On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 08:01:00AM -0400, swalow swalow wrote:

Beginner question: What are the alternatives?

hosting your own??? jeez. -- otr fp: https://www.ctrlc.hu/~stef/otr.txt

On Tue, 2015-07-28 at 08:01 -0400, swalow swalow wrote:

Beginner question: What are the alternatives?

Fastmail, for one, though it does cost. I would imagine riseup.net is also an option for some.

-- Shawn K. Quinn

On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:47 AM, stef wrote:

is this mailinglist suddenly transformed to the libtech list? cypherpunks i believe build their own infrastructure, they work on remailers, and other related stuff. what the hell happened? can someone foia what the codeword for operation "disrupt cypherpunks mailinglist" is?

the mind boggles.

I wanted to hit the ‘like’ button on this, but I couldn’t find it. My internet must be broken. (I will agree hosting your own could be the way to go, however, running/admining your own box at home / work or hosted on a VPS each carry with them their own dangers of security, trust, yadda yadda). There is, as you state, a large difference between acknowledging these other options and their upsides/downsides, vs. simply not acknowledging their existence at all. Depressing.

On 7/28/15 8:21 AM, bbrewer wrote:

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On Jul 28, 2015, at 10:47 AM, stef wrote:

is this mailinglist suddenly transformed to the libtech list? cypherpunks i believe build their own infrastructure, they work on remailers, and other related stuff. what the hell happened? can someone foia what the codeword for operation "disrupt cypherpunks mailinglist" is?

the mind boggles. I wanted to hit the ‘like’ button on this, but I couldn’t find it. My internet must be broken. You do it like this: The original 'Like': +1 And then everyone is supposed to notice and mentally tabulate the results. Or your mail reader could track posts and do it for you, but nobody ever did that.

(I will agree hosting your own could be the way to go, however, running/admining your own box at home / work or hosted on a VPS each carry with them their own dangers of security, trust, yadda yadda).

I've run my own box on the Internet continuously since 1992. But there is a payment history, it's been in the same location for 8 years, etc. When I imagine a more secure (in certain senses) alternative, as least as an individual, it usually involves public cloud services, perhaps in some ephemeral rotating basis way. First you need to secure DNS, or some similar alternative, then... Tor or similar helps for a certain class of usage, but then you're outside the normal Internet world. Without interesting goals, no point in interesting solutions other than knowing how to do interesting solutions and what their limitations are. Which is a good thing in and of itself.

There is, as you state, a large difference between acknowledging these other options and their upsides/downsides, vs. simply not acknowledging their existence at all.

Depressing.

sdw