using Curve p25519 cryptography for type 2(Mixmaster) and type 3(mixminion) remailer blocks
So it seems because we are using a decades old technology(email) that another 2 decade old technology is still useful for anonymous dissent where email based lists are concerned. I am looking at resurrecting mixmaster, mixminion and nym.alias.net nymserver designs from the various code wastebaskets and retrofit them with some newer encryption technology based on curve25519 and poly-1305 libsodium based algorithms and routines. Do these ideas sound interesting and viable to the coders on the list and of course worthwhile? or are they best left to the trashbin of history being mostly used by trolls and those damn pesky voices of dissent? gh -- Tentacle #99 ecc public key curve p25519(pcp 0.15) 1l0$WoM5C8z=yeZG7?$]f^Uu8.g>4rf#t^6mfW9(rr910 Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.’ https://github.com/TLINDEN/pcp.git to get pcp(curve25519 cli) https://github.com/stef/pbp.git (curve 25519 python based cli)
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:14 PM, gwen hastings <gwen@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
... I am looking at resurrecting
mixmaster, mixminion and nym.alias.net nymserver designs from the various code wastebaskets and retrofit them with some newer encryption technology based on curve25519 and poly-1305 libsodium based algorithms and routines.
email for private communication is a Bad Idea (TM) as has been thrashed over again and again,... lack of adoption implies remailer anonymity in practice denied. instead i would focus on designing and building low latency anonymous protocols resistant to traffic analysis and confirmation attacks. latency kills effective privacy! $0.02
On 1/14/14 2:30 PM, coderman wrote:
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:14 PM, gwen hastings <gwen@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
... I am looking at resurrecting
mixmaster, mixminion and nym.alias.net nymserver designs from the various code wastebaskets and retrofit them with some newer encryption technology based on curve25519 and poly-1305 libsodium based algorithms and routines.
email for private communication is a Bad Idea (TM) as has been thrashed over again and again,...
Actually except for map all inputs and outputs types of adversaries.. I wont tend to agree with you. Thing is as long as there are mailing lists and email, remailers and nymservers will continues to be effective for personal and political usage. Just with rabbi(len sassman) dead(the last maintainer of the mixmaster code) there is no one to champion same(mixmaster) or even those left alive(nick matheson and few others(lucky,noise etc) who understand the tech well enough to make competent changes. The type 2 remailer network is still alive and working and new code will attract new operators and I plan the mods to support either old format or new format(once this is designed) type 2 and type especially in the face of the NSA monitoring...if nothing else than as a "FUCK YOU" gesture... The other problem is the by far and large disappearance of private email servers where one can experiment without the upstream complaining.. mostly this is confined to university or to elderly holdouts like moi who actually own long term persistant servers and fund their operation privately , comcast tries very hard to block port 25 and other email ports to force one to use only their outgoing email servers And again anonymous type 2 and hopefully type 3 remailers and nymservers again are useful in politics and other skulduggery(outing politicians etc) their safety or non safety depends on ones activities and ones tradecraft...
lack of adoption implies remailer anonymity in practice denied.
instead i would focus on designing and building low latency anonymous protocols resistant to traffic analysis and confirmation attacks. latency kills effective privacy!
nah been there done that for past 24 years etc.. even was one of the first 2 "persons of interest" in the cypherpunks "movement". anonymous remailers are much more fun and mischievous than helping one handed morons view the latest porn at low latency.
$0.02
bah humbug my .000265 btc -- Tentacle #99 ecc public key curve p25519(pcp 0.15) 1l0$WoM5C8z=yeZG7?$]f^Uu8.g>4rf#t^6mfW9(rr910 Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.’ https://github.com/TLINDEN/pcp.git to get pcp(curve25519 cli) https://github.com/stef/pbp.git (curve 25519 python based cli)
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:14 PM, gwen hastings <gwen@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
... I am looking at resurrecting
mixmaster, mixminion and nym.alias.net nymserver designs from the various code wastebaskets and retrofit them with some newer encryption technology based on curve25519 and poly-1305 libsodium based algorithms and routines.
I believe there is sufficient demand to merit deployment of a good mix network. As well as perhaps web/other intake frontends due to the now prevalent a) dwindling free email b) demand by mail providers for phone authentication. As for operators, I'd reach out to the Tor, I2P, Bitcoin, etc operators. It's a shame that one of the hardest things to find these days is anonymous free speech in the simple form of the written word.
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 6:17 PM, gwen hastings <gwen@cypherpunks.to> wrote:
... Just with rabbi(len sassman) dead(the last maintainer of the mixmaster code) there is no one to champion same(mixmaster) or even those left alive(nick matheson and few others(lucky,noise etc) who understand the tech well enough to make competent changes. The type 2 remailer network is still alive and working and new code will attract new operators and I plan the mods to support either old format or new format(once this is designed) type 2 and type especially in the face of the NSA monitoring...if nothing else than as a "FUCK YOU" gesture...
i'm nostalgic for 5MB MFM full height drives in an 8088 with turbo button. i'm nostalgic for NeXT Step slabs and connection machines. i'm nostalgic for the NSA that strengthened public cryptosystems against future attacks. ... but that doesn't make those days any less dead.
nah been there done that for past 24 years etc.. even was one of the first 2 "persons of interest" in the cypherpunks "movement".
anonymous remailers are much more fun and mischievous than helping one handed morons view the latest porn at low latency.
fuck mate, this is about mischief!? ... ... hold up, time to off list before JYA calls us FBI shills ;P
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