On 5/29/19, Paul Wouters wrote:

On Tue, 28 May 2019, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote:

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On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 12:12 PM grarpamp wrote: Playing coy with story references doesn't help anyone or serve any purpose.

On the contrary, it prevents him adding me to the list of defendants in his lawsuit.

I wanted to mention him here in a reply and call him out for his fraudulent claims ...

Someone wanted to mention this ... " Tue, 28 May 2019 18:11 phb:

On the contrary, it prevents him adding me to the list of defendants in his lawsuit. Keep clamoring for stupid legal stretches and creating State's interference in everything then don't be surprised when they indeed grow and turn on you. They've apparently already got you afraid to speak freely. On all manner of things, fact or opinion or otherwise. That's a sad state of affairs you've all created. "

... yet might also call out example some say are fraudly censorius moderators appearing to have deleted it already. Which is funny regarding part of crypto's natural role and philosophy in enabling free speech, etc... if mods are going to approve some drifting off strict mathematical crypto conversation into the rest of the list's posted charter, that being... the technological, legal, political, jurisdictional, security, privacy, social, impacts, etc around cryptography ...one should at least let threads play out fairly before returning to fine mathematical ruminations and creations. Or let crypto checksum filters applied by the distributed p2p endpoints do it. This email Shiva Ayyadurai guy who some call fraud isn't much in the cryptographical space, while this cryptocurrency Craig Wright guy some call fraud is, at least in an "application uses it" and potential influencer fashion. Funny also how both centralized messaging and currency (and registries, re ie potentially copyright, ridiculous as such terms are) are moving to distributed systems to prevent such fraud and censorship. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=censorship+resistant+messaging https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqOtKCUfP1M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rzcgpdj7SA https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=craig+wright+fraud https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jamie+dimon+fraud You probably don't want all sorts of things in and affecting your underlying systems, the ones the majority of the world will be relying on in part in some way in the near future. Create and set free cool decentralized cryptographic[ally private] apps. The open market, consumers, supply and demand will sort, filter, and adopt them. Copyright, Trademark, Patents, Governance, hardly have place in open distributed systems, else they aren't, by definition. Besides, nonprivacy insistant coins like BitcoinSV are *clearly* worse than Fiat Cash in privacy regard... no one in their right mind should want such an invasion, spying, datamining, and arbitrary censorship enabling system. Get rid of those, evolve, become free. And if this ever gets posted, you can read some more relavant cryptocurrency privacy, ZKP, and PQC bits linked here... https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-May/075205.html Those sorts of distributed cryptosystems could probably use your help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj-CVgnkFZM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dEcdGc0tIo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_YgFzgAw8w Stop being afraid. Wake up. Evolve now.

... but I forgot his name, so I googled "email inventor fraud" and the first hit, presented in a nice "prime hit box" is wikipedia:

Fake email inventor

Ayyadurai makes the controversial claim to be the "inventor of email". His claim is based on the software he wrote as a 14-year-old student at Livingston High School (New Jersey). In 1979—some sources say 1978—he wrote an implementation of an interoffice email system, which he called EMAIL.

So yeah, he can go and add me as a defender if he wants and reads this message. Shiva Ayyadurai fraudulently claims he invented email.