Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/
On Aug 31, 2016 4:46 AM, "grarpamp" <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8/30/16, Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
There are several pics of his orgies if you know where to search
Serious thread is serious, needs more sexylovetime to defuse... http://flatrock.org.nz/static/frontpage/large_putin_and_pals.jpg
Grarpamp, your delicious pervie... After this ménage, would you like to see Putin riding a bear? See how the bear is horny... You know, Putin has a BIG gun and he is always ready to use it, hehe... ;) https://handaddy.wordpress.com/2015/02/05/vladimir-putin-has-aspergers
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
Putin riding a bear?
Yah, Putin make all US president during Putin time look like girlie men... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8z4aeCppmu-xy6ZL3vSuyQ Yah, excuse me now, I go talk Alex about handing out more BIG box of t-shirts to Russian outdoor faire goers, and think about it later ;)
On 09/02/2016 01:42 AM, grarpamp wrote:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
Putin riding a bear?
Yah, Putin make all US president during Putin time look like girlie men... https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8z4aeCppmu-xy6ZL3vSuyQ
OK, "girlie men". I can't resist ;) https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t3D4VVs7dbM/Uh7ydNAWrGI/AAAAAAAAO3w/XbiPTv5nG78/s...
Yah, excuse me now, I go talk Alex about handing out more BIG box of t-shirts to Russian outdoor faire goers, and think about it later ;)
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t3D4VVs7dbM/Uh7ydNAWrGI/AAAAAAAAO3w/XbiPTv5nG78/s...
That's hawt. Too bad the politik seize banned it and scared the artist off to asylum in France.
On 09/02/2016 02:32 AM, grarpamp wrote:
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 4:16 AM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t3D4VVs7dbM/Uh7ydNAWrGI/AAAAAAAAO3w/XbiPTv5nG78/s...
That's hawt. Too bad the politik seize banned it and scared the artist off to asylum in France.
Yeah, I was going to make a point of that. You can find much worse about Obama, for example, on sites hosted in the US. Just sayin' ;)
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 4:42 AM, Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
You can find much worse about Obama, for example, on sites hosted in the US. Just sayin' ;)
Like how he's a muslim and did wtc along with skull and bones bilderberg etc to bring in the nwo... some shit like that.... https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=new+world+order The US doesn't seize that, they database it, amplify, doctor, pimp and farm it out, happily skewer you later for lols, and kebab.
Am I the only pervert that reads that thread where Razer and Juan are discussing passionately and thinks about hardcore sex and/or The Globe of Death? Ahahaha!!! ;D -- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
On 09/02/2016 08:37 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
Am I the only pervert that reads that thread where Razer and Juan are discussing passionately and thinks about hardcore sex and/or The Globe of Death? Ahahaha!!! ;D
Hey, Juan is just the top troll here. Even if he honestly doesn't realize it. And it's hard to resist arguing with skillful trolls.
-- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
On 09/02/2016 08:23 PM, Mirimir wrote:
On 09/02/2016 08:37 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
Am I the only pervert that reads that thread where Razer and Juan are discussing passionately and thinks about hardcore sex and/or The Globe of Death? Ahahaha!!! ;D
Hey, Juan is just the top troll here. Even if he honestly doesn't realize it. And it's hard to resist arguing with skillful trolls.
I'm not vying for the job...
-- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 08:54:48PM -0700, Razer wrote:
On 09/02/2016 08:23 PM, Mirimir wrote:
Hey, Juan is just the top troll here. Even if he honestly doesn't realize it. And it's hard to resist arguing with skillful trolls.
I'm not vying for the job...
Sometimes, it is said that the less said the better. You know, "silence is golden" and all that?
On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 09:23:58PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
Hey, Juan is just the top troll here. Even if he honestly doesn't realize it. And it's hard to resist arguing with skillful trolls.
Two humans regularly publicly and skillfully (or otherwise) abusing each other with words, I guess can be named trolling. At least, that part of the "conversation". As entertaining as some might find it .. :) Is that "conversation" which sidetracks debate on political philosophy with straw men, fascist statism dressed up as 'collective self responsibility' and outright misunderstanding (to be generous) or misconstruing (to be less generous) of terms used (such as 'individual sovereignty) using false dichotomies and raising of irrelevancies, could this type of "communication" be considered a more significant, perhaps even more sinister, type of trolling? Just wondering...
On 09/02/2016 10:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 09:23:58PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
Hey, Juan is just the top troll here. Even if he honestly doesn't realize it. And it's hard to resist arguing with skillful trolls.
Two humans regularly publicly and skillfully (or otherwise) abusing each other with words, I guess can be named trolling. At least, that part of the "conversation". As entertaining as some might find it .. :)
No, that's just arguing. What distinguishes trolling is picking fights to disrupt a community. Juan, for example, is very clever, and skilled at rhetoric. He consistently dances away, turning the argument away from any possible resolution.
Is that "conversation" which sidetracks debate on political philosophy with straw men, fascist statism dressed up as 'collective self responsibility' and outright misunderstanding (to be generous) or misconstruing (to be less generous) of terms used (such as 'individual sovereignty) using false dichotomies and raising of irrelevancies, could this type of "communication" be considered a more significant, perhaps even more sinister, type of trolling?
Well, trolling does tend to generate counter trolling ;)
Just wondering...
;)
On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 22:41:35 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
No, that's just arguing. What distinguishes trolling is picking fights to disrupt a community.
What 'community' are you talking about? Your community of state parasites who get money from the department of war to promote fake anonimity networks? Or are you saying that this list is a 'community'? Dude, this is a mailing list.
Juan, for example, is very clever, and skilled at rhetoric. He consistently dances away, turning the argument away from any possible resolution.
You are not a very skillful troll. Are you claiming with a straight face that I don't argue my points in a honest way? That I actually avoid replying to the bullshit people like you say? Please.
Is that "conversation" which sidetracks debate on political philosophy with straw men, fascist statism dressed up as 'collective self responsibility' and outright misunderstanding (to be generous) or misconstruing (to be less generous) of terms used (such as 'individual sovereignty) using false dichotomies and raising of irrelevancies, could this type of "communication" be considered a more significant, perhaps even more sinister, type of trolling?
Well, trolling does tend to generate counter trolling ;)
Just wondering...
;)
On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 02:08:48AM -0300, juan wrote:
On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 22:41:35 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
No, that's just arguing. What distinguishes trolling is picking fights to disrupt a community.
What 'community' are you talking about? Your community of state parasites who get money from the department of war to promote fake anonimity networks?
The skillful part is using just enough colorful language combined with semi-personal attacks, to cause your 'opponents' to highlight their nationalist or other beliefs. In and of itself, that is very useful. It is good that folks are encouraged to not hold back in expressing who they are. There is a flip side though perhaps: once an individual has expressed vehemence on a particular view, and also demonstrated abundantly that they are unable to refrain from personal "defence", then the conversation has stagnated - often enough entertaining, yes, but no real progress is made, and when folks are expressing defensively, they are less likely to shift ground "cars ARE evil! We MUST have documentation PAPERS PLEASE to PROVE you are a COMPETENT driver! This is the ONLY WAY!!!" That's just self defeating emphatic-ness and more entrenchment of positions which are (perhaps?) not particularly useful to any of us in the medium to longer term? Damn funny to watch though ... :D But sadly, not useful. Not useful at all. ??
Or are you saying that this list is a 'community'? Dude, this is a mailing list.
In this modern world, folks find a sense of community all over the place. Juan, you're an intelligent man indeed. Humans have "basic needs" and one of those is acknowledgement from ones peers. Yes yes yes, rising above such petty trivialities as acknowledgement, fairness and "emotional fuzzy wuzzy hippy warmth" is a worthy goal, but evidently challenging for many who as we know too well, are so "schooled" in Western think, superficiality, defense of ego / self, etc etc etc.
Juan, for example, is very clever, and skilled at rhetoric. He consistently dances away, turning the argument away from any possible resolution.
Mirimir, I actually disagree with this. Juan is nothing if not consistent and persistent in his anarchism (and anti-state) position. Example: - Rayzer implicitly defended state issued driver licenses with the consequent implied state enforcement (implicitly Rayzer, don't get worked up on this please) - Juan, consequently, names Rayzer as fascist (in subtley more colourful language). - instead of handling the issue/ the "ball" of the argument in the conversation, Rayzer leaps into the name calling, and it goes back and forth and Goergi so elquently put it :) But guys: bloody hell! Is this at all useful! Juan, you've successfully highlighted Rayzer's emotional weak point - most Westerners (including me still in some ways, and me pretty heavily up until recent times!) are terminally insecure and fall instantly into self defence when "attackeed", missing the damn point! Is this useful (to keep repeating) ? ? ?
You are not a very skillful troll. Are you claiming with a straight face that I don't argue my points in a honest way?
That I actually avoid replying to the bullshit people like you say? Please.
This list would be almost dead if you were not here :) I'm still too "Western schooling pussy whipped" to challenge folks properly much of the time... Mirimir, without challenging one another, there can be no shift! Again: what's useful ?
This thread is about one of the ugliest smear campaigns ever against a Honest Man. Against Jake Appelbaum. On this thread people with Heart & Soul tried to defend this Man's Reputation. Man's Life. And what have you done from this thread? A? Your fucken childish games. bla bla bla & ha ha ha. and more bla bla bla & ha ha ha. and more bla bla bla & ha ha ha. *It's not funny, fuckers.* Go & make your childish pseudo punky ha-ha-ha on other thread! Rhetoric question: Don't you have some kind of Respect to anything in this life? A? A_NY_THI_NG? *Nope.* we are "anarchists/punks/whatever". we do what we waaaaaant. This is how behave True Anarchists? True Punks? No. You are just clowns. Hollow people with no principles. bla bla bla & ha ha ha - that's what you are.
On 09/02/2016 11:56 PM, Александр wrote:
This thread is about one of the ugliest smear campaigns ever against a Honest Man. Against Jake Appelbaum. On this thread people with Heart & Soul tried to defend this Man's Reputation. Man's Life.
Truth.
And what have you done from this thread? A? Your fucken childish games. bla bla bla & ha ha ha. and more bla bla bla & ha ha ha. and more bla bla bla & ha ha ha. *It's not funny, fuckers.* Go & make your childish pseudo punky ha-ha-ha on other thread!
Yeah. Funny, isn't it :(
Rhetoric question: Don't you have some kind of Respect to anything in this life? A? A_NY_THI_NG? *Nope.* we are "anarchists/punks/whatever". we do what we waaaaaant. This is how behave True Anarchists? True Punks? No. You are just clowns. Hollow people with no principles. bla bla bla & ha ha ha - that's what you are.
I'm with you on that.
This thread has begin as a slander, as a lie of the JA Group to announce and to spread the creation of their site with fake allegations, using own Jacob Appelbaum's name. I love Jake and if you have some doubt about about my loyalty and friendship, please, ask him. :) This thread was something ugly and sad. We are anarchying a slander and using this thread to celebrate our joy, to celebrate the cypherpunks list, a group where Jake always be respected and received as an equal, where he can find friends and supporters. I love Jake and always will love. And fuck who doesn't like it! :) Alex, my love, Let's make a new thread telling good things about Jake since the first message, seeing the life in a not too serious way. This thread is full of shit about Jake and it has begin with a slander. Jake deserves joy, laugh, smiles, tickles, snugglehugs, cupcakes and our love. The JA Group deserves laugh too, but because they are a bad joke. A stupid lynch mob, which used slanders and lies to erase the joy of Jake's life. Jake is alive, is a winner and is very happy all the times when one more lie is finally considered false in public. I miss the happy Jake, laughing, smiling and I want to listen to his laugh in public again, maybe cooking onions with him. ;) His life is still a celebration, because he always had a hard life and is a winner. Who knows how hard his life was, knows he always will be a winner. Jake is someone that I love and I am proud to call "my friend"! Love, Kisses, Laugh & Orgasms for all of you!!! <3 <3 <3 Ceci -- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Alex, in the past, you became my friend because of this ugly thread. The same with Juan. We sent lots of private messages to each other and was amazing a collective work to discover what was happening. I learned to love df, a tor-talk list member, because of this thread. He has a huge heart, very generous. This thread was horrible, a slander, a horrible)lie and now it is an anarchopunk celebration of friendship and sex. Why not? ;) Ah, better avoid the sex thing, because of all the false allegations, of course! Hahaha!!! ;D Because of the JA Group lies, we all discovered how "transparent" and "well structured" is The Tor Project. Congratulations! In the end, that stupid JA Group had some utility to us: - show us a horrible soap opera with bad actors and how the USA government is $ influencing $ the project, choosing leaders and paying its debts! :) -- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Tor, et al, are well described now. Other oppurtunities exist for, or will be made by, those wishing to take them. That's what it's all about :)
On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 03:11:57AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
Tor, et al, are well described now. Other oppurtunities exist for, or will be made by, those wishing to take them. That's what it's all about :)
Fork in JA's name :) I know: JACAPS, Tor with transparency :)
On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 21:23:58 -0600 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 09/02/2016 08:37 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
Am I the only pervert that reads that thread where Razer and Juan are discussing passionately and thinks about hardcore sex and/or The Globe of Death? Ahahaha!!! ;D
Hey, Juan is just the top troll here. Even if he honestly doesn't realize it.
So, the torbot, department of war team sticks together eh mirimir? Hardly surprising.
And it's hard to resist arguing with skillful trolls.
So, I'm a skillful troll? Thanks for the compliment. What about you? What are you?
-- "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
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