I agree with you here. This is a mission, a partnership amongst all perticipants, even negotiated and discovered as such, to good ends and via good means, amongst similar, or amenable participants, with backbone, and with high principles. Yes toppost, shootme. On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 2:00 AM, Roger Dingledine <arma@mit.edu> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:49:46PM -0700, Mirimir wrote:

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Or you need adequate anonymity, and be willing to lose sunk cost.

I think trying to run exit relays with anonymity, and with plans to discard them as needed, is a poor plan long-term. In the struggle for what the Internet can become, we need to be public and clear about who we are and why privacy is important for everybody.

(Yes, that looks like a contradiction, but I claim it isn't: privacy is about giving people choices, and to win this conflict we need some people who will make the choice to step up and be public and build relationships.)

This "slash and burn agriculture" approach to running Tor relays, where you set up an exit relay, and if anybody gets angry you move on to another ISP, is really appealing since it's simple, but it assumes the Internet is infinite. If in fact we're destroying land without regard to sustainability, and we run out of land...

The Internet is smaller and more centralized than we think, and we need the people who run it to see us as a worthwhile positive and contributing community.

For previous versions of this thread, see https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-relays/2013-November/003240.html https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2015-May/037991.html

Thanks! --Roger

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