On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 08:07:59AM -0500, John Newman wrote:

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On Jan 11, 2017, at 4:58 AM, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:

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On 1/11/2017 3:19 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: ALL men and women are created equal.

Biology says otherwise, and people who claim to believe that all men are equal in practice believe that some men are much more equal than others, as the George Zimmerman case and the Duke University rape case demonstrated.

Do you have a degree in phrenology?

Your are spouting the same pseudo-science bullshit that was popular in the 19th century.

Modern biology (not 150+year old quotes) does say different - it says you are full of shit.

Yep, right on there, men and women are definitely the same - equal in every way. And there are no significant natural differences between any races, or indeed between individuals in a race - it's all racist nuture ya hear me!

On Jan 11, 2017, at 8:26 PM, John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:

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On Jan 11, 2017, at 7:58 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 08:07:59AM -0500, John Newman wrote:

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On Jan 11, 2017, at 4:58 AM, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:

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On 1/11/2017 3:19 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote: ALL men and women are created equal.

Biology says otherwise, and people who claim to believe that all men are equal in practice believe that some men are much more equal than others, as the George Zimmerman case and the Duke University rape case demonstrated.

Do you have a degree in phrenology?

Your are spouting the same pseudo-science bullshit that was popular in the 19th century.

Modern biology (not 150+year old quotes) does say different - it says you are full of shit.

Yep, right on there, men and women are definitely the same - equal in every way.

And there are no significant natural differences between any races, or indeed between individuals in a race - it's all racist nuture ya hear me!

Get fucked, scum. :P

Can’t believe I still occasionally see your moronic messages. Need to change them from SPAM folder to simply *erased*

But, at least you’ve found a new friend, just as I predicted :) I’m sure a true piece of shit like yourself is always in need of them.

On 1/15/2017 11:20 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

Do you really think that the color of a person' skin is more important than their feelings, ideas and actions?

By your deeds, you admit the reality that the differences between races on many important matters are greater than the usual differences between one member of that race and another member of that race - that in many important matters the differences in behavior between one race and another are greater than a standard deviation. I bet you, or more likely your parents, spend a great deal of money to live in a place where there are no blacks. In America, nearly every white who can afford to, lives in a place where you cannot go anywhere without a car, because fewer blacks go to places where you need cars to go to, and where all the public spaces are in fact private, like shopping malls, so that private security can deal with blacks who act up. In America, there are some hip white people who live in vibrant zones, but they are mostly young and male, thus better able to defend themselves, and mostly single, and thus disproportionately gay, because they would not like to expose wives and children to such danger. Under Obama, gentrification has been reversed by ethnic cleansing. Recall that YouTube video about a woman walking around in New York city and being harassed by males - "10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a Woman" It would have been more accurately captioned "10 Hours of Walking in NYC as a White" There were a bunch of reply videos that showed that a woman could walk for ten hours in white areas and have no problems. In areas where there are vibrants, no white person uses the buses, because a white taking a bus will be beaten up. Remember all that stuff about sending black people to the back of the bus. You wanted integrated buses, but instead got buses with no whites. If you look at black countries where blacks are doing OK, they have simple laws harshly enforced, for example Botswana. For blacks to thrive, they need to live under laws substantially different from those that enable whites to thrive. This is pretty obvious in schools, where a disciplinary process that is fine for whites results in total chaos and major brutal violence in black schools. For blacks to get an education, they need to be whipped from time to time. Any black parent with an intact well functioning family will tell you that. And that is pretty much what the Botswanan police will tell you.

This must be one of the stormfronttroopers ZeNazi invited to the list. Still waiting for it to post something that actually has to do with the list purpose...

I earlier pointed out how having blacks under the same laws and legal system as whites has been a disaster for blacks and a disaster for whites, resulting in a situation where for a white person to form a family, he has to spend a fortune on staying away from blacks. Blacks cannot thrive under a legal system designed for whites. They need harsher and simpler laws like those of Burundi, and blacks cannot learn much in school without being whipped, as the chaos of black schools demonstrates. To thrive, blacks need simpler and harsher laws, more brutally enforced, that whites.

But there is a another big difference between blacks and whites: Family formation.

Just about every white man, as near all of them as makes no difference, makes a huge effort to be a father to his children, in the face of a legal system that attempts to impose black style families on whites.

Almost no black men, as near none of them as makes no difference, make much effort to be a father to their children.

It was wrong of us to attempt to impose white style families on black people back in the 1950s, and it is wrong of us to impose black style families on white people today.

We should have one set of laws, African style marriage, for blacks reproducing, and a different set of laws, traditional European style marriage, for whites reproducing.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:

This must be one of the stormfronttroopers ZeNazi invited to the list.

Still waiting for it to post something that actually has to do with the list purpose...

I earlier pointed out how having blacks under the same laws and legal system as whites has been a disaster ​... blah, blah, blah... Let's snip the baboon babbling... <SNIP>​

​ Darling, this racist message was pretty sad and frustrating. Zzz is always so boring, coward and previsible. ​The guy is an alive joke. ​ He always likes to pretend being a fragile princess in danger and asking help to his knights in shining armours ​, aff​ ... ​"​ Ooooh, Sir James, Sir Alexander, please help ​me, help ​ your sweet Lady! ​ Oh, I need a man to save me! Oh, I am just a little girl, so so scared because I never studied enough to have serious discussions in public and thinking is always so so hard for me! Oh, oh, ooooh...​" Some people use hijabs and kippahs over their head. Others prefer 'golden showers'. Probably, one of the reasons why Tramp's hair is the ugliest thing already saw over someone's head. So ignorant that never learned that there are more effective 'shampoos', with better 'fragrances', than urine. An old, pervert, crazy and stupid man, who smells to piss and needs to pay for having some sex, aff... Congratulations for the new President, USA! :( A little cute song to let our list a bit lighter... Kisses and hugs, shiny happy people! <3 *"The Knight In Shining Armour" - Emil Bulls* *https://youtu.be/Lwo48pkXDFw <https://youtu.be/Lwo48pkXDFw>* Hey princess I'm your knight in shining armour Come jump on my horse, take a ride with me in the starlight My fulgend lance will hit the dragons & the robbers My sword will keep this dream alive I don't wanna wake up - I don't wanna wake up Keep this dream alive I can't get enough so let's go for another ride I wanna sing - I wanna dance Let me take you all around the world tonight In my dream I am king So don't you ever dare to wake me I might loose the one Heaven's sent so save me My queen - Pristine With grace as pure as the driven snow I try to keep this dream alive I'm your knight in shining armour Get in the saddle I'm gonna show you my world I wanna sing - I wanna dance I just wanna fall in love tonight Let's escape into the beauty of the night Cause when the morning wakes me all this will fade away Yeah, I gotta keep this dream alive Oh oh oh, I don't wanna, don't wanna, don't wanna wake up Come on, let's keep this dream alive I don't wanna wake up - I don't wanna wake up Keep this dream alive I can't get enough so let's go for another ride I wanna sing - I wanna dance Let me take you all around the world tonight I'm your knight in shining armour Get in the saddle I'm gonna show you my world I wanna sing - I wanna dance I just wanna fall in love tonight -- ​"The future cannot be predicted, but futures can be invented."​​

"James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:

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........ For blacks to get an education, they need to be whipped from time to time. Any black parent with an intact well functioning family will tell you that. And that is pretty much what the Botswanan police will tell you.

On 1/16/2017 5:02 AM, juan wrote:

Priceless. That sort of High Scientific Philosophy is as enlightened as rayzer's Mud Theories. No wonder both are anti conspiracy nutcases...

Wander into a largely black American high school classroom. You will not be able to hear yourself speak. Or think. A black Botswanan classroom on the other hand ...

On 1/15/2017 6:18 PM, James A. Donald wrote:

On 1/15/2017 11:20 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

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Do you really think that the color of a person' skin is more important than their feelings, ideas and actions?

In practice, the consequences of applying the same laws in the same way to people of different races are so disastrous that even progs have one hundred and one hypocritical and ingenious ways of ensuring that different races are subject to different laws, de facto and de jure. For example, obviously alcohol should be legal for whites, and illegal for feather Indians (native north Americans) and progs have one hundred and one legal rationales for making this happen, for example alcohol is commonly illegal in and near Indian reservations. Drug laws are enforced very differently for blacks and whites, because drugs have disastrous effects on black communities, but not white communities. Whites on marijuana do not cause problems for other people, as near to none of them as make no difference. All blacks on marijuana cause big problems for other people, as near to all of them as makes no difference. The closer someone's race is to apes, the worse the effect of alcohol and drugs. This difference between races is much larger than the difference between individuals of the same race. The difference is quite evident even with the highly evolved East Asians. Venture capitalists usually suspect that engineers are trying to scam them (and usually engineers are trying to scam them) so they like to get drunk with the people they are considering funding, for in wine their is truth. But even a small amount of alcohol is apt to make an East Asian badly behaved and physically ill. So the highly evolved East Asians are reluctant to drink enough that you can rely on them to speak truth, so business deals involving East Asians tend to rely more on shared blackmail material, and less on getting drunk together. A white engineer will cheerfully drink a lot more than an East Asian engineer, but unlike the East Asian engineer, will remain well behaved and fit as a fiddle, even though his ability and inclination to lie collapses. It is hard to get East Asian engineers drunk enough to get the truth out of them, and if you do get them drunk enough to get the truth out of them, they are likely to chuck up. With less evolved races however, the worse alcohol affects them, the more they are inclined to drink it, lacking the self control of East Asians. Thus in practice, even in very prog San Francisco, drug laws are enforced one way on whites, and in a very different, much harsher, way on blacks, and that is the way the black community likes it.

On 1/15/2017 11:20 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:

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Do you really think that the color of a person' skin is more important than their feelings, ideas and actions?

On 1/16/2017 5:44 AM, James A. Donald wrote:

In practice, the consequences of applying the same laws in the same way to people of different races are so disastrous that even progs have one hundred and one hypocritical and ingenious ways of ensuring that different races are subject to different laws, de facto and de jure.

Even less can progs endure the disastrous consequences of applying the same laws to men and women, and they have one hundred and one hypocritical and ingenious ways of ensuring that different sexes are subject to different laws de jure, for example VAWA and Title IX, and treated very differently de facto under what is nominally the same law. Not only is the marital contract enforced, de jure, on men but not on women, but ordinary contracts are enforced de facto on men but not on women. Women are allowed to make their own decisions, but when those decisions go bad, as they frequently do because women are childish, illogical, irrational and emotional, white men wind up paying for the costs of decisions made by women of all races. Libertarians and Men's Rights Activists argue that we should deal with this by demanding that women bear the costs of their own decisions, but when women were emancipated in the Victorian era, we tried that, and the result was far too many women giving birth in dark alleys in the rain, so we wound up with the disastrous system we have now, where women of all races get to make their own decisions, and white men get to pay for those decisions. In truth, demanding that women be free to make contracts and also be held to contracts is as harsh, ridiculous, and unreasonable as demanding that children be free to make contracts and also be held to contracts, and everyone intuitively realizes this when it comes to actual practical cases, even though they claim to disagree with it in theory and in the abstract. Fertile age women therefore should always be under the tutelage of fathers or husbands. Fertile age women who find themselves without a father or a husband should be detained in government homes for wayward girls under government supervision until they can find a husband willing to take care of them, similar to the Female Factory in late eighteenth century Australia and early nineteenth century Australia. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PC5gXnhkUCk/TaemGnlSI3I/AAAAAAAAACk/oG9pw72yx0g/s1... Women in public should be under the supervision of husband or male kin, in the sense that if they behave badly it should be easy to find the responsible male and ask him to take care of the problem, just as we deal with children that misbehave in public places. https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/01/21/who-bitch-this-is/

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 07:33:58AM +1000, James A. Donald wrote:

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Even less can progs endure the disastrous consequences of applying the same laws to men and women, and they have one hundred and one hypocritical and ingenious ways of ensuring that different sexes are subject to different laws de jure, for example VAWA and Title IX,

On 1/16/2017 10:05 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

Many on this list (myself included) do not live an America - can you please summarize in a half sentence, the difference between VAWA and Title IX?

Not in half a sentence: VAWA: Violence Against Women Act. effect is that in any dispute, police are required to assume the man is in the wrong and the woman in the right. Title IX: is a portion of the United States Education Amendments of 1972, prohibiting discrimination against women. The major absurd effect is that women are supposed to be just as athletic as men, and if they are not, male physical activity must be punished and discouraged. Also effectively discourages teaching geometry or any area of academics were women perform egregiously worse than men, but by far the biggest and most absurd effect is on sports, because that is the area where female underperformance is most egregious. But academic areas where women perform better than men, or it can be pretended that they do, are just fine. Title IX prohibits discrimination against women, but not against men. Any unequal outcomes to women's disfavor must be the result of evil hateful misogyny, but any unequal outcomes to women's favor must be the result of the fact that women are wonderful. The practical consequence of Title IX is that despite the fact that women perform lower than men on IQ tests, and have considerably less motive than men to get an education, women are massively over represented in education. (Which under Title IX does not count as discrimination, though any under representation of women in in any specific area, such as sports, does count as discrimination.)

On 1/16/2017 10:25 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

There are many problems, and perhaps some possible approaches to improving the situation - for example teaching at school how to communicate in a relationship, perhaps documentaries on the problems of single parents, and certainly changes in the law - financial incentives to have a family, rather than to be a single parent, would be a good start.

Financial incentive to have a family rather than be a single parent has been tried. Turns out that childbearing is profoundly unresponsive to merely financial incentives. The early Victorians proceeded to emancipate women, figuring that since women were naturally virtuous and responsible, no disaster would ensue. The result, of course, was far too many women giving birth in dark alleys in the rain, eventually leading to our marginally less disastrous welfare state. I don't have any statistics as to how many, but it was unacceptably many. (And no, it is not the pill that made the difference. We have had the condom since the late bronze age, and the sponge since the time of Caesar. In practice, the supposed beneficial effects of new and improved contraception, or campaigns to spread knowledge and use of contraception, only appear at the same time as the actual beneficial effects of welfare for single mothers. The pill was effectively illegal in Japan until quite recently. It made only a marginal difference.) Regency period Australia had another solution to single women who were not being supervised by fathers or husbands, which solution horrifies moderns, and indeed horrified Victorians, but it undeniably worked. That solution being that you just do not allow fertile age women to follow their pussies wherever their pussies might lead. You don't allow women to sleep with men who cannot or will not marry them if pregnant, you don't allow a married woman to sleep with any man other than her husband, and you don't allow women to be disrespectful to their husbands. You keep women under as much control as necessary to prevent sexual misbehavior. Which turns out to be quite a lot of control.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 06:54:35AM -0500, John Newman wrote:

All blacks on marijuana cause "big problems"? Show me a source for that absurd line of bullshit. Have you ever met a black person, you insanely offensive fucking pile of shit?

In addition to being a set of racist screeds that are 99% bullshit and, like all racist dogma in the US, don't even begin to take into account the fact that black people were enslaved for ~250 years, your putrid fucking nonsense has nothing to do with this list.

Why is an asshole like you posting here?

Well here's one man's version of "do you have a cite for that" ... Weren't you supporting "moderation" censorship? As they say - moderation starts at home :)

On Jan 17, 2017, at 10:52 AM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:

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On 01/17/2017 03:59 AM, ZeNazi wrote:

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On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 06:54:35AM -0500, John Newman wrote: All blacks on marijuana cause "big problems"? Show me a source for that absurd line of bullshit. Have you ever met a black person, you insanely offensive fucking pile of shit?

In addition to being a set of racist screeds that are 99% bullshit and, like all racist dogma in the US, don't even begin to take into account the fact that black people were enslaved for ~250 years, your putrid fucking nonsense has nothing to do with this list.

Why is an asshole like you posting here? Well here's one man's version of "do you have a cite for that" ...

Weren't you supporting "moderation" censorship? As they say - moderation starts at home :)

He's saying you're posting shit that has no relevance at all to this list.

Why? "Punk", in the modern vernacular, has it's origins in anarchistic music and it's counterculture. Fascists like Sturmfont can NEVER be 'punk, because Fascism is the opposite and opposed end of the political spectrum from Anarchism. So your postings are in violation of what passes for the list's 'charter'.

You should start a [cyberantipunks] list for your crap.

Rr

Ps. the only reason I'm seeing this post at all is b/c John responded to your mastur-baiting

That's funny - the only reason i saw Zens apologist bullshit is Razer's reply ;) Anyway, another Donald to killfile. Fucking prick spouting pseudo-scientific bullshit, so ridiculously offensive i think he's just trolling for the lolz

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote: Ps. the only reason I'm seeing this post at all is b/c John responded to

your mastur-baiting

​Hahaha!! And the only reason I'm seeing this post is because you and John responded to the NaZzzi Princess​, hahaha!! And I bet Mirimir'll read my message thinking "Oh, Ceci, and the only reason I'm seeing this garbage is because you, Razer and John responded to his shit!", hahahaha!! ;D ​I'm pretty busy and will answer better later, probably tomorrow, but Duck Donald ​is an old cypherpunk and has some notions of crypto. Zzz Princess and him are pretending to be less intimate in public, but he already sent some racist messages and conspiracy theories to his 'mate' Zzz. Our Zzztupid Princess already forwarded some of them before to this list. D'oooh! Life is hard when you're a zzztupid lozzzer! :) Donald Duck is not so stupid as Zzz, but decided to provoke, shock and offend everybody with his racist garbage instead just lurking as usual. He is probably feeling needy and wants some attention. I hope he tries a Brazilian sexual position named '120' with his good 'mate' Zzz. It'll be a real pleasure to send them a '51 bottle'. They'll feel happy and "filled" as never before, hahaha!! ;D (69 + 51 = 120... http://origin.cachaca51.com.br/en/produtos Yep, it's big! :P) ​Tender kisses and tickles, guys! I'll return soon to tell you a fun story about when Zzz was trying to stalk me on FB. He stalked the wrong Cecilia Tanaka and I talked to her, hahaha!! ;D​

After the horrifying bloodbaths of the twentieth century, the doctrines of equality and demotism should be thoroughly and utterly discredited, should be seen as outrageous, shocking, and evil. Yet strangely, they are not. I notice that the Democrats are working their way towards rationalizing nuclear war with Russia, since a hundred million human sacrifices to equality and social justice during the twentieth century were not enough. They have a lot of overly clever and excessively complicated rationales, but the real reason is this: Razer sells out to the left because the arc of history supposedly is leftwards. But Russia, instead of turning prog after communism, shows strong signs of turning to the faith that used to be known as Christianity before progs reinvented Christianity as yet another form of proggism. Maybe the arc of history is not ever leftwards. Maybe left wing movements go ever leftwards till they end catastrophically. Maybe the arc of history peaked at Pol Pot. Razer hears a voice in his head telling him he has sold his soul and has been speaking power to truth. Razer wants Russia nuked to make the arc of history go the way it is supposed to so that terrible voice in his head will stop saying terrible things about him. Nuking Russia is motivated by the same motives as "Never Trump" - that if leftist victory is not inevitable, then it is all a lie, and leftists lose status. The US sponsored coup to seize the Ukraine is a symptom, not a cause. The actual cause is that Russians treat Pussy Riot as beggars, gypsies, whores, tramps, and thieves, as low status. The US believes that when Pussy Riot barges into a Cathedral and vandalizes it, the Christians should stop being offensive to Pussy Riot, rather than that Pussy Riot should stop being offensive to Christians, because Pussy Riot is high status and Christians are low status - and if Pussy Riot is low status, then people who post equalist piety to this list are low status, and therefore razer is low status, therefore, they think, Russia needs to be nuked, in order that razer and other people who post off topic equalist crap to this list can be high status.

On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 09:42:48 +1000 "James A. Donald" <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:

After the horrifying bloodbaths of the twentieth century,

caused by *marijuana-smocking*, black, wall street bankers, to be more precise.

On Jan 17, 2017, at 6:42 PM, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:

After the horrifying bloodbaths of the twentieth century, the doctrines of equality and demotism should be thoroughly and utterly discredited, should be seen as outrageous, shocking, and evil.

Yet strangely, they are not.

LOL. The doctrines of equality were the cause of WWI and WWII? All states are bad but you in particular have a grudge against ‘demotism', of course. I suspect you’re a fucking monarchist (as long as its a white king, right? Wouldn’t want any sex-crazed Queens ruining things for everybody) And I wouldn’t speak for others thoughts - how the fuck would you pretend to know what Razer, or anyone else, is thinking? Go pray to your Christian God, who doesn’t exist (HOW PROGGY OF ME), and who, no doubt, in your twisted world view, endorsed the mass extermination of the Jewish people. Go pleasure yourself at your hitler idol, you fucking maniac. <garbage snipped>

On Jan 17, 2017, at 7:43 PM, James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:

James A. Donald <jamesd@echeque.com> wrote:

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After the horrifying bloodbaths of the twentieth century, the doctrines of equality and demotism should be thoroughly and utterly discredited, should be seen as outrageous, shocking, and evil.

Yet strangely, they are not.

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On 1/18/2017 10:19 AM, John Newman wrote: LOL. The doctrines of equality were the cause of WWI and WWII?

Yes, the doctrines of equality caused those wars, but those wars did not kill anything like a hundred million. I had in mind the communist bloodbaths in China, Russia, Indochina, Yugoslavia, etc, which were conducted in peacetime after communist victory was entirely secure.

This will be the last email i send to you, because i've just updated my mail filters. Blaming the disasters of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc on the doctrines of equality is utterly asinine. These are all examples of ultra totalitarian regimes who mismanaged their way into human suffering on a massive scale. The ideals of equality had nothing to do with it. Have a nice life. Actually, get fucked ;)

On 1/17/2017 9:54 PM, John Newman wrote:

All blacks on marijuana cause "big problems"? Show me a source for that absurd line of bullshit.

Obviously there are no proper official Science studies that notice this, just as there are no proper official science studies that notice that today's icecaps are a hell of a lot larger than they were in the 1900s, but what you can observe is that even in loony tunes prog paradise like San Francisco, they enforce drug laws on blacks like nazi stormtroopers, because the black community demands it, and that the legalization of Marijuana in San Francisco is unpopular among the biggest victims of the drug war, the black community.