Does Cypherpunk need a Church?
Does Cypherpunk need a Church? If so, what should it look like? Who are its priests? What are its idols? What happens to alms? For whom is its mission? How does it go about things and/or serve its people in the famliar (or unfamiliar) ways of other churches? Is it purely internal or does it have political or other external elements? Etc... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary_Church_of_Kopimism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jediism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raelism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classifications_of_religious_movements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_religious_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_new_religious_movements
Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 14:09:26 grarpamp pisze:
Does Cypherpunk need a Church?
Don't we have more pressing issues to deal with? Here, let's get this over with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:47 PM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 14:09:26 grarpamp pisze:
Does Cypherpunk need a Church?
Don't we have more pressing issues to deal with?
Here, let's get this over with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
Many people have a need to identify with, participate in, and derive support from, a formal structure or at least a well defined meme... before they can independantly or collectively deal with issues. Even if what they follow ends up being Invisible Discordia.
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015, at 08:08 AM, grarpamp wrote:
Many people have a need to identify with, participate in, and derive support from, a formal structure or at least a well defined meme... before they can independantly or collectively deal with issues. Even if what they follow ends up being Invisible Discordia.
Isn't this antithesis to idea of cypherpunks in general? Once there is a formal structure, it can be controlled.
Who are its priests? What are its idols?
Priests can be discredited and marginalised leading to abandonment by the followers. That's why Anonymous has it right - with nobody at the top to take down, you can't collapse the group. Their power comes from shared idealism, not a dogmatic religion. Alfie -- Alfie John alfiej@fastmail.fm
On 13/01/15 05:15 PM, Alfie John wrote:
Many people have a need to identify with, participate in, and derive support from, a formal structure or at least a well defined meme... before they can independantly or collectively deal with issues. Even if what they follow ends up being Invisible Discordia. Isn't this antithesis to idea of cypherpunks in general? Once there is a
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015, at 08:08 AM, grarpamp wrote: formal structure, it can be controlled.
A religion is not necessarily a structure. Look at the Eastern religions for example. Or at Quakerism.
Who are its priests? What are its idols? Priests can be discredited and marginalised leading to abandonment by the followers. That's why Anonymous has it right - with nobody at the top to take down, you can't collapse the group. Their power comes from shared idealism, not a dogmatic religion.
Alfie
It would have no need for priests ... better to call them "philosophers" anyway. As an example, a Socratic question: what is the difference according to you between a "shared idealism" and a "dogma"? Can you explain with examples?
Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 16:08:11 grarpamp pisze:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:47 PM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 14:09:26 grarpamp pisze:
Does Cypherpunk need a Church?
Don't we have more pressing issues to deal with?
Here, let's get this over with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
Many people have a need to identify with, participate in, and derive support from, a formal structure or at least a well defined meme... before they can independantly or collectively deal with issues. Even if what they follow ends up being Invisible Discordia.
That's Invisible *Pink* Discordia, you insensitive clod! ;) -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On 01/13/2015 02:08 PM, grarpamp wrote:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:47 PM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 14:09:26 grarpamp pisze:
Does Cypherpunk need a Church?
Don't we have more pressing issues to deal with?
Here, let's get this over with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
Many people have a need to identify with, participate in, and derive support from, a formal structure or at least a well defined meme... before they can independantly or collectively deal with issues. Even if what they follow ends up being Invisible Discordia.
I'm an agnostic Discordian. All Hail Eris! Or maybe All Hail Popper ;)
Does Cypherpunk need a Church?
Having been informed of potentially relevant links/models, be they serious, officially recognized, related to tech or not, discuss the cypherpunk... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody_religion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_paganism
Dnia wtorek, 13 stycznia 2015 15:09:05 grarpamp pisze:
Does Cypherpunk need a Church?
Having been informed of potentially relevant links/models, be they serious, officially recognized, related to tech or not, discuss the cypherpunk...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO_religion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody_religion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_paganism
Let's not forget His Noodlyness and his Pastafarians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:09 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Does Cypherpunk need a Church?
Maybe 15 years ago I put together the paperwork for the Church of Cybernetic Certainty. The IRS (IIRC; it may have been the NYS tax department) basically told me to screw off. On the plus side, it was amusing to put together my church's policies and it didn't cost anything to put in the paperwork, and it annoyed a bureaucrat. -- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015 15:20:09 -0500 Steve Furlong <demonfighter@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 2:09 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Does Cypherpunk need a Church?
Maybe 15 years ago I put together the paperwork for the Church of Cybernetic Certainty. The IRS (IIRC; it may have been the NYS tax department) basically told me to screw off. On the plus side, it was amusing to put together my church's policies and it didn't cost anything to put in the paperwork, and it annoyed a bureaucrat.
Things seem to be somewhat different in sweden =P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-kANR1vJkM (there's a woman from the swedish government commenting on the church of kopimism)
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Steve Furlong <demonfighter@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe 15 years ago I put together the paperwork for the Church of
Cybernetic
Certainty. The IRS (IIRC; it may have been the NYS tax department) basically told me to screw off. On the plus side, it was amusing to put together my church's policies and it didn't cost anything to put in the paperwork, and it annoyed a bureaucrat.
Several people emailed me, asking if I had any of the paperwork. No, I don't. The computer that had the documents was disposed of when I wasn't looking (It's amazing how much of my stuff mysteriously gets thrown away or goes missing when I'm out of state or otherwise away from home for several days. Truly astounding.) and the backup tapes were encrypted and I can't remember the password. (Lesson for all: Yes, encrypt your backups. No, don't lose the passwords.) The actual tax department paperwork was nothing much. It was either paper forms sent by the department or PDFs I printed. Just a few pages either way. The supporting documentation was the credo, rites, and so on. I made up stuff supporting the idea of worship through writing code and collecting donations in exchange for receiving the blessing of working code, and programming education under the name of training in the sacred rites. Don't look for any deep theological meaning, as this was somewhere between a prank and an attempted tax scam. Also, don't look to my work for guidance, as I didn't get anywhere with it. -- Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoscet. -- Arnaud-Amaury, 1209
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 02:09:26PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
Does Cypherpunk need a Church? If so, what should it look like? Who are its priests? What are its idols? What happens to alms? For whom is its mission? How does it go about things and/or serve its people in the famliar (or unfamiliar) ways of other churches? Is it purely internal or does it have political or other external elements? Etc...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary_Church_of_Kopimism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jediism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raelism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classifications_of_religious_movements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_religious_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_new_religious_movements
I suppose if this religion needs a deity, the heterogeneous crowd will have hard time agreeing on deity/deities :) An admin I trolled about religion countertrolled he believes in the "god of servers".
Dnia środa, 14 stycznia 2015 14:41:55 Georgi Guninski pisze:
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 02:09:26PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:
Does Cypherpunk need a Church? If so, what should it look like? Who are its priests? What are its idols? What happens to alms? For whom is its mission? How does it go about things and/or serve its people in the famliar (or unfamiliar) ways of other churches? Is it purely internal or does it have political or other external elements? Etc...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary_Church_of_Kopimism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jediism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anonymous_(group) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raelism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classifications_of_religious_movements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_religious_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_new_religious_movements
I suppose if this religion needs a deity, the heterogeneous crowd will have hard time agreeing on deity/deities :)
I think the diety should be anonymous, nameless, but it should be imperative to create and use as many impromptu names for it as possible. I would also consider a rule saying that it is imperative for the faithful to draw caricatures of said deity at least once a year, and publish them.
An admin I trolled about religion countertrolled he believes in the "god of servers".
I can see that. Come Monday morning, an admin comes to his workplace, notices there's, say, some random leakage of water from a pipe above the server room and goes: "oh god, the servers!" -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 03:08:32PM +0100, rysiek wrote:
I can see that. Come Monday morning, an admin comes to his workplace, notices there's, say, some random leakage of water from a pipe above the server room and goes: "oh god, the servers!"
There is untold battle between God of Sewer, a companion of Entropy, and God of Server. Always going on. Tssssh. Do not write about it on the net. -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_rola@bigfoot.com **
Dnia czwartek, 22 stycznia 2015 20:00:16 Tomasz Rola pisze:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 03:08:32PM +0100, rysiek wrote:
I can see that. Come Monday morning, an admin comes to his workplace, notices there's, say, some random leakage of water from a pipe above the server room and goes: "oh god, the servers!"
There is untold battle between God of Sewer, a companion of Entropy, and God of Server. Always going on. Tssssh. Do not write about it on the net.
And from this dialectic tension between the God of Sewer and the God of Server emerges a new Deity: the God of Serwer. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
I think this thread was meant to be relatively serious should anyone have received revelation or feel divinely inspired to take it up. ie: If there are people or higher powers creating churches, truly believing and deriving something from attending, marrying, preaching, needing, worshiping kopimi, aliens, god[s], or whatever... what theological, moral, philosophical, social, even political and other areas would the church of cypherpunk/crypto/code comparatively reflect/inspire/direct. Great... God of Entropy, full stop, but that makes for a pretty thin religion, at least as typical world religions go. But sure, if you get it right you could hold the codex in hand, set your cart upon encoder wheels, cultivate followers, go crusading and take over the world ;-)
Dnia czwartek, 22 stycznia 2015 16:01:20 grarpamp pisze:
I think this thread was meant to be relatively serious should anyone have received revelation or feel divinely inspired to take it up. ie: If there are people or higher powers creating churches, truly believing and deriving something from attending, marrying, preaching, needing, worshiping kopimi, aliens, god[s], or whatever... what theological, moral, philosophical, social, even political and other areas would the church of cypherpunk/crypto/code comparatively reflect/inspire/direct. Great... God of Entropy, full stop, but that makes for a pretty thin religion, at least as typical world religions go. But sure, if you get it right you could hold the codex in hand, set your cart upon encoder wheels, cultivate followers, go crusading and take over the world ;-)
And then fuck it all up royally, because religions are based on dogmas and dogmas tend to create all sorts of problematic shit as time goes by. Cypherpunks, as far as I can tell, at least try not to rely on dogmas. So, "Cypherpunk Church", to me at least, sounds like an oxymoron. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:40:23PM +0100, rysiek wrote:
Cypherpunks, as far as I can tell, at least try not to rely on dogmas.
are you drunk? -- otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt
Dnia czwartek, 22 stycznia 2015 22:55:34 stef pisze:
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:40:23PM +0100, rysiek wrote:
Cypherpunks, as far as I can tell, at least try not to rely on dogmas.
are you drunk?
Aw come on, I hoped for the ruse to last at least a *bit* longer. Had to spoil it instantly like this? Not cool, man. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On January 22, 2015 3:21:38 PM rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia czwartek, 22 stycznia 2015 22:55:34 stef pisze:
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:40:23PM +0100, rysiek wrote:
Cypherpunks, as far as I can tell, at least try not to rely on dogmas.
are you drunk?
Aw come on, I hoped for the ruse to last at least a *bit* longer. Had to spoil it instantly like this? Not cool, man.
This is funny and all, but you are fortunate that the FSM (Sauce be upon Him) is a benevolent deity. May his Noodly Appendages touch you all (but not in the swimsuit area), rAmen!
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 01/14/2015 04:41 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
An admin I trolled about religion countertrolled he believes in the "god of servers".
The rantmedia.ca folks used to talk semi-seriously about SERVER, and whether or not it had the Buddha nature. - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415] [ZS] Developer, Project Byzantium: http://project-byzantium.org/ PGP: 0x807B17C1 / 7960 1CDC 85C9 0B63 8D9F DD89 3BD8 FF2B 807B 17C1 WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ "So light your candles, and may SERVER protect us all." --Sean Kennedy VI -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUtvAhAAoJED1np1pUQ8RkaH4P/id10gwi8ebn1DLbw0lVckeb SeWTd/0Cpai8qxdrzspMlp9xCLNYixo/6xAXPn2+P3ytFGrJh9vu3Dn+IMWycrWn jSioqYFXlWgOVDZnDL7WsV/uuS3nkHjDEOnkXz5n/qND4CADBWk61xU+iP46k+uj rZbDX9TYqHY+dE/GVaQstjAesJpsi2mVmeDom1lvVMRnykUkjIusanEDMylCxZ5E QIUeWJs52+9Ajd0ldb2ggIMPkxzBDCt/JiW8fsvhZID4PeNZu/mPFn69iXsMjR21 AP1tj153SXaQoYzL8VtNkZGnZyevWJlUtlHaKZUz1Hvov427g4GaIurHmTXDrqpV YhlyKlq6qwNek58YskU8mefjsK+GjTV4cl6zV93axSgXD4Ho4FvGb05amimNtZwn ijMM4vFmsPcl+3FIKgkski+ioCBSqJpPepTLU/v+oFg7LWiWaM1FxE4MmV4uD4zb SKKQNxerPWNrbymG6jqn2afuUn/IsluZXSUk7M8zP0oYfHH3HbivTP9yDiAEnO7z leGSlzFQLFw5JFFuPGFPcgNOgxqbv2VPhqTGnEIpq352w86vjiUNxCZR/gtxambl XphMW9fhWcR6Hlxv6WXw9s1uf/DIWNjzMutlDFkEaCdQAOnb/iBfzRo+1F0JzOcz dobebLb+7GO7dpgAD4sZ =suvY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 02:39:34PM -0800, The Doctor wrote:
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On 01/14/2015 04:41 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:
An admin I trolled about religion countertrolled he believes in the "god of servers".
The rantmedia.ca folks used to talk semi-seriously about SERVER, and whether or not it had the Buddha nature.
- -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415] [ZS] Developer, Project Byzantium: http://project-byzantium.org/
PGP: 0x807B17C1 / 7960 1CDC 85C9 0B63 8D9F DD89 3BD8 FF2B 807B 17C1 WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/
"So light your candles, and may SERVER protect us all." --Sean Kennedy VI
Or cats. Ceiling Cat Basement Cat Catoshi, the patron of low-market altcoins
Dnia czwartek, 15 stycznia 2015 17:40:37 shelley@misanthropia.info pisze:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015, at 04:05 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
Or cats.
Ceiling Cat Basement Cat Catoshi, the patron of low-market altcoins
Catoshi! Good one. Of course, our sabbath would be Caturday, at the altar of LongCat.
And for the moral relativists among us that would be Unsigned LongCat. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 01/16/2015 01:04 AM, rysiek wrote:
And for the moral relativists among us that would be Unsigned LongCat.
Well played, sapient. Well played. - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415] [ZS] Developer, Project Byzantium: http://project-byzantium.org/ PGP: 0x807B17C1 / 7960 1CDC 85C9 0B63 8D9F DD89 3BD8 FF2B 807B 17C1 WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ YOUR ROBOTIC SEEKER HAS ENTERED A ROOM THAT IS FILLED WITH A DEADLY NARCOTIC GAS -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUuY/qAAoJED1np1pUQ8RkPkkP/jNClsWct7Kpzaef8edSkYVU Iiz/IZlhUZMpiTzV+PPR4Pza3rnX7N8Kt0YIgL55V7muC8I73WHTySNPOAynbgwp zrcJlp3c1F1R4J1sb1BdD1Zz5RmXO+5isFpDwoieY3GbKY6xQ6X5nnBkEmLIoCbr d6UGUgkGPEBtl0XobMIZ8TNuO7INSB2qqtsI2dz+zdCAWbGoMkj2XK2VNm8Vbdwr 4XJXsccBV4Hut/YjgB6eX3tjwqVZw9j04zEfcWMyNBjaoy4xO4BBnGmN6+cPFVLJ TS1cJX7rvnFasCMb8jIB/SAvwqkuErRxNUzw3R1XxMIINbdxcXb+4OTPm5SNEfWf CgHbUCIYfb0hSZEmesiqP+UH1vcyqd8d8LpaqxdB23HfvW661FUaMAKR59wI3RIf HbEFxVmwYEF4hv9TWXhP8jp7wkTIH4kPgvbsCAQISPte9NhlNr1onG5VQdID6gFY CQMUYerEpo6bWZbacA4LOj2iiDpNiqrb+3N0My41VOXYfbnegJvj/b3r6RSE1bYS l4HzHoGTBzJkKy0rPT1B1gFGL5fWyYdEbx+4OOykohkzdfB2RNVGDA9IjA2NRawx vM0L0eeFb8EmjT9d1w30RzY1NFt/tFR99I8Mj6XOgySz9fua7JzbgDWLr49l6CAg RC7sJ2YjYz+kqinrmHbx =MVn3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:04:12AM +0100, rysiek wrote:
Dnia czwartek, 15 stycznia 2015 17:40:37 shelley@misanthropia.info pisze:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015, at 04:05 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
Or cats.
Ceiling Cat Basement Cat Catoshi, the patron of low-market altcoins
Catoshi! Good one. Of course, our sabbath would be Caturday, at the altar of LongCat.
And for the moral relativists among us that would be Unsigned LongCat.
Just watch out for the followers of gcc "-DLong=\"`cat $long`\"" for they are subtle, and quick to buffer overflow.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 01/15/2015 05:40 PM, shelley@misanthropia.info wrote:
Catoshi! Good one. Of course, our sabbath would be Caturday, at the altar of LongCat.
The altars of Longcat are all rooms devoid of ladders, for Longcat is Long, and capable of stretching to reach all the high things. Though not necessarily the tops of the curtains, those require climbing (which is much more entertaining). - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415] [ZS] Developer, Project Byzantium: http://project-byzantium.org/ PGP: 0x807B17C1 / 7960 1CDC 85C9 0B63 8D9F DD89 3BD8 FF2B 807B 17C1 WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ YOUR ROBOTIC SEEKER HAS ENTERED A ROOM THAT IS FILLED WITH A DEADLY NARCOTIC GAS -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUuY/JAAoJED1np1pUQ8Rk/yQP/2ONi/Typeq2VBZRH33InBHm PQ1EX8GyfjRE6mXvGSEUJP0laBAM5oJQPdHRXMUmUHt1zSz4vryC3DsKRwZQA8Jh 9+ytLMhocl+An+QOYw2xvbU1IQAdNgyBnx8guA5kkmcE31Wu9RoXDa9E3opYNV6y g/suR2mdqgMtQNwr0eeI6sR8j6shZ0auwVOyI/lj2qehwFcxuqrn90eHxBjpeKRb FbtQCk6foiRwGSkTQoVnPNDvbW/+6uAc0IAZa39Zy7Dkgq9nyfWa6tPKyCaQqEqM 7e1iwJw68zFkngBwT9N7V476Y/cgL3JkTlm1QFSnWrbp1Qf/mNhqhWie6oEz3CTh kQl7B0mSfH2W9fFhjmNJZA2GgaddLsb3cGj0cArIhod1S9KTMi9bhMOORWHgO6hx RXyc63zIrqRiaeqHCmqr8HxL+AxVWS1RcNe/N2LEfNSssQbIAIMKqfHQfOKgUZJP ddo1SWypvWbj6NIZtMyU3/0hdu1BF5lckXM3CKH3ItBfWs2NLAHuKOy9+ygGFe1U myMlcaDUAfHRGg1xnUXTLG+iJDqJAKNWRFmSBZvR09KThwaNBAh6GZ0rNWVL7ZTW 4Hz50+CL545fxq28ub82a3406Ibv/qUQVKIkfFONYl4oz1LwXXZGJce7yq4mizrz uS1PyXx9yp7aPW17Smt6 =HEeT -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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