AM PST, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote: 24gm may well be too much acidity for the human body. Eckhard Rohric in Sydney Australia, was giving 2gm (2000mg) per day intravenous to cancer patients, and having significant success. Hopefully Wuhan U. will discover if 24gm/day over a week, is too much. On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 04:44:19PM +1000, Gil May wrote:
*Coronavirus Patients in China to be Treated with High-Dose Vitamin C in New Clinical Trial*
by Andrew W. Saul, Editor <http://orthomolecular.activehosted.com/index.php?action=social&chash=42a0e188f5033bc65bf8d78622277c4e.140&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33> Orthomolecular Medicine News Service <http://orthomolecular.activehosted.com/index.php?action=social&chash=42a0e188f5033bc65bf8d78622277c4e.140&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33>
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
(OMNS February 13, 2020) Breaking news: China is conducting a clinical trial of 24,000 mg/day of intravenous vitamin C to treat patients with coronavirus and severe respiratory complications. Participants will receive IV vitamin C for 7 days straight at Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University. Honor and thanks are due to Zhiyong Peng, MD, for making this happen. He is chief physician and professor at the hospital, which is close to ground zero for coronavirus. This important study was filed and announced yesterday and details may be confirmed at https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533 <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6283>
*At Zhongnan Hospital in Wuhan, China, 24,000 mg of vitamin C will be administered to coronavirus patients, intravenously, each day for 7 days.*
To fight a dangerous virus for which there is no existing medical treatment, you must rely on your own immune system. It is well established, in every nutrition textbook ever written, that you need vitamin C to make your immune system work well, or to even work at all. Inadequate vitamin C intake is a worldwide problem that can be immediately and economically fixed. With even modest amounts of supplemental vitamin C, deaths will decrease. In one study, a mere 200 mg of vitamin C/day resulted in an *80% decrease in deaths among severely ill, hospitalized respiratory disease patients.* [Hunt C et al. *Int J Vitam Nutr Res* 1994;64:212-19.] http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n09.shtml <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6284>
Another recent study used this same low 200 mg dose for infants and children under five years of age, with severe pneumonia. The authors concluded that
*“Vitamin C is effective in reducing duration of severe pneumonia in children less than five years of age. Oxygen saturation was improved in less than one day.”** [Khan IM et al. J Rawalpindi Med Coll (JRMC); 2014;18(1):55-57 http://www.journalrmc.com/volumes/1405749894.pdf <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6285> ]*
A lack of vitamin C has been long known, literally for decades, to increase susceptibility to viruses. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n06.shtml <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6259>
It is one thing to be sick from a virus and another thing entirely to die from a viral-instigated disease. The greatest danger with coronavirus is escalation to pneumonia. For this, much higher doses of vitamin C are indicated, preferably by IV.
How to administer high-dose intravenous vitamin C in hospital, Chinese language edition, is now posted for free access at http://www.doctoryourself.com/Coronavirus_Chinese_IV_C_Protocol.pdf <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6271> .
This information is now being publicized all over Asia. Just because it is not on the American news channels doesn’t mean it’s not happening. It is. This is real news. The fake news is the media’s neglect in not reporting it. And here is the protocol in English, to make reporting all the easier: http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6270>
*(OMNS Editor-in-Chief Andrew W. Saul is a member of the Medical and Scientific Advisory Board to the International Intravenous Vitamin C China Epidemic Medical Support Team. Its director is Richard Z. Cheng, MD, PhD; associate director is Hong Zhang, PhD. Other team members that American readers will recognize include Jeanne Drisko, MD (Professor, University of Kansas Medical School); Thomas Levy, MD, JD; and Atsuo Yanagisawa, MD, PhD. (Professor, Kyorin University, Tokyo).*
*Intravenous Vitamin C Protocol in English: http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6270>*
*IVC Protocol in Chinese: http://www.doctoryourself.com/Coronavirus_Chinese_IV_C_Protocol.pdf <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6271>*
On 2/16/20 4:36 PM, jim bell wrote:
It appears that testing of chloroquine is already occurring in China.
Which US disinformation agency do you work for? You're talking about the FLU. The number of cases is already on the decline, rapidly. Even the US MSM news has given up on it as a Economic War tool.] and reported the rapid decline. Some Economic and Political Factors of Coronavirus Outbreak It is also worth noting that the global threat, posed by 2019-nCOV, appeared around the same time when it became apparent that there was a solid chance the trade conflict between two of the largest economies in the world (with the potential to turn into a full-scale war with world-wide repercussions) could be resolved. It is important, however, to point out that we are referring here to the prospect (not certainty). After all, the agreement between the United States and China, signed on January 15, 2020 offers an opportunity to gradually work out issues but does not guarantee that this process will be successful. And yet, this document has already made a substantial contribution to stabilizing the global economy. However, this positive outlook may now be overshadowed by the latest threat stemming from the panic caused by the news of the “2019-nCOV” epidemic. And its effect on the political situation in the world does not appear to be too far-reaching for now. If we choose not to concern ourselves with relatively “insignificant” matters, such as propaganda attacks against China in light of the “new” threat emanating from it (whose assessment, from Beijing’s perspective, is very biased, and does not correspond to that of WHO ), and embarrassing comments fueled by racism published by Western media outlets, we will realize that the main effect of the start and spread of the epidemic has been the exacerbation of the Taiwan Issue yet again. With links: https://journal-neo.org/2020/02/16/some-economic-and-political-factors-of-co... Also see: February 13, 2020 Coronavirus - Statistical Change Causes Confusion - New Case Count Continues To Decline The Chinese government has added a new category of infections to the total number of COVID-19 cases. So far there were two published categories. 'Suspected cases', which were people who may have come in contact with the virus and showed flu symptoms, and 'confirmed cases' of patients who fell ill and where the virus was found during tests. Now people who show signs of pneumonia will be added to the confirmed COVID-19 cases even when the tests do not find the nCov19 virus in their body. The same criteria will retroactively apply to the number of dead. People who died while showing signs of pneumonia are now counted as COVID-19 casualties even when their virus tests were negative. The new method only applies to Hubei Province which has by far the most of all global cases. The move added the 13,332 cases to the total number of cases. (To keep the trend numbers comparable the new addition is not incorporated in the above graphic.) The change was not well communicated and has caused some serious confusion. Some sources seem to believe that this increases the number of total cases while other sources say that it simply moves people from the 'suspected cases' category into a new sub category that runs under 'confirmed cases'. The motive for doing this is not clear. The case numbers will now include everyone who show signs of pneumonia but does not test positive for the nCoV19 virus. The new count will thereby include a lot of people who simply have a common flu. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/02/coronavirus-statistical-change-causes-...
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:36:41AM +0000, jim bell wrote:
As a person with a degree in chemistry, I doubt that 24 grams of vitamin C ("ascorbic acid") is "too much acidity". And even if it were, they could neutralize that acidity by reacting it with a base, like sodium, potassium, calcium, or magnesium, and take it in pill form. Much simpler than an IV drip.
But what's the efficacy delta for IV drip vs oral tablet? Put another way, perhaps we can ask what's the equivalent dosage for say 1gm IV, if you prefer to take oral, to achieve the same efficacy, and is the equivalency linear - e.g. 10gm IV, being 10 times 1gm, may not be the same linear increment for an oral dose? In any case, it's looking like Covid- "party like it's covid-99" -19, seems to be a catalyst for tests re using vitamin C for the flu: ----- Forwarded message from Gil May <gilmay97@gmail.com> ----- From: Gil May <gilmay97@gmail.com> To: reader@gmail.com Bcc: zen@freedbms.net Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2020 20:20:18 +1000 Subject: Saved from COVID-19 virus with Vitamin C in Wuhan: 20 grams per day Dr Richard Cheng from Shanghai China. Daughter’s story saved from COVID-19 virus with Vitamin C in Wuhan: 20 grams per day Intravenous 10 grams per day: Vitamin C produce hydrogen peroxide in the body Daily adult dosage 90 - 100 grams or 1.5 grams per kilo of body weight Daughter Claims Her Family Was Saved From COVID-19 by Vitamin C — MSM, WHO and Tech Giants All Say It’s ‘Fake News’ https://humansarefree.com/2020/03/daughter-claims-her-family-was-saved-from-... Treating Coronavirus with Intravenous Vitamin C (Orthomolecular Medicine Treatment for COVID-19) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yykY-_f2VFc Vitamin C and COVID-19 Coronavirus (UPDATE) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHJnLu2FTFM Shanghai Government Officially Recommends Vitamin C for COVID-19 Coronavirus: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUpz7JBtfDI China coronavirus video real leaked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6NPWyOizts Intravenous Vitamin C: Pathway to a New Therapy to Save Lives https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXs5Xzr6qCI Fralin Biomedical Research Institute Alpha A. "Berry" Fowler, III, M.D. William Taliaferro Thompson Professor of Medicine Division of Pulmonary Disease and Critical Care Medicine Department of Internal Medicine Director, The VCU Johnson Center for Critical Care and Pulmonary Research Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine Vitamin C as a Potential Treatment for Coronovirus (Covid-19) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShwoNC9kG6Y K Elmer 5.66K subscribers UPDATE 03/05/20: https://tinkersacademy.wordpress.com/... UPDATE 02/21/20: https://www.europereloaded.com/three-... Press Release dated Feb. 13, 2020 from ClinicalTrials.gov details the Zhongnan Hospital in Wuhan, China is now trialing the use of high dosage vitamin c as a treatment for Coronovirus. This video covers the possibility it will work and what you can do should you decide to try it for yourself. LINKS Vitamin C Trial https://orthomolecular.activehosted.c... Oxygen Therapy https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-Ne... Treating a Viral Infection with the Bob Beck Protocol https://youtu.be/xYuX-U4qM8E Vitamin C Documented Efficacy https://youtu.be/Bnl_euYq8yY https://www.journalrmc.com/volumes/14... Vitamin C Treatment Protocols http://orthomolecular.org/resources/o... http://orthomolecular.org/resources/o... http://www.doctoryourself.com/cathcar... Liposomal Vitamin C vs Regular Vitamin C https://www.dougcookrd.com/vitamin-c-... Materials (examples) Ascorbic Acid https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B... Sunflower Lethicin https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B... Hamilton Beach Blender https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B... Ultrasonic Cleaner https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B... Magnetic Stirrer https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B... My blog https://tinkersacademy.wordpress.com/
Over the last week or so, I have looked into a report from early February 2020 that pointed to an old anti-malarial drug chloroquine as impeding the reproduction of this COVID-19 virus "in vitro", meaning in the laboratory. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0 (As opposed to "in vivo", in a human body.). A similar report of this nature appeared in 2004. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15351731 It appears that testing of chloroquine is already occurring in China. I have read that chloroquine is an over-the-counter (non-prescription) drug in China.
Chloroquine has a 45-55 day 'half-life' in the human body. It does have some significant toxicity issues. I expect that dosage will be something like, 'take 2-4 250mg pills, then after 30 days take another pill, then after 30 days take another pill, etc.' Jim Bell
On Saturday, February 15, 2020, 01:35:53 AM PST, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
24gm may well be too much acidity for the human body.
Eckhard Rohric in Sydney Australia, was giving 2gm (2000mg) per day intravenous to cancer patients, and having significant success.
Hopefully Wuhan U. will discover if 24gm/day over a week, is too much.
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 04:44:19PM +1000, Gil May wrote:
*Coronavirus Patients in China to be Treated with High-Dose Vitamin C in New Clinical Trial*
by Andrew W. Saul, Editor <http://orthomolecular.activehosted.com/index.php?action=social&chash=42a0e188f5033bc65bf8d78622277c4e.140&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33> Orthomolecular Medicine News Service <http://orthomolecular.activehosted.com/index.php?action=social&chash=42a0e188f5033bc65bf8d78622277c4e.140&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33>
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
(OMNS February 13, 2020) Breaking news: China is conducting a clinical trial of 24,000 mg/day of intravenous vitamin C to treat patients with coronavirus and severe respiratory complications. Participants will receive IV vitamin C for 7 days straight at Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University. Honor and thanks are due to Zhiyong Peng, MD, for making this happen. He is chief physician and professor at the hospital, which is close to ground zero for coronavirus. This important study was filed and announced yesterday and details may be confirmed at https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533 <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6283>
*At Zhongnan Hospital in Wuhan, China, 24,000 mg of vitamin C will be administered to coronavirus patients, intravenously, each day for 7 days.*
To fight a dangerous virus for which there is no existing medical treatment, you must rely on your own immune system. It is well established, in every nutrition textbook ever written, that you need vitamin C to make your immune system work well, or to even work at all. Inadequate vitamin C intake is a worldwide problem that can be immediately and economically fixed. With even modest amounts of supplemental vitamin C, deaths will decrease. In one study, a mere 200 mg of vitamin C/day resulted in an *80% decrease in deaths among severely ill, hospitalized respiratory disease patients.* [Hunt C et al. *Int J Vitam Nutr Res* 1994;64:212-19.] http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n09.shtml <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6284>
Another recent study used this same low 200 mg dose for infants and children under five years of age, with severe pneumonia. The authors concluded that
*“Vitamin C is effective in reducing duration of severe pneumonia in children less than five years of age. Oxygen saturation was improved in less than one day.”** [Khan IM et al. J Rawalpindi Med Coll (JRMC); 2014;18(1):55-57 http://www.journalrmc.com/volumes/1405749894.pdf <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6285> ]*
A lack of vitamin C has been long known, literally for decades, to increase susceptibility to viruses. http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n06.shtml <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6259>
It is one thing to be sick from a virus and another thing entirely to die from a viral-instigated disease. The greatest danger with coronavirus is escalation to pneumonia. For this, much higher doses of vitamin C are indicated, preferably by IV.
How to administer high-dose intravenous vitamin C in hospital, Chinese language edition, is now posted for free access at http://www.doctoryourself.com/Coronavirus_Chinese_IV_C_Protocol.pdf <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6271> .
This information is now being publicized all over Asia. Just because it is not on the American news channels doesn’t mean it’s not happening. It is. This is real news. The fake news is the media’s neglect in not reporting it. And here is the protocol in English, to make reporting all the easier: http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6270>
*(OMNS Editor-in-Chief Andrew W. Saul is a member of the Medical and Scientific Advisory Board to the International Intravenous Vitamin C China Epidemic Medical Support Team. Its director is Richard Z. Cheng, MD, PhD; associate director is Hong Zhang, PhD. Other team members that American readers will recognize include Jeanne Drisko, MD (Professor, University of Kansas Medical School); Thomas Levy, MD, JD; and Atsuo Yanagisawa, MD, PhD. (Professor, Kyorin University, Tokyo).*
*Intravenous Vitamin C Protocol in English: http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n07.shtml <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6270>*
*IVC Protocol in Chinese: http://www.doctoryourself.com/Coronavirus_Chinese_IV_C_Protocol.pdf <https://orthomolecular.acemlna.com/lt.php?notrack=1&s=d185c2708608bef09bdb5476e2a16d33&i=136A140A1A6271>*
On Sun, Mar 08, 2020 at 10:16:13PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:36:41AM +0000, jim bell wrote:
As a person with a degree in chemistry, I doubt that 24 grams of vitamin C ("ascorbic acid") is "too much acidity". And even if it were, they could neutralize that acidity by reacting it with a base, like sodium, potassium, calcium, or magnesium, and take it in pill form. Much simpler than an IV drip.
But what's the efficacy delta for IV drip vs oral tablet?
Put another way, perhaps we can ask what's the equivalent dosage for say 1gm IV, if you prefer to take oral, to achieve the same efficacy, and is the equivalency linear - e.g. 10gm IV, being 10 times 1gm, may not be the same linear increment for an oral dose?
Just in: To: 'Zenaan Harkness' <zen@freedbms.net> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 08:32:22 +1100 Subject: RE: Coronavirus Patients in China to beTreated with High-Dose Vitamin C in New Clinical Trial Hey Zen, As you know I have read a lot on the subject of Vit C. The oral intravenous ratio is approximately a factor of 8. To get the same effect of 1 gram of intravenous you need to take 8 grams orally. It has also been tested that taking C intravenously is the same as taking it in the muscle. It has also been tested at doses intravenously of up to 300 grams in a 24 hour period without any toxic effect. It has also been observed that doses up to 300 grams act as an anti oxidant but over 300 grams it becomes oxidising. To ensure oral intake is not excessively acidic I add about 5% baking soda (aluminium free) to the C capsules I make. Each 00 capsule I make has approximately 800 mg of vitamin C. I also add about 5% lysine as an anti viral. I have the greatest confidence that none of my family will suffer the ill effects of any virus given our C regime. Cheers Andrew (I've also heard magnesium ascorbate/ magnesium carbonate if your sodium (salt) levels are too high...)
WHO, CDC and Wikipedia revisionism FTW :D How to make COVID-19 look "much worse" than the Spanish flu, with a little Wikipedia revisionism: Wikipedia Slashes Spanish Flu Death Rate https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-r... https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/09/wikipedia-slashes-spanish-flu-death-rate... ... The trouble with that is the higher range of this [REVISIONIST] estimate (50 million as 2% of total cases) gives a figure of 2.5 billion total cases. Which is higher than the entire population of the world at the time! (1.8 billion). So something is clearly amiss. Worse still, the WHO is the only source we have found so far that claims a death toll of 20 million. Most sources, such as the CDC (and see here), broadly agree that between 50 million and 100 million people died of the Spanish Flu (although one recent study wildly differs, see below). In order for 50-100 million deaths to be 2-3% of total cases there would have had to be 2.5 billion – 5 billion cases. Obviously totally impossible. Clearly there is something wrong with that newly revised figure of 2-3%. The only way to make it work is to also dramatically revise downward the number of deaths. And indeed there’s evidence of editors trying to do that on Wiki with someone citing a December 2018 study https://academic.oup.com/aje/article/187/12/2561/5092383/7/1404/5368300?redi... which used a controversial https://academic.oup.com/aje/article-abstract/188/7/1404/5368300?redirectedF... “new methodology” to establish a mortality figure of just 17 million. Given that this number has previously been estimated for India alone, this is remarkable revisionism. ... Why the sudden decision to vastly downgrade the estimated CFR for the 1918 pandemic and source to a rather obscure WHO article that doesn’t even focus on that issue? And, more importantly, why does this extreme downgrade still exist on the page even when editors are pointing out the impossibility of the figures? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spanish_flu&offset=&limit=500&action=history At least this new editorial policy by Wiki is well-timed for those looking to stoke fear, and unfortunate for those trying to bring reason to bear. It allows the media and others to cite the newly downgraded 2-3% CFR as evidence that COVID19 is as dangerous as, or more dangerous than, the Spanish Flu and will end up killing millions. That’s some nice clickbait right there. ...
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