Adding [Cypherpunks] at the beginning of a subject by default
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Vasily Kolobkov <polezaivsani@openmailbox.org> wrote:
Hey Avinash! No offence, but
Hello Vasily! Thanks for the reply. BTW I don't see a single reason why would someone get offended. :)
why don't you tweak your/choose another mail client that can sort messages for you?
As I said may lists follow the practice of prefixing the list name to subject. It helps in quickly identifying the message without even clicking on it. Now about tweaking the client, which one do you use which gives the ability to quickly spot the messages just by having a single look at your mailbox? Even if we filter messages we still need to click on the folder which contains those messages. I don't see a valid reason for not saving a user click and user's time. That being said, if there are not enough people who get affected by this issue and we decide to continue the current practice I am thinking about using Gmail "Labels". :) -- Avinash Sonawane (rootKea) PICT, Pune https://rootkea.wordpress.com
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On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Vasily Kolobkov <polezaivsani@openmailbox.org> wrote:
Hey Avinash! No offence, but
Hello Vasily! Thanks for the reply. BTW I don't see a single reason why would someone get offended. :)
why don't you tweak your/choose another mail client that can sort messages for you?
As I said may lists follow the practice of prefixing the list name to subject. It helps in quickly identifying the message without even clicking on it.
Now about tweaking the client, which one do you use which gives the ability to quickly spot the messages just by having a single look at your mailbox?
Thunderbird works for me. Every message from the CPunks list that hits the inbox in question lands in a CPunks folder. New arrivals cause the folder name in the folders list to change color, and increment the message count next to the folder name. "Easy to spot" becomes a non-issue; new messages are nearly impossible to miss, and all the messages from the list are viewed in context with the rest of the messages from the list when the folder is opened. It is also very easy to create new filter rules to sort a given "from" address into a CPunks Spam folder, which in my case is about 20% of the messages from the list. "One click" enables me to check these for anything interesting or useful, although such is rarely found. Adding the list name to every subject line means pushing every subject line n. spaces to the right, with what I would call redundant visual clutter. Looking at the list messages display in Thunderbird I count six presently visible subject lines that end in ... because they are longer than the column they appear in, /without/ a redundant list name in front of them.
Even if we filter messages we still need to click on the folder which contains those messages. I don't see a valid reason for not saving a user click and user's time.
That being said, if there are not enough people who get affected by this issue and we decide to continue the current practice I am thinking about using Gmail "Labels". :)
That is GMail's semi-equivalent of filtering messages into folders, but there's a way better method IMO: Use Thunderbird. GMail supports the IMAP protocol, so a GMail account looks and works "the same as" a real e-mail account when accessed via Thunderbird. That also cuts the attack surface for Google's friendly, harmless Javascript / AJAX right out of the picture. Also, Thunderbird + Enigmail = complete and user friendly GPG support for webmail accounts, with no time consuming failure prone work-arounds required. Bit of fun: GMail's AJAX code repeatedly harvests draft message text in progress while-u-type, a feature that makes recovery from a browser crash without lost work possible. And all your plaintext are belong to Google. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJZA3toAAoJEECU6c5Xzmuq9igH/j+ztMHwdPnxyk7NZGZLb+FL Mqw9bfgtSrBSdbvP/3VL1zuqHaapl4AB1tWMU/pMQGw1YSTfFjK16pP00xE54WS9 dpOksUR1I9lly7duhfm3s6gD9d0x/apf3E+jDEBqaK1hKoAS/xDEYdyf55bCTyar sEDcFF5Zg6uo0STDPW8SHjqWrCLQVzydp5fLAxA8iogoyYSiUTq+8Od9SjG1N+sl 4zWO5oRRADZCN3XEI+7CIxEJ3ueIaEMIm1cu4AyXa01pgFMVlSYKh6bGIGGJ0QxO XoDJz1+ghqbEnDl+bvUvPLU1H0bFXrvelC0qxXn42feS1qF43XNo0jVUZsVfA8U= =NVrZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Dear colleagues, A quick FYI, since I am the current list maintainer: 1. This field is present in postings, and could be used to filter, or to munge or otherwise direct or update the messages you receive: List-Id: The Cypherpunks Mailing List <cypherpunks.lists.cpunks.org> 2. We did not use the Mailman setting to prepend the list name because that was not part of the prior setting. The changeover of the list hosting happened last year. So, there was not much of a decision process, but simply an effort to keep the status quo. - Greg On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 01:27:04PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
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On 04/28/2017 05:07 AM, Avinash Sonawane wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Vasily Kolobkov <polezaivsani@openmailbox.org> wrote:
Hey Avinash! No offence, but
Hello Vasily! Thanks for the reply. BTW I don't see a single reason why would someone get offended. :)
why don't you tweak your/choose another mail client that can sort messages for you?
As I said may lists follow the practice of prefixing the list name to subject. It helps in quickly identifying the message without even clicking on it.
Now about tweaking the client, which one do you use which gives the ability to quickly spot the messages just by having a single look at your mailbox?
Thunderbird works for me. Every message from the CPunks list that hits the inbox in question lands in a CPunks folder. New arrivals cause the folder name in the folders list to change color, and increment the message count next to the folder name. "Easy to spot" becomes a non-issue; new messages are nearly impossible to miss, and all the messages from the list are viewed in context with the rest of the messages from the list when the folder is opened.
It is also very easy to create new filter rules to sort a given "from" address into a CPunks Spam folder, which in my case is about 20% of the messages from the list. "One click" enables me to check these for anything interesting or useful, although such is rarely found.
Adding the list name to every subject line means pushing every subject line n. spaces to the right, with what I would call redundant visual clutter. Looking at the list messages display in Thunderbird I count six presently visible subject lines that end in ... because they are longer than the column they appear in, /without/ a redundant list name in front of them.
Even if we filter messages we still need to click on the folder which contains those messages. I don't see a valid reason for not saving a user click and user's time.
That being said, if there are not enough people who get affected by this issue and we decide to continue the current practice I am thinking about using Gmail "Labels". :)
That is GMail's semi-equivalent of filtering messages into folders, but there's a way better method IMO: Use Thunderbird. GMail supports the IMAP protocol, so a GMail account looks and works "the same as" a real e-mail account when accessed via Thunderbird. That also cuts the attack surface for Google's friendly, harmless Javascript / AJAX right out of the picture.
Also, Thunderbird + Enigmail = complete and user friendly GPG support for webmail accounts, with no time consuming failure prone work-arounds required.
Bit of fun: GMail's AJAX code repeatedly harvests draft message text in progress while-u-type, a feature that makes recovery from a browser crash without lost work possible. And all your plaintext are belong to Google.
:o)
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On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:24 PM, Greg Newby <gbnewby@pglaf.org> wrote:
Dear colleagues,
Thank you for the reply Greg!
A quick FYI, since I am the current list maintainer:
1. This field is present in postings, and could be used to filter, or to munge or otherwise direct or update the messages you receive: List-Id: The Cypherpunks Mailing List <cypherpunks.lists.cpunks.org>
Thanks. I'll use the List-Id field to filter the messages as I have moved to Thunderbird.
2. We did not use the Mailman setting to prepend the list name because that was not part of the prior setting. The changeover of the list hosting happened last year. So, there was not much of a decision process, but simply an effort to keep the status quo.
Good to know. :) -- Avinash Sonawane (rootKea) PICT, Pune https://rootkea.wordpress.com
On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:27:04 -0400 Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
Bit of fun: GMail's AJAX code repeatedly harvests draft message text in progress while-u-type,
aka almost-realtime-keylogging a feature that makes recovery from a browser
crash without lost work possible. And all your plaintext are belong to Google.
:o)
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On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 10:57 PM, Steve Kinney <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
Also, Thunderbird + Enigmail = complete and user friendly GPG support for webmail accounts, with no time consuming failure prone work-arounds required.
Yes. I have been wanting to use GPG keys in Tunderbird using Enigmail for so long! Thanks for reminding me of Enigmail. :) And yes. Gmail or any 3rd party webmail is garbage when it comes to privacy. Moving to Thunderbird. (Not comfortable with mutt yet!) -- Avinash Sonawane (rootKea) PICT, Pune https://rootkea.wordpress.com
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