On 12/29/2016 12:59 AM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 03:43:17AM -0500, grarpamp wrote: ...snip...

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Do not go to the US, anyplace but the US, its govt and corp and shit all gone fucked up and isn't worth it. Seriously. You could list links on every day for a year and still not run out of examples of them intentionally fucking up shit. Here is one more link: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/23/virgin_america_flight_samsung_note_7...

Virgin America mid-flight panic after moron sets phone Wi-Fi hotspot to 'Samsung Galaxy Note 7'

As I get it, this model is banned on planes because of the risk the battery to go on fire.

HAHAHAHA! The lithium batteries built into the fucking planes do that! See this "Friends don’t let friends fly in plastic airplanes.” http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/56481532633 Just in case you were wondering what happened to that airplane which vanished into the Indian Ocean. Rr

On 12/29/2016 11:01 AM, grarpamp wrote:

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Razer wrote:

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/12/23/virgin_america_flight_samsung_note_7... http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/56481532633 It's ambiguous whether they simply forgot their offsite gag and carried it onboard having not been advised by staff (companies always follow spokesman policy right), or intentionally set it to carry out an onboard gag. A moron regardless.

Further... the typical position and strength of any consumer lithium battery 'explosion' relative to any structure, sheeting, or wiring critical to the planes survival... seems not really a threat. Nor is any properly managed cabin fire from such a relatively localized source, the materials in cabin are retardant / resistant to burning, more smoke than fire.

The real threat is the panicking morons on the plane.

Not necessarily terminal mechanical damage to the craft... Toxic smoke. Lethal toxic smoke was filling the craft so the pilot, doing what he was trained to do, pointed it towards somewhere he was pretty sure there wouldn't be anyone or thing on the ground destroyed, and they all suffocated. That's the speculation of commercial pilots on their bbs's at the time. The crash climb and dive recorded by radar was an attempt to put out the fire. The complete power shutoff is SOP when there's an electrical fire. You might consider reading the article if you haven't. It's also applicable to what happens when military-industrial complex design strategies are applied to computers and networks. Rr

On 12/29/2016 11:51 AM, grarpamp wrote:

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Razer wrote:

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Not necessarily terminal mechanical damage to the craft... Toxic smoke. Flame retardant materials often smoke considerably.

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You might consider reading the article if you haven't. This overall article, not the dreamliner battery recall articles. http://harpers.org/blog/2013/07/boeings-plastic-planes/

Right sorry about the lack of specificity...

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trained to do, pointed it towards somewhere he was pretty sure there wouldn't be anyone or thing on the ground destroyed, and they all suffocated. This one appears to have been empty.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/12/news/companies/boeing-dreamliner-fire/index....

CNN, go figure. Boeing is most likely a major advertiser. The airlines who use their planes certainly are.

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The crash climb and dive recorded by radar was an attempt to put out the fire. The complete power shutoff is SOP when there's an electrical fire. You meaning the Malaysion Indian Ocean article.

Yes.

The Earth is closed system thus, pushed to the limits, inexpensive has costs, govt, corps and demand often fuck that equation up and planes crash.

For a while there was a rash of tire blowouts on landing by commercial airliners... An end result of pushing those tire's usage to the maximum number of takoffs and landings they're rated for, so the airlines could offer $39 dollar fares NY > DC etc. Capitalism. Any questions? The rubes want cheap airfare and get a 'carnival thrill ride' with potentially deadly consequences instead. Rr

Should have read: News: USA is composed of people. The people have been turned into domesticated animals farmed for GDP. Tread carefully, as they are often psychotically maladapted to their condition. Cheers, \0x On 12/31/16, Georgi Guninski wrote:

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 02:01:23PM -0500, grarpamp wrote:

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The real threat is the panicking morons on the plane.

Possibly this could be threat. I think it is rather harsh to call such passengers "morons". Passengers are just users of the service. They need not know that LION batteries are essentially harmless while ELEPHANT batteries can do damage. Such technical details are responsibility of ground control and the plane crew IMHO.

Is it illegal yet to call your hotspot whatever you like? (In cases like this it is clearly dumb to do so).