On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:17:25AM +0100, rysiek wrote:

Dnia czwartek, 13 listopada 2014 09:52:35 Eugen Leitl pisze:

...

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/lantern-one-device-free-data-from-space-f... [snip] Lantern continuously receives radio waves broadcast by Outernet from space.

...

device. All you need is a browser.

Oh, and Outernet is free to use, always.

Outernet, at least, appears to be a real thing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outernet https://www.outernet.is

Is it just me, or does it reek of snakeoil?.. Also, is it in any way related to: https://getlantern.org/

Appears to be a different project. -andy

It's "censorship-free" in the sense that a nation-state can't effectively block their citizens from using Lantern. So, it's a censorship-free centralized distribution system, as opposed to a censorship-proof decentralized publishing system like Freenet. And it's centralized, so as soon as the central authority (the satellites) are compromised, the whole system is owned. IMO this is a neat first step -- it's not the whole way, but it's getting there. Now we just need Freenet or similar on decentralized microsats. On Thu, 2014-11-13 at 16:47 -0500, Travis Biehn wrote:

Do your own research on my statements, they are based on a brief review of their marketing materials from 1-2 months ago:

The biggest problem I have with this project is that the sats are centralized. I don't see how it can live up to 'censorship free.'

It depends on a crowd-sourced list of articles + funding from private advertisers.

You need to be morally aligned with the 'majority of people' - the minorities are still oppressed and marginalized. Corporate interests pay for top hits. Not enough protection against sybil attacks. Many, many many many more problems they need to address.

Neat idea on the face, though, just need to iron out some really big problems (sybil, distributed control of sat systems, ???.)

-Travis

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Andy Isaacson wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:17:25AM +0100, rysiek wrote: > Dnia czwartek, 13 listopada 2014 09:52:35 Eugen Leitl pisze: > > https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/lantern-one-device-free-data-from-space-f... [snip] > > Lantern continuously receives radio waves broadcast by Outernet from space.

> > device. All you need is a browser. > > > > Oh, and Outernet is free to use, always.

Outernet, at least, appears to be a real thing:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outernet

https://www.outernet.is

> Is it just me, or does it reek of snakeoil?.. Also, is it in any way related > to: > https://getlantern.org/

Appears to be a different project.

-andy

-- Twitter | LinkedIn | GitHub | TravisBiehn.com | Google Plus

-- Sent from Ubuntu

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 11/13/2014 02:17 AM, rysiek wrote:

Is it just me, or does it reek of snakeoil?.. Also, is it in any way related

The "magick satellite network ov data" that's always on? Yeah, it smells a little funny to me. Satellite time isn't cheap. HP printer ink is way cheaper. On the other hand, I found these from the same project: https://outernet-project.github.io/orx-install/ https://github.com/Outernet-Project/orx-install They specifically talk about using some of the sub-$20us software defined receivers (like the RTLSDR) to pick up the data to store locally. They have quite a few public repositories that might be worth picking through, for that matter: https://github.com/Outernet-Project I don't have a whole lot of time to go hunting right now, but what little I've done suggests that the source for odda (OuterNet Data Delivery Agent, which takes the data stream from the sat downlink and writes it as files appropriately) isn't available, or at least not yet. For setting up a data archive like that (which is an interest of mine), I can't, in good conscience, trust a daemon the source of which I can't examine. Too much at risk for my use cases.

to: https://getlantern.org/

Doesn't look like it. - -- The Doctor [412/724/301/703] [ZS] Developer, Project Byzantium: http://project-byzantium.org/ PGP: 0x807B17C1 / 7960 1CDC 85C9 0B63 8D9F DD89 3BD8 FF2B 807B 17C1 WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/ "Cameramen cannot survive on fast food and porn alone." --Anthony Bourdain -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUZTBhAAoJED1np1pUQ8Rk67QP/34MLsz0aVCCzMrSZuPGmOk3 L/H0oHenjnArtp1Ziq/3/l+iFD71mfjbQ83FI19JKuGk5ZsHOivoZgtby+kuZORY KsNvGZuP5NxkgXDadhKXdPMrMUpX47/XCSKspZRXeLGfWsi/FvsyfgZAR573hTBV W5CEju0BsBg8mpZ0YS97o2TWRpgAvXc5JcuDQQXXOlaA9GDkhZ0Dp5bBjoML72oY R/D4oUA5ns1hyRMMkYL3gNd6F6sRNbeoP6gV15JdyX/K4j4WbjytNjeQXJcFafGO apJ7tQqjgQRPQea4SUn8oft/3H82f+3pdWIOdSrlZXBsJGoXfNk5THMErKBXrvC4 jx+h64OKyQvNJmw10SweDM85iNbre9hpSACJNMeUWMXWvDPUY9WBSWy78+UNRbvB Ur4vNrEevtaFGLMAxL0rT70Whg84dFp8C9Du1vFSFHoJX4R/bSn18x91/slNgLQ6 zzhwrTbxB/m/ElGliokKrPJyK0kY8Y/GVSFbAoJLw1CPUk9/x9ITUUu4sjVJiyqt YqzkSYWrcWz5poaVky+x+qCB1H6oUg5bwxukeyLt/4GbJTcN9bKy+IXxPkevNCYL 6BPhoDaDzFgNmyQ9r/oxyY8ESQed4Gqga2rAuKsO2F3PP11EksQ+M3rQOqYFjkBk +utmpfY1yZoKR8Y1bXfO =DGi9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----