[OT] Five Simple Rules
Most of all know about my love for fun subjects, like Law, comics, music, open data and Astronomy. Below, a small excerpt of Neil deGrasse Tyson's last speech in the new "Cosmos" series. It is really beautiful and inspiring not only for researchers, but for everybody who wants to search for truth. "How did we, tiny creatures living on that speck of dust, ever manage to figure out how to send spacecraft outer among the stars of the milky way? Only a few centuries ago, a mere second of the cosmic time. We knew nothing of where and when we were. Oblivious to the rest of the cosmos, we inhabited a kind of prison, a tiny universe bounded by a nutshell. How did we escape from the prison? It was the work of generation of searchers, who took 5 simple rules to heart. Question authority. No idea is true just because someone says so, including me. Think for yourself. Question yourself. Don't believe anything just because you want to. Believing something doesn't make it so. Test ideas, by the evidence gained from observation and experiment. If a favorite idea fails a well designed test, it's wrong. Get over it. Follow the evidence, were ever it leads. If you have no evidence, reserve judgement. And perhaps even the most important rule of all, remember you could be wrong. Even the best scientist have been wrong about somethings. Newton, Einstein, and ever other great scientist in history. They all made mistakes. Of course they did, their were human."
On 06/27/2016 06:36 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
Most of all know about my love for fun subjects, like Law, comics, music, open data and Astronomy.
Below, a small excerpt of Neil deGrasse Tyson's last speech in the new "Cosmos" series. It is really beautiful and inspiring not only for researchers, but for everybody who wants to search for truth.
"How did we, tiny creatures living on that speck of dust, ever manage to figure out how to send spacecraft outer among the stars of the milky way? Only a few centuries ago, a mere second of the cosmic time. We knew nothing of where and when we were. Oblivious to the rest of the cosmos, we inhabited a kind of prison, a tiny universe bounded by a nutshell.
How did we escape from the prison? It was the work of generation of searchers, who took 5 simple rules to heart.
Question authority. No idea is true just because someone says so, including me. Think for yourself.
Also, think about why they're saying that. What's the game?
Question yourself. Don't believe anything just because you want to. Believing something doesn't make it so.
I've wasted time on pet ideas, for sure :(
Test ideas, by the evidence gained from observation and experiment. If a favorite idea fails a well designed test, it's wrong. Get over it.
Yes. And if something can't be tested, forget about it. That includes theories with so many free variables that they can fit any result.
Follow the evidence, were ever it leads. If you have no evidence, reserve judgement.
That's how we get breakthroughs.
And perhaps even the most important rule of all, remember you could be wrong. Even the best scientist have been wrong about somethings. Newton, Einstein, and ever other great scientist in history. They all made mistakes. Of course they did, their were human."
There is no truth. You can only know what's probably not true.
I am killing the English in all my messages, haha!! Sorry for all my stupid Grammar errors! ;) On Jun 27, 2016 11:34 PM, "Mirimir" <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
How did we escape from the prison? It was the work of generation of
searchers, who took 5 simple rules to heart.
Question authority. No idea is true just because someone says so,
including me. Think for yourself.
Also, think about why they're saying that. What's the game?
Question yourself. Don't believe anything just because you want to. Believing something doesn't make it so.
I've wasted time on pet ideas, for sure :(
Test ideas, by the evidence gained from observation and experiment. If a favorite idea fails a well designed test, it's wrong. Get over it.
Yes. And if something can't be tested, forget about it. That includes
Me too. Probably much more than you, my dear Mirimir. To find the truth, you must believe. I always wanted to believe. I still believe in a better world for everybody, but it is becoming pretty hard to discover what means a "better world" and "everybody", uh! :-/ theories with so many free variables that they can fit any result. Being a hard headed person makes me waste a lot of time following variables because Law is not an Exact Science and persons are not exact and precise at all, haha!! ;)
Follow the evidence, were ever it leads. If you have no evidence, reserve judgement.
That's how we get breakthroughs.
And perhaps even the most important rule of all, remember you could be wrong. Even the best scientist have been wrong about somethings. Newton, Einstein, and ever other great scientist in history. They all made mistakes. Of course they did, they were human."
There is no truth. You can only know what's probably not true.
No truth. It hurts. And it is probably true. :(
On 06/27/2016 11:06 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
There is no truth. You can only know what's probably not true.
No truth. It hurts. And it is probably true. :(
What is truth? Pilate asked this question to underline the fact that in his house, his words were true simply because he said them. That's a fringe benefit of working under authority granted by a living God, i.e. the Roman Emperor. Truth in the common, everyday sense means honest reporting. "Telling the truth" is no guarantee of factual accuracy per evidence unknown to the speaker, or reasoning not used by the speaker, but a best effort by all involved leads to useful results. An engineer might say that truth is whatever concepts and data provide maximum practical utility. Propagandists take a very utilitarian approach since manufacturing truth is their stock in trade. Professionals in that field have no delusion that truth cam exist independently of the interests it serves. In formal games including maths, truth is whatever complies with the rules of the game. Among my favorite "truths" is the family of logical statements that are both true (well formed) and self contradictory, i.e. Goedel's incompleteness theorem. These formally provable truths pop the bubble of "objectivity," leaving us in a world where, at best, truth is context-dependent and strictly local. Another way to look at truth is in the context of "authenticity." Is a given person "true to" his or herself? Conscious of the role of the individual as an active participant in creating truth? This take on truth puts it in the same bucket as freedom and beauty; the stuff of art, not science. Recommended reading on truth and related topics: Quantum Psychology by Robert Anton Wilson. Dropbox link to PDF courtesy of the Erisian Liberation Front. http://db.tt/VGjx8M02
On Jun 28, 2016 2:22 AM, "Steve Kinney" <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
On 06/27/2016 11:06 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
There is no truth. You can only know what's probably not true.
No truth. It hurts. And it is probably true. :(
What is truth?
Pretty relative, my dear. I only know my own truth and I never consider it as absolute. It can change with lots of variables, like the present moment. Having no absolute truth, in the end, is the same than no truth. Uh, being sincere, at this point, I don't know if the truth really exists... :P
Recommended reading on truth and related topics: Quantum Psychology by Robert Anton Wilson. Dropbox link to PDF courtesy of the Erisian Liberation Front.
Oh, loved very much the gift! Thank you a lot, Steve! <3 Now I am interested in other books of the same author. He is pretty interesting, ow! Thank you for all the references! #love *-*
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/28/2016 01:51 AM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
Recommended reading on truth and related topics: Quantum Psychology by Robert Anton Wilson. Dropbox link to PDF courtesy of the Erisian Liberation Front.
Oh, loved very much the gift! Thank you a lot, Steve! <3
Now I am interested in other books of the same author. He is pretty interesting, ow! Thank you for all the references! #love *-*
It's entirely my pleasure. Many people I know credit Prometheus Rising, also by Wilson, for saving their so-called "sanity." Wilson presents Timothy Leary's neurosomatic model of human development, motivation and behavior in practical, relevant layman's terms. This model is "true" in the sense that I have seen it produce practical results. http://www.principiadiscordia.com/downloads/04%20Prometheus%20Rising.pdf This revered Holy Book by Wislon, Bob Shea and other contributors is a lot of fun; may puzzling Internet in-jokes will make sense after reading. It's amazing what can happen when smart people take LSD. http://db.tt/UYAtkhsA :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXctWhAAoJEECU6c5Xzmuq/n4H/1MnfyzEYxLh9utPvK1RvlpF fBnmYi/7jI+JlKeWpbX+yPbMrEvtW+u6hWEMhVqXXNW68Fdi4lWtcIN8WBIdJC/M 2RW8+/EkPf7zjNHDUt56YZZ6rB1Hx/eiz2wAwTVpA3BgPXCo/oR388ZpvlgF3Lcy 19gz8t0/fknrRWGTQNYgAhNPkLgUvTCK9jEO4kLYl2nktEytcCWWWrXLO2WJFr86 SEiMieTJ8GMbeyTaj3mN5mENXuKU10U1CZdVS5VP4RB+tKgR5jmSYl7zdYQ304Zj 8U0QKka+zGeieQHKKtqwDmCxt/DP/EwT4Py9uUfZmPNFrBQFHK2XtOysFCzHoZI= =418F -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Jun 28, 2016 4:57 PM, "Steve Kinney" <admin@pilobilus.net> wrote:
Many people I know credit Prometheus Rising, also by Wilson, for saving
their so-called "sanity." Oh, unhappily I have no much sanity to be saved... meh! :( But I swear I will read it with care and attention. I absolutely do love books! They make me purr, rom rom... <3 ( 'rom rom' is a Brazilian onomatopoeia for 'purring' and, for me, it sounds pretty cute when talking about books because 'hon' - 'book' in Japanese - sounds like 'rom', hihi... So I am happy, purring and asking for more books at same time, haha!! 'rom rom' feelings, meow! <3 )
This revered Holy Book by Wislon, Bob Shea and other contributors is a lot of fun; may puzzling Internet in-jokes will make sense after reading. It's amazing what can happen when smart people take LSD.
Oh, I really love this book, haha!! Already read "Principia Discordia" some years ago and it saved my life, haha!! I was pretty stressed and almost killing a boss when read it. The book made me laugh a lot and saved two lifes, my <world's worst bad word> boss and mine, hihi... ;) I didn't learn the world's worst bad word yet, but used to call him 'boss-ta'. 'Bosta' is a Brazilian bad word, which means 'sh¡t', but it is a bit less offensive... :P It's a lovely coincidence, Steve. Today I was seriously considering to kill one of my stalkers, but it would be pretty hard to hide his body and killing a person wouldn't be a vegan thing, uff... :-/ Well, I never tried LSD. I don't have inclination for drugs, but I know a lot of different users, including several Apple products addicteds and hardcore Microsoft users. I sincerely try to respect and understand all of them, but I prefer ice cream. :) One of my craziest friends invited me to travel with him to know an indigenous tribe and use an hallucinogen made with frogs' poison. He already tried it three times, really loved it and swears it will heal my broken heart. So I told him the cheekiest lie of my life to avoid hurting his feelings... "Oh, Dani, poison extracted from frogs? Sorry, it is not vegan!" :P :P :P ( I am not vegan anymore, just veggie, but he doesn't need to know it or will invite me to taste one of his hallucinogen teas, uh! Luckly, he thinks vegans are a kind of 'radical veggie nazis', who don't taste anything without "free animal cruelty" labels. It is not true, but it is pretty convenient for me! "Sorry, Dani, your hemp is a plant, but it has no labels. Is it organic?" Hahaha!! ) Tender kisses, warm hugs and lots of 'rom rom' from Brazil, my dear! :* Cecilia
Fool PS: - Uh, thinking a bit better, "free animal cruelty" and "animal cruelty free" are *not* the same thing and I made a pretty cruel mistake, absolutely not vegan... Poor animals! :-/
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Fool PS: - Uh, thinking a bit better, "free animal cruelty" and "animal cruelty free" are *not* the same thing and I made a pretty cruel mistake, absolutely not vegan... Poor animals! :-/
Speaking of thinking, I don't know what I was thinking when I failed to post this packet of political propaganda, pertaining to proper procedures for prudent populist power players: http://pilobilus.net/strategic_conflict_docs_intro.html The archive with the docs: Strategic_Nonviolent_Conflict.zip MD5: 40a9370ea4b08eebabcd0c4af5f48884 SHA256: 30782d439a0b32e88a26f9078ca01dcdb536fcf67de19a083ed21a93c135c680 :o) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJXdb9wAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqfbQIALqU8WvOmf598tzpUW0ZO1ej 7gPwXV8J6lozL+a5YhYjwxCLtkQo3lCXP1yuATbLZZBaloAQ7zq6ZdDdDaqiYyYl xS+H3ctBcLuoTNUQQtcPaVil2qc4kDw9SuOg+AdHTziRdEwElz+HThwqJOrvwb3T 5IA4lzkNkAoK1hJ65j3bIBjOHW7OvkwTUlOouGj7JgDqYizuHmcGEULm3jt+akZg Sk4PzVG7yBa5kofhNRux78Ook4JMl4G0bftperipwEtoO1jRQr15vtn5yMWfnQT9 b8ZyDplqQxt9dprMGavghkoBcgygyNNk2GnFnSgVp5b4ELIPHP81bTUCgN6eFM4= =n7FE -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 06/27/2016 11:09 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 06/27/2016 11:06 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
[Mirimir wrote]
There is no truth. You can only know what's probably not true.
No truth. It hurts. And it is probably true. :(
What is truth?
Well, Cecilia posted about science, and I was also talking about the concept of truth in science. See http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/popper/ <SNIP>
The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, my dear Mirimir. Thank you, sweetie! :* Small hours soundtrack: Gershwin Brothers, The Beach Boys and Henry Mancini. My old grumpy lady selection while reading lots of books and links at same time, hihi... ;) On Jun 28, 2016 4:10 AM, "Mirimir" <mirimir@riseup.net> wrote:
On 06/27/2016 11:09 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
On 06/27/2016 11:06 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
[Mirimir wrote]
There is no truth. You can only know what's probably not true.
No truth. It hurts. And it is probably true. :(
What is truth?
Well, Cecilia posted about science, and I was also talking about the concept of truth in science.
See http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/popper/
<SNIP>
Hi Cecilia, first of all: thanks for posting this, many people seem to have forgotten these things lately. On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 12:06:19AM -0300, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
Me too. Probably much more than you, my dear Mirimir. To find the truth, you must believe. I always wanted to believe. I still believe in a better world for everybody, but it is becoming pretty hard to discover what means a "better world" and "everybody", uh! :-/
There's no need to believe, observing is sufficient. From our vantage point it may seem everything is getting worse. We kill each other, we exterminate species, we destroy the environment, intolerance, corruption and lies, lies and much more lies. But the thing is: it's not the reality, it's just what we perceive it to be. Actually it's the other way around: things are getting better and better. Yes, sometimes it's two steps forward and one backward. However, look at the details. How many pople are being killed during wars these days? Of course, still too many, but not millions as in past times. More and more people pay attention to the environment. Who did that 100 years ago? Nobody. Who did protest against forest clearance in those times? Nobody. Against discrimination? A handfull. The list is endless. The difference to past times is this: 100 years ago children got missed all times, every day. The general public didn't care much, or even notice. Today, if a child gets lost, all the media - sometimes even international ones - report about it, every day 24/7, for weeks. This is the cause of the perception "oh my god all this criminality!" while in reality there's LESS criminality than ever before. You might counter: but what about unreported missing black children? What about the desastrous violence in Venezuela and Mexico? What about all those global warming deniers? What about the rising fascisim in the EU? What about idiots like Trump or Farage? Yes, these things must be fixed. But if you "zoom out" a little and look on the big picture, you'll realize that we as a species are developing, growing and indeed getting better. Well, at least this is as I see it. I just hate it that almost every one laments all day "we're going to die, the past was so much better" and such crab. Try to make a living in 1850. Or 1650. Or 350. Or 14000 b.c. Today is the best times of all. Todays poorest people are rich compared to poor people a couple of centuries ago. So, I don't need to believe, I know it's getting better. Even if local situations might be worsen here and there, this doen't matter that much for the species as a whole. best, Tom
On Jun 28, 2016 5:26 AM, "Tom" <tom@vondein.org> wrote:
Today is the best times of all. Todays poorest people are rich compared
to poor people a couple of centuries ago.
So, I don't need to believe, I know it's getting better. Even if local
situations might be worsen here and there, this doen't matter that much for the species as a whole. Hi Tom! :) Thank you for all your considerations about several perceptions of reality, beliefs and truth. There is an old Brazilian joke that says the world is really much better now. In Abel and Cain times, the murder rates were 50% of the population, hihi... ;) Hugs, take care! Sorry for the horrible joke! :* Cecilia PS: - Ugh, this gmail account is trolling me! Sorry for strange duplicated messages! O.o
On Jun 28, 2016 5:26 AM, "Tom" <tom@vondein.org> wrote:
Today is the best times of all. Todays poorest people are rich compared
to poor people a couple of centuries ago.
So, I don't need to believe, I know it's getting better. Even if local
situations might be worsen here and there, this doen't matter that much for the species as a whole. Hi, Tom! A friend of mine really appreciated this book a lot: http://www.diamandis.com/abundance I think you can like it too. Good reading! :-)
On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:04:13 -0300 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 28, 2016 5:26 AM, "Tom" <tom@vondein.org> wrote:
Today is the best times of all. Todays poorest people are rich compared
to poor people a couple of centuries ago.
So, I don't need to believe, I know it's getting better. Even if local
situations might be worsen here and there, this doen't matter that much for the species as a whole.
Hi, Tom! A friend of mine really appreciated this book a lot:
http://www.diamandis.com/abundance
I think you can like it too. Good reading! :-)
american fascist propaganda endorsed by clinton, wsj, the 'economist' and a bunch of other high ranking pieces of shit. Congrats Cecilia. "Today is the best times of all" Yep. Now that the americunt global police state is almost fully functional. Finally the democrats can drone the enemies of humanity with the push of a button. We all should praise american science.
On Jul 3, 2016 8:18 PM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
american fascist propaganda endorsed by clinton, wsj, the
'economist' and a bunch of other high ranking pieces of shit.
Congrats Cecilia.
"Today is the best times of all"
Yep. Now that the americunt global police state is almost fully
functional. Finally the democrats can drone the enemies of humanity with the push of a button. We all should praise american science. My dear Juan, Please, consider seriously to have some sex or masturbation or, at least, eat carbohydrates like a crazy. You do need serotonin and endorphins with urgence!!! :P God, my mood is horrible, but you are becoming a 'mal amado', very bitter and much grumpier than me! :P Please, search for 'mal amado' and 'mimimi'. It's Brazilian slang and I don't know how to translate these expressions, but they mean you need some love urgently and that you don't stop complaining about everything! :((( I love science. All sciences, not just "American science". And I love books much more than you can imagine. Much more, I swear.
On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 20:46:26 -0300 Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jul 3, 2016 8:18 PM, "juan" <juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
american fascist propaganda endorsed by clinton, wsj, the
'economist' and a bunch of other high ranking pieces of shit.
Congrats Cecilia.
"Today is the best times of all"
Yep. Now that the americunt global police state is almost fully
functional. Finally the democrats can drone the enemies of humanity with the push of a button. We all should praise american science.
My dear Juan,
Please, consider seriously to have some sex or masturbation or, at least, eat carbohydrates like a crazy. You do need serotonin and endorphins with urgence!!! :P
OK Cecilia. You've finally proven that you are fucking retard. A fucking retard who whether as unpaid hobby, or not, parrots establishment propaganda. Get a fucking clue. Or stop playing dumb.
God, my mood is horrible, but you are becoming a 'mal amado', very bitter and much grumpier than me! :P
Please, search for 'mal amado' and 'mimimi'. It's Brazilian slang and I don't know how to translate these expressions, but they mean you need some love urgently and that you don't stop complaining about everything! :(((
I love science. All sciences, not just "American science". And I love books much more than you can imagine. Much more, I swear.
On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 10:13:44 +0200 Tom <tom@vondein.org> wrote:
There's no need to believe, observing is sufficient. From our vantage point it may seem everything is getting worse. We kill each other, we exterminate species, we destroy the environment, intolerance, corruption and lies, lies and much more lies.
But the thing is: it's not the reality,
OK. Now we have a bunch of very cheap relativists who are of course their own parody.... it's just what we perceive it
to be. Actually it's the other way around: things are getting better and better. Yes, sometimes it's two steps forward and one backward.
.... Sorry dude. Your pro-establishment bullshit is not 'true' because there's no such thing as 'truth'.
You might counter: but what about unreported missing black children? What about the desastrous violence in Venezuela and Mexico? What about all those global warming deniers? What about the rising fascisim in the EU?
What about motherfucking americans and their global police state eh?
What about idiots like Trump or Farage?
Yes. Terrible. They are not lefty, 'progressive' americunt fascists! That's really horrible.
Yes, these things must be fixed. But if you "zoom out" a little and look on the big picture, you'll realize that we as a species are developing, growing and indeed getting better.
Well, at least this is as I see it. I just hate it that almost every one laments all day "we're going to die, the past was so much better" and such crab. Try to make a living in 1850. Or 1650. Or 350. Or 14000 b.c. Today is the best times of all. Todays poorest people are rich compared to poor people a couple of centuries ago.
So, I don't need to believe, I know it's getting better. Even if local situations might be worsen here and there, this doen't matter that much for the species as a whole.
best, Tom
On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 01:44:11PM -0300, juan wrote:
On Tue, 28 Jun 2016 10:13:44 +0200 Tom <tom@vondein.org> wrote:
What about idiots like Trump or Farage?
Yes. Terrible. They are not lefty, 'progressive' americunt fascists! That's really horrible.
In a world crying out for any politician worthy of the title, Nigel Farage steps up to the plate: Nigel Farage Makes His First Speech to EU Parliament Since Brexit Vote Alex Christoforou http://theduran.com/nigel-farage-makes-first-speech-eu-parliament-since-brex... "You, as a political project are in denial" - Nigel Farage to the entire EU parliament. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlN9o3g-yuA
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