On 08/02/2018 01:46 PM, juan wrote:
You never know ;) So have y'all heard any more about the cat fight between PIA-cofounder rasengan and ProtonVPN? The protonmail account on HN basically claimed that PIA cooperates with the Chinese government.[0] And that this accounts for the fact that the GFW wasn't blocking PIA as thoroughly as other VPN services. And that presumably triggered rasengan's attack on ProtonVPN and NordVPN.[0,1] He's criticized both for failing to disclose connections to Tesonet. And he's characterized Tesonet as a data-mining service, riffing on their competitive-intelligence pitch. Tesonet is apparently an enterprise VPN service, in Vilnius, which focuses on B2B competitive intelligence. So maybe the allegations regarding ProtonVPN and NordVPN are misleading. I mean, Tesonet is serving data miners, but is arguably not data-mining its own customers. And any VPN service could data-mine its customers ;) But it is quite the cat fight :) And really, it'd be amusing if PIA actually were China-centric. That'd arguably make them _more_ secure for those concerned about the NSA. 0) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17254113 1) https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/anyone-using-protonmail.394862/page-... (near the end)
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 14:05:04 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 08/02/2018 01:46 PM, juan wrote:
You never know ;)
So have y'all heard any more about the cat fight between PIA-cofounder rasengan and ProtonVPN? The protonmail account on HN basically claimed that PIA cooperates with the Chinese government.[0] And that this accounts for the fact that the GFW wasn't blocking PIA as thoroughly as other VPN services.
And that presumably triggered rasengan's attack on ProtonVPN and NordVPN.[0,1] He's criticized both for failing to disclose connections to Tesonet. And he's characterized Tesonet as a data-mining service, riffing on their competitive-intelligence pitch.
Tesonet is apparently an enterprise VPN service, in Vilnius, which focuses on B2B competitive intelligence. So maybe the allegations regarding ProtonVPN and NordVPN are misleading. I mean, Tesonet is serving data miners, but is arguably not data-mining its own customers. And any VPN service could data-mine its customers ;)
But it is quite the cat fight :)
And really, it'd be amusing if PIA actually were China-centric. That'd arguably make them _more_ secure for those concerned about the NSA.
Oh interesting. Thanks for the info. I wonder about falkvinge and PIA. My thoughts on the subject aren't too clear, but it's something along the lines of : falkvinge and and a vpn associated with him seem to be high profile/a high value target so they must have been attacked? Compromised?
0) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17254113 1) https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/anyone-using-protonmail.394862/page-... (near the end)
On 08/02/2018 09:54 PM, juan wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 14:05:04 -0700 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 08/02/2018 01:46 PM, juan wrote:
You never know ;)
So have y'all heard any more about the cat fight between PIA-cofounder rasengan and ProtonVPN? The protonmail account on HN basically claimed that PIA cooperates with the Chinese government.[0] And that this accounts for the fact that the GFW wasn't blocking PIA as thoroughly as other VPN services.
And that presumably triggered rasengan's attack on ProtonVPN and NordVPN.[0,1] He's criticized both for failing to disclose connections to Tesonet. And he's characterized Tesonet as a data-mining service, riffing on their competitive-intelligence pitch.
Tesonet is apparently an enterprise VPN service, in Vilnius, which focuses on B2B competitive intelligence. So maybe the allegations regarding ProtonVPN and NordVPN are misleading. I mean, Tesonet is serving data miners, but is arguably not data-mining its own customers. And any VPN service could data-mine its customers ;)
But it is quite the cat fight :)
And really, it'd be amusing if PIA actually were China-centric. That'd arguably make them _more_ secure for those concerned about the NSA.
Oh interesting. Thanks for the info.
And hey, now AirVPN has piled on NordVPN and ProtonVPN :) https://airvpn.org/topic/28876-why-you-can%E2%80%99t-trust-nordvpn/
I wonder about falkvinge and PIA. My thoughts on the subject aren't too clear, but it's something along the lines of : falkvinge and and a vpn associated with him seem to be high profile/a high value target so they must have been attacked? Compromised?
He's relatively new to PIA, since 2016. And I'm not sure what "head of privacy" means. I doubt that he has a very technical role. I'm overall somewhat ambivalent about PIA. A US court subpoenaed logs, and they said "we have no logs". And that was apparently the end of it. But that could of course have been just a dumbshow. They do support lots of privacy-friendly stuff, though. But bottom line, you can't assume that any VPN is honest and not compromised. That's just how it is. And so you must deal with it.
0) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17254113 1) https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/anyone-using-protonmail.394862/page-... (near the end)
Seems that until companies allow independant all access unannounced continual auditing of their hardware, software, business operations, comms and records... cats will continue clawing. Any business that opens itself to such audits and passes them continually... can command its own price and profit greatly, hopefully in cryptocurrency. It also makes them more immune to attack from the very govt's they claim to be 'not logging or cooperating' with. #OpenFabs , #OpenHW , #OpenSW , #OpenBIZ Doesn't matter who it's owned or made or run or shilled by, If you can't see it... you can't trust it. And these biz' have the balls to claim trustworthiness? Call me when a handful of cpunks chosen at random crawl up their backorifice and come out clean.
On Fri, Aug 03, 2018 at 01:27:25AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
Seems that until companies allow independant all access unannounced continual auditing of their hardware, software, business operations, comms and records... cats will continue clawing.
Any business that opens itself to such audits and passes them continually... can command its own price and profit greatly, hopefully in cryptocurrency.
It also makes them more immune to attack from the very govt's they claim to be 'not logging or cooperating' with.
#OpenFabs , #OpenHW , #OpenSW , #OpenBIZ
Doesn't matter who it's owned or made or run or shilled by, If you can't see it... you can't trust it. And these biz' have the balls to claim trustworthiness? Call me when a handful of cpunks chosen at random crawl up their backorifice and come out clean.
https://torrentfreak.com/ipvanish-no-logging-vpn-led-homeland-security-to-co... Fuck, I have an IPVanish account :( They claim that was the "old" management team in 2016, and now their "no logs ever" policy is "FOR REALZ"... heh. -- GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7
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