Dnia wtorek, 5 listopada 2013 12:50:11 Alexey Zakhlestin pisze:

On 03 нояб. 2013 г., at 21:34, grarpamp wrote:

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A few links...

http://neo900.org/ http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/ https://jolla.com/ http://www.fairphone.com/ http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/11/02/1637236/openphoenux-neo900-bil ls-itself-as-successor-to-nokias-n900

More interesting platforms for even Guardian or other OS than any Nexus 5 or alike hardware, no? https://guardianproject.info/hardware/ http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/root_friendly http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Devices

GSM firmware is still not open-source though (as that would make phone not suitable for legal usage in USA)

Once again I stand firm in my conviction that USA should be excused from the Internet until they get their legislative shit together. Also, I'd *love* a phone with a FLOSS GSM firmware, *especially* if it makes it illegal in USA. Wonder if there's a way of making that happen. -- Pozdr rysiek

On 06.11.13, 12:59, rysiek wrote:

Dnia wtorek, 5 listopada 2013 12:50:11 Alexey Zakhlestin pisze:

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GSM firmware is still not open-source though (as that would make phone not suitable for legal usage in USA)

Once again I stand firm in my conviction that USA should be excused from the Internet until they get their legislative shit together.

Also, I'd *love* a phone with a FLOSS GSM firmware, *especially* if it makes it illegal in USA. Wonder if there's a way of making that happen.

well… You can use OsmocomBB[1][2] if you have supported hardware[3]. It was an option[4] for OpenMoko, at least [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OsmocomBB [2]: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/ [3]: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/Hardware/Phones [4]: http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/OpenMoko -- Alexey Zakhlestin CTO at Grids.by/you https://github.com/indeyets PGP key: http://indeyets.ru/alexey.zakhlestin.pgp.asc

On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Alexey Zakhlestin wrote:

GSM firmware is still not open-source though (as that would make phone not suitable for legal usage in USA)

I'd like to see a law link that says you cannot legally use your own open source GSM compliant stack to communicate over a GSM network.

On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:32 PM, wrote:

... I lightly consulted with an operator and all he/she could offer was "Does Alexey mean the source to A5?" so I'll have to ask what it is that cannot be legally used in the U.S.? Anybody can implement and then open source any of the GSM standards (other than the crypto) so far as I know.

the FCC/NTIA don't like people using spectrum with unapproved devices. sure, you can code it up. and sure, you can run an SDR in that range. ... but put them together in the wild at useful dBi and you're stepping on toes. try to sell/distribute such a setup? better have it certified! good analysis of the details: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/resources/2007/fcc-sdr-whitepaper.html """ ...the FCC’s ancillary jurisdiction cannot reasonably extend to the development of software by parties uninvolved in the marketing or sale of radio devices... FCC Rules for SDR Device Certification Only Affect Radio Equipment Manufacturers... """

On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 06:32:18PM -0500, dan@geer.org wrote:

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GSM firmware is still not open-source though (as that would make phone not suitable for legal usage in USA)

I lightly consulted with an operator and all he/she could offer was "Does Alexey mean the source to A5?" so I'll have to ask what it is that cannot be legally used in the U.S.? Anybody can implement and then open source any of the GSM standards (other than the crypto) so far as I know.

I believe that there's no law or regulation preventing anyone from writing open source implementations of GSM in the US. However there definitely are regulations preventing the sale or operation of unlicensed intentional emitters, and the FCC definitely cares about the GSM bands. Getting a license for an open source implementation of GSM would likely be a large expense, which AFAIK no open source implementor has even started to try to undertake. There is also federal law prohibiting the sale of equipment which can intercept wireless telephony communications. Many scanners have filters or programming/configuration jumpers which prevent reception of the specific frequencies covered by the law. Depending on the reading and the zealousness of the prosecutor, such a law might be seen to be relevant to an open source GSM platform. -andy