Decentralization as Imperatice [was: The Libertarian As Conservative]
When I first realized that I was already a libertarian, and always had been, in about 1975, it was always quite clear that Liberals, Leftists, and fellow-travellers hated (or at least strongly disliked) libertarianism. For reasons that are clear studying the Nolan Chart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart and the World's Smallest Political Quiz. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Smallest_Political_Quiz
The Right opposed libertarianism because libertarians promoted both personal and economic freedom, while the Right seemed to like only the latter. The Left opposed libertarianism because libertarians promoted both personal and economic freedom, while the Left seemed to like only the former.
That made 'sense', so to speak. Not that the liberals and conservatives actually made sense.
it is actually more fundamental! consider that both Right and Left promote the idea of an infallible strong center, which conveys the laws upon mankind. Libertarianism is by definition decentralized; delegating decisions to the edge. given that power corrupts; and absolute centralized power corrupts absolutely, it is clear that both Right and Left are deceptions by Centralized Power to maintain itself. the political question at core is this: centralization? (and abuse of power) - or - decentralization (and individual responsibility) the absurdity of humanity is that our cognitive bias sees only the direct cost of personal responsibility, yet ignores the global cost of centralized abuses. best regards,
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 22:40:36 +0000 coderman <coderman@protonmail.com> wrote:
Libertarianism is by definition decentralized; delegating decisions to the edge.
That of course begs the question : what's your definition of libertarianism? Do you think for instance that advocates of so called 'small government' are libertarians? Do you think that people who see corporations as poor oppressed victims (like all the fucking randroids do) are libertarians? So let me link this again https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-the-libertarian-as-conserv... and this https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bob-black-smokestack-lightning " The greatest obstacle, it seems to me — and Steele never does overtly disagree — is the institution of work. Especially, I think, in its industrial mode. Like most libertarians, Steele so far prefers industry to liberty that even to pose the problem of work as a problem of liberty throws a scare into him. " "....Very well then, let’s not “maintain advanced industry.” I want liberty; Steele, in Liberty, prefers industry. I think the rag should rename itself Industry if that’s where its deepest loyalty lies. "
given that power corrupts; and absolute centralized power corrupts absolutely, it is clear that both Right and Left are deceptions by Centralized Power to maintain itself.
the political question at core is this:
centralization? (and abuse of power) - or - decentralization (and individual responsibility)
the absurdity of humanity is that our cognitive bias sees only the direct cost of personal responsibility, yet ignores the global cost of centralized abuses.
best regards,
That of course begs the question : what's your definition of libertarianism?
i'll "know it when i see it" ;P~
Do you think for instance that advocates of so called 'small government' are libertarians?
no. usually these are selfish individuals who do not accept the mantle of personal accountability. rather, they espouse the mantra of "might makes right". they just don't want anyone mightier than they are...
Do you think that people who see corporations as poor oppressed victims (like all the fucking randroids do) are libertarians?
no. corporations by definition are the most centralized entities that exist. what corporations espouse as "libertarianism" is actually corporate fascism. the people who support these corporations are fascists. (but not in name, apparently :) best regards,
On 3/26/19 3:40 PM, coderman wrote:
When I first realized that I was already a libertarian, and always had been, in about 1975, it was always quite clear that Liberals, Leftists, and fellow-travellers hated (or at least strongly disliked) libertarianism. For reasons that are clear studying the Nolan Chart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart and the World's Smallest Political Quiz. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Smallest_Political_Quiz
The Right opposed libertarianism because libertarians promoted both personal and economic freedom, while the Right seemed to like only the latter. The Left opposed libertarianism because libertarians promoted both personal and economic freedom, while the Left seemed to like only the former.
That made 'sense', so to speak. Not that the liberals and conservatives actually made sense.
it is actually more fundamental!
consider that both Right and Left promote the idea of an infallible strong center, which conveys the laws upon mankind.
Libertarianism is by definition decentralized; delegating decisions to the edge.
given that power corrupts; and absolute centralized power corrupts absolutely, it is clear that both Right and Left are deceptions by Centralized Power to maintain itself.
the political question at core is this:
centralization? (and abuse of power) - or - decentralization (and individual responsibility)
the absurdity of humanity is that our cognitive bias sees only the direct cost of personal responsibility, yet ignores the global cost of centralized abuses.
Or the global cost of decentralized abuses. Which could be, and used to be, worse. Name your abuse of choice: it's worse when it's being done everywhere to / by everyone.
best regards,
sdw
hello Steven! you may not want to provoke here, but i welcome your input. in discussions of personal responsibility you come up lacking.
Or the global cost of decentralized abuses. Which could be, and used to be, worse. Name your abuse of choice: it's worse when it's being done everywhere to / by everyone.
i assume this implies a "native sin". this is Catholic mindset. the idea that we are born flawed and sinful. i reject this assertion. we are who we make ourselves to be, through our speech and actions. best regards,
On 3/26/19 4:25 PM, coderman wrote:
hello Steven!
you may not want to provoke here, but i welcome your input. in discussions of personal responsibility you come up lacking.
Really? How is that? What's your proof?
Or the global cost of decentralized abuses. Which could be, and used to be, worse. Name your abuse of choice: it's worse when it's being done everywhere to / by everyone.
i assume this implies a "native sin". this is Catholic mindset. the idea that we are born flawed and sinful.
What are you talking about? Do you assume often? If you would have read any of my last 30 years of writing on the Internet, you would know that I am diametrically opposed to the Catholic mindset, in the sense you are ascribing. Do your research.
i reject this assertion.
we are who we make ourselves to be, through our speech and actions.
Pick one or more aspects of your identity, profession, family, etc. Imagine when everyone decides they hate that about you and everyone like you. They do every single thing that centralized laws now almost completely prevent. Without anyone to complain to, all you get to do is complain to your buddies, waiving your guns at many more people waiving their guns back at you. You do realize that we've lived through periods like this already, right? Do you want to be living in the Little House on the Prairie when the rustlers happen by, too far for anyone to hear your screams to get help before it is too late? What do you think all of those Western's were about?
best regards,
Stephen
What are you talking about? Do you assume often? If you would have read any of my last 30 years of writing on the Internet, you would know that I am diametrically opposed to the Catholic mindset, in the sense you are ascribing. Do your research.
ok. then tell me: what is this decentralized wrong committed by every human?
Pick one or more aspects of your identity, profession, family, etc. Imagine when everyone decides they hate that about you and everyone like you. They do every single thing that centralized laws now almost completely prevent.
give me an example. prove to me that some harm is prevented only in the centralized model? i continue to assert this is a cop out - there is nothing fundamentally unique to centralized control which an enlightened public cannot achieve (in a more robust manner - this is the argument re: centralization vs. decentralization)
You do realize that we've lived through periods like this already, right? Do you want to be living in the Little House on the Prairie when the rustlers happen by, too far for anyone to hear your screams to get help before it is too late? What do you think all of those Western's were about?
we've never lived in a modern decentralized existence. communication is the key. best regards,
On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 00:05:37 +0000 coderman <coderman@protonmail.com> wrote:
What are you talking about? Do you assume often? If you would have read any of my last 30 years of writing on the Internet, you would know that I am diametrically opposed to the Catholic mindset, in the sense you are ascribing. Do your research.
ok. then tell me: what is this decentralized wrong committed by every human?
Stephen's comment was just nonsense. So far the only thing he's made clear is that he's an enemy of freedom. "decentralized abuses. Which could be, and used to be, worse." what is he talking about? He's talking about nothing - it's just retarded handwaving on his part.
"decentralized abuses. Which could be, and used to be, worse."
what is he talking about? He's talking about nothing - it's just retarded handwaving on his part.
more assuming on my part, but for sake of argument, consider that Portland could conceivably be segregated today. that is a centralized correction to a a decnetralized (local) issue. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland... again: this is a cop out. in the modern age communication deems the backwards views of white nationalist assholes as such. these views are backward in both the modern centralized, and decentralized model. communication is the key! best regards,
On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 00:17:03 +0000 coderman <coderman@protonmail.com> wrote:
"decentralized abuses. Which could be, and used to be, worse."
what is he talking about? He's talking about nothing - it's just retarded handwaving on his part.
more assuming on my part, but for sake of argument, consider that Portland could conceivably be segregated today.
that is a centralized correction to a a decnetralized (local) issue. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland...
Yes, but we can also look at the whole picture. In the US racism and slavery were the law of Stephen's fascist land. So the fact that the same fascist state responsible for apartheid, slavery, prohibition, taxation, mass murder and etc, did at some time something good doesn't prove the alleged benefits of centralization. Stpehen is clearly a govcorp troll. What kind of non trolling retard would post NSA advertisings on this list? 'Debugging is much easier in your scalable Docker app stack running in AWS" Yes! Nothing is more cpunkish than AWS and blind praise of the USA government!!
again: this is a cop out. in the modern age communication deems the backwards views of white nationalist assholes as such.
these views are backward in both the modern centralized, and decentralized model.
communication is the key!
culture is the key
best regards,
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 09:33:26PM -0300, Punk wrote:
On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 00:17:03 +0000 coderman <coderman@protonmail.com> wrote:
"decentralized abuses. Which could be, and used to be, worse."
what is he talking about? He's talking about nothing - it's just retarded handwaving on his part.
more assuming on my part, but for sake of argument, consider that Portland could conceivably be segregated today.
that is a centralized correction to a a decnetralized (local) issue. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland...
Yes, but we can also look at the whole picture. In the US racism and slavery were the law of Stephen's fascist land.
So the fact that the same fascist state responsible for apartheid, slavery, prohibition, taxation, mass murder and etc, did at some time something good doesn't prove the alleged benefits of centralization.
Stpehen is clearly a govcorp troll. What kind of non trolling retard would post NSA advertisings on this list?
'Debugging is much easier in your scalable Docker app stack running in AWS"
Yes! Nothing is more cpunkish than AWS and blind praise of the USA government!!
again: this is a cop out. in the modern age communication deems the backwards views of white nationalist assholes as such.
these views are backward in both the modern centralized, and decentralized model.
communication is the key!
culture is the key
Unless you're Huwaite - then your culture must be maligned, and the color of your skin hated on, for ever more, for reparations, for endless apologies, until your culture is destroyed. In fact, white is not even a color, so white people are colourless and not entitled to anything - not even to their own creations, their own time, their own families, homes or communities. Just so we're clear.
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 12:17:03AM +0000, coderman wrote:
"decentralized abuses. Which could be, and used to be, worse."
what is he talking about? He's talking about nothing - it's just retarded handwaving on his part.
more assuming on my part, but for sake of argument, consider that Portland could conceivably be segregated today.
that is a centralized correction to a a decnetralized (local) issue. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/racist-history-portland...
again: this is a cop out. in the modern age communication deems the backwards views of white nationalist assholes as such.
these views are backward in both the modern centralized, and decentralized model.
communication is the key!
The right to communicate freely, within the bounds of our capacity, is indeed foundational to our existence. The right to exercise our will to explore the creation of communities, again within the bounds of our capacity, is similarly foundational to that which makes life worth living. "Backwards white nationalist assholes" founded and built America. Feel free to literally live amongst whom you please. But seriously, to what end does anyone denigrate the alternative choices of others? Why not honour individual self expression? Or would you have the current centralised government coerce households in Western lands to alternative between one "white" household, and one "non white" household? Or perhaps 3 non white households for every one white household? Should we organise this on a street by street basis, or perhaps allow a little more flexibility - perhaps on a block by block basis - or would this lead to "white nationalist asshole" streets? This is actually a serious question.
On 3/26/19 5:05 PM, coderman wrote:
What are you talking about? Do you assume often? If you would have read any of my last 30 years of writing on the Internet, you would know that I am diametrically opposed to the Catholic mindset, in the sense you are ascribing. Do your research.
ok. then tell me: what is this decentralized wrong committed by every human?
I didn't say that there is a decentralized wrong being committed by every human. You were seemingly arguing against any centralized system, that only decentralized systems were valid and workable, or at least were far better. I disagree, depending on what you mean by centralized / decentralized in each sense. We need, and have, a mostly centralized system of government underpinning, agreed upon law system, economics (largely), science, knowledge, etc. Generally, that allows us to operate very autonomously and in a decentralized way already. I seldom see, visit, or interact with the Federal, State, or even local government. I usually interact with regulations only as constraints on my decisions and others. Besides paying taxes and benefiting from fixed roads, limits to hazards, etc., I feel very decentralized and self-controlled most of the time. You're arguing that disassembling that centralized / decentralized system into something more purely decentralized would be better. I don't see it.
Pick one or more aspects of your identity, profession, family, etc. Imagine when everyone decides they hate that about you and everyone like you. They do every single thing that centralized laws now almost completely prevent.
give me an example. prove to me that some harm is prevented only in the centralized model?
Efficiency. Trying to create, maintain, and evolve many, many decentralized systems at the pace our centralized legal / information / economic / medicine / scientific / safety / defense system operates would be far less efficient than the system we have now.
i continue to assert this is a cop out - there is nothing fundamentally unique to centralized control which an enlightened public cannot achieve (in a more robust manner - this is the argument re: centralization vs. decentralization)
Efficiency. The most rapid evolution. It is well-known that society evolves fastest in cities, i.e. centralization of the population to create more turns at all interactions which moves things along faster.
You do realize that we've lived through periods like this already, right? Do you want to be living in the Little House on the Prairie when the rustlers happen by, too far for anyone to hear your screams to get help before it is too late? What do you think all of those Western's were about?
we've never lived in a modern decentralized existence. communication is the key.
Our Internet-driven society is the most decentralized that has ever existed, because of good communication. And we can do much better. Some of what I've been thinking about and working on.
best regards,
sdw
We need, and have, a mostly centralized system of government underpinning, agreed upon law system, economics (largely), science, knowledge, etc. Generally, that allows us to operate very autonomously and in a decentralized way already. I seldom see, visit, or interact with the Federal, State, or even local government. I usually interact with regulations only as constraints on my decisions and others. Besides paying taxes and benefiting from fixed roads, limits to hazards, etc., I feel very decentralized and self-controlled most of the time. You're arguing that disassembling that centralized / decentralized system into something more purely decentralized would be better. I don't see it.
first, you state that you rarely interact with distinctly Federal(centralized) entities. ok, i agree :) second, you state that these centralized norms "allows us to operate very autonomously and in a decentralized way already". ok. then, "Besides paying taxes and benefiting from fixed roads, limits to hazards, etc., I feel very decentralized". you're speaking to shared infrastructure. again, this is not a uniquely centralized capability. in fact, decentralized infrastructure is more robust! understand that decentralized consensus can lead to global coordination. not only that, but this global coordination is resistant to singular abuse! e.g. these patterns are resilient. it follows that the benefits you don't see in decentralized structures are actually the end to which you aim and strive for!
Efficiency. Trying to create, maintain, and evolve many, many decentralized systems at the pace our centralized legal / information / economic / medicine / scientific / safety / defense system operates would be far less efficient than the system we have now.
efficiency used to be an adequate excuse. this is why i say that communication is the key to modern decentralization. we aren't there yet: but to yield to defeat before we've fought the fight is to succumb to despair. don't do it; we're human, after all :) best regards.
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 05:16:02PM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
On 3/26/19 5:05 PM, coderman wrote:
What are you talking about? Do you assume often? If you would have read any of my last 30 years of writing on the Internet, you would know that I am diametrically opposed to the Catholic mindset, in the sense you are ascribing. Do your research.
ok. then tell me: what is this decentralized wrong committed by every human?
I didn't say that there is a decentralized wrong being committed by every human. You were seemingly arguing against any centralized system, that only decentralized systems were valid and workable, or at least were far better. I disagree, depending on what you mean by centralized / decentralized in each sense.
Centralized vs decentralized is missing the point of libertarian (or what used to be known as libertarian before Republican/ "Conservative"/ Libertarian owned much of the dance.
We need,
Presumptive handwaving.
and have, a mostly centralized system of government
Ack.
underpinning, agreed upon law system,
English common law system: - Magna Carta - William and Mary Cess II bill of rights - common law as the age old customs of our community … which is now largely usurped into a Sandhedrin legal system. - "common law" as judicial precedent only - "Supreme" courts of supposedly "unlimited" jurisdiction over all humans - courts, by force of police, guns, licenses and jail, upholding the self proclaimed supreme power of the parliament to legislate against any and every 'human right' for ever and for whatever reason - the overwhelming domination of law by state-sanctioned monopoly "right" of lawyers, solicitors, barristers etc, who charge inordinate and incredible sums of shekels, leaving justice unattainable and essentially non-existent for the majority of humans living "under the umbrella of the West and its laws" - laws, via political donations to "representatives", essentially for sale to the highest corporate bidder …
economics (largely),
Completely, yet incredibly impressively, whilst illegally and immorally, undermined fiat ponzi scheme where the power to print money is usurped by a few families into the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve money system, unconstitutionally, achieved often at the point of a gun and/ or by way of murder and blackmail etc See also above re laws for sale. See also endless legal monopolies - infinity copyrights, patents benefitting almost exclusively the uber wealthy, corporate statutory rights over every natural resource; every natural resource available for purchase.
science, knowledge, etc.
Need no centralization/ government! Save your handwaving for the shadows, fascist!
Generally, that allows us to operate very autonomously and in a decentralized way already.
Your cage is guilt, plebe - be happy! Just try driving to visit some friends without a glorious state- issued "license to move about within your so called community" for a few years and tell me how much jail you do for the privilege of exercising your God given birth rights!
I seldom see, visit, or interact with the Federal, State, or even local government.
Irrelevant to the reality of the freedoms we no longer live, due to those entities of "government" which we "seldom see or interact with"!
I usually interact with regulations only as constraints on my decisions and others.
Another straw man! Some regulation of behaviour will exist in every system, centralized or decentralized - possie comitatus is merely the formalization of "Jeb raped my daughter lads, who's coming with me to sort this out?" One way or another, behaviour will be regulated. But the problem is that government takes this general expectation of people in our community that "bad behaviour" will be handled ("regulated"), and instead of say regulating bad driving behaviour, uses the 'proof of driving competency' (aka driver's license) as a sledge hammer against our rights, and the opportunity for national databases, monitoring of location and movement, sells all this data to Lockheed-Martin Tenix, all whilst trying to pretend "nothing to see here - you have your freedoms, goy, don't go asking difficult questions now"!
Besides paying taxes and benefiting from fixed roads, limits to hazards, etc.,
90%+ of the fuel tax we pay, is not spent on the roads. We were not asked what we wanted our tax money spent on, nor how much tax we hold is reasonable to collect for group benefits. The Federal Reserve banking system has illegally and immorally usurped the power of the state to print its own money - even if you DO hold that representative democracy is some sort of ultimate good! Government is largely usurped by the MIC. Politicians and the organs of state are notoriously corrupt.
I feel very decentralized and self-controlled most of the time.
Your feels are not relevant facts to the state of our freedoms. Your feels will never bring back even one immorally "droned to death, like literally" human, with no due process, no oversight, no transparency, no public dialog, no nothing of any sanity, justice nor even reasonableness in the eyes of the public.
You're arguing that disassembling that centralized / decentralized system into something more purely decentralized would be better. I don't see it.
Your (collectively) blinkers are unfortunately our greatest problem today.
Pick one or more aspects of your identity, profession, family, etc. Imagine when everyone decides they hate that about you and everyone like you. They do every single thing that centralized laws now almost completely prevent.
give me an example. prove to me that some harm is prevented only in the centralized model?
Efficiency.
The Ministry speaks: “Inefficiency is harm. Efficiency is freedom. Centralization guarantees your freedom. Centralization is the only way to guarantee your freedom, efficiently, and correctly. Be happy - you are a cog in this world of consumer values.” Got it Stephen. Makes perfect sense. Thank you for your wisdom.`
Trying to create, maintain, and evolve many, many decentralized systems at the pace our centralized legal / information / economic / medicine / scientific / safety / defense system operates would be far less efficient than the system we have now.
“Inefficiency is harm. Decentralization towards individual rights, empowerment and exploration of models for community, would be far less efficient than what we have today. We efficiently fund the world's greatest killing machine. We efficiently fund nearly 800 military bases in foreign countries. Due to our fiat ponzi scheme, all this killing and domination is paid for by fat cat middle brokers, on the backs of the efforts of those foreign nations, most of whom will suffer and reality shock at the looming USD reset - SO, that is, for us, this system is really quite efficient indeed. Thank you for your compelled and tacit agreement by default use of our fiat ponzi scheme. You're welcome, world! Such a happy day. ”
i continue to assert this is a cop out - there is nothing fundamentally unique to centralized control which an enlightened public cannot achieve (in a more robust manner - this is the argument re: centralization vs. decentralization)
Efficiency. The most rapid evolution. It is well-known that society evolves fastest in cities, i.e. centralization of the population to create more turns at all interactions which moves things along faster.
<randroid alert>
You do realize that we've lived through periods like this already, right? Do you want to be living in the Little House on the Prairie when the rustlers happen by, too far for anyone to hear your screams to get help before it is too late? What do you think all of those Western's were about?
we've never lived in a modern decentralized existence. communication is the key.
Our Internet-driven society is the most decentralized that has ever existed, because of good communication. And we can do much better. Some of what I've been thinking about and working on.
Efficiency, thus profit maximization, is the sole corporate value. Therefore, we must maximize efficiency, and hold to those systems which maximize efficiency - the steepening of the pyramid of wealth must be maximized at the cost of any other value - as long as you feel good in your cotton wool clad guilt cage of nihilism! Do NOT argue with the ministy, heathen!
1984's big brother is just, about, here folks. 2022 is less than 3 years away. All new cars sold in EU beginning 2022, shall have speed limiters and vehicular monitoring - that is, spying on you, ratting on you, and forcing your vehicle to a stop should your "friendly" police have any reason to choose so. “Campaigners welcomed the move, saying it would save thousands of lives.” Please, think of the children! “The EU says the plan could help avoid 140,000 serious injuries by 2038 and aims ultimately to cut road deaths to zero by 2050.” Your every movement shall be monitored. Speed limits shall be strictly enforced. Non-compliance shall be a criminal "summary" offence. Soon to be added by 2025: Every passanger of every vehicle shall be identified prior to and at regular intervals during all travel. Vehicles without this monitoring and control system shall only be drivable at limited times as "classic" or "collectors" vehicles with prior "easily and quickly granted" permits. For your safety and the safety of others, permanent in-dashboard CCTV video shall be permanently recorded ... Cuck Island: UK to Install Spy Box and Speed Limiters in All Vehicles by 2022 https://dailystormer.name/cuck-island-uk-to-install-spy-box-and-speed-limite... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415 https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/speed-limiting-technology-looks-se... https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/b61v1k/speed_limiting_technology_lo... https://www.fordownersclub.com/news/articles/uk-set-to-adopt-vehicle-speed-l... https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/03/28/0048224/eu-set-to-mandate-speed-lim... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limiter Limiting Speed, Limiting Safety http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/limiters.html Most importantly - limiting your privacy and your rights to move about anonymously and peacefully within and amongst our communities. Good luck world, On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 03:43:25PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 05:16:02PM -0700, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
Generally, that allows us to operate very autonomously and in a decentralized way already.
Your cage is guilt, plebe - be happy!
Just try driving to visit some friends without a glorious state- issued "license to move about within your so called community" for a few years and tell me how much jail you do for the privilege of exercising your God given birth rights!
I seldom see, visit, or interact with the Federal, State, or even local government.
Irrelevant to the reality of the freedoms we no longer live, due to those entities of "government" which we "seldom see or interact with"! ...
On Tue, 26 Mar 2019 16:55:53 -0700 "Stephen D. Williams" <sdw@lig.net> wrote:
You do realize that we've lived through periods like this already, right? Do you want to be living in the Little House on the Prairie when the rustlers happen by, too far for anyone to hear your screams to get help before it is too late? What do you think all of those Western's were about?
Hollywood fascist propaganda that the likes of you regard as 'reality' Now Stephen, why is it that you are subscribed to a list dealing with crypto ANARCHY, given your pure and undiluted fascist views? I think that you should explain that for starters to prove that you have a shred of intelectual honesty (which you actually don't)
On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 10:40:36PM +0000, coderman wrote:
When I first realized that I was already a libertarian, and always had been, in about 1975, it was always quite clear that Liberals, Leftists, and fellow-travellers hated (or at least strongly disliked) libertarianism. For reasons that are clear studying the Nolan Chart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart and the World's Smallest Political Quiz. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_Smallest_Political_Quiz
The Right opposed libertarianism because libertarians promoted both personal and economic freedom, while the Right seemed to like only the latter. The Left opposed libertarianism because libertarians promoted both personal and economic freedom, while the Left seemed to like only the former.
That made 'sense', so to speak. Not that the liberals and conservatives actually made sense.
it is actually more fundamental!
consider that both Right and Left promote the idea of an infallible strong center, which conveys the laws upon mankind.
Libertarianism is by definition decentralized; delegating decisions to the edge.
given that power corrupts; and absolute centralized power corrupts absolutely, it is clear that both Right and Left are deceptions by Centralized Power to maintain itself.
the political question at core is this:
centralization? (and abuse of power) - or - decentralization (and individual responsibility)
the absurdity of humanity is that our cognitive bias sees only the direct cost of personal responsibility, yet ignores the global cost of centralized abuses.
Ack! global -and- personal costs of centralized anything, of course... and failure to see the benefits of personal responsibility…
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