"... Then they came for me — and there was no one left to speak for me." Martin Niemöller (1892–1984), German Lutheran pastor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... "so glad" hey? This "glad"ness is the sad truth of our generation - despite (and regardless of) all the comedy, tragedy, indifference and corruption, the deepest issues of our day are inevitably sacrificed on the altar of virtue signalling, thus not only blindly indulging in the most superficial society the world has ever seen, but perpetuating its very existence. On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 05:09:44PM -0400, Joshua wrote:

I'm so glad to hear it!

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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mike Duvos<[mpd@wolf359.net](mailto:mpd@wolf359.net class=)> Date: On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:57 PM Subject: Fwd: Daily Stormer Hit From All Sides To: <[cypherpunks@cpunks.org](mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org )> CC:

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Everyone's favorite Neo-Nazi parody and trolling site, The Daily Stormer, written by Andrew Anglin, has had a bad several days. They published an article calling the road rage victim at the "Unite the Right " rally a "fat childless 32-year-old slut, " and the forces of political correctness went wild. GoDaddy gave them 24 hours to find a new domain registrar, and they moved to Google. Google cancelled their registration and froze the domain, preventing them from moving it again, effectively stealing it. They came back up as dailystormer.wang, in Chinese jurisdiction, but that domain was seized after a few hours. They then tried dailystormer.ru, but Cloudflare then dumped them after a Quartz article accused Cloudflare of "Enabling Hate. " Twitter then cancelled their status page. They've managed to get an onion address up, at dstormer6em3i4km.onion which points to the few places they haven't been kicked off of yet. With major chunks of important Internet infrastructure in the hands of giant private corporations, who can decline service to anyone at any time for any reason, unpopular speech can get stomped on without it technically being "censorship ", which is regulation of speech by the government. Reading The Daily Stormer doesn't make anyone a Nazi, anymore than reading The Landover Baptist Church makes someone a Baptist. It will be interesting to see what happens with the site, because right now, they are kind of the Spotted Owl in the free speech forest. -- Mike Duvos mpd@wolf359.net

On 08/16/2017 05:32 PM, Umair Chachar wrote:

Joshua, I think you might've missed what Mike was trying to say. With mega corporate overlords taking over control of the internet, they can deny any unpopular speech from being put on the internet just by declaring that it's "hate speech."

Literally what I just said could be counted as "hate speech" because it's such a subjective term. It's a threat to freedom of speech.

Sincerely, Umair Chachar

It's NOT specifically about speech. By definition anyone who would deny, or ESPOUSES the denial of someone's right to exist based on some unalterable feature of their existence like skin color of religion of birth forfeits not only forfeits their right to 'free speech', they forfeit the right to exist themselves, because to allow it implies you'd allow your own self-extermination. In other words you have to proactively act in self-defense. OFC then they claim to be the victims. Meanwhile the Stormer article that got them bounced from GoDaddy said (paraphrase) the woman who got run down (a tactic learned from 'islamic terrorists' btw) was a fat 30-something year old woman who hadn't bred and therefore she was worthless. What I said above about "ESPOUSES the denial of someone's right to exist based on..." is operational here. Also note during the Bundy Bozos Oregon standoff there were adolescents and teen speaking to a city meeting about the refuge occupation literally in tears claiming they were in abject fear of the Bundy crew. In other words. Terrorism. What do we do with terrorists? ESPECIALLY ones who terrorize CHILDREN? Death is too good for them. I can't wait to 'victimize' a few affluent white men who can afford 'tactical bacon' and replica military weapons (but forgot their clean socks and tidy [snigger] whities) I knew guys like that at the disc drive company I worked for. They moved from affluent white suburbs to places in semi-rural areas outside cities and were frightened of everything, imaginary marauders who were going to home-invade their semi-rural paradise, and the Mexican restaurant workers next door ('gangbangers' natch) too, and bought guns, and were the most likely people to crack and show up at work to slaughter their co-workers. Rr

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I'm so glad to hear it!

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Everyone's favorite Neo-Nazi parody and trolling site, The Daily Stormer, written by Andrew Anglin, has had a bad several days. They published an article calling the road rage victim at the "Unite the Right " rally a "fat childless 32-year-old slut, " and the forces of political correctness went wild. GoDaddy gave them 24 hours to find a new domain registrar, and they moved to Google. Google cancelled their registration and froze the domain, preventing them from moving it again, effectively stealing it. They came back up as dailystormer.wang, in Chinese jurisdiction, but that domain was seized after a few hours. They then tried dailystormer.ru, but Cloudflare then dumped them after a Quartz article accused Cloudflare of "Enabling Hate. " Twitter then cancelled their status page. They've managed to get an onion address up, at dstormer6em3i4km.onion which points to the few places they haven't been kicked off of yet. With major chunks of important Internet infrastructure in the hands of giant private corporations, who can decline service to anyone at any time for any reason, unpopular speech can get stomped on without it technically being "censorship ", which is regulation of speech by the government. Reading The Daily Stormer doesn't make anyone a Nazi, anymore than reading The Landover Baptist Church makes someone a Baptist. It will be interesting to see what happens with the site, because right now, they are kind of the Spotted Owl in the free speech forest. -- Mike Duvos mpd@wolf359.net

On 08/16/2017 07:38 PM, juan wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 19:27:26 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:

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In other words. Terrorism. What do we do with terrorists? ESPECIALLY ones who terrorize CHILDREN?

Death is too good for them.

are you talking about US 'military personnel'?

No. I was clearly talking about Bundy's bozos at the Oregon wildlife refuge standoff

Also note during the Bundy Bozos Oregon standoff there were adolescents and teen speaking to a city meeting about the refuge occupation literally in tears claiming they were in abject fear of the Bundy crew.

In other words. Terrorism. What do we do with terrorists? ESPECIALLY ones who terrorize CHILDREN?

Death is too good for them.

Rr

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 07:27:26PM -0700, Razer wrote:

On 08/16/2017 05:32 PM, Umair Chachar wrote:

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Joshua, I think you might've missed what Mike was trying to say. With mega corporate overlords taking over control of the internet, they can deny any unpopular speech from being put on the internet just by declaring that it's "hate speech."

Literally what I just said could be counted as "hate speech" because it's such a subjective term. It's a threat to freedom of speech.

Sincerely, Umair Chachar

It's NOT specifically about speech. By definition anyone who would deny, or ESPOUSES the denial of someone's right to exist

And that's just one of the bullshit lies you keep espousing, L! As you consistently mis-represent your "opponent"'s position, and try to do nothing with your "opponent"'s views but "shut it down", you are shutting down nothing other than your own strawman - but you know this, since it keeps getting pointed out to you, and you keep spewing this specific bullshit anyway. Your persistence in this bullshit demonstrates that not only are you politically active in your communication on something you consider important, but that you continue to take only a belligerent extremist position in your communication, leading the read to assume either: a) you are "rationally" assuming that such belligerence is beneficial to your preferred social cause/outcome; or b) you are unaware of the egregiousness of your "techniques" of communication and therefore the disingenuousness abundantly evident in your communication tactics, and fundamentally a fool. In either case, your level of belligerence is offensive. Any sane, rational person would absolutely support you in opposing horrible human behaviour, be it murder, torture or even lesser crimes such as intimidation. But how do you expect any sane rational person support your fundamentally Antifi-like "terrorist" tactics (to use a ridiculously overused and misused term these days)? Yes you have some great stories from your hey day of opposing The Man, with which you regale us occasionally - and hey, thanks, I enjoy reading these of course. And you know enough words to demonstrate an interest in "intellectual discourse". But damn, can you give up your persecution complex already and man the firetruck up?! By founding your entire discourse on a lie, and using this strawman to justify horror untold, you demonstrate that you, Razer or Leigh or whatever you want to be called today, ARE WELL ON THE WAY TO BEING AN ABOLUTE MONSTER. I tend to assume that overuse of THC leads to a sad and significant reduction in self awareness, but such an issue can never justify the horror you keep calling for - YOU either are, or are apparently becoming, the evil you claim to oppose! Good luck all, Zenaan

based on some unalterable feature of their existence like skin color of religion of birth forfeits not only forfeits their right to 'free speech', they forfeit the right to exist themselves, because to allow it implies you'd allow your own self-extermination. In other words you have to proactively act in self-defense.

OFC then they claim to be the victims.

Meanwhile the Stormer article that got them bounced from GoDaddy said (paraphrase) the woman who got run down (a tactic learned from 'islamic terrorists' btw) was a fat 30-something year old woman who hadn't bred and therefore she was worthless. What I said above about "ESPOUSES the denial of someone's right to exist based on..." is operational here.

Also note during the Bundy Bozos Oregon standoff there were adolescents and teen speaking to a city meeting about the refuge occupation literally in tears claiming they were in abject fear of the Bundy crew.

In other words. Terrorism. What do we do with terrorists? ESPECIALLY ones who terrorize CHILDREN?

Death is too good for them. I can't wait to 'victimize' a few affluent white men who can afford 'tactical bacon' and replica military weapons (but forgot their clean socks and tidy [snigger] whities) I knew guys like that at the disc drive company I worked for. They moved from affluent white suburbs to places in semi-rural areas outside cities and were frightened of everything, imaginary marauders who were going to home-invade their semi-rural paradise, and the Mexican restaurant workers next door ('gangbangers' natch) too, and bought guns, and were the most likely people to crack and show up at work to slaughter their co-workers.

Rr

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I'm so glad to hear it!

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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mike Duvos<mpd@wolf359.net <mailto:mpd@wolf359.net%20class=>> Date: On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 4:57 PM Subject: Fwd: Daily Stormer Hit From All Sides To: <cypherpunks@cpunks.org <mailto:cypherpunks@cpunks.org%20>> CC:

Everyone's favorite Neo-Nazi parody and trolling site, The Daily Stormer, written by Andrew Anglin, has had a bad several days. They published an article calling the road rage victim at the "Unite the Right " rally a "fat childless 32-year-old slut, " and the forces of political correctness went wild. GoDaddy gave them 24 hours to find a new domain registrar, and they moved to Google. Google cancelled their registration and froze the domain, preventing them from moving it again, effectively stealing it. They came back up as dailystormer.wang, in Chinese jurisdiction, but that domain was seized after a few hours. They then tried dailystormer.ru, but Cloudflare then dumped them after a Quartz article accused Cloudflare of "Enabling Hate. " Twitter then cancelled their status page. They've managed to get an onion address up, at dstormer6em3i4km.onion which points to the few places they haven't been kicked off of yet. With major chunks of important Internet infrastructure in the hands of giant private corporations, who can decline service to anyone at any time for any reason, unpopular speech can get stomped on without it technically being "censorship ", which is regulation of speech by the government. Reading The Daily Stormer doesn't make anyone a Nazi, anymore than reading The Landover Baptist Church makes someone a Baptist. It will be interesting to see what happens with the site, because right now, they are kind of the Spotted Owl in the free speech forest. -- Mike Duvos mpd@wolf359.net

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 08:10:53PM -0700, Razer wrote:

On 08/16/2017 08:03 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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In either case, your level of belligerence is offensive.

Good.

Rr

PS. I'm pretty sure I've posted this before, but it's on-topic here.

Strawmen can be fun to joust with, or to learn to joust with, but your persistent and conscious belligerence in using your strawmen to justify evil, is demonstrating that you, Razer/Leigh/L....., are a dangerous man who is on the journey to actual evil toward your fellow humans. Perhaps you ought caution yourself.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 01:03:05PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 07:27:26PM -0700, Razer wrote:

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On 08/16/2017 05:32 PM, Umair Chachar wrote:

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Joshua, I think you might've missed what Mike was trying to say. With mega corporate overlords taking over control of the internet, they can deny any unpopular speech from being put on the internet just by declaring that it's "hate speech."

Literally what I just said could be counted as "hate speech" because it's such a subjective term. It's a threat to freedom of speech.

Sincerely, Umair Chachar

It's NOT specifically about speech. By definition anyone who would deny, or ESPOUSES the denial of someone's right to exist

And that's just one of the bullshit lies you keep espousing, L!

Says the most vocally gullible person on the list, who sends a never ending stream of ridiculous bullshit stories, holocaust denials, russian propaganda, and general racist bullshit that is completely irrelevant to the supposed purpose of cypherpunks.

As you consistently mis-represent your "opponent"'s position, and try to do nothing with your "opponent"'s views but "shut it down", you are shutting down nothing other than your own strawman - but you know this, since it keeps getting pointed out to you, and you keep spewing this specific bullshit anyway.

Your persistence in this bullshit demonstrates that not only are you politically active in your communication on something you consider important, but that you continue to take only a belligerent extremist position in your communication, leading the read to assume either:

a) you are "rationally" assuming that such belligerence is beneficial to your preferred social cause/outcome; or

b) you are unaware of the egregiousness of your "techniques" of communication and therefore the disingenuousness abundantly evident in your communication tactics, and fundamentally a fool.

In either case, your level of belligerence is offensive.

Says Captain Death Squad. Sing some more paens to Duterte and Putin, some more ((exposes)), and then talk about who is offensive. <snip>

On 08/16/2017 07:32 PM, Mike Duvos wrote:

Oddly, Tucker Carlson just said almost the same thing on his show.

I can pull an extremely similar exposition from cypherpunks archives I wrote a few days ago, addressing ZeNazi I believe. I should check to see if Carlson plagiarized me, but truth be told, what I wrote IS "Bottom Line" in any society that doesn't volunteer to be over-run by murderous scumbags.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rO9boyLL0

In a few months, there will be uncensorable versions of every single service that kicked The Daily Stormer off today. The Internet responds pretty quickly to attempts to damage the free flow of information.

I don't think the dark web folks care for nazis much either. Nazis have a long history of collaboration with cooperative governments, and the US government is a known collaborative government (operation gladio for instance) Rr

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Umair Chachar <uchachar@protonmail.com> wrote:

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Joshua, I think you might've missed what Mike was trying to say. With mega corporate overlords taking over control of the internet, they can deny any unpopular speech from being put on the internet just by declaring that it's "hate speech."

On 08/16/2017 08:11 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

Indeed.

Mencken comes to mind:

" The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. " H. L. Mencken, US editor (1880 - 1956) http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/29591.html https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:H._L._Mencken

You're confused about whose oppressing whom. A middle class white person with an automatic weapon, 'tactical bacon', dirty socks, and briefs with 'racing stripes' terrorizing children is an oppressor and should be marked for extermination... with malice aforethought. Then we can all go back to living in peace. Without oppression by the aforementioned self-victimizing scumbags Rr

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 07:32:39PM -0700, Mike Duvos wrote:

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Oddly, Tucker Carlson just said almost the same thing on his show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rO9boyLL0

In a few months, there will be uncensorable versions of every single service that kicked The Daily Stormer off today. The Internet responds pretty quickly to attempts to damage the free flow of information.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Umair Chachar <uchachar@protonmail.com> wrote:

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Joshua, I think you might've missed what Mike was trying to say. With mega corporate overlords taking over control of the internet, they can deny any unpopular speech from being put on the internet just by declaring that it's "hate speech."

On 08/16/2017 08:35 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 08:16:44PM -0700, Razer wrote:

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On 08/16/2017 08:11 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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Indeed.

Mencken comes to mind:

" The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. " H. L. Mencken, US editor (1880 - 1956) http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/29591.html https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:H._L._Mencken

You're confused about whose oppressing whom.

A middle class white person with an automatic weapon, 'tactical bacon', dirty socks, and briefs with 'racing stripes' terrorizing children is an oppressor and should be marked for extermination... with malice aforethought.

I hope that the legal process is conducted fairly and impartially, and by the things you seem to suggest and seem to incite on this list, you should perhaps hope for fair and impartial legal processes too... glass houses and all...

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Then we can all go back to living in peace. Without oppression by the aforementioned You are not being oppressed, that would be ...

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self-victimizing

One more time... "By definition anyone who would deny, or ESPOUSES the denial of someone's right to exist based on some unalterable feature of their existence like skin color of religion of birth forfeits not only forfeits their right to 'free speech', they forfeit the right to exist themselves, because to allow it implies you'd allow your own self-extermination. In other words you have to proactively act in self-defense." Nazi ideology's mere existence implies oppression. Rr

"oh mirror, mirror on the wall, whose the victimest of them all, of course it's me, Razer unclear, tell me now, lest hammer on you should fall!"

Razer! You should not treat your mirror with such intimidation now...

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scumbags One highly disturbing event, is your foregone conclusion (you may be right about the individual, but ...) ?

How .. anarchistically anarchist... or something

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Rr

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On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 07:32:39PM -0700, Mike Duvos wrote:

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Oddly, Tucker Carlson just said almost the same thing on his show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rO9boyLL0

In a few months, there will be uncensorable versions of every single service that kicked The Daily Stormer off today. The Internet responds pretty quickly to attempts to damage the free flow of information.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Umair Chachar <uchachar@protonmail.com> wrote:

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Joshua, I think you might've missed what Mike was trying to say. With mega corporate overlords taking over control of the internet, they can deny any unpopular speech from being put on the internet just by declaring that it's "hate speech."

On 08/16/2017 08:45 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

One more time: put up some facts

They've been presented, but you see the Nazi ideology (Fascist ideology in general) is pretty impervious to them; Facts that go against their MYTHS. But otoh, Nazis aren't missing a few relatives in the wake of WWII because of their denial of facts. Keep going stupid. You're burying yourself with your own twisted 'logic'. Rr

On 08/16/2017 09:00 PM, jim bell wrote:

*From:* Razer <g2s@riseup.net>

On 08/16/2017 08:11 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

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Mencken comes to mind: The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all. " H. L. Mencken, US editor (1880 - 1956) http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/29591.html https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:H._L._Mencken

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You're confused about whose oppressing whom.

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A middle class white person with an automatic weapon, 'tactical bacon',

A 'tactical bacon'? Is that for hitting Muslims? ("Oink!!!") Jim Bell

It ain't BEEF bacon (albeit I sort of doubt it's really been anything resembling 'meat' for quite some time) Tactical Bacon ...clean socks, and tidy whities... The Bundy Bozos forgot the latter two at home and were begging for them. I could only imagine these guys burying themselves in a dirt mound or leaf much, or breathing through a reed in the muck of a swamp for hours waiting for the 'enemy' to appear. NOT! They can't even handle not having clean socks! Maybe they can hire a Mexican or Guatemalan to do it for them. Their gardener might know someone... Rr

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On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:28:14PM -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

On 08/16/2017 03:57 PM, Mike Duvos wrote:

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It will be interesting to see what happens with the site, because right now, they are kind of the Spotted Owl in the free speech forest.

Honestly, I think we're overdue for SCOTUS to make some new rulings on the First Amendment, though I am not sure I want the current SCOTUS to be the one making those rulings. (We all know Merrick Garland should be on the bench in place of Gorsuch, or at least should have gotten a proper "nay" vote.)

How much of what is or was on The Daily Stormer could be qualified in some form as "fighting words" (i.e. in the words of Justice Frank Murphy "those [words] which by their very utterances inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace")? How much of what has been posted to this list could potentially qualify?

I'm not Jewish and nowhere near black, yet I find what happened in Charlottesville horrifying. This is 2017, not 1957 or 1877.

-- Shawn K. Quinn <skquinn@rushpost.com> http://www.rantroulette.com http://www.skqrecordquest.com

Astounding anarchist position from Shawn Quin, AS USUAL. You're up there with Chomsky's "pro" science stand :D

On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 22:45:44 -0500 "Shawn K. Quinn" <skquinn@rushpost.com> wrote:

On 08/16/2017 10:08 PM, #$%&#$ %&#$%&#$ wrote:

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#$%&#$%&#$ %&#$%&#$% &#$%&#$% &#$% Shawn Quin, #$ %&#$%.

The correct spelling of my name was (and is) in my signature and the from line. Intentionally misspelling my name only shows your own ignorance and lack of respect.

that's the first thing ever you got right, shill quinn, I have a lot more respect for, say, rats than for a piece of shit like you. You get exactly as much respect as you deserve : zero.

Moderator, please remove the person I am replying to from the list.

as far as I know there's no moderator in this list. Why don't you go back to whatever fascist cybercesspool you came from? If you have trouble sending email, call the cops, they will assist you.

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 10:45:44PM -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

On 08/16/2017 10:08 PM, #$%&#$ %&#$%&#$ wrote:

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#$%&#$%&#$ %&#$%&#$% &#$%&#$% &#$% Shawn Quin, #$ %&#$%.

The correct spelling of my name was (and is) in my signature and the from line. Intentionally misspelling my name only shows your own ignorance and lack of respect.

Tell your bloody employer's IT dept that they their "Quinn posts tracking script" not only needs to be updated, but should be very easy to do. I'll even do it for the lazy bastards - here ya go: - egrep -i --count 'shawn( k\.?)? quinn' + egrep -i --count 'shawn( k\.?)? quinn?' Sheesh ...

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:28:14PM -0500, Shawn K. Quinn wrote:

On 08/16/2017 03:57 PM, Mike Duvos wrote:

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It will be interesting to see what happens with the site, because right now, they are kind of the Spotted Owl in the free speech forest.

Honestly, I think we're overdue for SCOTUS to make some new rulings on the First Amendment, though I am not sure I want the current SCOTUS to be the one making those rulings. (We all know Merrick Garland should be on the bench in place of Gorsuch, or at least should have gotten a proper "nay" vote.)

How much of what is or was on The Daily Stormer could be qualified in some form as "fighting words" (i.e. in the words of Justice Frank Murphy "those [words] which by their very utterances inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace")? How much of what has been posted to this list could potentially qualify?

I'm not Jewish and nowhere near black, yet I find what happened in Charlottesville horrifying. This is 2017, not 1957 or 1877.

I agree, and I'm not jewish or anywhere near black either, but I found the Charlottesville shit disgusting as well. My visceral reaction to it, particularly to the Vice documentary that was put out very quickly on Sunday (an effective piece of propaganda against the neo-nazis), followed by the dailystormer article totally celebrating the murder of Heather Heyer, was "Fuck Andrew Anglin". But, upon calming down (and sobering up, actually), I think this is setting a dangerous precedent. Being blocked at the level of the domain registrar is different than being thrown out of a hosting service, and this seems like a slippery slope. We block nazi bullshit now, whose to say corporate interests don't creep in and use this as a wedge to block sites supposedly "infringing copyright", or any of a number of possibilities. I guess what I'm saying is, I stand by "Fuck Andrew Anglin", but I think this hysterical reaction to take down his (admittedly vile) website, even at the level of the domain registrar, is going too far.

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:03:46 -0400 John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:

But, upon calming down (and sobering up, actually), I think this is setting a dangerous precedent. Being blocked at the level of the domain registrar is different than being thrown out of a hosting service, and this seems like a slippery slope. We block nazi bullshit now,

which nazi bullshit do 'you'(plural) 'block' exactly? www.nsa.gov ? www.fda.gov ? www.tsa.gov ? www.dea.gov ? www.cia.gov ? www.fbi.gov ? www.irs.gov ? adl.com.gov ? www.pentagon.mil ? which redirects to www.defense.gov ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change http://www.mintpressnews.com/perpetual-war-indefinite-detention-torture-u-s-... <insert here endless list of wars in which the american pieces of shit murderer tens of millions so that bankers in wall street - half of them joos - and joe sixpack can have the "standard of living" that jesus, moses and the torah granted to them> Looks like I could go on for a very long while... But hey, we can have nazis like your pal shill quinn and razer feeling oh so morally superior...to what exactly?

whose to say corporate interests don't creep in and use this as a wedge to block sites supposedly "infringing copyright", or any of a number of possibilities.

I guess what I'm saying is, I stand by "Fuck Andrew Anglin", but I think this hysterical reaction to take down his (admittedly vile) website, even at the level of the domain registrar, is going too far.

On Aug 17, 2017, at 5:06 PM, John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:

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On Aug 17, 2017, at 3:56 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:03:46 -0400 John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:

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But, upon calming down (and sobering up, actually), I think this is setting a dangerous precedent. Being blocked at the level of the domain registrar is different than being thrown out of a hosting service, and this seems like a slippery slope. We block nazi bullshit now,

I was, obviously, using "we" euphemistically. We the morally compromised people of the world. I don't work for godaddy, google, cloud flare, any TLD or other domain registrar, or any internet provider (at the moment - i've worked at a number of smaller providers over the years).

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which nazi bullshit do 'you'(plural) 'block' exactly?

www.nsa.gov ? www.fda.gov ? www.tsa.gov ? www.dea.gov ? www.cia.gov ? www.fbi.gov ? www.irs.gov ? adl.com.gov ? www.pentagon.mil ? which redirects to www.defense.gov ?

I don't visit any of these sites. Nice list though ;)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

http://www.mintpressnews.com/perpetual-war-indefinite-detention-torture-u-s-...

<insert here endless list of wars in which the american pieces of shit murderer tens of millions so that bankers in wall street - half of them joos - and joe sixpack can have the "standard of living" that jesus, moses and the torah granted to them>

Looks like I could go on for a very long while...

But hey, we can have nazis like your pal shill quinn and razer feeling oh so morally superior...to what exactly?

I don't know what you're on about. Listing a bunch of wikipedia pages, as if i'm ignorant of how fucked the USA is, built on the back of slavery ... again, nice list ;)

PS - your moral superiority is amusing, considering your email address.

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whose to say corporate interests don't creep in and use this as a wedge to block sites supposedly "infringing copyright", or any of a number of possibilities.

I guess what I'm saying is, I stand by "Fuck Andrew Anglin", but I think this hysterical reaction to take down his (admittedly vile) website, even at the level of the domain registrar, is going too far.

On 08/17/2017 03:11 PM, juan wrote:

Hell, how could a company founded by poor oppressed jews running away from evil commie russia, and arriving to the Land of the Free, be evil? It's mathematically impossible.

Ahem... So are frigid lesbians. Glench: as the temperature of lesbians approaches absolute zero, they cease to exist Glench: let me demonstrate Glench: here we have a google search for hot lesbians Glench: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22hot+lesbians%22 Glench: ~1.4 million results Glench: cool lesbians: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22cool+lesbians%22 Glench: 2,500 results Glench: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22cold+lesbians%22 Kasu: Glench: It's scientific! Glench: 321 results Glench: for cold lesbians lapilofu: did you try warm? Glench: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22absolute+zero+lesbians%22 Glench: 0 results Glench: theory: PROVEN TwoDaemon: ... that is simultaneously so logical and so awesomely retarded. http://www.xkcdb.com/?354 Must see! xkcdb's "Newest page" http://www.xkcdb.com/newest Rr (har har)