Whilst those with any passion for actual political anarchy (aka direct democracy) are drowned out with rather pathetic psyop attempts at steering the conversation, the space to inspire newcomers is white noise. "Oh My God! How could the CIA say such stoopid things?!" But folks need their emotional entertainment. The real questions and discussions we ought be having here - coordinating inspired groups, facilitating clarity on the fundamentals of political anarchism, these largely don't exist or are drowned out. Perhaps we don't have a current generation of "young and hungry world shakers" at the moment? Perhaps the young and hungry world shakers are too afraid to speak publicly about anything USA's "the man" will take exception to? The example set upon Jim Bell (how many years jail for simply highlighting a new concept in clear and non-inciting terms, namely Assassination Politics) presumably dampens certain .. conversations. "Prudence" becomes the collective self censorship. I'm still waiting for Rayzer to publicly backtrack on his defense of the DMV. I would never have thought that would even be contentious in a supposedly "anarchist" group, but hey...
On 08/31/2016 09:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Whilst those with any passion for actual political anarchy (aka direct democracy) are drowned out with rather pathetic psyop attempts at steering the conversation,
the space to inspire newcomers is white noise.
"Oh My God! How could the CIA say such stoopid things?!"
But folks need their emotional entertainment.
Dude, you mainly post boringly blatant propaganda. It's embarrassing.
The real questions and discussions we ought be having here - coordinating inspired groups, facilitating clarity on the fundamentals of political anarchism, these largely don't exist or are drowned out.
Right, mostly by your bullshit. And Juan's scatological blather. Maybe someone ought to resurrect fcpunks ;) <crap snipped>
2016-09-01 7:11 GMT+03:00 Mirimir <mirimir@riseup.net>:
Maybe someone ought to resurrect fcpunks ;)
You are the one, Mirmir? No problem. "resurrect"! Oh... i forgot ... the word "SOME-ONE".... someone else... To criticize - you don't have to be anything/to have anything in your brain. But to create something? Oh... "someone" will. Come on, dude. CREATE! I am sure you could never create even a 50% of what Zen has created for this list. just another barking dog. -- *भक्ति ПРЕДАННОСТЬ друг другу! भक्ति* *ϟ БОРЬБА СО ЗЛОМ друг во имя друга! **ϟ*
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:11:50PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
On 08/31/2016 09:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Whilst those with any passion for actual political anarchy (aka direct democracy) are drowned out with rather pathetic psyop attempts at steering the conversation,
the space to inspire newcomers is white noise.
"Oh My God! How could the CIA say such stoopid things?!"
But folks need their emotional entertainment.
Dude, you mainly post boringly blatant propaganda. It's embarrassing.
I'll accept some responsibility for that. My intention is always to raise "the public discourse", although my ability and methods fall well short, sadly.
The real questions and discussions we ought be having here - coordinating inspired groups, facilitating clarity on the fundamentals of political anarchism, these largely don't exist or are drowned out.
Right, mostly by your bullshit. And Juan's scatological blather.
Maybe someone ought to resurrect fcpunks ;)
<crap snipped>
Rather than blandly slathering my words in the email you replied to with your "crap" opinion, why not try to raise the discourse to your standard? You know, statements such as "that's blatantly not true" or "I disagree with that, and say a) ... b) ... etc" ? PLEASE, bring a "great" conversation! In my experience, that's one of the most challenging undertakings as a human, and my personal difficulty in achieving "useful/ relevant/ great..." conversations brings me to tears. But I don't have time for emotional bullshit, so I can do is keep trying to make a better start next time. Please, make a better start. In fact, any start. Or continuation. I support your constructive and heartfelt intention to raise the dialogue.
On 08/31/2016 09:40 PM, juan wrote (in more ways than simply typographically):
piece-of-shit
Look up the definition of "scatological" Juan... I know you can do it... Rr
On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 14:29:28 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:11:50PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
And Juan's scatological blather.
note to self - add piece-of-shit mirimir to the black list
On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 10:29:15 -0700 Razer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 08/31/2016 09:40 PM, juan wrote (in more ways than simply typographically):
piece-of-shit
Look up the definition of "scatological" Juan... I know you can do
I know you are stupid piece-pf-shit rayzer - you don't need to drive the point home every day =) I suggest you look up the word "recursive sarcasm" in your dictionary. 'Course, you won't find it and you wouldn't be able to understand the definition if found it, anyway.
it...
Rr
On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 14:29:28 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:11:50PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
And Juan's scatological blather.
note to self - add piece-of-shit mirimir to the black list
On 08/31/2016 09:40 PM, juan wrote (in more ways than simply typographically):
wow - another piece of fascist shit came back from the dead.
Look up the definition of "scatological" Juan... I know you can do it... Rr
On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 14:29:28 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:11:50PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
And Juan's scatological blather.
note to self - add piece-of-shit mirimir to the black list
On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 10:48:10 -0700 Razer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:
On 08/31/2016 09:40 PM, juan wrote (in more ways than simply typographically):
wow - another piece of fascist shit came back from the dead.
Look up the definition of "scatological" Juan...
As I mentioned in my previous message I already know you are a piece of shit rayzer. I know you can do
it...
Rr
On Thu, 1 Sep 2016 14:29:28 +1000 Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:11:50PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
And Juan's scatological blather.
note to self - add piece-of-shit mirimir to the black list
On 08/31/2016 10:29 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:11:50PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
On 08/31/2016 09:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Whilst those with any passion for actual political anarchy (aka direct democracy) are drowned out with rather pathetic psyop attempts at steering the conversation,
the space to inspire newcomers is white noise.
"Oh My God! How could the CIA say such stoopid things?!"
But folks need their emotional entertainment.
Dude, you mainly post boringly blatant propaganda. It's embarrassing.
I'll accept some responsibility for that.
My intention is always to raise "the public discourse", although my ability and methods fall well short, sadly.
Hey Zenaan, I apologize. I am pointedly apolitical, in the sense that it's a waste of time. I don't have much patience for debating anarchy. I just do whatever pleases me :)
The real questions and discussions we ought be having here - coordinating inspired groups, facilitating clarity on the fundamentals of political anarchism, these largely don't exist or are drowned out.
I'd like to see some substantive discussion of alternate anonymity systems. Maybe pointers to what's actually being implemented.
Right, mostly by your bullshit. And Juan's scatological blather.
Maybe someone ought to resurrect fcpunks ;)
<crap snipped>
Rather than blandly slathering my words in the email you replied to with your "crap" opinion, why not try to raise the discourse to your standard?
You know, statements such as "that's blatantly not true" or "I disagree with that, and say a) ... b) ... etc" ?
I don't have time for parsing one set of bullshit against another. It's all propaganda, from one player or another, and best ignored.
PLEASE, bring a "great" conversation! In my experience, that's one of the most challenging undertakings as a human, and my personal difficulty in achieving "useful/ relevant/ great..." conversations brings me to tears. But I don't have time for emotional bullshit, so I can do is keep trying to make a better start next time.
Please, make a better start. In fact, any start. Or continuation. I support your constructive and heartfelt intention to raise the dialogue.
OK. I'm playing with OnionCat. I've found that LizardFS can be tweaked to work reliably with OnionCat connections among nodes. I'm planning to test Freenet. Maybe even I2P. Wouldn't I2P overlay on Tor be a trip? Test onion: http://7vgt5knzxa2axuky.onion:8000/ Be patient, it can take quite a while to load.
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:07:59PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
On 08/31/2016 10:29 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:11:50PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
On 08/31/2016 09:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Whilst those with any passion for actual political anarchy (aka direct democracy) are drowned out with rather pathetic psyop attempts at steering the conversation,
the space to inspire newcomers is white noise.
"Oh My God! How could the CIA say such stoopid things?!"
But folks need their emotional entertainment.
Dude, you mainly post boringly blatant propaganda. It's embarrassing.
I'll accept some responsibility for that.
My intention is always to raise "the public discourse", although my ability and methods fall well short, sadly.
Hey Zenaan, I apologize. I am pointedly apolitical,
No probs. re "being apolitical", I hate politics. We are unfortunately stuck with the world as it currently is, so any attempt to improve things starts from -now- (and not from some other place we would prefer things to be).
in the sense that it's a waste of time.
Well this I disagree with (you might have guessed :) Promoting anarchism (if you can, even in a small way) is a political action.
I don't have much patience for debating anarchy. I just do whatever pleases me :)
Sure. If you don't want to debate anarchy that's fine, but perhaps, to the extent possible, identify those who are hard core anarchists, and perhaps try to at least avoid being oppositional to them (unless they actually let a non-anarchistic position slip in of course) - you see, "getting pissed off because the conversation got a bit flamey for personal liking, and expressing that" might be considered by some to be getting in the way :/ As said many times (and not only by me), I am quite guilty of letting my emotions overtake my conversations. Another thing to watch out for (perhaps, "do what you want", etc), is getting vehement about truly, and bloody obviously so, statist positions ("cars suck rocks! DMV rules!" comes to mind for no particular reason).
The real questions and discussions we ought be having here - coordinating inspired groups, facilitating clarity on the fundamentals of political anarchism, these largely don't exist or are drowned out.
I'd like to see some substantive discussion of alternate anonymity systems. Maybe pointers to what's actually being implemented.
Well between grarpamp, the Johns, Juan and a bunch others, the -existing- systems have been pretty well hashed out on this very list, in the last 18 months. Diversity is good. Pick a useful place to start, and get involved - if you're not a programmer, perhaps start testing and reviewing in various ways the ROTOR ALL CAPS GROUP releases, or I'm sure I2P will be greatful for some love. Seriously, there is NO shortage of possible -actions- which can move privacy technologies in useful directions. A personal favourite: meet in your area with "community wireless", municipal wireless, and Neighbour to Neighbour wired, groups, and fuel the debate. And, more importantly, roll out your own ethernet network between you and your immediate neighbours. Perhaps learn how to set up one of the libre-software running routers in a "mesh network" topology. We, as a group, HAVE to do better. There is ALWAYS room for inspiration, action, and new ideas. " If you don't own it, you don't control it. If you don't control it, it shall be used against you. " Anon. So, get the fuck cracking already :) The world of non technically literate humans, and the world of "privacy technologies", desperately needs -you-. As in you, Mirimir, personally :)
Right, mostly by your bullshit. And Juan's scatological blather.
Maybe someone ought to resurrect fcpunks ;)
<crap snipped>
Rather than blandly slathering my words in the email you replied to with your "crap" opinion, why not try to raise the discourse to your standard?
You know, statements such as "that's blatantly not true" or "I disagree with that, and say a) ... b) ... etc" ?
I don't have time for parsing one set of bullshit against another. It's all propaganda, from one player or another, and best ignored.
Yes, you're gettin the program :D Everything --is-- propaganda, and another way to say it is: Everything, but everything, is political. With you bro! Man the fuck up, get past your inner turmoil and emotions around "he said the naughty word to me, waah" and get cracking! The world, seriously, needs you!
PLEASE, bring a "great" conversation! In my experience, that's one of the most challenging undertakings as a human, and my personal difficulty in achieving "useful/ relevant/ great..." conversations brings me to tears. But I don't have time for emotional bullshit, so I can do is keep trying to make a better start next time.
Please, make a better start. In fact, any start. Or continuation. I support your constructive and heartfelt intention to raise the dialogue.
OK. I'm playing with OnionCat. I've found that LizardFS can be tweaked
"LizardFS: - I think someone may have mentioned this, but I don't recall a single detail. Evidently I need to read up.
to work reliably with OnionCat connections among nodes. I'm planning to test Freenet. Maybe even I2P. Wouldn't I2P overlay on Tor be a trip?
Absolutely! With you on anything that boosts I2P! We really, as in really really, need some competition for Tor. Competition at this point in time will be very healthy. And someone already started - it's called I2P :) :)
Test onion: http://7vgt5knzxa2axuky.onion:8000/
Be patient, it can take quite a while to load.
:) Any start is a great start. This particular start you make, might be better served in a thread that's a bit less .... hmmm, how shall i say this? ... "distracting"? :) Hack on bro, hack on!
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:11:50PM -0600, Mirimir wrote:
On 08/31/2016 09:59 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Whilst those with any passion for actual political anarchy (aka direct democracy) are drowned out with rather pathetic psyop attempts at steering the conversation,
the space to inspire newcomers is white noise.
"Oh My God! How could the CIA say such stoopid things?!"
But folks need their emotional entertainment.
Dude, you mainly post boringly blatant propaganda. It's embarrassing.
The Zen-Alex-FSB circle-jerk continues on and on :P John
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