---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lisa Winter <hvchat1@googlemail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2021 Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Questing regarding Team Cymru Tor Relays and Bridges Georg Koppen: Weird - I got the following reply a few hours after submitting the mail:

Your message has been rejected, probably because you are not subscribed to the mailing list and the list's policy is to prohibit non-members from posting to it.

However, I was already a subscribed and confirmed member at this post. Maybe someone decided to still approve it after someone else had already declined the message. Anyway, I hope this is being looked into, a reply regarding The Tor Projects official stance on Team Cymru would also be great, because right now, I avoid their relays and bridges like the plague. I decided to do some own research, and it seems like the Tor Project has a long-standing relationship with Team Cymru (at least since 2012, and maybe even earlier): https://blog.torproject.org/knock-knock-knockin-bridges-doors Still, I'm slightly paranoid when organizations like these start spinning up many different relays, effectively getting to see a substantial portion of the network's traffic. So long, Lisa 2021-03-22 17:17 GMT, Georg Koppen <gk@torproject.org>:

Lisa Winter:

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Hello list,

I just visited BridgeDB and got a bridge from "Team Cymru", according to the whois of the IP - should the Tor Project really allow a company trying to "track and take down threat actors and criminals around the globe" host a substantial portion of the network, according to their info page:

https://team-cymru.com/company/

The following was also very concerning:

"Team Cymru is comprised of former…" - ... - Law enforcement - ISP backbone engineers - ...

I suspect that they log connections to their relays and bridges, and maybe even more.

Such companies profit from gathering and selling information's, exploits and the likes.

bad-relays rejected this message, which is concerning.. I hope someone

I am not sure which message you are talking about but, for the record, that mailing list contains a quite similar mail from you. So, that one at least did not get rejected.

Georg

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here could redirect it to the right people, or do the Tor Project higher-ups know the people behind Team Cymru and vouch for them?

Bye, Lisa Winter