size of the imperial american nazi government
"Up until Collateral Murder we were a cause célèbre in the United States among various groups; actually we are still a cause célèbre, but it is in a smaller left-wing or libertarian right-wing community now.237 According to Reuters, across twenty-four countries we have the support of over three-quarters of the gen- eral population. Our support is worst in the United States, where we have the support of over 40 percent of the population, which is still pretty good considering what has been happening. As a result of embarrassing the US military and diplomatic class, we have had a counterattack. That counterattack is significant. This is a very significant power group that is not just at the top of the White House, it’s not just a few generals; rather, it is all the people con- nected to and profiting from that system. That’s about a third of the US population, all the way from Chelsea Clinton to someone in the gutters of San Antonio whose brother is deployed in Iraq. There are 900,000 people in the United States with top-secret security clear- ances at this moment. There are two and a half million that have classified security clearances.239 If we go back over the past twenty years and ask how many people had security clearances, maybe it is 15 million. If we then go and look at all their spouses and business partners and children we are looking at something like 30 percent of the population of the United States that is one degree removed from that ideological structure and that patronage system. It is quite diffi- cult in the United States to say something that is against that system." j. assange
-------- Original message --------From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> Date: 12/28/17 3:21 PM (GMT-08:00) To: cp <cypherpunks@cpunks.org> Subject: size of the imperial american nazi government
"Up until Collateral Murder we were a cause célèbre in the United States among various groups; actually we are still a cause célèbre, but it is in a smaller left-wing or libertarian right-wing community now.237 According to Reuters, across twenty-four countries we have the support of over three-quarters of the gen- eral population. Our support is worst in the United States, where we have the support of over 40 percent of the population, which is still pretty good considering what has been happening.
As a result of embarrassing the US military and diplomatic class, we have had a counterattack. That counterattack is significant. This is a very significant power group that is not just at the top of the White House, it’s not just a few generals; rather, it is all the people con- nected to and profiting from that system. That’s about a third of the US population, all the way from Chelsea Clinton to someone in the gutters of San Antonio whose brother is deployed in Iraq. There are 900,000 people in the United States with top-secret security clear- ances at this moment. There are two and a half million that have classified security clearances.239 If we go back over the past twenty years and ask how many people had security clearances, maybe it is 15 million. If we then go and look at all their spouses and business partners and children we are looking at something like 30 percent of the population of the United States that is one degree removed from that ideological structure and that patronage system. It is quite diffi- cult in the United States to say something that is against that system." j. assange ÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷
"...profiting from that system. That’s about a third of the US population, all the way from Chelsea Clinton to someone in the gutters of San Antonio whose brother is deployed in Iraq..."
My class analysis says the latter is a victim of capitalism, and is not PROFITING from the system, surviving within the system others profit from. Rr
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 09:08:08 -0800 g2s <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
"...profiting from that system. That’s about a third of the US population, all the way from Chelsea Clinton to someone in the gutters of San Antonio whose brother is deployed in Iraq..."
My class analysis says the latter is a victim of capitalism, and is not PROFITING from the system, surviving within the system others profit from. Rr
do you mean the soldier or his hypothetical brother? the soldier is obviously not a victim - on the contrary, he's the worst scum on the planet. And if he has a wife and children then those certainly profit from his daddy being a child murderer.
-------- Original message --------From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> Date: 12/29/17 9:42 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: size of the imperial american nazi government On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 09:08:08 -0800 g2s <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
"...profiting from that system. That’s about a third of the US population, all the way from Chelsea Clinton to someone in the gutters of San Antonio whose brother is deployed in Iraq..."
My class analysis says the latter is a victim of capitalism, and is not PROFITING from the system, surviving within the system others profit from. Rr
do you mean the soldier or his hypothetical brother? the soldier is obviously not a victim - on the contrary, he's the worst scum on the planet. And if he has a wife and children then those certainly profit from his daddy being a child murderer. I meant the brother in the gutter. I consider soldiers, typically, to be dupes. Suckers, and responsible for their stupidity, but educatable. During the Vietnam war th feds didn't permit draft resistance centers that educated soldiers to be located anywhere near military bases (by law... forget the exact distance) because of soldier attrition due to those operations. Underground railroad to canada, etc. Rr
On 12/29/2017 12:42 PM, juan wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 09:08:08 -0800 g2s <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
My class analysis says the latter is a victim of capitalism, and is not PROFITING from the system, surviving within the system others profit from. Rr
do you mean the soldier or his hypothetical brother? the soldier is obviously not a victim - on the contrary, he's the worst scum on the planet. And if he has a wife and children then those certainly profit from his daddy being a child murderer.
The grunt in question would most likely be a thing made of meat that always and only does exactly what its owners have programmed it to do. Holding it accountable for following its orders, as if it was capable of independent motivation and judgment, only makes sense in one context: As an act of propaganda aimed at conditioning the obedience of /other/ things made of meat that always and only do exactly what their owners have programmed them to do. Human-like things that have been programmed to loudly express unconditional hatred when confronted with any appearance or exercise of State and Corporate "authority" serve their State and Corporate masters with blind devotion. The fulfill their assigned civic duty by discrediting /all/ objections to exercises of State and Corporate authority as ignorant and irrational, and by physically obstructing attempts to organize any effective push-back against same. Reflexive obedience vs. reflexive disobedience presents an example of the "let's you and him fight" strategy, where whole national populations are manipulated into identifying each other as enemies. This process neutralizes the potential political power of whole populations. Result: Their rulers are free to do whatever, whenever - and to call that "democratic self rule." An angry fighter is a losing fighter. Stay angry, keep losing. :o/
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 19:40:44 -0500 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
On 12/29/2017 12:42 PM, juan wrote:
On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 09:08:08 -0800 g2s <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
My class analysis says the latter is a victim of capitalism, and is not PROFITING from the system, surviving within the system others profit from. Rr
do you mean the soldier or his hypothetical brother? the soldier is obviously not a victim - on the contrary, he's the worst scum on the planet. And if he has a wife and children then those certainly profit from his daddy being a child murderer.
The grunt in question would most likely be a thing made of meat that always and only does exactly what its owners have programmed it to do. Holding it accountable for following its orders, as if it was capable of independent motivation and judgment, only makes sense in one context: As an act of propaganda aimed at conditioning the obedience of /other/ things made of meat that always and only do exactly what their owners have programmed them to do.
I'm not 100% sure what you are trying to say, but I'm something like 99% sure... For starters, we are not talking about robots, we're talking about moral agents who choose to do bad things. And are responsible for their actions. It seems very arrogant to assume that 'poor' soldiers are retards who don't know what they are doing and are not as enlightened as you are.
Human-like things that have been programmed to loudly express unconditional hatred when confronted with any appearance or exercise of State and Corporate "authority" serve their State and Corporate masters
This is not the first time you seem to suggest that my calling a spade a spade means I'm doing what 'my' government masters want me to do. You know what? american soldiers are scum and deserve to be beaten to death. You disagree? Is that your 'quaker pacifism' applied to poor child murdering, americunt christian soldiers? You think I'm a gov't agent for making such an obvious point? Lol - maybe you should provide a more elaborate proof for your theory... Thing is, since your government hasn't invaded argentina yet, I'm free to tell the truth. I guess if I lived in the US, realtime electronic surveillance would mean that poor misguided cops could kick my door in realtime so it would be better to keep my mouth shut. But again, SWAT psychos haven't arrived here yet.
with blind devotion. The fulfill their assigned civic duty by discrediting /all/ objections to exercises of State and Corporate authority as ignorant and irrational, and by physically obstructing attempts to organize any effective push-back against same.
Reflexive obedience vs. reflexive disobedience
obedience is bad and disobedience is good. The 'reflexive' qualifier is pretty much irrelevant. Also, as noted above, in the case of government criminals, it isn't so much a matter of obedience as a matter of voluntary cooperation. Soldiers and cops don't actually do what they are told. They do what they want to do. To abuse people people while pretending to be the supreme 'law'.
presents an example of the "let's you and him fight" strategy, where whole national populations are manipulated into identifying each other as enemies.
So you are saying that american soldiers are not scum and those poor lost souls should be 'respected' because they are not the enemy. They are going to help you overthrow the government as soon as you 'teach' them how to be independent thinkers.
This process neutralizes the potential political power of whole populations. Result: Their rulers are free to do whatever, whenever - and to call that "democratic self rule."
The rulers are free to do what they want because your soldiers and cops are willing to extermiante dissenters.
An angry fighter is a losing fighter. Stay angry, keep losing.
meh, if you are not angry maybe you should reduce your intake of blue pills
:o/
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