Suggest High-Signal Crew Ditch This for Reddit
Not gonna screed about this, anyone who feels about this shit like I do is probably going to get this already. CPunks is more noise than signal, even if the signal part is pretty good. Reddit is the only open source SocNet, and has topic-based enclosure (so no more firehose of stupidity on one's inbox) and downvoting to remove the idiocy if users set their clients to remove low-rated posts. I'm ditching this list, but see the higher-signal folks on Reddit at: reddit.com/r/crypto reddit.com/r/cypherpunks reddit.com/r/privacy Y'all can find me at /u/cathalgarvey if so inclined. It's been fun seeing people piss at one another about who's more native American, and who's a secret RU/GCHQ/NSA plant (hint: probably 80% of the active posters here). Peace out, Cathal
On 16 Oct 2015 20:24, "Cathal Garvey" <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
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It's been fun seeing people piss at one another about who's more native American, and who's a secret RU/GCHQ/NSA plant (hint: probably 80% of the active posters here).
Crafty. That's just doomed the next 6 months of posts on this list to trying to work out who's on whose side. Thanks for attempting to encourage the occasional ray of rational discussion over the last few years. Mark
aaron sw hated reddit On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Mark Steward <marksteward@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16 Oct 2015 20:24, "Cathal Garvey" <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
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It's been fun seeing people piss at one another about who's more native American, and who's a secret RU/GCHQ/NSA plant (hint: probably 80% of the active posters here).
Crafty. That's just doomed the next 6 months of posts on this list to trying to work out who's on whose side.
Thanks for attempting to encourage the occasional ray of rational discussion over the last few years.
Mark
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Sure, use Reddit if Censorship is your thing... "When failed discrimination plaintiff Ellen Pao was appointed CEO of Reddit last January, many predicted that it would herald a new age of censorship on the link-sharing and discussion site. Those predictions appear to have come true, as a number of communities on the site (known as “subreddits”) have just been unilaterally shut down." Full article:- http://www.itworld.com/article/2934436/open-source-tools/reddit-censorship-r... On 16/10/15 20:42, Cari Machet wrote:
aaron sw hated reddit
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Mark Steward <marksteward@gmail.com> wrote:
On 16 Oct 2015 20:24, "Cathal Garvey" <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
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It's been fun seeing people piss at one another about who's more native American, and who's a secret RU/GCHQ/NSA plant (hint: probably 80% of the active posters here).
Crafty. That's just doomed the next 6 months of posts on this list to trying to work out who's on whose side.
Thanks for attempting to encourage the occasional ray of rational discussion over the last few years.
Mark
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:16 PM, Cathal Garvey <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
is probably going to get this already. CPunks is more noise than signal, even if the signal part is pretty good.
Generally there is no formula for how to find or maintain high-signal. Would be interesting to have some more formal definition around this and then whether it actually applies to online communities. Next, given that, you could maybe come up with an impossibility proof so that we can stop wasting our time chasing the next greatest way to rank terrible content. I am reminded of this proposal for ranking and rating: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1234&cid=1699774 - Bryan http://heybryan.org/ 1 512 203 0507
DUDE! The last post before this: "Cryptome currently betraying, well, everybody" (submitted 23 hours ago by kryogeniks) was THREE MONTHS previous! RR On 10/16/2015 12:16 PM, Cathal Garvey wrote:
Not gonna screed about this, anyone who feels about this shit like I do is probably going to get this already. CPunks is more noise than signal, even if the signal part is pretty good.
Reddit is the only open source SocNet, and has topic-based enclosure (so no more firehose of stupidity on one's inbox) and downvoting to remove the idiocy if users set their clients to remove low-rated posts.
I'm ditching this list, but see the higher-signal folks on Reddit at:
reddit.com/r/crypto reddit.com/r/cypherpunks reddit.com/r/privacy
Y'all can find me at /u/cathalgarvey if so inclined.
It's been fun seeing people piss at one another about who's more native American, and who's a secret RU/GCHQ/NSA plant (hint: probably 80% of the active posters here).
Peace out, Cathal
So that's how quiet things get when you drop the noise :D On 16/10/15 22:15, Razer wrote:
DUDE! The last post before this: "Cryptome currently betraying, well, everybody" (submitted 23 hours ago by kryogeniks) was THREE MONTHS previous!
RR
On 10/16/2015 12:16 PM, Cathal Garvey wrote:
Not gonna screed about this, anyone who feels about this shit like I do is probably going to get this already. CPunks is more noise than signal, even if the signal part is pretty good.
Reddit is the only open source SocNet, and has topic-based enclosure (so no more firehose of stupidity on one's inbox) and downvoting to remove the idiocy if users set their clients to remove low-rated posts.
I'm ditching this list, but see the higher-signal folks on Reddit at:
reddit.com/r/crypto reddit.com/r/cypherpunks reddit.com/r/privacy
Y'all can find me at /u/cathalgarvey if so inclined.
It's been fun seeing people piss at one another about who's more native American, and who's a secret RU/GCHQ/NSA plant (hint: probably 80% of the active posters here).
Peace out, Cathal
On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:16:53 +0100 Cathal Garvey <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote: CPunks is more noise than
signal, even if the signal part is pretty good.
yep. and noise comes from fucking idiots like you
Reddit is the only open source SocNet,
priceless.
I'm ditching this list,
good ridance
CLASS WARFARE ON CYPHERPUNKS = HIGH SIGNAL? anyone worth a grain of salt knows there is no high and low On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:16:53 +0100 Cathal Garvey <cathalgarvey@cathalgarvey.me> wrote:
CPunks is more noise than
signal, even if the signal part is pretty good.
yep. and noise comes from fucking idiots like you
Reddit is the only open source SocNet,
priceless.
I'm ditching this list,
good ridance
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On Sat, Oct 17, 2015, at 06:16 AM, Cathal Garvey wrote:
Not gonna screed about this, anyone who feels about this shit like I do is probably going to get this already. CPunks is more noise than signal, even if the signal part is pretty good.
Reddit is the only open source SocNet, and has topic-based enclosure (so no more firehose of stupidity on one's inbox) and downvoting to remove the idiocy if users set their clients to remove low-rated posts.
I'm ditching this list, but see the higher-signal folks on Reddit at:
Just remember that the noise may be deliberate: https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ Alfie -- Alfie John alfiej@fastmail.fm
On 10/18/2015 04:07 PM, Alfie John wrote:
the noise may be deliberate:
Just watch the Israel trolls. Most are morons, but they sure make some 'noise'. From the article:
GCHQ describes the purpose of JTRIG in starkly clear terms: “using online techniques to make something happen in the real or cyber world,” including “information ops (influence or disruption).”
+1 Influence: Search Engines so googlers see THEIR info first. Disruption: Make the forums they infest less desirable with disinformation, sometimes quite obvious, repeated over and over and over again intended to (see 'influence' first and...) generally annoy users who disagree with them using ad hom filled rants, often tail-ending comment threads so their info is first/last seen. RR
Ever read any cia inside shit they publish to each other and recommend to each other that they declassified? its pretty in depth psych tactic shit they have long studied how to capture anyone "It's like a retreating army taking cover in a heavily populated city hoping that the prospect of hitting civilian targets will deter enemy fire" arundhati roy on US policy On Oct 19, 2015 4:52 AM, "Razer" <Rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 10/18/2015 04:07 PM, Alfie John wrote:
the noise may be deliberate:
Just watch the Israel trolls. Most are morons, but they sure make some 'noise'.
From the article:
GCHQ describes the purpose of JTRIG in starkly clear terms: “using online techniques to make something happen in the real or cyber world,” including “information ops (influence or disruption).”
+1
Influence: Search Engines so googlers see THEIR info first.
Disruption: Make the forums they infest less desirable with disinformation, sometimes quite obvious, repeated over and over and over again intended to (see 'influence' first and...) generally annoy users who disagree with them using ad hom filled rants, often tail-ending comment threads so their info is first/last seen.
RR
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 10/18/2015 09:42 PM, Razer wrote:
On 10/18/2015 04:07 PM, Alfie John wrote:
the noise may be deliberate:
Just watch the Israel trolls. Most are morons, but they sure make some 'noise'.
From the article:
GCHQ describes the purpose of JTRIG in starkly clear terms: “using online techniques to make something happen in the real or cyber world,” including “information ops (influence or disruption).”
+1
Influence: Search Engines so googlers see THEIR info first.
Disruption: Make the forums they infest less desirable with disinformation, sometimes quite obvious, repeated over and over and over again intended to (see 'influence' first and...) generally annoy users who disagree with them using ad hom filled rants, often tail-ending comment threads so their info is first/last seen.
Something I have seen a lot of is professional promotion of obviously bogus "conspiracy theories" in forums where some of the more embarrassing excesses of our Deep State and Security Service get up to are openly and accurately discussed. Maybe it's just advertising targeting a demographic; there's always a click-bait website at the source. Or maybe it's stink-marking to repel fence sitting Liberals who might be edging toward radicalization, or at least help them remember that subjects they have been taught to lie to themselves about are "things those ignorant idiots believe." Either way, same result: The networks are a battlefield and those who don't come prepared leave disinformed if not brainwashed. Twas ever thus; what do you say to a person who asks you for a "trustworthy and accurate news source"? I tell them there ain't no such thing, and shove a copy of this in their general direction in hope that it might occasionally do some good: http://cryptome.org/2013/01/aaron-swartz/Psychology-of-Intelligence- Analysis.pdf Hope springs eternal... :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWKDw4AAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0Lk0kP/jofMn0KVkh1HiCIS0w4WfL9 8cbO9UAba3UZi48tjHNWeqbdRdRl1aRd1OIQxnUN7KAPhRFkv2WEoZC9n/k8pytp oTp3iK/TcDTjWJqnLEJNi3WKRwuNuQHIoKAvVN2dr3qu15fH/UKm+CbqZgz6qNH2 49del4XQDA6RAK39mz/D3SjRbiX2rkeDdXj5LPmnMaSBEMIKZgVyn3sBF3bXFA5i HKacGsfcP3PVYkUX5eywdXHS1kxn1YfV4TLat+dZheY+CjXSH4BC1MiTGzRJ6yGe G7ahO3T9fDHH70xHmf5pA/cVJuiv46N6Zoyuotq+T0XUrlNbdOpk78Y7mA39xGM5 BZ6qt2k9mfCQhnoNMLlKolLVwOf32k0/KTw7G0JCAzkCIHuyid1tB4woiEtu/2Lj HvPpaUQJyQtK+9HYiZhqouVnGJliHwyx3IYrMyn6O2emEnLCXV6w4tmaBaPRbIlZ dD1EFNt1jFHhK7jDNawb7XuYClOLgxT9t4Or+MTRWtKCVa8Oc13MpscfXpEfDvNx jwpGs6bYspgcdWdqW8Ox4DW469XlPPWQd7UfOV/bcD/jTGloj7V0uR5Ff0O5ejPI ReCGt+ReAilueDaawEEOeGiAS4W1zWAo4GlWLsrfOPHglrPDcky77XoUqoUdotAR Qw+JZX0uguUYsJCSqOTw =FtVB -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Ever read any cia inside shit they publish to each other and recommend to each other that they declassified? its pretty in depth psych tactic shit they have long studied how to capture anyone/everyone On 10/18/2015 04:07 PM, Alfie John wrote:
the noise may be deliberate:
Just watch the Israel trolls. Most are morons, but they sure make some 'noise'.
From the article: GCHQ describes the purpose of JTRIG in starkly clear terms: “using online techniques to make something happen in the real or cyber world,” including “information ops (influence or disruption).”
+1 Influence: Search Engines so googlers see THEIR info first. Disruption: Make the forums they infest less desirable with disinformation, sometimes quite obvious, repeated over and over and over again intended to (see 'influence' first and...) generally annoy users who disagree with them using ad hom filled rants, often tail-ending comment threads so their info is first/last seen. RR
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence Some of the 'literature' has little diagrams of psych tests even ... they dont want to develope minds (or anything) they want to develope how yo manipulate 'weaknesses' ... weaknesses like love and shit On Oct 24, 2015 1:27 AM, "Cari Machet" <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever read any cia inside shit they publish to each other and recommend to each other that they declassified? its pretty in depth psych tactic shit they have long studied how to capture anyone/everyone
On 10/18/2015 04:07 PM, Alfie John wrote:
the noise may be deliberate:
Just watch the Israel trolls. Most are morons, but they sure make some 'noise'.
From the article:
GCHQ describes the purpose of JTRIG in starkly clear terms: “using online techniques to make something happen in the real or cyber world,” including “information ops (influence or disruption).”
+1
Influence: Search Engines so googlers see THEIR info first.
Disruption: Make the forums they infest less desirable with disinformation, sometimes quite obvious, repeated over and over and over again intended to (see 'influence' first and...) generally annoy users who disagree with them using ad hom filled rants, often tail-ending comment threads so their info is first/last seen.
RR
http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/10/21/23042357/two-weeks-after-it-sued-the-cia-data-is-stolen-from-university-of-washington-center-for-human-rights?utm_content=buffer0f457&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer Haahahha > no sign of forced entry Its good to know the cia really doesnt want its smelly exposed in law suits ... more lawsuits please On Oct 24, 2015 1:42 AM, "Cari Machet" <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence
Some of the 'literature' has little diagrams of psych tests even ... they dont want to develope minds (or anything) they want to develope how yo manipulate 'weaknesses' ... weaknesses like love and shit On Oct 24, 2015 1:27 AM, "Cari Machet" <carimachet@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever read any cia inside shit they publish to each other and recommend to each other that they declassified? its pretty in depth psych tactic shit they have long studied how to capture anyone/everyone
On 10/18/2015 04:07 PM, Alfie John wrote:
the noise may be deliberate:
Just watch the Israel trolls. Most are morons, but they sure make some 'noise'.
From the article:
GCHQ describes the purpose of JTRIG in starkly clear terms: “using online techniques to make something happen in the real or cyber world,” including “information ops (influence or disruption).”
+1
Influence: Search Engines so googlers see THEIR info first.
Disruption: Make the forums they infest less desirable with disinformation, sometimes quite obvious, repeated over and over and over again intended to (see 'influence' first and...) generally annoy users who disagree with them using ad hom filled rants, often tail-ending comment threads so their info is first/last seen.
RR
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