Puri.sm Librem 5 Phone Ships, Pine64 Pinephone Coming, Linux and BSD Phones
https://www.pine64.org/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/09/purisms-librem-5-phone-starts-shippi... https://puri.sm/posts/first-librem-5-smartphones-are-shipping/ https://pureos.net/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuT2w6BkT-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvnt78mK-Ac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHcHi0TBFv4 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC64-PJ-yoF7aJ9pIHWEbrTQ/videos Support the Digital Rights Movement... Get this phone ! Purism announced their first Librem 5 smartphones were rolling off the assembly line and heading to customers. "Seeing the amazing effort of the Purism team, and holding the first fully functioning Librem 5, has been the most inspirational moment of Purism's five year history," said their founder and CEO Todd Weaver. On Wednesday they posted a video announcing that the phones were now shipping, and Friday they posted a short walk-through video. "The crowdsourced $700 Linux phone is actually becoming a real product," reports Ars Technica: Purism's demand that everything be open means most of the major component manufacturers were out of the question. Perhaps because of the limited hardware options, the internal construction of the Librem 5 is absolutely wild. While smartphones today are mostly a single mainboard with every component integrated into it, the Librem 5 actually has a pair of M.2 slots that house full-size, off-the-shelf LTE and Wi-Fi cards for connectivity, just like what you would find in an old laptop. The M.2 sockets look massive on top of the tiny phone motherboard, but you could probably replace or upgrade the cards if you wanted... [Y]ou're not going to get cutting-edge hardware at a great price with the Librem 5. That's not the point, though. The point is that you are buying a Linux phone, with privacy and open source at the forefront of the design. There are hardware kill switches for the camera, microphone, WiFi/Bluetooth, and baseband on the side of the phone, ensuring none of the I/O turns on unless you want it to. The OS is the Free Software Foundation-endorsed PureOS, a Linux distribution that, in this case, has been reworked with a mobile UI. Purism says it will provide updates for the "lifetime" of the device, which would be a stark contrast to the two years of updates you get with an Android phone. PureOS is a Debian-based Linux distro, and on the Librem 5, you'll get to switch between mobile versions of the Gnome and KDE environments. If you're at all interested in PureOS, Purism's YouTube page is worth picking through. Dozens of short videos show that, yes, this phone really runs full desktop-class Linux. Those same videos show the dev kit running things like the APT package manager through a terminal, a desktop version of Solitaire, Emacs, the Gnome disk utility, DOSBox, Apache Web Server, and more. If it runs on your desktop Linux computer, it will probably run on the Librem 5, albeit with a possibly not-touch-friendly UI. The Librem 5 can even be hooked up to a monitor, keyboard, and mouse, and you can run all these Linux apps with the normal input tools... Selling a smartphone is a cutthroat business, and we've seen dozens of companies try and fail over the years. Purism didn't just survive long enough to ship a product -- it survived in what is probably the hardest way possible, by building a non-Android phone with demands that all the hardware components use open code. Making it this far is an amazing accomplishment.
https://medium.com/@thegrugq/secured-android-smartphone-32b28ae3fbd8 On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 12:03 AM grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/09/purisms-librem-5-phone-starts-shippi... https://puri.sm/posts/first-librem-5-smartphones-are-shipping/ https://pureos.net/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuT2w6BkT-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvnt78mK-Ac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHcHi0TBFv4 https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC64-PJ-yoF7aJ9pIHWEbrTQ/videos
Support the Digital Rights Movement... Get this phone !
Purism announced their first Librem 5 smartphones were rolling off the assembly line and heading to customers. "Seeing the amazing effort of the Purism team, and holding the first fully functioning Librem 5, has been the most inspirational moment of Purism's five year history," said their founder and CEO Todd Weaver.
On Wednesday they posted a video announcing that the phones were now shipping, and Friday they posted a short walk-through video. "The crowdsourced $700 Linux phone is actually becoming a real product," reports Ars Technica: Purism's demand that everything be open means most of the major component manufacturers were out of the question. Perhaps because of the limited hardware options, the internal construction of the Librem 5 is absolutely wild. While smartphones today are mostly a single mainboard with every component integrated into it, the Librem 5 actually has a pair of M.2 slots that house full-size, off-the-shelf LTE and Wi-Fi cards for connectivity, just like what you would find in an old laptop. The M.2 sockets look massive on top of the tiny phone motherboard, but you could probably replace or upgrade the cards if you wanted...
[Y]ou're not going to get cutting-edge hardware at a great price with the Librem 5. That's not the point, though. The point is that you are buying a Linux phone, with privacy and open source at the forefront of the design. There are hardware kill switches for the camera, microphone, WiFi/Bluetooth, and baseband on the side of the phone, ensuring none of the I/O turns on unless you want it to. The OS is the Free Software Foundation-endorsed PureOS, a Linux distribution that, in this case, has been reworked with a mobile UI. Purism says it will provide updates for the "lifetime" of the device, which would be a stark contrast to the two years of updates you get with an Android phone.
PureOS is a Debian-based Linux distro, and on the Librem 5, you'll get to switch between mobile versions of the Gnome and KDE environments. If you're at all interested in PureOS, Purism's YouTube page is worth picking through. Dozens of short videos show that, yes, this phone really runs full desktop-class Linux. Those same videos show the dev kit running things like the APT package manager through a terminal, a desktop version of Solitaire, Emacs, the Gnome disk utility, DOSBox, Apache Web Server, and more. If it runs on your desktop Linux computer, it will probably run on the Librem 5, albeit with a possibly not-touch-friendly UI. The Librem 5 can even be hooked up to a monitor, keyboard, and mouse, and you can run all these Linux apps with the normal input tools...
Selling a smartphone is a cutthroat business, and we've seen dozens of companies try and fail over the years. Purism didn't just survive long enough to ship a product -- it survived in what is probably the hardest way possible, by building a non-Android phone with demands that all the hardware components use open code. Making it this far is an amazing accomplishment.
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:39:45 -0700 "Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH" <kurt.buff@gmail.com> wrote:
https://medium.com/@thegrugq/secured-android-smartphone-32b28ae3fbd8
" Hardware: Google Pixel 3a - Boot loader: Google’s boot loader. Locked." what a pathetically stupid scam - then again 'secure' and 'android' are mutually exclusive terms. but wait, it gets better "Actual cost to produce one unit: $900" WHAHAHAHA - so a piece of shit google-nsa phone costs 50% more than a purism phone.
On 9/30/19, Punk <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Mon, 30 Sep 2019 11:39:45 -0700 "Kurt Buff - GSEC, GCIH" <kurt.buff@gmail.com> wrote:
https://medium.com/@thegrugq/secured-android-smartphone-32b28ae3fbd8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_3a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GrapheneOS
https://twitter.com/thegrugq grugq@comae.com https://gru.gq/
" Hardware: Google Pixel 3a - Boot loader: Google’s boot loader. Locked."
what a pathetically stupid scam - then again 'secure' and 'android' are mutually exclusive terms. but wait, it gets better
"Actual cost to produce one unit: $900"
WHAHAHAHA - so a piece of shit google-nsa phone costs 50% more than a purism phone.
Correct. Expensive, closed HW chips all over inside, closed SW FW and blobs, closed Qualcomm Baseband SOC, closed garbage. Not even an attempt at being more #Open. These Gigacorp$ could switch #Open in a day, but they won't, because they're hiding somethings from you. A phone, your phone, all locked up and impenetrable to incompetents other than yourself... sounds like great idea... Until you realize that all the HW chips in the phone, all its firmware and OS blobs, its baseband HW, the entire baseband telephony network... all 100% completely closed source, rooted and fully under the production and top secret control of adversaries others than yourself... ie: Gov and Corp. That is Fail. Just look at the secret SMS exploit through the SIM SOC released this month. That's not even talking exotic decapping and analysis tech, just all the plain old backdoors and bugs in and left in just for you. Test vectors are not exhaustive truth tables, you simply cannot trust closed HW and SW, at all. Yes you can run your silly vectors... your Graphenes BSD GPL whatever SW... on it in fake news lockdown mode as in the medium linked above. But in the end (and at least as is somewhat more started towards by the iteratively applied philosophy of those more open HW movements linked in the OP subject thread, etc ie: purposefully starting more open, turning profit to more open)... You must start to redirect global cashflows around that closed source problem towards #OpenHW that you can see and own, top to bottom, from the moment the silicon is sliced into wafers till the day you recycle such of your retired devices in a vat of molten steel. #OpenFabs , #OpenHW , #OpenSW , #OpenBiz , #OpenAudits That is how you build a truly "secured device". Telling people to buy a Pixel / Intel / AMD / IBM / Etc and throw an opensource vector on it isn't really helping much, because the ultimate problem is the closed HW, not your open vector test. The above medium link does nothing but feed more money to the major $BB+ closed HW incumbents, that continues to put you in position on your knees begging before them to open up, which they may, and history typically shows they will not, do, ever, until you revolt. You are wasting your collective time and money begging the incumbents, including political ones. It is cheaper and faster to build your own, while at the same time infiltrating and disrupting slowing incumbents from that angle. At least Librem has assembled some smaller $MM chips that could be bought out by open profit later on. And is, among others, seriously dedicated to projecting #OpenHW.
"there is no ... market"
Self defeatist talk. Of course open trust and security are in themselves no market memes... you have to actually put and enable running of #OpenSW on top of them, then you have something you can sell. Distrust is known to be in back of mind of everyone now, globally. So open trust is something that all now quietly lust for and will be immensely profitable to the first movers, and will completely crack open and disrupt the closed markets. Proof is that now all the major phone and CPU makers are touting closed fake "trust" and profiting from it. What do you think will happen when you are first to deliver actual #OpenTrust ... those legacy old, obese, circlejerkers die.
"I would very much love to produce and sell a proper secured HW"
As before, get your nutty millionaires billionaires and cryptos and crowds together and build the truly #OpenFab under 24x7x365 all access open to the public #OpenAudit models. Then you can print off all the open source secure #OpenHW you want and at cost. Including printing dirt cheap #OpenHW phone radios and base stations that everyone on the planet can plugin to their existing WAN connection, or their newly printed P2P Guerrilla Fiber Wifi Meshnet connection, and completely fucking overlay and replace the Legacy Cellular Network Monopolies with your all new secure distributed uncensorable solar powered... etc... Are you starting to get the big picture? It's doable within 20 years. Start now.
On Wed, 2 Oct 2019 03:48:43 -0400 grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
You must start to redirect global cashflows around that closed source problem towards #OpenHW
that's easier said than done though
#OpenFabs , #OpenHW , #OpenSW , #OpenBiz , #OpenAudits
That is how you build a truly "secured device".
yep
"there is no ... market"
Self defeatist talk.
But in a way, that is correct. There's no 'free market' at all, so building something like an 'open source' IC manufacturing plant is...pretty hard. To state the obvious, writing open source software requires very little effort - chip manufacturing is a lot more complex and all the required infrastructure is controlled by the enemy. Also, the line "there is no market" actually should read "there's no demand". Most of the 'public' don't care because they've been subjected to complete indoctrination. So we're dealing with a cultural problem, not an engineering problem.
Of course open trust and security are in themselves no market memes... you have to actually put and enable running of #OpenSW on top of them, then you have something you can sell.
Distrust is known to be in back of mind of everyone now, globally.
hmmm - that's mostly a PSYOP for the 'marketing' of closed HW that's even more closed - to state the obvious again, 'secure processors' are meant to secure devices AGAINST their alleged owners. 'secure' processors only provide security for govcorp. same thing as the stream of bullshit 'news' about this and that being 'hacked', this and that being 'vulnerable' etc etc.
So open trust is something that all now quietly lust for and will be immensely profitable to the first movers, and will completely crack open and disrupt the closed markets.
'tah market' or the closed market is actually a blattantly rigged market (thanks to things like 'intelectual property' hey Jim!) - so there's no way to subvert that rigged market while playing by their rules.
Proof is that now all the major phone and CPU makers are touting closed fake "trust" and profiting from it.
see above - what they are doing is using 'our' talking points to further their agenda.
What do you think will happen when you are first to deliver actual #OpenTrust ... those legacy old, obese, circlejerkers die.
except, samsung, intel and the pentagon own all the inftrastructure. There's no way to compete against them in the rigged market, which is not a market but a command and control economy.
"I would very much love to produce and sell a proper secured HW"
As before, get your nutty millionaires billionaires and cryptos and crowds together and build the truly #OpenFab under 24x7x365 all access open to the public #OpenAudit models.
the nutty billionaires are our number one enemy. The only guy who seems to be half aware of the situation is roger ver. Yet you can see him in his jewtube videos bragging about his iturd retard-phone. Yep, roger ver is a govcorp cocksucker, like amy run of the mill, fake libertarian.
Then you can print off all the open source secure #OpenHW you want and at cost.
too bad cost is in the 1000s of millions. and here's a half interesting fact. The only national governments that own the IC 'industry' are the americunt govt and the chinese govt. It seems that all the rest of the world use their backdoored HW. Hm ok, I have to add samsung to the club. And the japanese have some foundries, but they are spineless, piece-pf-shit sellouts. There are some european chip manufacturers too I guess? Same thing though, they are not manufacturing anything that's actually half 'secure'.
Including printing dirt cheap #OpenHW phone radios and base stations that everyone on the planet can plugin to their existing WAN connection, or their newly printed P2P Guerrilla Fiber Wifi Meshnet connection, and completely fucking overlay and replace the Legacy Cellular Network Monopolies with your all new secure distributed uncensorable solar powered... etc...
Are you starting to get the big picture?
the big picture is that we are thorughly fucked =/
It's doable within 20 years. Start now.
Librem5 vs PinePhone by Rob Braxman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaNzPooIWsU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEMKeJ5zfow Ubuntu Touch OS https://ubports.com/devices/promoted-devices Librem5 demos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvnt78mK-Ac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1haFGa7ZyPs Proof of Data Leaks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHcHi0TBFv4 See also: Sailfish OS
What's the best Mobian will dominate like Debian does? https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ .. SPECIFICATIONS - Allwinner A64 Quad Core SoC with Mali 400 MP2 GPU - 2GB of LPDDR3 RAM - 5.95″ LCD 1440×720, 18:9 aspect ratio (hardened glass) - Bootable Micro SD - 16GB eMMC - HD Digital Video Out - USB Type C (Power, Data and Video Out) - Quectel EG-25G with worldwide bands - WiFi: 802.11 b/g/n, single-band, hotspot capable - Bluetooth: 4.0, A2DP - GNSS: GPS, GPS-A, GLONASS - Vibrator - RGB status LED - Selfie and Main camera (2/5Mpx respectively) - Main Camera: Single OV6540, 5MP, 1/4″, LED Flash - Selfie Camera: Single GC2035, 2MP, f/2.8, 1/5″ - Sensors: accelerator, gyro, proximity, compass, barometer, ambient light - 3 External Switches: up down and power - HW switches: LTE/GNSS, WiFi, Microphone, Speaker, Cameras - Samsung J7 form-factor 3000mAh battery - Case is matte black finished plastic - Headphone Jack Mobian Linux is now available for the PineTab (as well as the PinePhone) https://linuxsmartphones.com/mobian-linux-is-now-available-for-the-pinetab-a... Mobian is a project that transforms the Debian GNU/Linux distribution into a mobile-friendly operating system by bundling Debian with a phone-friendly user interface and a selection of mobile apps. First launched this summer as an image that can be installed on the PinePhone, the developers of Mobian have announced that the operating system is now available for the PineTab as well. You can find the latest nightly installation images at the Mobian website. Mobian uses Purism’s phosh phone shell which has been optimized for small, touchscreen displays. It uses a Wayland compositor and GNOME technologies including GTK and GSettings. Available applications including Chromium, Epiphany, and Firefox (web browsers), Evolution (email, calendar and contacts), Maps, Telegram, Weather, and terminal applications. There’s also support for using web apps like native apps. While Mobian is still a work in progress, it already supports key features including hardware-accelerated video playback, WiFi, Bluetooth, and audio. There’s also a pretty lengthy troubleshooting page on the Mobian Wiki Originally released exclusively for Pine64’s $150 PinePhone, Mobian is also now available for the $100 PineTab tablet. The two devices share some key hardware: both have Allwinner A64 processors, eMMC storage, and 2GB of RAM, for example. But with a 10 inch, 720p display and 64GB of storage, the PineTab is a bigger device with more storage and a lower price tag. It also has support for an optional detachable keyboard… but you can’t use it to make phone calls and there’s no support for mobile data. You can find instructions for installing Mobian on the PinePhone or PineTab at the Mobian Wiki. https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=install p-boot is a tiny, crazy fast PinePhone bootloader with multi-boot support https://linuxsmartphones.com/p-boot-is-a-tiny-crazy-fast-pinephone-bootloade... There’s a new bootloader available for the PinePhone, and it’s small, speedy, and has a graphical user interface that allows you to choose between different operating systems when you start up the phone. The new p-boot utility takes up less than 32KB of space and boots in less than 60 milliseconds...
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