News of unnecessary controversies... It's always been known that Monero is somewhat infested with Maxi / Fanboi / Troll -ism, much like Bitcoin and others, all part and parcel in any competitive environment really, so long as recognized as such. Aspire to be grownups instead, for the benefit of crypto adoption. However these threats in the news are completely inexcusable and must be publicly denounced and rejected by the entire crypto community. In further response, HavenoDEX and or some new DEX's should be funded researched developed and deployed independently away from any particular coin's influence, re Monero in relation here but applies to any coin, up to and including forking if necessary. Zcash needs to be be added back into to HavenoDEX. Zcash needs to free up any of its licensing issues. DEX technologies, mixes, darknet exchanges, etc need to be coin agnostic and must be allowed to freely and independently develop and flourish as such for the betterment, adoption, advancement, and free exchange of the entire crypto space, including the much needed push now towards privacy-enabled coins and technologies. Non-free licenses are an abhorrence, an insult to the ethos of, and an unnecessary restriction upon the free adoption of crypto worldwide. Fiat is effictively not free, licensed, and enforced by horrible threats... no one wants that, so don't be a Fiat, be free instead. Free ideas, free markets, and freedom of cryptocurrency. Regardless of whatever coins and coinspace think of any competing coins, these types of threats are dispicable and must not be tolerated. And you can also bet that a lot of the noise in coinspace is manufactured FUD and incitement coming from agents of the legacy GovBank space working to kill cryptocurrency and cryptoprivacy as a whole. Recognize their trolling and don't fall for it. https://haveno.exchange/2022/04/29/haveno-zcash.html https://haveno.exchange/faq/#what-currencies-will-be-listed https://twitter.com/HavenoDEX/status/1518121318096461825 https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/uaqx9u/haveno_funded_by_the_monero_... https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ueztya/haveno_removing_zcash_is_goo... https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ub63s1/let_this_haveno_zcash_listin... https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/uei3zs/new_haveno_statement_regardi... https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/uaxpqq/another_take_on_the_haveno_z... https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/u9afub/i_lost_trust_in_the_haveno_p... https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/uek80n/havenos_statement_ab... https://twitter.com/zooko/status/1519384914080149504 https://localmonero.co/the-monero-standard/weekly/10 https://github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/issues/248 https://t.me/HavenoDEX https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/svcwrv/the_improved_structure_of_ha... https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/tsufk2/ccs_haveno_dex_now_available... https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/tg6y5i/ccs_proposal_haveno_ui_fundi... Other DEX mentioned... https://github.com/blocknetdx https://github.com/bisq-network DEX are needed that can handle many coins, not just coins that ride on one particular coin platform. Coins should be designed so they can easily plug into the coming coin and coin-platform agnostic DEX world. Statement about the recent concerns about Haveno listing Zcash Haveno Core Team | 29 Apr 2022 Recently, we announced our intention to list Zcash among the first assets available to trade with Monero on Haveno. This sparked some valid criticism, but also baseless accusations, like claims of the Haveno Core Team receiving money in exchange for the listing. This reached a level not expected with serious threats made against the Haveno Core Team. The Haveno Core Team does not request or accept listing fees. We reject these claims entirely. Why did we decide to list Zcash? Zcash is already supported by Bisq, so supporting it on Haveno is quick and trivial. Zcash does provide strong privacy when used with fully shielded transactions, and as a privacy focused platform, we want to incentivize the use of privacy technologies, the correct way. That’s why we decided to list Zcash, but shielded (private) addresses only (See the open issue). We also see value in giving the possibility to Zcash users to trade with Monero users privately and in a decentralized way. With that said, we believe Monero is the best tool to facilitate private trade, which is why it’s the base pair of every traded asset. What now? We decided to not include Zcash in the list of the currencies that will be supported at launch. We don’t consider it a priority and we think we have already consumed enough resources on this issue. As FOSS developers, we are also concerned by Zooko’s recent statements about the licensing of their technology. That said, work proceeds as usual and development can be followed on Github: github.com/haveno-dex/. https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ueztya/haveno_removing_zcash_is_goo... The threats came from a Monero community member that has along history of harassment of Monero contributors. He is known for creating fake accounts, used to spam Monero and Haveno chatrooms. He is also currently banned from most Monero channels. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to post a screenshot of the threats publicly. https://twitter.com/jswihart/status/1519175104701235200 https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ud8xzj/zcash_employee_josh_swihart_... and not a word from the mods, while antisemitic comments have been up for 11 hours: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ud8xzj/zcash_employee_josh_swihart_... Coin specific, but dead on regarding all coins and coinspace... https://old.reddit.com/r/PirateChain/comments/uf5h7m/stupidity_opportunity_f... Oh, the stupidity runs deep... ...The crypto community has two viable privacy assets with volume and exchange support that would put them out of startup risk territory. And all they do is fight with each other, working against their best interests. Haveno devs listened to the vocal morons, and cut a major artery that would feed XMR blood. Bad news for XMR holders (and they celebrate). ...oh the stupidity runs deep... The privacy space is begging for a startup to take the lead over XMR and ZEC...who will it be? If ARRR wants to be that asset, they can't be as stupid. ARRR team please don't be stupid. Give the free market as may atomic swap and DEX pipes to ARRR as possible. And if you're really strategic, please streamline CEX->DEX arbitrage right in the wallet. ARRR lives or dies on the arteries that feed it. XMR just cut a major artery. Don't make the same mistake.