https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/12/the_limits_of_p.html - "The next time you call for assistance because the Internet service in
your home is not working, the 'technician' who comes to your door may actually be an undercover government agent. He will have secretly disconnected the service, knowing that you will naturally call for help and -- when he shows up at your door, impersonating a technician -- let him in. He will walk through each room of your house, claiming to diagnose the problem. Actually, he will be videotaping everything (and everyone) inside. He will have no reason to suspect you have broken the law, much less probable cause to obtain a search warrant. But that makes no difference, because by letting him in, you will have 'consented' to an intrusive search of your home"
* Александр:
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/12/the_limits_of_p.html
- "The next time you call for assistance because the Internet service in
your home is not working, the 'technician' who comes to your door may actually be an undercover government agent. He will have secretly disconnected the service, knowing that you will naturally call for help and -- when he shows up at your door, impersonating a technician -- let him in. He will walk through each room of your house, claiming to diagnose the problem. Actually, he will be videotaping everything (and everyone) inside. He will have no reason to suspect you have broken the law, much less probable cause to obtain a search warrant. But that makes no difference, because by letting him in, you will have 'consented' to an intrusive search of your home"
Isn't the only legally controversial aspect that they couldn't get a warrant *before* they started their covert operation? If they had a warrant, everything would be fine from a legal point of view, right?
Dnia niedziela, 21 grudnia 2014 18:53:20 Florian Weimer pisze:
* Александр:
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/12/the_limits_of_p.html
- "The next time you call for assistance because the Internet service in
your home is not working, the 'technician' who comes to your door may actually be an undercover government agent. He will have secretly disconnected the service, knowing that you will naturally call for help and -- when he shows up at your door, impersonating a technician -- let him in. He will walk through each room of your house, claiming to diagnose the problem. Actually, he will be videotaping everything (and everyone) inside. He will have no reason to suspect you have broken the law, much less probable cause to obtain a search warrant. But that makes no difference, because by letting him in, you will have 'consented' to an intrusive search of your home"
Isn't the only legally controversial aspect that they couldn't get a warrant *before* they started their covert operation? If they had a warrant, everything would be fine from a legal point of view, right?
Yes, and whatever Juan and others will start blabbering about in a few moments, it makes a world of practical difference, too. Even when law enforcement works closely with other branches of the state, and even if they tend to cooperate rather than do the "checks and balances" dance properly, it *still* requires *several people* to sign something *on paper*. And secondly, it's a simple matter of resources. If a LEA officer can do this at their whim on any given day and on any given house, they're going to do this *a lot*. But filling out paperwork, even if it's gonna be rubber-stamped by a friendly judge, still adds quite a bit of work to the process. Here, the thinking is along the lines of "make it ever more costly, in terms of time, work and money, and they will use it less". -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak
On Dec 23, 2014 5:16 PM, "rysiek" <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
And secondly, it's a simple matter of resources. If a LEA officer can do
at their whim on any given day and on any given house, they're going to do this *a lot*. But filling out paperwork, even if it's gonna be rubber-stamped by a friendly judge, still adds quite a bit of work to the process. Here,
this the
thinking is along the lines of "make it ever more costly, in terms of time, work and money, and they will use it less".
This is far from good defence. It might make a difference in the low value target spread, until form letters make it possible to obtain permission on a larger scale. Form letters make it into an "all you can eat" model.
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