On 01/28/2017 12:16 AM, grarpamp wrote:

As before thse corps and their ceo's all trying to get props in the news are nothing but pussies. All they're doing is meekly asking for permission to do the free speech already written plain as day in the US Constitution. They're playing the game for team gov on this and further eroding things. Joint corporate disobediance in protest to bogus lower law, secrets, and unethical unfair impositions via them upon others needs to be a thing. It's not as if the gov will swoop in and close them all down just for publishing some bullshit secret papers. Those that don't fight secrecy will eventually be got by or fall with it. History has made no mistake about that.

While the popularized lavabit, or calyx, et al may have been novel or pesky fighters, they certainly weren't free. Only the leakers of secrets hold that high distinction.

It's not as if the gov will swoop in and close them all down just for publishing some bullshit secret papers.

Twitter is 'playing the game' in court. The only game in town. The US government could and would shut twitter down just as fast as KimDOTCom's first Mega went down, and the twitter people know it. If you think the US government cares about the potential bad publicity or other 'fallout' from an act that rash "In the name of national security'... You're wrong. They might not drone strike twitter hq, but YOU CAN BET you'd be seeing twitter execs doing the perp walk into a federal detention facility or taking refuge in an embassy like Assange. But they aren't that smart-on-their-feet, nor do they have friends in the low places needed to 'evacuate' them so it would be the perp walk. Rr Ps. Re "/written plain as day in the US Constitution/" The US government wipes it's ass with American's constitutional rights. Always has.

On 01/28/2017 12:24 PM, grarpamp wrote:

As before, I wager it's at most a tolerable fine and a year and a day in the rec room. At least for principled socialnets and other services that have no major gov contracts to lose. And that the social upside would be huge. Tim Cook at megacorp got quite some props for relatively strongly opening his mouth on mostly opinion only and being about the only such CEO among megacorps to do so. Where are the ones on Snowden's PRISM list saying "Hey gov be tryna troll us and u like dat'? Any CEO publicly cop to that secret paper yet?

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asswipes No shit. So treat all the Secret Charmin that chafes you the wrong way like the toilet paper it is.

Kind of is happening in another 'theatre of action' today. Protests at international airports all over the US. Dulles/DC, JFK, OHare/Chicago, SFO, LAX, Logan/Boston, must be others ... but DO NOTE that Donald Trump wrote an Executive order to cause a Muslim Ban (Muslim ONLY... religion-based) from certain countries, all of whom we're bombing and none of which has been involved in any terrorist incident in the US in any known history, and HE NEVER EVEN RAN IT THOUGH OFFICIAL LEGAL CHANNELS! As if an Executive order is some sort of Monarch's Decree, and all the armed thugs America's tax dollar pay for MAY VERY WELL BE detaining, deporting, and harassing immigrants unconstitutionally. You know what that makes them? Brownshirts. Traitors. Everyone knows it. No counterprotesters. Hiding like the bigoted racist slime they are. IF the Executive Order turns out to be illegal and Trump never ran it through channels causing immigrants to be persecuted... Abso-fucking-lutely impeachable. Tech checks in on this. It hits them hard in their employee base, and they ARE NOT HAPPY. Any crack in the state's armor, it's tech industry alliances, is a gooood crack. http://www.recode.net/2017/1/28/14426422/tech-leaders-opposing-trumps-muslim... Rr

On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 12:02:27PM +1000, James A. Donald wrote:

On 1/29/2017 11:41 AM, Razer wrote:

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Dulles/DC, JFK, OHare/Chicago, SFO, LAX, Logan/Boston, must be others ... but DO NOTE that Donald Trump wrote an Executive order to cause a Muslim Ban (Muslim ONLY... religion-based) from certain countries, all of whom we're bombing and none of which has been involved in any terrorist incident in the US in any known history, and HE NEVER EVEN RAN IT THOUGH OFFICIAL LEGAL CHANNELS!

A lot of high IQ westernized Muslims who come in through channels like H1B visas for engineers have been inconvenienced.

Meanwhile, in flyover country, Obama has been dumping enormous numbers of black male military age Muslims screaming for infidel blood and white pussy on marginal electorates, to tip the vote Democratic. From being peaceful and rural, they have suddenly gone to having an enormous crime problem, inner city levels of crime, and Rotherham levels of rape.

The ban has undoubtedly stopped enormous numbers of rapes of white women already.

Who could POSSIBLY have predicted a voter backlash?

On Sat, Jan 28, 2017 at 8:41 PM, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:

but DO NOTE that Donald Trump wrote an Executive order to cause a Muslim Ban (Muslim ONLY... religion-based) from certain countries, all of whom we're bombing and none of which has been involved in any terrorist incident in the

Some like to say Sauds did wtc. Assuming true as the only country supported excercise and everything else is free agent. Then all that's left is to run the stats on logical AND of - All legally admitted entry persons from all places, broken down by country, religion, economic status, social, psych, family, etc. - All the [attempted] murders of three [perhaps two] or more people in one event by all such admittees. Then if you've no other tool but ban, and your goal is to reduce such murders, then what do the stats tell you to ban 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc? What are the actual stats here? Tribranch repubs might bill a restore of federal 2ndA permitless concealed carry as a defense against mass sprees in public so aren't likely to last long. Perhaps as political alternate if ban fails. Note any such current murder count is purely noise floor next to the mountains of what are known by science or spending to be entire classes of preventable deaths. Like say free yearly body scans to find cancer and such early.