What is there left to protect? The idea that elites are immune to prosecution (complete with bribes to the prosecutors to appoint a jury favorable to the defence)? The image of men you had orgies with? It is not as if any of you elites actually care about anything other than those things. There is no need to accuse other portions of the elite of pedophilia, though I question the judgement of those who require satanic symbolism for greater orgasms. Certainly there are risks, the US didn't target enemy governments in WWII because there would no one to negotiate with, but right now there is no one to negotiate with. I also refuse to be manipulated using my emotions, whatever they may be. No one ever cared, I doubt any of you will start. You people aping the emotions of normal people is unconvincing, it is certainly not met by any real deeds.
On Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 05:31:09AM +0000, Ryan Carboni wrote:
What is there left to protect? The idea that elites are immune to prosecution (complete with bribes to the prosecutors to appoint a jury favorable to the defence)? The image of men you had orgies with? It is not as if any of you elites actually care about anything other than those things.
There is no need to accuse other portions of the elite of pedophilia,
Oh yes, yes there is - but perhaps not for the reasons you might think: pedophilia is an easy entrapment of politicians, in order to wield the power of blackmail over them - you got naughty with a 14 or 15 year old? "Now, you are my politician, and you will act as I say, if you value your reputation." To the extent such blackmail is used, your government is certainly corrupt, by any definition of the term "corrupt". To bring about a greater possibility of peace and order, both intra- and inter-nationally, we must handle such corruption. How exactly to handle such corruption is another question - perhaps the LGBT crowd could liberalise all "sexual regulation" laws, in particular to reduce the age of consent to that of older times, and in so doing, eliminate all blackmail involving such 'underage sex'. Perhaps even non-LGBT folks might lean in such a direction.
though I question the judgement of those who require satanic symbolism for greater orgasms.
Certainly there are risks, the US didn't target enemy governments in WWII because there would no one to negotiate with, but right now there is no one to negotiate with.
I also refuse to be manipulated using my emotions, whatever they may be. No one ever cared, I doubt any of you will start. You people aping the emotions of normal people is unconvincing, it is certainly not met by any real deeds.
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 16:29:29 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Oh yes, yes there is - but perhaps not for the reasons you might think: pedophilia is an easy entrapment of politicians, in order to wield the power of blackmail over them
politicians are not being blackmailed - stop making bullshit up.
- you got naughty with a 14 or 15 year old?
for the record so called 'age of consent' in places like germany is 14. Not to mention that persons aged 14 are not 'children' anyway.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 02:40:27AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 16:29:29 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Oh yes, yes there is - but perhaps not for the reasons you might think: pedophilia is an easy entrapment of politicians, in order to wield the power of blackmail over them
politicians are not being blackmailed - stop making bullshit up.
Damn dude - you da bronx or sumting? Tough customer... Once again: ============================================================================ From: Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2019 08:46:47 +1100 Subject: Re: Epstein revelations List-Id: The Cypherpunks Mailing List <cypherpunks.lists.cpunks.org> ...
If a guy like epstein, a wall-street jew-thief also ran a blackmail boutique to honestly earn some extra pocket money from donations from his friends, that wouldn't change the nature and modus operandi of govcorp AT ALL.
We may now call a spade a spade, and blackmail blackmail. ... Just not without mentioning "all black spades are Americunts!" :) Repeat after me, all blac <a#... SEGFAULT Epstein Was A Mossad Agent Used To Blackmail American Politicians, Former Israeli Spy Claims https://www.zerohedge.com/political/epstein-was-mossad-agent-used-blackmail-... https://summit.news/2019/12/06/epstein-was-a-mossad-agent-used-to-blackmail-... Ari Ben-Menashe, a former Israeli spy and alleged “handler” of Robert Maxwell, told the authors of a new book, Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales, that Epstein ran a “complex intelligence operation” at the behest of Mossad. ... When it became clear that Epstein wasn’t very competent at doing much else, his primary role became “blackmailing American and other political figures.” “Mr. Epstein was the simple idiot who was going around providing girls to all kinds of politicians in the United States,” said Ben-Menashe. “See, fucking around is not a crime. It could be embarrassing, but it’s not a crime. But fucking a fourteen-year-old girl is a crime. And he was taking photos of politicians fucking fourteen-year-old girls — if you want to get it straight. They would just blackmail people, they would just blackmail people like that.” ... ============================================================================ So, Juan, as mentioned previously, some folks will never, ever be satisfied, no matter what facts, opinions, references or any discussion whatsoever. It is -always- possible in almost every conversation, to find fault, to see stupidity, to "uncover" bullshit. No matter which what or how many facts are presented, some dissidents always gonna diss, God bless them :/ I don't know how useful that is, but them's the cards... Raging when a fact has been missed, overlooked, or an outright lie being perpetrated, sure, I get that. Rage on when misinformation is spread - rife in the "computer security" world - a service, likely. But raging for raging's sake? Not accepting opinions of "reasonable conclusions based on already presented facts" and raging about how it's all bullshit/ made up? I don't understand the utility of -that- much raging, and assumptions about unresolved rager's childhoods inevitably pre-sume themselves on a lonely mind's remaining functional neurone. Good luck and as always, continue creating your world, hopefully for the better,
On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 02:40:27AM -0300, Punk-Stasi 2.0 wrote:
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 16:29:29 +1100 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
Oh yes, yes there is - but perhaps not for the reasons you might think: pedophilia is an easy entrapment of politicians, in order to wield the power of blackmail over them
politicians are not being blackmailed - stop making bullshit up.
- you got naughty with a 14 or 15 year old?
for the record so called 'age of consent' in places like germany is 14. Not to mention that persons aged 14 are not 'children' anyway.
Yes, treating biological adults as though they are children is the infant-ization, belittling, and disempowering of young adults and ultimately adults, as well as criminalizing rather than celebrating wholesome relationships. A good comparison is Italy vs Australia, where in Italy is common for older children and younger teenagers to be allowed a small glass of wine at dinner when the parents are drinking wine at dinner. As a result of this, binge drinking in much of Europe is basically non existent. In contrast, in Australia, under the moral virtue signalling banner of "refusing to normalize alcholoholism", we have laws on the books, and a MSM enforced culture of stricture around "children and alcohol" (with children of course being defined as anyone under the age where drinking alcohol publicly is not criminalized, in Australia usually 18, and in America often 21). So parents who might do as the Europeans do and allow their young offspring a little alcohol on occasion, are vilified as irresponsible parents who ought be prosecuted. And in Australia, as a result of the above, binge drinking in young adults is some of the worst in the world. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-15/schoolies-statistics-alarming-rates-o... A similar situation is the case with the fear, loathing and almost universal (in the (((MSM))) dominated West at least) condemnation of age differential sexual relationships. Our "public conversation" is messed up, and I say it is messed up for very specific reasons, intentions and purposes, which you appear to continue to rail vehemently against. One reason such railing and raging is counterproductive, is that as more people become aware of the underlying causes, intentions and purposes for the "crappy public conversation" that we have around these issues, the better the chance of shifting that conversation and ultimately collectively rectifying some of these problems. Yes, of course, there are more reasons, more causes - such as the puritanical history which some of us share - but one cause does not necessarily detract from another cause, and in fact they may be complementary.
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