Facebook censorship
http://russia-insider.com/en/zakharchenkos-new-facebook-page-blocked/ri10875 Nothing new to cp-ers I guess - I remember about 7 years ago a video/ slide presentation that circulated - on facebook no less, showing the leadership of FB was mostly ex-CIA, ex-NSA. (Yes, I carefully look out from my brown paper bag - I did log in to facebook for a few weeks.) Z
I don't think it was ordered by Facebook leadership or something like that. The truth is that FB has pretty flawed mechanism of blocking, so any page that received many abuses from FB users will be banned for some time without any action from FB mods. Both pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian pages were banned many times this way, including ones with verified accounts. Here is some The Guardian report on blocking Russian opposition activists and Ukrainian bloggers pages, for example http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/17/facebook-pro-kremlin-attacks-ru... So there is no conspiracy, just a lot of users abusing FB's abuse mechanism and FB doing nothing with that. But FB really censored an event page of opposition rally in Russia following Russian request http://mashable.com/2014/12/22/facebook-blocks-opposition-rally-page-russia/ Zenaan Harkness:
http://russia-insider.com/en/zakharchenkos-new-facebook-page-blocked/ri10875
Nothing new to cp-ers I guess - I remember about 7 years ago a video/ slide presentation that circulated - on facebook no less, showing the leadership of FB was mostly ex-CIA, ex-NSA. (Yes, I carefully look out from my brown paper bag - I did log in to facebook for a few weeks.) Z
-- https://nesterov.pw GPG key: 0CE8 65F1 9043 2B11 25A5 74A7 1187 6869 67AA 56E4 https://keybase.io/komachi/key.asc
I, personally, think it was artful how the russian-insider.com/en so skillfully spun this article as pseudo-American censorship of Ukranian-Russian speech to the numb-minded skim/headline reader. When in reality, as the article plainly lays out, and to echo Komachi's sentiments, FB doesn't personally block anyone's page (or nearly anyone/anything). FB relies on their users to self-moderate the content that they profit off of. Also pointed out in the article, the ban-stick ninjas were "Ukrainian trolls" (one man's troll is another man's propagandist, uh, I mean publicist) hailing from, obviously, a different political background. What we see here is the first signs of singularity. Before long, these propaganda articles will be algorithmically written, automatically published, and will start to interact with each in ways we could never have predicted resulting in outcomes outside of the scope of our imaginations. Back in reality-land though, I don't FB often... but when I do, I https://www.facebookcorewwwi.onion/ Three Freedom Fighter, aka another man's terrorist On Tue, 03 Nov 2015 01:24:18 +0000 Anton Nesterov <komachi@openmailbox.org> wrote:
I don't think it was ordered by Facebook leadership or something like that. The truth is that FB has pretty flawed mechanism of blocking, so any page that received many abuses from FB users will be banned for some time without any action from FB mods. Both pro-Ukrainian and pro-Russian pages were banned many times this way, including ones with verified accounts. Here is some The Guardian report on blocking Russian opposition activists and Ukrainian bloggers pages, for example http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/17/facebook-pro-kremlin-attacks-ru... So there is no conspiracy, just a lot of users abusing FB's abuse mechanism and FB doing nothing with that.
But FB really censored an event page of opposition rally in Russia following Russian request http://mashable.com/2014/12/22/facebook-blocks-opposition-rally-page-russia/
Zenaan Harkness:
http://russia-insider.com/en/zakharchenkos-new-facebook-page-blocked/ri10875
Nothing new to cp-ers I guess - I remember about 7 years ago a video/ slide presentation that circulated - on facebook no less, showing the leadership of FB was mostly ex-CIA, ex-NSA. (Yes, I carefully look out from my brown paper bag - I did log in to facebook for a few weeks.) Z
On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 03:51:36AM +0000, Cubed wrote:
What we see here is the first signs of singularity. Before long, these propaganda articles will be algorithmically written, automatically published, and will start to interact with each in ways we could never have predicted resulting in outcomes outside of the scope of our imaginations.
Besides, that's already possible: http://clickotron.com/. Article: http://larseidnes.com/2015/10/13/auto-generating-clickbait-with-recurrent-ne.... :) - Tom
Totally. Also, to see more evidence of these interactions, see the last several flash crashes in the US stock markets. What's happening in several of those situations is algos from competing brokerages producing extreme unexpected results. Market crashes, pull the plug, fix the algo or introduce some "rule". Rules being, IMO often just a band-aid for not fixing the code and admitting it was technology that ran away from them. On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:14:57 +0100 Tom <tom@vondein.org> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 03:51:36AM +0000, Cubed wrote:
What we see here is the first signs of singularity. Before long, these propaganda articles will be algorithmically written, automatically published, and will start to interact with each in ways we could never have predicted resulting in outcomes outside of the scope of our imaginations.
Besides, that's already possible: http://clickotron.com/. Article: http://larseidnes.com/2015/10/13/auto-generating-clickbait-with-recurrent-ne....
:)
- Tom
Cubed writes: | Totally. Also, to see more evidence of these interactions, see the last | several flash crashes in the US stock markets. What's happening in | several of those situations is algos from competing brokerages | producing extreme unexpected results. Market crashes, pull the plug, | fix the algo or introduce some "rule". Rules being, IMO often | just a band-aid for not fixing the code and admitting it was technology | that ran away from them. See "When Robots Collude" uk.businessinsider.com/robots-colluding-to-manipulate-markets-2015-4 gist: when algorithms learn to defraud, what does LE do? --dan
On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 03:51:36AM +0000, Cubed wrote:
What we see here is the first signs of singularity. Before long, these
By "singularity" do you mean "technological singularity" as defined in wikipedia (strong AI screws humans)? I don't think such human made singularity will ever happen for the simple reason "hacker oligarchs" will control the bots. Extraterrestrial stuff maybe be possible though.
Singularity defined as the moment when the technology humans create creates technology faster than humans can understand it. Robots creating robots in ways we didn't dictate and couldn't predict. As I've used the idea, I don't see it as a necessarily negative "event" or "period". It simply is, or would be I should say. Imagine we somehow travel very far in space and find an less evolved species of sentient beings living on a planet rich with resources. What do you think those sentient beings will think when we start digging up precious metals and maybe even mining fossil fuels, if we are still doing that in this theoretical future? Will they understand our machines? Will they understand our.. anything? Will we be seen as a danger or as a deity? Most importantly, will they understand our motivations or simply view our motivations through the lenses of their existence? Assuming all sentient life evolves along the same basic trajectory as ours, they will probably seek some answers to these many questions through experiences they can relate to. But their experiences will never provide meaningful frames of reference. Now, think about strong AI and the thoughts it would have. Strong AI will be motivated, very quickly by some people's predictions, by things we will not understand, eventually. To think that this conceptual future will be controllably is false by the very definition of singularity. Are we controlled by the cows we eat? Is our existence dictated by dolphins? We will not be able to control strong AI, at a point, anymore than we can control the sun and the moon. Which is not to say we will be without control, you can always wear sunglasses. I'm sure many many humans will wear sunglasses. In regards to extraterrestrial beings as well as strong AI; the singularity idea is more than just bots and our deaths. It's about transcending biology. And that's exactly where the hacker ethos is most important because it's humans with disabilities and hackers that will being the transformation of man to machine. There are no absolutes; the singularity is not a this or that event. It's a technological awakening and it's precisely when we, as humans, will have the opportunity to not only shed our biology, but discard our dated concepts of society. On Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:40:28 +0200 Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 03, 2015 at 03:51:36AM +0000, Cubed wrote:
What we see here is the first signs of singularity. Before long, these
By "singularity" do you mean "technological singularity" as defined in wikipedia (strong AI screws humans)?
I don't think such human made singularity will ever happen for the simple reason "hacker oligarchs" will control the bots. Extraterrestrial stuff maybe be possible though.
| | Assuming all sentient life evolves along the same basic trajectory as | ours, they will probably seek some answers to these many questions | through experiences they can relate to. But their experiences will | never provide meaningful frames of reference. | On the above narrow point, see Robin Hanson's "The Great Filter" http://mason.gmu.edu/~rhanson/greatfilter.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter Or, more broadly, Ward & Brownlee's 2000 book _Rare Earth_, such as the discussion at http://tal.forum2.org/rare --dan
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On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:28:08 -0300 c4p0 <c4p0@cyberguerrilla.org> wrote:
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I read the fucking manuals but don't have clear what is the better option of "Mandatory Access Control" for debian jessie. (AppArmor, SElinux, tomoyo, etc ..)
Good question. You should use selinux? It was written by the NSA. They are very nice people.
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someone can give me your opinion about it?
SELinux on Jessie is a nightmare since there's no maintainers for the refpolicy/MLS packages any more. AppArmor is probably the way to go, though it's pretty limited in what it can do. - -- Cheers, James Harrison -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWXBXdAAoJENTyYHL8dmp9TbcP/3IqHQMgJbbcOQMVtn1mUd12 T0bdkEeQJjmvyVoiu+gD3Hl5kWKZyqfVQD/EzMH8QM26rEaNf2wDAkzCO1tLUx1u vVc9BhTWY24KhjhtH8l2UJPMb5OHQ42hTeXRcmrGi1yyL14XrTit2K+zyS8TmM3L y8DC1sCalpzrX31aICH8lvS62si2d0RmSIb+VVkRnCvLQthclFAA1eeXQ8o3UoO8 TM/9qNSmbb1muvbQYVyGHmRRyyXfJ9hMSkUrnguz6Oj3k9LKb/X6rRI+At4cl5lj D1PkUnj6cbSZxKAzmXH4NhzkxsPSLUB876WowWjtsz7xIWGdl6G7gNipjRCj/r90 vVd80rVFlpd8/t7wZSS0wulEHWSZ3gnVsurI9hT6G49HYpsQMWZORVOW1wo/tGEK o1Fn20W8Tj/kaiqIcpKF0mRtucN8xDjjlxG2JCIUxbtZQjavK+bbZFrhWqEtPwIs COm5Gtd+3Hcqb89W+k/yYMQA36fkZjwOQn7YXbeIHZXObVbUjeQH3TXPW9sd7yel zQo6sU44D6UxedBvaiBKwkHQWTv+Yx/Wx5EU6lLcXo7SsG6Xf3B/T6Vpwac3g9am kLqps9E647Ijj/eGGL49uQjvBxsKtYOoEGGA/CjYYXbhxB6TOo2u1ywMD+kZT/2u wRH4W9O5Zq9Y9EYCQBaH =QMr/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11/30/2015 04:24 AM, James Harrison wrote:
On 29/11/2015 17:28, c4p0 wrote:
someone can give me your opinion about it?
SELinux on Jessie is a nightmare since there's no maintainers for the refpolicy/MLS packages any more.
AppArmor is probably the way to go, though it's pretty limited in what it can do.
A feature comparison; http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/selinux-vs-apparmor-vs-grsecurity.html Yet another option: Create your own 'Live DVD' from a shiny new security-enhanced OS instance, use encrypted R/W media for data file persistence. Anything that does climb out of its sandbox won't persist beyond the current session. :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJWXH1iAAoJEDZ0Gg87KR0LkLEQANjlKtPJNfm2nPUt8liC1yYH qj/3zX//OI8g/JqSHtj/V9wCMIld4glFgCiLzdPi+S+6ilIUwR6sQyRyOF6VvFye rg+w7qXorQOQ0gXdTm6EZwL3FS6V1HKLiFHFhDesGXdzimko/FysU+hCRre/ypJt JMiep+X/s923L6tl+V6EKSOtGhllO+tQ2QRmxMunu5aekjCjS7PRKYKgTzKaU37o Jvrvb+EbZ+urShnvAPfJF6rMEL2xHwdZIh3bdoyLE3GcNX57UZejR4Se3H+sl2o5 HFV5pj+YvHopDm4RgKCr4MlJeX43gDHO3soqfX25ie7Hxc+YRyjmcow23EWigNM8 kHcDvNfbR5GiDp7WrZ72W66D27zDZ+ebZ4LL0+DzT2sqUxquD2zCXY4LM7RDOSwn XC7pPXC2aqzV/w2RWN/6DrWH+GRCGeSNvIu+nMMN2l983h+iX6DZlPg04V4ruW5F s5pmTczJ1DuGQNXjCxfXiSGAJElIlzSi/8KbwivJrYkTdCvMstgzSJtY1LJvkK2U EgJyg7r40vqZqBNCqASJNQhxh9amKzypT7zJjRagUH3r18UBQ8mqbnSXYHK3vPMo L90oFUnnEM3q+Qm+lay45Apo3QSrtcjt9mAROtSedhJ2NdRLgI+o4UHhEVlFnSfp 8ap/2cnf1IEVjHYh65cU =KWwg -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Dnia poniedziałek, 30 listopada 2015 11:46:27 Steve Kinney pisze:
On 11/30/2015 04:24 AM, James Harrison wrote:
On 29/11/2015 17:28, c4p0 wrote:
someone can give me your opinion about it?
SELinux on Jessie is a nightmare since there's no maintainers for the refpolicy/MLS packages any more.
AppArmor is probably the way to go, though it's pretty limited in what it can do.
A feature comparison;
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/selinux-vs-apparmor-vs-grsecurity.html
Yet another option: Create your own 'Live DVD' from a shiny new security-enhanced OS instance, use encrypted R/W media for data file persistence. Anything that does climb out of its sandbox won't persist beyond the current session.
:o)
Actually, I was thinking of using a doctored SD card for the /boot partition. Question is: is it possible to *physically* disable writes on an SD card? CDs/DVDs are so unwieldy... -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 3:54 PM, rysiek <rysiek@hackerspace.pl> wrote:
Dnia poniedziałek, 30 listopada 2015 11:46:27 Steve Kinney pisze:
On 11/30/2015 04:24 AM, James Harrison wrote:
On 29/11/2015 17:28, c4p0 wrote:
someone can give me your opinion about it?
SELinux on Jessie is a nightmare since there's no maintainers for the refpolicy/MLS packages any more.
AppArmor is probably the way to go, though it's pretty limited in what it can do.
A feature comparison;
http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/selinux-vs-apparmor-vs-grsecurity.html
Yet another option: Create your own 'Live DVD' from a shiny new security-enhanced OS instance, use encrypted R/W media for data file persistence. Anything that does climb out of its sandbox won't persist beyond the current session.
:o)
Actually, I was thinking of using a doctored SD card for the /boot partition. Question is: is it possible to *physically* disable writes on an SD card?
CDs/DVDs are so unwieldy...
-- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak
Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
Except anything that writes to your other hardware, firmwares, BIOS etc... R/O is a good idea, though. Just, don't consider it the 'silver bullet'. -- Twitter <https://twitter.com/tbiehn> | LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/travisbiehn> | GitHub <http://github.com/tbiehn> | TravisBiehn.com <http://www.travisbiehn.com> | Google Plus <https://plus.google.com/+TravisBiehn>
Dnia poniedziałek, 30 listopada 2015 16:08:43 piszesz:
Except anything that writes to your other hardware, firmwares, BIOS etc...
Yeah, washing one's hands before eating doesn't kill the bacteria in the air, I get it. ;)
R/O is a good idea, though. Just, don't consider it the 'silver bullet'.
I don't. But I would still like to know if it's possible to create a read-only SD card. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
Well, DuckDuckGo to the rescue. Apparently there is no way to physically doctor an SD card to become read-only once and for all, but here's *something* at least: http://hackaday.com/2014/01/18/the-tiniest-sd-card-locker/ It's not good enough (as anybody who has a device like that can make the card readable again), but it's an interesting hack nonetheless. -- Pozdrawiam, Michał "rysiek" Woźniak Zmieniam klucz GPG :: http://rys.io/pl/147 GPG Key Transition :: http://rys.io/en/147
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