Sometimes Putin is a little bit cruel.
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/classic-putin-asks-west-explain-differ... Bad, bad Putin - you know such trolling embarrasses 'the west' (certainly can't call our politicians 'leaders', although sadly we do on the whole seem to follow them).
And speaking again of 'moderate terrorists': http://fortruss.blogspot.ru/2015/10/russian-justice-moderate-ammo-for.html On 10/5/15, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/classic-putin-asks-west-explain-differ...
Bad, bad Putin - you know such trolling embarrasses 'the west' (certainly can't call our politicians 'leaders', although sadly we do on the whole seem to follow them).
Dnia poniedziałek, 5 października 2015 00:45:02 Zenaan Harkness pisze:
http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/classic-putin-asks-west-explain-differ ence-between-moderate-and-immoderate-armed-groups-cue
Bad, bad Putin - you know such trolling embarrasses 'the west' (certainly can't call our politicians 'leaders', although sadly we do on the whole seem to follow them).
I wonder what would Putin say about the difference between Chechen "turhrists" and Donbas "freedom fighters"... -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 11:26:02AM +0200, rysiek wrote:
I wonder what would Putin say about the difference between Chechen "turhrists" and Donbas "freedom fighters"...
Follow _official_ russian media and thou shalt know the _official_ truth ;) btw, I heard sometimes russians countertroll ``weird deaths'' of opponents with arguments along the line "how comes Kennedy and John Lennon were killed?".
On 10/05/2015 02:26 AM, rysiek wrote:
I wonder what would Putin say about the difference between Chechen "turhrists" and Donbas "freedom fighters"... I know what Porter Goss would say about the Chechens:
“I can tell you that there is a role in my mind, a proper role, for covert action to continue. And I would not call it ‘paramilitary’. I would call it ‘pure covert action’. And that would be things happening to the benefit of national security that just seem to happen. And there is not an American flag on them. And if somebody came to the President of the United States, he would be able to say, ‘I don’t know what you’re talking about.’”
~Porter Goss, former director of the CIA, Ship of Spies, BBC Radio 4, 15 January 2011 http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00xgqx9 In case you’re wondering WHY so many Chechens are in the United States... Tagged: #DirtyWars
Dnia poniedziałek, 5 października 2015 10:27:31 Razer pisze:
On 10/05/2015 02:26 AM, rysiek wrote:
I wonder what would Putin say about the difference between Chechen "turhrists" and Donbas "freedom fighters"...
I know what Porter Goss would say about the Chechens:
“I can tell you that there is a role in my mind, a proper role, for covert action to continue. And I would not call it ‘paramilitary’. I would call it ‘pure covert action’. And that would be things happening to the benefit of national security that just seem to happen. And there is not an American flag on them. And if somebody came to the President of the United States, he would be able to say, ‘I don’t know what you’re talking about.’”
~Porter Goss, former director of the CIA, Ship of Spies, BBC Radio 4, 15 January 2011
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00xgqx9
In case you’re wondering WHY so many Chechens are in the United States...
Tagged: #DirtyWars
That works great both ways, doesn't it? If we want to go down that path, why are we only looking for CIA where there's action against Russia? Why aren't wee looking for FSB where there is action against the US? Not saying any of these (CIA in Chechnya, FSB in Iraq or Afghanistan, etc) is true -- or not. But at least we can try to use the same measure in both cases. ;) -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On 10/06/2015 03:19 PM, rysiek wrote:
Not saying any of these (CIA in Chechnya, FSB in Iraq or Afghanistan, etc)
George Soros (for instance), NOT CIA. That's how you get true plausible deniability. The Russians have no person like that. They use their foreign policy channels. Anyone as wealthy as Soros in Russia (if there is such a person) is a Kleptocrat and generally want to destroy the Russian government, not assist it. Example of what Porter Goss meant: Right now the US is making claims via the Daily Beast that the Russians bombed a hospital in al-Nusra/ISIS HQ Idlib Syria. The US government is making NO CLAIM AT ALL. They're leaving it to the Western NGO backed hospital's staff and a guy whose CV is:
"Oubai Shahbandar is a Syrian-American, former Department of Defense official, and currently serves as a Strategic Communications Advisor to the Syrian Coalition. With over seven years of experience working for the Department of Defense as a strategic analyst and foreign affairs specialist, Mr. Shahbandar has an extensive and diverse background in developing national security policy throughout the Middle East and South Asia. He served a one-year tour in Iraq from 2007 to 2008 during General Petraeus' surge as a strategic analyst supporting counterinsurgency operations and the U.S. military's outreach to the Sons of Iraq program."
You know what the "Sons of Iraq program" was rysiek? It was the publicly announced US attempt in Iraq to get al-Qaeda affiliated Sunnis to work as militias for the government, paid for by the US. The 'paymasters' were a little slow so most of them, much like the ISIS fighters in Idlib, of whom some most likely are those former 'sons', 'defected to al-Qaeda, and the guy mentioned above is a LONG TERM "Handler" for those folks as propaganda intermediary for the "Syrian Coalition", western governments, working for a PRIVATE NGO with no direct affiliation anymore to the CIA or Pentagon. RR PS. George Soros is only 4 degrees separated from al-Qaeda. He funds the "White Helmets" in Syria, the "Free Syrian Army's" fighter(1) SAR team that OCCASIONALLY rescues a civilian. Those FSA fighters defect to al-Nusra. 70 just did so and stated that was their intent from the git (2). al-Nusra swears allegiance to ISIS (3), and ISIS was formerly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq.(4) All the above has happened without one US dollar going through government channels (except the publicly known funding to train the defecting fighters).
On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 10:39:55 -0700 Razer <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 10/06/2015 03:19 PM, rysiek wrote:
Not saying any of these (CIA in Chechnya, FSB in Iraq or Afghanistan, etc)
George Soros (for instance), NOT CIA. That's how you get true plausible deniability.
Oh come on. Soros is a humanist, a 'libertarian', a champion of the 'free' 'regulated' market and the 'open' society. He would never do evil. Just like google and goldman sachs.
The Russians have no person like that. They use their foreign policy channels. Anyone as wealthy as Soros in Russia (if there is such a person) is a Kleptocrat and generally want to destroy the Russian
Example of what Porter Goss meant:
Right now the US is making claims via the Daily Beast that the Russians bombed a hospital in al-Nusra/ISIS HQ Idlib Syria.
The US government is making NO CLAIM AT ALL. They're leaving it to the Western NGO backed hospital's staff and a guy whose CV is:
"Oubai Shahbandar is a Syrian-American, former Department of Defense official, and currently serves as a Strategic Communications Advisor to the Syrian Coalition. With over seven years of experience working for the Department of Defense as a strategic analyst and foreign affairs specialist, Mr. Shahbandar has an extensive and diverse background in developing national security policy throughout the Middle East and South Asia. He served a one-year tour in Iraq from 2007 to 2008 during General Petraeus' surge as a strategic analyst supporting counterinsurgency operations and the U.S. military's outreach to the Sons of Iraq program."
You know what the "Sons of Iraq program" was rysiek?
It was the publicly announced US attempt in Iraq to get al-Qaeda affiliated Sunnis to work as militias for the government, paid for by the US. The 'paymasters' were a little slow so most of them, much like the ISIS fighters in Idlib, of whom some most likely are those former 'sons', 'defected to al-Qaeda, and the guy mentioned above is a LONG TERM "Handler" for those folks as propaganda intermediary for the "Syrian Coalition", western governments, working for a PRIVATE NGO with no direct affiliation anymore to the CIA or Pentagon.
RR
PS. George Soros is only 4 degrees separated from al-Qaeda.
He funds the "White Helmets" in Syria, the "Free Syrian Army's" fighter(1) SAR team that OCCASIONALLY rescues a civilian. Those FSA fighters defect to al-Nusra. 70 just did so and stated that was their intent from the git (2). al-Nusra swears allegiance to ISIS (3), and ISIS was formerly known as al-Qaeda in Iraq.(4)
All the above has happened without one US dollar going through government channels (except the publicly known funding to train the defecting fighters).
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