well one of the problems is they dont know as much as you do we try not to berate the others for their work - yes 'reformists' suck but at least they are not sitting on their potato asses maybe you can post something on cryptome to wake them up those boingos :::::: tweet it at them after you post it so the community can see the criticism - maybe it can spark a debate and some knowledge can b had Cari Machet NYC 646-436-7795 carimachet@gmail.com AIM carismachet Syria +963-099 277 3243 Amman +962 077 636 9407 Berlin +49 152 11779219 Twitter: @carimachet https://twitter.com/carimachet Ruh-roh, this is now necessary: This email is intended only for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use of this information, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this email without permission is strictly prohibited. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:34 PM, John Young wrote:

If courageous, Rivest, Shamir and Adelson can be burnt in effigy.

Their initials once were rightly world famous, and to smear these distinguished gentlemen by vulgar opportunistic protest instigated by noobs with less than zero comprehension of cryptography should be condemned not debated.

James Bidzos raped the three once, twice, thrice, then hid his corporatorizing crime under skirts of EMC. Don't ravage his victims.

Protest, sure, but demonstrate what to protest for effectiveness, not idiotic sloganeering of a logo. Hell, long-time duplicitous IBM deserves deeper anger than RSA. DES and much more.

Go big and really bold. Protest the Waasenaar Arrangement, the greatest rigging of the dual-use technology market ever, and the world's greatest gang of cheaters, bribers, underhanded dealers of contraband, most of it lethal, far deadlier than crypto.

Greenwald blogs there are cryptographers and comsec experts reviewing Snowden's material for future releases. Presumably the highly ethical reviewers have a clear shot at avoiding release of their own names and firms. They will cheat, that's certain.