RE - Greg Newby " . . . There's not any straightforward way I know of to limit the number of messages per day (or another period), or the number from a particular user. . . . " So this is less " shields are down " and more " we don't have any shields ". Okay. So long as this lamentable state of affairs prevails, I suggest we let it fail then. Strong AI can take up any slack - technical or political. Oh, I did notice a list host called Groups io. Its probably nothing.

From memory the first " golden age " ( snork! ) 90's list died because it couldn't defend itself either.

Turn your back on APster defence and you're even more alone.