On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 10:31 AM, John Young wrote:

With a $67B security market heading to $87B by 2016 why would any security firm settle for RSA piddling racketerring? ... Not saying the RSA bashers are diverting attention from their venality, that would be contrary to industry ethics to hide and be hidden, by that I mean journalism and advertising, publicity and campaign bribery, donations to computer education and conferences, dark web sales to rogues and spies, plagiarism and huffy indignation, sabotage and thievery, copyright and DMCA takedowns, well, why preach in this smokey chapel to the stogie-sucking porkies, don't they pay minimum taxes to betray the privacy of ordinary taxpayers who pay the most.

information security as a discipline or specialization should not exist. that systems, code, protocols, *, are built without "security" priorities, and without end-user privacy and availability paramount, is the dereliction of basic duty. we could try a different approach as complementary: security by self evident existence.[0]

FatSec Preacher bellows: Is there any industry more corrupt than the fatuous security industry?

FatSec Believers yell back: Nope, and newcomers are flocking in.

And so, the sated toads toddle out to fancy chariots stashing drunken investor bedmates, croaking,

"And we bloated firms are getting much fatter on hackers. and we pay them shady bitcoins them to boost the flab."

"bloated [.. and] fatter [...] hackers [paid in] shady bitcoins [...] to boost the flab [and excesses]" - sounds exactly like DEF CON 21 point in fact! :P P.S. i have discovered a chain of black ops infowar payments to JYA as proxy pressure against corporate players not sufficiently cow towing to powers as deemed fit. the list of disclosures on cryptome.org a persistent store of targeted retaliation as paid for by covert coin wallets https://blockchain.info/address/1P11b3Xkgagzex3fYusVcJ3ZTVsNwwnrBZ 0.0666 BTC from 1JM2M2n246Ug3niz4X1YxTsivM8JxuXahJ, 1NEwWKEYtewMYmUzSc11CTUEUj4XSUhoGy 0.1 BTC from mix 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"security by self evident existence" """ Red-Team Networks Everywhere!!! This effort attempts to remedy the pervasive and comprehensive vulnerability of consumer, industry, and government hardware and software systems. In order to achieve best effective posture with maximum haste apply four principles globally: 1) Blanket Legal Invulnerability Remove all criminal and civil liability for "hacking", computer trespass, and all related activities performed over data networks; establish proactive "shield" legislation to protect and encourage unrestricted security research of any subject on any network. extend to international agreements for blanket protection in all jurisdictions. 2) Educational Support Everywhere Establish lock picking, computing, and hacking curriculum in pre school through grade school with subsidized access to technical resources including mobile, tablet, laptop test equipment, grid/cloud computing on-demand, software defined radios with full receive/transmit, and gigabit internet service or faster. 3) Collaborative Competitions Organize a program of blue and red teaming challenges for educational and public participation at the district, regional, and national level cultivating expertise and rewarding it with hacking toys, access, and monies. 4) Privileged Positioning Direct and unrestricted backbone access to various individuals or groups who demonstrate competence in either the educational or competitive realms, in order for them to mount additional attack strategies against any reach-able target. this access must consist of both passive taps of backbone traffic as well as injection taps for raw packet transmission at core rates. this should be available on the Internet backbone at internet exchanges, private fiber through public right of way, and core networks of operators of licensed wireless spectrum. end result / strong attractor: Open software and hardware widely in use in post-privacy-protection-purge future will invert power structure to defender with near unassailable advantage in "cyber domain". Any attacker required to compete against the global, collaborative, massive, iterative-crowd-hardened systems publicly in use. as of jan 2014 https://peertech.org/rednet