Documentary: Stateless - Anarchy Emigrates by Todd Schramke
A “loose-knit” community of crypto-anarchists emigrate to Acapulco, a city recently ranked as the fourth most dangerous in the world, to escape the powers of nation-states. But several years into the movement, the group diverges into to different visions of liberty. Anarchast Ep.425 Jeff Berwick interviews Todd Schramke producer of the upcoming documentary 'Stateless'. Topics include: an 'Anarchist' in Oakland, questioning the role of government, the 'Stateless' documetary project, change and growth in the Anarchapulco expat community, telling our own story, government mind control, crowd funding the Stateless documentary, the band Kylland, tour plans, Anarchapulco 2019 The Stateless documentary crowdfunding page: https://statelessdoc.com/crowdfunding Find out more about and listen to Kylland: https://www.facebook.com/KyllandMusic https://kylland.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/kylland Tickets for Anarchapulco 2019: https://anarchapulco.com/ Anarchast on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Anarchast Anarchast: http://anarchast.com/
https://statelessdoc.com/blog/ Reprogramming Society To Reinvent Civilization Without States Acapulco, Mexico was ranked the fourth most dangerous city in the world in 2015 by the U.S. State Department, which advised American travelers to avoid the region. In this city that same year, controversial Anarcho-Capitalist internet personality Jeff Berwick launched the Anarchapulco Conference. The three day event was designed to attract other “ancaps”, libertarians, and crypto-anarchists to Acapulco, with hopes of encouraging many to become residents of the region and build a new community of government-evaders. Nathan and Lisa Freeman decided after attending the first Anarchapulco that they wanted to dive in. Relocating for both for their ethical principles and for the ability to raise their children without government oversight, they left their comfortable middle-class life in Georgia to live in Mexico. The next year, Nathan took over the responsibility of running the conference. His efforts, combined with an explosion in the value of cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin, allowed the event to grow each year, with the 2018 conference attracting over 1600 people. He juggles this operation while also remotely working as a partner at a software consulting firm and fathering three kids. The eclectic community also includes a couple in their mid-twenties, John and Lily, who fled across the border after being arrested for manufacturing cannabis products. Arriving in Acapulco with only $30 and no passports, their lifestyle contrasts dramatically against the Freemans. Following the 2017 conference, John and Lily became dissatisfied with the more “centralized” direction taken by Anarchapulco. So they decided to create their own event called “Anarchaforko,” an homage to the ‘forking’ process in the world of software development, one which has analogously shaped the world of cryptocurrencies. The film also looks into the life of Erika Harris, who stayed in Acapulco after attending the 2016 conference. She is perhaps the most unique figure in the community not only on a superficial level — being a black woman — but more importantly on a philosophical level. “These are soul issues. These are organic, cosmic issues,” she says while feeling the politicization of the freedom movement and its tendency to embrace the left-right paradigm of the mainstream. The most common point of skepticism in the blockchain-sphere is the lack of real-world application. This film contests that point by dissecting the lives of these renegades, dreamers, and revolutionaries and asks the question: Is a stateless world possible?
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The most common questions I receive when first talking about this film is, “How did you find these people?” So these two blog entries are here to answer that question and help everyone understand where I am coming from. Stateless, is not an advocacy film. While I don’t think there even is a completely unifying ideology which encompasses the people who appear in this movie, I want to make it clear that I am not espousing any specific worldview. My intention here is to cast a light on and humanize a movement which is frequently underrepresented or misunderstood. And as with any film I make, I want the people I feature to not simply be elevated, but also put in a position to defend their decisions and positions. All that being said, I sincerely value the lineage which brought all of these people together, as it overlaps with so much of my early intellectual development. I admire anyone who is willing to question institutions on an existential level, and especially those who are willing to change their lives based on the analyses. THE VERY BEGINNING Like most people, my first political influences came from my parents. In my home, this was mostly shaped by my father. This took the form of a sort of Bill Buckley/National Review conservatism. My father was the first to present me the notion that taxation is a form a theft. To him, it was a necessary evil which should be minimized. And this was understandable from his perspective. He was born into poverty, the youngest of eleven kids in a Michigan farm town. After relocating to the small city of Saginaw at age five, he spent most of his life from then on working his way into the middle class, allowing him to raise a family more comfortably. We were never wealthy by most Americans’ standards. While my family’s income may have gone pretty far in depressed Saginaw, it placed us only in the middle-middle class of New Jersey where I grew up. It was understandable that my father felt exploited with more than half of his money going to fund the various levels of government, while getting very little in return for that. My father’s main political concern was on taxation, with a minor post-Catholic emphasis on social opposition to things like abortion and drug-legalization. I passively agreed with his stances on these things until in middle school when I fell into the world of punk rock. My favorite bands, like Rise Against and NOFX, seemed completely opposed to my dad’s opinions, taking persistent protests against against the G.W. Bush era G.O.P. This put my in a state of liminality in which I abandoned all concern for politics. One of the first song lyrics I wrote for my band at age 14: I don’t care about politics I don’t care who’s a hypocrite I don’t care, I can’t even vote My mind won’t change by a song you wrote Every day I hear the same old shit Every song, they’re all about it Our world sucks, I can see But whatever happened to “Fuck Authority?” By my teenage years, I hated everything about school. It felt like a prison or an indoctrination camp — a sentiment I would regularly share with my peers whom never really seemed to care. While I still respected my father’s anti-government inclinations, his Republican conclusion didn’t seem all too rational to me. And though I respected the anti-Bush messages of my punk rock heroes, their conclusion to get out and vote Democrat still seemed like an all too authoritarian solution. So, I was nothing. THE SENSE OF BELONGING That feeling lasted until the 2008 presidential election when the character, Ron Paul, showed up along with my first exposure to the idea of libertarianism. This was the most consistently anti-authoritarian movement I had seen, and it finally felt like I had a political home. the Austrian economists. I debated with my left-leaning peers in college feeling like I had the answers to everything. I had basically taken what my father had taught me, and applied it to what I saw as the most conclusive application of his principles. The following year, I downloaded an .mp3 after searching “libertarian podcast.” The first episode of the first search result was titled, “The Stateless Society – An Examination of Alternatives.” In it, a man with an ambiguous accent, maybe Irish or English, outlined in less than 30 minutes a series of ideas in which all of the functions of the government — military, police, contracts, social security, firefighting — could be provided without taxation or “the initiation of force.” My mind had never been so suddenly changed. I was an anarchist. And while the vision of anarchy that converted me was of a rather different flavor than the teenage anarcho-punk ideologies I was exposed to, the word in itself felt right. It was sort of familiar. The same distaste my father felt against taxes, and the same distaste my musical influences felt toward authority could finally be consolidated. The podcast was called Freedomain Radio, and it was hosted by Stefan Molyneux, an Irish-born former software entrepreneur who lived in Toronto. Fans of the show, or “Freedomainers” as I they called themselves, would simply refer to him as “Stef.” He started recording the episodes in 2005. His earliest episodes were recorded while driving in his car during his commute. They included a range of topics around anarcho-capitalism, atheism, and philosophy. Though what was most captivating about his rants and writings were not his criticisms, but his call to action. Behind Stef’s messages there was no call to arms. His listeners were not encouraged to take to the streets, and voting was laughed at or even framed as a form of state-aggression in itself. The community — through Stef’s words — instead saw the task of eliminating the state to be most likely impossible within our lifetime. So instead, the necessary work was to focus on future generations. So, I became a broke 20-year-old musician, who read books about peaceful parenting. THE SOLUTION The government, according to Stef, would only ever cease to exist if enough humans no longer perceived violence as an appropriate measure for solving social problems. The reason most citizens so willingly support taxation and other forms of law based outside of property rights (e.g. drug control laws) is because most people are raised as children through authoritarian parenting and education structures. Almost all mainstream child-rearing systems were scrutinized, from infancy through adolescence. Bottle-feeding or early breast milk weaning were viewed as some of the earliest forms of trauma, along with the “cry it out” conditioning tactics often associated with bedroom-separation. Toddlers and small children were seen as the most brutal victims of statist parenting. Stef argued that children were the only category of humans against whom physical assault was not only legal, but encouraged, spanking being the most common form of this. Schooling was of course a popular subject, one on which I was especially easy to sway considering my miserable experience in a government-run school system. Yet simply talking about a paradigm-shift in child-rearing was not enough, nor was it enough to simply assume that once people were exposed to these ideas they would be willing to completely adopt them. And even committed devoted Freedomainers were not likely to be capable of immediate change. It was more or less believed that we were all victims of childhood trauma, which could only be resolved through therapy. This is where I first noticed things were problematic. THE COMMUNITY Much of my experience of Freedomain Radio (FDR) wasn’t shaped as much by Stef as it was the community which built itself around him. The online discussion forums became one of my go-to internet distractions. There was a built-in hierarchy in the FDR community. Stef opted to publish all of his books and podcasts for free and without advertising support. So instead, all of the work and overhead was funded by direct pay-what-you-want contributions from the community. Members who chose to subscribe would get a certain “status” labeled next to their image on the message boards: bronze, silver, gold, diamond, or “Philosopher King.” While there was no strong discrimination against non-subscribers, there was a lot of social pressure to put up some money. I eventually did, paying $10 a month over a year, which was considerable for my pathetic college budget. The more I got to personally know some of the other FDR enthusiasts, the more I realized I was a bit of an anomaly in the group. First night in Spain The first meetup I attended took place in Spain. In 2010, several Freedomainers decided to organize a week-long meetup in Málaga, a small resort city on the southern Spanish coast. The meetup happened to fall a week before my sister’s wedding in Germany. I took a leap of faith; I bought a plane ticket to Spain to meet the Freedomainers in the flesh. It was my first time traveling out of North America, and my first time flying on a plane alone. I didn’t speak any Spanish– I felt intimidated. After a ten hour layover in Dublin, I landed in Spain on a warm June evening, with an international flip-phone that I couldn’t get to work. Feeling exhausted, I made my way via taxi to a hostel where I was sharing a room with a few others in the group. Only a few minutes after arriving, two of the members showed up looking for me. We walked up a hill in the dim city center toward the Alcazaba de Málaga, a palatial fortification dated to the 11th century. Near the summit under an amber street light within the old stone architecture, a dozen men ranging from ages 20 to 60 stood around talking, laughing, drinking wine, and playing music together. They warmly welcomed me, some of the them having been there a few days already. I had never experienced such a deep and genuine connection with so many new people at once (though many of them I had connected with on the forums for a while). I was intoxicated. Though there was a surprising pattern I recognized. The most common point of conversation which was repeated about ten times in my first couple days in Spain was “How did you find FDR?” It seemed the path which I followed — through the old libertarian political chain — was a deep minority. Most of the people at this meetup found the podcast not at all through the politics, but through the self-improvement component of Stef’s work. This made me feel like a bit of an outsider, but I still felt totally engaged. There was a lot of “opening up” which happened over the week. I expected more conversations about ethics and economics, but things were more focused on child abuse and psychotherapy. These sensitive topics created an intense feeling of bonding. Like waking from a peculiar dream, I felt strange shifting from that close-knit and vulnerable group to a bubbly wedding crowd. I left Spain feeling even more engaged with the FDR world, and more detached than ever from my family. I was indoctrinated. DOUBT Despite my envelopment in FDR, I remember feeling skeptical through it all. There was a nearly absolute reverence for everything Stef said, and I found that unsettling. Much of his work, especially his system of ethics which he coined “Universally Preferable Behavior” (UPB) didn’t make sense to me, though I resolved to assume I had not put in enough effort to understand it. Against my reservations, I still longed to be a deeper part of this community. Once I made my way back home, I needed more. Every year up until 2010, Stef would host a listener appreciation barbeque around the end of the Summer at his home in a Toronto suburb. The community was small enough at the time that it was feasible. (Where as now his Youtube channel has 700,000+ subscribers, and over 200 million views.) But back then, he opened his home to anyone who was a member on the message board and willing to make the trip. People traveled from as far as London (a couple I met in Spain), but most were from the eastern U.S. and Canada. The barbeque was the first time I felt off-base about the community. Not long after discovering FDR, I stumbled upon an article detailing accusations of the group being an “internet cult,” but that did not deter me. The group clearly had many typical characteristics of a cult (charismatic leader, unique phrases and terminologies, in-group + out-group dynamics), but none of these things seemed to be inherently wrong to me. I viewed them as common components of many communities which helped them bond and organize ideas. Lingering behind with Kevin during a Stef-centered discussion. The first high profile media coverage for FDR was in 2008 appeared in England, about a mother placing the cult allegation against Stef after her 18-year-old son cut off contact with her after becoming a fan of the podcast. The consensus explanation within the community was that she was an abusive mother — who also happened to be a politician — who wouldn’t own up to the fact that she had destroyed her relationship with her son. I don’t know what was true about the story. But the fact that the community even had a specific word for the process of cutting off contact with one’s family for whatever fucking reason didn’t strike me as a problem. “DeFOO” is what they called it (“FOO” meaning “family of origin”), and all the coolest Freedomainers were doing it. I recall watching the 2012 film, The Master, some time after that picnic. The movie was a fictionalized version of the early days of Scientology. A scene in the film struck me as oddly familiar. It is set in a living room at the residence/headquarters of an L. Ron Hubbard inspired character played by Philip Seymour Hoffman. The scene plays out: He is conducting a talk therapy session, in which one of the devotees of the movement allows the leader to extract revealing information from him regarding early-life trauma in front of dozens of other followers. A similar scenario happened at the picnic I attended, at the Molyneux house in 2010. Several lauded members of FDR took a seat on the couch near Stef and went through the same extraction process. I remember distinctly feeling uncomfortable about it. I don’t think my discomfort was about the fact that people were talking publicly about very vulnerable subjects. In fact, I think it is positive and healthy. What truly made me feel unsettled was that in those moments, it became extremely apparent that these people were putting absolute trust into one person. During that part of the picnic, I found ways to be outside of it but still appear engaged; either lurking out in the kitchen, or outside chatting with others who were equally uninterested in the talk show happening inside. In 2016, I reconnected with one of those people, Kevin, when I started planning this film. A SLOW & RELUCTANT DEPARTURE The more time one devotes to a cause, movement, or group, the harder it becomes to distance oneself from it. Despite the very apparent problems within the community, I would continue to give money and reach out for many more months. I met some of the closest “inner-circle” Freedomainers at the barbeque who had set up their own sub-community in Philadelphia. There were maybe a dozen people mostly in their early 20’s (though a few a bit older), of varying degrees of involvement who almost all at this time deFOOed and were exclusively engaging socially with other Freedomainers. I met with these folks in Philly a few times before finally realizing that the FDR wasn’t for me. FDR Thanksgiving gathering. I sat listening to an organized discussion after our Thanksgiving meal, in which they made a conscious decision to ostracize a woman from the group who had a disagreement about one of Stef’s opinions. This moment influenced me in a pretty significant way, but that is another story for another time. Shortly after my experience with the Philadelphia community, I stopped sending money to Stef, and stopped regularly listening to the show. I stayed connected to many of the people on Facebook, and witnessed most of them fall away too. I still value some of the knowledge and insights I gathered from this youthful leap of consciousness. I still strongly hold on to Stef’s views about peaceful parenting. This is a topic I explore in Stateless, through a couple who also had a falling out with Stef. I also hold dearly the notion that the most productive way toward broad social change is through collective improvement of our closest relationships (like parents/children). Now, in 2017, I am embarrassed to say that I once associated with and gave money to this guy. I’m also pretty sad to see that he has exploded in popularity since dropping an emphasize in non-violent relationships, and opting to build a network with race-oriented “Alt-Right” personalities. Though it is also not surprising, as racial and ethnic prejudice is historically easier to package and sell than philosophical rigour. I was forgiving of Stef for the cultish mishaps, as they were largely self-imposed by his followers. But now I feel more removed than ever. I AM NOTHING AGAIN The dream-like qualities of my time in Freedomain Radio felt more real when I reunited with two people I met in Ontario, Kevin and Juan, on our first shoot in Acapulco. They introduced me to several people in the Anarchapulco community who experienced a similar distancing from FDR. As for my present political identity: If anything I am back where I started in high school. I have long since given up on finding my tribe. However, I do know that I am entirely dissatisfied with the way our social institutions seem to have lagged so far behind our technologies. I see no reason to fear radical change to any of our long-established systems. Education, work, the nuclear family, and the state — they are all fair game to me. I think in the long term, these shifts will be necessary, and hopefully they can be executed with thought and intent rather than fear and randomness. And I’m not just interested in change for the sake of change, but for a healthier more secure human species. The intersection of new technology and social structures is where these revolutions will emerge, and I plan on being there with a camera — or maybe one day some other tool which has yet to be imagined. Here is a confession: This was project was not initially supposed to take this long. Actually, this was not even supposed to be a feature film. And to be completely honest, when I first started rolling my camera from the balcony of an AirBnB in the middle of Acapulco’s “Golden” zone, I wasn’t even sure that this was a story worth telling. But here I am two years later still telling this story, and now blurring this lines with my own life’s tale. The original trip to Acapulco in 2016 was only partially a production trip. I was feeling exhausted by the constantly inflating cost of living in the San Francisco Bay Area, and facing being priced out of my home. It was something that felt like I could not escape anywhere in the United States, so I started fantasizing about getting out of the country. I didn’t have a plan or immediate desire to move away, but I wanted a break. My personality has a hard time traveling for leisure, so my vocation as a filmmaker/video producer combined with a chance story of my past led me to book a trip down to Acapulco. The goal was to maybe gather enough footage with this emerging community to put together a short film, and at the very least open up my social circle to some folks who managed to drop out of the American way of life. I was immediately impressed by how open and welcoming everyone was in the community. Me and my associate producer were invited dinners and private meetups, driven around, and just generally treated like one of their own. But I had only booked that trip for 6 days, and spent most of it just building a rapport with everyone and filtering through the amazingly unique collection of personalities. I didn’t really know for sure upon my departure what would come of it. I spent the end of 2016 wrapping up a prior large project, and when I finally got around to digging through that first batch of footage, I felt madly inspired to keep going with this. I could see from afar on social media how rapidly the community and the Anarchapulco conference were evolving. And when I saw in mid-2017 that two of the people I spent the most time with on that first trip were forking the conference, I knew I had to be there. So I spent the rest of the year eagerly waiting, promoting, fundraising, and building a team to turn this incidental maybe-a-short-film into a full feature production. Everything was going to come together in this second trip. There would be excitement, energy, and drama. We had behind-the-scenes access granted to both conferences. And unlike that first trip, there were plans, questions, and relationships all in place. The footage we gathered on this trip was dynamic, interesting, and spontaneous. Yet I had a feeling on my way back to California that something was going to happen that would draw me back one more time. That thing did happen (though I’m not gonna spoil anything) and now we are planning on going back one more time to tie this story up.
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:39:36 -0500 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Tickets for Anarchapulco 2019: https://anarchapulco.com/
LMAO!!!! 545 dollars to listen to a bunch of right wing assholes, many of whom are the 'leaders' of the americunt fake libertarian movement. wrong paul? motherfucker scumbag jeffrey tucker? napolitano? fucking asshole casey, accomplice of argie politicians? berwick, 'ex' salesman for casey scams, and 'entrepreneur' selling his own scam in chile? et cetera, et cetera. 'anarchapulco' tickets are 600 bucks but the involuntary self parody is priceless =)
These guys are a joke, trying to capitilize on anarchy to push forward their own agentas. I am disgusted. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Sunday, December 16, 2018 9:24 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:39:36 -0500 grarpamp grarpamp@gmail.com wrote:
Tickets for Anarchapulco 2019: https://anarchapulco.com/
LMAO!!!!
545 dollars to listen to a bunch of right wing assholes, many of whom are the 'leaders' of the americunt fake libertarian movement.
wrong paul? motherfucker scumbag jeffrey tucker? napolitano? fucking asshole casey, accomplice of argie politicians? berwick, 'ex' salesman for casey scams, and 'entrepreneur' selling his own scam in chile? et cetera, et cetera.
'anarchapulco' tickets are 600 bucks but the involuntary self parody is priceless =)
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 09:42:00PM +0000, furrier wrote:
These guys are a joke, trying to capitilize on anarchy to push forward their own agentas. I am disgusted.
+1 Is there any transparency in where the fees go? How much the organizers spend & _make_ on this whole fucking thing? I just opened up the (gaudy as fuck) website, the first thing you see: HOLIDAY SALE HAPPENING NOW! 2 Anarchapulco Tickets 5 Nights At Princess Mundo Imperial Hotel Regular Price $1,715, Now Only $1,515 Jeff Berwick looks like a straight fucking con man to me. Check out his website, where he sells "subscriptions" to his financial newsletter - https://dollarvigilante.com/subscribe/ The checkout page accepts credit cards and paypal - no crypto currencies accepted to pay for this supposed crypto-currency newsletter :P
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Sunday, December 16, 2018 9:24 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:39:36 -0500 grarpamp grarpamp@gmail.com wrote:
Tickets for Anarchapulco 2019: https://anarchapulco.com/
LMAO!!!!
545 dollars to listen to a bunch of right wing assholes, many of whom are the 'leaders' of the americunt fake libertarian movement.
wrong paul? motherfucker scumbag jeffrey tucker? napolitano? fucking asshole casey, accomplice of argie politicians? berwick, 'ex' salesman for casey scams, and 'entrepreneur' selling his own scam in chile? et cetera, et cetera.
'anarchapulco' tickets are 600 bucks but the involuntary self parody is priceless =)
-- GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7
These guys are a joke, trying to capitilize on anarchy to push forward their own agentas. I am disgusted. Is there any transparency
Anarchism is free to capitalize, agenda, critique, and disclose. Does such localized voluntary hierarchical capitalism offend anarchism? To charge for IRL experience, or go nonprofit cost recovery, or pro bono? Did anyone get assaulted or stolen from? Are you not free to anarchoforko yet again, to spawn whatever? If not free to coexist and do all these, then what is this anarchism fakery you preach? If you want the message of any form of anarchism to spread and be heard and freely invite everyone to it, then you're also free to critique and advise whatever organizers around the world on how best might do that. Concerning availability for distribution by everyone of needed anarchism message... one might only really object to the timelocking, sequestering, and charging for non live realtime stream immediately post conference access to all conference multimedia proceedings... ie: video, audio, papers, slides. Denying the world free access to that, before any degree of majority mainstream adoption, could perhaps be shameful and antiproductive to rapidly spreading message of anarchism, in many fora, freely by many, as they see fit. False messages need secrecy and paywalls to control critique. Truth stands and lives well in the open.
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 5:37 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
These guys are a joke, trying to capitilize on anarchy to push forward their own agentas. I am disgusted. Is there any transparency
Anarchism is free to capitalize, agenda, critique, and disclose.
I guess it really is. I shouldn't be amazed that people can be deceptive, despisable, or any other characterization you can think of, no matter their political orientation. I got a glimpse of it during my visit in Acapulco, it's only now that I am starting to realize the world. Excuse my ignorance.
On Monday, December 17, 2018, 8:38:43 PM PST, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
These guys are a joke, trying to capitilize on anarchy to push forward their own agentas. I am disgusted. Is there any transparency
Anarchism is free to capitalize, agenda, critique, and disclose. Does such localized voluntary hierarchical capitalism offend anarchism?
I've never thought that there must necessarily be anything wrong with truly-voluntary heirarchical structures. Clubs with presidents and other officers, for instance. Jim Bell
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 09:26:04PM +0000, jim bell wrote:
On Monday, December 17, 2018, 8:38:43 PM PST, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
These guys are a joke, trying to capitilize on anarchy to push forward their own agentas. I am disgusted. Is there any transparency
Anarchism is free to capitalize, agenda, critique, and disclose. Does such localized voluntary hierarchical capitalism offend anarchism?
I've never thought that there must necessarily be anything wrong with truly-voluntary heirarchical structures. Clubs with presidents and other officers, for instance.
Nor I, but what I do find disturbing are people trying to monetize an ideology about freedom, particularly when they are known shysters. -- GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 09:55:29 -0500 John Newman <jnn@synfin.org> wrote:
Mundo Imperial Hotel Regular Price $1,715, Now Only $1,515
Jeff Berwick looks like a straight fucking con man to me. Check out his website, where he sells "subscriptions" to his financial newsletter -
https://dollarvigilante.com/subscribe/
The checkout page accepts credit cards and paypal - no crypto currencies accepted to pay for this supposed crypto-currency newsletter :P
haha, 'priceless' =P as to berwick being a con man... berwick was a salesman for doug casey, selling land that casey got from his political accomplices in salta, argentina. Mind you, this is the casey who pretends to be a 'government hating' 'narcho capitalist' - well he hates the govt except when the politicians are his best friends. then berwick was involved in selling citizenship/passports from paraguay - that didn't end well I think. https://globalwealthprotection.com/second-passport-paraguay-good-true/ berwick was also the main pusher in a 'libertarian' project in chile that ended up in outright fraud. https://galtsgulchchile.com/jeff-berwick-exposed/ ...so berwick's commercial reputation isn't exactly impressive.
‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Sunday, December 16, 2018 9:24 PM, juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Dec 2018 13:39:36 -0500 grarpamp grarpamp@gmail.com wrote:
Tickets for Anarchapulco 2019: https://anarchapulco.com/
LMAO!!!!
545 dollars to listen to a bunch of right wing assholes, many of whom are the 'leaders' of the americunt fake libertarian movement.
wrong paul? motherfucker scumbag jeffrey tucker? napolitano? fucking asshole casey, accomplice of argie politicians? berwick, 'ex' salesman for casey scams, and 'entrepreneur' selling his own scam in chile? et cetera, et cetera.
'anarchapulco' tickets are 600 bucks but the involuntary self parody is priceless =)
selling land that casey got from his political accomplices in salta, argentina.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqZH78bqbWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yRhkSTV100
selling citizenship/passports
Those are always scammy, costly, risky.
'libertarian' project in chile that ended up in outright fraud.
So many claims of docs / litigation that never come to light. There are a few sites and videos still out there on it. All viable land is owned and taxed, highly unlikely anyone be much in or upon it without standard Embassy route, or negotiating [allodial] title / buyout with same (good luck). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Property_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesday_Book Then, at the midwinter [1085], was the king in Gloucester with his council ... . After this had the king a large meeting, and very deep consultation with his council, about this land; how it was occupied, and by what sort of men. Then sent he his men over all England into each shire; commissioning them to find out "How many hundreds of hides were in the shire, what land the king himself had, and what stock upon the land; or, *what dues he ought to have by the year from the shire*." The primary purpose of the survey was to ascertain and record the fiscal rights of the king. These were mainly: the national land-tax (geldum), paid on a fixed assessment, certain miscellaneous dues, and the proceeds of the crown lands. Millenia of DNA have this concept, again, good luck, best chance: outright greed.
On Sunday, December 16, 2018, 1:48:02 PM PST, furrier <furrier@protonmail.ch> wrote:
These guys are a joke, trying to capitilize on anarchy to push forward their own agentas. I am disgusted.
I understand what you are saying. Despite the fact that I have called myself an anarchist (libertarian-anarchist) since 1995, I have noticed with dismay that a lot of people who call themselves "anarchists" (and a lot of people who are called "anarchists") are actually just big-government-loving socialists, embarrassed at the failures of socialism. For a comment that's better than I'd take the time to write, see: https://attackthesystem.com/2017/12/19/free-association-is-not-fascism-how-m... Jim Bell A partial quote by Keith Preston, which also quotes others inside:[partial quote begins] Another claim is that anarchist communities and associations must be “inclusive.” Of course, anyone who has spen time around the general anarchist milieu knows how exclusionary anarchists actually are. I generally like to cite this comment made by a former an-com some years ago as an illustration: I used to be an anarcho-communist. Actually, I started out as someone who was vaguely sympathetic to mainstream libertarianism but could never fully embrace it due to the perceived economic implications. I eventually drifted to social anarchism thanks to someone who’s name I won’t mention, because it’s too embarrassing. After hanging around them for a while I realized that, for all their pretenses, most of them were really just state-socialists who wanted to abolish the State by making it smaller and calling it something else. After about a year of hanging around Libcom and the livejournal anarchist community, I encountered people who, under the aegis of “community self-management”, supported - smoking and alcohol bans - bans on currently illicit drugs - bans on caffeinated substances (all drugs are really just preventing you from dealing with problems, you see) - censorship of pornography (on feminist grounds) - sexual practices like BDSM (same grounds, no matter the gender of the participants or who was in what role) - bans on prostitution (same grounds) - bans on religion or public religious expression (this included atheist religions like Buddhism, which were the same thing because they were “irrational”) - bans on advertisement (which in this context meant any free speech with a commercial twist) - bans on eating meat - gun control (except for members of the official community-approved militia, which is in no way the same thing as a local police department) - mandatory work assignments (ie slavery) - the blatant statement, in these exact words, that “Anarchism is not individualist” on no less than twelve separate occasions over the course of seven months. Not everybody in those communities actively agreed with them, but nobody got up and seriously disputed it. - that if you don’t like any of these rules, you’re not free to just quit the community, draw a line around your house and choose not to obey while forfeiting any benefits. No, as long as you’re in what they say are the the boundaries (borders?) of “the community”, you’re bound to follow the rules, otherwise you have to move someplace else (“love it or leave it”, as the conservative mantra goes). You’d think for a moment that this conflicts with An-comm property conceptions because they’re effectively exercising power over land that they do not occupy, implying that they own it and making “the community” into One Big Landlord a la Hoppean feudalism So I decided that we really didn’t want the same things, and that what they wanted was really some kind of Maoist concentration commune where we all sit in a circle and publicly harass the people who aren’t conforming hard enough. No thanks, comrade. Of course, it is also true that these “anti-fascist” folks really don’t care about “exclusion,” anyway. As I mentioned, many of them are Communists, state-socialists, and social democrats, and even the anarchist contingent among them seems to be little more than dupes and useful idiots. What they are really concerned about is “exclusion” on politically incorrect grounds, while insisting on retaining the right to “exclude” whomever or whatever they want for themselves. Therefore, an Anarcho-Marxist Politically Correct Commune=Good, Conservative Religious White Folks Enclave=Horrible, and People of Color Racial Separatist Community=Understandable Because History Except That Ikcy Homophobia Part. However, much of this “debate” is for naught. While it is certainly true that some people might prefer to live in ethnically, racially, religiously, politically, sexually, etc. exclusionary communities given the freedom of choice to do so, the meta-politics of a civilization organized on the principle of free association (i.e. anarchism) would come much closer to resembling the Mr. Spockian ideal of “infinite diversity in infinite combinations” than, for example, the Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, Orania, or Kiryas Joel. A better model might be to review the endless array of culturally, religiously, ethnically, professionally, academically, occupationally, or politically themed organizations that are listed in the Yellow Pages of any major city, or the list of organizations found on the campus of a large university. No doubt the “anti-fascists” regard themselves as heroic freedom fighters, and as regular Sophie Scholls who deserve a pat on the back for doing their part to prevent the next wave of genocides (all the while including hammer and sicklers in their ranks). Fortunately, they are as politically irrelevant as their neo-Nazi tribal enemies. [end of very long partial quote by Keith Preston, quoting others as well.] I believe that I agree wholeheartedly with the above commentary. Jim Bell
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 12/17/18 10:28 PM, jim bell wrote: > On Sunday, December 16, 2018, 1:48:02 PM PST, furrier > <furrier@protonmail.ch> wrote: > > >> These guys are a joke, trying to capitilize on anarchy to push >> forward their own agentas. I am disgusted. > > I understand what you are saying. Despite the fact that I have > called myself an anarchist (libertarian-anarchist) since 1995, I > have noticed with dismay that a lot of people who call themselves > "anarchists" (and a lot of people who are called "anarchists") are > actually just big-government-loving socialists, embarrassed at the > failures of socialism. For a comment that's better than I'd take > the time to write, see: > https://attackthesystem.com/2017/12/19/free-association-is-not-fascism - -how-many-times-does-it-have-to-be-said/ > Jim Bell > > A partial quote by Keith Preston, which also quotes others > inside:[partial quote begins] > > Another claim is that anarchist communities and associations must > be “inclusive.” Of course, anyone who has spen time around the > general anarchist milieu knows how exclusionary anarchists actually > are. I generally like to cite this comment made by a former an-com > some years ago as an illustration: > > > I used to be an anarcho-communist. Actually, I started out as > someone who was vaguely sympathetic to mainstream libertarianism > but could never fully embrace it due to the perceived economic > implications. I eventually drifted to social anarchism thanks to > someone who’s name I won’t mention, because it’s too embarrassing. > > After hanging around them for a while I realized that, for all > their pretenses, most of them were really just state-socialists who > wanted to abolish the State by making it smaller and calling it > something else. After about a year of hanging around Libcom and the > livejournal anarchist community, I encountered people who, under > the aegis of “community self-management”, supported > > - smoking and alcohol bans - bans on currently illicit drugs - bans > on caffeinated substances (all drugs are really just preventing you > from dealing with problems, you see) - censorship of pornography > (on feminist grounds) - sexual practices like BDSM (same grounds, > no matter the gender of the participants or who was in what role) - > bans on prostitution (same grounds) - bans on religion or public > religious expression (this included atheist religions like > Buddhism, which were the same thing because they were > “irrational”) - bans on advertisement (which in this context meant > any free speech with a commercial twist) - bans on eating meat - > gun control (except for members of the official community-approved > militia, which is in no way the same thing as a local police > department) - mandatory work assignments (ie slavery) - the blatant > statement, in these exact words, that “Anarchism is not > individualist” on no less than twelve separate occasions over the > course of seven months. Not everybody in those communities actively > agreed with them, but nobody got up and seriously disputed it. - > that if you don’t like any of these rules, you’re not free to just > quit the community, draw a line around your house and choose not to > obey while forfeiting any benefits. No, as long as you’re in what > they say are the the boundaries (borders?) of “the community”, > you’re bound to follow the rules, otherwise you have to move > someplace else (“love it or leave it”, as the conservative mantra > goes). You’d think for a moment that this conflicts with An-comm > property conceptions because they’re effectively exercising power > over land that they do not occupy, implying that they own it and > making “the community” into One Big Landlord a la Hoppean feudalism > > > So I decided that we really didn’t want the same things, and that > what they wanted was really some kind of Maoist concentration > commune where we all sit in a circle and publicly harass the people > who aren’t conforming hard enough. No thanks, comrade. > > > Of course, it is also true that these “anti-fascist” folks really > don’t care about “exclusion,” anyway. As I mentioned, many of them > are Communists, state-socialists, and social democrats, and even > the anarchist contingent among them seems to be little more than > dupes and useful idiots. What they are really concerned about is > “exclusion” on politically incorrect grounds, while insisting on > retaining the right to “exclude” whomever or whatever they want for > themselves. Therefore, an Anarcho-Marxist Politically Correct > Commune=Good, Conservative Religious White Folks Enclave=Horrible, > and People of Color Racial Separatist Community=Understandable > Because History Except That Ikcy Homophobia Part. > > However, much of this “debate” is for naught. While it is certainly > true that some people might prefer to live in ethnically, racially, > religiously, politically, sexually, etc. exclusionary communities > given the freedom of choice to do so, the meta-politics of a > civilization organized on the principle of free association (i.e. > anarchism) would come much closer to resembling the Mr. Spockian > ideal of “infinite diversity in infinite combinations” than, for > example, the Nuwaubian Nation of Moors, Orania, or Kiryas Joel. A > better model might be to review the endless array of culturally, > religiously, ethnically, professionally, academically, > occupationally, or politically themed organizations that are listed > in the Yellow Pages of any major city, or the list of organizations > found on the campus of a large university. No doubt the > “anti-fascists” regard themselves as heroic freedom fighters, and > as regular Sophie Scholls who deserve a pat on the back for doing > their part to prevent the next wave of genocides (all the while > including hammer and sicklers in their ranks). Fortunately, they > are as politically irrelevant as their neo-Nazi tribal enemies. > [end of very long partial quote by Keith Preston, quoting others as > well.] I believe that I agree wholeheartedly with the above > commentary. Jim Bell > > > > > > > > Keith Preston is not the best person to quote when discussing anarchism. Honestly i don't know ANY anarchists in my circle that support that awful list of authoritarian practices, though i have to say that there is a bit of truth in the accusation that the anarchist community can be exclusionary. - -- Marina -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQGcBAEBCAAGBQJcGnz/AAoJEPn/Y5FXPbRCdsMMAJDhCDjxQeEEec8co/rI9et5 695ZO9XBbTeRoNpqQJWENP+Dw0baAIdWohTSxvV3SHeJlwRj5/LVTJ/fODL6Gvj/ tHUyoQdfbcGzGPsCzCRfGSb75nJPryH2H8KBjEdkVxb+ky/VA0uz9ZJHCdirM8I+ lSM4DjdqLFJ+PHnEH8z+pmAnBOGPzUWbQHzMbA3SCAJeaQO2Q8nOrTyp7paxC24A oBORCMNuCfpstf9GCWlbdnkdYpkjCXTNhISkAe5U0yNpfdXHenw+17jbIWlebP7V ZwKDPoi9GNAu7U66S/MqSifjq1CicptDezcgBWBgDdicq9tjP62A94cuzZc0LQoj 53Kl9uLttnXznoq5UsRnlpkZDkf9SdK3x6/LuD3ie4eQi14fearIp7ySWZQlJ+Fw pqzbig1cBEYR3aS717ykNDvkc7Tjd5f061pPXsPddCEjb3Kchptmxsg/Eax86iYj F3iM8gAtDmJbsAX1hhC3Ao6KQ1bQ0b6/SbNhQa4Jzw== =iTh1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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furrier
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grarpamp
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jim bell
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John Newman
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juan
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Marina Brown