As I was saying, Juan ... (Data Overload Edition)
Facing Data Deluge, Secret U.K. Spying Report Warned of Intelligence Failure 97 percent of the calls, messages, and data the program had collected were found to have been “not viewed” by the authorities. "The amount of data being collected, however, proved difficult for MI5 to handle. In March 2010, in another secret report, concerns were reiterated about the agency’s difficulties processing the material it was harvesting. “There is an imbalance between collection and exploitation capabilities, resulting in a failure to make effective use of some of the intelligence collected today,” the report noted. “With the exception of the highest priority investigations, a lack of staff and tools means that investigators are presented with raw and unfiltered DIGINT data. Frequently, this material is not fully assessed because of the significant time required to review it.” The problem was not unique to MI5. Many of the agency’s larger-scale surveillance operations were being conducted in coordination with the National Technical Assistance Centre, a unit of the electronic eavesdropping agency Government Communications Headquarters, better known as GCHQ. The Centre plays a vital but little-known role. One of its main functions is to act as a kind of intermediary, managing the highly sensitive data-sharing relationships that exist among British telecommunications companies and law enforcement and spy agencies. Perhaps the most important program the Centre helps deliver is code-named PRESTON, which covertly intercepts phone calls, text messages, and internet data sent or received by people or organizations in the U.K. who have been named as surveillance targets on warrants signed off by a government minister. A top-secret 2009 study found that, in one six-month period, the PRESTON program had intercepted more than 5 million communications. Remarkably, 97 percent of the calls, messages, and data it had collected were found to have been “not viewed” by the authorities. The authors of the study were alarmed because PRESTON was supposedly focused on known suspects, and yet most of the communications it was monitoring appeared to be getting ignored — meaning crucial intelligence could have been missed. “Only a small proportion of the Preston Traffic is viewed,” they noted. “This is of concern as the collection is all warranted.” In full: https://theintercept.com/2016/06/07/mi5-gchq-digint-surveillance-data-deluge... Again. IF EVERYONE was using Tor, PGP, etc, NO MATTER HOW FLAWED OR COMPROMISED, it WOULD break them, and their respective country's treasury. Promoting the idea we SHOULDN'T use it and 'spread the risk' is a useful idiot's cowardly POV. Rr
On Sat, 11 Jun 2016 11:49:03 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
Facing Data Deluge, Secret U.K. Spying Report Warned of Intelligence Failure
97 percent of the calls, messages, and data the program had collected were found to have been “not viewed” by the authorities.
Of course nothing is 'viewed' by the authorities. Everything is stored and indexed, then they can 'view' whatever they want whenever they want, and track whoever they want. But I understand Rayzer that your job description is to mislead people and give them a false sense of security. That's why you are a tor scammer, and now ebay's sales agent. Tell me Rayzer, how does it feel to be a marxist commie 'anarchist' while promoting american imperialism?
"The amount of data being collected, however, proved difficult for MI5 to handle. In March 2010, in another secret report, concerns were reiterated about the agency’s difficulties processing the material it was harvesting. “There is an imbalance between collection and exploitation capabilities, resulting in a failure to make effective use of some of the intelligence collected today,”
Oh yes. Translation : we want more hardware, and we will get more hardware. Rest of your copypasta garbage from ebay deleted.
Again. IF EVERYONE was using Tor, PGP,
How much do you get paid every time you mention tor?
etc, NO MATTER HOW FLAWED OR COMPROMISED, it WOULD break them,
Where do you get your bullshit theories from? Oh, right, from your boss.
and their respective country's treasury.
Promoting the idea we SHOULDN'T use it and 'spread the risk' is a useful idiot's cowardly POV.
Promoting the use of the pentagon's fake 'anonimity' network is what scumbags like you do.
Rr
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: As I was saying, Juan ... (Data Overload Edition) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 16:22:38 -0300 From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> Rest of your copypasta garbage from ebay deleted. Ok... You want something handcrafted? Let's talk about Orlando. Then tell me I'm a cop, cop. Bringing Home A Thug: The Orlando Night Club Massacre victims were gay perhaps BUT IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT! It’s the end result of “The Politics of a Perpetrator Population” For a start, and for your information, the Wounded Knee Massacre of Natives on this continent was the largest Mass Murder in US history. I wonder how THEY ‘gender-identified’? Unfortunately for the FBI, the nightmare in Orlando isn’t turning out to be the perfect recruiting tool to get LGBTs to practice their newfound 'liberation’ joining them in spying on their own citizens or recruiting in an imperial military, but I suspect there WILL be a rush to join in the slaughter of dark-skinned people in faraway places by the completely ignorant . But let me get to the point here. It’s a point I’ve made repeatedly over the years. What happened in Orlando is the end result of a nation that keeps out ECONOMIC IMMIGRANTS but LOVES to bring home their thugs. ARVN soldiers, who later terrorized their own communities with Military-style home-invasion robberies. The people they victimized in San Jose California were too scared to talk to the police who admitted they couldn’t protect them. Iraq & Afghan interpreters who worked with the CIA and various contractors like Caci (G4s, the shooter’s employer /does interpreting-interrogation work too <http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3F%26q%3Dg4s+interrogation+operations&t=MGMxOTY0ZThiZjk3OTFjYTlhOGU1NDQ4Y2RjMzkxNDgyYWY0MDg4NCxUcHh6UG5TaQ%3D%3D>/!) to 'interpret’ the screams of their tortured fellow citizens for the US intelligence community. Sometimes, a LOT of the time, they even end up the victims of stings by the organizations who paid them to spy on their own communities in the US. Many are… Umn… 'less-than-bright’. I feel ZERO sympathy for them except for the fact/those folks are often literally 'morons <http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http%3A%2F%2Ftremblethedevil.com%2F%3Fp%3D732&t=MDNjZjRmYmRiNTY2N2RjMWM2MGU5MmU2ZDc1MjE2NDdmODYyNmQwZSxUcHh6UG5TaQ%3D%3D>’./ Right now, the Defense Language institute would LOVE to have you visit Monterey California if you’re a Pashtun speaker, or speaker of obscure dialects unique to South and Central Asia. Hell they even have BUS SERVICE developed for those folks to commute from other cities in the area like my town! Then there’s Chechens who fought our dirty terror war against Russia in the 90s and their families. The Tsarnaevs immediately come to mind. Former CIA director/Porter Goss on that dirty war you never heard of <http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/64870829440>/, and for the longest time even the president of the US didn’t know of. Colombian & Guamanian mercs who worked for the Pentagon in Iraq and Afghanistan in return for citizenship status. AM I making my point for you? Stop making this about LGBTs. It’s NOT about LGBT-s! The VICTIMS WERE perhaps Gay-identified, but it’s REALLY THE CHICKENS COMING HOME TO ROOST <http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http%3A%2F%2FThe+Politics+of+a+Perpetrator+Population+&t=NmM3NzJkNWY1OTg2ZDkxNjQzNDAyZjM0YjRjZDI1MTZlZjk1YTVmNyxUcHh6UG5TaQ%3D%3D> folks… YOU ALLOW the thugs to be protected and nurtured but people with drive ambition and the willingness to work hard are rejected… Sent back to their countries often to be tortured and killed… FOR YOUR WAY OF LIFE and the continuation of it … AND IT IS KILLING YOU NOW. It’s the end result of “The Politics of a Perpetrator Population”. You are becoming the victims of your own murderous way of interacting with the rest of the world that you as Americans seem so oblivious to … So oblivious that you’d actually think about electing a warmonger like Bernie Sanders as some sort of alternative. http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/145862418629
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:46:18 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
AM I making my point for you? Stop making this about LGBTs. It’s NOT about LGBT-s!
OK. Let me spell it out for you. Yesterday's false flag attack was obviously about gays. The evil muslamic terrorists hate gays - and gays are a minority that has always been deeply admired in the Western, Judeo-Christian, Democratic Nations. That's why an attack against gays is such an outrage. Hm. Wait. Something's off. Gays have been despised in the jew-kristian cesspools for ages, HOWEVER, somehow, right now it's become politically expedient to pretend to care about gays. So, an attack against gays is just the thing you need if you want more 'progressives' to support your bombing, 'civilizing' efforts against non-american sub-humans.
The VICTIMS WERE perhaps Gay-identified, but it’s REALLY THE CHICKENS COMING HOME TO ROOST <http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http%3A%2F%2FThe+Politics+of+a+Perpetrator+Population+&t=NmM3NzJkNWY1OTg2ZDkxNjQzNDAyZjM0YjRjZDI1MTZlZjk1YTVmNyxUcHh6UG5TaQ%3D%3D> folks… YOU ALLOW the thugs to be protected and nurtured but people with drive ambition and the willingness to work hard are rejected… Sent back to their countries often to be tortured and killed… FOR YOUR WAY OF LIFE and the continuation of it … AND IT IS KILLING YOU NOW. It’s the end result of “The Politics of a Perpetrator Population”.
On 06/13/2016 11:29 AM, juan wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2016 09:46:18 -0700 Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
AM I making my point for you? Stop making this about LGBTs. It’s NOT about LGBT-s!
OK. Let me spell it out for you. Yesterday's false flag attack was obviously about gays.
Yah... It's about LGBT. Turns out the guy was a regular at the club and had a 'gay dating app' on his phone. Either he was a jilted lover with a bone to pick or the Orlando PD should be reviewing their cold cases for a potential 'gay lover serial killer' who snapped and decided to kill a bunch in one burst. Ps The police had a standoff with him before he was dead. Wonder how many clubbers the cops killed. Rr
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 09:46:18AM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> ... AM I making my point for you? Stop making this about LGBTs. It’s NOT about LGBT-s!
The VICTIMS WERE perhaps Gay-identified, but it’s REALLY THE CHICKENS COMING HOME TO ROOST <http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http%3A%2F%2FThe+Politics+of+a+Perpetrator+Population+&t=NmM3NzJkNWY1OTg2ZDkxNjQzNDAyZjM0YjRjZDI1MTZlZjk1YTVmNyxUcHh6UG5TaQ%3D%3D> folks… YOU ALLOW the thugs to be protected and nurtured but people with drive ambition and the willingness to work hard are rejected… Sent back to their countries often to be tortured and killed… FOR YOUR WAY OF LIFE and the continuation of it … AND IT IS KILLING YOU NOW. It’s the end result of “The Politics of a Perpetrator Population”.
You are becoming the victims of your own murderous way of interacting with the rest of the world that you as Americans seem so oblivious to … So oblivious that you’d actually think about electing a warmonger like Bernie Sanders as some sort of alternative.
This (including the deleted bits) is one of the clearest and well laid out posts I've seen in a long time. Thank you Juan, and thank you Rayzer for posting. And for me personally, not being American and seeing Bernie Sanders be largely ignored by the MSM despite much larger rally turnouts than Clinton, I assumed he was not a war monger/ MIC man, so this hint that he's a war monger is important. Leads to lots of interesting "who's conspiring in what ways" thoughts...
On Jun 13, 2016 9:39 PM, "Zenaan Harkness" <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 09:46:18AM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> ...
This (including the deleted bits) is one of the clearest and well laid
out posts I've seen in a long time. Thank you Juan, and thank you Rayzer for posting. [OT] Err... Zen, I know that Rayzer and Juan will kick me after I say it in public, but all the times when Rayzer and Juan begins this kind of discussion, I swear that I remember this old song lyrics: http://youtu.be/CtPeknt0mBA I never know if it is love or hate... :-/ On Jun 13, 2016 9:39 PM, "Zenaan Harkness" <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 09:46:18AM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> ... AM I making my point for you? Stop making this about LGBTs. It’s NOT about LGBT-s!
The VICTIMS WERE perhaps Gay-identified, but it’s REALLY THE CHICKENS COMING HOME TO ROOST < http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http%3A%2F%2FThe+Politics+of+a+Perpetrator+Population+&t=NmM3NzJkNWY1OTg2ZDkxNjQzNDAyZjM0YjRjZDI1MTZlZjk1YTVmNyxUcHh6UG5TaQ%3D%3D
folks… YOU ALLOW the thugs to be protected and nurtured but people with drive ambition and the willingness to work hard are rejected… Sent back to their countries often to be tortured and killed… FOR YOUR WAY OF LIFE and the continuation of it … AND IT IS KILLING YOU NOW. It’s the end result of “The Politics of a Perpetrator Population”.
You are becoming the victims of your own murderous way of interacting with the rest of the world that you as Americans seem so oblivious to … So oblivious that you’d actually think about electing a warmonger like Bernie Sanders as some sort of alternative.
This (including the deleted bits) is one of the clearest and well laid out posts I've seen in a long time. Thank you Juan, and thank you Rayzer for posting.
And for me personally, not being American and seeing Bernie Sanders be largely ignored by the MSM despite much larger rally turnouts than Clinton, I assumed he was not a war monger/ MIC man, so this hint that he's a war monger is important. Leads to lots of interesting "who's conspiring in what ways" thoughts...
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:03:58PM -0300, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
On Jun 13, 2016 9:39 PM, "Zenaan Harkness" <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 09:46:18AM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com> ...
This (including the deleted bits) is one of the clearest and well laid
out posts I've seen in a long time. Thank you Juan, and thank you Rayzer for posting.
[OT] Err... Zen, I know that Rayzer and Juan will kick me after I say it in public, but all the times when Rayzer and Juan begins this kind of discussion, I swear that I remember this old song lyrics:
I never know if it is love or hate... :-/
:D Yeah! Gettin' jiggy wid it! Round these parts, it's love, all love. A scathing ad hom, an argument destroyed - may look like antagonism, but don't be deceived dear CPers. Behind the powerful rebukes, the unrelenting personal criticism, the "ARE YOU FIRETRUCKING KIDDING ME?"s, lies a deep appreciation for one another.
On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 09:46:18AM -0700, Rayzer wrote:
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: As I was saying, Juan ... (Data Overload Edition) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 16:22:38 -0300 From: juan <juan.g71@gmail.com>
AM I making my point for you? Stop making this about LGBTs. It’s NOT about LGBT-s!
The VICTIMS WERE perhaps Gay-identified, but it’s REALLY THE CHICKENS COMING HOME TO ROOST <http://t.umblr.com/redirect?z=http%3A%2F%2FThe+Politics+of+a+Perpetrator+Population+&t=NmM3NzJkNWY1OTg2ZDkxNjQzNDAyZjM0YjRjZDI1MTZlZjk1YTVmNyxUcHh6UG5TaQ%3D%3D> folks… YOU ALLOW the thugs to be protected and nurtured but people with drive ambition and the willingness to work hard are rejected… Sent back to their countries often to be tortured and killed… FOR YOUR WAY OF LIFE and the continuation of it … AND IT IS KILLING YOU NOW. It’s the end result of “The Politics of a Perpetrator Population”.
Just in: Why Westerners Are Never Told Why They’re Attacked http://theduran.com/westerners-never-told-theyre-attacked/
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