Use a no-logs VPN. The Tor project can’t help anonymously.Don’t respect a community where people who say they're incompetent behind each other's backs. in 2014, the daily log was leaked. Tor hasn't made a statement about it. And some of them work in highest ranked position on Google. And yesterday, the Tor community team leader asked me what this “leak” was. After He found out, Tor and the team leader didn't answer my questions. TOR may be transferring daily-log to an institution Sent from ProtonMail for iOS
On 9/28/21, zeynepaydogan <zeynepaydogan@protonmail.com> wrote:
Use a no-logs VPN.
No logs is often bullshit... VPN's may honestly launch with no logs, but soon turn to keeping logs, or logging and trojaning and NITting requested users by/for GovCorp, etc. Either way, you have zero insurance, audit, or inspection that anything they say regarding logs is true. There is also no penalty, if operators are not well known big public persons the VPN's just shutdown, rebrand, reboot. Assuming that everything is logged forever is the better starting point.
The Tor project can’t help anonymously.
Software tor is good at some things. But quite bad at other things. Even the NSA said "Tor Stinks" not all of the time, and that was based at least 10 years ago... today's NSA can say that tor stinks even worse at protecting users due to NSA and other attackers advancements in Traffic Analysis, Sybil, etc. Meanwhile tor's fundamental design and deployment has stayed 100% the same since day 1. NSA etc +1, Tor 0.
Don’t respect a community where
Don't respect a Tor Project that - lies false advertising to its users on its homepage - defrauds buyer of $2M worth of NFT by falsely claiming it was first onion - refuses to answer records requests from its userbase - kicks out contributors observers commentators for having different sociopolitical perspectives, exposing inconvienient truths, etc - bricks up and censors all its public comms channels - removes features being actively used by its users, claiming it has sole use-case authority over its userbase and users, while providing bogus orthagonal and non-detailed arguments to support removal - etc, etc, etc... read all the mail lists
in 2014, the daily log was leaked.
What exactly, with links, are you talking about?
Tor hasn't made a statement about it. Tor and the team leader didn't answer my questions.
Tor Project Inc, its employees, and core "community" of hangers-on, crumb gobbling handout chasers, wokesters, and opportunist$-by-association... haven't made statements or answered a lot of questions a lot of people have asked.
And some of them work in highest ranked position on Google.
Google are known spies and apologists for Governments, search results distorters, undue influencers, Youtube Censors, etc.
the Tor community team
Partisan, self-dealing, non-independant, censorious. Good luck trying to ombud anything to them.
TOR may be transferring daily-log to an institution
Tor has "partnered" with, been silent on, with such institutions like EDU's and research labs, and been called out for it in the past. Even some of them institutions were working to exploit users, even working for or giving exploit tech or de-anon'd users to governments. Tor also have a laughable "ethical research" policy, who have on numerous occaisions "convinced" public researchers to stop their proposed or works in progress, but all other attackers happily ignore and never write papers or full disclosure about, thus users remain in the public dark about details what tor really can and cannot do, what attacks are being attempted against them. And Tor Project whitewashes any remaining "coordinated release" through their professionally managed and massaged comms and prop channels. After all, Tor Project employees could lose their $Millions in government and donor funding if a more balanced picture was made, thus reducing the paychecks to zero, the home mortgages to default, etc. So is there any conflict of interest there, you decide. Tor the Project, and tor the software, are different but related and interdependent things. That makes some users and analysts uncomfortable. There are hardly any operational encrypted anonymous overlay networks from which to choose. Some exist for dedicated purposes like messaging, crypto, storage etc, but almost none are a general purpose transport net, or net for running existing IPv6 applications, etc. All thus, there should be new softwares made and launched from new and anonymous un-Projects. Use parts of designs from existing projects as needed. That is the cypherpunk way. Because... "Tor Stinks -- NSA".
Someone leaked the internal logs. (2014) Tor hasn’t felt the need to make any statements about the leaked data. when i asked, the community team lead (Tor) wrote to me He said: I'm curious about "the daily log was leaked". What does this exactly mean? He learned that information from me. Then Tor and he stopped. That's what I said. I wanted to keep people informed. Sent from ProtonMail for iOS Açık Çar, Eyl 29, 2021 06:32, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> yazdı:
On 9/28/21, zeynepaydogan <zeynepaydogan@protonmail.com> wrote:
Use a no-logs VPN.
No logs is often bullshit... VPN's may honestly launch with no logs, but soon turn to keeping logs, or logging and trojaning and NITting requested users by/for GovCorp, etc. Either way, you have zero insurance, audit, or inspection that anything they say regarding logs is true. There is also no penalty, if operators are not well known big public persons the VPN's just shutdown, rebrand, reboot.
Assuming that everything is logged forever is the better starting point.
The Tor project can’t help anonymously.
Software tor is good at some things. But quite bad at other things. Even the NSA said "Tor Stinks" not all of the time, and that was based at least 10 years ago... today's NSA can say that tor stinks even worse at protecting users due to NSA and other attackers advancements in Traffic Analysis, Sybil, etc. Meanwhile tor's fundamental design and deployment has stayed 100% the same since day 1. NSA etc +1, Tor 0.
Don’t respect a community where
Don't respect a Tor Project that - lies false advertising to its users on its homepage - defrauds buyer of $2M worth of NFT by falsely claiming it was first onion - refuses to answer records requests from its userbase - kicks out contributors observers commentators for having different sociopolitical perspectives, exposing inconvienient truths, etc - bricks up and censors all its public comms channels - removes features being actively used by its users, claiming it has sole use-case authority over its userbase and users, while providing bogus orthagonal and non-detailed arguments to support removal - etc, etc, etc... read all the mail lists
in 2014, the daily log was leaked.
What exactly, with links, are you talking about?
Tor hasn't made a statement about it. Tor and the team leader didn't answer my questions.
Tor Project Inc, its employees, and core "community" of hangers-on, crumb gobbling handout chasers, wokesters, and opportunist$-by-association... haven't made statements or answered a lot of questions a lot of people have asked.
And some of them work in highest ranked position on Google.
Google are known spies and apologists for Governments, search results distorters, undue influencers, Youtube Censors, etc.
the Tor community team
Partisan, self-dealing, non-independant, censorious. Good luck trying to ombud anything to them.
TOR may be transferring daily-log to an institution
Tor has "partnered" with, been silent on, with such institutions like EDU's and research labs, and been called out for it in the past. Even some of them institutions were working to exploit users, even working for or giving exploit tech or de-anon'd users to governments.
Tor also have a laughable "ethical research" policy, who have on numerous occaisions "convinced" public researchers to stop their proposed or works in progress, but all other attackers happily ignore and never write papers or full disclosure about, thus users remain in the public dark about details what tor really can and cannot do, what attacks are being attempted against them. And Tor Project whitewashes any remaining "coordinated release" through their professionally managed and massaged comms and prop channels.
After all, Tor Project employees could lose their $Millions in government and donor funding if a more balanced picture was made, thus reducing the paychecks to zero, the home mortgages to default, etc. So is there any conflict of interest there, you decide.
Tor the Project, and tor the software, are different but related and interdependent things. That makes some users and analysts uncomfortable.
There are hardly any operational encrypted anonymous overlay networks from which to choose. Some exist for dedicated purposes like messaging, crypto, storage etc, but almost none are a general purpose transport net, or net for running existing IPv6 applications, etc.
All thus, there should be new softwares made and launched from new and anonymous un-Projects. Use parts of designs from existing projects as needed.
That is the cypherpunk way.
Because... "Tor Stinks -- NSA".
Someone leaked the internal logs. (2014) Tor hasn’t felt the need to make any statements about the leaked data. when i asked, the community team lead (Tor) wrote to meHe said: I'm curious about "the daily log was leaked". What does this exactly mean? He learned that information from me. Then Tor and he stopped. That's what I said. I wanted to keep people informed. Sent from ProtonMail for iOS Açık Çar, Eyl 29, 2021 06:32, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> yazdı:
On 9/28/21, zeynepaydogan <zeynepaydogan@protonmail.com> wrote:
Use a no-logs VPN.
No logs is often bullshit... VPN's may honestly launch with no logs, but soon turn to keeping logs, or logging and trojaning and NITting requested users by/for GovCorp, etc. Either way, you have zero insurance, audit, or inspection that anything they say regarding logs is true. There is also no penalty, if operators are not well known big public persons the VPN's just shutdown, rebrand, reboot.
Assuming that everything is logged forever is the better starting point.
The Tor project can’t help anonymously.
Software tor is good at some things. But quite bad at other things. Even the NSA said "Tor Stinks" not all of the time, and that was based at least 10 years ago... today's NSA can say that tor stinks even worse at protecting users due to NSA and other attackers advancements in Traffic Analysis, Sybil, etc. Meanwhile tor's fundamental design and deployment has stayed 100% the same since day 1. NSA etc +1, Tor 0.
Don’t respect a community where
Don't respect a Tor Project that - lies false advertising to its users on its homepage - defrauds buyer of $2M worth of NFT by falsely claiming it was first onion - refuses to answer records requests from its userbase - kicks out contributors observers commentators for having different sociopolitical perspectives, exposing inconvienient truths, etc - bricks up and censors all its public comms channels - removes features being actively used by its users, claiming it has sole use-case authority over its userbase and users, while providing bogus orthagonal and non-detailed arguments to support removal - etc, etc, etc... read all the mail lists
in 2014, the daily log was leaked.
What exactly, with links, are you talking about?
Tor hasn't made a statement about it. Tor and the team leader didn't answer my questions.
Tor Project Inc, its employees, and core "community" of hangers-on, crumb gobbling handout chasers, wokesters, and opportunist$-by-association... haven't made statements or answered a lot of questions a lot of people have asked.
And some of them work in highest ranked position on Google.
Google are known spies and apologists for Governments, search results distorters, undue influencers, Youtube Censors, etc.
the Tor community team
Partisan, self-dealing, non-independant, censorious. Good luck trying to ombud anything to them.
TOR may be transferring daily-log to an institution
Tor has "partnered" with, been silent on, with such institutions like EDU's and research labs, and been called out for it in the past. Even some of them institutions were working to exploit users, even working for or giving exploit tech or de-anon'd users to governments.
Tor also have a laughable "ethical research" policy, who have on numerous occaisions "convinced" public researchers to stop their proposed or works in progress, but all other attackers happily ignore and never write papers or full disclosure about, thus users remain in the public dark about details what tor really can and cannot do, what attacks are being attempted against them. And Tor Project whitewashes any remaining "coordinated release" through their professionally managed and massaged comms and prop channels.
After all, Tor Project employees could lose their $Millions in government and donor funding if a more balanced picture was made, thus reducing the paychecks to zero, the home mortgages to default, etc. So is there any conflict of interest there, you decide.
Tor the Project, and tor the software, are different but related and interdependent things. That makes some users and analysts uncomfortable.
There are hardly any operational encrypted anonymous overlay networks from which to choose. Some exist for dedicated purposes like messaging, crypto, storage etc, but almost none are a general purpose transport net, or net for running existing IPv6 applications, etc.
All thus, there should be new softwares made and launched from new and anonymous un-Projects. Use parts of designs from existing projects as needed.
That is the cypherpunk way.
Because... "Tor Stinks -- NSA".
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